Shinji Ikari

He's a qt

>>15141178
>Does this spineless creepy faggot have a single redeeming quality?

Nope. He's the image of 1990s Japanese youth. That's all you need to know.

he's 14 what do you expect

>>15141326
>he's 14 what do you expect

A bit of character ?

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>>15141178
>Does this spineless creepy faggot have a single redeeming quality
Impressive bravery that allowed him to repeatedly fight in a giant robot that you can feel the pain of, a sense of responsibility or duty that made him come back even after being told to fuck off and being able to leave twice with no consequences, the ability to shrug off the pain of having an arm torn off, being submerged in lava, impaled etc.

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>>15141454
And for what it's worth he was the best pilot out of the three.

>>15141178
>I thought after a while shinji would grow and change, becoming a better person.
He was doing pretty well until he got stuck in an alternate dimension and mindraped for 16 hours and nearly died.

>>15141178
>Am I missing something here?
Only the fact he rejected instrumentality and accepted the real world, with its pain and happiness.

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>>15141454
I mean, most people would refuse to get in the robot after being hospitalized after their first rodeo, and getting hospitalized after most fights anyway, but Shinji never actually refused to get into the robot other than the first time in which he correctly guessed that he wouldn't be able to pilot it properly.

And hey, he got his arm broken and a pile driver through his head so he was right about that.

>>15141330
There's character in having no character. Shinji's reaction is as typical as what you'd expect from any (mostly) normal teenage boy forced by his deadbeat dad to pilot his mom.

You're probably not as interesting as you think you are

>>15141471
>Shinji's reaction is as typical as what you'd expect from any (mostly) normal teenage boy forced by his deadbeat dad to pilot his mom

>Shinji, ride your mother, or I'll force this vulnerable teenage girl to do it instead
Out of context, that sounds like the set-up for a (not really) hilarious softcore porn movie.

>>15141178
>Does this spineless creepy faggot have a single redeeming quality? Am I missing something here?

He reminds me of me.

>>15141178
Stories we want to read characters are about characters that succeed in their quests, but in the case of Shinji, his growth is not about defeating the Angels or saving the world, more like accepting himself and real world.

This, at least, in the ending of the TV show. Given what is happening and what kind of assholes are the adults surrounding him, it's not really his fault.

The world around Shinji didn't really allow him to grow as a person.

Everyone around him expected things out of him that he wasn't ready to handle, understand or even properly process.

Even out of the other pilots and kids his age, there was no one there to actually understand him, just to expect more and more out of him until he eventually broke.

But Shinji does grow and change and become a better person.

What the fuck is going on here? Is /m/ still not understanding Evangelion?

>>15141608
He didn't become a manly hot-blooded pilot who punches Gendo and fucks all of my waifus like I totally would in his situation.

Can't he just be the self-insert for my power fantasy already?

>>15141615

Ah, you're looking for the Manga then.

>>15141615
I'm not surprised, when this board is sucking Tomino's dick for characterization.

>>15141606
>there was no one there to actually understand him
except Kaworu, of course
and Shinji gave him up because he cares about all those flawed shitbags who hate him
Shinji gets a bad rap because people only remember the first three episodes and EoE

>>15141608
He's probably talking about the strangling scene, that despite everything he's been through he still comes off as a creep.

>>15141630
>because people only remember the first three episodes and EoE

I also remember mid season Shinji and episode 19, where he becomes a real badass and lose only because he run out of energy.

In the same time Asuka was practically reduced worse than Shinji and she turns out to be even more broken than him.

>>15141636
The strangling scene happens because Shinji still cannot forget Asuka, it's proof of his humanity.

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Shinji may have gone through a lot of shit, but that doesn't excuse his behavior. At his core, Shinji is a terrible person.

You can try to defend him all you want by going
>muh power fantasy
>h-he's just 14
but the fact is that, even in real life, children have pulled through horribly traumatic conditions. Besides, Shinji was a pathetic shitstain even before he go in the giant robot.
>wahh my daddy doesn't love me

In the end, I think only pampered middle class first worlders can identify with Shinji's patheticness.

>>15141652
Are you the guy who's still guilt tripping Shinji for not jumping into the rowboat pronto?

>>15141652
That's kind of the point actually, a broken kid being forced into traumatic situations.

Shinji himself says he's pathetic and a terrible person and he only excuses his actions when there's reason behind them.

>>15141643
My interpretation of the scene is that it's a reanactment of the masturbation scene with asuka being awake
>Shinji sees vulnerable asuka
>Lets his base instincts take control
>Asuka see's him let's him know how she feels
>Shinji proceeds to feel horrible for what he did

EoE was a fucking mistake

>>15141178

Dude, what's there to grow and change FOR?

The world's ending. In fact, the world DID end. That's the whole point of Shinji, he's not getting increasingly emo. He's going insane.

By EoE, he is completely insane.

>>15141676
It's actually a reanactment of the scene when Shinji strangles Asuka.

Asuka refuses to accept him and he mad.

But in the second scene, something in Asuka changes and she caresses him, but this action still disgusts her/makes her feel bad.

>>15141687
Yet another case of people not getting EoE.

Honestly, for all that detailed scenes overanalyzing Gundam, /m/ is just fucking dumb.

>>15141696
To be fair, EoE is also pretty fucking stupid itself. It shows that it's a ramshackle movie thrown together to please the fans who didn't like the original ending. EoE is an art house film, it sacrifices cohesion and storytelling for visuals and, often empty, imagery.

>>15141696
>thinks everyone is the same person
>calls others dumb

>>15141652

But Shinji DID pull through.

It wasn't easy, and it took time, but he did pull through. The only time that Shinji just completely, 100% gives up is during the early part of EoE, after he is dealing with having killed Kaworu (remember that earlier in the show he would rather die than risk killing another person, even a total stranger) and there is no one for him to go to for support because everyone is dealing with their own shit. Thats the only part where he is like 'maybe it would be better if I just died. I'm a terrible person. I killed the only person who didn't treat me like shit. I did everything they asked of me, and all it got me was isolation and pain. Fuck it, I'm done. Pull that trigger. Its what I deserve.'

The rest of the time, for all his complaining about how the situation is complete bullshit (to be fair, usually the situation IS complete bullshit) he gets in the robot and does what needs to be done. He doesn't enjoy it, because its painful and terrifying. But he does it anyway.

Even at the end, during EoE, once Shinji realizes what the hell is going on and the implications of all this third impact shit, he pulls out of his own navel long enough to save the world one last time.

Shinji is the sort of guy who won't lift a finger in his own defense, but if you tell him that the lives of others depend on him he will move heaven and earth.

>>15141699
EoE is just a big budget version of the TV ending plus shit they skip over in the TV version (like what the fuck happened between episode 24 & 25/26, and what happened after).
>>15141700
You heard me.

>>15141689
Yeah it's a combination of both scenes in a way.

Whatever way you take it I think the scene is there specifically to show us that instrumentality (everyone turning into one flawless being that needs no one) didn't happen because an impossible scene (two separate flawed people that need each other) is happening.

>>15141703
Shut the fuck up, you autismal shit. Go listen to my chemical romance or whatever you fags cry to when you're alone.

>>15141676
>>15141689

My favorite explanation for the beach scene is the filter drop.

Having just pulled themselves out of Instrumentality, they are both dazed, confused, and more in tune with their real emotions than ever before.

Shinji sees Asuka, and with his filters down all of that anger and resentment bubbles up to the surface, and he starts to strangle her in an emotionally cathartic release. He is expressing the frustration that he has always kept bottled up because of his issues.

Asuka, with her filters down, reaches up and gently touches Shinji. She is expressing the affection for him that she was always unwilling to admit because of HER issues.

And then the walls go back up. Shinji stops, and starts crying. Asuka insults him for being weak. They fall back into their old, familiar masks.

But the fact that they both opened up to each other in that moment, even if it was brief, was real. And it shows that they can grow out of this. It won't be easy, and it won't happen all at once. But they can do it.

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>>15141713

Uh oh, everyone. Be careful! We got ourselves some kinda BADASS over here

>>15141723
>posts AoT
Figures.

>>15141706
>EoE is just a big budget version of the TV ending plus shit they skip over in the TV version
The problem is its an inferior version of the TV ending and muddles everything up with the big budget visuals that doesn't really add much. EoE to me feels like Anno bought into the "2deep" meme and was just trying to appease fans that didn't like the rather blunt, anticlimactic, but logical end point of the TV anime. Everyone Anno changes the interpretation of Eva when he talks about it and always seems like he's struggling for words, I think Eva officially passed the point where he knows what people are interpreting his visuals as when he mainly included them because he thought they were cool.

>>15141713
>*autistic screeching*

>>15141725
You sure showed that guy, I wish we could all be as cool as you, anon.

>>15141178
You missed everything. Shinji does become a better person by the end. End of Eva doesn't rewrite the show ending it just recontextualizes it.

>>15141726
>HE JUST DID THE CHRISTIAN IMAGERY BECAUSE IT LOOKED COOL, HE MADE EVERYTHING UP

What it like communicating to us from the year 2009?

>>15141620
>I'm not surprised, when this board is sucking Tomino's dick for characterization.

Tomino is way ahead of Anno in character development. The thing is though, you have to look beyond Gundam and that's a high wall for sites like Ann, Animesuki, My Anime etc... and their audiences. Audiences (and their reviewers) who don't know jack squat about Tomino's works beyond Gundam with the exception of Ideon (maybe ?) because Eva supposedly references it.

>>15141817
Yeah, I don't think Tomino is way ahead of Anno in character development.

Amuro grows from an insecure kid to be a cold face soldier.

Camille becomes braindead.

Judeau stays the same.

Shinji's change is more realistic than anything Tomino have made.

>>15141713
Tough guy eh? Do you stop crime with them words?

>>15141817

I'm not sure I believe that. Tomino's work is far too operatic. Everyone is a grandiose archetype that talks like they are on a stage. People, without prompting, feel compelled be to regurgitate their backstory and motivation moments before getting into the cockpit simply because 10 minutes from now they will be dead and the script needs you to suddenly give a shit about them right now. Half of Tomino's villains are just generically insane, because they couldn't be bothered to come up with an actual reason for them to become the murderous assholes the plot needs them to be to create the final conflict.
I have trouble thinking of any Tomino written character that comes off as realistically developed. Even Amuro is just textbook heroes journey shit.

>>15141454
This fight's so fucking cool

From zeruel to Karl he wasn't bad

>>15141454
no kidding.

everyone forgets to compare the guy to their 14 year old selves.

Would you have sacrificed as much as he did at 14? I wouldn't have.

Well, i'd have sacrificed my nut all over asukas' titties..

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>>15141725
>AoT not SnK
figures.

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Rebuild does him a lot better IMO.
He's less cowardly and more apathetic, but he grows and blooms as his relationships develop. His relationship with Rei is especially well done. (the manga is a bit like this too)

I won't spoil it if anyone has yet to watch it, but he has more character in the end scene of 2.22 then he does throughout the entirety of the original series. One of my personal favorite anime/movie scenes EVER.

>>15141696
Do you think everyone on /m/ is the same person? The same people who over analyze Gundam are all the same people who discuss Eva?

You're not as smart as you think you are. You are no position to question anyone's intelligence.

>>15141830
>Shinji's change is more realistic than anything Tomino have made.
Shou and Uso felt like a real people tho.

>>15142553
Shame 3.xx walks it all back.

It's like Anoo looked at the first two Rebuilds, realized 'hey, the cast isn't shitting on Shinji as hard as they did in the TV show! I can fix that', and did it. You could claim that even GENDOU was treating him better than Misato and crew, and he was being his usual manipulative self.

>>15142634
These people use the same board.
>You're not as smart as you think you are
I don't think myself as smart, but at least I understand EVA.
>>15142637
Never know Shou, but Uso is basically a little killing machine.

He's not real.

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>this thread
>not a single kawoshin poster
>people actually understand Eva
When did you understand that /m/ is infinitely superior to /a/?

>>15144338
since 200x when I tried to "discuss" eva over there, it just spins either to gay piano or eternal war between reifags and asufags

>>15142553
>Rebuild does him a lot better IMO.

Rebuild DID him a lot better. Up to 2.22 because after that Anno decided "fuck it, let's go back to same old stupid-shinji of the tv series". In other words all the character development of the first 2 films of the rebuild were thrown overboard. And the audience ? The audience applauds Anno like the bunch of pussies they really are. I guess Shinji is just a reflection of the spinelessness of Eva's audience.

>>15141865
Theatricality doesn't preclude quality.

>>15144338
Stop sucking /m/'s dick, this thread is babby compared to /a/'s threads.

>>15144371
There is no big difference between Rebuild Shinji and TV Shinji.

Yes, even in 2.22, by that time in the TV series, Shinji was in his badass streak.

>>15144383
k

>>15144387
The only difference is that in Rebuild Shinji takes less time to become more active. Furthermore, and for me it matter, in Rebuild the characters are all less extreme. Even Asuka seems to be less psychotic. In Rebuild she seems to give less importance if people admire her or not. Misato has worsened. In Rebuild she's a total idiot and this becomes even worse when in 3:33 she transforms Shinji in her scapegoat.

Gendo has a more humane attitude until 2.22, but then 3.33 happens...

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>>15141178
He saved the world. Kinda, sorta.

I feel sorry for him more than I hate him. Then again, I see far too much of myself in him and it deeply disturbs me.

I powered through the whole series (and EoE) last night. Nothing fazed me, except Asuka at the end. I hated her, but after she tried to kill herself, I couldn't help but empathize. Then the angels killed and ate her. I'm still seeing it in my head.

Knowing how it ends I should feel better, but I don't.

While we're on the subject, I have a few questions that I couldn't answer from googling:
1. Does Rei III remember anything from II's life? She knew who Shinji was, but her relationship with him was reset to the beginning of the series and she outright said she doesn't remember dying.

2. Where does Rei I's "Old Hag" line come from? She said it was from Ikari, but she's almost gleefully twisting the knife. Yui? Where the fuck did they even get the genetic material to clone her? When she choked her to death, was it some sort of contact experiment? She lost her mind immediately afterwards.

3. Why did Unit-00 go berserk? Ritsuko was pretty sure it wanted to kill her. Was it her mother?

4. Did Misato shoot Kaji? She was inconsolable as soon as she got home, but how could she know for sure whether he died? She might've been playing the spy game as well. She also told him that he was the only one she ever slept with, but it's not entirely clear if Makoto's affections for her are entirely one-sided. Clearly she mourned for him, but it what really set her off was hearing his love confession on the answering machine. Then again, that would destroy anyone regardless. For the record I don't think so, but there was enough ambiguity for me to question it.

>>15144451
>I'm still seeing it in my head.
The only segment in EoE that makes me really uncomfortable isn't any of the crazier parts, but the scenes of JSDF invading the geofront.

Maybe because it's somehow more "real", but also the downright sadistic mentality the soldiers have when gunning down people who are like mall guards compared to them in terms of skill.

>>15144458
I had flashbacks of Black Mesa. I have my crowbar ready.

>>15144446
Rebuild is too fucking rushed and weird for anything meaningful to happen.

1.11 to date is still the best because it's just an enhanced copy.

>>15144458
That gives me operating boner actually.

Cleaning house with flamethrower, I guess they can't just napalm it.

>>15144462
1.11 holds everything you need, while 22.2 fully respects the the key moments of mid season tv.
It seems to me that only Asuka fans complain about 2.22 because she's the one that has less space than Rey or Shinji.

>>15143448
Uso spent 8 years of his life to train to kill people.

Shou starts out as a shy young man, Which he over comes later on. He has troubles expressing his feeling for Marvel.

>>15144666
Shou seems like the average anime protag but
Uso, as much as I like him, is not what I call a realistic 12 year old.

>>15144378

But it does preclude realism, which is the topic at hand.

Whether or not Tomino writes GOOD characters is largely irrelevant to the question of whether he writes REALISTIC characters.

>>15144670
League Militaire didn't had any men to sent off to fight. The only unrealistic thing about him is his parents knew that he was a newtype.

As for Shou, He isn't like Kou/Shinji/Hikaru who drops his spaghetti all the time.

>>15144451

1: Rei III only remembers Rei II's life up to a point. You know that big machines that Gendo kept putting Rei in? That did two things. The first was to stabilize her body, and the second was to back-up her memories. Like creating a save file.
This is why Rei III remembers Shinji, but not her own death. Gendo's most recent 'save' of her was recent enough that she remembered most of what happened, but was for obvious reasons before the fight against Armisael, so anything that happened after that last save (including that fight and her death) is lost.
On top of that, the 'saved memories' don't seem to mean as much to Rei III as they did to Rei II. Its not just Shinji she acs coldly to, her loyalty to Gendo is also greatly reduced.
Think of the memory imprint as like watching an event on TV as opposed to being there in person. You basically know what happened, but it doesn't impact you in nearly the same way. This is also why Gendo treated Rei so differently after her death: he know that she was just an imitation of the girl he cared for and raised for so long.

2: Presumably its something Gendo said. Its hard to say if Rei I was really being that big a bitch about it, because we were seeing the scene from Ritsuko's mom's perspecive, and what Rei said drove her to kill.
Its ambiguous if Ritsuko's mom actually killed herself. Gendo might have pushed her to her death after he found out.

3: We actually don't know anything about Unit-00. We don't even know whose soul is in it, presuming it has one.
One theory is that its the soul of Rei I in an attempt to save it, and it goes berserk and attacks the observation window because it thinks Ritsuko is her mom. Or that it is Ritsuko's mom, and its trying to kill Gendo specifically. Not a lot to go on here, really.

4: Its never explicitly stated, but a lot of people think that yes. Her grief makes sense either way, but there is a non-zero chance that Misato was force to kill Kaji.

>>15144712
Hey, someone responded!

2. I wondered that too. At first I thought she threw herself over the edge, but you hear the gunshot. Also interesting perspective, but the series hasn't really used an unreliable narrator before, has it?

4. I checked to see his reaction to the assassin's arrival. He knew who it was, was expecting them, but he didn't really have a positive or negative attitude. If it was her, I'd expect him to be all smiles. Supposedly word of god is that it wasn't her.

>>15141178
Basically no.

NGE is a troublesome mess; the animation is gorgeous; its mystery is on-point; the characters are well-designed but don't have the personalities to carry it off.

Keep in mind people have written books about NGE; you'll never get a solid answer from an imageboard. There's too much to say, too much potential that was lost. Some people say they "gender-swapped" the main characters; some say they're a politically charged criticism of the then-current Japanese populace, some say they're parallels to Jungian psychology. Either way, like a lot of Gainax productions, the back end of the series wasn't even finalized in concept before they began airing the first episode. Like Gurren Lagann (whose prologue begins with a totally different foreshadowing to the actual conclusion of the story) and to a lesser extent GunBuster (episode 6 is entirely black and white, probably deliberately but some have suggested they ran out of budget), I strongly suspect that they had the series planned up to a certain point (my guess, up to episode 20's strong climax) and after that had to scramble an ending together. This explains the unexplainable and random plot elements: the exploding EVA 04; Kaji's killer; SEELE's true nature; etc. They managed to claw back some interest with the Kaworu story but ultimately it ends on a mental note rather than telling us what happens in the physical world.

So essentially, the show suffered from its own popularity and that, ironically, stunted its own growth. That's why today Eva is just a media franchise concerned with selling the latest naked Rei model and sponsoring the latest shitting Samsung phone (Japan only).

>>15144751

It hasn't used an unreliable narrator in quite that sense, but one of the reasons why the plot of Eva comes off as so convoluted is that every time a character starts infodumping the plot, their either only have part of the puzzle and are getting some stuff wrong, or are still intentionally holding back information from who they are speaking to and thus giving an incomplete or misleading picture.

If you take everything everyone says as word of god, you run into contradictions. Because Gendo knows he is constantly being monitored by Seele and can't discuss his plans openly without code, and Misato even during EoE is still only seeing half the picture and guessing at the rest.

>>15144758
>That's why today Eva is just a media franchise concerned with selling the latest naked Rei model and sponsoring the latest shitting Samsung phone (Japan only).

Well, that and it made the mistake of being very popular but ending in such a way that sequels are virtually impossible. Your only real options for making another Eva show is an AU (the Gundam solution), or retelling/time travel story (The Rebuild solution), or a straight-up prequel. And I feel like I would be the only person who would genuinely enjoy a short series following the Katsuragi Expedition and their studies of Adam, culminating in a terrible betrayal and the heroic sacrifice that starts Second Impact but saves the rest of the world.

>>15144767
I wouldn't mind the slice of life that Shinji imagined. Isn't that one of the mangas anyway?

>>15141703
I liked your post, especially
>Shinji is the sort of guy who won't lift a finger in his own defense, but if you tell him that the lives of others depend on him he will move heaven and earth.
I don't agree with you entirely though; Shinji has the potential to become that person but I'd argue he never quite does.
The reason for that is that, as a fourteen year old, he doesn't grasp wide-reaching implications of the situation. He doesn't think about the NERV base in Germany. He doesn't think about civilians in Tokyo-3 even. It's natural; every fourteen year old is that way because the brain hasn't fully grown into itself and the world yet, and Shinji's particular growth was a little stunted.
I think Eva portrays depression very well; but when it's juxtaposed with a literal world-ending apocalypse like it is in EoE it's very jarring to the audience - he just sits there whilst soldiers are shooting everyone. No depressed person would do that. No, I'm sorry, you may think they would, but depression's not like that. You do that in your own time, alone, but when shit happens, you hide it. If you decide to kill yourself, you do it on your own terms. It doesn't fit into that part.

One final note; Shinji is literally forced to get into the Eva at the end - Misato fucking drags him all the way there; pushes him into the lift and then the Eva itself breaks through solid bakelite to cram him into the cockpit. There is no point where he actively gets in.

>>15144761
Right, but IIRC we're seeing that scene directly as it happened; it's not a retelling. That's why the gunshot was ambiguous, to confuse the audience.

>>15144767
>Well, that and it made the mistake of being very popular but ending in such a way that sequels are virtually impossible.
Yeah. But for me, I prefer those kinds of stories. I can't handle capeshit because it never fucking ends. Batman's been around for 50+ years and he's the same age. I preferred the Nolan trilogy because it actually went somewhere and ended with a message to its audience. GunBuster ended; its sequel is more an indirect homage. Gurren Lagann ended. It didn't need more. Those stories are the best. What happens to the characters afterwards? It's up to you. Take the lesson from the show and go live your life.

>>15144786

I agree, actually. Its one of the reasons I watch as much anime as I do: stories have actual goddamn arcs and endings in a way that western television largely doesn't, because every season has to leave the door open for a continuation.

But from Gainax's perspective, they created some of the biggest shit anyone had ever seen and they did it in such a way that they couldn't continue it without retreading ground. They still did it in all sorts of side manga and games and whatnot, but they really can't escape the initial setup and characters.

Granted, modern Gainax would just mess it up if they tried anyway. All the people who made it special have moved on. As for Khara, at this point we would be lucky just to see Rebuild reach a conclusion, and I don't think God himself could make that ending actually satisfying.

>>15144776
> One final note; Shinji is literally forced to get into the Eva at the end - Misato fucking drags him all the way there; pushes him into the lift and then the Eva itself breaks through solid bakelite to cram him into the cockpit. There is no point where he actively gets in.

Eh. Misato has to drag him to the elevator, and Unit 01 DOES break out of the bakelite, but we never see Unit 01 force him to board, and Shinji doesn't seem to be actingly like a giant robot crammed him into itself against his will. Unless that happened and he is just taking it really, really well.

>>15144786
The trick is to only follow certain authors, especially ones that are known for their self-contained stories.

Fraction's Hawkeye is a good example of that. That said, capeshit examples are rather far and few between.

>>15144698
>League Militaire didn't had any men to sent off to fight. The only unrealistic thing about him is his parents knew that he was a newtype.
So they just recruited a boy genius who spent 8 years on simulation to kill people, that's super realistic.

Are you fucking kidding?
>As for Shou, He isn't like Kou/Shinji/Hikaru who drops his spaghetti all the time.
And? He's still a shy young man who finds it hard to express his feelings, a very common MC archetype.

>>15144758
Please explain how the EVA characters don't have enough personalities to carry it off?

Like jesus christ, is /m/ getting dumb and dumber?

>>15144838
>So they just recruited a boy genius
He's not a genius.
> a very common MC archetype.
Dunbine was made in 1983, I don't think there was anyone with that archetype back then.

>>15144859
>He's not a genius.
Yeah, he's just a 12 year old ace who got all his skill through simulation.
>Dunbine was made in 1983, I don't think there was anyone with that archetype back then.
Gundam was even older than Dunbine, and Amuro is that archetype.

>>15144865
>12 year old ace
13
He jobbed hard in both Shokew & V2
>Gundam was even older than Dunbine, and Amuro is that archetype.
Shou wasn't insecure like Amuro was.

>>15144881
>He jobbed hard in both Shokew & V2
He didn't job in his Victory, he bested the BESPA team despite his only skills prior was simulation.
>Shou wasn't insecure like Amuro was.
That makes him a totally different character then. Please.

>>15144884
>He didn't job in his Victory, he bested the BESPA team despite his only skills prior was simulation.
He knew the ins & outs of his own MS. It also didn't help that only the V gundam can do crazy shit like turning it's head in 180 or disassemble itself.

>>15144884
>That makes him a totally different character then.
Amuro lashes out on his anger due to stress.

Shou does not.

>>15144912
Oh okay, that's super realistic, m8. A kid who knows all about his MS kicks ass of well-known veterans.

This is /m/ after all, eternal Tomino's dicksucker.

>>15144915
I don't really for the reason Amuro lashes out, I'm saying Amuro and Shou share the same "awkward teenager" archetype, that's well-founded in anime.

>>15144916
Oh come on anon, It's not like any other gundam before it could do these things.

>>15144923
So? A kid shouldn't be able to beat one, let alone multiple veterans, especially when he have never fought before.

Usso is the equivalence of giving a CoD kid a gun and send him against russian troops.

>>15144918
>I don't really for the reason Amuro lashes out
Bright, Since hardly anyone calls out on Shou's BS, He doesn't have to.
>So? A kid shouldn't be able to beat one, let alone multiple veterans, especially when he have never fought before.
The first thing you learn about the V1 that is unorthodox, Which fucks people up.
>Usso is the equivalence of giving a CoD kid a gun and send him against russian troops.
That's Kamile

>>15144927
More like a kid who played a much Falcon 4.0 a real Viper and sending him against Chinese flankers.

Usso had a simulator, not a game system.

>>15144941
>Bright, Since hardly anyone calls out on Shou's BS, He doesn't have to.
Does not change the point.
>The first thing you learn about the V1 that is unorthodox, Which fucks people up.
It's still just an MS, m8.
>That's Kamile
But Usso is basically that, he just got off simulation and he bested actual veterans, that is not realistic.

>>15144949
No, there's a severe difference between being a cod kiddie and having six thousand hours of sim time.

If you told me some 16 year old who spent his childhood playing Falcon 4.0 managed to shoot down three J-11s I'd buy it.

>>15144949
Also
>actual veterans
Of WHAT, BESPA was green as hell.

>>15144952
>>15144958
Then I have no word but "keep sucking Tomino's dick" I guess.

The people around here will excuse anything Tomino wrote.

>>15144947
Man, maybe the USAF should learn from Tomino.

You would have hundreds of super pilots in no time.

>>15144949
>Does not change the point.
Amuro wasn't shy tho, Just awkward. Something Shou wasn't
>It's still just an MS, m8.
It's a fucking Gundam. It's naturally going to be strong.
>But Usso is basically that, he just got off simulation and he bested actual veterans, that is not realistic.
8 years of it, along with learning how to aim, learning the specs of the V gundam .etc

>>15144973
That's exactly what they do. Thousands of sin hours, and then a few hundred flight hours before another few thousand sim hours before they go out and fly again, rinse/repeat.

>>15144927

As I distinctly recall, most of Zanscare's soldiers hadn't fought a proper battle either.

>>15141471
deadbeat? did I fucking miss something??

anons I just got done binge watching the whole series and finished death and rebirth last night- I just don't get it.

>>15145322
Did you not watch End of Evangelion?

>>15145350
I just steamed through the whole series then watched death and rebirth.

>>15144383
>this thread is babby compared to /a/'s threads
Yeah, no
>constant waifushit wars about rei and asuka

I'll stay here thank you very much.

>>15145401
Go watch End of Evangelion. That's the real ending.

>>15145259
If they do fly real jets then it is not the same as Tomino's. Uso outperforms simply due to mech and simulation.
>>15145406
/a/'s Eva threads contain actual information and discussion jnstead of /m/'s retarded hurr why does Shinji suck back and forth.

>>15146066
Is there just a proper time of day to discuss Eva on /a/ because literally every thread there I have ever seen is just whining about who is better Asuka or Rei and all sorts of talk about Shinji being ultra gay for Kawrou, maybe its just bad luck on my part but I have never once seen a worthwhile Eva discussion with proper debate or info on /a/

>>15146066
>>15147407

The best place to discuss Eva is /tg/. Its board related because of they make an Evangelion RPG, and they actually talk about the plot and setting and mythos.

They are not as invested in super robots as /m/, so they don't complain about how Shinji isn't a super robot pilot.

And they don't obsess over waifus, because Asuka and Rei are not monstergirls.

>>15147407
Just create a thread with a worthwhile question and they will discuss.

/a/ actually plays shit like Eva 64 and they read interviews and shit so their knowledge is leagues above /m/.

Even their waifu discussion is much deeper than /m/ because they analyze the characters in Anno's perspective.

>>15147414
Sounds promising! Although something that I never quite understood was why so many people got hung up on Shinji never "maning up" and acting like a traditional super robot pilot I for one found his conviction to save others in spite of his flaws and meek nature rather endearing

>>15147433
Shinji manned up like 2 times in the show.

People just don't like how he retreats in the last part of the show.

>>15147437
What I meant when I said "Maning up" was a more traditional take on it the fact that people complain about his attitude and personality remaining the same despite the fact that it really is what makes him distinct and interesting.

>>15144451
4.
>but how could she know for sure
Because she's been held by security guys for quite a while at this point, she understands the purpose behind her sudden release, and she knows what "The problem has been resolved" means in context.

At any rate, it's mentioned in the film book that the person who did the deed was just some unnamed intelligence officer from either Nerv or Seele.

>>15144786
>>15144812
This >>15144826 so much. Disregard characterfags on /co/-related matters. More helpful people will recommend runs by specific writers, or arcs, or sometimes certain periods if there's more than one good writer on a series. "Moore's run on Swamp Thing" or "Grant Morrison's Animal Man" and so on. You can take these as self-contained series, because they tend to have clear beginnings and ends, and are usually more tonally consistent because they aren't a revolving door of different writers.

I'll just leave this here
https://youtu.be/NAMAwErYRpQ

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Eva is hard to watch at times. Not because it was bad or anything. It's my favorite anime. But I relate to Shinji more than any other character in anything. The whole idea of doing what's right and doing what you want is something I still go through today. His relationships with Asuka, Misato, and Rei are very similar to the relationships I've had with people in my life. Watching it always brings me back to how I felt during certain times in my life. I feel frustrated watching it and it makes me wonder if that's the feeling Anno was going for. Maybe Shinji isn't a great character to everyone. But maybe he was never meant to appeal to everyone.

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>>15144693
I think that writing a "realistic" character is kinda hard thing to even discuss.

I mean every act's very differently to different situations. I know people who would act like kamille and go full sperg while fighting but I also know people who would act like shinji.

I think a main issue with tomino's characters not being "realistic" is their dialogue being hella weird. Then again it is the future soooo eh.

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Uso not only had simulations but also flew planes and shit before hand

If I recall correctly kamille said Mobile suits fly similarly to aircraft AKA why it isn't weird for him to switch to mobile suit to wave rider mode.

>>15141178
>Am I missing something here?
Nope, What you see is what you get.