Mobile Suit Gundam F91

>>15082891

He wasn't.

>>15082891
He was a powerful newtype. His mom was Camille.

>>15082896
this, along with the fact that this motherfucker can breathe in space

>>15082891
We never see Seabook's autistic phase

>>15082916
Seabook is one of the best Gundam MCs

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Drosie was the best girl

>>15082891
>Why was he so good?

Not enough time to make him into an idiotic autistic in F91.

>>15082891
He was already in college.

>>15083413
>He was already in college.
Who?

>>15082891
I seem to remember something about a bio-computer. Though I don't remember if he did a bunch of simulations as a kid like Uso.

>>15083432
Seabook Arno

>>15083460
Yeah F91 had a Bio-computer invented by Seabook's mom. It's basically a reverse psycommu system. Instead of drawing on the pilot's psychic powers, it feeds data to the pilot allowing them to control the machine more effectively. It also helps that Seabook is a weak newtype.

...but what really makes him a powerful pilot is just 10 years of pure combat experience by UC133.

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Seabook's mother is Kamille's female version

You really think there's a fucking male kamille

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That was a very beautiful symbol, and I have never forgotten it.

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>>15084475
>Kamille's female version
So just regular Kamille?

>>15085968
this movie should have been broken up into three!!!! also the animation was top notch
made me remember dyrl level of awesome animation

I wish they would do more Late-UC timeline series like F91 and Victory.

>>15082891
OP F91 is like a William Shakespeare work

>>15086626
Me too.

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>>15087617
like this?

>>15087764
Yeah. I think these models are fucking cool.

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>>15084475

>>15088649
Why the hell did she fall? Was she drunk?

>>15088678
soul weigh gravity

>>15088678
She his a box that was taller than the front wheel of the scooter allowed.

>>15088692
They were on a colony, dummy.

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>>15088712
>Spacenoid's faces when you tell them colonies have gravity too.

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What's your problem?

>>15088737
Cuck autism

>>15088737
>"oh no its a monster get away"

bravo cuckold

>>15088737
How did he tear this door open? Does he have a terminator body with a human brain in his helmet?

>>15090063

He's probably partially a cyborg or something.

>>15082891
Now, I'm going to first just throw it out that I loved F91, easily one of my favorite Gundam shows and I will be forever mad that the Tomino lied to me with the end scene. But it did have a lot of pacing issues. Time passes by really fast, and the scene transitions don't convey them that well. Two notable things off the top of my head are Seabook suddenly teleporting to a different colony from one scene to the next, and one of the Crossbone soldiers immediately defecting to the Federation out of nowhere. There is probably some more. On top of that, while the movie itself had a resolution with the defeat of Carozzo, it leaves the overall plot of Cosmo Babylonia, Zabine, and Dorel Ronah hanging. Without a proper continuation, it just detracts from it. Eternal Wind is easily one of my top Gundam ED songs.

>>15088731

Man this guy becomes such a douchebag in CB

Can someone give me a refresher why people call Carozzo a cuck?

Cecily isn't his daughter or something?

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One of the best animated deaths in Gundam.

>>15091345
Carozzo is a cuck because he was extremely displeased after his wife left him for someone else.

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>>15091365
Cecily's mom ran away with this guy.

>>15091365
The definition of cuck is that he has to be happy with it, though.

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>>15090747
Thing that makes F91 and its sequel my fav is its basically 18th century naval drama IN SPAAACE+ space pirate robots, and it was a fucking great idea for RPing. Also crossbone's robots are awesome.

>>15091381
Fuck the real life definition, this is the internet where "dank" doesn't mean damp and cold. According to alt-right, cuck is anyone who has their partner stolen from them, regardless of how either partner feels about it.

>>15091415
I will remember this next time when leftists use their "B-BUT WORDS CHANGE MEANING OVER TIME" argument.

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>>15091373
>When you cuck the insane space royalty JUST RIGHT

>>15091415

I don't know (or care) which side of the political side of the spectrum does it, but "cuck" is used for even more broadly than that to designate anyone who didn't win a lover - even if they were never in a relationship with them in the first place. They don't even have to a serious contender, and their feelings might never even be noticed, but they'll still get labeled a "cuck" for not getting a relationship.

>Best Romeo and Juliet in space adaptation will never be completed

>>15091381
I'm pretty sure the implication of being a cuckold originally was that the man in question didn't know he was being cheated on. Thus the idea that he had horns that everyone could see except him. A Dale Gribble sort of situation.

>>15091645

There's not much of Romeo and Juliet about it. Cecily barely cares for her family and spends more of it fighting them than in them, Seabook doesn't even have a familial connection to the Federation, only to the Gundam's creation, and they don't care about making peace between their "families", just defeating Cecily's family, because they're objectively worse than Seabook's not-actually-a-family.

>>15091645
>Best Romeo and Juliet in space adaptation will never be completed
made by William Tomino Shakespeare

I'll just throw in my two cents and say that I also liked F91 and do wish they would do something about that last scene. Pacing issues made it feel a bit wonky and some motivations were either not explained properly making some events weird but overall, I found it enjoyable to watch. The ending song feels real good. It's up there with Tsuki no Mayu from Turn A. As for the F91 itself, the suit is probably the design SNRI ever rolled out. It has everything it needs to do what it has to do (though I still say it needs more explosives). It feels like a complete idea and a summary of late UC tech "too many beams so have a beam shield and make sure not to get hit at all".

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lewd girls

>>15091348
What I really liked about f91 was how it showed how civilians were affected by battles as they went on.
Typically you don't really see the casualties of a battle until a you get a shot that shows the aftermath, but f91 often seamlessly added this element to its battles.

It's a shame that F91 was a movie instead of a TV series. They could have at least made it into a 6-12 episode OVA series or something. Why didn't they do that?

>>15094302
From what I remember it didn't pan out financially.There was supposed to be more movies but because it didn't do so well, they didn't make any more.

>>15093624

F91 still has the most intense first battle in Gundam.

>>15094324
this is true

>Mobile Suit Gundam F91 OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSxqE_r06P0

>>15083032
>>15083051
>Mobile Suit Gundam Crossbone Opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtRtaMWoYxM

In terms of speed, both the F91 and a Gundam with a Trans-Am System are absurdly fast. But, I couldn't help but wonder which one would win out in the end, considering that GN Drives are revolutionary in their design. So, discounting the crazy stuff that the 00 Raiser gets up to later (quantum teleportation), would the F91 be on even footing with a Trans-Am enabled Gundam?

>>15097223
F91's MEPE mode isn't really it moving too fast to see like Trans-Arm. It's just shedding the top layer of its armor in order to rapidly exhaust heat from intensive performance, aka "after-images with mass"

So Trans-Arm is basically on another level altogether. MEPE was only depicted to be comparable to Trans-Arm in GBF, just 'cause

>>15093579
Pretty cool

>>15090070
Cyber Newtype, but it's been hinted at that he's had cybernetic parts. Which is why he really couldn't take off that mask. It was a part of him.

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>>15083490
I don't think he was fighting for ten years straight was he, I doubt the civil war with the Rohna's lasted that long.

>Realize that we'll never get a manga let alone an OVA showing the Civil war between the Berah faction and the likely Meitzer faction between F91 and Crossbone

Truly suffering.

>>15097223
Not entirely sure to be honest. S1 GN tech is analogous to late UC tech, what with GN fields, Fangs, and output. Essentially, it's actually pretty reasonable to assume that the 3rd generation CB Gundams are on-par with the F91 in terms of specs. Considering that the MEPE caused by the suit's exhaust when opening it's face doesn't increase it's performance as much as it does extend the operation time of the F91, (With the added effect of confusing enemy pilots and radar), the F91 would not be at any significant disadvantage against something like the Exia until Trans-Am comes into play, after which, it's likely the machine wouldn't be able to keep up and, due to the heat build up, the F91's performance would eventually begin to lower (Even with regular dissapating of heat, due to the fact that the very act of doing so actually slowly strips it of it's armor, and repeated high temperature build-up is not good for a machine). Also as far as the Build Fighters example, those were 2 highly customized model kits and as such, cannot be taken as an accurate representation of what would happen (as cool as it was).

>>15082891
I actually liked F91. Its a beautiful piece in my opinion but I am only disappointed as others have stated at the fact it could've been more. There really is a lot I liked in F91.

>>15098326
>We will never see Seabook pilot the F91 more, and get a slight upgrade of it
>We will never see Seabook kill Dorel in an F91 vs Vigna Ghina II dog fight
>We will never see the many duels between Seabook and Zabine
>We will never see a proper conclusion to the Cosmo Babylonia conflict

I want it more than Crossbone Gundam to be honest

>>15091322
But he gets such a sweet gundam so it balances out.

>>15101559
I don't blame you, the tone of of F91 and Crossbone aren't the same at all.

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This scene was hilarious.

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>female Amuro
Has someone else noticed this?

>>15101631
but they are very similar

>>15103044

Beyond having a few of the same cast there's very little similarity between them. The tone, designs, art, plot and so on are all very different.

>>15101559
Same here and I like crossbone (at least the original and Steel 7) but I'd trade it in a heart beat if it meant getting a fleshed out Cosmo Babylonia war.

>>15102150
This the one where Iron mask used the force to kill the guy?

>>15101559

I strongly doubt the F91 would have just gotten a slight upgrade. It almost certainly would have gotten outright replaced at some point, since te pattern of suit replacement had already been set by that point with Zeta and ZZ. Hell, Char's Counterattack managed to fit in a suit replacement really, and it was just a two hour film.

I'm always kind of suprised Banrise haven't made an MSV F91-II, F92, F99 or whatever gunpla though.

>>15103065
>This the one where Iron mask used the force to kill the guy?
yep

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Cecily is pretty sexy

>>15082891
Does anyone know why did the TV series get cancelled?

>>15104038
There wasn't a TV series to begin with. It changed formats while still in development.

>>15104041
and what would be its original format? OVA or Series?

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>>15104054
I'm being pedantic and autismal as fuck, but basically I meant it wasn't cancelled because it didn't even exist as a TV series yet. All they did was change the format. You make it sound like someone rejected it because it wasn't doing well.

Stuff just changes during development, that's all. G-Reko started out as being only tangentially related to Gundam and was sort of like a new IP being planned by Tomino that might have been a novel series or something. And then somewhere along they way they decided to turn it into an animated Gundam project.

>>15104066
I understand it fully now, thank you anon.

>>15103832
Sneaky

>>15084475
>Kamille's female
>>15102501
>female Amuro
Traps

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>>15103832
Not very convincing when you consider that artist has actually drawn Cecily.

>>15104054
It was going to be a series.
But then they decided not to invest that much time/money into it and only made a movie out of what would have been the second arc of the series.
Basically, F91 is Part 2 of a compilation trilogy with no part 1 or part 3 for a series that never got made.

>>15091401
Hell yeah. The Crossbone Gundams are all sexy beasts (especially the X2), the story's pretty well done, Crossbone Vanguard's a very cool faction in aesthetics and in overall characterization, and Seabook (a.k.a. Kincaid or Kinkedo or whatever) is one of my favorite Gundam pilots, supplanted only by Garrod Ran. Plus F91 obviously had potential, even if the movie's so rushed as to be practically unwatchable, so getting to see it with actual pacing would be fun.

So as a fan of most gundams that has never seen this series, is it worth picking up?

>>15108790
It's a movie with cool mecha designs and fights.
Why wouldn't you?

>>15108819
I don't have a lot of free time.

>>15108889
Lucky for you, F91 is less than two hours.
It's not a series, it's a movie.

Be warned, though, that it's basically a compilation of the middle part of a series so it covers over a year's time in that two hours and they didn't bother with any "Two months later..." subtitles. When someone who just broke his arm a minute ago is suddenly ready to take the cast off, or someone's hair is suddenly longer, you're supposed to notice that time has passed. This is F91's only real flaw in my opinion (and could easily be fixed with fucking "SIX MONTHS LATER...." subtitles but no one has ever bothered [including me]).

>>15105892
she's filled with cellulite

>>15082891
I had so much fun and I really loved it.

The first act, until Seabook and Cecilly got separated was near perfect. then it turned into a mess, although a very good mess.

>>15112482
Well, animation wise at least.

>>15082891
This is a way better movie than CCA. CCA gets sidetracked following Quess and Hathaway - two boring and frustrating characters when we'd all have rather spent more time with Amuro and Char. It's also a poor culmination of the early UC saga, as the characterization and motivations of the characters are poorly defined and it's really unclear how we got from Zeta/ZZ to this, and the ending is very unsatisfying. Meanwhile, F91 stays focused on Cecily and Seabook. And even while it would have been nice to see a lot of the side stuff fleshed out more, Cecily and Seabook's story is really well done and gets a complete arc that ends in a very satisfying manner.

>>15115900
I get it and I totally and completely agree.

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>>15116258
Outstanding finish

>>15116258
How much does it cost?

>>15085968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nxosDTlJ9g
This was a real favorite of mine for a while just from using F91.

>>15093624
Yeah, I like how Unicorn does something similar, especially the teacher pushing the students and staff into the door just before the beam hits and he dies.

>>15117053
my too

>>15117057
>especially the teacher pushing the students and staff into the door just before the beam hits and he dies.
I had not realized it yet.

>>15117057
>I like how Unicorn does something similar
There are, to be sure, many remarkable similarities between them.

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>>15102501
You bet I have. Femuro is CUTE

>>15122498
>You bet I have. Femuro is CUTE
agree

>>15123251
>>15122498
>>15102501
More like FATmuro

>>15115900
It's also a poor culmination of the early UC saga, as the characterization and motivations of the characters are poorly defined and it's really unclear how we got from Zeta/ZZ to this, and the ending is very unsatisfying. What I would really like is a 0083 for CCA. An OVA to linked ZZ to CCA like 0083 linked 0079 to Zeta.

>>15116258
Much as I love it's look, I hate it's tiny feet...

>>15124514
i agree

>>15124481
I don't really think that's necessary. I honestly didn't think 0083 was necessary for explaining the intermediate. There's no real huge plot holes that needs filling in. Londo Bell was created to be neo-Titans, except not corrupt since they have Bright overseeing them. The only real thing that makes no sense is Char's heel-turn into a full-blown villain. Which, desu, I can pretty well read between the lines and guess what was going on in his mind, but the film needed a bit more time to establish that for the average audience member, instead of wasting a bunch of time with Hathaway and Quess.

>>15124514
Bandai made the feet on the MG and HGUC F91 too small, as well

>>15124481
I don't think it's underrated. Where have you seen dislike of it? I've seen nothing but praise. It's not talked about much, but when it is, it's generally positive.

>>15126688
>I don't really think that's necessary. I honestly didn't think 0083 was necessary for explaining the intermediate.
I agree that it isn't necessary or that 0083 was necessary, but a small 4-5 episode OVA of what Char was doing during his off screen time post Zeta that really delved into his psyche would be a cool addition to UC. Something less about mobile suit battles and more focused look at the mindset of a single character is something I think could really add to the depth of CCA. And I don't think there's anyone that likes Quess and Hathaway.

>>15126688

I think the average person could fill in the blanks for themselves. The problem is that average people came up with like, half a dozen different theories about why he did what he did. All of which are equally valid, at least to their proponests and the film being so open means there's no way to really nay say any of them.

He did it because he became bitter over Lalah over time. No he did it because he never got over Lalah and his talks to Amuro in Zeta were just him hiding his feelings for a greater cause. No he did it because he lost his faith in humanity after what happened to Kamille. No he did it because he's always been the same jaded individual who was interested in the betterment of humanity regardless of cost. No he did it because he was just angry at Amuro and wanted to draw him out in to a final duel. No he did it because he wanted to leave a legacy and honor his father. And so on.

The film didn't care to establish his motivation for definite, so lots of different theories have sprung up over the years. That's what happens when a successful work leaves things open to interpretation. I don't think 0083 was remotely necessary to explain the Titans, because 0079 already gives more than enough reason to establish them in the first place. If Tomino wanted to establish Char's motivations though he could have done a better job. He may not have wanted to though, and may simply have wished to leave it open..

>>15128503
I liked Quess and Hathaway. Hathaway could've been axed though it was nice to see Mirai again, but Char manipulated Quess helped show how much of a blatant manipulator Char, and helps you to remember he's always been that way since MSG.

>>15088356
X-1 and 2 exist as HGUC and the X-3 can easily be cuilt by getting the full cloth and another X-1, move the skull from the chest of the full cloth to the X-1 and paint as appropriate.

As for the Blue mass pro, well its a X-1 with parts removed.

>>15128614
>Tomino
Can we all agree Tomino should stay away from the movie story formate? I actually enjoyed Double ZZ's characters more than this short, but I do love the Crossbones as the new Zeon in their mobile suit designs and the main Villain being anime Darth Vader. The Beam sigils/flags were cool and the fact they show the scenes like that one women getting KO'd by the flying GM shell casings was very nice touch on showing us the UC's narrative of "War is terrible". I would only recommend this movie if they decided to adapt the Crossbones manga series unless they do a good recap of the events of F91 in a new Crossbone anime.

>>15128658
>Can we all agree
No you dumbass, this is 4chan

>>15128658

You don't even need it for Crossbone frankly, because Crossbone stands up well enough on it's own, reintroducing any characters or concepts that were in F91 and explaining them since it assumes the reader is unfamiliar with them. Those things are fairly minor elements on the whole anyways.

>>15116258
>>15124211
He gets me so hard

>>15128658
>Can we all agree
Now that the dust has settled, I think we can all agree, once and for all, that these phrases are really fucking stupid.

>>15091365
>Carozzo is a cuck because he was extremely displeased after his wife left him for someone else.
I totally agree with you.

>>15105892
Pretty sexy

>>15128658
Tomino just didn't have nearly as much experience with film as with television. You can't compare the two.

F91 is very true to the spirit of UC Gundam, and it's enjoyable for an evening watch.

>>15082891
F91 did make it into a whole TV series, it must mean Seabook would have gotten a Gundam upgrade in the middle.

>>15083174
>Drosie
She has the best design between all characters.

>>15126742
robot spirit F91 is the closest to true F91 form and proportion you can get. I give up on the hg and mg line long time ago...

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>>15105888
I'm disappointed there's no fembright.

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>>15137304

>>15137900
lewd girls

>was originally meant to be an entire series
>condensed into a single movie
what were they thinking? at least make it a trilogy

>>15137358
Why is he hitting on Seabook?

>>15137304
>robot spirit F91 is the closest to ''true F91 form'' and ''proportion'' you can get.
i agree with you

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Seabook and Cecily

>>15105910
>F91 is Part 2 of a compilation trilogy with no part 1 or part 3 for a series that never got made
This is the first I've ever heard of there being more content before F91. I would love to believe you.

It would make for an interesting LOGH style movie given what we know of the backstory already.

>>15124481
>What I would really like is a 0083 for CCA
If we were ever lucky enough to see Return of Johnny Ridden animated, it would be kind of that but better.

>>15124193
Thiccmuro

>>15142907
>Thiccmuro
What the hell is this

>>15085968
It reminds me of scene between Shinn and Lunamaria in 45 episode from Gundam Seed Destiny

>>15133246
Fuck you yes I can.

>>15140191
MC being slapped by a random character, it's a gundam trope.

>>15144830
yeah, see >>15087245

>>15116258
could this look any better?

F91's only issue was that it encompassed a story that needed more space to breathe. The mobile suit designs were fantastic. Also that part where the massive shell casing nails that lady in the head has always stuck with me - usually Mobile Suit parts and debris get thrown around but you never see any consequences for the people on the ground.

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Cecily

>>15137900
I love this models

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>>15091348
>One of the best animated deaths in Gundam.
Yeah

>>15149219
shes a obese

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This movie was great.
It was like the Gundam universe, star wars and William Shakespeare molded into one.

>>15083490
Zero System predecessor?

>>15153079
No, bio-computer allows the pilot to become one with the mobile suit, like it was an extension of his body. If properly configured, It feeds sensor data to the pilot as if he was feeling it with his own senses, and also allows mental control of the suit like a regular psycommu system but also works with oldtypes.

Zero system is a battle computer that calculates battle scenarios and outcomes and feeds that data to the pilot. Apparently it also does palm readings and other general psychic readings, that is why a number of people who pilot the Wing Zero and Epyon talk about having seen their and other people's futures. In theory the pilot should pick the battle outcome and the future they want and then work toward that, but if they're not used to the Zero system or just weak-minded then they will get overwhelmed by the scenarios that the Zero system feeds to them, and they will start seeing hallucinations. The Zero system has nothing to do with control interfaces or mind control of the suit, although the Epyon has an optional VR style helmet as well as normal cockpit displays for the pilot's preferred view.

>>15153026
he seems to be suffering a lot without one of the leg

>>15082891
Had to stop watching it about halfway through because the pacing was so bad. I was putting more thought into filling in the gaps as the plot went along than I was into actually enjoying it.

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I like this model

>>15156616
me too

>>15155010
>because the pacing was so bad.
I liked the show's pacing.

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nice models

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>>15159223

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>>15159231

>>15159223
>>15159231
>>15159236

>ywn build these models

>>15159742
I mean, you technically could hunt down the old F91 kits (or wait for Bandai to reprint them), and then put in the work required to make them look this good.

>>15159785
>or wait for Bandai to reprint them
Of course this would clearly be a long-term affair.

>>15159785
Different anon, but it's that I will never have the skills to make something that looks that good.

>"But why don't you practice and build those skills"
Because the amount of time to get to that level of model building is phenomenal. Also I believe that most if not all of those models is scratch built

>>15103832
>posts fanart of Nanai
>says it's Cecily

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>>15160915
>Cecily
here

>>15160915
>Nanai
Who is she?

What is the difference between F91 and F90?

>>15162910
1

>>15162910
Nothing about the two Gundams are similar except the feet and legs.

>>15161767
Nanai Miguel is a slut from Char's Counterattack

>>15159223
this designs are awesome

>>15085968
gundam shows written by Tomino always have the best finals.

>>15162949
t. quess paraya

>>15162910
one got bio computer
the other two got A.I."A.R." and A.I. "C.A."

Cecily with short hair is pretty ugly.

>>15116258
Are the other suit designs from the show nice?

>>15165305
The Crossbone mobile suits

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>>15164865
I think she's cute

>>15165418
She looks like a Dutch guy

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Does she have a fire crotch?

>>15166087
Yeah. Where the fuck's the nipples?

>>15166070
Fuck you, I laughed.

>>15166118
Seriously, she looks like the Dutch player called Dirk Kuyt

>>15166122
She only needs to dye it blonde.

I still find her cute though.

>>15166148
I prefers Drosie

>>15166153
Good taste.

>>15083174
is he Pele?

>>15166087
>Does she have a fire crotch?
For the introduction of a penis

Does Gundam F91 follows the story after Char's counterattack or a new story in later UC timeline? Also, whether should I go for dub or sub for f91 and victory?

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>>15167608
F91 is a new story with different characters set 30 years after Char's Counterattack, and has nothing to do with CCA as it's not a story sequel in any way.

I don't really think dub or sub matters for F91 as there's no recurring characters from other stories or anything like that, so do as you like. Get a dual audio release and just switch the audio track if you don't like the voices for whatever reason. Victory is sub only as it was never dubbed in English.

>>15167634
>F91 is a new story with different characters set 30 years after Char's Counterattack, and has nothing to do with CCA as it's not a story sequel in any way.
So is he a standalone version?

>>15167659
Obviously if he said it was a new story with different characters and has nothing to do with CCA, it's not standalone.

>>15167695
So don't I need to watch any other gundam show to watch f91?

>>15167713
Sigh.

NO YOU DO NOT NEED TO.

>>15167720
Thank you anon

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I liked grandpa

>>15137358
This will serve to show that dialogue is possible, even on very difficult and emotional issues.

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>>15083174
yeah

>>15091345
I especially liked Carozzo and the Crossbone mobile suits.

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What the fuck was his problem?

>>15083174
You.
I like you.

>>15172493
who knows

it's never really explored why carozzo wants to kill of 3/10ths of humanity other than the "reee the feddies are polluting earth again" but that's really weak since this late in the UC almost no one lives on earth. in one monolgue he says he was "instructed to" but i doubt cecilys grandfather actually told him to exterminate people in the colonies and on earth.

my headcanon is the stress of getting cucked and becoming a cyber newtype drove him nuts.

>>15172522
Carozzo is an incomprehensible guy.

>>15172522
>cyber-newtype
I say it speaks for itself

>>15172948
you could be more specific

>>15172493
>What the fuck was his problem?
being ugly

>>15172522

> i doubt cecilys grandfather actually told him to exterminate people in the colonies and on earth.

I don't. The leader of notZeon being full double faced and speaking publicly of nobilisse oblige (shitty on it's own frankly), while privately having less noble ambitions and ideas wouldn't be the least bit surprising. Nor do I think it likely Carozzo/Iron Mask would be able to build a force of bugs without his superior's knowledge.

>>15170319
Imagine how much more screen time she would have gotten if the show had had a anime.

>>15172951
Has there ever been a Cyber-newtype that doesn't have/get mental problems

>>15173879
>Has there ever been a Cyber-newtype that doesn't have/get mental problems
Yeah. Puru and Marida

>>15174699
I thought purus were clones, not enhanced humans

>>15174699

Gyunei was a stable cyber newtype as well. Any problems he had were because he was a teen, not because he was cyber enhanced.

>>15174699
Chara and Mashymre are normal

>>15174728
>Chara and Mashymre are normal
yeah but they went in crazy
maybe that's the secret, you put crazies in and get useful pilots out

>>15174728
>Chara and Mashymre are normal
They somewhat resembled normal people at one point.

>>15174731
>maybe that's the secret, you put crazies in and get useful pilots out
I've never thought about that before.

>>15174699
>>15174701
As I understood it, Puru is a natural newtype that they may have enhanced and then started cloning. The clones were more aggressive (at least Puru 2 was).

>>15175515
>The clones were more aggressive
Marida too. After being captured by Martha.

I watched F91 for the first time recently. I agree with you, I viewed it as just a movie not a compressed series. I really enjoyed it, I did notice a few parts that skip forward in time out of nowhere but it didn't hinder my viewing experience. I really liked the vibe of the whole movie, and I especially liked Carozzo and the Crossbone mobile suits. I will definitely go back and watch this movie if I want a short nice gundam experience and don't feel like watching the OVAs or a 50 episode series.

>>15128658
Can we all agree Tomino should stay away from the movie story formate?

I feel as if F91 is rated just about where it deserves to be, the only negative people seem to bring up is that it was rushed due to being a movie and a full series would have been great at fixing that issue.

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>>15082891
Fuck off I will be forever mad that the Tomino lied to me with the end scene.

>>15086626
I agree but it should be some spinoff or just Crossbone.
I seriously hope they'll ignore Victory era, nothing against it but it's my least favorite era and Ms design

>>15090747
Obvious cuts made because they couldn't into the movie since F91 was supposed to be a full show. Since it was Tomino I wasn't really surprised by the time jumps between scenes and complete 360+180 turns by some characters.

What pissed me off mostly was the lack of continuity in drawing/shaders quality plus characters changing hair colors.

>>15105892
No wonder she pilots the Vagina Ghina

>>15109049
I have no idea why I'm aroused now...

>>15135447
Radiator Funnels

>>15179150
Cecily is a pure virgin

and faithful to Seabook's dick

>>15167634
This but take in mind that the lack of a major antagonist faction for years led the Federation to lethargic mode in terms of warfare/advancements/preparation with more pilots not accustomed to war or even prepared for a conflict.

That is why the surprise attack was so effective, not only Cosmo Babylonia performed a near perfect Blitzkrieg but Federation pilots being unprepared for any kind of real action was a factor too.

>>15172493
He is secretly a Relena fanboy

>>15179129
Wait, whaa?? Who changed hair colors?

>>15179241
Carozzo's wife

>>15179080
This shot at the end of the credits always interested me. It seemed like a teaser, along the same lines as the "This is only the beginning" before the credits. I got this sense that they were expecting or hoping that F91 would become iconic in its own right. There'd be a follow-up series, and people would remember Carozzo as one of the most interesting Gundam antagonists. It's kind of sad in a wistful way. Poor F91.

If it was foreshadowing something, Carozzo is dead, so maybe another character was supposed to take over the Iron Mask persona. Dorel Ronah?

>>15172493
It doesn't mean anything. It's simply the protagonist and antagonist of the F91 movie.

>>15172493
Its agreed, Crossbone Vanguard has some really nice dress uniforms?

>>15179794
Likely an artsy motif to draw a parallel between Iron masks decision to hide behind an iron mask, and a pilot fighting in a mobile suit.

>>15179799
I don't think his even a uniform but his own clothes, I'm talking about the others on that stage.

Been awhile since I watched this movie myself. Need a refresher.
Cecily was recovered by the F91 at the end right? Maybe it's kind of a "Luke, I am your father" thing between Iron Mask and Cecily.

>>15172493
It's been on my mind for a while, but open face F91 kinda looks like Iron Mask Carozzo.

>>15082891
F91 had kickass animation and fight scenes.

>>15179793
I think it means both sides think they are right in the conflict In my mind the gundam series has no real heroes and villains just people on oppsing sides

>>15179810
I don't think it's an open-face cross-section (clearly the chin on the right doesn't fit), I think it's just one of those cliche "Versus" posters, where you have the image divided down the middle with half a face on either side: Gundam F91 Vs. Iron Mask, in this case.

>>15101559
I know that feel.

People like Crossbone, but I want more F91.

>>15179818
Even so, open face F91 does bear a resemblance. In case if you haven't already know, this is shown at the very end of the credits. Perhaps some sort of foreshadowing had F91 continued as a series?

>>15179826
It's been at least a decade since I watched F91 (probably closer to 15 years), so my memory of its face under the armor is well faded. It could be that the resemblance is intentional, though I suppose I would probably have just seen it as the sort of resemblance that you'd expect in metal faces by the same group of artists. You could be right though; F91 is certainly a movie that leans on unlikely plot coincidence enough that there could easily be some connection between the villain and the protagonist suit that they never got around to explaining.

>>15179822
Crossbone is far better than F91

>>15179826
Its definitely just a split face poster with half F91 half iron mask, the right side is exactly what iron mask looks like. Its a very commonly used thing, its not trying to say that the iron mask is under the Gundam's face. If you search google you can find plenty of examples of other movies, etc using the same thing.

>>15179818
I figured it was supposed to be one of those "Gundams are modern day Knights" kind of thing. Didn't realize the right side of the image was a character.

>>15179818
Well it is evident that F91 is really really wanting to be Star Wars. I mean just compare the music. I almost feel like they were trying to go for a Luke/Vader thing here. Or even like Luke fighting Vader in the swamp. I dunno really, but I think it is the Star Wars wannabe thing going on.

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>>15179833
>Crossbone is far better than F91
But everything looks worse, with worse character writing and a group of antagonists that without their gimmicks would be less interesting than the Crossbone Vanguard that got no development or sympathy stories.

>>15179849
Its just a personal taste thing, but I always preferred series like Crossbone.

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>>15086931
>F91 is like a William Shakespeare work
Yeah

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>Unicorn and Origin get anime adaptations
>There still hasn't been an adaptation for Crossbone
Maybe if we buy more f91/Crossbone gunpla, Bandai will get the hint. Right guys? Right?

>>15182131
>Right guys? Right?
This is not 100% guaranteed

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Would the Gundam F91 be a match for a Gundam with a Trans-Am System?

>>15182934
In terms of speed, both the F91 and a Gundam with a Trans-Am System are absurdly fast. But, I couldn't help but wonder which one would win out in the end, considering that GN Drives are revolutionary in their design. So, discounting the crazy stuff that the 00 Raiser gets up to later (quantum teleportation), would the F91 be on even footing with a Trans-Am enabled Gundam?

>>15182934
>>15182945
Not entirely sure to be honest. S1 GN tech is analogous to late UC tech, what with GN fields, Fangs, and output. Essentially, it's actually pretty reasonable to assume that the 3rd generation CB Gundams are on-par with the F91 in terms of specs. Considering that the MEPE caused by the suit's exhaust when opening it's face doesn't increase it's performance as much as it does extend the operation time of the F91, (With the added effect of confusing enemy pilots and radar), the F91 would not be at any significant disadvantage against something like the Exia until Trans-Am comes into play, after which, it's likely the machine wouldn't be able to keep up and, due to the heat build up, the F91's performance would eventually begin to lower (Even with regular dissapating of heat, due to the fact that the very act of doing so actually slowly strips it of it's armor, and repeated high temperature build-up is not good for a machine).
Also as far as the Build Fighters example, those were 2 highly customized model kits and as such, cannot be taken as an accurate representation of what would happen (as cool as it was).

>>15182945
Well in the first Build Fighters, MKIII uses a custom Exia to fight his old classmate in a older barely modified F91 and barely won. I believe he said something about if the F91 had been in perfect form instead of well used he would have lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5S9MQc6lc

>>15182962
I don't think it's an entirely accurate representation considering the source, but that was actually a fight that happened in the Gundam Build Fighters anime.

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>>15182945
>>15182962
Hard to say. As you said Twin Drive Gundams tend to do some ridiculous feats. I would say that even discounting teleportation, 00 Raiser would be faster than F91. I'm basing this on the fact that in Build Fighters the F91 Imagine and the Amazing Exia were roughly even, and the 00 Raiser is shown to be considerably faster than any single drive gundam. Now single drive suits would probably be slightly slower than F91 based on the fact that the F91 Imagine is shown to be able to get behind the Exia multiple times. My personal take from that fight is that the F91 Imagine was faster, but Meijin Kawaguchi the Third was the superior "pilot." It was also mentioned by Kawaguchi that the F91 was in relatively poor condition which contributed to its loss.
I dunno, it's a tough call. Even with the Build Fighters example it's hard to compare to MS from different universes. After all, Build Fighters has its own rules for what makes a Gundam good, so it's hard to say that a particular suit's showing in BF is a good metric for how it actually performs in its native universe. And since suits from UC and suits from 00 operate on different principles it blurs the line even more. It would help if we had hard numbers for every suit, but really, only UC suits ever seem to have performance specs listed, and they aren't even consistent or grounded in realism anyway. The power output for the RX-78-2's Minovsky Fusion Reactor is listed in kilowatts. For comparison sake, so are microwave ovens.
Basically there isn't an accurate answer to your question.

>>15182993
The F91 is definitely a match for a Trans-AM equipped Gundam and it's the Trans-Am equipped gundam that's going to be trying to keep pace with the F91, not the other way around.

>>15183026
It's actually the GN Drive operation itself that causes the anti-gravity effect. Essentially, it allows any unit equipped with a true drive to move like it was weightless, whereas tau drives cut the weight to a third, even in Trans-Am.

>>15183031
Thanks for the clarification. So that means Tau drive MS are at a disadvantage until Trans-Am kicks in (at which point they become a match for the F91) while true GN drive MS are moving around like they're in space.
This certainly changes some things for an in-atmosphere battle. The Exia and co. would certainly be controlling the flow of the fight while Trans-Am is on. The F91 would be pressured to focus on evading the now much-faster-than-itself Exia and co. and maybe throw in a few shots to eat up time. So, the winning tactics for both sides remains the same but it becomes much more dangerous for the F91 when the opponent's

Trans-Am kicks in. For a space battle, the tactics are also the same but it comes down to skill of the pilot and speed of the MS. Weight is more or less a moot point but the performance boost from the GN drive will definitely still count.

This doesn't change my call though. The F91 is still more likely to win in general but only marginally when in atmosphere (as in if it survives past the Trans-Am time limit).

>>15083100
Seabook's a nerd!

>>15183026

What makes it definitely a match out of interest?

>>15183334
Basically this

>>15183053
The skill of the pilot may indeed be the deciding factor. If I'm piloting the Exia, for example, I'm going to try to get close when Trans-Am kicks in and finish it quick. But my suit's lack of effective long-range weapons is a natural handicap. If I have a choice, I'd use the 00-Raiser just because it has better long-range capability. I would have gone for a Qan-T but we don't really know a lot about the range and limits of its capability thanks for being underutilized in the movie.

>>15183376
If we're going to replace the Exia with the 00 Raiser or 00 Qan[T], the fight might start moving in their favor due to super robot power level shenanigans and having bits (in the 00 Qan[T]'s case specifically). A large energy shot or slash is going to unnerve most pilots except for the coolest of cucumbers.

>>15183381
I personally think the F-91 still has a decent chance against the 00-Raiser all things considered, but probably not against the 00 Qan[T]. The odds are just too great against the F-91 (infinite power supply, fully-synchronized Twin Drive, a Raiser Sword that seems to have the power of a colony laser, superior long and short range capability, possibly no down-time post-Trans Am). But I agree, that Raiser Sword will unnerve even the ballsiest uber-newtype pilots whatever unit they may be in.

Does anyone know what is the difference between MEPE and Trans-AM?

>>15183398
>Difference between MEPE and Trans-AM

MEPE is a process of which the MS unit starts to shed particles off it's metallic exterior - this causes the afterimage-effect we see in F91 and these afterimages have actual mass that would confuse the enemy's detection devices. This also incurs excess heat that is ventilated through the Radiator Fins and the "mouth" of the unit.

Trans-AM is a process of which the unit taps into the stockpiled GN Particles stored within the GN Condensers and the afterimages are essentially GN Particles. DESU, I'm not sure whether these afterimages have mass (Since GN Particles could change it's physical properties depending on how it's utilised) but it seems to be only capable confusing (scrub-tiered) tracking devices due to it's sheer speed from what I could tell in the Anime.

>>15183413
As far as Trans-Am afterimage, they aren't solid, but the sheer speed increase along with the afterimages both mess with targeting.

>>15183413
MEPE is actually another cooling mechanism activated when F91 is working at peak capacity and the face vent and radiator fins can't cool the machine fast enough. The afterimages are more of a byproduct.

>>15183417
If the afterimages produced by Trans-Am lacks mass (Or rather, has negligible mass), it really shouldn't be capable of affecting the targeting systems the same way MEPE does.
The afterimages, at most, would be visually confusing for the opposing pilot and most non-Gundam aces seems to have little issue in maintaining a certain level of visual contact against the CB pilots. (The F91 has a panoramic cockpit to boot)
Though I suppose it would be possible for the F91 to lose it's target in an asteroid field (Like what Full Frontal did in his battle against the Nahel Argama) but it kinda work both ways.

>>15183413
It would depend on which GN-Drive Gundam the F91 is fighting. For example, the F91 would do well to keep the Exia away, while for Dynames, its odds of surviving would improve if it gets close.
Generally, I'd say that the F91 has more than a decent chance against 3rd Generation CB Gundams. Maybe with the right pilot and tactics, it can go against 00-Raiser too.
It would have a hard time against 5th generation units though, like, the Qan-T for example. Possibly even a no-contest.

>>15183476
They'd both be fish food to a Kapool

>>15183413

Why would the after images confuse tracking devices anyways? Wouldn't the mass of the after images be a fraction of the mass of the actual suit, and the tracking device be configured to prioritize high mass objects like suits over low mass objects like after images? Even if it wasn't, I can't see someone not configuring their unit to prevent it happening more than once should they survive.

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>>15183081
>Seabook's a nerd!
fuck off Seabook is the best MC gundam

>>15183551

Why? He's a fairly boring protagonist, and I wouldn't even remember him to place him, good or bad, normally. Amuro, Uso, Domon, Garrod, Setsuna etc. would all be more interesting and likable in my opinion.

>>15183536
The GN Drives are pretty ridiculous in terms of it's specs and it functions as the suit's engine, inexhaustible power plant and Newtype-level plot armour / runs on GN Particles which are essentially limitless supplies of of magical Minovsky Particles that also doubles as an energy source.

>>15183569
>Amuro, Uso, Domon, Garrod, Setsuna
They've had several episodes

>>15183604
>They've had several episodes
This is exactly the problem. Seabook never had the time to get developed.

>>15183604

So what? You can't judge Seabook on what you think he might ahve become. What's actually there that makes him best?

>>15183587

I meant in the case of the F91, not a GN Gundam.

>>15179782
>If it was foreshadowing something, Carozzo is dead, so maybe another character was supposed to take over the Iron Mask persona. Dorel Ronah?
I wonder if the original story ever thought that far ahead, or if Iron Mask was simply always going to be the end villain but got brought forwards for the movie.

The most likely thing is that the Jupiter War might have happened, but more directly after the death of Iron Mask; so for the purposes of narrative Tobiah would never have been needed.

>>15179849
>worse character writing
That's what really kills Crossbone. The problem is, the longer it's left alone the more people will expect it to follow the manga so there's little to no hope for it ever getting fixed for an adaptation unless someone with a big name steps in to handle screenplay / scripts.

>>15183536
In UC, minovsky jamming has rendered most forms detection much less effective or even useless. The primary means of identification and detection is visual or laser-based, so optical sensors are commonly used, not radar. That's why long range precision guided fire with artillery and missiles isn't a thing anymore, and it's part of the reason why mobile suits are effective - they have a lot of firepower and agility that works well at close range, so a mobile suit can close in and sink a warship with just a few shots.

That's why MePe can fool optical sensors and infrared, because the afterimage resembles the mobile suit it came from and it carries heat. I don't know of any sensor systems that can detect the mass of an object other than the ground sonar used in 08th MS Team which obviously doesn't work in space. Radar doesn't detect mass so much as the radar waves that bounce off an object.

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my favourite character the show

>>15185315
But he's a /k/ anon

Can someone explain to me the gap between Unicorn and F91?

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>>15185393
A whole lot of nothing happens mostly. There's no newtype awakening, and no notable threats to Federation or colony stability, which means the Federation stagnates militarily and is caught with its pants down when a private army invades a few colonies.

>>15185393
Zeon has lost power by this point, even after Laplaces Box is revealed, Spacenoids gain more power, not Zeon. After Unicorn, the Federation decides that Newtypes are uncontrollable, so they abandon newtype research and technology, like psychoframes. If you notice, the Earth has slowly become more an more inhabitable throughout the UC universe as resources have dried up.
In F91, the F91 uses a biosensor, which increases the piloting skills of an oldtype, but when used by a newtype those skills are amplified even more. This is not a technology that was created for newtypes, but for oldtypes, as the Federation has abandoned newtype research.
The Crossbone Vanguard is not a new Zeon force, just a new spacenoid enemy. If you read more of the Crossbone mangas you see that there are still Zeon remnants, even years after the original principality fell apart after the One Year War.

>>15185409
Biosensor was an experimental technology that was the predecessor to the psycho frame. It's not explicitly built with newtypes in mind, but it is able to greatly amplify newtypes abilities as seen in the Zeta gundam with Camille. I think it's interesting to see this tech comeback in the post Unicorn era.

>>15185422
Upvote for honesty.

>>15185409
Not even 10 years ago, the question was "can someone explain to me the gap between CCA and F91". Whatever the answer was back then, it's not true anymore today, because they decided that Gundam Unicorn happened. Maybe in 10 years, they will come up with Gundam Bicorn, and whatever was said here will become false. I wouldn't give it much thought.

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>>15185408
yep

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>>15185438
>Gundam Bicorn
GF13-009NF Gundam Rose

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>>15185422
I'm not sure the biosensor the Zeta used is supposed to be the same thing as the one in the f91. Zeta having a biosensor was a retcon to better explain the the newtype shenanigans of the last episode, and didn't they talk about it as something Seabook's mom developed in the movie? I'm curious when exactly Zeta having a biosensor became canon, it would be pretty cool if the connection with f91 was intentional.

>>15185409
>After Unicorn, the Federation decides that Newtypes are uncontrollable, so they abandon newtype research and technology, like psychoframes.
Actually in OVA episode 3's dialogue, they mention that development of psycoframe had officially been halted already. Anaheim Electronics at Granada was responsible for keeping it a secret. That doesn't necessarily mean the Federation has abandoned newtype technology, though. While Hathaway's Flash is not exactly canon, Unicorn makes a few references to it.

>In F91, the F91 uses a biosensor, which increases the piloting skills of an oldtype, but when used by a newtype those skills are amplified even more.
What? No. First, it's called the bio-computer. Second, it doesn't enhance skill, it's a brain interface for mobile suits that is meant to allow mental control of a mobile suit and for the brain to process information from the mobile suit's sensors.

>If you read more of the Crossbone mangas you see that there are still Zeon remnants, even years after the original principality fell apart after the One Year War.
Really? I recall the old retired Zeon vet from Skull Heart, but I don't remember active Zeon remnants still around. At that point any original soldiers would be around 90 years old. Unless you're talking about the abandoned Zeon research lab.. which I wouldn't count as being remnants in the usual sense.

>>15185459
In UC 100 Zeon Republic abandoned (is this the right word?) its status as an independent country, and joined the federation as side 3. Therefore, Neo-Zeon lost its capacity and motivation to have any remarkable operations against Federation. There were Mars Zeon, first they tried to convert Olympus Mons into a rail cannon to bombard earth, but was stopped by the 13th Autonomous Corps; then they allied with Crossbone Vanguard in their earth invasion, and get defeated along side.

>>15179849
>>15183899
>worse character writing

Can you explain why you think so? I'm not saying your wrong, I want to hear your opinion.

>>15185465
This is exactly what happened to Zeon in a nutshell.

>>15185464
Basically the events in Unicorn were the final death throes of Zeon. The period after this was relatively peaceful and led to the EFF becoming complacent and corrupt. So when true threats like the Crossbone Vanguard and Zanscare Empire emerged decades later, the EFF was not prepared to handle them.
Hathaway's Flash is really the only thing set during this period. It goes to explain how the EF became corrupted and also how they deported illegal residents into outer space by force. Then the Xi Gundam is a big reason why mobile suits were scaled down in the F91 era, the thing was just so immensely powerful.

There was a faction of Zeon hiding on Mars as seen in Gundam F90.
As for the event happened in Unicorn, it'd consider to be a small scale skirmish between Federation force and a terrorist group. Media coverages would be control by the government. And what about that speech by Mineva? You could compare her to Snowden in real life, how many people take that seriously? Only a small % of the populations, perhaps. In the end nothing really change and the circle continues.
Also the reason the you feel that F91 was so different because Tomino wanted it to be a fresh new start but still retain that connection to the main timeline.

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Do any of you know that this exists? Also, Fuck off, unicorn didn't actually come to an end and there's a lot of room for a new plot.

>>15185507
Do you know that this exists?

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/reco-past/cams-rx0.htm

>>15185507
>RX-0 Unicorn Gundam 03 Phenex:

The Phenex is fielded in December 3, 0095 U.C. where it is deployed with the RX-0 Unicorn Gundam 02 Banshee in a shoal zone filled with debris due to reports of a Neo Zeon MS performance test. It then encountered the "Sleeves" and engaged in a heated battle against the AMX-107R Rebawoo. After repelling the Rebawoo, a Psycoframe resonance with the Banshee causes the Phenex to become uncontrollable. The Phenex attacked the Banshee, damaging it, and destroyed the bridge of the mother ship

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>>15181592
Best couple

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>>15185393
Unicorn splits the UC timeline into two. F91/Crossbone/Victory only happens in the oldskool timeline where Unicorn gundam does not happen.

In the timeline where Unicorn does happen, Mineva & friends achieve world peace and the space colonies rapidly gain political power. Eventually, they form their own Neo Nations. Then, G Gundam happens.

>>15185501

I wouldn't exactly call F91 fresh. It's basically 0079 with a coat of paint.

>>15185516
BART?

>>15186604
yeah