Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 2nd Season

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>>15076799
The warrior remembers the past.

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Starting this thread off right again.

>>15076813
What's with the blood?

>>15076815
he ams a strong independent boi who needs no MAN to protect him though he do need a man to snuggle with on cold nights

E P 3 9 W H E N

i want to see what happens to cripple mika damnit.

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How do cripples have sex?

>>15076830
aaaaaaa

>>15076830
>:DDD
reddit get out

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>>15076809
I’m sure he remembers, it was boring…

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>>15076829

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>>15076840
There is simply no truth in this.

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>>15076821
Nonsense, every boi needs a MAN.

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>>15076853
> Mika I order you to hug her!

Alright, let's get this shit started. Who's doing to die by series end? Who will survive?

I'm hoping for a massive body count.

>>15076860
What's the context?

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>>15076865
I'm sure hush is gonna die

bless him
>also this boy

>>15076809
That animal instinct was in the air

I want to mate now

>>15076823
He's just going to chill in Saisei with Barbatos

The PV confirmed this

>>15076901
BEST BOY WILL NEVER DIE YOU BASTARD

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>>15076926
He better not die, otherwise what a complete waste of screen time he was

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>>15076865

OK, i'll bite

>DEAD, for sure
>Orga or Mika, not both (snifle orga)
>Hush

>Likely Dead:
>The other main not mentioned above
>Naze
>Akihiro
>Vidar (snifle)
>Ride
>Chad
>Zach
>Shino
>Atra or Kudelia (snifle for Atra)
>McGillis
>Rustal
>Isurugi
>Pimp Man

Maybe dead:
>Iok
>Julietta
>Toda
>Mechanigger
>Laftner and or Azee
i'd say my predictions are 90% shit, but hey, might as well cast a die.

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>>15076926
>>15076932
I'm sure Ride's gonna eat it out somewhere
Hush MIGHT not. either Mika or Hush are gonna die but I don't think both

>>15076939
>Atra or Kudelia
yeah i'm thinking so too
probably Atra since everyone likes her more
>McGillis
probably gonna go full evil adult and get killed by Mika

>>15076865
Here's who I think should die but probably won't due to happy ending kind of

Mikazuki
Shino
Naze
Lafter
Derma
McMurdo
Rustal
Iok
Vidar
Dane
Red head guy

>>15076964
Ride will run Tekkadan one day

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>>15077003
oh! that'd be sweet!
>hope he can get over THIS
I know it wasn't his fault but i'm sure he feels that it is

>>15076901
Hush is going to die as much as Gali is dead.
They are going to put Potato Heat Mika into Hushs head to make Mecha Hush.

>>15077003
Hopefully that's the sequel to him being the next Amuro.

>>15076865
Akihiro, Eugene, Chad, Derma, Orga.

>>15077073
Honestly Eugene is one of the best candidates to die. The only reason to keep him alive is IF orga dies, so he can succeed him and turn Tekkadan into something less violent or disband it. But I just feel like there's no point to him at this point other than to die and show muh stakes are high near the end.

I really hope Akihiro and Lafter both live but I think one will die. Orga or Mikazuki wlil definitely die. I think Hush will actually live.

>>15077151
I don't see the slightest chance of Akihiro returning Lafter's feelings, she'll most likely just die to protect him or the other way around.

What about Orga ending up in space jail?

>>15077204
lafter will get killed in the upcoming mission
jasley got some shit up his sleeve
wants to send a message to naze
going to get his harem killed

The biggest fear is another finale similar to S1. What are the chances?

>>15077252
They need to start moving the plot points. McGillis has not done/show/said what exactly he plans to do. He just "wants to make this world less corrupt". He needs to kill off Rustal sooner than later and turn on Tekkadan. I know mcgillis is a crazy bitch he needs to show it tho

yeah S1 sucked tho ngl

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>Action base sold separately


looks like it comes with the Teiwaz weapons from the option set.

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>>15077304

>>15077304
It has a motherfucking rocket launcher?

>>15077250
>Lafter almost dies
>Gets put in an Ein Jar
>Gets put in a Rather Unique System just for Guts

>>15077304
>>15077306
Am I the only one who hates these feet

>>15077318
Want

>>15077324
I like the gnome shoes
They're ugly like me

>>15077306
Another grenade launcher?

>>15077151
The one who will take over Tekkadan will be Merribit.

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>>15076865
die? McGillis for sure, he's the big bad and every gundam series outside of After War and Zechs the main villain dies.

I think Orga will either die or become crippled they've been "hinting" his demise for a long time now.

Naze and most of his Harem. they're dead weight at this point. maybe Lafter and Anzee will survive due to their connections to tekkadan but I don't think the others will.

Rustal, he'll probably get killed at some point. kinda hoping its via MS battle cause I don't want to see him go out like Bask Om or Jamitov.

I'd like to say more named tekkadan's will die but I really doubt it.

Now Iok and Julietta are two I can see die. but not sure how, I'd say Julietta would be via MS battle and Iok he'll probably kill himself somehow.

Guys help, I think I'm in love with Kudelia.

>>15077698
I am so sorry.

>>15077441
>he'll probably kill himself somehow
Death via asteroid would be too good for him.

>>15077698
no anon, wish rape her is not love

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Why is this allowed?

>>15077698
But she takes boy's dicks in a crude area.

>>15076901

B E S T B O Y

>>15077441
>Iok he'll probably kill himself somehow.

One of his shots will ricochet and hit his own MS, finally getting him his first MS kill.

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>>15077991

>>15077441
>>15077000
>>15076939
Anyone who is expecting more than two deaths on Tekkadan/Teiwaz side and one-two on Gjallarhorn side is fucking delusional.

>>15078185
>>15077991
I want ridefags to go and stay go.

>>15078227
Deaths are inconsequential. As long as there's no happy ending where the world is suddenly fine and Atra gets her dream of a threesome on the farm, the ending would be passable.

>>15078294
Pretty much although I'd rather have Tekkadan generally succeed after some sacrifice. I just don't think the drama of their defeat would be done competently enough to leave the viewer without a sense of a huge waste of time.
Inb4 some shitposter says it's already been doing that.

>>15078227
There are only like 4 people on Gjallarhorn side, not counting McGillis and his fucboi.

>>15078326
I'd hate them to succeed at their current goal, beyond that a somewhat happy ending is fine.

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>half of Mika's body is now unusable out of Barbatos
S T R O K E B O Y S

>people don't think either Orga or Mika will die by the end of S2
Mika is half-vegetable, something is going to happen.

>>15078428
> there's an emergency
> Hush puts potato sack over his shoulder and rushes off
> he slips
> GERMAN SUPPLEX
> Mika ded

>>15078447
>> Hush

Knew this bitch would cause problems

>>15076865

At this rate everything is so painfully telegraphed that I won't be surprised at all if Tekkadan suffers absolutely no losses and just shit-stomps Teiwaz and McGillis into the dirt, frankly.

Mika should end assimilateted by the Barbatos. His body dies, but his mind still lives in a new one.

>>15078549
They will put him in an Ein Jar and give Hush a Rather Unique System

>>15078421
He can use it, but only when Barbatos let's him. He saw the mobile armor with his right eye, even though he was out of the cockpit. The gundams are metaphorical demons. Mika has made a pact with Barbatos and given control of his body to it.

>>15077985
She's a virgin.

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>>15076901

If they kill Ride after this last story arc, i'll be pissed. Kid is a damn hero jumping into certain death like that trying to save people.

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>>15078421

Ironically i like him far more now as a semi-useless sack of potatos they have to carry around to save their worthless asses when they're in trouble.

Need a scene of Orga confronting another traitor/business partner who screwed them over and for Mika to crawl into the room to kill the guy with his gun again.

>>15077331
Their from option set 2. They've been out for over a year

>>15078700
With a knife in his mouth.

>>15077698
It's the ASS.

>>15078700
They just need to buy a wheelbarrow for Hush to push him around in.

>>15078185
>Dang it
I thought KSHAAA meant more like "SHIT!"

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>>15079099
Yes partially, she has a banging body all over. But she's a genuinely nice person who cares about others far more than she does herself. I thought she'd be a Relena clone, but there's a something in how she treats people that's endearing.

>>15079159
>she's a genuinely nice person who cares about others far more than she does herself

Mindbroken Kudelia should be a pretty good fuck.

>No episode last Sunday because New Year
>IBO special program this week

>>15079175
At least we will get a new OP on the 15th.

Bael will finally be animated.

>>15079187
looking forward to its paint scheme.

>>15079187
I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that Fighter will be the Survivor to Rage of Dust's Raise your Flag.

>>15079196
I'm betting on either Gold or Red.

>>15079229
Black&Gold would be sweet.

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>>15079159
You know It’s her body! since doing things for the sake of others and having no self-preservation is how Tekkadan rolls, I do appreciate she actually accepts people will die for her actions instead of playing dump about it.

But things could work better if those damn kids stopped assuming what others want and actually try to speak things through.

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>>15079272
I know many things.

>>15078549

It should be like Big O where a guilty pilot is eaten alive and brutally assimilated.

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>>15079196
I want the color to be similar to this

Twin Drive.
Check your myanimelist.

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Ever wanted a keychain of a pedophile and his victim? Sunrise got you covered.

>>15079205
you're right, it WILL be the second op for the season.

>>15076823
The 15th unfortunately. This week was New Years (kinda) and next week is some nip holiday.

>>15076865
Orga will die. But his soul will choose to go back in time, the time when he was happiest, and he will be at season 1 first episode.

>>15079397
>Orga will die. But his soul will choose to go back in time, the time when he was happiest, and he will be at season 1 first episode.

Will he kill Mikazuki?

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>>15079397

Orga is a near-perfect case of "characters who did nothing right" to the point where it's astonishing how incompetent he was as the leader.

>>15079483
Is this from the dub?

>>15079491
It has to be. I can't see Mika saying that shit otherwise.

>>15079483
What decisions would you make in his place that wouldn't be as incompetent, smartass? Give some examples.

>>15079159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

>>15079483
>Nothing right
>Thanks to him Tekkadan has a perfect record of successful missions, a large network of powerful connections, 3 gundams + several MS squads, and are the most powerful and famous group on Mars.

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>>15079508

You are joking right? You honestly find nothing wrong with his hilarious "hey guys, go kill yourselves for me because i haven't got a plan" speech at the end of the last season?

>>15079560

>Deal with the devil
>Right

I'm sorry, Mika. I couldn't hear you down there on the floor now that you are a crippled sack of shit.

>>15079589
I was asking for concrete examples not a emotionally colored evaluation of his decisions.
>"hey guys, go kill yourselves for me because i haven't got a plan"
That's just factually incorrect, he did have a plan, it just involved some Tekkadan kids getting killed. Reminds you they are a PMC, dying for the client is part of the contract.

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>>15079483
I feel sorry for him, Orga wants to do what he thinks is the best for his family but his army will agree with whatever he says since there was no replacement for Biscuit, I kind of hoped Merribit or Kudelia could try to give him a hand, especially Kudelia with her talk with Makanai about helping Tekkadan.

but it seems Merribit is way too passive to help and kudelia help is mostly taking care the farm and be worried about Mika, but all the moral support or guidance Orga gets is Mika telling him to push forward.

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>>15079597

>he did have a plan, it just involved some Tekkadan kids getting killed.

Have to be honest, that does sound like a shitty plan.

>>15079609
Sorry, not every circumstance allows planning for a perfect victory.

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>>15079605

Wow this might be more on the money than i initially presumed. Biscuit sort of kept his ambition within reason and morality. Now he's out of the picture Orga is shaking hands with McGillis and scheming with him to take over Mars for the company by any means necessary.

Was Biscuit supposed to be the Kircheis of this series? Now he's long gone, characters will retrospectively wax sentiment "Orga would have never done this if Biscuit were alive" or something?

>>15079611

IBO has been nothing but a success story for Tekkadan you sort of secretly hope for outcomes like that.

>>15079609
>implying some of the most brilliant military strategies didn't involve necessary sacrifice of the soldiers
>implying it's even possible to plan for an action without taking deaths of the soldiers into account

>>15079691
Yeah, they had no other choice, it was get the VIP in the target location no matter the cost, once they accomplish that the order changed to survive no matter what

>>15079597
He screwed First Corps when they were retreating.
He got off Mars before Gjallahorn and Todo could stop/betray them.
He boarded Naze's ship in a daring feint.
Did he mastermind the attack on the Brewers? I don't recall.
He deployed the chaff to screw Carta's sensors.
He planned the trap for Carta on the island.
He had the plan to trap and defeat the MA.
His personal relationship with Naze has been nothing but a boon to Tekkadan.

He might not be perfect, but he's still Gundam Big Boss.

>>15079710
>He got off Mars before Gjallahorn and Todo could stop/betray them.
They still caught up.

>He boarded Naze's ship in a daring feint.
Ok

>He deployed the chaff to screw Carta's sensors.
That isn't especially great

>He planned the trap for Carta on the island.
Ok

>He had the plan to trap and defeat the MA.
Ok

>His personal relationship with Naze has been nothing but a boon to Tekkadan.
Its not over yet.

>He might not be perfect, but he's still Gundam Big Boss.
Thats a bit of a stretch.

>>15079732
The chaff was outmoded. It worked because nobody expected it. A brilliant call.

>>15079738
Sounds more like bad writing.

>>15079745
Or gas

>>15079707
>the order changed to survive no matter what

So basically walk in the other direction

How big is Yamagi's dick

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>>15079786
Yamagi has a dick?

>>15079368
He looks like a big bad wolf eyeing a lamb on this thing.

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>>15079797

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>>15079800
>MCG/Vidar
Disgusting.

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>>15079884
There is one for everyone!

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>>15079896
Who will get the last slot?

>>15079621

Biscuit was going to leave Tekkadan like Takaki did. But he never had the chance and instead died to motivate Orga into making big plays vs playing it safe. Biscuit may be rational but even he realize how dangerous close he was to being like his brother. What would he do if he thinks that Orga has gone to the deep end in the next season and abandon what Tekkadan was fighting for?

The only difference between him living and dying was if he was running Sakura Farms with his Grandma and taking Cookie and Cracker to school and back. He won't be advising Tekkadan anymore after Edmonton

>>15079930
Mika crawling on the ground with Atra and Kudelia crying over him.

>>15079930
A variation of Mika and Orga

>>15079793
Yes, but it's a feminine dick, so it doesn't count.

>>15079896
I just realized Hush is Hodor.

>>15079930
Julietta strangling Iok.

She'd be the hero everyone needs.

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>>15079884

Best pair. Rich boy and monkey girl make for an entertaining couple.

>>15080544
They're more like mentor and mentee to me.

>>15080578
She already had a mentor.

He really never tells her what to do, but he does criticize her a few times. She just came down to chat because she doesn't trust him, although they seem like they get along.

>>15080578
Things dont look good for Julietta then because the last person who he mentored ended up a torso in a fish tank and after spending god knows how much to turn him into a war machine he got a lower kill count than the nameless gjallarhorn grunts defending the bridge.

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>>15080544
>>15079884
If Gaelio somehow survives this show they will fuck

>>15080909
With his vibrating robo dick?

>19 years between McGillis and Almiria
>20 years between Merribit and Nadi
>12 years between Julietta and Gaelio
What's with all these age differences?

>>15080980
What are their ages supposed to be?

>>15081018

We have absolutely no idea, since I don't think anyone except Almiria has an official age.

>>15081026
Was wondering what Merribit, McGillis and Gaelio's ages were since it seems like they are in their early to mid 20s

Julietta seems late teens to early 20s
Nadi could be from 30 to 50 and I wouldn't be surprised.

Since this is Gundam there is a decent chance they are all 18.

How many are not sold on the idea that even if McGillis succeeds and he doesn't backstab Tekkadan and they get to run Mars freely, that Mars will be better off?

>>15081018
McG is 29, Almiria is 10, Merribit is 31, Yukinojo is 40-50, Gaelio is 28 and I peg Julietta as 17, like all new kid characters.

>>15081040
It'd probably not change much for the average peson if not just being a bit more unstable due to being governed by an organization of 300.

Average person probably wouldnt see much of an increased wage despite regulatioms being lifted due to a labor surplus and an additional Teiwaz tax.

>>15081068
>McG is 29
>Gaelio is 28
I always pegged them to be in their early to mid twenties.
Also aren't some of the rich folks 200 years old, I read that in the wiki, but I have no idea if that is true or not?

>>15081095
>I always pegged them to be in their early to mid twenties.
McG and Gaelio were respectively 27 and 26 on that age chart we had around when S1 was airing.

>>15081122
Oh okay, then I just guessed wrong.

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>>15081095
>Also aren't some of the rich folks 200 years old, I read that in the wiki, but I have no idea if that is true or not?

It's true
Only way you can explain this guys face

Still no new images or anything from the next episode?

>>15081339
It's in ten days.

>>15081179
>It's true
>Only way you can explain this guys face
He's Chinese

>>15079605
Biscuit death was so unnecessary, extremely early I would say, he should had die after the time skip at least.

>>15079205
>>15079374
wrong. this is kana-boom we're talking about. unless they go from ass-raped to bad ass the songs going to be Seed Destiny's 'wings of words' for IBO

On the same topic this will be the new ED.
https://twitter.com/yutax1051/status/814515403024056320

>>15081578
What about the OP?

>>15081584
No sample yet.

>>15081587
Alright. The ED sounds depressing as fuck then. Heres to hoping many Orphans die.

>>15079205
>Fighter will be the Survivor to Rage of Dust's Raise your Flag.
What does that even mean?

>>15081590
Not gonna happen, it's only sad because of Mika's state.

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>>15081590
Mika will die. There's no way he is getting out of Okada's crazy ride alive

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>>15081605
I would believe the same, but S1 ending did happen after all, I may change my view if a semi important orphan actually get killed before the last three episodes

>>15081635
Mika is so fucked right now that killing him off would just be like going through the motions, so I'm actually open to the possibility of him living.

>>15081656
Mika ends up in a prison cell which Gaelio comes to visit, but its not a sad ending because he is happy that he is free from Kudelia.

>>15081565
>>15081594
I mean that it will suck massive schlong compared to Rage of Dust.

>>15081679
Why would Mika be in prison and why would Gaelio ever visit him?

>>15081720
Survivor >>>> Raise your Flag
Unless you're a retarded memer.

>>15081749
Rage of Dust >>>> everything else

>>15081390
Why is he melting tho?

>>15081448
nah it set up their eventual death
I'll be pissed if a lot of them don't die now

but I don't expect them to

>>15081590
a majority of IBOs EDs have been depressing

>>15081961
Chinese don't microwave good

>>15081605
mikazuki has big hands for a midget

>>15081976

ORUFENZ NAMIDA

Still the best ending.

>>15081679
Would rather see Orga in prison.

Once McGillis fucks Tekkadan over I'm sure he'll make the public think Tekkadan are radical terrorists who need to be killed.

Mikazuki will die as well as other members.

Ride will live tho and lead the remaining Tekkadan members.
He will also breed with Lafter

>>15081981
ORUFENZ NAMIDAAA
Us a great ending in general

>>15081751
I don't think anyone would argue that Rage Of Dust is the best opening.

>>15081982
>Ride will live tho and lead the remaining Tekkadan members.
>He will also breed with Lafter
As much as I like mah boy Ride, Lafter belongs to Guts.
He will have some hot twin sex with Cookie and Cracker though once they are older.

>>15081999
>>15081999
>Forgetting demale Takaki
Rider is Takaki's BFF. He will hit that

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>>15081999
>He will have some hot twin sex with Cookie and Cracker though once they are older.

>>15082008
Takaki's sister belongs to her onii-chan.
She was willing to have a threesome with her onii-chan and Aston, but now that Aston is dead she belongs soley to Takaki.

>>15081999
Will you retards ever register the fact that Guts doesn't give a fuck about Lafter?

>>15082029
Never

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>>15079930
last one?

>>15082042
Second last according to the tweet.

>>15081656
Living would be worse than death, the way he is now.

>>15082048
But wouldn't that make for a more interesting ending?
Mika fighting for a world he has no place in and trying cope and live with that fact after Orga dies ofcourse?

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>>15082042
>Yamagi removed
Fucking sacrilegious.

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>>15079930
Last slot.

>>15082042
>最後の…?1/5(木)夜
>And the last one...? 1/5(Thu)Eve.

We'll find out in a few hours, it's still afternoon over there.

>>15079930
Kudelia Mika Atra

>>15081976
Well this one sounds even more depressing than usual.

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>>15082029
Of course he does, he's just being respectful and has self-worth issues.

She's gonna ride him like a bronco.

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>>15076799
wat

>>15082058
I have nothing against that sort of ending, actual quite the opposite, as long as they don't try to make it look happy and crap.

>>15082094
One can like girls AND girly-looking boys. They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

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space rats!

>>15082122
What?

>>15082122
Shino likes cowtits though, so that's not really an advantage for Yamagi.

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>>15082159

>>15082167
HAND ON COCK

>>15082167
>I'm gonna squeeze me some lemon juice
>wait that's not a lemon!

>>15082167
You cheeky bastards

>>15082159

At the risk of oversimplifying a very dense topic, human sexuality isn't as binary as gay or straight, it's more like a continuum of attraction. One can live their whole lives as 'straight' while still finding some men attractive. For some people the actual gender of the partner is less an issue than how they represent themselves, which is why some straight men find cross dressers or trans individuals attractive, even though they technically have a penis.

tl;dr: Shino can bang whomever he likes, girl or girly-boy.

>>15082159
He's saying the blonde trap asked the other guy if he liked girls because he was hoping he other guy liked him instead.

So anon is trying to imply that homolust can bloom on the Gundam field, even between a guy who likes guys and a guy who likes girls.

>>15082185
Situational sexuality can be very fluid, especially amongst teenagers who have to be roaring with hormones.

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>>15082081
>She's gonna ride him like a bronco.
Oh yeah

>>15082081
Yamagi has a better chance of convincing Shino to fuck him than Lafter has Akihiro.

>>15082233
The whole point is to show the Japanese audience that being gachimuchi can make you attractive to women. I think Akihiro would reciprocate as long as Lafter is direct with her feelings.
Likewise, Yamagi is there to show a homo angle that Japanese people don't usually see.

>>15082233
So you're saying its looking pretty good for Lafter?

>>15082258
It looks about as good for her as Akihiro not giving a fuck about her and fucking his weights instead.

>>15082247
>I think Akihiro would reciprocate as long as Lafter is direct with her feelings.
Even his VA says he gives zero fucks. He's pretty callous and unapproachable so I don't think he'd reciprocate just because Lafter insisted on it.

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>>15081679

>>15082519
>muh human debris
Are we really going to have to go through that again?

>>15082529
Be my guest. Akihiro hasn't been acting like a doormat for a long time now, he is not going to respond to Lafter all of a sudden being as unresponsive as he's been until now.

>>15082527
I didn't tell me.

>>15082541
I don't think they'll be that blunt about it. Hell, I'm wondering how they'll work it out with Naze. This could seriously blow everything the fuck up.

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>>15082073
> that mouth

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>>15082073
Nope, last slot was Gaelio with Ein!

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>>15082883
And Shino with Yamagi.

>>15082883
>Animate exclusive
>>15082886
>Premium Bandai

Good goy fujos, order twice.

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well, that's hot

>>15082167
>Shino's cup is also magenta
Nice.

>>15083312
That stomach hnnngh

>>15082519
And Lafter's feelings just came out of nowhere. You can say Lafter only has feelings for Akihiro now because that's what shippers wanted.

>>15083455
Their (sexual) tension began when she said he was rowdier than Naze in bed. Those feelings evolved into something romantic when Akihiro's quiet compassion for others gave Lafter that moyamoya feeling. She worries about him a lot in battle and teases him about his aim or charging ahead recklessly.

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>>15079930

>four pairings of Mikazuki and Orga

I know they keep pushing it and prioritising it, but it's just laughable at this point how Gaelio and Ein beat them so easily in the last season.

People just do not like being told what to root or support for. It has to be earned through story telling, not shoved in your face constantly.

>>15083512
I keep wondering if they think the audience goes "Awww how sweet!" everytime Orga and Mika exchange words.

>>15083512
You can sum that up about the entire series.

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>>15083542
I wonder the same about those scenes and some questionable "heroic" moments

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>>15083512
You guys are talking like Mika/Orga isn't popular, it's pretty damn popular. That Gaelio/Ein voting result was rigged, going by the doujins and art it's tied between the two with Shino/Yamagi just behind. There's usually less commotion about Mika/Orga mostly because of continuous supply, people go bonkers about those other ships because they get less.

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Chocolate Girls!

>>15083677

>1800 votes

R I G G E D

>>15083542
>>15083623

You know, this is why I continue to watch this show. I want to find out whether the ending will treat Tekkadan as heroes Kira Yamato-style, or will it end with them in a more negative light. I just have to know whether the people making it actually buy the shit coming out of their mouths. Though I do remember the director saying something like "people shouldn't think Tekkadan are wrong or misguided."

>>15083455
Not really. She's been getting closer to him since they met.

>>15083741
Source?

>>15083741
>"people shouldn't think Tekkadan are wrong or misguided."

That's hilarious because for the longest time it has seemed like they are.

>>15083811
Why? It's wrong wanting to survive? Fuck you man.

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>>15083683
I only want Shino's chocolate.

>>15083683
IBO sure has some damn fine girls.

>>15083803
It was that interview where he talked about how IBO wasn't a war story, rather one based upon Post-WWII Yakuza in Hiroshima.

>>15083741
Yeah, I'm fairly sure I remember reading something about how Tekkadan are wrong, but the audience isn't supposed to they are misguided.

>>15083835
They never said Tekkadan are wrong, but they might be misguided jesus get your reading comprehension.

>>15083862
The core of Tekkadan are now making six figure while profiteering off war. They are just funneling their money to Kudelia to handle it, but with that money they could easily help all of the children around them and that work for them. They even still sleep in bunks for crying out loud. Tekkadan is a fucking weird group and I need to see how they will be painted in the end.

>>15083862
Of course, the director would say that when there's so much wanking that it completely turned away a good portion of viewers to how much the plot bends itself backwards to justify their actions.

>>15083880
How are Tekkadan wrong though? Tell me why they shouldn't become autonomous and defend themselves, why, as cheap labor, they should not have to violently scrap and establish themselves in a world that gives no fucks about their lives? They were forced into a corner and basically had to ally with the worst sorts of people to not starve to death. They grew up into survivalists. They are not heroic by any means, but they are not wrong. It's just that with Mika they do not feel like underdogs at all despite their shitty background.

For as retarded as IBO is, when it is all said and done, I think it would be a great discussion among actually intelligent people on morality. Not even because it's intelligently written, but because the circumstances leave so much unexplored. Of course, no one would ever have a smart discussion on it on these boards, but you know. We don't even have good discussions about 00.

>>15083677
edited and colored edition by fanboy

>>15083875
They aren't profiting off any war for crying out loud, they're doing basic security jobs, the nature of those jobs is unfortunately dictated by their surroundings. How can they not be equipped like an army when just guarding a mine your ends up with a mass mobile suit raid.
And they aren't sleeping in bunks, only Mika is because he's weird. Those bunks looked long deserted.
>They are just funneling their money to Kudelia to handle it
And Kudelia is managing the orphanage, safe to stay it's part of Tekkadan's charity.

>>15083739
>bitching about results of an online poll
>on 4chan

Marble cake also the game.

"Apparently tekkadan is at around 200-300 people right now vs. when they first dropped on earth at only ~100 and suffering further losses.
it's suppose to feel like a small-to-mid sized company and compared to dawn horizon's 2500 they're like a drop in the bucket
They're famous as in everyone in their business knows their name like a venture startup and like a startup it's not fun if you actually join
As an organization they're a company doing private security but considering the rugged jobs they do it's more like a top-down style army.

They're not likely actively recruiting since lots of ppl want to join already and knowing how it felt they don't want to pay too little, And at their current scale it's about at the limits of how many people they can keep paying.

On recruitment: other than strength they look for ""young and motivated"" (producer's like...think about how scary that workplace sounds.

Um wow apparently tekkadan core team are making triple digits annual salaries atm despite not knowing where to spend it (holy snap).

They deserves it all but holy snap imagining takaki walking away from that to protect his sister (and mika please buy a wheelchair)(this is in the dollar sense btw the example producer gave was double digits mil yen)


On vacation it's more like what vacation which makes sense when they don't have any sense of work and private life separation to begin with.

bo completion mentioned CGS days they effectively made around 30,000 gjallar monthly after deductions when a loaf of bread was 100 gjallar.
which is suppose to be cheap for bread so I'm guessing they made maybe <500 bucks a month back then which is a few k annually (what a leap)."

>>15083903
mine tour*

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>>15080909
If Gaelio survives the show he will be a main character in Zeta Blooded Orphans

>>15083903
They helped secure arms and space arms during the Dort arc to provide resistance, they are fueling the Mars resistance and independence movement, they are a paramilitary and PMC, PMCs "security" jobs are whatever are dictated to them as you said, which includes violent and armed enforcement.

By our country's standards, they would be designated a terrorist group. By a lot of the imperial west's standards, actually.

>>15083880
Nah, it's more like you're bending over backwards to force find darker shades of moral ambiguity where there are none.

>>15083903
Dude, they are partnered with the fucking space mob AND doing deals with the repressive Gjallarhorn...it's not like they are any more fucked up than others but they are messed up and definitely profiteering off violence.

>>15083917
People here act like Tekkadan exploits themselves or have ever killed out of anything that wasn't self defense.

>>15083916
Yah, by your standards which do not apply over there. Is this so hard for you to understand that their world is DIFFERENT? OR are you too up you first-worlder ass to figure it out?
>They helped secure arms and space arms during the Dort arc to provide resisttace
That was a ruse, if you're still brining that up, you're probably just shitposting.

>>15083917
You're right everything is so freaking ridiculously simple that I won't even expect and ending to it all that is the least be mature or intelligent.

>>15083917
So you think Tekkadan are just good guys?

>>15076799
Anyone in this thread bitching about Tekkadans moral fibre should realize they never lived in the first world bubble that has given us ours. Orga showed more humanity to CGS or whatever then they were ever afforded.
Gali puked the first time he saw the AV, Tekadan needed them just to survive.

All that aside it's not like all of the Founding Father of America were perfect. Some of them were literally nothing but trolls, rabble rousers who could barely serve any purpose in life before or after the revolution.

>>15083925
It's actually not simple at all, but the darker morality that exists is absolutely justifiable on Tekkadan's end and everyone here acts like it isn't and acts like the show will be awful for not punishing them for their own survival. People flipped a shit when they killed Carta and overreacted to it. They keep trying to turn Tekkadan, which comes from a complex background, into villains when they are not and never will be. Mikazuki will never be. And he is not a sociopath.

>>15083918
>they are partnered with the fucking space mob
A fucking space mob which operates in far more transparent and organised ways than the fucking establishment. Dude, the mob is the law and security while Gjallarhorn is a cesspool of corruption.

>>15083937
>A fucking space mob which operates in far more transparent and organised ways than the fucking establishment.
Which is only a detail that is purely an informed attribute

>>15083931
It's hilarious how people in here sometimes appear to be more sheltered and delusional than the fucking tumblrinas with their sjw.

>>15083940
Ir-fucking-relevant.

>>15083937
Just because Naze is likable doesn't mean this at all. Look at all of the rats operating within it that are tryng to take Tekkadan down already and wanting to mess with them. Even Naze's main woman said that most of the women were used by men that are like that one pimp dude. There is no "transparency" there, they have an internal mess brewing, Naze is a different story. And Tekkadan is still working with the establishment that tried to kill them in the first place.

I'm not saying they're evil or bad guys, but they are absolutely a part of a cycle of violence and profiting off it. It is not their fault, but they are morally messed up.

>>15083933
Oh please, what's so complex about Orga's ambitons, McGillis schemes, or Kudelia's strides for independence. And the main problem with all of them is that all three of them is mostly talk. We don't see them do. They just introduce some scumbag who's "treating the orphans so terrible boohoo, kill him off", and rinse and repeat. The mobile armor was just breather from that because we got two of them back to back in the same season.

>>15083946
Uh, yes it is! How can you back up anything without the series actually showing that's the case?

>>15083943
In a way yea.

>QQ Mika killed a bad guy who ordered him to death
>and the bad guy didn't even have a gun
Or
>QQ there's a BOY on Shinos lap
>fucking Yaoi BS they wouldn't do something that gay in real life
For the record the military is gayer then many homosexual.
Not trying to be funny or anything, men get drunk and play a game called "gay chicken" where you are the chicken if you refuse to do the homosexual act.

>>15083948
Peace Princess Maiden of Hope is hiring them herself, while taking money from an arms dealer, while acknowledging they're a problem and she'd rather have them gone from her new world. This isn't exactly a place where moral intransigence is available.

>>15083962
Just because it's the army doesn't make it not count, homosexual act is a homosexual act. Not to say there's anything wrong with it, it's okay to be gay. Are you the anon who keeps bringing it up? Is this how you deal with sucking dick during your service?

Why must we attempt to attach shades of false depth to a show where barely any depth exists?

>>15083956
But it did show it, just about everything that Coral did on Mars was a show of corruption and lawlessness.

>>15083971
I think it's like the third time I've brought it up? Never made the gay chicken point.
Or ever tried to refute that gay chicken is gay as fuck.
Your brother sitting on your lap, even if he's gay, isn't gay in my opinion.

And I've never served I've heard all sorts of horror stories from friends

>>15083983
There's plenty of depth in IBO in concept and in groundwork. It's not written about well, but the subject matter and approach is still different than what most have to offer.

Listen, I actually don't like IBO (i also hate 00 for similar reasons, but people love it here). But Merribit's reactions to Tekkadan in S1 and even Crank's brief encounter with Mikazuki in S1, where he was insistent Tekkadan was being used and Mikazuki said no one was taking advantage of him, brings up more interesting concept on agency than anything many other gundams with incredibly young pilots have done (i say many other* and not all because there are gundams that obviously still did this and had good writing to go along with it).

>>15083815

They're 'surviving' and a lot more besides at the moment.

Your message would have more of a point if the show actually depicted Tekkadan as downtrodden underdogs on a regular basis.

>>15083983
If you don't look for it you will surely find none.

>>15083991
But it was just Coral. Why did the freaking entire organization have to be corrupt along with him? Of course, when you have a large organization, you'll have some members who will abuse their position, but freaking everyone of relevance? That's ridiculously simple and naive.

Also, this has nothing to do with Teiwaz and how they're supposed to be any different.

>>15084006

If there were anything to look for, I'd surely find it.

>>15084007
Coral was Gjallarhorn's representative on Mars effectively in power. Corruption goes top to bottom. Another one was Orlis who was an obvious sociopath.

>>15084005
Haha, what? These guys were getting scraps in comparison to the first group and were regularly beaten for the smallest transgressions, they were used as cannon fodder, and there were no repercussions for their deaths. Most can't read, had no education, had no job opportunities elsewhere, had a surgery forced on them without anesthesia or consent, and many were even the result of human trafficking.

How are they not downtrodden? They staged a coup, succeeded, and now are surviving on their own terms. Do we need to see them constantly beaten or have them constantly remember being beaten and have sad flashbacks to remind you that their lives absolutely sucked until the end of S1? And that there are still many in their world who are just chilling and having normal lives while they have to work in a PMC after suffering great losses, to try and die for a cause at a young age? I really don't understand how they were not downtrodden. Sure, with Mikazuki, they are no longer underdogs, but it's fine that they're empowered now with their own financial autonomy and reputation. In fact, the desperate need to not go back to where they were before is what drives them.

>>15084007
Everyone is corrupt in that they will always act self servingly
Look at the lack of synergy between different government agencies, they all have their own agendas and in all likelyhood serve themselves before America.
You can see this in almost all of Gjallahorn even selfless individuals like Ein and Julieta are fighting for the honor of their faction rather then the entire body of Gjallahorn itself.

>>15084017
Rather he was in a position away from the eyes of the home branch in which he knew he'd knew he'd only be checked on at certain intervals. Easy to think how he thought he could get away with stuff.

>>15084026
Yeah, but in a story, you'd actually want to clearly depict the pros and cons of the organization lest you leave your viewer apathetic.

>>15084020
>Haha, what? These guys were getting scraps in comparison to the first group and were regularly beaten for the smallest transgressions, they were used as cannon fodder, and there were no repercussions for their deaths. Most can't read, had no education, had no job opportunities elsewhere, had a surgery forced on them without anesthesia or consent, and many were even the result of human trafficking.


And this - what was seen of it, anyway - lasted for all of a single episode before almost everybody involved in their generically evil mistreatment got summarily executed.

I'm sure aspects like not being able to read and likely not being able to function in society outside of staying in the fight or working in labor would have more weight to them if the show bothered to dwell on such problems for more than a heartbeat.

>How are they not downtrodden? They staged a coup, succeeded, and now are surviving on their own terms. Do we need to see them constantly beaten or have them constantly remember being beaten and have sad flashbacks to remind you that their lives absolutely sucked until the end of S1? And that there are still many in their world who are just chilling and having normal lives while they have to work in a PMC after suffering great losses, to try and die for a cause at a young age?

Because the show itself has shown Tekkadan to be the hottest shit on the block. They win their battles constantly, they suffer no setbacks and encounter barely any obstacles, and the narrative propels them towards final victory with the ease with which one would swat a housefly. Ever since they got Barbatos their lives have been nothing but fucking fantastic by comparison and they've hit almost no roadblocks on the path to success.

They killed their former superiors, they have three fucking Gundams, the core members of Tekkadan are making at least 6 digits a year regardless of them not knowing how to spend money, and much more besides. More afterwards.

>>15084029
Gjallarhorn killed about 150 children in the very first episode, I'd think it got the message across.

>>15084020
>>15084034

They have connections with the most powerful mafia in the system, they have connections with one of the most powerful representatives of Gjallarhorn, and nearly every single foe who has stood in their way has either been a witless string-puller or an incompetent imbecile.

The show desperately -wants- its viewers to believe that Tekkadan are the underdogs, but they've had it so fucking good ever since they left Mars that any attempt to do so falls flat, and given the show's track record I am tempted to believe that the upcoming drama with Teiwaz won't change a thing.

>>15084034
They're also dying at a prodigious rate.

It's not all sun and roses. Tekkadan keeps winning because their opponents are incompetent; CGS, the Brewers, and Gjallahorn were all fat and lazy and even still they're barely alive surviving by insane gambits and sheer luck.

Tekkadan gets by because they're professionals in a bullshit world where nobody was expected to put up a real fight.

>>15084081
>They're also dying at a prodigious rate.

Well, if you wish to be technical and count Aston, yeah. The rate is truly 'prodigious'.

>>15084034
>And this - what was seen of it, anyway - lasted for all of a single episode before almost everybody involved in their generically evil mistreatment got summarily executed.

They executed two and let the rest go.

What do you mean "generically evil mitreatment"? I'm from a muslimshit country and it's not generically evil, there are people that really do exploit child soldiers and child labor, take advantage of the fact that children have no protection, especially orphans that do not belong to the state or legal guardianship. Do you think that people who are exploiting children should be depicted as super nice guys who care about their families and are "human" deep down or whatever? Pretty sure that still makes people scum.

Them not being able to read is consistently brought up, it's just a tiny thing that doesn't need to have big dramatic angsty scenes about it. But it constantly reminds you of their low basic skills, Mika even had to count on his fingers to understand "1/4"

As for the rest of your rant, I said that Tekkadan were downtrodden, but that they were not underdogs because of Mikazuki since Barbatos came into play. So I'm not arguing they are underdogs. I don't think they are at all. Tekkadan is fighting to never be the underdog again.

>>15084086
Look at their gravestone, look at the fact that they are now down to 200-300 members and lost 100 in the last season alone. Aston was the only named character that died, but they lost more units of the earth branch. This is why they aren't really recruiting or hiring new people anyway. They aren't losing characters we give a shit about, sure, but it's a fact that they've had huge losses. The original Gjallarhorn attack alone killed hundreds.

>>15084086
They lost a bunch of people, they just weren't main characters. They still lost comrades, family.

>>15084034
>I'm sure aspects like not being able to read and likely not being able to function in society outside of staying in the fight or working in labor would have more weight to them if the show bothered to dwell on such problems for more than a heartbeat.
So what you're asking for IBO to do is to spoonfeed the audience exposition at every chance it gets? Wasn't Kudelia agonizing over their lack of education and then trying to make up for it by teaching them to read in S1, Norba not knowing what to even do with with his first proper paycheck and Kudelia agonizing over their lack of any real education after helping Mika manage his finances in season 2 not enough?

If you paid any attention during S1 you'd remember that a big part of the plot was that Galahorn had grown corrupt and ineffective after the calamity war. This is the reason McGillis still wants to reform the organization. The other groups they've fought with and won have been other groups with similarly unprofessional backgrounds (pirates and an upstart army).

I hope Kudelia pulls a merina and randomly starts singing about world piece which somehow transends reality

>>15084091
>What do you mean "generically evil mitreatment"?

I admire your quest to give depth to a show that's about as deep as a urinal, but we're talking about a fictional environment, and with regards to that fictional environment I am chiefly referring to the stance the show took right out the gate, which is 'almost every single adult who opposes Tekkadan is so comically evil that Snidely Whiplash would be impressed'.

And as much as I appreciate you referring to a real-life example, the situation you bring up is infinitely more complex, partly because it's reality, and partly because the show doesn't give a shit because it's just interested in throwing out generic villains for Tekkadan to brutally murder, like they do with anyone who gets in their way.

>>15084097
Man, you got it wrong. Tekkadan have 200-300 members now whereas last season they only had 100. The tombstone has what, 50 names on it? That puts somewhere between 1/4 to 1/6 as survivors from last season, meaning the vast majority of the organization are new recruits. Most of these are still children.

>>15084113

I'm asking the show to give a shit, there's a profound difference, I feel.

>If you paid any attention during S1 you'd remember that a big part of the plot was that Galahorn had grown corrupt and ineffective after the calamity war.

And you're fine with this lazy excuse, and Tekkadan coasting their way to success with an absolute minimum of toil and blood all the way up to Edmonton?

>>15084097
>>15084099

Oh wow, I feel so bad for them. The specters of the nameless multitudes who fought and died for them will linger forever in my memory.

If you have to resort to carving names of unseen nobodies on a gravestone to make it seem like a group has suffered palpable loss on the road to freedom, that doesn't really work.

>>15084119
هل تتكلمين/تتكلم العربية؟. Well, in comparison to my own reality, I found a way to relate to these characters and identify the types of adults in their lives with ease that reflects my own. The show does have depth, depth doesn't mean something is executed or written well. Give Gundam 00 which everyone thinks is amazing, it has a lot of depth but is written very stupidly in a political sense. Same with Gundam unicorn, which is convoluted and has a lot of depth, but stupid writing.

The adults are not comically evil. This conversation has been had before. Gaelio, Julietta, Rustal, Ein, Crank, none were comically evil. McGillis might not even be comically evil. Carta was just comical, but not evil.

>>15083963
To be fair, Kudelia knows she's a hypocrite and does care about the well being of Mars and Tekkedan.She does not have a better way to improve things for everyone.

>>15084132
I'm not arguing that they've executed it in a way that makes you care or feel bad for Tekkadan. I'm just arguing that you're factually wrong, as far as in universe goes.

>>15084120
You're right, I forgot this ""Apparently tekkadan is at around 200-300 people right now vs. when they first dropped on earth at only ~100 and suffering further losses."

>>15084134

And your list omits a few crucial names, names of those who -were- comically evil. Maruba, the leader of the first group, Kudal, Coral, Radice, even Carta to an extent, though she was more stupid than malicious.

>>15084143

And the entire issue with that is that despite that it never feels like Tekkadan ever lose anything. You can put as many names on a memorial as you want, that won't change a damn thing.

Sure, they lost the Earth branch. Shame that that didn't matter at all in the end.

>>15084150
Yes, I omitted them for a reason. I should have said adults are not all* comically evil, sorry, I'm not that good at english. I feel my point is getting lost because I am not trying to say this has good writing, or that those who oppose Tekkadan should not be given more depth, or even that Tekkadan are underdogs because i am frustrated by how easily they win everything. I am just arguing against certain technicalities that I feel people simplify here.

>>15084132
Who gives a shit about how you feel? You said they were coasting to victory and you were wrong.

Let's ignore the cost of losing Biscuit, Guts' brother, and Aston. I'm pretty sure Shiro and the girls were originally supposed to die too before the studio stepped in. Remember: the original concept was much darker than what we got.

>>15084166

>Who gives a shit about how you feel?

The show, supposedly.

And it doesn't make it feel any less like they won almost without trying, but then again, when the writing is so forced that their opponents are clueless morons I guess that's a natural outcome.

>I'm pretty sure Shiro and the girls were originally supposed to die too before the studio stepped in.

If only such happened, then maybe it would feel like they actually lost something on the road to victory along with trimming the fat.

I am not sure why people are so pissy about not enough characters dying when in Zeta the characters on the Protagonists side only started to drop like flies untill the last 5 episodes.
Before that the only characters that died were Blex and Roberto as far as I remember.
The same goes for 0079 the only characters that died from the white base crew were sleggar and that fat guy.
I guess there is also that woman amuro had a crush on.

>>15084166
>Remember: the original concept was much darker than what we got.
They always are, doesn't mean a shit. Original concept of Tiger & Bunny had Kotetsu fill in for both Lunatic and Maverick. So fucking what? In the end it's the end product that matters.
And that's only half truths anyway, the only thing that changes was Teiwaz not betraying Tekkadan, but it looks like it's going to happen soon.

IBO is a strange series, it plays with grey morality but never fully commits to it or the writers try to make a grey scenario into a black and white one.

>>15083914
Kudelia is Kamille

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>>15084134
>McGillis might not even be comically evil.

His assistant looks like Hitler, he advocates child marriage, he wants to live out a history book he read as a child himself and he doesn't think he betrays people when he betrays people.

He's a fucking comical lunatic of a villain. So absurd i just can't even take him seriously at this point.

His motivation and his actions have just been so contradictive until the second season and now they just seem to have dropped all pretense in not making him overtly evil and just a dick with an agenda.

>>15084243
>>15084243

NEW THREAD

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>>15084197

The grey morality made Tekkadan absolutely loathable in the first season. Second season has totally abandoned it.

It's like 00 all over again, where the influence of why the first season failed with fans in some areas to Sunrise is clearly impacting the direction of the second season.

At least in IBO's case, it's an improvement over the original.

>>15084236
I feel that the absurdity of McGillis's character is what makes him an effective villain.His character is so ridiculous but so far he's been fairly competent.All the other Char clones were losing control of the situation by this point of the season.

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>>15084244
Fuck you, there's no reason for a new thread.

>>15084236
He was forced into a child marriage and is using it politically, plus he's just being nice to the girl who has no say in it otherwise and is childishly infatuated with him. It's creepy and grooming, but not presented as comically evil, and his platform isn't actually child marriage, that was him just allaying her lack of understanding and making her happy.

Hitler-kun did nothing wrong.

>>15084178
Because it fit the narrative better.