Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team

>>15087270
I think he's a awesome show, 8.5/10

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He is 8.13 in MAL's scores

>>15087289
>08 MS Team
8.13
>Zeta
8.02
>0079
7.89
Jesus

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Cute mechs

>>15087289
>>15087298
I think a lot of the reputation 08th MS Team has built up has more to do with the audience and less to do with the actual merits of the show.08th MS Team came out in 96, which is around the same time as more popular shows like Gundam Wing and G-Gundam. However, a lot of Gundam fans came into the genre/series much later with even more popular shows like Seed and 00. Most of the shows I've listed have something in common. It's based around young adults / teenagers who basically run around fucking shit up because they're so OP. 08th MS Team is a step away from this because of how much its toned down. Shiro isn't some amazing ace pilot that can 1v30 and come out unscathed. He isn't some charismatic leader that instantly pulls others to his side etc. He's just some dude that falls in love with a girl. It's not a perfect show by any means, but I believe a lot of the popularity is centered around the comparative simplicity of the core cast and technological prowess of the featured mobile suits.

Should i watch 08th MS in english or japanese?

>>15087270
>>15087270
OP The romance ruined this show.

>>15087325
Japanese

I contribute 08th MS Teams success to two factor. It easily has some of the best mecha fight scenes in anime and there is no other anime that does war better. The fights work so well because the tactics are sound. The Gundams operate as a team and they even have organic support to assist them in detecting the enemy. Shiro is the only officer in anime that actually does what an officer does in real life. He has to develop the situation, command his unit and fight his own Gundam as well. I've gain so much more respect for Shiro now that I'm an officer in the United States Army. The final fight against Norris Picard is easily the best mecha fight ever made. 08th MS Team is anime's Band of Brothers. It doesn't try to explain the whole war, nor does it try to preach a particular moral lesson. The show tries to depict war as realistic as possible and let it stand on its own. The anime does an amazing job of humanizing the enemy, but even Shiro learns that you still may have to kill them. The anime may very well be simple, but that isn't a bad thing. 08th MS Team suffers because it is a Gundam anime, but there is no way it would have worked if it wasn't. The Gundam title ties it to the other series, and the uniqueness of 08th MS Team makes it appear as an anomaly. I don't believe it get the attention it deserves because it is a Gundam anime. However, it is the fact it is in the Gundam universe that allows the anime to focus significantly less on world building. There is no need to explain who their fighting or where because it assumes you know it. That's really the only way you can write a story about fighting on a front that didn't really matter too much in deciding the outcome of the war.

I think its a tad overrated.

>>15087360
>The show tries to depict war as realistic as possible and let it stand on its own

It did that so well that we have marvelous depictions of absurdity like the Spider Gouf and a Ball tanking an entire drum of Zaku machine gun fire.

If you really are an officer, you should know that calling this realistic, calling -any- mecha anime realistic any but the most remote sense is folly.

>>15087302
I always wonder whether the magazine would fall out if the Gundam held it that way. Also, how was the fucking Ground Type able to use it's beam sabers if they were on it's fucking legs behind a cover.

>>15087270
It was alright.
Had some nice looking MSs.
It was just a bit too happy go lucky as far as the ending goes.

>>15087360
>there is no other anime that does war better.

Fucking wrong.

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>>15087424
Don't most guns have a magazine well locking mechanism?

The beam sabre compartment opens up and extends the beam sabre outward when it needs to use it.

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>>15087302
>Cute mechs
this is true

>>15087473
Fucking cool by $23

>>15087325
I watch almost exclusively subbed, but I heard the dub was good so I gave it a go. I'd say both are great, unlike how it usually is when the dub is crap. So watch whichever.

I liked it, but it's popular, so I'm required to say it's shit according to 4chan culture.

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>>15087302

Ez8 is my favorite early UC Gundam for a reason.

>>15087270
It's half-good.

>>15087473
I like how the Gouf Custom looks perpetually angry.

>>15087270
Its a great show. 08th MS Team is more focused and the characters are actually solders from the start, the scope is relatively narrow compared to the main series, the main series is more of a one man army kind of deal as well, they do most of the work while the rest of the military is just there for show.

Norris is one of my favorite ZEON pilots

>>15088463
>Norris is one of my favorite ZEON pilots
Chuck Norris?

>>15087270

Good mecha OVA that converted anime casuals to become UC enthusiasts

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>>15088473
>implying Chuck Norris would be fighting for the zeeks.

He'd be a Federation solider through-and-through.

>>15087325
Both are fine, if you watch Japanese though see if you can get a copy with the 2006 audio remix, the 5.1 sound effects are boss.

>>15088287
Exactly this, it's the most grounded Gundam series and very military. The characters may be piloting 18m death machines, but stakes are pretty high.

>>15088580
>Chuck Norris
At least he's better than Char's clones.

>>15087456
Well yea, the magazine catch is what locks the magazine in place. Which is also what you depress to release the magazine.

>>15087605
>Ez8 is my favorite early UC Gundam for a reason.
Mine too.

>>15087443
not that guy but whats a good war anime

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Is Karen the best tomboy girl?

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The show had nice combat scenes. Also EZ8 is my favorite Gundam simply because it has a normal antenna instead of the V fin.

>>15087322
This. I know I first sought out 08th MS Team when Gundam Seed was still airing on Toonami, because I desperately wanted a respite from that sort of anime fuckery.

Like you said, the narrative is simple and universal, the series can appeal to romantics as well as die-hard military nerds. It sounds pretentious, but I'd honestly say it's a perfect example of Gundam in that it manages to both be an anti-war story while still making the /m/ shit look really, really cool. Like, who doesn't remember the Gouf fight?

>>15088580
I dunno, he was pretty riled up over that Texexit thing a few years back.

I think while I was watching 8th MS Team I kept having the same thought over and over, which was, "Wow that really DOES look/sound like what I would expect from a gundam/military base/battle/etc". The sounds of heavy thumping sound and the afterburner thrusts. The detailed cockpits cramped with buttons and switches. I'm no military expert but it felt like a pretty authentic military experience for an anime. I'm watching Stardust Memory right now and I'm getting the same feeling!

>>15090786
Yeah, she was my waifu for 3 years

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I loved it myself, it was the first Gundam I watched (back when I was getting into mecha and still streaming my anime). Great mecha designs IMO, good character dynamics and superb action. A shame the second half went off the rails a bit, but it wasn't too bad. Aside from the "extra" episode. Shit was completely unnecessary.

Also, Kiki a best.

>>15094478

she was a relief comic caracter

Should I watch this before or after Zeta

>>15095865
>Should I watch this before or after Zeta
before

>Universal Century Gundam Animated Works (Chronological Order)
Mobile Suit Gundam The Origin (UC0068 - UC0077)
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO (January, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam (September, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team (October, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket (December, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt (December, UC0079)
Gundam the Ride: A Baoa Qu (December, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory (UC0083)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (UC0087)
Gundam Neo Experience 0087: Green Divers (UC0087)
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ (UC0088)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack (UC0093)
Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn (UC0096)
Mobile Suit Gundam F91 (UC0123)
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (UC0153)
G-Saviour (UC0223)

>>15095893
I'm aware of this, I could've even googled it if I needed to, I just wanted to know the general opinion.

>>15087270
It should be noted that 08th is the gundam series with the most conventional warfare in the entire franchise. The only edge the gundams really seem to have over any other mobile suit is being able to survive more damage. All other series tend to have more fancy stuff going on, and that goes hand in hand with the gundams being more special most of the time. 0080 and 0083 have been listed already, both of them have a similar serious tone and more or less realistic mechs. A personal favorite of mine, the first two episodes of gundam Igloo 2 (which is dated CGI, so you might not like it) are as realistic as gundam gets (as far as combat goes, there's some pretty weird shit going on aside rom that), featuring conventional weapons in use against grunt mobile suits.

>>15087270
Nice designs and an honest attempt at making Gundams real types. Shame the plot was so awful. Wish we had more series like this.

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>>15095893
>chronological order
>not production order

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>>15090910
I really prefer this

I finished watching the original Mobile Suit Gundam, and now I started with 08th ms team but I have a few questions. Wasn't the gundam like, handcrafted by Amuro's dad? How can the 08th ms team have so many? Shouldn't they have GMs?

>>15099652
ewww

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I really liked this show

>>15097292
>'real' types
>Invinciball
>Gouf casually picking up and dropping highway sections

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best guy

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>>15087322
>Shiro isn't some amazing ace pilot that can 1v30 and come out unscathed. He isn't some charismatic leader that instantly pulls others to his side etc. He's just some dude that falls in love with a girl.
Retards say this shit despite this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISfBFwACKFw
Also Shiro is about the least brought up aspect of 08th Team which just goes to show how "memorable" the cast is. 08th Team suffers from the same sort of "normmie" appeal like A/Z and IBO has, its just the go to whenever someone likes to bring up that all Gundam are like SEED and Wing or to prove that Gundam can be "realistic". Its aesthetically pleasing to do them but they don't really get much out of it ironically enough since the story and characters aren't up to snuff.

>>15090229
FLAG

>>15102945
Nice post anon

>>15087270
overrated

>>15087270
This show is pretty devalued

>Realistic
>Spider Gouf

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>>15102916
Who, the old man? He was alright but pic related was actual best

>>15105138
>Who, the old man?

>Jidan Nickard
Jidan Nickard is a member of the Earth Federation Forces, serving as a mechanic for the Earth Federation Forces stationed in South-East Asia. The man is fairly laid back and carries a flask carrying liquor. He started a romantic relationship with a woman in a local town, and has something of an antagonistic relationship with mobile suit pilot Karen Joshua.

>>15102122
>>15102916
Thank goodness for normal suits! Aina and Shiro forever, Michel is a great friend for never losing hope.

>>15087270
Yonekura Chihiro did some really nice music for that series. "Arashi no naka de kagayaiteru" was pretty much the kind of sing to run the last 5 minutes of a marathon. I regret that to this day I have not actually seen the ending of the series.

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I liked him

>>15087456
The gundam's in the 08th mobile suit team is the RX-79[G] Gundam Ground Type, this was allegedly made using spare experimental RX-78-2 parts or something (around 80% of parts are identical). If I recall correctly, this was the first high performance mass production unit. Better than GM and inferior to Gundam.

>>15110627

Imagine being Shiro in this scene

>>15112537
I often do

>>15112518
Holy shit, that makes sense, but then why do they have GMs in the first place?

>>15112646
>but then why do they have GMs in the first place?
GMs are made from the ground up with their own manufactured parts. Gundam Gs are made from spare parts from the original G project

>>15112646
Because the GM is more economical to produce than even the Gundam ground type.

>>15114208
As an analogy, think of the GM as the standard police cruiser, while the Gundam Ground Type was the extra Humvees the army was handing out to law enforcement. It's basically a case of maximizing efficiency while at the same time trying to tilt the balance of the conflict as much as possible in your favor. Keep in mind the One Year War was a tough battle with, until the end of the series, had no clear victor. So anything that could give even the smallest of advantages, such in the case of using surplus parts from a high end war machine would be put on the field.

>>15112668
>>15114208
That and they had a low budget for artists. It's simply easier to make all the cannon fodder, ground and space the same.

>>15114219
Its been a long time I fact checked any of my knowledge so take it with a grain of salt but RX-78-1 became RX-78-2 and RX-79. And RX-78-2 became RGM-79, cheap knockoff mass production gundam. So I think GMs are just cheaper to produce than RX-79 and still gets most of the job done because the difference isn't that jarring.

>>15100516
They were built from spare parts manufacturered for the RX-78, but they don't have a Core Block which is why one half of the torso has a launcher and cannon.

I like how it focused on just regular ass grunts rather than autistic newtypes

>>15115082
the best gundam shows are those who don't have newtypes.

>>15115082
>>15116697
>newtypes
I hate them

>>15102122
>Best ending?
YEEEESSSS

>>15087270
If the Feddies dont trust Shiro why did they give him such an advanced suit

>>15119558
I have this doubt too.

>>15090786
I want to protect that smile.

>>15114349
GMs are basically the same as the Gundam, but with a simplified head design and lacking some of the more expensive features like the Core Block System and the learning computer. Those features aren't strictly necessary for their role, so they were removed, and the GM is thus much, much cheaper than the Gundam, but still almost as effective in combat.

>>15112646
In universe the GM is made with a steel composite armor, making it cheaper than the Gundam which was made with Lunar Titanium armor. It also lacks the more exotic test systems (core fighter, learning computer, the heavier weapons). So the GM has less systems, less exotic materials and weapons used in it's construction, and all of that makes for a faster to build and much cheaper unit for mass production.

>>15122058
Another expensive part of the Gundam, the alloy that the armour was made of. GMs were practically made of Explodium. Cheaper and much easier to build. They also couldn't tank hits like the RX-78-2

>>15122072
They have these massive Luna-Titanium Beam coated shields though. And it's suggested layers of beam coating on the cockpits at least.

>>15122080
GMs had explodium mk1. They took a few shots then blew up. Leos on the other hand had Explodanium. Which was a refined version that would react to anything larger than a 9mm bullet.

>>15119558
Because they threatened his squadmates with execution if they fail to apprehend him should any funny business go down.

>>15102945
He has great reflexes.

>>15087330
>The romance ruined this show.
The romance part was pretty bad, though. 08th MS team is something you watch for the action, not the romance.

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>>15087270
Its ok, but still inferior compared to The Revival of Zeon at militaristic 5 stories tall warbots stories.

>>15124571
I disagree with you

>>15110627
What would you do if you were Shiro ?

>>15087330
It's an adapted romeo and juliet, the moon eyed romance is the whole point

>>15090786
Her and all the other 90s action tomboys ruined regular women for me.

>>15102947
No, flag is barely watchable. Get out.

>>15112646
Because there are only enough spare parts to build something like fourteen ground types. that's all that ever got made

>>15102122
:.) I cried at the end

Best gundam show imo

>>15127420
>:.)
Jesus

As much as I loved the series overall, the romance did feel a bit forced, and that last episode was like wtf??? New type orphan ghosts.

>>15128567
Romeo and juliet pilot giant robots.

0080 is beowulf

MSG is a combination of Journey to the West, Othello, and the Ramayana.

>>15129936
>Romeo and juliet pilot giant robots.
that's gundam F91

>>15129984
exact, Cecily and Seabook.

>>15090786
>Is Karen the best tomboy girl?
I simply couldn't take Karen, a woman, seriously when she has the kind of massive jaw line and muscular shoulders that even hardcore steroid users would appreciate. I couldn't help but see a man with a woman's voice.

>>15090786
>tomboy
The capitalist dream of consumption

>>15125711
Your taste anon

>>15130717
That because you're fapping too much on hentai anon.

>>15131558
I know right? Lemme just drag out my Pink disk and listen to... what was it "turn off the lights"?

It was alright until the last episode. Like holy hell was watching them walk around in the woods lame as fuck.

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>>15087270
It's great b8 for triggering certain tripfags.

>>15132344
you're wrong

Second half is better

>>15133944
Think of the last episode like an added bonus, you don't really need to watch it.
(Except to see that Michel amounted to nothing more than a loser drunk)

>>15135975
>Except to see that Michel amounted to nothing more than a loser drunk
and bland too.

>>15087270
My favorite Gundam OVA

>>15102916
>Michel
>Best Guy
Nope. Not even close

>>15112646
Only about 20 RX-79[G]s were made using parts left over from Operation V as the first test types for what would become the RGM-79[G] Ground type, which was still pretty expensive. Operation V itself included up to 8 (or more, depending on your source) RX-78 frames, so the RX-78-2 was not 'hand crafted', and this indeed was something that was trying to be a deliberate difference from the 'dad built a robot' trope at the time that was heavily prevalent in other robot shows of the era. The RGM-79A and RGM-79B (Since newer materials are pushing the A/B designation more now) were much cheaper to produce when the EFSF needed to produce a lot of Mobile Suits quickly to counter the overwhelming Zeon advantage, and proved to be more adaptable for variants.

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My favorite Gundam OVA
08th MS team > 0083 > 0080

>>15136507
good taste anon

I like it, the last episode is shit though.
Ez-8, Gouf Custom, one-armed Acguy, that Zaku I commander, and MP Guntank are great.

>>15141066
>MP Guntank
that's my favourite in this show

>>15136961
so is Michel a god?

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Worst girl

>>15138501
This sounds about right, I've heard from other fans of 08th MS Team that the Ground Gundam and RX-78-2 were developed concurrently. Supposedly after the RX-78-2 was complete they just fitted a few of the extra frames for field use on the ground, because making and maintaining more RX-78-2s for space and ground combat use would be prohibitively expensive and logistically impossible.

>>15143393
>so is Michel a god?
Michel is a loser

>>15087270
Although there is good in-canon reasoning for them using Gundams, I believe I read somewhere that the out-of-canon reasoning was that they didn't want to have a whole show with no Gundams in it. I can't find the source, though, so now I'm questioning it. Anyone know if its true?

>>15087443
So which ones do war better?

I really like 2nd arc of Votoms, but think that 08th MS was a bit more engaging in that regard.

>>15145739
There was one really old source (Probably rapport deluxe) that tried to suggest 32 RX-78 frames were built, and while nobody really thinks it's credible, it would go pretty far in explaining where all the RX-79 parts came from.

>>15147133
Well, it's called Gundam

>>15147133
Yep, interesting to think what it could have been like though. Of course, I love Gundam Ez8 so I'm okay with the way they did things.

>>15148200
Somewhat related, MS Igloo is the one Gundam OVA I can name that doesn't contain a single Gundam IIRC. It's centered around a Zeon weapons test team that tests a different mobile suit/armor each episode.

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Goofy

>>15087270
>1st half
8/10

>2nd half
5/10

>>15149157
>MS Igloo
it's terrible

>>15147133
Well, the one in 08th MS team is the ground mass-produced version of gundam (The RX-79), and they are only constructed with normal armor instead of the Luna Titanium on the RX-78 series. Also the RX-79 series have more selection of weapons that are useful on ground combat like the 4 tube missile launcher, 180mm mobile cannon, and the rocket launcher. Meanwhile other MS teams in 08th MS have a mix of ground type GMs and ground type gundams.

>>15148168
>Well, it's called Gundam
It's the same reason Victory has that strange early episode order apparently.

>>15149157
yes, just watched the first episode, will watch the rest soon. I'm very interested to see how it is.

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>>15151898
>Well, the one in 08th MS team is the ground mass-produced version of gundam (The RX-79)
It's not mass production, it still has the RX prefix. They're all experimental machines. It could be called limited production, but there isn't a production factory line building any more of these, they just put together all of the spare parts they had into usable machines and then they stopped.

>and they are only constructed with normal armor instead of the Luna Titanium on the RX-78 series.
Nope, that's quite wrong. They are officially stated to have luna titanium armor, and quite a lot of them can endure a ton of damage. There's a ton of examples:

The head of Shiro's RX-79 took repeated punches and a shoulder tackle to the chest from Norris' Zaku but it didn't do anything. Shiro punched Norris' Zaku once in the chest and the cockpit monitors broke.

Shiro's RX-79 was scraped against the side of a rock canyon wall by the Apsalus II and didn't get much damage if at all. Later, Shiro intentionally pushed the machine's thrusters and reactor to the red line, causing it to overheat and the reactor's outer wall to be exposed. Then it fell off a cliff and got smashed into pieces. Which were still good enough to salvage and overhaul into Shiro's custom EZ8.

Karen and Shiro both took 175mm magella cannon shots to their upper chest of their suits and both didn't leave a scratch, although Karen got knocked unconscious. Gouf 75mm gatling gun fire did absolutely nothing to the body, even from the rear. This was from the Battle in Three Dimensions animated short.

>>15151922
>>15151898
>>15151922
Where the hell rx-78-4 and rx-78-5 came out from?

>>15140088
Is there a reason why all the UC OVAs are something 08?

>>15087270
90s designs and visuals , nothing special
Okay music.
Awful plot and message
3/10

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>>15151936
They're from the M-MSV line of designs by Okawara. Not sure exactly when he came up with these, I'm guessing late 1980s or early 1990s. There's no background story or anything, as far as I know.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/m-msv/rx-78-4.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/m-msv/rx-78-5.htm

In the early 2000s, some MSV mobile suits were redone by Katoki as part of a series of redesigns that launched a bunch of new manga and PS2 games about Gundam sidestories. The RX-78-4 and RX-78-5 redesigns were featured in the manga sidestory called "Space, To the End of A Flash" or "From Place Beyond the Blaze", depending on the translation. It was about two Gundam units assigned to another Pegasus class ship on a special mission.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/blaze/rx-78-4.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/blaze/rx-78-5.htm
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_Side_Story:_Space,_To_the_End_of_a_Flash

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>>15151939
0080 is oddly named, as 95% of the story takes place in the last month of the year 0079. Only a brief part at the end is set in the year 0080, just after the war ended.

0083 is named for the year that it takes place in. Other than being set at the halfway point between the original series (taking place in year 0079) and its direct sequel (Zeta Gundam takes place in year 0087), there's no other significance. It quite literally just means "hey we retconned in a major historical event halfway between these two stories".

08th MS team is named after the team's number and has nothing to do with the year.

I won't deny that some of the Gundam stories are deliberately set in specific years, though. Char's Counterattack movie takes place in year 0093. The F91 Gundam movie takes place in year 0123. The Victory Gundam TV series is set in year 0153. Exactly 30 years in between each story.

>>15151941
>3/10
are you making a joke i just don't get?

>>15151939
Consistency.
All three came out one after the other, and were the first of any Gundam OVAs. It's an unofficial trilogy

>>15121840
>Implying she wouldn't be the one to protect your smile

>>15152651
I'm dead serious. This is my least favorite UC OVA.

>>15153179
shit taste anon

>>15095893
Isn't Thunderbolt an AU and thus not a part of the chronological order?

>>15153458
>Isn't Thunderbolt an AU
>nice bait.
are you Black Knight?

>>15153469
No, I'm canon.

http://otakumode.com/news/52fc76ef80cd488c6b00068f/Interview-with-Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Thunderbolt-Author-Yasuo-Ohtagaki-3-3

>In the beginning, I told them that I wanted to be able to work freely, even if that meant it wasn’t part of the Gundam canon, and they told me I could do what I want.
>It’s a bit off from the so-called “correct history,” but I did that on purpose [laugh]. I started off on the sidelines without much attention, which actually allowed some freedom as I wrote and I didn’t have to defend myself, so I decided to change what I wanted, and I think it was good that I could start that way.

>>15153493
The simple answer is that they changed history as it was written in order to put a new series in an old timeline, but having tech that didn't necessarily belong there. They've come up with retroactive reasoning to make it fit, but it doesn't really; you just have to kinda give it some leeway and enjoy it. Someone mentioned a theory not too long ago that I don't think is remotely the intent, but actually was a surprisingly satisfying explanation: that the series is fictional even within the UC Timeline, essentially a TV show aired sometime after the war.

>>15087270
How the fuck tall are the trees in that jungle to hide those MSs

>>15155047
You know, it doesn't have to be canon to be enjoyed at all. Even the author acknowledges that it doesn't fit into UC, not that they changed UC's history to accommodate it. People think too much about "canon" being some kind of seal of approval or quality. For me, I don't think being canon or non-canon is a bad thing. Rather, it allows stories to be free of restrictions and they can create and invent new elements and details where needed so it can serve the storytelling rather than serving the existing lore. 0083 Rebellion and Glory of Losers are fairly well done manga that go the extra step to fix and revise parts of the original stories they were based on, but of course this means going against "established history" and conflicting with the version that most people are aware of.

>Someone mentioned a theory not too long ago that I don't think is remotely the intent, but actually was a surprisingly satisfying explanation: that the series is fictional even within the UC Timeline, essentially a TV show aired sometime after the war.
That's the Macross approach to canon, according to Shoji Kawamori. Here's a link that further explains it, with sources attributed to databooks and interviews when possible.

https://karice.wordpress.com/2013/02/17/p294/

>>15155133
this is gundam, trees, hills, buildings, and other shit big enough to hide mobile suits are common as fuck

>>15155151
>this is gundam, trees, hills, buildings, and other shit big enough to hide mobile suits are common as fuck
I like this too

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>>15155133
have you seen real jungle trees? those things are really fucking tall. A mobile suit is 60ft tall, if it's crouching it could definitely hide.

>>15153431
Shit taste is liking a story as bad as 08th MS

>>15156607
>a story as bad as 08th MS
This confirms you have a shit taste

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>>15095893
Is this an accurate list? I just started getting into Gundam, and wanted to watch chronologically, and I was told to start with the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Am I missing something, or is there something further back?

>>15159613
Start with the original MSG, either movies or TV version. Usually production order is best, but you can watch the UC ova's (war in the pocket, 8ms team, 0083) after finishing MSG if you prefer to. or go directly to zeta. The other anons list also includes things that are unavailable due to them being rides. (green divers)

>>15159613
>Is this an accurate list?
More or less. There's some things that you can't watch like Gundam the Ride and Neo Experience 0087 Green Divers. The former is an amusement park ride video, and the latter was a planetarium projection event. Both have never been leaked, the only media available are maybe short trailers or possibly some shakycam footage.

>and wanted to watch chronologically, and I was told to start with the original Mobile Suit Gundam.
That's the original series, from which everything else is based off of.

>Am I missing something, or is there something further back?
There are some stories that take place before the start of the original series. They're not prequels, though. They follow different characters and storylines but are in the same setting. For example, Gundam the Origin explores the backstory of some of the characters that will go on to have major roles in the original series. Gundam MS Igloo is a series of CGI episodes exploring various projects that an experimental weapons testing group is assigned to review.

Just remember that since you're going to be watching Gundam in a purely chronological context, stories that chronologically take place next to each other aren't necessarily related to each other. For example, Mobile Suit Gundam starts in September 0079 and follows the adventures of the White Base ship, the Gundam, and its crew as they travel from space to earth, then back to space as they follow the front lines of the war. Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team starts in October 0079 and is about a different cast of characters that are fighting the ground war in south east Asia and have the objective of taking out an enemy superweapon and assaulting an enemy base.

>>15157552
>naive love solves everything story
>batshit insane commanders on BOTH sides
>fucking NEWTYPE KIDS
>NoZaku flying around
And those are the first things I remembered about.

>>15159637
>>15159645
Thanks, very helpful. I'm almost half way through MSG, so I guess that means I should look at Origin to see what led up to it. I'm fine with the idea of the story jumping around and focusing on different things. I'd just like to see the progression of the Mobile Suit designs as it gets farther along.

Really like the Gouf, but I think the Leo from WZ still holds top spot in my eye. But that's half the fun right? Finding other cool designs to ogle.

>>15159657
Ok, so I'll grant this, fucking newtype kids.

out of every trope in Gundam, especially the UC line, but honestly it falls into ALL of them, I FUCKING HATE KIDS PILOTING WAR MACHINES. It's an overdone trope that I'm just tired of seeing.

They're always whiny, emo, not quite shinji get in the robot types that frustrate me more than anything in Anime next to fucking Harem shit.

Everything else is pretty typical of Anime/War story's in general, how many western war story's have had "Love solves everything" and "Batshit insane commanders on both sides." I mean come on man... just because it has the tropes, doesn't make it bad... also consider it's age, and those tropes wern't super common back then either.

or are you just a revisionist?

>>15159657
bullshit

Did they really develop a hundred new units between MSG and Zeta?

>>15112518
>Better than GM
Actually, this is debatable. The GM beats it in just about every department save for armor material

>>15159659
IMO i would recommend watching the other parts of UC before origin, (Specifically Z-CCA) Because the origin was originally part of a separate "alt" timeline or retelling as a manga. It's now seemingly been incorporated into the main timeline by sunrise for the OVA's. The main thing is certain important characters are changed in subtle but important ways. YMMV tho.

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I liked her

>>15159613
>Is this an accurate list?
yeah

>>15161754
Its just Wufei being two things he hates most, a woman and a good teammate.

>>15087289
>Zi ORIJIIN
>8.41

>YUUNIKAAN
>8.39

Shit taste

>>15161474
>YMMV tho
Go back to TvTropes.

>>15161246
A lot of them were one-offs or proof-of-concept construction. The bulk of issued suits were just GM IIs or GMs upgraded to GM II specs.

They also introduced Hizacks, which were pretty much just tweaked Zaku II Hi Mobility types.

>>15162988
Wufei is not as elegant as this girl.

>>15159823
How can one be revisionist towards anime?

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>>15163041
>they replaced the perfection that was the Zaku II

I'll forever be upset.

>>15163946
Why would they keep using Zaku IIs?

>>15163939
He is probably a ANN anon

>>15163962
Nig, have you SEEN a Zaku 2?

>>15163939
>How can one be revisionist towards anime?
Try Black_Knight.

>>15164118
yep, Zaku 2 is /m/ pet

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>>15127143
>It's an adapted romeo and juliet, the moon eyed romance is the whole point
Romeo and Juliet is that some kind of cake?

>>15164389
I just don't understand how revisionism can be applied to cambodian pornography gravures. For example, In historical science revisionism is pretty simple.

>>15164389
>>15153469
I ain't Beetlejuice, knock it off.

>>15165716
They're mistaking revisionism with retcons. Or think they can push their American film black and white morality onto UC Gundam when it's clearly shades of gray.
Or it's just the lingering butthurt that after years of waging their war on facts, they have yet to find decisive proof to scuttle me.

Also the silly individuals who still insist on trying to push a black hole theory for UC where all the alternate timelines are able to coexist is impossible based on the major deviations of Origin and Thunderbolt compared to the original series (which was supplanted by the movie trilogy.).

>>15162991
This is nothing new.

>>15156603
Thanks for the info.

>>15144901
I haven't seen Miller's report because I hear it's not that good. Should I watch it or not?

>>15167593
If you're looking for action, it's not that kind of story. Story-wise, you can consider it like a bonus storyline that slots in at around episodes 8 and 9. Instead of just a military hearing, the Fed commanders also assigned intelligence officer Alice Miller to follow and investigate Shiro.

The worst thing about it is that it reuses animation from the two episodes, so it's not really a "movie" as much as a retelling of that part of the OVA with extra story bits here and there. Also it doesn't really change much because you have probably already finished watching the OVA so you know whatever Miller does, it can't really matter that much.

Dream /m/ game would be 08th MS Team + Republic Commando

>>15167744
I have no doubts on that score.

>>15167593
Miller's report just doesn't really have enough new content to warrant itself. It's not bad, per se, but it watches like a clipisode.

>>15169020
Yeah, I don't want to see a recap something like that, because for most cases they're bad. Except if there are things I need to see.

>>15169551
if you like the characters, it wraps everything up nicely.

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bazooka

>>15087289
IBO S2 is 8.30 on mal

>>15171146
they have good taste

>>15169591
But since I've watched recently the show it won't add anything great right?

>>15172194
It's not just a recap. there are new scenes and an ending that wraps everything up. nothing too crazy but its worth a watch.

>>15172202
When I finish watching other series and start missing the 08th MS team, I'll watch it. Currently I'm at "War in the Pocket" and I watch some G Gundam episodes here and there

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>MG Ground Gundam Commission

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>>15172236
Left overs from RX 78-2 Ver. Ka, makes sense since the RX 79-[G]'s are cobbled together out of spare RX 78-2 parts.

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>>15172258
Without the back pack on.

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>>15172266
We got guns over here.

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>>15172279
Details. I like the way weathered decals look

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>>15172295
Shiny duralinium piston under all the muck. Sander's Iconic weapon. It's such a great design. I don't understand how some people can just hide it away in the back pack.

>>15087322
The whole idea of young teenagers ending up fighting in war is also a thing in most Gundam series. Not to mention a lot of other Animes.

>>15171146
>IBO S2 is 8.30 on mal
One of the rules is to not take the MAL Scores seriously.

>>15172236
He's very handsome

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Kiki Rosita

>>15161754
Her voice sounded really familiar.

>>15174332
Topp - Voiced by Yoshiko Sakakibara (The same Haman and Nanai's VA)

>>15174609
Yeah, Haman is who I was thinking of.

Why did so many people hate the last episode of 08th MS Team?

>>15175603
Because it shows us how serious is Shiro's godmode and what an asshole he is.
He survived an explosion and all he got is a leg wound. And somehow he manages to survive far away from the civilization. He doesn't suffer from any food shortages, he has avoided gangrene. And all that without the help of a qualified doctor.
And Aina is totally alright, without any actual wounds.
Then they found the newtype children. Why the fuck did Zeon sent this shuttle with no fire support and the route was so close to Earth?
Why did Shiro left children in the woods instead of taking them to the city, where they can socialise and get proper education? Instead of that he decided "fuck this, now you would live like prehistoric tribals away from evil progress"
Why didn't EF sent some kind of MaHa/Titans to recover the documents and children from the shuttle?
If the shuttle has such great amount of newtypes, then why didn't it ever emerged in any other story? Every newtype is extra valuable.

>>15175603
I saw Episode 12 years after the rest of the series. This was due to Toonami back in the day only showing the original 11 and if 12 was a straight ova made later, idk. But it always was a burning question in my head to see what had happened to Shiro and Aina. I loved this series out of the whole Gundam Universe as the animation was awesome and captured a warlike feeling. The final episode was a lil slow but did answer the burning question of what happened to the star crossed pair. If they had been shown up halfway and then have em talk about their past year together then It would have been perfect for me.

0080>08th MS Team>0083

0080 ever so slightly edges out 08th, mainly because of Hamburger Lad and based David Hayter

In my opinion.

>>15087270
08th MS team is probably the best Gundam OVA, and it's definitely the best recommendation for new and nearly-new viewers.

>>15087605
I hated the fact that HG Ez-8 was missing that cannon.

>>15097277
Igloo is good and I don't mind the dated cgi, the only thing I hated about it was having characters overreacting based on Japanese cliques.

>>15099652
>Gundam Breaker 2 features both the (G) and the Ez-8
>They're shit tier in terms of base stats
>There is no EFGF decal

I love 08th mobile suits but damn it if they suck in that game

>>15177964
>I hated about it was having characters overreacting based on Japanese cliques.
I hate them too

>>15175603
>Why did so many people hate the last episode of 08th MS Team?
I liked that episode. I felt it closed off ''08th MS Team'' very nicely, reinforcing just how life changing Shiro and Aina are on people that they meet.

>>15179130
Considering what we've found out has happened to other newtype experiments, the ending was nice.

>>15179130
Honestly, I was just pissed off that a group of newtype children are now just abandoned, living alone in Vietnam. I have no hope for their survival.

>>15179137
I always considered them as spin-off material.

>>15172236
This gumpla is simply awesome

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Shiro and Kiki
What went wrong?

>>15181611
Aina

>>15175603
It's a bit hyperbolic to say that it ruined the entire series, especially since it wasn't a bad episode. Should it have been shorter? Sure. Did it more or less leave us in the same place as episode 11? Yeah. But I loved it.
I mean, what's not to like? Shiro and Aina help a group of child soldiers survive and give them identities apart from the disposable tool they had been until that point, and they dispose of their past and live happily ever after in a goddamn log cabin. And Aina's got a bun in the oven. Love it.
And don't say it ruins everything because Shiro and Aina's deaths were left in limbo, because they weren't. The credits of episode 11 showed the camp they made to recover in, and it showed the two of them (in silhouette) being very much alive. Minus a leg.

>>15102122
Is Shiro the luckiest guy in the series? It's like he siphoned it out from the rest of the cast.
The sheer amount of stupid luck is amusing.

>>15184459
yep, Shiro is one of the best gundam MCs

>>15172266
nigger apply a dull coat.

>>15185543
Yeah, Shiro, Domon, Uso and Judau are the best gundam MCs

Surprised no one has posted the fucking fortune sons version of the OP
https://youtu.be/2Yf4AhoGDkQ

>>15188044
Thank you anon

>>15186461
What is the matter with this?

>>15102122
Why do the worst girls always win?

>>15189298
>Why do the worst girls always win?
This happens in all the genres

>>15176210
shit taste

>>15184459
>Is Shiro the luckiest guy in the series?
bullshit

>>15188728
>What is the matter with this?
Absolutely none

>>15189298
>Why do the worst girls always win?
that's mecha and not romance

>15128567
>>15133944
>>15135975
>>15141066
>>15175603
08th MS Team's first director, Takeyuki Kanda, died in a car accident during production of the series. After seeing some of his other works, especially Vifam, I have a huge respect for episode 12 of 08th MS Team.

>>15193234
>08th MS Team's first director, Takeyuki Kanda, died in a car accident during production of the series.
I knew nothing about this.

>>15193234
>>15193249
That's not all, his replacement Umanosuke Iida died of lung cancer several years later.

I think 08th MS Team might actually be cursed.

>>15087289
>Caring what MAL thinks

Away with you

>>15193766
>his replacement Umanosuke Iida died of lung cancer several years later.
was it on account of the cigarette?

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he's a good guy

>>15116697
Newtypes are Gundam

>>15194307
Probably so.

>>15194684
Shame about his reputation though. Really sucks to be the one guy who never dies.

>>15194684
Grim Jinx, Shinigami, The Reaper

>>15194684
He literally seemed to just be toying with them and he killed 3 gun tank crews without breaking a sweat almost got Shiro too.

>>15161754
FUCKING MILITIAS

>>15194740
So are they little gods?

>>15201381
nope, Newtypes are Tomino bullshit.

>>15087270
For me 08th MS team really portrayed the nitty gritty aspect of war really well. It's execution of the idea that soldiers are just cogs in the machine was done really well. Even with their own personal agendas it was really likable compared to others that tried it (Gundam SEED Destiny for one).

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>>15087421
>It did that so well that we have marvelous depictions of absurdity like the Spider Gouf and a Ball tanking an entire drum of Zaku machine gun fire.
Yeah the Ball is definitely OP

>>15136961
He is best guy in terms of how fuckable he is

>>15087270
I like it but the characters and romance were a bit too silly for me to be honest.

>>15194684
Probably my favorite character outside of Elador

>>15201515
What game is that? Suddenly, I feel the need to play this.

>>15201786
SD Gundam Online, its offline forever.

>>15201786
It was SD Gundam Capsule Fighter. Sadly, you might be too late to the party I heard servers all around were gonna close down

>>15159637
Production Order is best, there's some zeta cameos in 0083 that would make more sense if you watched Zeta. Plus Zeta is my all time favorite Gundam series and it's really enjoyable. ZZ was a little jarring at first but gets a little better. I think it could have been better if it was a little more serious. There was some fairly dark material that could have been better.

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I liked her

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Hot or not?

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>>15208132
08th has the worst girls

>>15198317
Colonel Sanders did not kill 3 gun tank crews, he's part of Shiro's squad. You're probably thinking of Norris Packard, who is Aina's right hand man.

WAR IS BAD, MMKAY!!!

>>15208792
Well, it is.

>>15201882
>>15205517
It is really sad.

>>15208728
shes cute

This here sums it up perfectly. My first intro to Gundam was Gundam Wing and then 08th MS Team. Then G Gundam. I didn't manage to watch any of the others during their run on what used to be toonami. Wing was straight out fantasy 5 teens sent to Earth with massive mobile suits that never seem to need resupply and some home all of OZ and the Alliance manage to miss their stolen carriers and their transport trucks they have that are driven by teens. Then when battle happens zomg everyone is fodder for the gundams. 08th MS Team was the opposite it showed me that gundams could fall that they were not industructible machines that could lay waste to all before them. I wish the series was longer then it is and I feel they could have done more with it as parts of it feel really rushed though it wasn't to bad.

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>>15208740
>08th has the worst girls
It's not true

>>15214120
>I wish the series was longer then it is
Some times Anon, good things do come in small packages

>>15214876
You're just proving my point by posting the second worst girl.

Daily reminder, filthy feddies raped Kiki and killed her.

>>15218100
but Karen is so cute

>>15087270
Yeah, I remember watching this on Toonami back in the day.

>>15219527
I like "Mobile Suit Gundam Wing" It's one of my personal favorites of all time mate.