IBO Ratings So Bad It Permanently Kills Nichigo Timeslot

Sasuga Okada

No one knows what Nichigo is
Your bad memes are bad tho

>>15038944
not my meme I just downloaded it

>>15038876
>Worst gundam just destroyed a decade long prime time anime block.
If they're really killing it because of the first anime that has trouble in the slot, then I would say they were just looking for an excuse.

>>15038974
Destiny's ratings were considered weak for the block back when it was airing, at least before Kira returned. Block has been in decline for ages, IBO just has the misfortune of being there at the wrong time.

And it really doesn't help that "Orphans are killing Nichigo" was a Japanese meme last season.

>>15039005

That article says the nichigo block started in 2008, several years after Destiny and doesn't mention Destiny as a block predecessor at all. Is that just more ANN fact checking errors or what?

>>15038892
Actually Okada hasn't had much influence in the show if I recall correctly.

>>15038974
Its been in decline for a while. If anything things like streaming are killing anime blocks all over the place. It's why most people don't bother to bring up ratings anymore. Gundam is like the only series where I see people bring them up nowadays.

>>15039006
There was a predecessor that started back in the 90's around Ultraman Tiga that lasted until 00s1. SEED itself was the first Gundam to air in this timeslot, which could play a factor in why it's ratings were so high. They revamped it into Nichigo. My bad.

>>15039005
>>15039006
Destiny aired on Saturdays.

ANN is right.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/毎日放送制作日曜夕方5時枠

>>15039015
IBO has a very dedicated group of rabid shitposters.
They put more effort in sperging about the anime than its writers put into writing it.

>>15039015

I'm kind of surprised more anime isn't going the streaming only route honestly, because paying for the block on television probably isn't worth the time and money these days. Even if people are recording it instead of live-watching, most of those people will simply skip any recorded ads so it doesn't work out monetarily. What streaming services even offer service in Japan?

>>15039015
The reason why most people don't bother with ratings much is partially because of how late-night anime has become a thing. You don't talk about ratings with those kinds of shows because their timeslot makes them inaccessible to most people. 2% is considered a big deal for one of those shows.

The problem with IBO is it's struggling in a timeslot where ratings do matter. Chibi Maruko-chan airs at the exact same time as IBO on another channel and it's one of the highest rated animated shows in Japan.

>>15038876
People would watch it if shit actually happened.

>>15039025

>They put more effort in sperging about the anime than its writers put into writing it.

That would explain why IBO threads are so dead.

>>15039015
Which brings up another issue. Do we have ratings for the streams?

>>15039036
/m/ is dead
IBO threads usually get a decent amount of activity 1-2 days after episodes on /a/

>>15039036

Not with the last two or three weeks they haven't been.

>>15039043

I don't think any streaming service discloses those do they?

>>15039060
streaming numbers are provided on youtube with # of watchers. No one knows what daisuki, CR, Hulu, Animelab, whatever streaming service# is.

so for example IBO S2 episode 1 has 416,000 views and the channel as a whole has 500,000 subscribers


But the mere fact that these streaming services PAY Sunrise (except youtube) to stream stuff as opposed to Sunrise buying a timeslot, this business model is likely paying them a lot of money internationally.

>>15038876
Please point me to the part of the article that mentions IBO's performance as reason for this change.

>>15039089
>Please point me to the part of the article that mentions IBO's performance as reason for this change.

C'mon man (or gal) get on with the program. IBO is the root cause for all the ills in the animation/broadcast industry.
IBO is shit. It's so shit its shittiness spills all over infecting tv slots etc...

>>15039072
>But the mere fact that these streaming services PAY Sunrise (except youtube) to stream stuff as opposed to Sunrise buying a timeslot, this business model is likely paying them a lot of money internationally.

Not really. A lot of studios are willing to license their works, but the money they get is less than you would think.

>>15039029
The thing is... okay, I'm going to have to go into some detail here.

Most anime, especially the late night stuff catering to otaku, make their money on BD/DVD sales. On bigger hits there is the merchandise, but for the most part it's the video. On top of that, the average show needs to sell 3-5k to cover the production costs.

Japanese companies are notoriously resistant to change and are more likely to stick with what worked before rather than taking a major chance. Streaming can possibly eat into their video sales through it's greater accessibility. Late night shows are rather niche and may be relying on fans of the source material (in the case of adaptations) to make bank with the video sales. So, the studios aren't going to dive right in.

So, streaming isn't as widespread in Japan for this reason. And streaming wouldn't help IBO all that much since it's not a late-night show, it's on a family timeslot. The ones that really make money with families watching together, buying the source material and merchandise, and is just accessible as all fuck. But even then the general consensus in Japan is that even if people were to take streaming into account, it wouldn't help IBO all that much.

The guy who was translating the sidestory was living in Japan at the time and he even put into his notes that the series "wasn't terribly popular."

>>15039017
It was a completely different day and slot, just like this upcoming 7:00am one. I don't get why some people considered both the same.

Either way, aside from IBO, this block had several recent ratings failures like My Hero Academia. I think Arslan was the last show with decent ratings there, and even so lower than some of its predecessors.

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>>15038876
>Nichigo

>>15038892
Nah, Tatsuyuki's the guilty party this time around.

>>15039156
This all makes me wonder what was considered a success back in the days of VHS and earlier

As well as how long it took them to start producing shows to look good on DVD

>>15039186
The real problem is just a complete lack of good anime.

>>15039461
According to Sunrise staff (in that interview where they said the Build Burning sold better than the G-Self), back in the day no one really cared that much about video. Shows were more about selling the toyline or promoting the source material. It wasn't until the success of Evangelion that they realized that the show itself could be an important product, shifting the direction of the industry and making video sales more important.

Thus, Eva greatly contributed in the field of making anime to cater to otaku.

>>15039186
woah hero academia was a ratings failure? yikes
thought that shit was poppin by the amount of normies that knew about it

>>15039010
You mean that it could have been worse?

>>15039544
The manga is popular and with Jump losing a bunch of their long running titles the past couple years they have been pushing anything even mildly popular to help boost its sales. So the manga is popular and gets lots of support.

The anime not so much. Its basically just an advertisement for the manga.

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>>15039537
>Thus, Eva greatly contributed in the field of making anime to cater to otaku.

>>15039529
Underrated post.

>>15039557
Only to a small extent though.

The real issue is what Miyazaki talks about: only otaku make anime, and they make anime for otaku, not a general audience. It's like some reverse market strategy where you only target smaller and smaller niches, charging greater and greater prices, like in Western video games where they target minorities and gays hoping they'll spend more money on their "progressive" games instead of targeting a broader general audience.

>>15039602
>people who are passionate about an artistic industry are the only people who decide to work in it despite how awful and shitty it is to work in that kind of industry
WHAT A SURPRISE

>>15039611
>anime
>artistic

please, anyone who considered themselves a serious artist has either already left the anime industry or is a already dead

>>15039186
>this block had several recent ratings failures like My Hero Academia
It's average was a 2.45 which was higher than IBO S1 and everything else this year, Arslan S2 (2.17) Nanatsu no Tazai special (2.00). That's OK ratings wise all things considered with basically everything dropping in ratings across the board. The block has essentially been dropping in ratings for the past few years and even taken into account that it was a successor block it never managed to reach the same highs as the Saturday afternoon block with Gundam 00S2 having the highest ratings (4%) and I believe Star Driver having the lowest (1.83%)

>>15039602
>only otaku make anime, and they make anime for otaku, not a general audience.

You mean the audience that eats up trendy shit like Yo-kai watch and Pokemon? Or do you mean shounen anime like Naruto, which is extremely popular mainly with kids and teens and not just Otaku. "General audiences" means commercialism, and commercialism is the one thing Miyazaki hates more than Otaku. What he wants is more artistic anime made by creative individuals, not a series or franchise.

Unfortunately, that doesn't sell. And there would be no industry if that were to happen.

>>15039529
You do realize that highest rated show on that block was 00 S2 right?

>>15039602
The reason the industry is heavily staffed by otaku is because working in anime is an objectively terrible career field. Unless you are well known and popular you basically make very little money without much room for advancement along with long hours and rushed schedules. If you are a VA or animator you pretty much have to get a side job or be supported by family because of how little you make. Not to mention most of these jobs are located in cities with high costs of living.

So as a result its mostly people who really like anime that end up in the positions because they are the only ones who put up with it.

>>15039611
If they really wanted to make good anime and not work in shitty conditions they could. They just refuse to.

>>15039649
>They just refuse to.

Define "they". Cause let me tell you, the guys who actually make the anime aren't the ones profiting from it.

>>15039637
>What he wants is more artistic anime made by creative individuals, not a series or franchise. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell. And there would be no industry if that were to happen.

Miyazaki and Ghibli fucking prove that it does sell.

>>15039186
My Hero Academia wasn't a failure though

>>15039649
Do you think people can just improve their working conditions by sheer force of will?

>>15039638
And? 00 S2 was a shit season held up entirely by the fact that it was much less complex and interesting, therefore it was easy for mindless Japanese to consume it.

>>15039104
It does have the advantage of a VERY broad reach internationally and is more efficient than the previous DVD model they had before. Streaming services pay the producer for the show and handles the distribution. Digital streaming services have very low overhead so most of the money goes towards buying new shows.

The producer really just needs to worry about the content and the merchandising and lets face it the merchandise is a flat out cash grab.

>>15039653
Ghibli is not part of the anime industry you idiot. And all their movies other than the ones by Miyazaki sell like shit.

>>15039644
Sounds just like the videogame industry except

>Little money
This is entirely because they refuse to found indie studios that innovate with income streams, like streaming, online merchandise, etc. They don't have to be stuck selling their series to production committees and sponsors, but they're too stupid to embrace the alternative.

>High cost of living
LITERALLY 2016! They could work anywhere and just do it all digitally.

Or even move out of the goddamn country and import it back.

>>15039653
Great.

Name someone else as successful as Miyazaki then.

>>15039667
But the actual animators and VAs have no control over that. Everyone knows it's because Japan's work culture is shit.

>>15039663
And? That just proves Miyazaki's even more right. Their other movies were what, Earthsea, Borrowers, and more licensed adaptations right?

>>15039674
>But the actual animators and VAs have no control over that. Everyone knows it's because Japan's work culture is shit.
Which is why they could just leave and found their own companies. Stop working for shitty employers and go off on your own. You don't even need a goddamn union.

>>15039682
>Which is why they could just leave and found their own companies
How naive are you?

>>15039677
>That just proves Miyazaki's even more right.

It doesn't, because Miyazaki is the exception to the norm. No one else has ever made an artistic anime movie that has sold better than his. The only that has succeeded was Your Name, and anyone who thinks there's any artistry in that is an idiot.

>Their other movies were what, Earthsea, Borrowers, and more licensed adaptations right?

What does that have to do with anything? Many of Miyazaki's movies are adaptations.

>>15039682

> people who make no money and are often still learning the trade should found their own companies
> because, as we all know, companies are founded using dreams and not money
> and everyone will of course immediately recognise and use this new company giving it immediate profits and not leave the founders in an even worse position most of the time

>>15039677
Fuck no Miyazaki is a talentless hack who should've stayed retired

>>15039005
I was watching dubbed Destiny on Comcast in 2006. If Nichigo is only a decade old, Destiny wasn't a part of it.

>>15039682
>People with no money, investor connections, or experience running an anime studio should go found there own studio.

That's not how things work in the real world. The closest I can think of to that situation was studio trigger and that was primarily done by people with a lot of experiance and connections and even then they suffered financially for it.

>>15039060
They drove everyone away, but forgot that this board is made up of mostly gunota and the 2 or 3 tokusatsu guys who samefag their threads.

>>15038876
>Worst gundam just destroyed a decade long prime time anime block.

Did you even read the article? It was a time slot for a single program. It was not an "anime block". They are creating a one hour block to replace it with. IBO just doubled the amount of anime those stations air.

>>15039005
>Destiny's ratings were considered weak for the block back when it was airin
It wasn't on Nichigo because it didn't exist back then.

>>15039658
What do you think Organizing does? It is the workers' will vs managments'. But Jap workers are pussies when it comes to their working conditions so it will never happen.

>>15039602
>like in Western video games where they target minorities and gays hoping they'll spend more money on their "progressive" games instead of targeting a broader general audience.
Everything else you said is correct, but this is just an extension of the Blue Ocean strategy, wherein instead of targeting just white preteen/early teen boys as in the late 90s, companies reach out to previously under-served demographics and attempt to bring them into the subculture. It started with the Xbox targeting "mature" audiences (read: normie teenagers, using what normie teenagers were into at the time, which was by-and-large street culture), followed by Nintendo's Wii and DS targeting to "everyone" (read: your mom). They've saturated those markets and everyone who was going to get involved from those pushes are in, so now they're going after demos that feel jilted by the prior two eras, which is largely PoC, queers, and women. Once that's done, they'll start going after kids again, since that market seems to have been abandoned to some extent. It's a natural cycle.

What's happening in anime isn't the natural cycle of a sustainable industry; it's what happens when everything is about to cave in (see: the game industry collapse of 1983).

>>15039670
Satoshi Kon was a critical darling and Hosoda's movies seem to do well. Also that guy who did Voices from a Distant Star and Your Name.

>>15039649
>If they really wanted to make good anime and not work in shitty conditions they could. They just refuse to.

You could have made a good post. You just refused to.

>>15039658
http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2057355_2252184,00.html

>>15039741
>Satoshi Kon was a critical darling

Doesn't mean shit if it doesn't sell.

>Hosoda's movies seem to do well.

No better than Otaku movies like the Rebuilds.

>Also that guy who did Voices from a Distant Star and Your Name.

Only one of his movies that sold well is Your Name, and it's as generic as you can get, elevated entirely by its animation quality and empty hollow characters with "feels", all combined with a popular Japanese boyband to go with it. There was no artistry to speak of.

>>15038876
nice shitposting ANNfag
retarded weebshits and his beloved ANN website with its retarded tendentious reviews

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>>15039755
>elevated entirely by its animation quality
>no artistry

>timeslot
>ratings
Get ye back to the 20th Century from whence ye came. You think the fact that people aren't tuning in at a preordained time to watch a show they can stream anytime, anywhere at their convenience means anything?
You think Sunrise cares about an open broadcast slot as much as they care about streams that earn them money for every single view? You think the broadcast ratings mean anything at all as long as the gunpla are selling?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above, hit your dick with a hammer (once for each "yes" answer).

>>15039771
This just in, Avatar is an artistic movie because it has the best special effects ever.

>>15039792
I'm not sure why you'd state the obvious but okay.

>>15039800
t. George Lucas

>>15039792

It is actually, because Cameron spent ages getting the technology just right and making the movie look good. It might not be good art, but it's certainly art regardless.

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New /m/echa faggots are so retard

>>15039776
Why don't you actually try reading the thread anon?

>>15039803
Please, tell me what bizarre reality you live in where Transformers and Avatar are shown in arthouse cinemas.

>>15039802
Don't meme me, you brute!

>>15039811

Please, tell me what bizarre reality you live in where being shown in an arthouse cinema is the definition of artistic.

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>>15039820
(you)

>>15039811
Just because something isn't high art doesn't mean it's not art. Artistry is not limited to the things that give media studies PhDs a boner.

>>15039821
I think >>15039820 wins this round.

>>15039820
You could use that excuse for any generic schlock movie or anime and it you would still be wrong every time.

>>15039823
>Artistry is not limited to the things that give media studies PhDs a boner.

No, but arguing that a movie literally designed by marketing executives from the ground up has "artistic merit" is dumb in any context.

>>15039829

That's like arguing that the Mona Lisa, or really any classic art is not art because it was commissioned and the artist often worked from guidelines as to what to create so that it would fit his commissioners desires.

>>15039834
>Avatar and Transformers are the same as Mona Lisa

No, you're an idiot.

>>15039807

Wow now this is legitimate butthurt seems that the Zetarager and Gundamrager accomplished their mission.

>>15039847

> arguing that the same principle applies to all works is the same as arguing that all works of art are equal

>>15039829
>No, but arguing that a movie literally designed by marketing executives from the ground up has "artistic merit" is dumb in any context.
That's a very cynical (not to mention inaccurate) appraisal of the work that went into Avatar. I'm about 99.999% sure that it wasn't some marketing executive that designed the dozens of unique plants, animals, landscapes, and machines that were found in the movie. It took a small army of artists to do all of that, and your snide and sophomoric dismissal of their accomplishments says more about your ignorance than the artistry of the film they contributed to. Sit down.

>>15039861
It's not the same principal, and it doesn't make your comparison any less stupid.

>>15039920
You could say the same thing about the Bayformers, and how much time and effort ILM put into their designs and how carefully Bay coordinated all the explosions and car chases and all the other extremely complex set pieces.

But does it make it an artistic movie? Fuck no. It's popcorn entertainment. Popcorn entertainment has no message or substance. Your Name is popcorn entertainment.

>>15039717
>even then they suffered financially for it.

They did okay off of Kickstarter. What they really need to do is pack up and leave Japan.

>>15039936

Actually, it is the same principle. The artists involved were given oversight and paid to make their work. Just because you don't like one doesn't make it a different principle.

>>15039942
>The artists involved were given oversight and paid to make their work.

That was by a single individual request for their personal preferences, not by an army of rich billionaire executives breathing down a director's shoulders to make a movie appeal to as wide of a target audience as possible, and then demanding reshoots when things don't test well with the focus group.

When the director has nothing left but to please everybody, the movie loses all artistic credibility. Art is about expressing yourself. If your voice isn't heard, what's the point?

>>15039936
>You could say the same thing about the Bayformers
I do.
>But does it make it an artistic movie?
If you have interest at all in special effects and mechanical design, they're a joy to watch. Not everyone has to like the things you like for the reasons you like them. There is such a thing as a bad film, where everything that is attempted fails to meet the scope and degree of its intention, but none of the ones you've mentioned are bad films. They have crucial flaws, not fatal ones.

>>15039156
>So, streaming isn't as widespread in Japan for this reason.

Have you seen the Bandai Channel site anytime in the couple years? You say it's not widespread but they're certainly trying to make it so.

They stream the majority of shows each season including those that aren't affiliated with Bandai. They have a little over 3,000 shows on their service... compare that to CR who has around 700 shows.

>>15039950
>I do.

Thank god you aren't in charge of Cannes.

>If you have interest at all in special effects and mechanical design, they're a joy to watch.

When a movie's only reason to exist is to showcase SFX, it has nothing of value to offer.

>>15039537
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the existence of OVAs

>>15039946

> If your voice isn't heard, what's the point?

Who says their voice isn't heard? You? Because you assume that the director had no say in the final product and that everything they wanted to say was vetoed or cut by committee? With not a shred or proof? Just because some stuff was cut or reshot doesn't mean they have no say in the final product.

And in the case of Avatar it's even less of an argument, because Cameron had no oversight but his own. He made a lot of changes over time, but he did them to please himself, not a committee. So why is his not artistic?

>trying to dictate what is and isn't art
Are we really still doing this?

>>15039972
>Who says their voice isn't heard? You? Because you assume that the director had no say in the final product and that everything they wanted to say was vetoed or cut by committee? With not a shred or proof? Just because some stuff was cut or reshot doesn't mean they have no say in the final product.

It doesn't matter how much say they had, what was said by the movie itself is often not the director's original vision, especially big-budget blockbusters. An artistic movie has to have the guiding vision of a single individual, not the marketing planning of the producers. Just look at all those recent DC movies that were edited and reshot to hell and back. Nevermind the quality of the movies, none of the directors were happy with the final product of the meddling. It doesn't follow their vision. Therefore, it is no longer artistically valid.

>And in the case of Avatar it's even less of an argument, because Cameron had no oversight but his own. He made a lot of changes over time, but he did them to please himself, not a committee. So why is his not artistic?

SFX is not art. It is technology. It's a product of it's time. Art is timeless.

Not to mention, the entire movie was made with as generic of a story as possible to appeal and pander to wide audiences. It and Transformers are the same shit- technology milestones and popcorn flicks, nothing more. No vision, just guys playing with their shiny new toys.

You sound like some butthurt Disney executive.

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>“That thing that looks like a gaming device in your hand, along with that strange stroking movement you make with your hands is by no means attractive to me, nor am I at all impressed by it. I feel a sense of revulsion for it, in fact.

>I’m sure in short time there will be an increase in people on trains making those strange masturbatory strokes. It was the same when everyone started reading manga on trains, and when it became cellphones – I’m fed up with it.”

>It may seem like I am ignoring your human rights to say this, but you can’t research any of that. Why? Because you have no way of knowing what it’s like to be on an old trireme, or having empathy with the men on board, covered in sweat as they labour at their oars.

>You go out into the world without enriching your imagination. You are merely grasping the iWhatever as a skimming tool you use to stroke yourself.

>I’m sure there are many people who want to become omnipotent by getting their hands on this iWhatever. I’ll tell you sir, there were once a bunch of people who wore radio cassette players (those bulky things) wherever they went in the sixties. They wore it like a priceless emblem.

>They’re mostly probably living off of pension funds now, but you and them are the same. You jump at the newest gadgets, and all you do is relish the pride in owning one as some consumer.

>You must not become a consumer. You must become someone that creates.”

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/07/13/miyazaki-ipad-users-nothing-but-chronic-masturbators/

>>15039988
>SFX is not art. It is technology. It's a product of it's time. Art is timeless.
That is some top tier whining

>>15039995
>all this talking

>>15040007
Does anyone even remember Avatar nowadays other than "that Pocahontas movie with the forced 3D and weird blue CGI ass"?

There's your answer on the artistic merit of Avatar.

>>15039995
Miyazaki is a dumbass.

>>15040012
>art has to be remembered

>>15040012
yes

>>15039988
Painting with a brush on one of your "canvases" isn't art. True artisans only paint with their fingers on cave walls.

>>15040024
If you look hard enough that shit you took this morning can be art.

>>15039988

> It doesn't matter how much say they had

Not now that it's no longer suiting your argument it doesn't.

> what was said by the movie itself is often not the director's original vision

And even in Hollywood, it often does.

> An artistic movie has to have the guiding vision of a single individual

That's not actually the meaning of artistic, but I doubt that'll matter to you.

> Just look at all those recent DC movies that were edited and reshot to hell and back. Nevermind the quality of the movies, none of the directors were happy with the final product of the meddling. It doesn't follow their vision.

Actually, several of the directors have publicly proclaimed that their DC movies are their vision of them. Which, I'm guessing doesn't matter, since you know that's just them saying what they have to and not what they feel. Never mind that you don't actually know that.

> SFX is not art

It is actually.

> Art is timeless

So is SFX. Just because you (or many) don't like the look of older SFX doesn't mean everyone does. There are plenty of people who love black and white effects. Or practical toku effects. Or even early CG/CGI stuff.

> the entire movie was made with as generic of a story as possible to appeal and pander to wide audiences

Even if that were the actual reason, and it's probably not, so what? The story isn't the movie and the rest of the production counts.

>>15040012

> if someone doesn't remember it it's no longer art

Oh, so we're going with yet another definition of art. Does that mean that most all artistic endeavors created in ancient Greece or Rome are not in fact art, since most of them are entirely forgotten and actually lost, rather than just no longer culturally hot?

>>15040050

That doesn't actually answer the question. It does avoid it though I suppose.

>>15039619
t./co/mblrite.

I think Gundam really really needs to take a break and be put on hiatus for a few years after IBO ends.

>>15042007
No, it needs a much better entry to get the taste out of our mouths and properly bitch smack normies that fell under IBO's stench

>>15039663
>Ghibli is not part of the anime industry you idiot.
what

>>15042007

I really don't see the point of this to be honest. Say you give it 5 years, 10 if you want - the longer you leave it, the greater the expectation on the next series. And it's not going to live up to those expectations. Nothing ever does.

And it's not like it'll ultimately make a difference anyways. Sunrise will just push out a new mecha show with a new name and only the minorest of differences regardless. So you'll get 5 years of no Gundam. But a new show called Cannonwall or Riflebarrier every year or two until it returns with just one more show that's really no better or worse because putting a gap in the production schedule doesn't automatically make the production better.

>>15042007
>I think Gundam really really needs to take a break and be put on hiatus for a few years after IBO ends.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Sunrise has to milk all those old farts that continue to cling to the UC.
Don't worry there will be no hiatus in the Gundam franchise. After IBO I think they'll go into a more Age-y/Build Fighters route to entice kids. IBO is just shit all around. Shit characters, shit main character, shit story, shit secondary characters. Even shit mecha, shit animation, shit music. It's just a fucking total waste of resources.

>>15042748
They should try another "standard" Gundam series like SEED or the original.

Civilian teen involved in conflict between two factions, stumbles on mobile suit, eventually becomes ace pilot, etc.

I guess Age was kind of like that, but it never had a chance due to various factors and definitely wasn't seen as a return to traditional Gundam when it came out.

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>>15038876
I beg to differ fucker

>>15042759

Yeah, because that's what Gundam needs as a pick-me-up, the same fucking thing that happens in almost every other iteration of the franchise.

>>15042761
looks like something that occurs with every anime on a stream site

>>15042776

Like I said above, aside from Age, we haven't had an AU using that standard premise since SEED. It has been more than a decade now.

It's odd to avoid Gundam's basic premise and setting for so long when they keep making shows.

>>15042842

I dunno, maybe they keep avoiding it because even though Japanese executives are hilariously resistant to the idea of change, they've finally decided to ramp their premises up a bit?

Every single UC animated installment ever made, with the exceptions of CCA by virtue of it being a continuation of past events and possibly V by virtue of Uso being trained as a mobile suit pilot and being part of a resistance force, retreads the same tired set-up from Zeta to Unicorn. Hell, that seems to be the only set-up animated UC is capable of most of the time, whereas the only AU that started off in a similar fashion was SEED.

So they have run this series quickly by double the airing of this garbage.

>>15039964
>When a movie's only reason to exist is to showcase SFX, it has nothing of value to offer.
Except the pretty pictures.

If the only thing you're concerned about is the story, go read a book.

>>15042761
Years of seeing shit being spewed on 4chan must have made me retarded.

Can someone help me read the graph?

>>15038892
Not their fault

>>15043590
IBO is doing great. Rapidly on-boarding new viewers still, in fact. In short: prepare for PD to become the new UC.

>>15046396
>Anime Suki believes this
Go back to your safe space

>>15038876
It's getting better

>>15042761
i have no idea what any of tht means
what is AL? what is K? is this the new world order?

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>>15039995
>sankakucomplex
Couldn't you find a better source?

>>15046407
As we all know, /m/ is a different kind of safe place.

>>15048341
the good kind

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>>15048406
The shitposting kind for autists. Yep. Much improvement there.

Now guys look, come on.

There is no way it could be just IBO that killed the time slot.

There could be a million other things that killed the time slot.

You don't even speak Japanese.

>>15048477
I know. It's just somebody trolling and venting their IBO hate. Nobody here even cares for some dumb timeslots on the Japanese TV. It's not like less mecha anime will be made because of it or something.

>>15048492
>pointing out legit problems is trolling
Oh here we go

>>15048477
Its a shitposter. He's been making these threads on /a/ too

>>15048495
saying IBO has pacing issues and the stakes don't seem that high since tekkadan people seem to be rotected by plot armor that can only removed with 1-2 episodes of flashbacks or death flags is point out legit problems
saying "IBO TOTES KILLED THE MOST POPULAR TV SLOT EVER" is trolling

>>15042759

Frankly at this point I want to see a science-fiction mecha show that isn't fucking Gundam. People used to make these things. Nowadays it's all Gundam Gundam Gundam. Fuck that, we need variety in mecha anime. I'd love to see a whacky mecha anime the like of Xabungle.

>>15048535
>saying "IBO TOTES KILLED THE MOST POPULAR TV SLOT EVER" is trolling
Except it isn't and the facts just concluded it

>>15048536
we had kuromukuro last season
it had 3dcg mechas that looked like ass

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>>15048545
(You)

Hashmal's weak beams were the final nail in the coffin

>>15048545
>I can read Japanese guys I swear
Nobody believes you.

>>15048627
They're actually such powerful beams that they were able to break through the fourth wall and shoot the timeslot. You just can't see that part of the beam because it's outside the show.

>>15048639
prove it

>>15048536

That's hyperbole. There's been plenty of mecha show these last few years. They've just been bad is the problem.

>>15048627

>Oh shit ancient mobile armor has awoken guys!
>Now the stakes are totally high!

Then said armor rides slowly through a canyon for a whole episode while letting people shoot at it and failing to kill the retards who strayed away from the pack.

I mean jesus would it kill them to add some actual tension to the show?

>>15039544
Keep in mind ratings as in people who watched it on Japanese television. That has absolutely zip to do with the West.

>>15039653
>Miyazaki and Ghibli fucking prove that it does sell.
Miyazaki and Ghibli are decades old big names. You're an idiot.

>>15039755
>elevated entirely by its animation quality and empty hollow characters with "feels", all combined with a popular Japanese boyband to go with it. There was no artistry to speak of.
No better than fucking Ponyo and the Wind Rises.

>>15042610
They don't make TV anime and have their own separate staff with actual wages.

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>>15048663
Some were good.

>>15048722
yeah, MS3 is much better then Evangelion shit

>>15049999
>Insert "nothing written by Okada is good" post.

>>15040927
It's true of the entire animation industry. Big western houses just produce family-friendly shlock, most seasonal anime is commercials for LNs or toys, Ghibli's been irrelevant for well over a decade and no signs of recovering.

It's not surprising. Story-telling aside, animation is a dying art-form because so few older-timers actually mentored the new bloods, so you just have an entire generation of kids who were never taught how to animate by the masters. It's a somewhat well document problem in the west, where hand drawn animation is basically dead, but it's happening in Japan and there will be a sharp decline in the next few decades. Hopefully those koreans know what they're doing.

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>>15048663
wrong

okay folks, Christmas is tomorrow, how will IBO fuck it up? Take bets!

>>15048668
Does tension even exist in any show anymore? Or are the writers and studios too afraid of the viewers having ADHD?

>>15051488
> Mika soloes the MA in five seconds flat
> absolutely nothing bad happens to Tekkadan
> 15minutes of talking
> Atra suddenly starts the Mikabowl

>>15050057
>Hopefully those koreans know what they're doing.
No kidding. Those folks used to just rip off other people's stuff, they'll have a huge burden on their shoulders at this rate.

>>15039186
>It was a completely different day and slot, just like this upcoming 7:00am one. I don't get why some people considered both the same.

Because they were both essentially the same thing - high budget shows aimed at the mainstream paired with the latest hot musical artists from Sony Japan.

>>15039544
ratings failure for the time slot
it had around 2.5 average iirc
IBO has... 1.8?

>>15051563
Gundam uc has worse ratings

>>15051563
>ratings failure for the time slot
The highest rated show on that slot was Gundam 00 S2 with a 4% average. Its not a highly rated timeslot to begin with

>>15051592
i'm just regurgitating shit i read on /m/ and /a/
i probabably shouldn't

>>15051488
constant fucking talking

>>15051488

> a show I don't even like will ruin my day

>>15051549
Then Anisata is going to be essentially the same thing and nothing has changed.

>>15051773
Not necessarily, no. If it has highly anticipated shows with big musical acts doing the OP/ED then maybe, but otherwise it's just new block.

>>15051582
It also aired at 7 AM.

>>15051511
i was fucking right 4/4
jesus christ

>>15039602
This is true. Compare the amount of anime that take influences from things. outside anime. Used to pretty common but now every anime is 100% inspired by other anime. Its all very incestuous.
Thats why we're here on /m/ after all. Tomino loves western sci fi novels.

>>15039937
>What they really need to do is pack up and leave Japan.
I predict this is the only way anime can save itself in the long run. Let rich western weebs give the Japanese animators better hours and pay and tell them they can draw more than just kawaii waifus and shonen self inserts again. Make anime a story-telling medium again instead of an escapism device.