Mobile Suit Gundam 00

>>15080339
OP 00 is the best mecha show I've ever seen

>>15080408
>newfag
Get out

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Newtype Character Polls 2009

>>15080606
>Haruhi

Holy shit how time passes. Talk about a series everyone thought would be timeless and that is barely talked about nowadays.

>>15080606
>Shows
1# 00
9# Macross

>Male characters
00 - 5 characters
Macross F - no character

>Female characters
00 - 2 characters
Macross F - 1 caracter

>>15080429
>newfag
But that would be IBO fans

>>15080618

Those seem to be season two screenshots, which aired for nearly a year after Frontier, so not exactly surprising.

>>15080339
Wing put a bad taste in people's mouth so hardcore will always stick their nose up at boy band gundams.

Lock on being inexplicably replace by a twin brother was so lazy it's not even funny and the movie being absolute shit basically made the series look like a downward spiral in the grand scheme of things.

That being said I loved it. Best boys sick suits good shit.

>>15080621
>IBO
What is it?

Finally watched the movie

Fuck that was a train wreck.
Setsuna didn't do shit.
He turned into a god "literally" at the end

>>15080339
It was the last great gundam show.

>>15080633
>Setsuna didn't do shit.
Guess you missed the parts where he saved Maria from colony terrorists, saved Saji from not-Ribbons and oh yeah, SAVED THE ENTIRE WORLD from extinction by literally becoming Gundam.

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>>15080617
>yfw endless eight actually killed the franchise

>>15080644
Not impressed

>>15080627
>inexplicably
But he was not only shown in S1, he was a Katharon agent with high sniping scores like his brother. It's pretty decently explained.

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>>15080633
How exactly was it a train wreck? I keep hearing people complain about the movie and while it's not perfect, it's like they never watched the fucking show.

Narratively? The groundwork was being laid for contact with alien life all the way back in season 1; the mystery surrounding Aeolia's Plan, the Jupiter mission, the true nature of the GN particles, all these things were purposely building up to the movie's scenario.

Thematically? the show beats you over the head pretty hard with its ideas about transhumanism, specifically the need to move beyond fighting with each other over petty issues like energy, land, religion, etc. when there's a much bigger (and more dangerous) universe out there.

Character? Setsuna develops from a closed-off kid with PTSD to someone who sees the beauty and value of human relationships, and he learns to pass on those values to others (and eventually the ELS). It's a perfectly suitable character arc for him and the writing never deviates from that.

As if that wasn't enough, some of the later episodes in S2 even OUTRIGHT TELL the audience what the movie was going to be about. You'd have to be clinically retarded to miss it.

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>>15080738
Also
>inb4 someone mentions the flower

>>15080770
>Setsuna deflowered 2 girls.

>>15080746
Is there any reason why every single gundam show should have at least one stupid flower?

>>15080633
00 movie was GOAT, neck yourself.

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>>15080776
>>Setsuna deflowered 2 girls.
Yeah

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>yfw Gundam 00 is 10 years ago

>>15080811
Just about a half year yeah.

Considering that it came right after Seed/Seed Destiny, the 00 disapproval makes sense in a way.
The show had its own original twist in design, characters, animation, world setting, tech, etc. It was following its own flow and style rather than depending on Anime cliches and refurbished points from older Gundam series.
The second season strayed towards these Gundam elements but still retained it's individuality.
The movie could've been broken up as a mini season 3 and explored the els, federation suits, world setting, celestial being, etc, but did a fine job summing it all up.
All criticism for the movie is either just shitposting or low tier "muh beam spam muh alien muh understanding ".

>>15080974
>Seed/Seed Destiny,
They were like a runaway train barreling down the railway tracks.

>>15080974
You are Clawshrimpy tier stupid.

Oh Allelujah, everyone hates you but me.

I never cared for the Mr Bushido stuff they did with Graham. It just seemed silly.

>>15081060
>Mr Bushido
it was a bad joke

>>15081060
>Graham with a mask
>"THEY RUINED HIM!!11111111111111"

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>>15080339

As long as they keep memeing about it being a copy of Wing they'll never understand how great it was because Wing invented teams of Gundams.

AWOT had such great lines. Everything with Graham is fucking golden.
>I, Graham Aker, shall guarantee that you pilot into the future. This isn't dying. This is ensuring that mankind will survive.
>>15080770
I seriously don't understand how someone could not get the flower. It took me about two seconds before I got it's symbolism.

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>>15081211
>It took me about two seconds before I got it's symbolism.

Speaking of symbolism, did anyone catch the context with the Exia Repair 2 vs 0 Gundam

>>15081489
I would assume that it represents Setsuna throwing away his ideal that gundam is god, given that he heralded them as such through all of S1 and some of S2. Meaning that he can't rely on the gundams to change the world, he'll have to do it himself.

Or something like that.

>>15081489
>>15081443

I like how 00 had depth to it by doing stuff like this.
It's not the kind that you have to look through da Vinci manuscripts to understand, but it's kinda just there if you look for it.
The only problem is that the audience is so dumb even something that simple is lost on them.

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>We will never get a Solar Wars prequel series/OVA/movie.

>>15081755
I feel like that would be boring, they didn't even have proper mobile suits.

>>15081768
They had all of the mechs in season 1 plus that mobile armor Ali got from the AEU. Imagine the fear in HRL pilots as that monstrosity electrocuted them and burned their organs till they died. Plus let's not forget that Kujo and Monnoquin screw the pooch and cause a horrific massacre between the union and AEU in a populated town

>>15081739
Its not the audience being dumb, its /m/.

>>15081768
Yes they did. What the fuck are you talking about? Anfs, Realdos, Hellions, all showed up or had predecessors that were used in those wars.

>>15081829
Enacts were cutting edge and wouldn't have been in those wars. I think Flags were pretty new as well, but I'm less sure of that.

Hellions, Realdos, some MAs, and whatever the full-spec version of the Anf is called, though, sure.

>>15082360
Not to mention there could be potential for early gen CB to be testing their shit.

>>15082360
He thinks it's boring because none of those suits would be particularly high performance. Some of the best scenes involving grunts in 00 were when they were able to tangle with Gundams and live on to tell the story, like Graham's fights with Neil and Michael.

A solar war story would have to leverage the backstory of characters to be interesting because almost all mobile suit action would be slower than any of the S1 fights. There can't be any Graham special because it didn't exist until after the solar wars, and Sergei gained his "Wild Bear of Russia" nickname from the 4th solar war where mobile suits weren't used yet, so neither of those come into play if the focus is going to be on mobile suits in the 5th solar war.

>>15080339
I love 00 and all, but these threads are blatant shitpost bait.

>>15082435
To be fair their more common because 00's 10 year anniversary is coming up which is why there's been a rash of them but yeah several of them are blatantly anti-00.

>>15082409
>>15082410
Yep. 00 is one of the AUs that is really defined a lot with filling in the blanks with its side stories and so it could really use some more love in that regard. Fuck seeing a young Ali in the Solar Wars going from a religious idealist to an amoral mercenary would be pretty spot on.

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im watching this for the first time, just finished 23
like jesus fuck it took so long for lockon to die, im not saying he lasted too long plot-wise but hes like fucking superman
>gets stabbed
>mobile armor shit gets blown up
>gets shot by MUH FANGS
>then gets blown off giant sniper
>giant sniper blows up AGAIN
poor feldt
also wtf happened to the psycho
bitch from the other 3 meisters? it didnt show her again after she got saved by setsuna the rest of ep. 22 and ep. 23
why the fuckdoes setsuna have a boner for a chick that heads the country that destroyed krugis thought he hated Azadistan for that?
good show overall but the big question is:
Wheres the doujins nigga?

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>>15082478
>Yep. 00 is one of the AUs that is really defined a lot with filling in the blanks with its side stories and so it could really use some more love in that regard. Fuck seeing a young Ali in the Solar Wars going from a religious idealist to an amoral mercenary would be pretty spot on.
I'm more interested in animated versions of parts of the the 00 sidestories rather than solar wars. We'd get to see some of the more varied designs and interesting fights involving stuff like the 1 Gundam. For those who aren't interested in the Innovades, Fon Spark, or more hidden Gundams, there's still cool bits involving other people and "exotic" MS design like 00V which is presented like a history book of various conventional and GN MS and speaks of the experiences of ace and test pilots.

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_00V

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>>15082487
>why the fuckdoes setsuna have a boner for a chick
Let me stop you right there.

>>15082505
>Fon Spark

Oh (You).

>>15082520
It's pretty well known that people hate Tomohiro Chiba.

>>15082505
You want one of the side stories that has literally one of the least relevant sub-plots in the series instead of the one that's the backbone to everything to get animated?

>>15082555
Solar wars is nowhere near "the backbone of 00", much less a sidestory. It's quite literally background fluff that they mentioned in passing to flesh out the setting. Why is it being essential to understanding the overall story? The last solar war took place 15 years before the start of the show, so why is it so relevant?

All we know is that there were 5 of them and that a few characters were a part of it. It's not even relevant to 00's plot other than that it's proof that the 3 power blocs are willing to go to war and are actively plotting against each other.

>>15082505
>Fon Spaak
Into the trash.

>>15082512
>Marina and Setsuna
it's canon

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>>15080339
00 S1 - 8,97/10
00 S2 - 8,61/10
Movie - 8,32/10

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>>15081062
yeah

>>15083205
Season 1: 9/10
Season 2: 7.5/10
Movie: 9/10

What was the purpose of Tieria?
He is whiter than snow.

>>15083828
>What was the purpose of Tieria?
fujoshi material

>>15081443
People complain about the flower at the end, the reasoning is that in the very limited psychic contact the ELS made with Setsuna, they understood "YOU'RE KILLING US" from his mind and the idea that in his head flowers=peace (because of his memories associated with them) So that was the best way they were able to communiate their intentions.

>>15080339
Why did setsuna have to turn into a immortal super saiyan tho?
Ending was dumb.

Merina/Marina was really bad

I had hopes she would end up doing something but NOPE.
She decides she's useless and decides the best way to stop war is to sing songs with children that magically get transmitted to everyone across the world for no reason.

Quality stuff there.

>>15082762
Go to bed Kaishaku. Nobody likes your silly manga.

>>15084590
>for no reason
It's the same GN particle telepathy that shows up many, many times throughout the series. Shit's not exactly subtle.

>>15083472
Agreed. I would say you are being overly generous with S2---they really wasted the goodwill S1 had built.

>>15084621
Go to bed Asuki. Nobody likes your silly shitposting.

>>15080729
Neither of the points you put in are examples of decently explained, especially the second point which only shows up in the 2nd season right as he's being recruited aka pulled out of their ass.

Not even the dumbest fanfiction amateur writer would ever defend such a thing.

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S1 is, no doubt about, better than S2 and movie

>>15084581
>super saiyan
They simply do not belong in this show.

>>15084581
>Becoming an ELS Hybrid Human Innovator
>Super Saiyan
You should stop posting.

>>15084702
I don't agree with the bandwagon on /m/ that Season 2 was as bad people make it out to be, though it was certainly more formulaic, flawed and orthodox but it still had several high points.

>>15085719
Movie was just as good as season 1.

>>15086705
Movie was S2 with more flashy beamspam to distract from the bland plot.

>>15086720
>one liner shitpost
Not surprised tbqh, c'mon Carlos you can do better then this.

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>2017
>Still no HG 1/144 GNXIV

Because Kurds are Haram.

>>15086766
>2017
>only 00 MGs are setsuna suits and a lone GN-X
To be fair, they're really good suits, but god damn give us some more.

>the movie is just beam spams
You're fighting an alien entity that can assimilate anything metallic. How the hell else are you supposed to fight it?

>>15086803
Fuck off Ayyyrab.

>>15086766
>>15086836
Where's my Gadessa, Garazoos, etc...?

>>15080339
>Why do some people not understand your greatness and power?

Most Gundam fans are retards.
They couldn't find their way out of Amuro's ass even if they had a torchlight.

>>15086766
I don't like him, It looks very simple.

>>15080408
>OP 00 is the best mecha show I've ever seen

It's certainly the best Gundam show of the 21st century. And considering we're almost 2 decades in it says something about its staying power. Sunrise has never managed to top Gundam 00 + movie. If someone mentions IBO as a viable contender kick him/her in the balls/pussy and take away his/her /m/ card.

>>15083205
Now that I think about it, I'd say the reason Zabanya and Harute get the limelight in the film was probably to balance out how Setsuna and Tieria got the most screentime/development in S2.

>>15081060
Graham himself said the Mr. Bushido was a stupid nickname.
Doesn't change the fact he went full weeb tho.

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>>15081755
>We will never get an Innovator Wars sequel/spinoff series/OVA/Movie
I just wanna see this design animated.

>>15086836
Bandai hasn't announced anything 00 related, and came down on the third party group that was prepping up their own Metal Build 00 QanT (which is still available on ebay)
Meanwhile, other Official 3rd party Plamo groups are bringing out 00 kits of their own, like the massive Ptolemeios container and the 1/100 GN Arms

>>15086983
T H I C C

>>15082360
>Its not the audience being dumb, its /m/.
Just go to any mainstream anime website and ask them about the movie, and you'll see that it's not only /m/.

>>15086991
Let's hope they're preparing something for the 10th anniversary, although it's getting kinda late for that and there's been no info yet.

>>15086995
Nope. God damn now I understand why like Tomino, Mizushima hates people like you.

>>15086983
Teria's gundams are great. they always crack me up how it consistently tops itself with combat tricks.
>See these beam cannons? Now they have hands with beam sabers.
>See this backpack? Now it's a separate unit
>See these two bazookas? Now it's one big bazooka
>ect.

>>15087061
>he was hiding extra arms with beam sabers inside his knees for an emergency
He definitely got the best unit every time

>>15087005
I'm gonna clarify up my post: just go to any mainstream anime website and ask them about the movie, and you'll see that it's not only /m/ that's utterly retarded and can't get a simple message.

>>15086954
>Mr. Bushido was a stupid nickname.
Yeah, Bushido, which almost seems to be a name out of an fairytale character,

Graham in s1
>boy that Gundam was beautiful. I want to surpass it with my Flag!
S2
>I lost my friends and mentor to the Gundam! I must avenge them in the spirit of Bushido!
Movie
>ha hahaha check out my Brave and it's sweet ass moves! Gonna do a bitchin laser beam attack with Mars behind me! Hahaha I have to help the Gundams escape, my dick is insanely erect right now!

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Good animation

A 00 thread? LEGGO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sw0Rika5sY

>>15080627
>inexplicably

And how else would Celestial Being choose a replacement? From the millions of people who've been force fed a lie from the Federation? I am sure that'd go well.

From the poor people from nations not in the federation but so ass backwards that there'd be no one qualified?

I am going to wait for an answer. I am so sure it won't be just as stupid as Lyle Dylandy.

>>15085085
You are explicitly retarded.

>>15086843
>How the hell else are you supposed to fight it?
using empty hands instead of gloves.

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>>15087841
Ha! fucking tricked you

it still assimilates you

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Fon Spaak when?

>>15088037
>Fon Spaak when?
never

>>15087846
Mike Tyson?

>>15089405
>phephuna F Pheeie

I've never seen a single argument for why S2 is bad.

>>15081443
Feldt aged like fine wine. A shame Gundam-chan won the Setsunabowl.

>>15089646
Because there is none.
There is only blatant shitposting bait

>>15089646
The only arguments are mainly "its not exactly the same as season 1 just more of it" as being the primary concern on why season 2 should suck. Which is ironic because the theme of 00 is not doing things the same, which is why its so innovative but /m/ wanted that same thing repeated as a second act verbatim.

>>15090279
they repeated zeta plot

>>15080974
I think it's something else.

There really isn't much difference between Destiny-era Kira and Celestial Being. Both go into battlefields to stop the fighting regardless of the situation without trying to discuss anything (stuff like what each side is fighting for or trying to accomplish), attack everyone with their vastly superior MS, and try to keep casualties down as best they can. In Destiny it's played rather idealistically, becoming a major reason to root for Kira. 00, on the other hand, tried to present the flaws of such actions. Celestial Being weren't treated like being righteous heroes by the world and eventually got their shit kicked in at the end of season one, paving the way for their growth in the second season.

So, what does that say about Kira? That his philosophy is flawed and people realistically wouldn't accept it, People would try to go after him like he was the villain. And that's why I think some SEED fans don't like 00, at least the ones I know that like to shit on the Meisters. They recognize this somewhere in the back of their head.

>>15081079
Shuffle Alliance and the ZZ "Gundam Team" say hi.

im watching 00 for the first time. on s2 ep 4 right now and im kinda liking the new plot structure. having the whole "fuck we fucked up time to clean up after ourselves" thing is kinda cool. I think Nyle Dylandy being kind of a dick is good too. The only thing I dont like is not having the hot ass girl from s1 anymore (forgot her name)

>>15090769
Thats the issue with S2, they don't clean up at the end instead they just do what they were going to do from day one. Force their beliefs onto everyone else, strippping freedom from people in the name of peace. Such shit only works if they are perfect and flawless which they are far from considering the shit Ribbons pulled. VEDA's still manipulating shit behind the scenes etc. Then the movie comes along and gives the message of humanity can't do shit but a hyper autistic child soldier who replaced his god with a robot can do anything.

They did do some side story stuff about the last actual humans trying to rebel against going extinct in favor of innovation but they promptly ruined it with S2 style black/while only morality and made them utterly evil and irredeemable for daring to reject CB's path.

>>15091433
>Force their beliefs onto everyone else
Except they don't. Tiera explained the goal of the reborn CB quite clearly: to destroy the A-Laws (and by extension the Innovators), not interfere with the Federation. Even the "Quantum Burst" event at the end of S2 did nothing to change the fact that they were still considered criminals by the world, which carried on into the movie.

>>15090311
>Shuffle Alliance and the ZZ "Gundam Team" say hi.
I disagree, It's much like the Wing "Gundam Team"

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>>15091963
boy it went down like a bitch

even the special edition has more scene of it's demise

>>15091472
>Even the "Quantum Burst" event at the end of S2 did nothing to change the fact that they were still considered criminals by the world, which carried on into the movie.
Which doesn't amount to absolute shit since that's forgotten and they're still not arrested by the end of the movie, its just another wasted aspect because they wanted CB to appear gray while not wanting to go through with them actually paying for their actions because without them everyone would have been fucked by aliens apparently.

>>15091977
>Be Tieria
>Now know the exact location of Veda
>can directly link with it and stop the fighting and suicide units immediately once done
>can also use Trial system to shut down innovate grills
>they haven't caught up to his motive
>let's himself get owned and essentially plays Possum
>try to reason with Ribbons
>kills you and lets his guard down
>take over Veda entirely

>>15091433
> instead they just do what they were going to do from day one.
Their beliefs changed throughout the series. That's why they got 4 year hiatus. They already know the things they did from day one did not work.

>Then the movie comes along and gives the message of humanity can't do shit but a hyper autistic child soldier who replaced his god with a robot can do anything.
In reality, humanity is doomed if such aliens happened to come near earth. And you can only take offense if you do not watched Setsuna development through the series.

>>15091990
> they're still not arrested by the end of the movie
They were already persecuted at the end of season 1 and hunted down for 4 years. Whatever shit Ribbons pulled, they clearly don't have a hand as it became clear to everyone as S2 progress. They are pardoned in S2 because they produced a spark that lead people (military esp) to stand up to the atrocities the government did in the name of world peace.

>>15092962
>They are pardoned in S2
They weren't. Kati said that they would have to answer for their crimes before the final fight against Ribbons and again she told the military to keep an eye out for CB before her wedding. Nothing states that they were ever pardoned but it doesn't matter since the show threw out any aspect of gray after the first season.

>>15092962
>They were already persecuted at the end of season 1
They only captured Al everyone else escaped so they weren't persecuted.

>>15092988
Kati said that they would have to answer for their crimes before the final fight against Ribbons
The only time they could have been arrested was during the end of S2. They weren't. And it's reasonable for Kati to be on the lookout even if CB is pardoned because they are still an organization with weapons on their side.

>since the show threw out any aspect of gray after the first season.
If you think S2 is going to be gray after S1, I don't know if you are watching.
1) Ribbons took over the world after S1. We know about his personality at the end of the season. He disposed both Alejandro and Trinity after they have served their purpose. There is no way he'll let any loose ends stay. That's why we do not see the world leaders in S2. They represent identity with the blocks, and that's one obstacle with his world domination.

2) CB at mid season learned about how dark their ideologies can go and that's not the way they wanted to operate anymore. After S2, they barely make any interventions.

>>15092993
Destroying them back in season 1 isn't persecution. Right.

Absolutely. Give it a try. Good plot that gradually builds decently. There is plenty of action to go around. I liked the second season better than the first. After you watch both seasons, be sure to watch the movie 00 trailblazer. Personally I liked it better than seed

>>15093289
>Destroying them back in season 1 isn't persecution. Right.
No its not. You are fucking wrong. Shut the fuck up.

>>15093289
>They weren't. And it's reasonable for Kati to be on the lookout even if CB is pardoned because they are still an organization with weapons on their side.
So you're wrong. Next..
>If you think S2 is going to be gray after S1, I don't know if you are watching.
Uh...I never thought that its just disappointing all the same that a show that was trying to do something ultimately failing to do so. Thanks for the pointless recap though didn't exactly disprove my argument.

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Season 2 was better than season 1.

Season 2 had actual stakes, and the tension in every battle was much higher. Celestial Being wasn't this invincible force of destruction anymore, and instead had actual agency as characters. The antagonists in S2 were a bunch of fags who always had the upper hand, and it was great to see them get killed (webm very related), as opposed to the not-really-antagonists of season 1 who were just a buncha soldiers doing their jobs.

>>15094605
>Celestial Being wasn't this invincible force of destruction anymore

I quite liked this though, because it made their opponents come up with different tatics for taking them on, since they couldn't do so head on.

And watching Col Smirnov and Graham stand up to the Gundams while piloting inferior suits was cool.

But you're right that the second season had actual stakes, and a lot more tension.

>>15091433

>>15091433

>Such shit only works if they are perfect and flawless which they are far from considering the shit Ribbons pulled.

Except their plan did work, the world was united under a single government. The problem was that the plan got hijacked by Ribbons and Alejandro, who were both narcissistic megalomaniacs. Post-S2 Earth Sphere Federation is the pacifist government that CB hoped to realize with their actions in S1. VEDA, except while under Ribbon's influence, had always been using its information manipulation capabilities to better the human race as a whole. It got the countries to unite under the three power blocs in S1 (the proto version of the ESF), give up development of nuclear tech, and push for the development of the solar power and orbital elevator system.

>They did do some side story stuff about the last actual humans trying to rebel against going extinct in favor of innovation but they promptly ruined it with S2 style black/while only morality and made them utterly evil and irredeemable for daring to reject CB's path.

The new humans had longer lifespans, better reflexes, and were able to utilize telepathic communication to resolve conflict. Some idiots were racists and thought that was a bad thing. Seems like an open and shut case to me. Everyone was eventually going to be replaced by Innovators anyway, seeing as how the catalyst for it was exposure to Trans-Am GN particles, which even the "old humans" were utilizing, ironically.

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>>15094605
Animation's aged really well for such an old show.

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>>15094774

>>15094774
>>15094777
Poor cgi

>>15094774
Because Sunrise gave a shit and this is the last main TV series they bothered with putting actual production budget to get the highest sort of animation values possible until G-Reco showed up almost a decade later. Now Sunrise is the Nu Toei, which is why shows have been declining leading to more QUALITY and lower budgets.

Just you wait, the series after IBO will probably be Digimon XROS Wars level bad.

>>15095388
Funny, because its CGI is better then Unicorn's. Hell TE's and MJP are way better then Unicorn's crap for that matter when it comes to CGI animation.

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>>15094777
>and in close combat, the advantage is mine!
>against the most notorious close quarters mobile suit ever

>>15095758
That's 00, not Exia.

>>15095873
Wasn't the 00 just the exia with a second gn drive?

>>15095881
The only thing they really have in common is colour scheme and pilot. The details of basically every part are different. Notably, it doesn't have a big fuckoff switchblade.

>>15080796
>Shows up 50 years later.
>Princess I am Silver Surfer now.

>those promo videos for 00 that the creators made for each season

Why can't Gundam have creators that actually enjoy working on the show again?

>>15095889
And it was neat.

>>15095881
>>15095887
00 used GN blade-rifles, which are just really upgraded versions of Exia's GN Sword with the GN gun part not a separate mode in it. Setsuna still liked slashing and fighting close range but his older age and experience meant he was more comfortable also hanging back at distance using range weaponry over obsessively always going in close for the kill.

On top of that, the A-Law pilot only likely had the data and reference information on the outdated Exia which is why he probably assumed he could defeat it in close combat. That said, grunts in 00 are still top tier.

>>15095894
These are all people who only care about money

>>15095894
It's hilarious in retrospect how accurate they were:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCH51iVIrXc

>>15095758
A-laws suit had that spear gun, so it expected to still stab the 00 ,assuming it only had rifles. The rifles the pilot thought were actually both rifle and blade, so slash slash B^)

>>15094605

My nigga.

>>15096083
Not true in the case of Mizushima.

>>15094605
I don't necessarily beleive season 2 was exactly as good season 1 but I do agree that /m/ massively downplays and twists it as being far worse then it actually is and there's still a lot of enjoyable direction and flow with some outstanding fun scenes like the Meister's using a Gundam's face to break down a prison wall to save Battery kun or Solid Snake Setsuna.

Season 2 was definitely fun.

>>15096742
>beleive
*believe

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>>15094605
Yeah fuck moral ambiguity and grounded characters bring on the one-dimensional mustache twirling villains and beamspam battles.

>>15096702
bullshit

>>15095979
>grunts in 00 are still top tier

Well, they were, until either the final battle in S1 or the opening few episodes in S2 depending on your viewpoint, wherein they lapsed back into what a typical Gundam grunt is, which is a faceless nobody surrounded by other faceless nobodies meant to die by the score to technologically superior adversaries with token resistance at best.

>>15097421
Nope.

>>15097676
Also wrong. Throughout both seasons you see them using tactics, teamwork, and skill to maintain themselves as credible threats and hindrances to the Meisters.

>>15096764
>Ribbons plainly shown at the end of season 1 to be exactly like Alejandro to have a god complex
>take an issue with this
Retard.

00 is a pretty good series. I'd put it at the top for non-UC series. 0079 is probably my favorite series, then the ZZ. Zeta has too many frustrating characters but definitely a good story. Unicorn is real up an down in quality but overall a decent series. I've not seen Victory Gundam Gundam X or all of ZZ. Turn A I saw the movies and that was really enough of that for me.

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>Patrick Colasour
best guy

>>15099592
Turn A's movies are garbage.

>>15098024
>R-R-R-Retard!

Great rebuttal

>>15100244
Great counter.

The Beamspam in 00 was insane.
How is Kira the Beamspam king again?
Also Igloo 1 best 21st century Gundam series

>>15100515
>Kira
it's a mary-sue with Jesus's plot armor

>>15100544
Setsuna survives an exploding exia and 0 gundam point blank......
Another one Setsuna survives a beam saber through the cockpit, which clearly burns through the armor of his gundam yet he is unscratched
?

Setsuna has as much plot armor as Kira

>>15100556
bullshit

>>15080339
Because it came out after the disaster which was Gundam Seed Destiny people were acceptable to anything. 00 was cut from the same cloth that gave us shit like A/Z and IBO and is essentially no different from them other than the fact that it was incredibly fucking goofy and was for the most part well-produced as far as Gundam shows go from that division.

>>15100566
Who hurt you?

>>15100515
>>15100566
Sup Valvrager.

>>15100561
Have you even watched 00?

>>15102000
yes and you?

>>15080339
>Setsuna and Marina After Story
When?

>>15096764
Dem 00 Quality is IBO-tier.

>>15080339
Should I watch the Gundam 00 anime or the movies?

>>15102342
Yes, absolutely. Even if the story may not be for you, it still is one of the best animated and well produced Gundam. If you find yourself not liking the series, go ahead and skip the Movie as it's mostly driving home the Themes of the TV show and a send off to the series.

>>15102342
Are you referring to the recaps by movies?
I'd say the TV run is better overall but the movies kind of sort of explain some things better.

Like why Lockon didn't go Trans-Am with Dynames.

>>15080339
I'm currently thinking of ordering a MG 00 Raiser, do you think it is a good gunpla? Or if you already built it could you share your opinion with me?

>>15087553
>And how else would Celestial Being choose a replacement?
Not going to his twin brother and automatically assuming he would be up for the cause which is even more retarded when they didn't have Veda with them so they just drew a fucking hat in hopes he'll be up and join them.

>>15102746
The MG Exia is a personal favorite of mine, and I would recommend it more than the MG 00 Raiser. I've built 2 of the MG 00 Raiser and they're not difficult, but aesthetically less pleasing than the Exia. Order yourself extra waterslide decals for the 00 Raiser if you do. I would suggest getting a 00 Seven Swords too, based on it being a much more fun and attractive build.

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>>15080339
Writing is hogwash and it wouldn't be such a problem if the show didn't take itself so fucking seriously while shouting cheesy one-liners like "Ore ga Gandamu da" with such a straight face. IBO has a lot of problems but its relative groundedness is what I like about it over 00's tone deafness

Narrative and characterization is so fucking distant like the show tries its hardest to not make you care about the characters at hand other than the audience surrogate (Saji) that it makes sitting through non-battle scenes a chore, the only other Gundam series with this problem was Wing.

It feels like a Gundam series made for the sake of being "different" rather than something that just so happens to be so hence why we wound up with AYY LMAOS in the movie. And no "Dialogues to Come" is not a viable reference point for Aliens and never will be.

As this >>15100566 00 came out in a time where idiots were acceptable to anything but it aged almost as badly as Death Note did where the teenagers singing praises for it then are now full grown adults embarrassed to be seen watching it. To give credit where credit its do unlike AGE and IBO "at least they tried" to dish out the best they could do with it instead of just letting it turn to shit like SEED/SEED Destiny. Show still manages to look good even now and its aesthetics can be considered among the best in the franchise at least the first season, at this saying a Gundam series has good music is like saying water is wet since very few entries have bad scores, and as dumb as 00's ideas were they at least went through with it unlike AGE and IBO. Is it the best Gundam? Far from it. Best AU? Nope. But it was the last time the Gundam TV committee gave us an honest effort (GBF is a blatant toy commercial and as good as it was they didn't really have to think hard about it and G-Reco is from Tomino who's always hands on with his work trying to die down as much committee influence as possible)

>>15102109
https://youtu.be/VTTmmMPGLQA?t=7m
explain this yamato moment

>>15102920
from 7 mins

>>15102884
>it wouldn't be such a problem if the show didn't take itself so fucking seriously while shouting cheesy one-liners like "Ore ga Gandamu da" with such a straight face.
Just in case you or any other people haven't seen this yet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCH51iVIrXc

>>15102109
https://youtu.be/vo8rZp0XY2A?t=24m56s
From 24:56
Prove Setsuna doesn't as much plot armor as Kira, protip you can't

>>15102925
That's nice but that's not from the actual show. Gundam SEED had those silly character theaters despite the fact that the show was a melodramatic cringefest. I'm not sure how posting a silly trailer disproves anything.

>>15102000
I don't think you've watched 00.

>>15102957
See >>15102920 & >>15102929
Setsuna survives a exploding gundam twice and one time a beamsaber goes through the cockpit and gundam not incinerating him.

How is this not Kira lvl of plot armor?

>>15102845
Setsuna was the one who invited him in. Setsuna has been keeping an eye on him before S2.

>>15094605
>Season 2 had actual stakes, and the tension in every battle was much higher.
Hell yes, some of my favourite scenes of the top of my head are when the ptolemy gets shot up (although wasn't this S1?) and the destruction of heaven's tower.

As soon as the Pseudo GN-Drive technology was released to the world things went rapidly downhill for Celestial Being, every mook could basically go toe-to-toe with the Gundams and they were constantly on the back foot having to pull guerrilla operations, while also dealing with the fact they were basically the cannon fodder of "the plan" and were expected to be killed off ages ago.

>>15102966
Your example was bringing up the movie version, no one is failing at missing your bait here, kiddo.

>>15102955
>I'm not sure how posting a silly trailer disproves anything.
And I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I posted it to disprove anything, it's just some silly little fun, that's all.

Besides I quite agree with your post.

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Why is he so cute?

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>>15103872
He's cuter in pink

>>15103055

People keep complaining about Trans AM spam in season 2, but I don't mind it. The Gundams didn't have overwhelming tech superiority anymore and Trans AM was their only remaining trump card. And it was a double-edged sword, meaning they had to use it wisely otherwise it could blow up in their face.

>>15103105
You do know that this happened in the regular show as well?
The difference being the choice of music.
Just admit it setsuna has some serious BS plotarmor

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>>15102342
The 00 recap movies don't make a lick of sense unless you've watched the TV series (e.g. the first movie tries to cram the entire first season - 25 episodes of plot - into 90 minutes). You can imagine how well that works out.

So yeah, avoid them until you've at least finished the series. Most of the additions are unnecessary anyway (a few snippets here and there), with the exception of spoiler >>15102412.

>>15104442
The movies also ruin the big reveal about who was piloting the 0 Gundam at the beginning.

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>>15104448
This is bullshit

>>15104448
It was revealed in season 2 you baboon

>>15106520
>It was revealed in season 2 you baboon
that's true

>>15102412
So why didn't it?

>>15107487
It went Trans am with the GN Arms and attacked the enemy ships in the bonus scenes for the dvds. Legit gave me an dynamic erection B^)

>>15104853
Yeah, should have at least taken Marina out for a midnight ride in his Gundam Aladdin style.

>>15104392
You aren't doing anything well with baito. Exia never blew up in either season.

In the flashbacks, Ali Al-Saachez is shown to be recruiting child soldiers for what he claims to be a holy war, but in the present, he shows no religious leanings. Was he just posing as a religious fanatic so he could revel in the ensuing carnage?

>>15110754
You have it exactly. He is a bloodthirsty warmonger and will use whatever means to perpetuate it. You will notice he doesn't have any particular loyalty to any person or group be it the religious fanatics, the mercenaries or the innovades. He just uses them to sate his bloodlust.

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>>15110754
Are you stupid? He gave up his convictions about God or Krugistan because he realized he's a mercenary with no morals at heart. That's why after his first boss, Alejandro is killed at the end of season 1, he gets recruited by Ribbons in season 2. The dude just loved killing and being paid to kill.

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>>15104853
Real OTP

>>15112357
Mmmm no, he explicitly states Krugis was a job. He was never religious at any point on screen, he just used religion to create the terrorist organisation and ensure the destabilisation he was hired for.

>>15110754
He liked war. He even said it in the show. Really the only reason he was fighting against Celestial Being was because he knew wars would end soon, so he wanted to revel in them as long as he could.

>>15114228
Post a screencap of him saying that because I don't remember that at all.

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>>15116233
here

>>15087184
Bushido was a fucking mistake goddamn i loved graham

>>15118099
>>15118099
>Bushido was a fucking mistake goddamn i loved graham
yeah, Ali Al-Saachez should have been main antagonist

>>15112357
He was never working for Alejandro. He starts working for the PMC in Moralia followed by working within the AEU under false identity. He does do work for Laguna Harvey followed by the brief killing after the GNX drives are given to the 3 militaries. If there is a hint that he worked for Alejandro at any point, it would've been minimal, since Ali just liked killing and money.

>>15118575
He gets hired by Alejandro after killing Laguna at the near end of season 1.

>>15117076
I knew you were shitposting.

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>MG Gundam Exia
My favourite waifu

>>15118099
Why do you hate Mr Bushido so much?

>>15117076
Dead on. Wait until you hear his reason for why he does all of it.

>>15122015
Why does he like it?

>>15122045
Yeah but the delivery of it (At least in the dub.) was so perfect he's speaking so matter of fact when he tells it you're just shocked.

>>15122116
Was that where he called himself "the worst kind of person there is" just before killing Kinue Crossroad? I've only watched the dub, but Scott McNeil was a great choice for the role.

>15122045
ITS JUST WHO I AMMMMMM

>>15122126
Season 2 where he confronts Setsuna in Krugis.

>>15122126
>dub
>not based Keiji

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>>15120904
He has shit taste. I love both Graham with or without the mask.

>>15122222
Quints can't lie either!

>>15122222
CMLL?

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>>15122222

>>15122222
Mr Bushido is Rey Mysterio 2.0

>>15084590
>Persian woman
>White
>Wear western clothes
>Take nip dick

That's always make me kek.

>>15084590
>literally EoP the post

>>15122700
Setsuna wasn't japanese though, he was also persian/kurd.

I'm very astounded at the gigantic retconning people are doing to paint 00 as a great series. Or even a good series. That's probably because gundam has had nothing but shitty stuff coming out forever, so the pickings are slim, but still. Every time anyone mentions that the actual concepts introduced into the series are retarded and absurd propositions for any semblance of a resolution, people are just like "but the show explained what those retarded concepts are. the retarded concepts were foreshadowed." as if it makes them any less retarded.

>>15122823
Bait better please.

>>15122222
Mr Bushido? God that is stupid. I still can't get over it. Who thought that was a good idea?

>>15090309
>There really isn't much difference between Destiny-era Kira and Celestial Being.
CB's actions were done explicitly to piss people off.
Aeolia's plan was to have them aim all the world's political frustrations at CB, take them out, and then form a United world gov't.

And that was just the start of the plan.

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00 MSVs are pure sex. You could tell that the people working on all the gaidens and shit were really enjoying themselves.

>>15084590
I think she was a more realistic version of the peace princess cliche.
She had no real authority to do something like five an epic speech or whatever, but she did a lot of humanitarian stuff and tried her best to change things politically.

>>15124846
Marina is a horrible character in every way, season 2 is a trainwreck in general

>>15122150
I couldn't stand the dub from Setsuna sounding like an edge-lord alone.

>>15125381
>I couldn't stand the dub from Setsuna sounding like an edge-lord alone.
I like the dub from Setsuna

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When?

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>>15126473
>3 hours 48 minutes

Every time.

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>>15080339
I dig these guys

>>15123100
Nah what he's saying is true. I like 00 but I cringe when people pretend the only reason someone doesn't like it is because they just don't UNDERSTAND.

>>15126586
You are retarded.
>>15125350
You are also super retard.
>>15124381
>Graham with a mask is AWFUL!

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>>15080339
Why do people like this show? The protagonists were boring and their ludicrously overpowered Gundams had zero chance of losing until the last couple of episodes (and even then, just barely). Every obstacle was overcome through some new techno-magic bullshit asspull. Veda was the worst plot device I've seen in a while, both in concept and in execution. The fucking "antagonists" were the best part, at least until season 2 shit the bed. Not to mention one of the worst Char clones to date. And to top it all off, everything that happened was part of a ridiculous 4D-chess plot to get us ready for fucking First Contact. Because clearly if there was one thing Gundam needed, it was the Borg.

>>15080617
That has nothing to do with the quality of the show. Haruhi's irrelevant now because they stopped adapting material. Monogatari would have met the same fate if SHAFT hadn't kept animating every single novel over the years. It'll come back eventually, just like Code Geass and every other thing that gets revived once nostalgia for it becomes profitable enough.

>>15127037
Kill yourself (You) faggot.

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>>15127037

>>15104442
how did they have sex for so long?

>>15127481
Ribbons was an asexual creature, since innovades had no need for reproduction (excluding anew, who was mentioned to be a woman i.e having a vagina), so Ribbons most likely had this obscure hole for urination that Alejandro froliced in on an almost daily basis.

>>15128113
but, he's pretty gay

>>15128588
He can't be gay since Ribbons was neither male not female B^)

>>15128650
>>15128113
Innovades have both male, female, and even asexual "genders". Ribbons was clearly a male, just like Hillings and Anew were clearly female and Tieria was neither.

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Marina a cute

>>15128652
Kek, Tieria, you're always great for boner confusion.

>>15128652

Pretty sure Hilling was genderless as well. Translations from the novels/supplementary material mentions that she uses fake breast pads to pad up her chest. lol

what the fuck are innovades even? Where did they come from and who made them? Suddenly this purple guy's a chick or just crossdressing? Oh nevermind hes a computer program now.

>>15128652
They appeared masculine other feminine, but we're never mentioned to be actual male or female, with the exception of A new ("that's what we get for making her a woman")

>>15130858
>novels
Not canon. Not even remotely implied in the anime at all.

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00 get great mechs,

I think in terms of just raw strength, allelujah is the strongest in combat of all celestial being, but then again, all of the gundams are designed with different roles in mind, so there really is no comparison.

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Lewd girls

>>15135625
>Sumeragi
Yes.
>Christiana
Maybe.
>Fedlt
Cutie but autistic.

How come 00 has better animation and holds up better than almost anything I've seen? It's so fucking crisp.

>>15081060
stupid weeaboo shit aside, he was definitely the best ace grunt rival ever

>>15137793
Last Gundam series besides G-Reco that Sunrise gave a proper shit about before Bandai turned them into the new Toei.

>>15117076
>Ali Al-Saachez
God forbid you make comparisons between wars in Gundams and wars in reality, heh? Some religious leaders are true fanatics. One guy 160 years ago in China thought he was the younger brother of Jesus and had visions for his country, and he led a rebellion that led to 20 million deaths. Other leaders just use religion to gather people, but they go against it in private, by e.g. consuming pornography and alcohol, in the case of Islam. Whatever the case religion is more a tool than a goal. When people have money and a government that's not too corrupt and too oppressive, people just go on with their lives. When that's not the case, people gather in churches/mosques/temples etc, some guy comes out of that to lead people, and whatever rebellion ends up being in the name of religion instead of the more abstract concept of a better quality of life. Ali just wants to fight. Surely he has some level of faith, but the one thing he believes is that the people in front of him must be defeated.

>>15086862
>implying there are women on /m/

Come on dude

>>15137793
Bandai invested all that SEED money back into Studio 3.

>>15139652
Pretty sure it had more to do with Geass' popularity and success then Seed's.

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>>15139652
>Bandai invested all that SEED money back into Studio 3.
source?

>>15139444

/m/ shows are fujoshi paradise

>>15141081
bullshit, /m/ loves yuri and cancer

>>15090309
To be fair to Destiny, the show initially presents Kira's interventions as being less-than-heroic (the sinister appearance of Freedom in the OPs and when it diced up the Savior, Kira's role in Heine's death, complaints from Athrun and Shinn about Kira's behaviour). However, that's completely forgotten once Kira takes back the MC spot, and suddenly everything Shinn thinks or says is wrong. That's how we ended up with the silly situation where Kira inadvertently lets an international terrorist get away because 'muh Orb'.

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>>15137793
>>15139652
It was Bandai's first show to be animated natively in HD and so they spared no expense to make sure it blew everything else that was airing at the time out of the water visually (and it did).

I remember there were articles from producers of other shows complaining that not everyone had the budget of 00.

>>15139652
There's the rumor that Mizushima brought in his own team of animators from Bones to work on the series (most of whom stayed on for AGE).

>>15141485
Exia is equivalent to twenty thousand waifus

I like how setsuna turned into a hybrid immortal alien lmfao ugh the movie was horrible

>>15141081
Nice delusion.

>>15141485
And yet they still redid scenes in the special edition, like that atrocious Dynames fight where it stood just there prone shooting to both sides.

>>15141464
Thanks for the response.

I'm the guy who usually makes a bit of a deal out of Destiny's message of "question your leaders," saying that the show begins presenting him in an overly romanticized light but it really wants the audience to question his team's actions rather than blindly follow along. Sure, Kira comes across as Jesus in that final stretch but going by the show's message the audience is supposed to think about what he's doing and questioning whether it's the right thing. It's a fun little way of seeing Destiny, arguing Kira is the real fallen hero of the show. It even explains Fukuda's quote about Team Archangel going off the path of justice.

Now, I don't believe this is what Fukuda intended. Going by some of his interviews, the man just expects the audience to take things at face value. And the fact of the matter is, there are a bunch of fanboys who act like he does nothing wrong during the series. People still refer to him as a pacifist despite his actions being the literal opposite of pacifism and the show implies he's ready to fight anyone who starts shit. SEED was a big boost for Gundam and what Destiny unintentionally promotes can be very dangerous in a young mind. So that could be why 00 appears to have been created to combat it.

I think one of my favorite moments watching Destiny was that episode where Kira attacks the space port so Lacus can steal the shuttle. I was watching the Remaster on youtube and guys were calling him out on being a terrorist in the comments. Those people get it, but the kids who watched Destiny probably didn't.

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>>15143352
Nobody's Perfect

>>15142636
I liked this scene

>>15144150
I disliked Marina always and got kinda mad that they only told us what happened to Marina and not Lockon, or Allelujah, or rest of the CB for that matter.

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>>15145848
Cutie

Trying to watch Gundam 00, should I watch the movies (Special Edition) or anime?

>>15147245
Both

>>15147245
Production order:

TV season 1 > TV season 2 > Special Edition movies > 00 movie.

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Teria

>>15148287
Still probably has a dick.

>>15080606
Why did Japan like Mister Bushido? Was it the LOL-factor that they found so amusing?

>>15148349
>same character
>with a mask

>>15144150
Fuck off /m/ Marina is so sexy

>>15139444
there's plenty of girls(male), show some consideration

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lewd giirl

>>15141081
Especially Gundam.

>>15080339
This is probbaly the last good gundam show we had if you don't include the first BF
It seems like they are trying to push IBO really hard to be the next 00, but it just isn't working

>>15150415
First season was good with the exception of a little too much MUAH HA HA WE'RE SO EEEEEVIL from gjallarhorn
Second season so far is dumb as hell.

>>15150434
Gali Gali = Mr Bushido

>>15129967
>that UNHCR box

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Setsuna is my favourite gundam MC

>>15150569
>Setsuna is my favourite gundam
ftfy

>>15150434
you're confused
S1 was the shit storm
S2 so far is good

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Nena Trinity is so lewd

>>15150618
S1 seemed to lose its balls after all those protestors getting slaughtered, like they were afraid to keep being edgy.
S2 is just shlock.

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>>15150624
Yeah

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Bad girl

>>15150629
>S2 is just shlock.
No it isn't.

>>15150642
yes it is.

>>15150624
Nenafag please disappear from this board.

>>15150638
Why did she come back to life in the movie and was a slut?

>>15150648
Nena is Love, Nena is Life

>>15150649
because she love Setsuna's dick

>>15150646
No it isn't, kuso kun.

>>15150656
but she ended up sucking that one guy that the big boobed chick strung along all of S1

>>15150649
In-story explanation:
>MILF Nena in the movie was the 'source' of (or a descendant of) the genetic material used to create Nena Trinity
>Likewise, Aeolia has a friend called "E.A. Ray" who was the genetic source of Ribbons
Real-life explanation:
>Nena's seiyuu was very popular at the time, so they made up MILF Nena to justify her having a role in the movie, given original Nena was dead

>>15150697
>big boobed chick
>S1
I know you're talking about Sumeragi, but that explanation narrows it down to every female character in S1, bar Nena and Marina