It was announced by today's live concert.

>>15155431
>2018 New TV Animation.
With or without Kawameme?

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>>15155431
>new TV show but filled with larger numbers or groups of idol singers

What happened to Kawamori's other project?

NO Kawamori involvement outside mecha design and Fight choreography please

>>15155431
Let's hope it goes better than Delta, but 2018? Isn't it a bit too soon? Was Riverforest's other project actually Macross too?

>more idol kino coming

oh

MAN

any news on a hasegawa vf-31?

I can't wait for more trash like Delta.

What is Macross 35 anniversary about?
a game like Macross 30?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-29/macross-gets-new-tv-project-in-2018-35th-anniversary-project/.111595

>>15155481
>What happened to Kawamori's other project?
I like to believe he was so embarrassed by Delta, that is hoping this new series can wiped Delta from people's memories. It would be the "old failure" now instead of the "most recent screw up".

>>15155670
Why everyone is blaming Kawamori when he isn't at fault? Are you all retarded?

>>15155481
http://www.project-the-next.com/message.html

>>15155715
>Why everyone is blaming Kawamori when he isn't at fault? Are you all retarded?
He put his name on it. Yes, he compromised, but the buck stops with him.

Remember that the original Macross TV series was well known for telling the story AFTER the war ended. That it was pressure from above that cause the show to be extended. But Macross made something of it, turned executive pressure into something watchable.
The one who is the face of the franchise, gets the blame.

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>>15155431
Fuck, they're almost putting these out at Sentai/Kamen Rider rate, even Sunrise knows this is a stupid thing to do.

>>15155734
the writer get the blame for Delta. He wasn't the writer.
He gave some idea and the sponsors refused some like the fly academy thing.

>>15155737
Are you joking? Sunrise projection line churns out a flagship Gundam show every other year.

The only reason this seems soon is because they're getting back on the anniversary schedule after Delta was pushed up so there wouldn't be such a large gap between the Frontier movies and the 35th

>>15155737
frontier was 10 yo ago.

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>>15155747
>frontier was 10 yo ago.

I'm so old

>>15155737

> Las show before Delta was 8 years ago
> next show will be two years
> Macross has had quick releases in production before with both with SDF/DYRL and 7/Plus
> is explicitly a ln anniversary thing to explain timing
> Sunrise puts out Gundak yearly now, sometimes multiple iterations in a single year

I hope your post was meant in a sarcastic manner or something, but I doubt it.

>>15155744
>>15155758
True, it's usually either a TV or web show in their case. I'll just stop then.

Still though, if Kawamori's involved again, he might be busy though.

>>15155762
I don't think Kawamori is going to be involved in the new macross, maybe just for a minor stuff because he has that new anime project funded by china and it's 26 episodes long.

>>15155779
So, if it's bungled up, nobody will have a scapegoat to blame. This better not be another Aquarion Evol case.

>>15155762

Kawamori has only really been chief director for 7, Frontier and Delta by my understanding, with most directorial duties being handled by a regular director. He only directly took a role in Zero I think, as both director and writer. I imagine he'll have a minimal role in whatever the next TV animation is too and that the cause for it's success or failure will be more down to whoever the regular director and writer for it are.

>>15155835
>He only directly took a role in Zero I think, as both director and writer.
and Macross movies like Frontier.

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You thought the franchise would never come back but you were WRONG WROOOONG

But seriously, isn't this like the quickest time between series? I mean I guess it would be weird for them to miss the 35th anniversary so it makes sense but still. I'm so used to Macross TV shows being a "one every decade" sort of thing

Side note, did you guys know that Walkure still sells out concerts?

I thought people would have forgotten about them after the "average" selling that Delta did but apparently it is more like a Symphogear effect than Frontier in which the music popularity completely surpassed the series

>>15155850
i thought they were going to do a Delta movie.

>35th Anniversary show.
Are you ready for VF-35? Will Kawamori return to a simpler Valkyrie/Messiah design again, or something unique like the Draken?

>>15155860
speaking of symphogear, wasn't Satelight going to do 2 new season?

>>15155867
They did confirm season 4 coming out this year a few weeks ago

>>15155842

Oh, so he did. My apologies. Still, I don't see him having much involvement beyond planning and oversight in the new TV animation. He's more likely to be involved in whatever movie or OVA they make this year for the anniversary. I'm guessing it'll have something to do with Lady M and be a kind of reunion thing for the casts of the various productions.

>>15155850

Between TV animations yes. SDF, 7 and Frontier were all more than a decade apart if memory serves ('83, '94 and' 07 I think), but Macross has quickly followed productions before at least.

>>15155862
I thought so too but it was unlikely considering he's doing that THE NEXT project this year

>>15155860

Wasn't Sheryl's singer popular for years afterward? Fire Bomber became a big thing because of 7 too if I recall.

>>15155431
>Delta movie never
Fuck you, Kawamori. I want more songs.

>>15155912

Fire Bomber were releasing albums for more than a decade after 7 despite those songs not being attached to any production so Walkure may do the same. Frankly, given Delta's writing, I'd prefer they do that.

>>15155912
Delta will be the only Macross TV series that doesn't get a movie.

>>15155895
Yeah but 7 actually got something after the series was done too

A lot of somethings at that. An OVA series and the Encore episodes

>>15155895
>Wasn't Sheryl's singer popular for years afterward?
I think she worked with Kanno on other stuff at least

>>15155950

Fire Bomber were still releasing albums in 2009. An album that contained almost all new tracks. Which is more than a decade after their final 7 production.

>>15156018
>Fire Bomber were still releasing albums in 2009
It was a collaboration with Frontier.
From what i know, Basara's singer was part of another group. The one who did the One punch man opening, Jam Project.

>>15155947
they also announced a film project for the 35th. that's probably Delta

>>15156018

that album was not even remotely as good as the stuff for 7 and dynamite

>>15156042
>they also announced a film project for the 35th.
What? Source?

>>15156024

Yoshiki Fukuyama has always been the lead singer of Fire Bomber. He never voiced Basara, but he is as always Basara's singer. And while I haven't listened to Re:Fire I don't see anything on a quick look about it being a collaborative album. Nor does it make sense since FB7 wasn't out for 3 years after that, and was the only real mix of the two. Frontier and it's movies used Fire Bomber songs, but FB7 was the only time the two were really commingled.

>>15156042

If they didn't announce that the film coming out this year was a Delta movie at a Delta concert it's probably not going to be one.

>no Delta movie(s)
>Delta will never be redeemed

>>15156084
The 35th anniversary project for this year is a movie.

>>15156084
https://twitter.com/GwynCampbell/status/825654060594327552

>>15156104

That's not a source anon, just a reiteration.

>>15156094

I just hope that the new series doesn't make the same godawful mistakes that Delta did.

Or... what if its just a sequel series to Delta? Turning Delta as we know it into 'part one' and then continuing the story? Delta kind of didn't wrap up fucking anything, and a lot of character arcs are still basically unresolved.

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>>15156110
>>15156107
It's from the Walkure concert and i'm not in japan. The source is legit

Oh boy how hard will he wank windememe this time?

>>15156115

All that seems to be announced is a 35th anniversary TV animation, not a film this year. Even if there is one, if they didn't announce it as a Walkure featured film at a Walkure concert despite there being less than 12 months till release it's probably not going to be a Delta movie.

>>15156127
the TV animation is for 2018 according to the same source: https://twitter.com/GwynCampbell/status/825653128447930368

>>15156115
Oh good, the Siegfriend is in the logo. I thought they'd pretend it didn't exist

>>15156131

2018 is the 35th anniversary of SDF anon. Just like Frontier was the 25th anniversary show in 2008.

>>15155734

And Kawamori wasn't the head honcho of it all back then. He answered to Ishiguro.

>>15156135

Is it a VF-31? Looks like VF-1 in the center, VF-25 to the right and VF-19 to the left to me.

>>15156147
VF-1 in the middle, 25 on the right, 31 on the left. The 19 is between the 1 and 25, and I assume the bigger one top of the pink strip is the VF-0.

>>15156151

What visual difference is there in a profile of the VF-19 and VF-31 Siegfried to distinguish them? They have very similar profiles as far as I can see.

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>>15156170
The 31 has bigger wings and canards, and the tailfins are more spread out and come out of the back.

>>15156191
With come out I meant stick out. Wrong verb.

>>15156147
The point is there are 6 planes in the logo. Two of which have forward swept wings so at least one of them is the 31

Delta was fine, just cut short.

I WANT MY DELTA MOVIE

>>15156191

Thanks.

>>15156202

True, though now I wonder what the final one between the red and pink stripes is. I'd imagine a VF-17 or VF-171 is the most appropriate just given length of service and screen time, but a VF-4, VF-11 or VF-29 seem possible too. It's too small to really make out any details though.

>>15156236
>just cut short

You mean going for too long, right?

The first cour was great.
Then the second one hit and it was rubbish finished off with the most shamelessly copied ending of all time.

>>15156236
>just cut short.
That's the opposite of what happened

>>15156114
It says more Walkure for new Macross project
Walkure isn't disbanding yet
Take a guess

So they are straight up abandoning Delta then?

I mean I doubt a movie could salvage it but abandoning it ain't right.

>>15156345
>So they are straight up abandoning Delta then?
>I mean I doubt a movie could salvage it but abandoning it ain't right
They can easily explain the Delta TV series as some badly produced Windermere propaganda. The Windermere war and threat of mind control would still happen and mentioned, but the entire Delta squad can be explained as additions to make non-Windemerians look incompetent.

>>15156307

> It say

What says? The only things linked so far in thread say there'll be a 2018 TV anime do the 35th anniversary and nothing more.

>>15156397
https://twitter.com/ryuryuun/status/825653772311355395

1) BD/DVD of the Walkure concert soon to be released
2) Films project for the 35th anniversary (2017)
3) New Macross TV series for 2018

>>15156414
>3) New Macross TV series for 2018
And really, it is telling that none of the announcements had "Delta" mentioned in it. I think the marketing guys know they have to start fresh on this one.

>>15156414

That doesn't say more Walkure for the 2017 project, just home media releases of their concert.

>>15156414

> Frontier was the 25th anniversary released in 2008
> The 35th anniversary will release in 2017

They need to make their mind up whether they're going of the start of SDF in 1982 or when it finished in 1983.

>>15156439
Actually, the first episode of Frontier came out in December 2007, several months before the series aired in 2008.. It was called the Deculture edition and was intentionally aired that early so it would still be in 2007 and count as part of the 25th anniversary. It's mostly identical to the TV broadcast of episode one, there might be a few changed scenes.

>>15156258
>True, though now I wonder what the final one between the red and pink stripes is. I'd imagine a VF-17 or VF-171 is the most appropriate just given length of service and screen time, but a VF-4, VF-11 or VF-29 seem possible too. It's too small to really make out any details though.
The planes belong to the main character of every Macross show, so it must be the Fire Valkyrie.

>>15156760

I'd think it was the other way around and smallest one is the YF-19 with the slighter bigger one being the Fire Custom just based on 7being a TV animation while Plus is a much shorter movie/OVA.

>>15156345
>So they are straight up abandoning Delta then?
How does this indicate they're abandoning it?

>>15156800
>How does this indicate they're abandoning it?
Because there is no reason to omit mentioning the new TV or anniversary animation as Delta-related. They were in the Delta concert. To not say that it is more Delta, is admitting that the new stuff wouldn't be Delta.

1) Will the film project for the 35th anniversary be a retelling of the SDF story with modern animations like what Sunrise did to the origin series?

2) I hope that the next TV series will be featuring a female character as the series' main protagonist. It will definitely be a good change of pace that way.

>>15156879
>2) I hope that the next TV series will be featuring a female character as the series' main protagonist. It will definitely be a good change of pace that way.
At this point I have zero expectations. I just want a Macross TV show that I don't feel is a waste of my internet bandwidth.

>>15156879
>Satelight
>modern animations
Don't even dream about it.

>>15156887
>At this point I have zero expectations. I just want a Macross TV show that I don't feel is a waste of my internet bandwidth.

Isn't there already a manga that features a main heroine in the story? What I wanted is a more mature story rather than having shojou/ idolish themes. This is all the reason why I prefer Frontier over Delta although frontier do have it's flaws

>>15156879
>1) Will the film project for the 35th anniversary be a retelling of the SDF story with modern animations like what Sunrise did to the origin series?
DYRL already did that, and the animation is already better than what you find in movies or OVAs nowadays. Besides, isn't The First still on-going?

>>15156879
see >>15147811

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>>15156903
they can do good CG when they want to.

>>15156911
DYRL is great, but I would still love for the series to get a fairly faithful remake where they animate it all consistently and skip the shitty parts (Kaifun).

Plus it would give them a chance to make sequels to it that have an actual space opera story instead of just selling the latest idol harem shit.

>>15156345
>So they are straight up abandoning Delta then?I mean I doubt a movie could salvage it but abandoning it ain't right.

Abandoning Delta is the right decision. You cannot redeem a turd no matter how hard you try. At least Satelight still has a little bit of integrity left. So just move on and forget Delta.

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>>15155431
Please no...

>>15157017
Where the heck did Satelight get all the money to actually finance for the next two projects though? I thought Delta did not do well with its sales?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfQUjNay2rE
why is this song look so awkward to me?

>>15157084
>Where the heck did Satelight get all the money to actually finance for the next two projects though? I thought Delta did not do well with its sales?
Macross is a franchise that had been around for decades, they are not going to shut it down over Delta. If that was the case Gundam would have ceased to exist already.

>>15156920
See what? Some retard pretending that he is japanese?
I completely agree that female lead won't work in franchises like Gundam due to its traditions and historically established fanbase. And I'm pretty sure music and idols would not be accepted by Gundam fans too. But at the same time idols do work in Macross, it does not pander to hardcore mechafags only. It even already had "shoujo" mfm triangle in Plus. Female protagonist doesn't sound like something impossible.
Also even Sunrise was not afraid to make Cross Ange with female lead. Granted it wasn't too successful, but majority of hate it got was from overall quality, it still sold more than your average non-gundam mecha nowadays.

>>15157084
>I thought Delta did not do well with its sales
If you listen to /m/ you may think that IBO is making Bandai go bankrupt.

>>15155431
I want them to tackle Jazz.

Did any actual Japanese industry insiders ever comment on Macross Delta?

>>15155431
Let it die.

Implying one of the upcoming projects will be either about the voyage or disappearance of SDF-02 Megaroad 01.

>>15157139
Did actual Japanese industry insiders ever comment about any anime ever?

>>15157084
>I thought Delta did not do well with its sales?
You should probably look up how Delta actually did financially and then compare it to the rest of all the anime that aired in 2016

I mean, according to /m/ anything that isn't like in the 20 thousands is a bomb

>>15157146
Yeah, on Twitter. You get directors saying they like a character from a manga or anime, or that they enjoy the music, or something.

Though I'm not sure if it's like in the US where the Twitter is just a marketing account run by an ad agency or the studio/production company's marketing division, or if they just tell them to comment on currently-airing anime produced by the same company.

>>15157159
>anything that isn't like in the 20 thousands is a bomb
Anything under 12k is not a success, and if it has the huge budget that Delta had, which was equal to Frontier's entire budget, including the movies, it has to sell at least 20k to be profitable in BDs. That said, more money is made on merch, so they might be making it up with songs and models.

>>15157211
>Anything under 12k is not a success
You can't be serious

>>15157173
Oh, you mean that. I thought you were talking about someone revealing some secret insider information about production with drama and shit.


>>15157211
I'm not sure if it's irony or you're serious.

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>>15155431
Hopefully the Aquarion Logos director handles this new show while Kawamori works on his "THE NEXT" anime.

>>15157221
If you're looking at it from a typical production viewpoint, and not super low-budget series or series with innately low-expectations like Hayate no Gotoku or Argevollen, 12k is a failure.

>>15157224
>I thought you were talking about someone revealing some secret insider information about production with drama and shit.
Gundam AGE did it. Everyone involved blamed the Level-5 guy for writing it like he writes video games. Which, incidentally, explains why 90% of Japanese video games have terrible, terrible stories with plot holes and deus ex machinas.

>>15157232
"THE NEXT" anime is 2017/2018 and also made by Satelight. Unless the new macross is being made by another studio, it's going to be later 2018 by Satelight.

>>15157243
Isn't being made by*

>>15157239
He's written games with incredible stories though. Professor Layton is a masterpiece.

>>15157243
Say, this reminds me, does Studio Nue remotely exist anymore?

>>15157232
I'd be fine with this, after all these years he learned what humor is.

>>15157264
Yeah but Layton isn't an action game where the writer will just throw in enemies because it doesn't matter to players when and why and how some enemy shows up, which is why the last two episodes didn't involve Ezelcant or Zeheart but that clone thing.

>>15157271
>does Studio Nue remotely exist anymore?
They are credited as the original creator of Macross Delta.

>>15157277
If Megaton Musashi bombed then you can say the guy is incompetent. If it somehow works then the fault is on Sunrise.

>>15157305
Are you sure it's not a thing like where in Gundam shows they'll always list Tomino as original creator of Gundam, regardless of if he worked on that story?

>>15157430
It's exactly like that.
Studio Nue stopped making any anime long ago. It just has few people in it now and none of them was involved in making of Delta.

>when people think macross series only sell BDs but never take album and merch sales into account
literally EVERY time

>>15155431
Does anyone know where to find a working English torrent/stream of Codename Robotech?

>>15157562
>robotech shilling
I was wondering they were. With a new macross airing next year and Delta, they're completely left in the dust now.

>>15157501
Don't forget the lastest concert is sold out to a crowd of 17k people at the price of 7k yen for 2 days. 200 million in revenue already

>>15157501
>>15157594
Event ticket in BD 03 for concert.

>>15157594
First day Mamegu as guest and sung seikan hikou with Mimori
Second day TV main casts show showed up and sung more songs. Koshimizu x Juuna in Mikumo part.
So far only 2nd day has been confirmed to be on Bluray. I hope they will throw in extra parts of 1st day onto it as well.

>>15157605
Event ticket in BD does not give a free ticket to concert. It just reserves it for you, you still need to buy it for its full price (7k yen).
Idol industry is that fucked up.

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>>15155756
>Azumanga Daioh was 15

>>15157605
You know you still have to buy the ticket right?

>>15157714
>>15157726
yeah, i mean those both brought BD + Concert ticket.

The only thing i hope in next Macross is it won't have another Mirage-not about she lose the triangle, it's about being so irrelevant that the show is same without her.
Such poorly handled character.

>>15157501
>>15157605
Delta is Resident Evil 6 of Macross, sold a lot but really messed up.
So yup, they still need a fresh start with next Macross.

>>15157874
Like I posted on /a/

>No idols.
>30 year old diva only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGMWL8cOeAU&list=PLN4M2Qz1wUAUQ2b-escQ9mXR7trvd-7C7&index=3

>>15157892
>>15157866
Make next Macross with 30+ years old Mirage as MC and she's producer of the new idol then.
I also like her design, let's not waste it.

>>15157866
I was ok with Delta's triangle. They basically dropped the shit out of it, then wasted a bunch of time going 'maybe we'll revive it! maybe! ok no', but I still prefer it over Frontier where they literally wrote the triangle into the OP theme and spent most of the entire show going nowhere with it.

Maybe next time Kawamori can shut it down in the first episode and get on with the robots.

>>15156911
The First is still ongoing (probably more accurate to say on indefinite hiatus...) but is super slow. The manga started in 2009 and the main story hasn't progressed past episode 7 of SDF. And that was in 2013, it's been in a prequel arc about the final Anti-UN remnant since then.

>>15157912
That'll depend of how much of a stranglehold the execs have on the show, since triangles are part of the formula.

But more importantly, there's gotta be less humanoid aliens as the antagonists, get those Windies out.

>>15157912
Eh i disagree. Macross Frontier Triangle was better handled than Delta's.

>>15157912
Problem is even they're not focus on triangle in Delta, they still can't handle other things well, hell, even worst than Frontier actually.
Mirage is just one of problem, and she's even not the biggest one.

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>>15157936
>Macross Frontier Triangle was better handled than Delta's.

>>15157973
It's true though, at least it's normal triangle, not half-ass done triangle.

>>15157874
>Delta is Resident Evil 6 of Macross, sold a lot but really messed up.
Messed up to who? The japanese fans seemed to enjoy it. Most of the backlash I see for Delta is on /m/ and Macrossworld. I'm starting to think all this frothing hate for Delta on /m/ lately is just a board thing to do. Like how it's "cool" to hate Sonic on video game boards because it's popular.

I just learned that Hikaru's voice actor committed suicide

>>15157977

This.

Frontier may have gone heavy handed with its love triangle, but it was at least a proper triangle where each of the three mattered and there was the illusion that it could have gone either way.

In Delta, Mirage is basically a non-character. She has less personality, screen time, and plot importance than Reina, who is just a random walkure member. If the show wants to make Freya and Hayate the OTP, that's fine, but either put the work into making the triangle work as a story device or don't include it at all.

Granted, Delta is full of writing choices that make it clear that the writer had no idea what the fuck they were doing and never considered the overall story beyond the next couple scenes, so its hardly a surprise that the "triangle" was bad.

>>15157986
>The japanese fans seemed to enjoy it.
Enjoying Walkure? sure there are.
Enjoying Delta? nope.
http://futabalog.com/thread/56abd296d97e45089b59fca4913a557c

>>15158005
There are a few comments saying they didn't like Delta but most are just surprised there's a new one so soon.

>>15157977
>it's normal triangle
A normal triangle where only two sides meet while the third one is kinda just lost with nowhere to go.
>>15157999
>but it was at least a proper triangle where each of the three mattered and there was the illusion that it could have gone either way.
Thanks for the laugh. Ranka has no fucking chance of winning and the show literally didn't bother disguising this fact by essentially having Alto and Sheryl hog up all the screentime with one another while Ranka was largely irrelevant (at least in terms of the triangle).

People's main problem with Delta is that Mirage shouldn't have been in the triangle to begin with but because THIS IS MACROSS WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS TROPE BECAUSE TRADITION EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK she winds up with literally nothing to do even as a character but then again that goes for the majority of the cast.

>http://futabalog.com/thread/56abd296d97e45089b59fca4913a557c

>drop triangle romance
>but sponsor won't allow it

>1st is the best because of its science fiction shit
>it's not going to happen because nobody is able to do that again

>7 is the best
>I think not

>Zero's seriousness is the best
>don't want seriousness

>Frontier
>you kidding?

kek
At the end nothing is going the satisfy anybody

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>>15158049
>Zero's seriousness is the best

>>15158005
>あとロマン・トマ使うの止めたらいい
>いい仕事してるとは思うけどイマイチ受けてないし
I don't know japanese, but my basic hiragana skills picked up the name of Thomas Romain. What are they complaining about?

>>15158043
>People's main problem with Delta is that Mirage shouldn't have been in the triangle to begin with but because THIS IS MACROSS WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS TROPE BECAUSE TRADITION EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK she winds up with literally nothing to do even as a character but then again that goes for the majority of the cast.
It's not like Mirage have any actual thing to do with romance from what we get now, but like you said majority of the cast are doing nothing in the show, so yeah, what a fucking shit writing team.

>>15158049
>7 is the best
>I think not

>Zero's seriousness is the best
>don't want seriousness

>Frontier
>you kidding?

So basically the same shit as in /m/.

>>15158063
He did a good job, but it is not for everybody.

>>15158049
Why do we pretend we're any different from the Japanese?

>>15158063
Don't pick Thomas romain in the next one.

>>15158059
>implying it's not a good thing

>>15156307
Am I the only one who hopes that they'll abandon the Hayate/Freyja/Mirage "triangle" for something that actually has the potential to be interesting?

Like... I don't know, replacing Mirage with Mikumo? Mysterious super clone learning what life is like beyond singing would be far more compelling as a character, and as part of the triangle, than the walking disappointment to the Jenius bloodline.

>>15158070
Delta's triangle is the best because the triangle mostly got ignored. Hopefully the execs will stop demanding shit that the writers don't want to do, but spending almost no time on it is the next best thing.

Where did the 'Macross always needs a triangle!!' thing come from anyway? The first one didn't have a triangle, it had a bunch of different people having relationships like (indecisive) normal people. Why can't the execs ask for that instead of reducing it to a bad trope?

>>15158113
>Where did the 'Macross always needs a triangle!!' thing come from anyway
People's first Macross was Frontier its the same misconception Gundam fags suffer from when people assume every Gundam anime is like SEED.

>>15158063
>And it would be fine if they stopped using Thomas Romain
>He does good work but it just didn't do it for me

>>15158087
Who's Thomas Romain?

>>15158120
>>15158127
He just does designs and backgrounds. I'm surprised that of all the things in Delta anyone cares about that element.

>>15158113
>Delta's triangle is the best because the triangle mostly got ignored.
>Where did the 'Macross always needs a triangle!!' thing come from anyway?
When the triangle is half-ass done.
There's a way to make people ignore lack of triangle moment: do the fine job with character him/herself, but sadly, they failed hard in this part so people still keep looking for triangle.
It's fine that they want ignore the triangle, but ignore majority of the cast? well of course people don't like it.
Hell i can tell you even Mikumo is not handled well.

>>15158110
>Like... I don't know, replacing Mirage with Mikumo?
The chance of Mukumo become another Mirage is higher, the only way to solve it is find a better writing team, then you can include whoever you want in the triangle and it can still end up better.

>>15158113
Your taste is shit. Romance, and love triangles especially, add a lot of enjoyment to a series. It drives character development, gives characters goals other than just finish the plot and acquire the McGuffin, and leads to doujins.

Delta was so fucking trash.

Yes, Macross has idols in it. But Delta was a blatant idol bait show with Macross splashed on the background.

>>15158113
>The first one didn't have a triangle, it had a bunch of different people having relationships like (indecisive) normal people
It also didn't have mecha. It just had planes that can transform into human-like robots.
And it didn't have music. It had a girl singing songs.

You're delusional.

>>15158135
In all anime series ever produced, you will find a total of zero good love triangles.

They can be done well, but Japan uses them as a way of stretching a series out forever, which also means not advancing the triangle an inch, never mind resolving it.

>>15158144
Many people having relationships isn't a 'triangle'.

>>15158187
>Many people having relationships isn't a 'triangle'.
They didn't just have ordinary friendly relationships, it was romantic. It's literally definition of love triangle.

>>15158113
>The first one didn't have a triangle, it had a bunch of different people having relationships
This has to be the most delusional posts I've ever seen.

It's one thing to say "Macross never had singing as important" or "Macross was never about magic" but to deny that love triangles are things that the franchise has used since the beginning is ridiculous.

You say people get hung up over it but we have posts in this thread from Japan even saying how essential the love triangle is

There is a need for triangle, for it has all the ingredients to generate a love song.
Without love song they don't call it Macross.

http://junnarockyou.com/
No one knows what it's going to be, but most likely announcement of JUNNA's solo album which will start her own solo career. That girl got talent so it's expected she doesn't want to to be held by Delta's legacy. It also probably means no more Walkures.

>>15158228
>It also probably means no more Walkures.
That's ridiculous. It makes them too much money

>>15158228
Good for her.
Hopefully she can escape the curse for being a Macross singer unlike the others.

>>15158235
Who has been 'cursed' other than Mari Iijima?

And I say cursed loosely in that case because she's had a very prolific music career, just one where she's never surpassed being known for Macross

>>15158235
>the curse for being a Macross singer
The thing that doesn't exist?

>>15158233
Producers probably believe that she can make even more money for them on her own. Walkure is tied to anime, it cannot continue and live on its own. Anime image limits possibilities for their development and expansion. It may make them money now, but it's really bad long term investment.
JUNNA is still so young, she is perfect material that can be shaped into anything producers want. Maybe she is next Namie Amuro.

>>15157986
>just a board thing

No its a genera western opinion that Delta was bad.

>>15158257
The singer in Frontier hasn't done anything since.

>>15158279
Because Nakajima Megumi is a talentless trash.

May'n is still going strong.

>>15158049
>>it's not going to happen because nobody is able to do that again

JUST LOOK FOR NEW TALENT.

>>15158279
May'n has released like five albums and a ton of singles since Frontier.

Nakajima released almost as many albums and has just come back from a two year hiatus.

>strong
>with collaboration she is among top 10 for weeks
>being solo puts her within top 50 for a week

I don't see how strong that is

>>15158291
NEW TALENTS ARE DEAD BECAUSE OF THE GIRLY MILITARY ANIME POISONING.

please let it be like Plus and not Frontier, 7, or Delta.

>>15158396
Never going to happen.

please let it be like Frontier and not Plus, or Zero

please let it be like Zero and plus and not Frontier or Delta.

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>>15158410
>>15158405
>>15158396

>>15158291
Japan is super risk-averse, so no moneymen are going to bankroll any anime that doesn't check a half dozen boxes on the anime industry list of 'things that made money before'.

Lower budget series like Argevollen or Fafner have more wiggle room, but known names like Macross get the 'invest money, play it safe, wait for profit' approach.

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>>15158396
NEVER EVER.

>>15158420

This is why Trigger is the only hope of saving anime. They understand that there are more non-japanese anime fans in the world than there are otaku, the otaku are just closer.

Trigger crowdsourced a show on kickstarter that otherwise they wouldn't have been able to make, and it was largely funded by western anime fans. They know that they can finance shows that normally wouldn't succeed as long as they can tap into the western market.

And if we can get one goddamn studio not making generic trash, and it succeeds, that could shake up the current stagnant industry.

>>15158438
Keep this in mind.
Japanese society destroys hopes.

>>15158396
>>15158405
>>15158410

Please, please just have it be a slice of life comedy about a zentradi otaku that doesn't want to leave his giant house, and his interactions with the world. A sort of comedic take on a ground-level view of the macross universe, not set during wartime.

His family, also Zentradi, keep pressing him to join the military and do something with his life. Maybe eventually he even does for a few episodes, before he mucks it all up.

>>15158438
Except LWA is a labor of love not something that will pull a revenue which is what investors want more than anything and judging from its preorder numbers will be dismal.

>>15158396
Oh look, another delusional anon who think a side story like Plus is what represent Macross.

>>15158438
Sadly Japanese bigwigs seem to be way more interested in not getting blamed for failures than they are interested in getting kudos for successes. Probably because they get no reward for success and they get shit on if something fails and they did something seen as risky.

I'm glad to see risk-takers like Trigger getting somewhat rewarded, but they're not gonna eat the lunch of the other companies anytime soon since anime workers seem to be able to survive even on literally no sales.

>>15158486
Life is like Tetris, you successes quickly go away but your mistakes remain there forever until you either die or somehow manage to erase them without making even more mistakes.

>>15158279
May'n is very much still popular and around
https://twitter.com/mayn_tw

Nakajima went on hiatus like two years ago but recently came out of it

>>15158396
>>15158405
You make it sound like any of those three are like each other at all

(Though I wish Delta was more like 7 like I thought it would be)

>>15158496
Reminds me of Tetris being seen as an allegory for the Soviet Union.

>>15155865
I hope its something like an enhanced Messiah, it would be like pottery.
>VF-25 is just a fancy VF-1
>VF-35 is just a fancy VF-25

>>15157007
It will never happen, give it a rest and find other media you actually enjoy.
I only go into Macross threads to tell SDF/DYRL/Plus fanboys to suck it up and abandon this series because many different economic reasons turned into an idol series and you have to deal with it.
I did this and never looked back ever since, no reason to suffer the atrocious idolshit drama to experience Satelight horrendous 2005-tier CGI.
And as the other anon said, DYRL already "updated" SDF animation better than the whole Japanese industry will ever be able to do in the next 50 years.

>>15158420
Look at Kawamori's next project. We don't know much about it, but it doesn't look like it has any of the checkboxes. It's some kind of obscure cyberpunk, there's zero chance it will sell. Yet it somehow got funded.

>>15158571
The Chinese funded it, maybe they're less risk averse than the average jap, or maybe they just have a lot more money to throw at random projects.

>>15158587
Maybe it's something they can air back at home, so they can go "look, we made this, aren't we great?".

>>15158587
>>15158626
It's a response to a boom market for anime, and the boom of anime licensing costs that brings about.

When licensing costs get high enough (and having to bid on properties sight-unseen) if the capital is there is can be more logical to just invest in the production and cutting out the middle of the process.

>>15158113

> The first one didn't have a triangle

It did though. Much of the extended epilogue section from episodes 27 to episode 36 focuses on the triangle between Hikaru, Misa and Minmei, culminating in Hikaru forgoing a date he's set up with Misa just after they realise their feelings to go meet Minmei who's realised she loves Hikaru.

>Among the announcements are virtual reality, live music concert, planetarium (listed as "planetalium"), projection mapping display, and toy projects.

So this is what the other stuff alongside the 2018 series is. I think the planetarium and projection display are the things a few tweets assumed might be a movie.

>>15158767
Not to mention everything that took place before that.

>>15158444
Pretty much Trigger is on the death beds with in 5-6 years LWA had events canceled in Japan because of lack of fans.

>>15158996
When that happened, LWA had no promotion or presence in Japan. Pretty sure we got a legitimate release of it before they did.

>>15159014
More like they found out the entire show was average at best and nothing special

>>15158420
>Lower budget series like Argevollen or Fafner have more wiggle room, but known names like Macross get the 'invest money, play it safe, wait for profit' approach.

Are you fucking kidding me ? Fafner Exodus has animation quality that destroys Delta. Delta is very poorly animated, has poor backgrounds and shit mecha action. It's really not even on same playing as Fafner Exodus let alone Macross Frontier (and this one is almost 10 years old).

>>15159051
It's an unfair world.
Macross manages to get more funding than Fafner because it has a much better system and guaranteed return of profit than the others.

>>15158005
No offense but just like here, a few hundred people on a board (lets be generous) are not the consensus.

I know everyone here likes to think that that their opinion is the voice of god, but in the end we are just a few loud yelling people. Same goes for the nipboards

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>>15157578
>robotech shilling
>by asking where one of their products can be pirated

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>>15155431
>2017 Macross 35 anniversary Project.

Probably another lame-ass pachinko machine.

>>15157578
>With a new macross airing next year and Delta, they're completely left in the dust now.
No no! They're totally going to get that live action movie! Really! They seriously are this time! You'll see!

>>15159651
Isn't there like news stating that James Wan is interested in directing the robotech film in the future?

>>15159654
There's been news that tons of different people were interested in directing it for YEARS.

It's not happening, and if, by some amazing miracle it does, it's going to be straight to DVD B-Movie schlock tier.

Robotech fags on suicide watch.

>>15159650
it's a planetarium

I really hope the new show goes vack to being like SDF. At the very least make it like Frontier but for the love of god, STOP LIONIZING PMCs. Doesn't Kawamori know that PMCs will do anything for dirty money while real army guys fight for their country or family?

>>15159799
>At the very least make it like Frontier
You want it to be shit?

>>15159799

I imagine he likes to use PMCs because the cast can be more casual about things like dress code or the way they interact in a PMC than in a real army. Delta Squad could totally have been a special forces squad of the normal UN Spacy though really, and had no need to be part of a PMC. SMS was more deliberate, since the show made some mentions of the differences between the two.

>>15155431
After Frontier I don't care anymore. I didn't even watch Delta. Macross has been dead to me for many years. Plus was the only worthwhile sequel, and it's been many years already.

>all these butthurt MUH WAR DRAMA, PLUS WAS THE BEST fags

Macross was never serious. KYS

They need to hire a good writer.

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>>15159843
I don't need serious. I need good.
Also, fuck you.

>>15157084
hahaha are you one of those guys thinking IBO or G-Reco is a failure because it has under 20,000 sales?

>>15157211
>Anything under 12k is not a success

bah that's a subective number. success is what the production committee wills it to be, regardless of budget.

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>>15159654

The problem is that a robotech movie would cost too much money to make for individual people to matter.

It doesn't matter if you have actors and directors who want to make the movie. The studios are the ones that make that choice, and robotech is something the studios have no reason to care about or have any trust in.

>>15159982
plus wasn't good

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>>15157211
>Anything under 12k is not a success
This industry would have died years ago if this was the case.

>>15155431
Kawamori already murdered the franchise so this might as well not even exist.

Just another Tsukihime anime treatment

Reading this thread it seems Macross fans don't know what they want in a sequel. Some fans want another retelling similar to SDF, some want something like Plus which is vastly different from SDF and every other Macross. Kawamori and Satelight will never please anyone. This fanbase will always bitch about the latest sequels.

>>15160884

It's almost like different people want different things from a sequel, and different people complain at different times about different things.

>>15155574
"Macross Delta's second "Walkūre ga Tomaranai" concert in Yokohama ended on Sunday with several announcements for the 35th anniversary of the science-fiction romance anime franchise Macross, including a new television anime in 2018. The Sunday concert will be available on home video, and new "super dimension" "visual (eizō) projects" are in planning for this year to mark the 35th anniversary."
Is all it says, nothing about 2017. What does a "visual (eizo) project" mean? Why is ANN full of shit?

>>15156191
>VF-31 has probably ten times the thrust-to-weight of the VF-1 (macross2 is down)
>at least twice the top speed in atmosphere
>twice the wing area
It's like he's not even trying.

>>15161301
Have you tried just simply reading the thread?
>>15158907
>>15159706

>>15160884
Really, we just want lots of mech combat which Delta failed to deliver. Seriously the combat there was so repetitive and so boring.

>>15161391
Delta had battles in literally every episode. They were just over in a few minutes with Windies winning every time.

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>>15161391
>Really, we just want lots of mech combat which Delta failed to deliver.
It did deliver quantity.
It just ran into the usual Macross problem where they just recycled the same footage every time.

>>15155850
Macross Plus and Macross 7, only because both were worked on the same time.

Macross Delta and this new anime for 2018 is planned the same time given the interval.

>>15161391
>we just want lots of mech combat
Who we? You and your mom? I hope you're not trying to talk for all of /m/.

Mecha fights are always only supplementary to plot and characters. It's basically fanservice for mecha fans and you can't make a good anime on fanservice only. Plus was good as eye candy, but it's not as good as SDF with its 2 fps fights. Gundam 0080 had godlike animations, but it's one of the weakest UC entries for me.

Lots of mecha combat would not improve Delta. It wouldn't change its plot, it wouldn't give more development to its characters, it wouldn't make it more interesting.

I utterly despise people who say that they need cool mechs and nothing else. They are no different than faggots who just want more ecchi, pantsushots and breast groping.

Characters, plot and only then mechs.

>>15161453
While it's true battles took place virtually every episode, I would assume the complaint is ultimately rather than pure quantity, it's that people want battles with dramatic stakes and consequences

Delta's structure is, essentially, a close focus on conflict between two opposing elite squadrons. Because they're the named characters nothing can ever really happen to them! Except maybe getting a wing shot off or losing an engine so they crash land somewhere and come back to fight again two episodes later.

Don't get me wrong, I despite people who think kill 'em all is what makes something serious, a bunch of my favorite parts of Delta are battles that matter and aren't slaughter fests - I think the series dramatically peaks with the battle for Ragna and consequent escape in episode 13 and they didn't have to kill people there - but for a lot of the series, the secondary forces that give your show scale are marginalized, forgotten or are so detached that they just don't matter.

In say Frontier, the non-SMS forces of the Frontier fleet matter because they're always part of the story. In Delta, I don't give a shit when the Windies annihilate NUNs fleets because they have little to do with anything except showing up to die. Chaos is meant to have multiple wings of conventional forces backing up Delta Flight, but how often do you notice them? It makes the Delta Flight vs Aerial Knights dynamic come across as extended slap fights.

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fuck y'all, I'm moderately excited.

Delta was enjoyable(At least the first half). Could've been better.

My only demand is that the main character gets a meltran waifu, big and all.

>>15155431
Hopefully it's not a Delta film or in anyway related to Delta. Hopefully Kawamori let's someone take the reigns and he just does the mecha designs.

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BRING EM BACK

FROM OUTER SPACE

>>15161894
NO

I wish there was more Macross in Macross. The Elysion was pretty hype the couple of times they let it do something other than powering the colony ship with its crotch. The Quarter was pretty hot too.

>>15161864
Hey fuck you to.

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>>15162052
no u

Haruhiko Mikimoto or any 80s anime character designer should be hired for next Macross. I fucking hated Alto and Hayate's design, they are both complete faggots. Also why don't they reuse old mecha sound effects? Frontier had decent effects while Delta had completely forgettable effects but SDF is still much more memorable. Gundam does both these things and it's fantastic.

>>15161491
Macross was never really that great with characters to begin with. There is not a single Macross MC that can best a UC Gundam MC. The only thing Macross can do right most of the time is make the winner girl a good character but even then that's really easy. G Gundam already made a better love triangle than anything Kawamori could do.

>>15162122
Imagawa is a proven director. Kawamori isn't but he can do mecha designs. It's not a fair comparison.

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>>15162110
Mikimoto was completely wasted on Eotens: Foamer Edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPo7sDi4_mc

No scene in Delta actually tops this. This shows how far Delta's standards has fallen.

>>15162130
Maybe Kawamori shouldn't be directing then.

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>>15159651
>>15159654
>>15159674
>>15160576
Please where do I find Codename Robotech the only torrents I can find look dead and are in Spanish or some other language

>>15162362
Robotech is dead, there are no torrents, and you're stupid for wanting them.
Give it up.

>>15162371
He says on the board where people discuss obscure 70's toy commercials that have never been subbed

You're an edgy faggot, if you don't have anything of importance to say then fuck off

Robotech was instrumental in cultivating the /m/ fandom well before you were ever born, go jack off to Code Geass yaoi doujins you little queef.

>>15162371
So some little 14 year old who started watching mecha shows with Gurren Lagann says it's dead, I guess that means no one is allowed to enjoy Robotech anymore

Pathetic fucking faggot

>>15162371
You're what's wrong with 4chan, only here to poke and prod and try to one-up a random stranger you will never meet, fuck off back to /v/

If I ever saw you in real life I'd dare you to say anything to my face you limp wristed little cuck.

>>15162393
>Robotech was instrumental in cultivating the /m/ fandom
I don't live in burgerland.

My /m/ comes from Goldorake and Pablozinger Z.

>>15162402
say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens

>>15162393
>>15162394
>>15162402
Here come the buttblasted robotech faggots.

Go back to your shitty forum and cry to the rest of your hugbox bitchboys about how the haters are totally going to see one day your shitshow totally isn't dead.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is going to have a laugh at your expense because Robotech is dead and you're living in denial.

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>>15162393
>>15162394
>>15162402
;^)

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>>15162465
>>15162485
Robofags BTFO'd

Someone put those niggas on suicide watch before it's too late

>>15162110
>Haruhiko Mikimoto or any 80s anime character designer should be hired for next Macross.

What's funny is you probably Mikimoto still does designs that look like his old Macross designs. He sure doesn't.

If you read The First you'd probably be wondering why there's moeblobs and fanservice, and why Minmay dresses like Sheryl.

>>15162214
>No scene in Delta actually tops this.
It's funny how Delta re-used the Monster model and animations but, due to the different textures used, it looked worse.

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>>15162511

> why there's fanservice

Macross always had fan service.

> why Minmay dresses like Sheryl

Because it's not the 80's any more and that's what modern J-Pop idols dress as, so that's what Minmay is depicted as dressing like.

>>15162122

I prefer Hikaru to a lot of Gundam protagonists to be honest. He's a better everyman than a lot of the Gundam protagonists, and makes for a believable teenager as well as new recruit. I like Alto as well though. He's not the best by any shot, but I'd take him over a good few Gundam protagonists like Judau, Heero, Kira, Bellri etc. personally. Gundam has a few great protagonists in Amuro, Uso, Domon etc. but it has a lot of duds too. I don't think G's romance was particularly noteworthy though, and it barely had a love triangle since Rain was only introduced late and the show quickly made it clear Domon wasn't interested in her and that she was only there to contrast Rain to help Domon identify his feelings, not be a genuine other option.

>>15162130

Kawamori didn't write or direct either SDF Macross or DYRL. He didn't write Plus either, and wasn't the principal director or writer for 7, the Frontier TV animation or Delta. He's only really been central to Zero and the Frontier movies, though he did have fairly heavy involvement in Plus' writing from what I gather.

>>15162620

> He didn't write Plus either

Didn't direct it rather.

>>15162620
>Kawamori didn't write or direct either SDF Macross or DYRL

He is literally the creator of the whole concept of SDF, wrote and storyboarded multiple episodes of it. It doesn't exist without him.

Also he oversaw production of SDF and directed DYRL. Ishiguro himself has said his listing as director for SDF and DYRL was mostly as a figurehead and he had only minor hands on involvement.

>>15162620
>>15162622
Director still has huge impact on script. He makes outlines, checks the script and says what should be changed, he approves and declines things. Chief Director is still director, even though he just usually delegates majority of his work to main director he still has the same powers and responsibilities.

Any anime is collaboration work of multiple people and you can never say that "writing is solely X's work", "that scene is only Y's fault". Read few interviews about different Macross series, you'll see that some plot details and characters were proposed by writer, some by main director and some by Kawamori.

>>15161453
>Delta had battles in literally every episode
I am quite sure it did not

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>>15162110
>I fucking hated Alto and Hayate's design, they are both complete faggots
Welcome to /m/?
Get the fuck out

>>15163075
So he's literally Japanese George Lucas.

>>15161453
Not true. Delta had this pattern with one episode being battles and the next being idol stuff or exposition or filler. It was repetitive but acceptable for the first half but then the increase in exposition disrupted that in the second half.

>>15163646

That, and the battles becoming a joke. After Messer died, instead of the stakes getting higher the stakes dropped. The knights and delta just sort of spent the rest of the show slap-fighting without consequence, until eventually Hayate would get a song buff and nothing would happen and then the fight would be over.

One of the many reasons that Delta turned into a groanfest is that, for all of the goddamn screentime they gave to establishing song buffs and making song buffs important and creating drama around song buffs... we get to the finale and song buffs literally never matter or come up in any way that's important. They were never anything more than filler with no payoff.

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>Episode where Mirage is forced to be Idol
>gets song stuck in her head while flying and starts singing out loud
>Doesn't realize she's doing remarkably better as a pilot while singing

This is so easy to write, why do they not do it.

>>15162403
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>>15162465
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>>15162501
>You're not allowed to enjoy Macross unless you watch in MY exact prescribed manner!!! Anything old is bad!!!!!

What's it like being an ADD rattled millennial faggot?

>>15161491
But 0080 was actually good. Better than any Macross after SDF.

>>15163904
I was sure as fuck since the beginning this would happen
and it didn't
what the flying fuck

>>15163905
Robotech isn't even Macross you faggot.

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>>15161864
>Delta was enjoyable
kill yourself desu

>>15163930

I don't know what it is but it's like Kawamori goes out of the way to make his non favorite girls get the short end of the stick.

Mirage got it better than Zessica but there's no reason he couldn't have had a "I got over my shit" sub plot for her if he was going to put it in at all. Really just make her an ace out the gate if you're not gonna build on her needing to get good. She'd be just as static but at least she'd be useful

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>>15163943
The first half was.

>>15163945
all she did was scream DELTAFORORU
>>15163952
you mean only the first episode was
absolutely nothing besides that dancing VF scene was remotely memorable

>>15163960
The song was memorable.
Not too often Macross has a Ska song in it.

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Best Macross girl

I will always have high hopes for every Macross. At least Kawamori never repeats his old mistakes. He learns from his past experience and thus always makes only completely new and fresh mistakes. Unfortunately he proves that there are unlimited amount of possibilities for completely new fuck ups.

>>15163960
Nah, I still remember what happened in almost every episode of the first half. You should start doing exercises to improve your memory.

>>15163984
>He learns from his past experience and thus always makes only completely new and fresh mistakes
I didn't even know it is possible to create protagonists who ended up having no relevance to the overall plot, until Deta came along. So I think you are right, Delta showed me fuckups I never thought possible.

>>15163960
Mirage had more of a character than Hayate though.

>>15164076
I feel like the only character who had any character growth and development was Mirage, and that was only thanks to a last-minute asspull.

Hayate didn't change much at all after deciding he liked flying. He never became more mature, like Hikaru, or learned to leave his father's shadow and become his own man like Alto. Even Basara at least learned what love was and accomplished his dream of being Minmei (male).

Freyja was almost as bad. She just wanted to be an idol. She remained a little girl all the way until the end.

>>15163646
There were a lot of non-fatal battles in the episodes that had idols, like Hayate and Mirage's dogfight training.

>>15164180

Freya had a lot of development. Like all those times she spazzed out like a retard on cocaine

>>15164228
That's not development. That's just reacting to the plot. I'm talking about characters growing and maturing and individuals and taking on real responsibilities and relationships.

>>15164241
I could try explaining her development in great detail for blind anons like you, but what's the point if you can always reply with this meaningless phrase "reacts to plot".

It can be applied literally to every character in existence. Why Minmay suddenly found the courage to sing in the final battle? She just reacted to plot!

>>15164241
>reacting to the plot
You could also say the same about Sheryl. She was always amazing from beginning to end.

>>15164300
>but what's the point if you can always reply with this meaningless phrase "reacts to plot".

Translation: I can't actually do what I say I can

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>>15163975
this

>>15162214
Remember when Macross had tactics? I don't really like Frontier at all, but at least it had different battle roles and strict mission objectives, which is a lot better than "dogfight the windies" while singing happens. Too bad the entire character dynamics for the first half of Frontier were "all your friends were elite pilots and you didn't know", and "these girls want your dick". Not that Delta was more interesting, just more believable.

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>tfw burned out on delta

>>15164334
>>15164300

Sheryl had to confront her past, accept her mortality, and outgrow her mother figure, who betrayed her.

Freyja only reacts to the plot. What she does is driven entirely by external factors, like what the Windies are doing, or what Mikumo wants, and at the end of the series those experiences didn't shape her and mold her into someone different from the girl we met at episode 1.

Sheryl, for example, attained independence and found a fulfilling purpose as a human weapon, rather than an empty existence as the idol/puppet of the puppet conspiracy.

>>15164579
>Remember when Macross had tactics?

No? I remember Shammy slamming a track ball but as far as tactics go the most complicated shit ever got was

"Punch ship hand into enemy hull and shoot" in SDF

"Slam face into console to avoid siren song" in Plus

"rock harder" in 7

"Do whatever the fuck shinn did" in zero

>>15164626
I was referring to Frontier in comparison to Delta, where they had fighters with individual roles actually shown carrying out their seperate duties. Sniper boy, recon boy, and everything else that was the same as the previous and later entries. Ok maybe it was just to make Alto's friends less useless looking. I concede the point.

>>15164641

Well yeah there where ROLES but once the fighting started everything was always the same PEW PEW, it wasn't say something like MJP where the specialized mechs actually did their specialty

huh, man as much as I do like MJP I really wish I could think of more examples that had specialized mechs sticking to their role.

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>>15163905
Funny, it's like been a fan for a fucking Chinese knockoff iphone while been mad that the real iphone holder laugh at your low effort knockoff.

Robotech and HG should just quietly go jump off a cliff so the rest of the world can start enjoying Macross.

just got back from Disneyland, played Delta songs on rides, best on was on soarin', the song was Koi! Halation the War, did i ruin the series yet?

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Ranka Lee

>>15164598
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT defending Delta nor am I saying Freyja is a better girl but....
>attained independence
Wasn't she always independent? She constantly ditched that bitch girl whose name I don't know and did her best to make time to spend with Alto since the first episodes.
>found a fulfilling purpose as a human weapon, rather than an empty existence as the idol/puppet of the puppet conspiracy
Aren't those two kind of the same thing? Oh she's not a puppet of some cyborg bitch, now she's the puppet of the military. Some development. Sheryl is a fantastic girl but I really don't think her development is as divine as you say it is. It's SLIGHTLY better than Freyja's.

I felt like Ranka and Alto had better development to be honest. Ranka learned to stop letting people make her decisions and was able to make her own in the end, although the decision she made in the end made her incredibly unlikable. Alto went from some spoiled kid with daddy issues to a........shit nevermind. God damn Macross MCs don't have shit on Gundam's Amuro, Kamille, Judau, or Banagher.

Preordered Freyja and Mikumo.
Sorry anon I helped in boosting sales.

>>15163933
>>15164803
Ok underage faggots, thanks for the history lesson on something that happened 20 years before you were born

You're like those underage faggots who because they watched Kai on Nicktoons think they know more than people who have been watching DB since 1995

>>15163933
>>15164803
Except Tatsunoko officially licensed their series out, it's an official Tatsunoko product, keep proving you're an ignorant underage sanctimonious faggot with no self awareness though.

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>>15165081
>>15165085
>robotech fags A BLOO BLOO BLOOing more

This much anal devastation can't be good for your hemorrhoids

>>15164598
I don't even know what anime you're talking about since it's defintely not about Frontier. The story of Sheryl is the story of a girl who fell into depression because of her unfulfilled desire for a dick. But as soon as her pussy itching was satisfied by Alto's dick she went back to exactly the same galactic fairy she was in episode one. Also there was some bullshit space aids in-between for more drama but with no consequences whatsoever.
You talking about "human weapon" is the most nonsensical thing I've read about Frontier in a while. That's maybe what Leon/Grace wanted her to be, but that's not what she ever was and not what she became. You don't know absolutely anything about Macross if you think that hippie Kawamori would ever approve this idea. Even in Delta the concept of "songs = weapons" was writer's idea, not Kawamori's. And that concept was instantly rejected by all characters.

>>15164494
Search for "reacting to the plot" in archives. It's not the first time this anon makes this claim and he already got plenty of counter-arguments from anons and me in previous threads.

>>15165081
Ah, have to resort to assuming others "underage" to gain superiority. Nice try. I was playing C&C in 1995 btw.

>>15165085
Officially licensed on the surface, but doesn't make it any less of a knockoff when you compare the underneath with the legit one.

>>15158116

Are you for real? SDF, 7, and Plus had one too.

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>>15163975

Those be fighting words, senpai.

>>15164579
>>15164579
Is this bait? The only Macross series that really had tactics was Frontier and bits of 7.