Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 2nd Season

So when does it resume? This week?

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>>15098722
Remember

>>15098728
EP14: 04d 05h 31m 16s

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>>15098722

Just caught up to this. This fight was pretty great.

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>>15098729

Why is /m/ so hipster when it comes to this show? This is what Gundam should fucking be. Gritty, manly mecha action with a sprinkle of well handled politics with mature characters and a story that doesn't revolve around some kid in an OP suit whining about UNDERSTANDING. You guys have no fucking taste.

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>>15098877
I think it's all the shirtless boys. It's making /m/ strangely tumescent.

>>15098877
>not muh gundam
Seriously. That's all it really is.

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>>15098877

>>15098877
I like IBO and even through i know it does some bad stuff overall i think it's a pretty decent show

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I want a bracelet.

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>>15098905
This anon gets it!

>>15098877
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15098917
I want Atra's ASS.

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>>15098877
>This is what Gundam should fucking be
Pls no...

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>>15099013
I want a beach OVA.

>>15099027
Kudelia AINA BERNSTEIN really fucked up Season 1 but at least we had great mech designs out of it like original Barbatos, Grimgerde, Graze-Ein and the Pepe Zaku.

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>gets a fancy new mech
>gets a bit of character development in MA arc
so how soon are they going to drop him?

>>15099117

Near the end when Vidar decides shove his blade boot up Tekkadan's ass

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You this guy had a painful death?

>>15099029
all these /ss/ doujin are fucking great

>>15098877
Shounen fillers aren't /m/

>>15098877
>a sprinkle of well handled politics
caricature villains talking about world domination is not "well handled politics"
SEED had better politics than IBO.
let that sink in.

>mature characters
Sure if you're coming out of reading children's books I can see why edgy murder manlet would seem mature to you.

>Gritty, manly mecha action
If only it had the choreography and quality to convey this.

>>15098877
S1 was really poorly handled. The pacing was bad, the repetitive cycle of character focus was worse. For a while there every episode was mostly "Orga looks uncomfortable trying to lead, Biscuit explains some politics, Mika eats some dates, Kudelia angsts internally about being useless, then someone gives her a pep talk and she's fine." and whatever minor increment in the plot was tossed with it. That soured a lot of people and for good reason. As much a sin as it may be to run your show into a trainwreck, trainwrecks are at least entertaining. Boring people to death showing them basically the same thing over and over with only minor advancement is far worse.

This season has been better, but it's still painfully slow at times, and that arc with Takaki telegraphed its every move so hard it hurt.

>>15099171
Nah, he's okay. He'll show up next episode with a light tan and bandaged ribs.

>>15099233
It's a sad day indeed when SEED has better politics, Try has better choreography, and Wing has better characterization.

>>15099225
Filler is a long standing /m/ signature though

>>15099247
Not when it becomes an entire show that has 2 seasons with hardly any robots on top of having the most generic slice of life tropes at the helm.

>>15099254
S2 is ok
S1 was shit

>>15099254
Filler implies there was something there to start with. The show is just lackluster, don't give it more credit than it's due.

>>15099254
Still though filler is /m/ as fuck

Been around since Mazinger Z

>>15099263
My bad. I guess it's hard to say what IBO is other than boring or stupid. Either way it feels like it hates coming from an /m/ franchise and wants to be more of /a/ power fantasy. Its still bad at being both though.

>>15099272
I wouldn't call it filler though, it's more episodic story telling. Filler implies it has no relevance to the overall plot which IBO keeps doing with long pauses of Pokemon dialogue to fill air time.

>>15099247
>>15099272
GOOD filler can be amazing, like that filler ep in GBF S1 that was just one long stream of cameos. It was retarded in context of the larger show but was a glorious bit of Gundam-wank. Or you get something like Bleach's Zanpakuto Rebellion arc that was a ludicrous idea yet a glorious exercise in weapon personification. Also, snake-monkey T&A. Heck, I'd almost think IBO's main line is so boring that a side arc could ONLY be freeing and let the staff cut loose and amaze us, but no. It just gets MORE plodding and slow.

>>15098877
IBO is not what gundam should be and regularly isn't.

IBO is one of the most horribly paced Gundam shows to date. On top of being one of the most boring/repetitive.

>Kudelia as a character
>Iok as a character
>CRANK NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>2 episodes of set up for 1 action set piece (which usually isn't even worth it)
>no compelling characters
>Mika is just a weird psychopath who's sole interesting quality is the fact that he looses limb function
>mika is almost never challenged and just wins fights by being brutal (hasn't even lost a battle in 38 eps)
>mafia stuff doesnt need to be there and is just another faction to take up screentime
>Fight Choreography and tactics are weaker than even Build Fighters
>animation issues
>Shitty upgrades (6th form barbatos is the ugliest "upgrade" I've ever seen)
>Because of the lack of fights MS go underutilized (Kimaris did fuck all during S1) (Guison basically got 1 fight)

The best things about IBO are the Soundtrack and some of the MS designs. Otherwise it's one of the weakest AU entries along with Try and AGE.

>>15099287
Also the cast is too big.

Way too many characters go underused, or get like a couple lines over the span of many episodes. Which dont help in establishing character relationships or just a strong cast in general.

>>15099287
>mika is almost never challenged and just wins fights by being brutal (hasn't even lost a battle in 38 eps

Now, speaking fairly, I don't think the core issue is that he hasn't lost a fight, because ultimately the narrative must propel itself onward and Gundam is not the franchise to experiment with killing off its leads. If any lead outright lost a fight, they'd probably be dead.

The central problem is more the lack of challenge or exertion on Mika's behalf than anything else. The fight with Hashmal was the most intense battle he's had the entire show, and he still barely deviated from his usual flat stoicism aside from raising his voice for the first time in months.

>>15099287
>Kudelia as a character

Kudelia is a good fuck.

>>15099300
Yeah now that I think about it most protags havent really lost fights throughout thier shows (though I can remember some strategic retreats).

I think it's his nonchalant attitude to literally everything that bugs me

>Mobile Armor wakes up that no one's laid eyes on for hundreds of years and is clearly super dangerous
>Looks back at the camera with the same face as usual like he's unimpressed or something

>>15099312

Well that's kind of funny, because I honestly liked his genuine awed astonishment when he saw Hashmal activate, and then I thought that might translate into Mika feeling as though he's having the fight of his life in the eventual face-off.

But, well, we know what happened.

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>>15099300
There was the bit with Ein in the S1 finale, in that he kept getting knocked on his ass and frowning about it, couldn't seem to get traction at all until the last minute, when he pushed so deep into Barbatos's ability he gave himself an aneurysm. There was, briefly, the bit with Kimaris where he could do little more than sit there getting swiped because he couldn't keep up with it. And there was, briefly, that bit where he got riled against the mobile armor.

I think it's not so much that Mika is somehow amazingly strong or that he never loses, or hasn't been 'challenged'. It's that the fights tend to be lifeless, in large part due to his lack of reactions, and that often when bad stuff DOES happen, it's put on the rest of the cast. Most Gundam shows the supporting cast is just in the background and all the trials and tribulations of the battle are focused on the lead and his straining to use whatever gift. IN IBO, Mika often has about equal screentime with the other pilots, and hasn't really racked up the kinds of kill counts we're used to seeing. It's like he sleepwalks through the fights, when he even gets to be on screen at all, and that robs them of tension even when he's getting shut down.

>>15099327
He raised his voice for the first time we seen.

Considering his character, who can say he wasn't having the time of his life?

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>>15098877
>Pic related is what Gundam should fucking bE

FTFY

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>>15099035
>Pepe Zaku.
It has two eyes and a Gundam frame.
Your argument is invalid.

>>15099240
>S1 was really poorly handled. The pacing was bad, the repetitive cycle of character focus was worse.
It might be something you have to watch all at once.

I powered through the first season and I have no qualms about it at all. None.

>>15099499

Yeah i did the same and had only few issues in regarding the pacing. I can understand why people took issue with it though.

>>15099368
I think he's talking about the Man Rodi

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>>15099308
She's a virgin tho

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>>15099117
Soon.

>>15099869
So she's tight
Nice

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>>15100158
W-what do you m-mean Anon?

>>15099869
She won't be after Mika puts his hammer in her Alaya-Vijnana

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What do you guys think of the new barbie?

>>15100494

Eventually the head will be nothing but a giant v-fin with a red chin.

>>15100500
im ok with that

>>15100494
Is that supposed to be the new one?

It doesn't look any different

>>15099499
>>15099570
I binged it too but i totally hated the pacing, maybe not as bad as everyone else but it just felt like such a drag

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BEST COUPLE

>>15100530
it has a light blue collar now
the gem on the v fin is black instead of blue
the gem is not surrounded fully by the v fin now instead that part prongs out into 2 spikes
it has square piece on the shoulders

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>>15100558
rong

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>>15100494
It's red chin got a little bigger, It suit the demon Barbatos I guess

>>15100494
>What do you guys think of the new barbie?Same barbie with a new hat. I wonder why the arms are bigger now. Is Mika going to wield a sword bigger than the Grimgerde's, or just focus on rip and tear?

>>15100618
i hope its rip and tear
it looks beefy

>>15100644
Watch it go berserk like eva 01

>>15100568
shoujo bishounen

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>>15100618
probably big weapon, heimwige reincar has large hands too.
pic related.

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Neat

https://my.mixtape.moe/wplubd.mp4

>>15100873
I approve

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Hekija Box

Do we know anything about the new unit Julietta will pilot?

>>15100961
Does anyone even care about this mech? Would it be okay for it to debut next ep and then get rekt in 41 with Lafter dying as the spoilers predict?

>>15099287
>>mika is almost never challenged and just wins fights by being brutal (hasn't even lost a battle in 38 eps)
G-Reco did it too but at least had the courtesy of looking GOOD while doing it.
IBO has the worst animation of any Gundam since SEED Destiny, even AGE was better.

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>>15100984
We know someone is kicking the bucket in episode 41, but no idea who is actually dying of course it could all be a ruse, all we know is that some guy said Atra and Lafter were his favorites and then they told him to brace himself.

But overall no I’m not really hyped for the new turbines MS

>>15098722
I haven't been keeping up with this show, but what happened to the Grimgerde? Is it no longer being used?

I happend to watch the latest episode to see what was going on with IBO, but best suit is nowhere to be seen.

That fight with the MA was actually kind off cool, whatever you say about this show atleast the sound direction is really good, also the OP is fucking great.

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>>15100558
Double dubs confirm.

>>15099287
>tfw lost interest halfway through s1 due to depression
>tfw it's not even worth catching up

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>>15101004
Sadly, not sure if its confirmed but it seems Grimgerde is no more, it got refurbished into the Helmwige Reincar, it seems McGillis is getting Gundam Bael soon

>>15101003
It was actually two different dudes, the one who waifued Atra and Lafter didn't go to the studio. I can't into moon so are you saying the thin one, the waifufag was told by the fatty bowlcut he needs to brace himself? In that case the ep may be ending on a clifhanger suggesting Lafter dying and then she turns fine the next ep. Althogh nip twitter noticed that Aston lines up with Masahiro so a girl dying would line up with Fumitan.

>>15100961

Wow I was absolutely positive this would be Big Pimpin's mech.

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>>15098877
I say this not as a guundam or mecha fan, but as a general anime fan this has serious problems not just in writing and atrocious characters, but the production values (ESPECIALLY something from Sunrise and their flagship franchise) are extremely low quality. Most episodes have no action to them, something not even Destiny, Age, G-Reco, or Try are guilty of for all their faults. One of the most important qualities of a war story is to have the war a serious part of the setting and it barely is. Not only that, but the protagonists are presented as "heroic", but in actuality not only make things worse for their entire species, but have no interest in fixing anything. On top of that they draw whatever very few interesting plot points exist for too many episodes. You could easily reduce this to a third of its run time and all the important parts will remain intact, that is a classic sign of padding/filler/whatever.

>>15101046
>One of the most important qualities of a war story
It's a post war story though.
>the protagonists are presented as "heroic"
The protagonists have literally defined themselves as not being heroic.

>watches ep 37
>notices that the ground on Mars isn't red

How do you screw up this bad?

>>15101067
We have no idea what process or terraforming was used and they will never tell us, so whatever happen there is responsible of how the planet looks

>>15101074
>aka bad writing

>>15101067
>he think Mars is literally red
Wow, retarded.

>>15101078
Ah, a troll, forget it then.

>>15101081
t. Anime Suki

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>>15100971

Yeah i'm surprised nobody has mentioned anything about this until now.

Has there been anything announced in the product line that alludes to Julieta possibly getting her own new Mobile Suit?

Perhaps the next OP will reveal exactly what that machine is they're talking about.

>>15101056
>The protagonists have literally defined themselves as not being heroic.

Not that anon, but there is a difference between characters saying they're not heroic and the show making them out to be heroic. IBO is rather enamored with it's heroes and at times doesn't seem to realize how it comes across to the viewer. Like, I'm sure that scene with Makanai this season (where he says he couldn't stand if Chad died defending him) was put in to combat people calling him a POS over his actions in season one.

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the amount of QUALITY is irritating

>>15101086
Oh it's you

Where have you been?

>>15101096
Treating his persecution complex, unsuccessfully.

>>15101096
I never left, Evageeks

>>15100989
Nope, Destiny had better animation and didn't go down hill until the last third, IBO never even made it up hill

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I want a poster of this

>>15101117
Destiny had horrible animation, that's one of its defining characteristics because the majority of the fights are just stock animation re-use.

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>>15099368
He's talking about this you muppet

>>15100961
Not a big fan of the colors, but I like the V2 Gundam-esque thrusters.

>>15101233
>Destiny had horrible animation
Go back to Mecha Talk

>>15101246
what the hell are you on, THAT ORIGINATED FROM /m/

The entire reason /m/ exists as a board is because of Destiny

>>15101250
>newfags believe this

>>15101246
Fuck off snapfit.

>>15101272
I'm not snapfit, ANN

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>>15101234

>>15101286
After seeing the Landman Rodi I kinda wanna mod my Gusion into a Land Gusion

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>>15101286

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>>15101392

>>15101286
>>15101392
>>15101396
Why again did this hunka hunka lose to Miki?

>>15101416
Katana stronk

>>15101416
But that's a Landman Rodi. Not the Brewers mook suit Man Rodi or the Gusion.

>>15101429
It IS the mook suit modified for ground combat.

They just pulled out most of Guts brother and his friends and started using them.

>>15101416
It got slashed across the cockpit with that big ole chopper of his from up close, maybe it's just super effective.

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>>15100494
That blue jewel on the crest is going to be a camera now?

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>>15101608

>>15101608
>>15101611

I don't want my queen to die

It feels like a few of the people complaining about "lifeless" characters have never been around stoic people in their life and haven't learned how to pick up on small social ques.

Is it autism?

>>15099233
>caricature villains talking about world domination is not "well handled politics"
who

>>15101611
>laundry clips on its shoulders
>bottle openers for feet
Now that's a mecha that has everything a wife needs.

>>15101608
Hekija looks to be the Teiwaz end game state of the art MS.

>>15101630
Iok is probably going to get her killed.

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>>15101019
What the fuck

>>15101608
>>15101611
Looks like something from Gasaraki.

I like it.

>>15101046
Thats because ibo is not a war story. S1 was an escort mission.

>>15101841
By the end it was getting close.

>>15101707
Not him, but it could be Tekkadan, McGillis or Gjallarhorn.

>>15101704
If we're talking about just Mikazuki then that's fine. Unfortunately for you we're not because all the characters are lifeless and only act the role they're given. Real people or actually decent characters aren't like that, they can act differently in a different situation, can interact more and have their own thoughts. When the IBO characters do that it's always on que when the scene obviously calls for it. Other than that, they're just extras behind a stoic main, which dulls everything down. A lot of times people overthink the scene when there's nothing more to it. It sucks because the audience are hyping it up when the show is being lazy. I've been around a lot of stoic people and yet they have more presence than the Pokemon in IBO.

>>15102184

This guy and this mech are the biggest jobbers in IBO.

>>15102202
nah

>>15102178
>>15102184
It's already 2017, why Gundam games still have shitty graphics?

>>15102204
Only other things that job in IBO would be the Graze Grunts, new pirates, he pirate Murder Midgets and their Muscled Master.

Nobody was expecting much from them

>>15102215
>why Gundam games still have shitty graphics?

Because every game in Japan now is a shitty mobile game

>>15101286
It's amazing how a new pair of legs can make a design so much better.

>>15102204
Some asswipe with a huge sword had no business winning against a MA.

>>15102307

He could have at least done more than stand around like a retard.

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cutie

>>15102313
And he did

But the MA made short work of him McGillis and Julieta

>>15098899
this pic.
Our retarded ANN SJW is back

>>15102322
>This kid would look so good in Almiria's clothes.

>>15101836
I love this shot but have you luv ever actually seen gassraki? I see what you mean cause of the head but what nigga

>>15102326
That whole scene is retarded anyway. All they had to do is cut the tail, but they wanted to preserve the whole MA so Mika could have shitty moment.

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>>15098877
>This is what Gundam should fucking be.

>>15102322
RUN MIKA RUN!!!!

Oh wait. . . R.I.P booty

>>15102178
Man, Shino just exudes sexiness, and the skintight flight suit definitely helps.

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>>15102096
I don''t think that people looking for control or stability are necessarily villains, even if it's just because they really proud assholes, you know.

McGillis is an interesting case however, and I'm interested in seeing how they handle him. He's shown he's capable of manipulating people and throwing them away, but it almost seemed like he felt remorse when he threw away Gaelio, he mentioned he was the only person he could call a friend, right? Many ways to take that of course, but at the start of season 2 he calmed down and seems to work toward his goals a bit more honestly. He even starts to warm up to Mika and the other Tekkandan runts, because he feels like their similar to his idol.

The only character I feel is truly villainous is Galan. He's such a warm person and can earn the trust of anyone, but it seemed like inside he was dead and didn't feel any remorse for actions.

>>15102202
You wrote a really long essay to say nothing, aniki.

How'd you do in literature classes? It seems like you have extreme difficulty making inferences.

>>15098877
>Gritty, manly mecha action with a sprinkle of well handled politics with mature characters and a story that doesn't revolve around some kid in an OP suit whining about UNDERSTANDING
None of which are present in Iron Menstruation

>>15102725
>McGillis is an interesting case however, and I'm interested in seeing how they handle him. He's shown he's capable of manipulating people and throwing them away, but it almost seemed like he felt remorse when he threw away Gaelio, he mentioned he was the only person he could call a friend, right? Many ways to take that of course, but at the start of season 2 he calmed down and seems to work toward his goals a bit more honestly.
No he is still lying to the rest of the seven stars.

>He even starts to warm up to Mika and the other Tekkandan runts, because he feels like their similar to his idol.
Did it show anything with anyone other than Mika?

He looks like he is slowly going off the deep end. First episode of S2 he corrected his assistant saying he no longer had friends and the latest he started a rant when he found he was alive.

>The only character I feel is truly villainous is Galan. He's such a warm person and can earn the trust of anyone, but it seemed like inside he was dead and didn't feel any remorse for actions.

He essentially gave up everything for control and stability.
Why would he feel any remorse? Did Tekkadan for anyone in Gjallarhorn?

This is a beef I have with the show, Mikazuki. I get it, he's fucked up. But the thing is, I can't help but feel that the show is deliberately avoiding him and his issues, yet him and his relationship with Orga is supposed to be one of the driving forces behind the narrative. Mikazuki is one of the driving factors in pushing down Tekkadan whatever road they are on (I've seen people say it's a road to hell but I have my doubts the show has the balls), but it's never really addressed as Orga keeps going down this path no matter what the cost.

The only thing I can really take away from it is that by focusing on the extras, it's supposed to show more of the organization and how they react, in addition to being more likable characters. But there is no conflict there, just people going along with the flow. Well, except for Takaki realizing seeing what was going on and leaving rather than being the new Biscuit to temper Mika's influence on Orga. Hush could have been interesting, but he's nothing more than another person to shill just how awesome Mika is.

I just get a feeling that the show is afraid to tackle the muder hobo, out of fear that he would be off-putting to audiences.

>>15102758

He honestly bores the shit out of me because he's flat as fuck and boringly strong.

>>15102202
>que
do you mean 'cue'?

>>15102730

There'd be more on the subject of subtle inferences if Mika actually made them on a regular basis.

>>15102768

He's fundamentally an excellent idea for a Gundam protagonist, but the show gives him so painfully little to capitalize on for development or exploration that he's just there 95% of the time.

I don't know why Japanese writers attempt so often to write stories about things they know nothing about, child soldiers in this case.

>>15102777
>>He's fundamentally an excellent idea for a Gundam protagonist,

This show has a lot of great ideas and then somehow just does the worst possible thing with all of them---nothing.

>>15102749
I like you.

>No he is still lying to the rest of the seven stars.
Indeed, but we've also see that there's at least three factions in the Seven Stars, and at least two of them are lying to the third. The third appears to be the one full of incompetent people that like having power that they don't use properly.

>Did it show anything with anyone other than Mika?
Yeah, I believe it was when he sees the rest of Tekkadan fighting, maybe it was the mobile armor? At first he only really says Mika reminds of Gjallarhorn's founder, but at some point he says that Tekkadan itself reminds him of it.

I agree though, he's definitely going off the deep end, especially after he saw Mika fight the MA. Ein went off the deep too however, and it seems like he's doing at least alright now, right?

>Why would he feel any remorse?
He knowingly betrayed the trust of children many times with a warm smile on his face. He's the classic wolf-in-sheep's clothing, a very typical special ops soldier. We're shown that he gave up his entire existence to work for a friend, you could assume he's a dedicated badass willing to do anything for the mission, but he also presents as a classical sociopath. Very high competency, and very high warmth, but he's merely pretending on that second part because he knows it works and doesn't actually possess any empathy himself. Really wish they hadn't killed him off, seemed like an interesting guy.

>>15102758
And failing because there are plenty of people who don't like Mikazuki anyways.

Anyway, this is really on point. Even in season 1 there were plenty of moments where it highlights Mikazuki's disturbing qualities. I got angry when he was fighting the Brewers guy, and when faced with an armor piercing question, he's just like "think about it later, after all this guy is okay to kill". And this is who some find such a refreshing change of character. Near the end, they try to show that this might actually be bothering him a bit, but it has been ignored. Same with the instance with Carta, and how this was supposed to be it, Mikazuki and Tekkadan can't go back anymore, only to have a finale that rewards their actions. What is this show trying to portray?

>>15100873
I like it.

>>15102801
People keep going on about how "Mika is like this because he has PTSD," but then why is he the only one in Tekkadan who is like this? Think about it, Shino pilots a MS after kids in his care died while boarding the Brewers ship. Yet he still feels like he's out of a SOL series. The only ones close to Mika are Akihiro and Aston, and that's more because they felt subhuman due to their human debris status.

Only thing I can really guess is that having the AV surgery three times really fucked with Mika. Other than that I dunno.

>>15102801
Yeah, Mika is a big problem. When they released the character descriptions, before the show started, I thought he would be like Setsuna pre-TV show: fucked up but still able to function in society. But no, Setsuna actually has more personality, and he killed his own fucking parents.

And talking about the past of the characters, when are we going to find out what happened during the Mika-Orga flashback, and why is it so important for their relationship?

>>15102827

They have basically held off on doing anything with Mika for so long that I think by now it's just too late. Whatever development they give him will be too little too late. He literally has not even shown signs of changing in any way since the very beginning and the show is 3/4ths over.

As it stands he is Kaizuka Inaho without entertainment value.

>>15102830
And the worst part is that, apparently, Mika had some kind of inner conflict until the last episode. He was relieved that his body only works now when connected to Barbatos, as if he had trouble with the idea of a killer like him wanting to live peacefully in a farm. We didn't know about that, and now it doesn't matter anymore. Another wasted opportunity.

>>15102821

The problem with him as a character really lies in how little we know of him.

His behavior would be acceptable if we had a sufficient explanation for it, but we know so painfully little about him that no such thing really exists. We know that he was a street rat, we know that he met Orga, or at saved him, in an incident that has never been explained yet is crucial to both of their backgrounds, and most of his personality can be gleaned from his tirade against Orga after Biscuit's death.

In the second episode of S1, I think, Orga offers a list of things that are meant to explain why Mika is the way he is, but I don't think a lot of them are applicable - he calls him 'boorish yet honorable'. yet I doubt you could charitably call him the latter. He says he's 'full of contradictions' which haven't yet surfaced, and he says that he knows that in order to live he has to be strong, but I imagine everyone in Tekkadan knew that, and they're not silent attack dogs like Mika is.

>>15102821
Mika is fairly static personality-wise because he attached himself to Orga at a very young age and never thought for himself. He tells Orga that he'll always follow him and kill anyone that gets in their way. This is supposed to be deeply disturbing to someone with normal sensibilities. Even Orga looks a bit uncomfortable when he doesn't know what to do, and Mika asks him what to do next

Mika, however, is not a normal child soldier. Human debris in this series are the closest thing to "real" child soldiers that you generally see. They're abused and forced "to kill their souls" and have to avoid connecting with their comrades. The people that control them loath them, and in return they're loathed back. The child soldiers are locked in to fighting because they have no where else to go, but as soon as they have a real chance at escape they break free. Most of them have emotional baggage, but they can move on. Even if they're still fighting, lots of them like going to clubs with sexy ladies and things like that.

Mika however, was never released from his bonds, so to speak. He obviously has a choice, but because of how he thinks he will always fight for Orga, until he is led to his "destination".

My point here is that the human debris are beaten until they accept they're garbage and all they're good for is fighting, but once you stop beating them they start to become more "normal". Mika came to the conclusion that he's garbage on his own (from what we've been told so far), and he thinks that he can only find a place in the world by fighting. It doesn't help that most of his experiences reaffirm this, either.

The main point however, is that Mika is supposed to be static, and there are characters in the series that are literally crying because it worries them so much.

I've got to head out now, but I can expand on this later if you like.

>>15102178
I want to kiss Shino's face, with my vagina.

>>15102801
>what is the anime trying to portray
The ends justify the mean?
Everyone has their own justice?
Anime is great about humanizing and demonizing both sides of a conflict. Gundam in particular narrates "today's heros are tomorrow's villians". We are watching it happen ahead of time.
>>15102821
>why does Mika have PTSD
We don't know yet. The very start of the show has his first kill and he looked back at Orga with complete indifference. Clearly what ever fucked Mika up happened well before he killed that guy for Orga.

>>15102858
it's obvious you dont really get the character

>>15102870
That's quite the assertion. Where is the evidence?

>>15102821
Not everyone exposed to trauma, even the same trauma, develop PTSD, or if they do, don't always demonstrate the same suite of symptoms.

>>15102388
If it were as simple like that they wouldn't have had to develop the Gundam Frames.

>>15102951

It's not Gundam Frames, it's mobile suits. Even a Rodi Frame is effectively a hard counter to an MA, just much less well-armed than the average Gundam is.

Astaroth = Vidar > Flauros > Vual > Dantalion > Kimaris > Gusion > Bael > SHIT > Barbatos

Prove me wrong

>>15102968
>faphand above anything

>>15102978
>implying it's the mishmash one

>>15102985
>implying implications

>>15102858
>The main point however, is that Mika is supposed to be static, and there are characters in the series that are literally crying because it worries them so much.

That's not it anon. They're crying because of a big change in his personality. Mika wanted to better himself, leave the PMC life behind him and own a farm. Now because of his disability, he's given all that up. He can't have his dream, so he will remain the same as he is for the flory of Tekkadan. He will be something that shouldn't exist to Kudelia, and there's no normal life for Atra's happy ending. Just killing and only killing for Mika. This was the guy who pushed Tekkadan into the siege of Edmonton in pursuit of their happy place, and now he's given up any for himself. The same guy who said he's putting more of himself into battles because that's all he can do with his disability.

That's why they're crying.

>>15102960
Keep in mind that being made to fight against them is not the same as being a hard counter.

As we saw an MA is far from helpless against MS and can fuck them up pretty easily even with the beam defense and no pluma.

>>15102960
Gundam Frames with AV system were specifically designed to fight the MA. Do you understand what stands behind the "specifically"? It means they had to go beyond the capabilities of a regular mobile suit to counter the MA.

>>15102859
me next

>>15103014
I'm glad you posted anon, I feel like you were going to cover some of the things I wanted to talk about and it helps me rearrange some thoughts. You could say Mika is outwardly static in his personality he expresses, and that seems to be what some anons can only pick up on
>muh Orga
>muh fighting

Naturally though, what's going on under the hood is far more dynamic. Are we barking up the same tree, though?

I think we can both agree that Mika is an incredibly gifted person. He only needs a little bit of education from Kudelia and he's able to start recognizing words and names, when he was completely illiterate before. I'm certain this changes him inwardly. Before, all he could do is fight for Orga, and help with maintenance, but now he could have a future besides inspiring his comrades with excellent battling, right? In spite of all this, he just keeps saying he'll follow Orga, even though he has his own thoughts.

He really gets in to the farming once he loses use of his arm because I'd like to think he realizes at that point almost literally the only thing he can do for Tekkadan is fight.

Everything he plants rots. I'm sure that's hard on someone who's always been able to do things right the first time when they tried. He could probably get back in the saddle and try again, so to speak, except now he literally can't move. It's deeply tragic.

I like Orga as a character, but by season 2 I was getting a bit annoyed at how Mika would say he'd make the impossible possible while staring at him with one blind eye and a limp arm, and Orga would totally take that at face value. Orga is having to keep track of a lot of people, but in some ways I think he's doing all of this for Mika, so how could he be so insensitive?

Mika of course, is so good at pretending nothing is wrong that he tricks Orga, the girls, and apparently some of the audience in to believing him.

Thankfully, Orga finally realizes what's up and tries to character limit

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>>15103082
Thankfully, Orga finally realizes what's up and tries to rein him in after he realizes the reason Mika doesn't eat real fruit anymore is because he physically has difficulties with it, and he's not the type to ask for help. Apparently those dried dates he snacks on all the time are disgusting, too.

Things might've worked out in the end, there could've been a bit of political intrigue and scattered fighting, ended up with Orga as "King of Mars", providing for Mika and the rest of his family, but fuckhead had to wake the MA and Mika had to sacrifice the last little bit of his hopes and dreams to make things work out, as you said. Even after all that though, he wears the same face, not because he's a shitty character, but because he's strong.
>muh Orga
>muh fighting

Incidentally, Iok is a pretty good example of a guy that only really takes words at face value to a fault, don't you think? Reminds me of some anons.

>>15103014
>Mika wanted to better himself, leave the PMC life behind him and own a farm.

Most of which is offscreen, and has so little time compared to him grinding in cockpits.

>>15098722
I'm like 3/4ths way through IBO's first season. Why is it so bad? When does it stop being boring? Is Carta supposed to be imposing as an antagonist because all I've seen so far is Gjallarhorn or however its spelled being a pants on head retarded version of OZ.

And why are the production values so incredibly ass? I legitimately had issues with AGE and GBF Try but this is way beyond them. Does this get fixed in season 2?

>>15103122
>Is Carta supposed to be imposing as an antagonist
Absolutely not.

>>15103106
>I think we can both agree that Mika is an incredibly gifted person. He only needs a little bit of education from Kudelia and he's able to start recognizing words and names, when he was completely illiterate before. I'm certain this changes him inwardly. Before, all he could do is fight for Orga, and help with maintenance, but now he could have a future besides inspiring his comrades with excellent battling, right?

It's a shame this is treated as being totally unimportant.

These supposed attributed are gained entirely through personal extrapolation and opinion because the show never dwells on any desires its characters want or any traits they possess beyond the vaguest terms.

Orga wants to be 'King of Mars', whatever the hell that's supposed to mean beyond securing prosperity for his 'family'. Mika wants, or wanted, to run a farm, because...that was his idea of a peaceful life? McGillis wants to reform Gjallarhorn to make it a more orderly organisation, but then he wants to follow in the footsteps of Agnika, but then he's so enraptured by the power of Gundams that now he's just in it for that?

Everything's flimsy, and some of it all is subject to change at a whim.

>>15103122
>I'm like 3/4ths way through IBO's first season. Why is it so bad? When does it stop being boring?

I'm like 3/4s through your post, why is it so bad?

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>>15103140
>It's a shame this is treated as being totally unimportant.
I like to think they're treating the audience like adults.

>>15103146

I think you overestimate their abilities.

>>15103154
Perhaps, but it's very interesting how in the discussions of IBO there's people coming up with very similar inferences, and then those that insist making inferences is foolish.

>>15103158

They're dismissed as foolish because those 'inferences' exist only on a personal level, as the majority of the cast is so flat that Bonneville blushes, so viewers are forced to look back for anything that adds depth to these people and seek reasons to make them more profound in their head, like that whole thing about Mika doing things perfectly the first time round and how not doing so crushes him when the show depicts absolutely nothing like that.

>>15103167
>like that whole thing about Mika doing things perfectly the first time round
How often have we seen anything that contradicts that?

>>15102960
did you not watch the episode where Choco, one of the best pilots in this universe, was tossed around like a rag doll by the MA? Half dozen military mobile suits got rekt like nothing.

If Mika couldnt handle Barbatos the MA would still be out there wrecking shit

>>15103171

Well, I dunno, could it be less of the narrative trying to subtly depict him as some sort of inherently talented savant, and more the narrative just letting him steamroll everything with no resistance?

If anything, the whole bit with the seeds is just some shoddy symbolism.

>>15103177

>one of the best pilots in this universe

Highly debatable, since across 30+ episodes he's barely actually fought anybody since the start of S1, a couple of exceptions aside. He almost got killed by Aston, for god's sake.

Everyone is shit compared to Mika, anyhow - he's the universe's gift to mobile suit pilots.

>>15103178
>Well, I dunno, could it be less of the narrative trying to subtly depict him as some sort of inherently talented savant, and more the narrative just letting him steamroll everything with no resistance?

That's like, your opinion man.

Inherently talented savants usually do steamroll everything once they realize their gifts, regardless of resistance that's in the way.

>>15103182
He wrecks Gali in his Gundam which sure isnt all that impressive but against Aston he was trying to not hurt them while being a diplomat.

>>15103182
Aston is a vet pilot whom has been piloting the same av compatible suit for longer than the rest of tekkadan.

I wouldn't quite call him non threatening seeing as he was prob their 4th best pilot and prob not to far behind shino

>>15103178
>>15103182
>>15103194
Hey hey, here's an interesting idea. We've already seen that there's a lot of tech that's been "locked" away in the IBO orphans, right?

The beam weapon reveal was pretty awesome, I'm sure we'll get to see more tech from the Cataclysm war that's been forgotten, but here's an idea...

What if Mika's genetic lineage is newtype?

>>15103145
>typical Animesuki IBO sub-human post
Off yourself.

>>15103230

Have we ever seen Shino do anything impressive in a mech?

>>15103254
He single handedly accomplished something that took Tekkadan two episodes of trying to do

>>15103254
I'll actually have to go and watch specifically for Shino's battles.

The impression I've always had from him as a character is that he's reliable average, as far as space rats go.

>>15103082
>I think we can both agree that Mika is an incredibly gifted person.
Not really. Despite how much time has passed between season, Mika's literacy is still weaker than Cookie and Cracker's. His attempts at growing new crops turn up nothing and his piloting skills...

The AV system is completely broken within the setting. People with it can easily control large machines with natural ease. Hell, according to Mika all the pilot has to do is "feel" where to shoot rather than manually aiming. It grants great power to those who survive the operation, which Mika has undergone three times for greater effect.

Meanwhile everyone else has to manually control their mobile suits.

Not to mention how Mika is still in a superior machine. Twin reactors for greater output, which also means stronger NLA than a non-Gundam MS. Throw in the fact he's in a machine made to combat MAs when the fucking Graze wasn't designed with MS combat in mind. Mobile Workers at best whereas Gundams have these bigass weapons meant to fuck up NLA. The most you can say is before it was tuned up by Teiwaz it wasn't running at 100%, but Mika was getting his shit kicked in more before that happened.

>>15103271
Reliable is not what I'd call him because of how unfocused he is. Shino has a lot of bravado but can't pay attention to his surroundings for shit.

>>15103344
>Shino has a lot of bravado but can't pay attention to his surroundings for shit.
Has this come to bite him in the ass yet?

>>15103361

The closest the show ever came to that was almost having him set off Tekkadan's own trap late in S1, but not really, otherwise.

>>15103361
Depends on what you consider as biting him in the ass. He gets into plenty of trouble during his battles but there are usually people who have his back.

>>15103330
>Mika's literacy is still weaker than Cookie and Cracker's
Don't you think that could be because he's not going to school like them? He's still doing the child soldier gig.

I agree that the AV system is completely overpowered in this setting, the only thing that stops it from being the end-all-be-all for every single faction is the fact that it only works on kids, and it has a high chance paralyzing them. We're shown however, that both Akhiro and Mika, while reliant on the AV, aren't completely helpless without it.

Naze's harem doesn't use AV when they pilot and they're very skilled. Their simulators don't support AV, and while Mika and Akhiro get the shit kicked out of them at first, they both learn to adapt, which impresses the hell out of everyone.

At the start of season 2, Hash deeply resents Mika. Mostly it's because the AV surgery failed on the person he looked up to most, but worked three times on Mika. He's also really pissed that they won't let him go through the surgery because he thinks at first that's the only way to pilot a mobile suit effectively.

Hash thinks he's just some lucky punk that was given a stacked deck at first, but for some reason he begins to insist that Mika's really something special. It's probably something to do with his attitude, which is why Hash starts to shadow him at all times.

I really hope we get some firm answers on the AV system and why it's so fickle. It seems like it's a great equalizer in some cases, even fellas like Shino that aren't very serious get a nice safety net for their mistakes, but it can also completely cripple exceptional individuals, like Hash's aniki.

>>15103426
In regards to the AV system, is it ever mentioned whether those that are paralyzed can still operate machinery if you hook them up?

We get to see a slower onset of the paralysis that comes out of the "failed" operations in Mika, but he's fine once he's back in the cockpit.

>>15103426
>Don't you think that could be because he's not going to school like them? He's still doing the child soldier gig.

Except Mika has nothing much to do outside of battles. In his condition, he can't do any other work for Tekkadan and from what we've seen he spends a lot of time sleeping.

>>15103461
>In his condition, he can't do any other work for Tekkadan and from what we've seen he spends a lot of time sleeping.
That sounds really awful.

Almost like he's depressed.

>>15103469
Only other thing is that he works on the farm, helping out while trying to grow new crops. Just when he's on base he sleeps.

>>15103511
Hopefully someday Mika can get himself a rad robo-body like Ein and get back to farming.

>>15103511
Characters have explicitly said he puts zero effort into anything he's not passionate about which pretty much just includes piloting and his test crops.
He's just incredibly childish in this aspect.

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No idea where is this from, but hey at least Mika made it to the top 10

>>15103439
They aren't, failed operation means the implant wasn't accepted by their bodies, usually because of an infection.

>>15103521
>He's just incredibly childish in this aspect.
He is still a child though, isn't he?

>>15103540
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

>>15103516
>Giant Graze digging soils and planting crops.

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What is a radical kinetic weapon you'd like to see pop up in IBO either in the main series or MSV?

>>15103527
>Ein more popular than Gali

>>15103576
You're reading the chart wrong.

>>15103598
Oh, whoops.

>>15103014
Mika became a cuck thanks to Orga and his "better place" scheme.

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>>15103576
Pick much relate

Basically a heady duty stapler on a stick, i want to see someone get crucified by a ridiculously large hammer stapling with equally ridiculous nails.

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>>15098877
It'd be better if it wasn't Gundam.

>>15103014
Did he ever really care about being a farmer?

It was just the only other thing that came to mind when he was asked.

need more douj

>>15103622
What if he just said he liked farming to get people to stop worrying about him?

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>>15103576
I'm still waiting for a giant robot rendition of my classy, elegant polearm-fu 2bh famalam. Gusion's axe from the weapon set just isn't doing it for me.

>>15103645

Scratchbuild it.

>>15103630
It felt like it was his retirement plan that was there because he didn't actually have a plan, but retirement is supposed to be a good thing so he retires, but decides to go back to work because he doesn't actually like retirement.

>>15103703
And that point of view makes Mika even sadder, as far as humans go. Geez.

>>15103330
Thinking back, wasn't Ein given three attachments, just like Mika has? I'd have to do some research on power levels, but could it possible that Ein had a better suit with the same level as connection as Mika did, and lost?

>>15103897
Ein didn't have the same implants, he had the OG AV system which pretty much left him a brain in a jar and is supposed level of connection.

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>>15103982
You saying this really got me curious about how they actually described it, because I could barely remember it.

I skimmed through the last 5 episodes of S1 and found this screencap in episode 24 when Gaelio is telling Tekkadan they'll never be able to beat Ein. Seems more like a torso in a jar. He has the three connectors like Mika, but what's the rest for? Life support?

Also, rewatching those episodes while only focusing on McGillis is pretty neat.

>>15104046
Life support and making life as a stump as comfy as possible, because when you go full AV your limbs are fucked period.

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>>15104046
It's basically like those Starcraft Dragoons. Some portion of a body stuck in a fisbowl with wires and tubes.

>>15104089
>>15104107
Seems like Mika's getting pretty close to that, except that he's got a cutie like Atra feeding him by hand.

Is MIka going to get a HUcast body too?

>>15104107

What are those screens for? Does Ein actually get data from those or is he just seeing through the mech's sensors?

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>>15104116
Ein couldn't even move. His body just sat there like pic related even as he was screaming and ranting against Mika.

>>15104120
I legit have no idea, because he seems to be actually seeing and talking through the suit systems, not his body. I think it's just a style choice vs. having him in a dark hole.

>>15104126
Does the close up of his eye has the blips in it? If not then he's blind like Mika is in his right eye.

>>15104128
It's flat and vacant. The water ripples, his hair drifts on the currents, there's the odd bubbles, and the screens scroll data quietly, but there's no motion or sign of life on his body.

>>15104126
>>15104128
>>15104134
It seems like the connectors at the top are really just to intercept the signals that would control shit like his face, vision, and neck movement.

>>15104126

The dark hole would have worked better. More horrifying.

>>15104126
>>15104128
>>15104134
>>15104139
Hey now, I just had a thought.

For the most part in the series, we've only seen AV installed in punk ass kids from Mars, and on a place like Earth, AV was absolutely fucking haram for various reasons.

The one anon mentioned the installation failures were caused by things like infections, so not quite the system itself not taking. Mika is see as a huge badass because he actually managed to survive the installation of three whiskers while some people are driven to suicide after failing the first time. Do you guys remember if it's ever mentioned what kind of treatment the kids are given after the installation of AV?

>>15103182
He didn't almost get beat by Aston. He was kicking Aston and Takaki's asses and then Aston unexpectedly pulled a death clinch on him so that their reinforcements could get him while he couldn't move.

>>15104120
Probably just leftover from the original cockpit. The Graze Einis just a heavily modified Graze after all.

>>15104150
>so not quite the system itself not taking

The infection is caused by the system not taking and the body violently rejecting it like a failed organ transplant, not that the infection causes the procedure to fail.

>>15104176
So in that case, it sounds like even if the people forcing the installations on them decided to give them the best care they could as a means of protecting their investment but in the case of these violent rejections, there's literally nothing they can do, so they toss them aside, right?

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>>15104150
Hush's flashbacks show the kids don't get treatments. If it takes and you don't die from the Tijuana style surgery, you become a child soldier. If it doesn't take or the back-alley doctor fucks up, they dump you in the slums.

>>15104176
>The infection is caused by the system not taking and the body violently rejecting it like a failed organ transplant
As well as the fact that the surgery itself is probably done in terribly unsanitary conditions with no taken counter measures.

>>15104192
Pretty much. That's what was implied happened to Hush's brother. He failed the surgery and CGS kicked him out.

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Still no PV images nor anything? What the fuck.

>>15104204
PV images don't usually come until like the day before it airs. Wait until tomorrow.

>>15104176
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>>15104194
>>15104196
Alright, so bare with me here.

I'm making the assumption here that at some point, SOMEONE on Mars probably experimented with using that regeneration pod tech they have on Mars (we can at least assume it exists because the nurse on Earth refers to it). If you could have a 100% of it taking, you could make an army of three-whisker spacerats, no problem. I'm not a very clever but if one whisker can make unreliable guys like Shindo formidable, imagine if you could stick three in to guys like Hush's aniki? Obviously, this didn't work out and they went back to the meat grinder approach we currently see..

Before I go on here though, do you guys understand what I'm getting at?

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>>15104211
Yes, if you used all the available tech, you could make a army of super child soldiers, but augment/cybernetics is taboo and fucking expensive. CGS used back-alley a/v on child soldiers because it was cheap.

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>>15104226
Hey that pic isn't true, Ein had one kill. It was some random kid in a mobile worker, but that makes him at least as good as Carta.

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>>15104226
Alright.

One other thing I want to ask... it feels like some people have been coy when I allude to it and I want to make sure they were merely pretending, but we all know who this is, right?

>>15104241
Post the Senpai.. image.

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>>15104241
It's GaliGali
This Garma became a Char.

>>15104248
Oh shit I didn't expect that answer but I can completely see why it makes sense.

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>>15104251
GaliGali even gets a Ein.

>>15104253
Are you sure?

What if Ein gets an exceedingly cute Ein-clone?

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>>15104258
Ein is still around. He became a Gundam

>>15104263
Indeed, but don't you think Ein could be a lot more than just a Gundam?

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>>15104268
I don't think so. There isn't much left of him.

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>>15104247
Do you mean this one? I think you're cute, don't worry.

>>15104268
pls answer seriously too. I don't want to sperg out and write up a wall of text to explaining something that's common knowledge.

It would be extremely embarrassing

https://twitter.com/ys_honten/status/819746550612037632

Lafter really wants the gachimuchi.

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>>15104282
>Do you mean this one?

No, you idiot.

The Vidar one. You know the one.

Don't fuck with me.

>>15104285
I'd actually been watching this show in a vacuum so to speak, so I've never really talked to anyone in depth about it.

Unfortunately, I need to summarize the image for me, sorry.

>>15104288
Need you to summarize, that is.

Can Graze Ein beat Hashmal?

>>15104292
He would job vs it.

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http://www.gundam-try.com/news/tekkaryoran23.php

>>15104362
Is there flavor text on the back? I want to hear from Shino's whore again.

I really don't want Orga to die or to have to fight Naze

I don't want Lafter or Atra to die either ;_;

>>15104390

Atra won't die because they don't have the cojones to kill off little girls who have names and faces, and Lafter's getting a new mobile suit, so her survival is likely guaranteed.

FUCK KUDELIA.

>>15104471
But anon, she's AMAZING...

>>15103982

Ein had the same full set of three AV whiskers that Mikazuki had. The only problem is that the Graze Ein is basically a bootleg version of a Gundam Frame. Once Barbatos actually decided to unlock some of its AV system limiters, the Graze Ein was toast.

>>15104390
Amida is going to ded

>>15104525
Nah, Barbs just has a demon trapped in his OS and Mika just loosen the seal to get more Chakra from it. Ein is just a big Cyborg going against THE CHOSEN ONE.

>>15104471
Gladly!

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PV pics are out

"In Mobile Suit Gundam iron blood or fences" is episode 39 "advice" previous cuts. But today, tomorrow during the first half second half divided into two, we introduce. Iron flower Orchestra had become long time care, lion den during the shakedown training, combat and mobile armour turbines from Agee and eco!

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>>15104723
"In Mobile Suit Gundam iron blood or fences" episode 39 "advice" previous cuts introduced is the second. Speaking in turbines iron China Mission is to take care of it here. That is trying to interact with Akihiro bothers her. Rafter Frankland is!

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>>15104745
"Of Mobile Suit Gundam iron blood or fences" episode 39 "advice" previous cuts introduced its 3. His decision to move yourself to the maneuvers of a Crescent Moon Mars in Barbados fighting Buri McGillis Farid. And with subordinate isurugi?

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>>15104754
I guess it's a talking episode

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>>15104757
"Of Mobile Suit Gundam iron blood or fences" episode 39 "advice" previous cuts introduced its 4. The first half here. The versatile cuderia with impact statements in episode 38. Carefully thinking on side of the Crescent Moon that I tell you what..

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>>15104762
>Please fuck Kudelia...
Oh u Atra! Almost sure that will happents

>>15102789
>The third appears to be the one full of incompetent people that like having power that they don't use properly.
We don't know if they work together or what they are in charge of.

>but he also presents as a classical sociopath
He didn't really seem like a complete sociopath from his talk with Guts. He also helped out Julietta.

He isn't a nice guy by his own admission. I took his whole character as he enjoyed being clever.

If he had been around loner we would probably get a bit more insight into him. All we know is he was loyal and enjoyed fucking with Tekkadan.

>>15104757
>I guess it's a talking episode

You should be surprised if it's an action episode.
Talk, talk talk talk. Sunrise's latest innnovation for the rejuvenation of the Gundam franchise. Forget action, lets just talk talk talk.

>>15104922
Nothing wrong with not having action in an episode, if the dialogue was good.

>>15104922
Gundam has always had a lot of talking. Just usually they toss us a bone with at least one mecha action scene per episode.

>>15104922
Thats not necessarily a bad thing.

Take seed and destiny for instance. LOADS of battle scenes, the series had like 5 battle episodes for every single talk episode, but in every battle they used the same animations over and over and over and over and OVER again! the only thing they changed was the backgrounds.

Im still not sure if constant battles are a good or bad thing, if IBO had better quality with its mecha animations, i'd be okay with its lack of mecha battles.

IMO, the 00 series had better mix between talk and mecha battle episodes, with better quality with its mechs.

>>15104236
>but that makes him at least as good as Carta.
Carta killed a named character (Biscuit), so she's actually better than Ein.

>>15104922
>Talk, talk talk talk. Sunrise's latest innnovation for the rejuvenation of the Gundam franchise. Forget action, lets just talk talk talk.
Underage spotted

>>15105014

IBO actually has too much talking though. And it's ONLY talking. They rarely show anything important.

It doesn't help that the battles also suck and just consist of everyone standing around while Mika dunks on the current foe.

some got to see the new op. the reactions make me want to

>>15105039
>the reactions make me want to
What did they said

I'm gonna miss Rage of Dust.

people just got previewed the new op. they love it. reactions in twitter.

>>15105043
Me too, it is a really good op.
Unlike other anons, I am optimistic about kana-boon since I liked their Naruto op, but I don't think it will be as great as Rage of Dust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rihDGKEpW2Y

>>15104762
Absolutely lewd

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best couple

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Atra and Mika

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>>15105089
>those proportions
>those faces
>.tumblr

>>15105050
yep, he's a good OP

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>>15105099
NO

>>15105050
I love it too.

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cutie

>>15105113
>>15105113

>>15104437
>so her survival is likely guaranteed.
She gets a new suit this episode, while someone supposedly dies in 41, that's a whole three eps for the suit to get some action. Graze Ein had even less, only two episodes on screen. New suit doesn't guarantee anything.