Is there a sexier fighter alive than the TIE Interceptor?

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>>15082650
You must be new online.

>>15082915

Not him, but while the Defender is cooler I think the Interceptor looks sleeker and sexier personally.

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>>15082650
Plenty.

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>>15082650
Yes.

In Star Wars?

Defender, Phantom, the autonomous D model. Interceptor is hot but it has some fierce competition across the TIE line.

Outside of the franchise?

Let's talk Colonial Vipers.

>>15082915
The whole three solar arrays thing just looks clunky to me honestly.

>>15082919
This. The Defender is by far the superior craft, but it does look somewhat ridiculous. The Interceptor is visual perfection.

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>>15082650
Niggah you did not even post the best imperial fighter.

>you can only shoot in forward.

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What do they say about Interceptor pilots? Regular TIE jockeys are suicidal, Interceptor pilots are suicidal and crazy?

>>15083559

Isn't there a bit in there about some other TIE class that's host crazy, while the Interceptor pilots are both? Bombers or something presumably.

>>15083559
>>15083565

"Your generic TIE grunt is just plain suicidal. And the TIE Defender jockey is bloodthirsty. But the TIE Interceptor pilot, he's suicidal and bloodthirsty. When you see a squad of those maniacs flying your way, you'd better hope your hyperdrive is operational."

According to Kyle Katarn.

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>>15083265
how about a TIE destroyer?

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>>15082650

>>15082920
This is a joke, right?

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I'd argue the Striker comes close, but something about the design just kind of falls apart from certain angles. I think it's the extended "Lil' Smokies" cockpit.

>>15083577

The oblong cockpit block detracts from its overall aesthetic for definite. A ball shaped one would look nicer, but the two person oblong one is what they go with.

>>15083577
don't know why I just can't like it

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The Naboo starfighter has gorgeous curves your gray solar paneled ball coffins dont have.

>>15083590

Why would what is apparently a quick response atmospheric craft even need two people?

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>>15082650
>>15082915
>>15082919
>>15083265
Tie-Avenger a best.

>>15082920
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>>15083688
Shit taste.

>>15083688
These look more like some rich fop's machine which he uses for joyrides than something you're supposed to fight in.

Which I suppose is the point but still.

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>>15083519
absolutely wonderful

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very sexy

>>15083575
I love the Skipray simply for it's durpyness.

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All these TIEs are shit compared to my armoured Y-fu

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> Not a single mention of Gunstar One
I am disappoint.

>>15083519
She's all I ever wanted of a fighter.

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>>15083773
I mean sure, it's like the bastard lovechild of a TIE Interceptor and an X-Wing with special Itano Circus ability thrown in, but that's what makes her special!

>>15083782
But the Interceptor is the lovechild of a TIE and an X-wing already, this thing is just inbred.

>>15083761
Biggest jobber of Star Wars fighters at least until Rogue One

>>15083576
No. Why? What's wrong with the gunboat?

>>15083577
According to the miniatures game, the Striker pulls double duty in transporting things around the planet.

>>15083577
That and, while it may be supposed to look like a glorified hang-glider, it's basically an Interceptor with one wing shorn off.

>>15083795
That's because the Rebs couldn't afford to take care of them and stripped off all their armor, leaving the, naked and weak and barely maintained for flight.

>>15083801
It's more like they are old craft, almost as outdated as the Z-95 Headhunter.

I'm not shitting on the Y-Wing by the way. I like the design and the concept. It's just a shame the model was only cannon fodder and didn't achieve anything of note until the latest movie.

>>15083796
It's basically easy modo.

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>>15083801

I thought they stripped the armor because its design made maintaining the things a royal pain in the ass? You had to strip all of the armor off to get to the internals and the Y-Wing was a finicky bitch, so it needed constant maintenance. Mechanics got fed up and just left it off most of the time.

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You all never saw this coming.

>>15083576
that is an assault gunboat
sort of like an imperial b wing(multirole space fighter)

>>15083729
post the FPA Spartanian

>>15083871
that looks pretty cool, they could have at least shown one like this int he original movie

>>15083761
>ugly
>fat
>used goods
>whore
Worst Wing.

>>15083712

Well yeah, it is the point. Remember, Naboo didn't have an army.

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Really, how many variants does the Empire need to make before they realize these things aren't worth shit.

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Excuse me.

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>>15084213
And the reconnaissance version

>>15084195
The EU explanation was that the Empire never considered the Rebel fighters, especially the X-Wing worth shit. Then the whole Death Star thing happened and the Empire scrambled to get itself and "X-Wing killer" fighter. Leading to all their companies scrambling to come up with a heavy-duty fighter with heavier weaponry and advanced maneuverability and shields that could counter the threat of the X-Wing. That's how we got so many crazy variants of TIEs, most barely improving on existing designs or being prohibitively expensive to build in-bulk.
They eventually settled on the Interceptor because that brought the improved speed, maneuverability and firepower they wanted, but due to its lack of shields, hyperdrive and built-in life support, it kept the cost down so the Empire's old TIE doctrine of mass swarms of cheap fighters wouldn't have to be changed up.

>>15083761
Blew my mind when I realized it was just a original trilogy Y-wing with armor

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>>15082650
>sexiest fighter
>some Star Wars RB-79
You're joking, right?

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>>15084253
>not even the best macross fighter

>>15084231
To be fair that doctrine is backed by a sizeable SD fleet supporting the TIE arsenal; carrier birds are given flack from time to time about their fuel capacities limiting their operational range but it doesn't matter as long as they have a boat to call home.

Even with the swarm strategy being a core doctrine, the infrastructure of the Imperial Navy is suited for a carrier model of force projection.

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Make way for the Hand.

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>>15082650
yes.

>>15082650
literally perfection
why the First Order went back to the clunky TIE fighter design instead of improving the abilities on this thing are beyond me

>>15084403
Disney's goddamned stupid?

>>15084403

The TIE Fighter was the big machine the bad guys most visibly used (as a snubfighter) in the original movies. That's it. Just like why they kept using the X-Wing. Yes, a variation of the TIE like a TIE Interceptor would be almost exactly as recognizable and was in the films too. Didn't matter. It wasn't the one everyone knew, so it wasn't used.

>>15084403
because they want to suck nostalgia money out of the same manchildren who still like Star Wars somehow despite the series not having released a decent movie since the mid 80's.

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>>15084440
It's called "brand recognition".

The masses aren't interested in things like evolution or depth, they're interested in the shallow surface details and easily digestable story they can bond with their friends over. That's where the money is, and Disney, like Lucas, is in it for the money.

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Is this... legal?

>>15084477

Lucas didn't make the original film for money, he made it for himself. He made it because there were no films like it being made anymore and he couldn't acquire the Flash Gordon rights. He made a good deal just in case, but he wasn't expecting it to make a fraction of what it actually made by all accounts, and the studio certainly didn't either. They made him sign a contract to help produce some other film they were banking on to be the summer hit since they had no faith in Star Wars, but wanted him because he was a fairly recognizable indy talent.

>>15084488
Meh. 6/10. Would still clang.

>>15084403
Because when you get skull fucked down to a fraction of your might, you cut back on the specialty design and look to make the general purpose one better and divert the savings into carving out the frigid death world you call home so you can install a superlaser in it and feel like old man Sheev with a killer space ball

The FO TIEs are an improvement over the originals much like the Resistance's X-Wings are improvements from the 65. Hell the one Finn and Poe jack is a special forces model featuring one of the most luxurious optional features that could grace a TIE: a built in life support system.

Part of it is also branding, harkening to a time of simple X-Wings and TIEs. Granted, TFA was jerking it off pretty hard to the original trilogy in general what with its set pieces drawing from everything that defined Star Wars for the VHS generation, but other than the lack of Y-Wings to complete the picture the movie was deep in homaging ANH to the point of creative bankruptcy. ANH, a time of simple TIE fighters and X-Wings (and Y-Wings but I guess Abrams doesn't like them, what a faggot.)

>>15084403
>literally perfection
>why the First Order went back to the clunky TIE fighter design instead of improving the abilities on this thing are beyond me
same reason Zeta has the Hi-Zak instead of the Hi-Gelg

>>15084547

Zeta has two Feddie Gelgoogs though: Galbaldy ß and Dijeh.

>>15084558
Dijeh was Karaba's machines m8

>>15083796
Oh nothing, it's just ugly so I reasonably assumed you posted it in jest.

>>15083871
The Y-Wing is the work horse of the rebel fleet. It’s not quick or flashy but it gets the job done. The armor on this ship is extensive, and the shields will protect you from just about anything, which is good, because you won’t be going anywhere, fast.

BTW, they finally looked badass in Rogue One.

>>15084782
Y-Wings were perfectly fast, just not near as maneuverable as X-Wings or TIEs.
But in a straight line, they could match them for speed.

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Yes.

>here's two

>>15084782
The Y-Wing is the work horse of the rebel fleet. It's not quick or flashy, but The A-Wing is the fastest fighter we have. An almost perfect balance of speed, maneuverability, and An illegally modified, Correllian engineered YT-1300 transport, The Tie Advanced X-1 is the prototype starfighter used by Darth Vader at the Battle Of Yavin.
DEEDLE DEEDLE DOODLE DEEEEEEE

>>15082915
Is it capable of moving sideways?

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>>15084218
thank you

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>>15083491
>Let's talk Colonial Vipers.
You are a gentleman and a scholar. The Blackbird is also good.

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I liked Anakin's custom hot rod fighter he flew around in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars. I already really liked the base design and his custom job is even better.

It showed he still had some of that nine year old podracer from the space boonies in him. Hell, they even had the same paint job.

>>15084213
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>>15083729
kind the bad designs, no functions. just me bs

>>15084195
>TIE Crawler
>well we have this cockpit, what else can we do with it?
>alter it onto an entirely different kind of vehicle so that it ultimately doesn't have any of the advantages that vehicle provides?
Sienar more like Rietards

>>15085010
Are Sienar the idiots, or is the Empire the idiots for buying the damn things and putting them into service?

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>>15084195
This is why the EU was killed off.

There were just too many people trying to put their own spin on things that it got too fat.

>>15084864
Where are these beauties from?

>>15085019
>Are Sienar the idiots, or is the Empire the idiots
Yes.

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Like the new GTF Draco?

>>15085019
That's what happens when the government decides to give a near-monopoly to a single designer.

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>>15083493
The panels are also facing the wrong way too.

>>15085250
Does Incom have any major customers in new canon besides the Rebellion? IIRC in the EU they had sold X-wings to the Corellian Security Force. But otherwise having a ragtag bunch of outlaws be your primary market doesn't seem like a good business strategy.

>>15083577
I like it, the only problem is that the wing hinge is too far forward and should be placed further back.

>>15083696
It also caries cargo, like how those AT-ATs were modified to carry cargo containers. So I imagine the other crewman is the cargo master.

>>15084989
Speak english faggot.

>>15083786
>But the Interceptor is the lovechild of a TIE and an A-wing already

FTFY

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Gundam isn't really known for its fighters, but I always thought the Sabrefish was a solid space opera design.

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>>15084488
10/10

A E S T H E T I C

Better than the tie series in every single way. If the empire had used these things then the DeathStar plans wouldn't have been stolen by a rogue pilot changing the entire history of the star wars universe.

>>15084516
>ANH, a time of simple TIE fighters and X-Wings (and Y-Wings but I guess Abrams doesn't like them, what a faggot.)

Don't forget the TIE Advance

>>15084195
>be elite Stormtrooper unit
>get deployed to wipe out Rebel scum
>walk through the spotless shiny corridors of your Star Destroyer to get to an impeccably maintenanced turbolift
>exit to the massive hangar, filled to the brim with the pride of the Imperial Army and Starfighter Corps
>look around for your assigned Sentinel-class landing craft
>instead there is a bunch of TIE Bombers with cylindrical holding containers clumsily welded to their bottom hulls

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>>15082650
Ok, it's sexy.

But does it transform?

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>>15085291
Yeah, it's a cool fighter and shows where the Core Fighter comes from. I like the Dopp more, though. There's something endearing about it's retarded shape.

>>15084864
What's the green one? It looks like a space F-14.

>>15085059
I mean I kind of agree, but the TIE's were the least of the issue in my opinion, granted some of the varients are a bit stupid...like the tank, but a good fair few make some sense like the electronic warefare. (Though one would think a shuttle based craft would be better)

>>15085255
This is one of those things that's probably so fast it'll rattle apart. I love it.

>>15085316
>>15084488

The CIS had top tier droids and designs.

>>15086436
A Z-95 in its original atmospheric configuration.

>>15084195
Interceptors were going to completely replace the standard Tie-Fighter from TESB and onwards. Bombers were intended for anti-capital ship duty and pounding structures or military bases into dust. Tie-Phantoms were a super weapon that used a ridiculous stealth cameo system to allow them to murder Rebel starfighters who had no idea what was going on.

And the Advanced was Vader's personal Tie which in turn was slightly downgraded for mass production with the Tie-Avenger which is tied with the Tie-Defender for being the most overpowered single starfighter during the Galactic Civil War with it boasting at least deflectors more then 2x greater then an X-Wing, acceleration on par with an A-Wing, and greater firepower then a X-Wing while being slower then a Defender but possessing superior maneuverability in its place.

Tie-Hunters were used as well but didn't quite mass production to fully replace standard Ties the same way Interceptors did. And the Chiss Clawcraft is based off the Tie-Defender by the Chiss Ascendancy and Empire of Hand, not the Empire itself.

>>15085880
dopp looks like a neat little pocket lightfighter
like something that should fold up or dismantle neatly and have a low unit cost

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>>15086804

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>tfw o/u engine arrangements never again

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>Places pilot in center of mass
>Thrusters on pylons around center of mass for easy directional change
>A large canvas for badass custom art

Kinda one of the best starfighter designs.

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>>15087892

>>15087888
kind of uncanny how similar the x-wing looked to the starfury.

>>15087901
Oh shit the 181st is canon?

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>>15086804
Should have had the bomber as well on screen taking out some Federation starships.

>>15087901
>The rebel pilots were yelling "they're too fast" in that scene
>But they were in a-wings, which are faster than tie interceptors
A wings really get a raw deal in rebels. Not just in that episode, but previously we see grossly inferior numbers of Mandalorian fighters kill off a rebel squadron.

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so what are some good Star Wars space fighter games on PC

>>15088335
Speeeeeeeeeeeed =/= agility. Although A-wings are supposed to have both. Maybe the pilots just weren't very good.

>>15088337
>that image
Why can't otakangz draw a rounded line?

>>15087976

I think you've got that backwards.

>>15088340
forced 90's shading and round lines doesn't connect bro

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>>15082650
I'm more of a TIE Bomber guy.

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>no AC

Come on buddies

>>15088337
X-Wing
TIE Fighter
X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter
X-Wing Alliance

>>15084195
>these things aren't worth shit.

Are they? Watch the old trilogy again. When it's mook vs mook, even basic TIE Fighters are on more or less equal ground to X-Wings. Sure they can't do anything against named characters (it's Star Wars after all), but even then they don't die by the dozens unlike stormtroopers on the ground.

It's only the video games that gave TIE Fighters a reputation for being useless cannon fodder. And then various EU books solidified it.

>>15088844

> it's Star Wars after all

That particular cliché is hardly specific to Star Wars. You might as well just say "it's fiction after all".

>>15088846
Fair enough but that wasn't the point of my post.

>>15088844
You are really stupid.

>>15084558
Galbaldy wasn't really a Gelgoog anyways. It was supposedly based on a separate zeon design, the Galbaldy alpha in universe. In terms of design, it was also based on one from Nagano's L-gaim rather than the Gelgoog.

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>>15088844
>hyperdrive
>astromech
>deflector shields
>equal ground

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>>15089365
>hyperdrive
Strategically important, sure. Tactically? Sort of an encumbrance. We know for a fact from EU that customized Tie-Interceptors loaded with shields and hyperdrive units are far slower and actually more dangerous to use then standard Tie/Ints.
>astromech
Used by snubfighters mainly for plotting and navigating new jump point routes for hyperspace and minor damage repair, not really a cutting edge benefit in actual dogfighting.
>deflectors
Deflectors are minor shields so unless you are a B-Wing, Tie-Avengers, Tie-Advanced, or a Tie-Defender your shields are generally going to suck ass as far as small starfighters go. Deflectors main jobs are robbing a glancing shot of any killing power to survive it, not tanking shots before being overloaded as the movies and late EU shows us.

>>15089488

Even going back to A New Hope, any time a TIE gets a full on hit it immediately explodes and dies. Any time an X-Wing gets a full on hit it usually fizzles for a few seconds and then has a small explosion. Not always though, some do survive them. That's the shields. They're not a guarantee, especially against direct shots - but they're still able to tank hits even in the original movie.

>>15087895
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>>15087888

The fact that they usually adhered to realistic spacecraft movement rather than just being fighter jets in space always made Starfuries one of the more interesting sci-fi fighters.

>>15089622
You are wrong. Any non-named character that gets more then a glancing blow in a "shielded" Rebel starfighter dies.

>>15089786

Red 1 (I think it's Red 1 at least) takes a direct hit to his engines by Vader's TIE Advanced and loses control, dying from an impact on the Death Star's surface rather than the shot that hit him. And while Wedge might have a name, his role in the films was tiny, it was only the EU a decade and a half later than really set him up, primarily because he had survived a direct hit to his engines by one of Vader's wingmen. Luke also took a direct hit to the stabilizer and kept on trucking.

>>15089837
It was a glancing shot, not a direct hit on Luke's X-Wing. Also rechecked, one of the X-Wings took damage simply from being too close to an explosion on the surface of the Death Star, in fact you can see sparks trailing from Luke's cockpit near the rear of his X-Wing while the explosion was dying down before he flew through it.

First Tie kill on an X-Wing was a direct hit on an X-Wing's fuselage which blows up a split second later. Actually checking and you are correct his stablizer was hit with Luke's case but then again anything would survive that sort of hit, it wasn't on the fuselage or engine itself.

>>15089880

No, it was a direct hit. It literally hit dead on behind the cockpit by the wing's shoulder. It wasn't glancing in any way, because it doesn't deflect back out. It hits him and you see no more of it. That's a direct hit. As was Red 1's hit. As was Wedges.

>>15089903
That's the stabilizer, not the engine. Deflectors do not mean literally deflecting blasts away in Star Wars when it comes to shielding. Its the equivalent to hitting the glacis armor on a tank.

>>15089909

A direct hit is one in which the shot hits dead on and is different from a glancing hit in that it's not partially impacting and then flying away. The hits on Luke's, Red 1's and Wedge's X-Wings didn't deflect in any manner. I don't use those words to invoke the deflector shields, despite the naming convention, but to invoke the manner of the hit. It doesn't matter where a hit is scored, if it's direct, it's direct.

>Switch all power... to...... FRONT...... deflector screen
>Switch to...... targeting... computer
What was up with Gold Leader in that scene? Are the Y-wings controlled by Siri?

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>>15089958

If you want me to make webms of Luke and Wedge X-Wing's surviving direct hits or showing that Wedge was to the engines then you'll have to wait till tomorrow since I'm heading to bed in a minute and don't have the film on my computer. You obviously have A New Hope to hand though, so it's not like you should need it. You even included Red 1's hit at the tail end of that webm, a hit where he survives fine for a few seconds and dies on an impact, not from the hit itself.

>>15089931
The stabilizer being directly hit doesn't mean anything because its not a critical componet of the X-Wing that would lead to it exploding is my point, why is this going over your head?

>>15089986

It is't going over my head, I understand you just fine - I just don't care, because it has nothing to do with my point, that it's a direct hit because of the manner in which it hit, and that it's on the main body of the X-Wing, not a peripheral component like the wings. Also, that when an X-Wing is hit in A New Hope there's always either multiple direct hits to make it explode immediately, or a hit and then a pause until it explodes. Where when a TIE is hit there's always an immediate explosion, no time for reaction shots of the pilot or for them to do anything. And that that's the shields in action, which at least occasionally mitigate direct hits, like in Wedge's case and even Red 1, regardless of the fact he died on impact seconds later. It's there for cinemagraphic reasons, to give the actors time to show a reaction, but it's still there.

>>15084876
Time to hook up the Gamecube!

>>15090007
>It has nothing to do with my point.
Thats your problem, because it completely covers my point just fine.

>>15090054

Then obviously you have a different point to mine.

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>>15090072
>>15090054

>>15084403
What do people have against the basic TIE fighter shape? The form factor resembles it, but it's explicitly stated to be above and beyond in capability.

>>15085880

I love that the logic behind all of Zeon's aircraft was basically "we've lived in climate-controlled colonies for so long that we don't now how aerodynamics works, so we're just gonna overpower air resistance with a SHITLOAD of thrust"

>>15093267
Because the Interceptor is literally in every way superior to it? Faster, more maneuverable, more powerful, and tougher. If those fuckers have the resources to make an even larger and more retarded/inefficient version of the Death Stars with Starkiller Base then they have the resources to make improved Interceptors vs improved Tie-Fighters for their special forces.

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>>15085255
>slapping 4 ion jet engines on an X-Wing body
now THIS is fucking podracing

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>>15087888
Ivanova's Starfury best Starfury

Ivanova best lesbian/bi telepathic jew fighter pilot XO ship captain

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>>15084864
Partial to the version with the combined intakes based on the X-wing concept sketches.

>>15083761
>>15084238
>Blew my mind when I realized it was just a original trilogy Y-wing with armor

Prequel trilogy Y-Wing is ugly as fuck I refuse to accept this as the armored version of my Yfu. Real talk though the proportions never seem to match up.

>>15089958

Holy shit is this Rebels? Maybe I should start watching it...

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>>15094387
The BTL-B doesn't seem like it's intended as what the Rebels end up using at Yavin in the stripped armor form, though they clearly were going with that design lineage several structural details are off for it to be a direct conversion.

>>15083871
This version from the original Incredible Cross Sections book pulls it off better.

>>15094387
>Real talk though the proportions never seem to match up.
They match up fine, the armor just adds a lot of bulk and smooth lines.

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>>15082650
Beep beep
I fucking love uglies so much

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>>15094433
kek

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>>15094533
U

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>>15094591
G

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>>15094594
L

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>>15094595
Y

I hope we can all agree the B-wing looks best flying sideways instead of the way it does in Battle Front.

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>>15094609
You mean like this?

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>>15094626

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>>15088622
>makes AC:0 reference
>posts AC6 superplane
Come one, senpai.

>>15089975
It was still a point in time when Tie fighters were actually useful.

7 kind of turned them into a joke.

>>15094597

What's that B-Wing mixed with? Looks fairly standard to me.

>>15094660

Not really. Force Awakens probably treated them better than most of the other films just by Poe and Finn using one to escape. They were kind of a joke long before that regardless.

>>15094682
>Not really. Force Awakens probably treated them better than most of the other films just by Poe and Finn using one to escape. They were kind of a joke long before that regardless.
Nothing close to 5 going down in 10 seconds.

Star Destroyers were the real useless weapons.

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>>15094653
woa hey guys

>>15094685

As opposed to Luke, a total amateur who'd never shot a gun before as far as we know, and certainly never shot a turbolaser or been in a battle, shooting down two TIEs in less than 30 seconds in a battle with only 4 of them spread thinly, instead of dozens gathered thick?

>>15094685
>Star Destroyers were the real useless weapons.
IIRC in the EU they were treated as the incarnation of turbolaser death storms which the power to take on three Dreadnoughts at once and win.

>tfw Errant Venture is no longer canon

>>15094591
>the speed of the Y and the strength of the TIE
why would you do this

>>15094733

Desperation. Although now I'm imagining a Bravestarr analogue within the Star Wars universe. Eyes of electrobinocs, ears of a probe droid?

>>15094726
He and Han were missing most of the time.

>>15094750

And yet Luke still shot down two TIEs in about 25 seconds, despite being a complete amateur. Twice what Han, an experienced smuggler managed. Even Leia matched him despite having a fixed gun and worse firing position.

>>15094754
It was over 30 seconds.

>>15094402
This is neat.

>>15094761

No, it wasn't.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T_OSERXHGO

> Han kills a TIE at 1:58
> Luke kills a TIE at 2:02
> Luke kills a TIE at 2:28
> Han kills a TIE at 2:44

I was incorrect and thought that's when Leia kills one from the Falcon's cockpit, but Han gets the last one. Luke gets two in 26 seconds though. The Falcon, one ship, gets 4 in 46 seconds.

>>15094829
Keep in mind that the Falcon is basically a tugboat that's armed to the teeth

>>15095009

Not really, It's got 2 guns, both of which are quad guns and a set of concussion missile launchers in the prow. Unless you count a ground defence gun for hitting smaller targets that's it. An X-Wing is nearly as well armed. It's focus is on speed, not firepower.

>>15094685
Poe is the EU!Wedge of the new movies, he's supposed to be TOPPEST GUN

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This sexy machine.

>>15094697
>>15094694

I thought the B-Wing was developed by Ackbar and rolled out right before the Battle of Endor. What is this? Doesn't Rebels take place before ANH?

>>15083575
How can the Lamda look so beautiful, and yet every other imperial shuttle based on the same design aesthetics look like crap?

>>15095238
Nucanon says that it was basically a portable superweapon that got shelved for technical reasons, then reworked into a neato fighter.
>>15095284
Probably because only one of those things had ILM work on it and some of them look almost deliberately offensively ugly.

>>15095238

That was the old EU origin, in the new EU an eccentric Mon Cal called Quarrie (I think, presumably after Ralph McQuarrie) invented a one off prototype that had a gunner seat at the end of the tail and was equipped with a converging beam laser cannon that was capable of taking out light cruisers in one hit. It was buggy though and he is presumably continuing work on it after the one appearance it's had on screen, though they may break it (or multiple its) out against the TIE Defenders. At some point between that episode though (season two at some point) and Return of the Jedi it loses the gunner seat and converging beam laser cannon and becomes a less technically iffy but efficient bomber.

That said, I kind of like the idea of them being the Rebels two seater bomber.

>>15094609
>>15094609
>>15094626
>>15094630

Yeah having the B-wing be "upright" is the total pleb way to do it and unfortunately things like Micro Machines and the FFG minis always do it that way. The whole point is that it's this weird sideways but still kind of balanced looking thing.

>>15095319
>We have a fighter-sized prototype that can take out a light cruiser all on its own
>But it gets BSODs sometime so fuck it
This is so dumb.

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>>15095238
Rebels is going out of it's way to be contrary to the introduction timeframes of starfighters that already had background lore about not being developed until after the Battle of Yavin, so now the A-wing is an older fighter that was just being used by a different Rebel cell before appearing in ROTJ and the B-wing prototype is also older and had a superlaser. Some of the earlier shows like Droids that featured the A-wings have been handwaved as an earlier similar design called the R-22 Spearhead. Also the mechanical design for Rebels is basically McQuarrie all of the things, bringing back the original concept art as pre-ANH vehicles.

>>15086643
>Advanced had such a small profile it was lost on allied scanners in the field early in its deployment
>still lacks adequate shielding despite having a hyperdrive, making every jump incredibly dangerous.
>way more complex targeting array and navigational computer that doubled the difficulty of flying
>way too many extra features for space-to-atmosphere fighting that made the already overcomplex flight systems worse

I dont know whats worse, that Vader thought the Advanced was ok for non-Char pilots, or that the Empire opted for the Interceptor, a fucking fighter that was just as fast but had no fucking shields.

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>>15095383

>>15095377

The capability to take out light cruisers in one hit isn't all that useful, when the Empire doesn't field them that much and mostly fields Star Destroyers that are about 6 times their size and far less vulnerable. The B-Wing prototype required a high degree of skill to fly and a gunner to really use the superlaser as well. Ditching it makes the B-Wing easier to fly, more efficient and requires half the crew, which is a more imaginable trade off.

>>15095383

I wish they'd used Headhunters or something for that role instead.

>>15094682
The B-wing Ugly has a YT transport cockpit tacked on.

>>15095410

Aren't those several times the size and made to sit multiple people with room to stand up and move around, like the Falcon or Ghost's cockpits? Or do they make transports with tiny, cramped cockpits for some reason?

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>>15095406
I guess they made a derivative Headhunter design for the Clones but yeah there still hasn't been a proper Headhunter shown in the movies or animated series yet.

The other thing that they missed the ball on was just giving ISD's atmospheric entry ability with all the scenes in Rebels and now Rogue One, instead of taking the chance of officially showcasing the Victory Star Destroyer for those sort of roles, considering that was supposed to be one of the perks it had over the larger ships.

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>6 medium ion cannons
>2 light ion cannons
>2 heavy laser cannons
>2 laser cannons
>4 proton torpedo launchers

Uglies are clearly overpowered.

>>15083731
Yeeee.

Though I prefer the Starfighter from II

>>15095377

To be fair, I think that's a holdover from old EU material that said the B-Wing was a finicky machine that frequently had in-flight problems (e.g. the cockpit rotation joint sticking) and required a ludicrous level of skill to fly effectively.

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B-Wing is the A-10 of space

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>>15095523
>B-wing cockpit rotates to remain upright
>in 3D space with no up

So does each side agree on what direction is up before meeting for their space battles or is it automatically set calibrated to the galactic plane or something?

>>15095628

It's set according to the planet it's built on or around, and also to the hanger it's stationed in so the pilot can get in it without specialised equipment beyond perhaps a step ladder.

>>15095444
Their weakness lies in their displeasing aesthetics.

>>15095684
Personally I like the ugly looks to them of just being shit slapped together.

Not pleasing in a conventional sense, but cool, that same factor to rat rods and such for me.

>>15094396
Yeah it got much better after they got off the Lv 1 starter planet

>>15095377
It was more like
>The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight

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>>15095628
>in 3D space with no up
If you really want an explanation, up is defined by g-force, because your body care. You'll black-out more easily with "negative g-force" than "positive" one.

So you can retcon the idea as allowing a pilot to perform maneuver in any direction with less stress on your body, same when rolling like mad.

>>15088339

they are prototypes at that time

>>15095418
That's why he posted it as an Ugly. It's a B-Wing with an oversized cockpit slapped on.
And it actually fits with the old EU, where a few times B-Wings were used to carry multiple passengers.
I remember one novel involving Leia and Admiral Ackbar crashing one into a cathedral or palace made out of crystal.

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>>15095727
I think that was mentioned in the EGVV as being a modified B-wing/E2 with side by side instead of tandem seating or something, with the expanded B-wing/E normally having a second seat for a gunner and a larger torpedo capacity over the original.

>>15089944
>TIE Fighter collides into X-Wing
>TIE Fighter Destroyed
>X-Wing crippled

>>15084782
>The Y-Wing is the work horse of the rebel fleet. It’s not quick or flashy but it gets the job done. The armor on this ship is extensive, and the shields will protect you from just about anything, which is good, because you won’t be going anywhere, fast.
I still hope for a decent Rogue Squadron successor.

>>15087901
I seriously hate how they scrunched everything up to "toyify" them.

>>15095628
>>15095626
>>15095705
Look at all these highly public shots of the B-wing flying sideways. Look deep within your heart, you know this is proper.

>>15097013

They're not. They're doing it to match Ralph McQuarrie's original design.

>>15089962
He was talking to his astromech.

Also fuck this super laser shit on the B-wing.

>>15095404
Have around 6 or so B-wings focus fire on a Star Destroyer then.

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>>15097031
yea, I raged.

>>15097028
I distinctly remember someone working for Disney stating that was part of the intention behind the shift.

>>15097028
To be honest I don't like how they're putting the concept art on a pedestal and trying to make everything look exactly like it. There are almost always changes between concept and execution, some of which are made for very good reasons.

>>15097072
I think it's just an art style thing.

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>>15097055
A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Interceptors, Ewoks, etc, existed only so George could sell more toys.
He needed more than just X- and Y-Wings in the final battle so people couldn't just use the toys they already had.
>>15097072
You go fuck yourself.

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>>15082650
Why did the Empire ditch these bad boys for TIE starfighters? I mean they seemed to somewhat keep the design philosophy of the Republic Star Destroyers for their Star Destroyers.

>>15082915
Dust your shit.

>>15097340
TIEs are cheaper.

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A true classic!

>>15097340
Looks like a locust in flight. Backwards.

>>15097340

The TIE-Fighters evolved from V-Wings though.

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I saw pics of the female A-wing pilots in the Return of the Jedi battle for years, but now that I see the actual film of them acting, I can see why they were cut from the movie, their line delivery was fucking horrible

https://youtu.be/_CgbGQiMUKo

>>15097691

In all fairness, charming as their performances were, some of the actors of the more prominent pilots didn't have tremendous chops.

>"Switch. To. TARGETING. Computer."
>Red Leader outright smiling in the middle of his death cry

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>>15082915
I loved these, I have Darth Vador's tie and the Y-wing from that collection. I still have the pamphlet in a drawer somewhere, I'd always spend so much time looking all the other ships hoping to get my hands on them (but never did, because we were poor). The X-wing and AT-AT particularly, both looked amazing. The Snowspeeder also. If you guys are curious just google "star wars action fleet".

Speaking of which the Snowpseeder was my favorite as a kid I believe. I did have a toy of it, but not from the action fleet brand, pic related. It looked really good but was way too big so it felt a bit clunky playing with it, especially since it was 3x, 4x bigger than action fleet toys (like the one I quoted).

>>15085316
I have a toy of this one and while I wasn't a huge fan of their flying mode, that 4 legs crawling mode was my favorite. Loved playing with it as a kid, it just looks too cool.

>>15082650
TIE INTERCEPTOR HERE
INTERCEPTOR SQUAD REPORTING
FOR THE EMPIRE

>tfw nobody will probably get this

>>15097921
empire at war FOC

>>15097921
That was my guess >>15097950 too but since I had only played a couple hours of that game I wasn't too sure and didn't want to embarrass myself.

If we're speaking SW games then Galactic Battleground (and its addon of course) takes the cake. I've played that one hundreds and hundreds of hours.

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>>15097921
>>15097950
Need a really big gun.

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>>15098201
> Mass driver rounds move faster than lasers.

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I like how it's reminiscent of U.S black project planes

why does tie fighter have wings

>>15097232
>Implying this A-Wing is any different from the Legends A-Wing aside from the guns and color scheme.

>>15097340
Because the V-Wing was probably intended to be the basis for the TIE.

>>15097762
>Not smiling in the face of death
What are you a faggot?

>>15097340
ARC-170s are cool but bug me for two reasons. What are the S-Foils even for, and how did we get these, but no Z95s

>>15098235
You mean the Solar collectors? Something to do with the twin ion propulsion system, and solar collection, as far as I know.

It's engine is also why it has it's trade mark screaming sound. And best part of the TIE line IMO.

>>15095419
The Clone Z-95 is a thing of beauty.

>>15098306

Cooling, same with the X-Wing.

>>15094626
>>15094630
Why do they call them B-Wings anyway.

Look nothing like the letter B.

>>15098323
Because Blade-Wing is too long. Apparently.

>>15098323
If you add two half circles between the cockpit and the middle cannons and another between them and the tail cannon they do.

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>>15098323

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>>15098323
When they're seen from the side and turned upside down they look like lowercase b's

>>15098226

I think the one thing that's always really bothered me about Star Wars EU is how technologically stagnant it makes everything. KOTOR and TOR take place thousands of years before the events of the films, but everything looks and feels more or less the same both technologically and culturally. Sometimes things look even more advanced like in the case of this ship.

>>15098382
The Old Republic was kind of like the renaissance. After that the galaxy had been in the dark ages due to the constant fighting between Sith and Jedi.

>>15098382
Same here really, I mean it doesn't bug me too much, and some stuff does look allot less advance (The Astromech droids of KOTOR and such for instance) but not significantly so. Allot of it at least visually looks like it'd fit right in, I guess that's so it still feels 'Star war's but since it's ancient times in terms of how long ago it happens they can do what they want.

Doesn't bug me too much and part of me always kind of liked it but it still feels...off.

>>15098382
It's mostly TOR that does it. Kotor always felt like the civil war era of Star Wars where everyone had slow shooting guns and shit. So the tech is the same but the newer movies are far more efficient.

>>15098391
KOTOR is still what a few thousand years before everything? And while it isn't as advanced as the later stuff, it doesn't feel a few thousand years old compaired to the Prequels or the OG Trilogy.

>>15098393
Yeah I've felt the same way since replaying the 2 games after watching the films again.

>>15083871
According the the cross sections book that has that exact picture in it, yes. For the type used by the rebels anyway.

>>15098393
That's my point though that technology stagnated for a long as time. For example imagine we had Civil War era rifles and no one bothered to try and advance them they share lineage with automatic weapons but that doesn't mean they're as advanced.

>>15084238
That's a BTL-B Y-Wing, the ones in the OT are BTL-A4 Y-Wings. They're two different variations of a general design.

>>15098382
Yeah, it's like SW is intrinsically terrified of trying to do anything with its setting different from lthe ightsabers/alien planets/space ships/robots/stormtroopers formula.
Which makes me wonder, how would a different setting inside the Stars Wars universe be like.

>>15082915
I never liked this design. They look like fucking droid fighters, disgusting!

>>15083577
Looks like a trashcan with batman ears for wings.

>>15085264
I think the New Republic buys X-Wings in fucking bulk, not 100% sure.

>>15085264
They probably did it secretly and though back channels I'd think. Like AE did with the AEUG in Zeta I'd think. Be a major fuck up on the Empire's end if they didn't fuck up Incom if they were openly selling the Rebellion their main fighter.

>>15098407
So if I'm getting this correctly (and excuse my dense-ness kind of out of it today) is basically KOTOR era basically stagnated and it wasn't until the Prequels or shortly before that it started ramping up and advancing?

Makes some sense.

>>15098461
Yeah that's always how I viewed it at least, they're all still lasers and spacecraft but are just slower and less advanced than in the movies eras, it's just hard to notice because we see it because it looks so advanced to us either way.

>>15098414
They did that once, people hated it. https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=Yuuzhan+vong&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjas_fC87jRAhVsDMAKHfRgDHoQvwUIGSgA&biw=1920&bih=901

>>15098323
The real world explanation is that when filming RotJ the new Rebel ship models were called "Ship A" and "Ship B" and it made it's way into the fiction because it matched the Letter theme the X-Wing and Y-Wing had. The NuCanon explanation given in the Rebels cartoon is that the B stands for "Blade Wing" because when the wings are folded up it's like some kind of flat razor or sword or whatever.

>>15098571

Wasn't the blade wing thing around during Legends as well? I'm sure I've heard it long before this at least.

I'll say it even though everyone likes to jack off to it, the TIE Defender sucks. It's an edgy teen self insert ship. Its design is lazy, being "more panels equals more better" without thought to aesthetics. It is thematically inappropriate going against the Independence vs Disposability theme of Rebels vs Empire. And it is a total Mary-Sue of a ship from a playground fight. "Nuh Unh! My ship is the fastest and the most shielded and the most powerful and can beat all the other ships!" And of course it's Imperial because edgy teens have to root for the badguys. It's Coldsteel the Hedgehog in spaceship form.

>>15098579
Legends had conflicting explanations. Including Blade, somehow resembling the letter b if you squinted at it, or something about it being designed to fight Nebulon-B Frigates.

>>15098587
Which is why it's first appearance is in a video game for the sole purpose of more variety?

>>15098617
It would be fine if it was just in one flight sim game that did desperately need something to break up the Empires "fly disposable paper-mache swarmers" line-up. It was also a kind of secret project/weapon in the plot. But the EU did not have that need and used the thing everywhere. Like how we keep finding new Gundams at every point of the One-Year War.

>>15098671
>tie defender sucks
>EU overused it

Yeah, what a terrible design.

>>15094396
By the way, that was Wedge as a kid piloting the bomber.

>>15098587
For all the silliness surrounding its fluff, the flared-out panels and rotational symmetry really do make it stand out. It looks quite nice if you ask me.

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>>15098323
Apparently the actual reason was they were internally just called something like fighter A and fighter B during production so they knew what was being referred to besides the X-wing and Y-wing when filming.

>>15098587
The TIE Defender was basically made as an excuse to solo the later missions that not only needed things blown up but also needed targets disabled in the TIE Fighter game campaign, instead of keeping things interesting by limiting the pilot to the Avengers and relying on the Assault Gunboat wingmen with their ion cannon disabling capability to be mission successful. But as it turns out the after the Defenders essentially end up in the hands of the enemy, the player counters it using the Missleboat with its silly 80 concussion missile capacity and the Avenger with the tractor beam installed to overcome the Defender's maneuvering advantage. Also the Defender was not available in X-wing vs TIE Fighter because it was recognized by the developers to be utterly broken for multiplayer gameplay balance so they didn't even bother, which is probably confirming the sentiment here.

>>15099062

>not immediately arousing suspicion for removing her helmet without permission

>>15098461
It also fits with the general theme and aesthetic of stagnation present in the OT. Intentional or not, the heavy used future aesthetic gives the impression that life before the Empire was a hell of a lot nicer for most people even in basic day to day terms. Then TFA happened and I don't fucking know.

>>15099085
Well TFA was just trying to tickle nostalgia boners anyways. Though other shit has done it before anyways. TOR has all sort of vaugely TIE fighter and other Empire looking shit for the Sith empire.

Though some other EU stuff also mentioned Palpatine IIRC doing it intentionally making his Star Destroyers look like ancient Sith ones and such, may of been the same idea there.

>>15099100
You have to remember that KOTOR exists because Bioware was told that if they wanted to set it around the then-current prequels, specifically AotC, they'd have a hell of a lot of restrictions. The Old Republic setting exists to be Star Wars but with less worries about canon or existing EU continuity. That said, KOTOR 1 and 2 tried to do something neat with it. TOR does not.

>>15083921
>y wing worst wing
>not B-Wing, a massive clusterfuck from the getgo

>>15098382
>>15098414
In ANH, Obi Wan makes a point that the Jedi had been guardians of peace in the galaxy for over a thousand generations. And most people see a "generation" as roughly 20 years, that would put the Jedi Order at about 20,000 years old.
Plenty of time to have technology grow and regress, stagnate and explode forward only to regress again.

>>15084488
I will make it legal.

>>15099106
Yeah I know, like I said before I'm fine with it all, especially KOTOR since they did a bit of unique stuff with it.

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Maybe they'll get around to adding a color inverted Interceptor in Episode VIII, which will probably be titled something fitting the usual trilogy naming pattern like The First Order Retorts.

They're called B-wings because calling them T-wings would make the allegory obvious.

>>15099479
T-Wings are actually a thing. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R60_T-wing_interceptor

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>>15099157
Kylo Ren's rumoured to be getting his own TIE Fighter in VIII. Pic related is what it might look like.

>>15099574
Is Kylo actually meant to be a decent pilot?

>>15087892
>>15087895
Would it be beneficial or detrimental to the pilot if a starfighter with the design of a starfury had a cockpit that could rotate independently of the starfighter's frame, like the B wing does?

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>>15099603
Well if he wants to be like Grandfather he should've been honing his piloting skills as well.

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>>15099108
>worst wing
>not B-Wing, a massive clusterfuck from the getgo
DELETE THAT

it's interesting how this topic about best spacefighter turned out to be only about Starwars

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>>15100102
Well there's a new Star Wars movie out, and let's face it anything that starts with a Star Wars fighter is gonna end up being about them.

>>15099603
The guy is the son and grandson of two of the greatest pilots in the galaxy. He better be.

>>15101207

> Han
> one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy

He is? I don't recall even the old EU making much of his piloting skill. He skills lie more in deception, shooting and charming people than piloting. Don't get me wrong, he's a good pilot, but the Falcon gets by because of his smuggling skills and deceptive speed rather than because he or Chewbacca are great pilots.

>>15101218
>his smuggling skills and deceptive speed
Wasn't it actually Dash and Lando that made those "special modifications" that Han was so proud of?

>>15101218
Kessel Run tho

>>15101229

The Kessel Run is impressive because the Falcon was so fast and Han was desperate or daring enough to do things others wouldn't (he may have done it to avoid authorities or save time if he was behind), not because he was an impressive pilot. Keep in mind I'm talking new canon here, which doesn't have an explanation to my knowledge, since I'm pretty sure the old one expanded on it at some point.

>>15101228
Han at least claims to have made a few of those special modifications himself.
But the Falcon had been running, passed from various smuggler to smuggler for 100 years by the time Han got it.
She's had more work done under the hood than Bruce Jenner.

>>15099085

I think TFA is supposed to give off a "picking up the pieces" vibe. It'd probably work a little better if it weren't so long after ROTJ. The galaxy has had 30 years to bounce back from being ruled by an empire that didn't even last 20.

>>15101207

Don't forget his uncle. Isn't Luke supposed to be at least pretty good? I mean he's nowhere near as good as Anakin, but it seems like flyboy tendencies run in the family.

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>>15101270
It's not like there's no historical precedent for an Empire collapsing and dividing into warring states shortly after its only leader dies.
This is what Alexander's empire looked like 20 years after he died.

>>15101270
The fall of the Western Roman Empire, the fall of the Han Dynasty, the conflict and loss of central control by the Ashikaga shogunate that created the Sengoku period, the fallout and conflict from these all lasted decades.

>>15101275
In the EU, he's basically a starfighter demigod.

>>15099611
>>15099611
>>15099611
>>15099611
Please respond

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>>15095342
>>15094626
Fun trivia; the B wing is SUPPOSED to fly upright, but it's mechanism that moves the cockpit relative to the rest of the fighter was such a mess that it often got stuck in the "sideways" position, making the B Wing not only a nightmare to pilot, but also maintain, so the rebels often just left them sideways and re-calibrated the machine's controls in relation to the cockpit's new position.

>>15102736
>>15102743
love how the Ikarugas have swords sticking out the front, for when you need to ram a bitch