What does /m/ think about Captain Harlock?

Lazy Matsumoto

>>15019380
lazy matumuto indeed.
but hey, it's a space pirate. it's just like a pirate, but cooler.

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He's a god

>>15019380
Captain Harlock

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Pretty cool guy.

>>15019380
Gurren Lagann reference?

>>15022102
Reference?
Noob, Harlock has been around for a lot longer than Gurren Lagann. Lurk moar.

>>15022664
yeah, wxperts say no less than five centuries.

>>15019380
Love it so far.
I've seen very little (Arcadia Of My Youth, the other anime movie from around 2006 or so, and the first two episodes of the original series.
I have the whole original series downloaded as well as the recent cgi movie but I need to finish VOTOMS and Mellowlink before I start marathoning another series or I'll never get back to it.
Unfortunately work, sleep, and a certain porn game have been eating up all my time lately...

>>15019380
Solid original series, fun character to watch, questionable spin offs.

>>15022720

Stop sleeping so much you fat fucking faggot.

The original anime is Wonderful

>>15022720
>and a certain porn game
Anon getting off should be something you do once a day or every other day quickly out of necessity. If youre making a big thing out of fapping with a game and all included then youll never shake your addiction, this comes from experience
Go play a cool /m/ related game like Fallout 2 instead.., nah actually go play Vanquish cuz Fallout has porn in it

>>15022720
good tast anon, and Harlock is my favorite Matsumoto character

>>15019380
Should i watch a show from someone that goes by the name of Lazy Matsumoto?

>>15022664
I can't believe newfags like you actually exist.

>>15023750
Why is he bad? I never watched something based on one of his works, but he seems to be pretty famous.

>>15024319
He's only famous for being the first go to sci guy. Everything he writes is the same and his manga drawings are lazy and amateurish. He can't draw action scenes to save his life. He got big because of Toei who actually made good use of his crappy looking source material.

It's downright offensive that some people thinks he's better than Tezuka, Ishinomori or even Nagai especially with the mediocre output he had.

In any case, he's a shitty third rate manga artist, and an okay writer with the ego of an elephant.

>>15024319
Stop responding to memes. He's fine. Watch his shows.

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>>15024319
>Why is he bad?

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>>15024319
He's not, Galaxy Express 999 is a fantastic manga. We just have an extremely autistic shitposter who spams the same threads over and over again with his forced meme. The guy is incapable of understanding cartoonish art styles.

>>15024423
cartoonish art is not the problem. bad lazy art is.

>>15023588
When this show was broadcast in my country, I didn't even know that Matsumoto existed

loved the manga, really until the end that just dropped.

It was pretty good manga, then I learned more about the author...

>>15019380
>inb4 Lazy spam

I haven't read the manga I'm not here to comment on it and that one anon with a hateboner for Leiji Matsumoto is one of the most pathetic things I've seen on 4chan.

With that out of the way I've been watching the Rintaro's TV series, and it's actually much better than I expected it to be. I'd heard mixed to middling thing on /m/, and while the series has it's flaws it's actually aged really well. It starts out a little shaky but once they're up in space and they start doing the character focused episodes it gets way better. Even the Mazones and Queen Lafresia have gotten development at the point I'm at. It's a pretty solid series over all. That's all I wanted to say on behalf of Harlock.
Also the CGI movie was an alright space action movie. It's kinda hard to complain about characters or continuity in a franchise that reinvents itself every entry.

>>15022720
>a certain porn game have been eating up all my time lately...
Sengoku Rance?

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>>15025249
I don't know the details of the Harlock publications, but a lot of times series were cancelled before they could be finished. We just assume that series are dropped by an author which sometimes don't make a lot of sense if they were popular because the editors and publishers would obviously demand more.

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>>15024088
Newfag?
What are you autistic?
At least I know Harlock was around before Gurren Lagunn animation studio even existed. Been on 4chan for years, if anything I'm an oldfag..... more like old fart.

>>15025540
He was calling you 'new' because you couldn't tell that the Gurren Lagann post was a joke.
Not even bait, an actual joke that just went over your head. If anything you're the autist here because you can't tell when someone is joking.

I really loved the old Arcadia of my Youth movie and waiting for L-E to sub the entire series back in 06-10 (or whenever it finished). I've been a fan for over a decade and I've even seen Matsumoto draw for hours at events around Japan, illustrating any character at the fans request. I went to Oizumi-gakuen station the first week his statues went on display there, and hopefully I'll find some time to make it over to Tsuruga to see his statues there too (though I doubt it, too far and desolate from where I live now). I collect all his works now, but I've had to settle for the bunkoban collections of his work instead of any kanzenban due to how small my apartment is. I think his manga always have terrible endings (like most mangaka of the time), but that's not the point, I suppose. With Matsumoto, it's always about the journey.

The lazy Matsumoto shitposter is terrible and should be ignored at all costs.

>>15025268
>It starts out a little shaky
Honestly, the beginning of the show made me feel like I was in a drunken haze, I had no idea what was going on, or how anything was connected. They're incredibly atmospheric, in a way that was totally unusual at the time (I think Zeta managed to copy it later, but Rintaro did it first and better). I'd say that it actually dropped a bit in quality after they got to space, because the show became a bit more episodic in a GE999 sort of way.

The CGI movie was only damnable for Harlock being so out of character, but there are so many interpretations of the character that one more doesn't hurt. It just isn't my personal Harlock.

>>15025271
No, TheKlub17.

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>>15025783
Endless Orbit was fantastic. Glad I only had to wait around 2 years unlike others waiting like a decade. Now I'm just waiting on them to finish the amazing Queen Millennia series.

I have all the English released VIZ volumes of the second GE999 manga and Queen Emeraldas Vol 1. Hope Kodansha USA does more like Miraizer Band which they have the rights to in Japan.

>>15025874
The dialogue is a weak point for me; in Japanese, most of his works are cluttered with technobabble (or at least, SF jargon that's difficult to memorize), and in English, it seems a bit basic.

I have no idea if translations are available, but his The Cockpit work (specifically manga, but the anime is good too) is a great collection of stories.

I disliked Endless Orbit due to the wait for English subs at the time. Then again, I loved Endless Odyssey, which most seem to hate.

>>15024432
>cartoonish art is not the problem. bad lazy art is.
But I enjoy them, my baby enjoys them.

>>15022102
>Gurren Lagann reference?
Jesus

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My harlock thread died fast so ill just copypaste my OP here to contribute

The Mazone were fascinating villians in a golden age sci-fi kinda way. Didn't see the zombies coming, that was really cool. I liked how they showed off all these burning corpses throughout the show.
The secret of humanities origins tieing into the Mazones claim to the planet was a pleasant if predictable twist, added depth to the whole thing. The dystopic earth reminded me of Wall-E & Idiocracy. I too, enjoy wallowing in Pessimism like Harlock, but the message I took away from the show was ultimately a rejection of that at the very end.
That ocarina music was better than Zelda, and the music in general was 10/10
This is so much better than Harlock Saga was

>>15028871
Yeah, didn't the Mazone "flag" have Maya hieroglyphics or something on it? That seems to be common with a lot of 'aliens come to lay claim to the earth' anime.

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WE ARE 138
WE ARE 138
WEEEEEE AAAAARRRREEEEEE proto-weebs

>>15019380

Captain Harlock is my personal savior.

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I only ever saw the first series.

It's entertaining for a 70 series.

I'm making a multlanguage video of the original opening, creditless (I patched together the Japanese logo from a russian rip with the rest or the opening from Live-eviL's version, which has no credits).
It has the original audio from the Live-eviL rip (6 channels version, stereo version and mono version), an instrumental version for karaoke, an 8-bit version that I found, Animetal's version, the Spanish versions from Latinamerica and Spain, the Catalan version, French version, Italian version (and I also found a karaoke version for the Italian lol), German, American and Korean version. I know, the Italian, German and American versions don't have the same length as the Japanese opening, but I went full autism mode and found the way to edit them (unfortunately I had to remove the awesome solo from the American version) so they fit very well. Same goes for Animetal's version (I repeated the drums at the beginning a few times and I repeated "inochi wa sutete ore wa ikiru" onre more time, so it's three times instead of two).
I'm planning to upload it for Christmas in filedropper or some shit like that and link it here.

>>15029108
>Italian version
please, source

>>15029245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg_UjZnjT_Q
In the version I made to fit the Japanese opening I basically removed from 0:32 to 1:07.
The Italian version is fucking awful. I don't know what's worst, if the lyrics or the kids shouting "hurrah" everywhere. That's part of the charm of those old translations, though.

>>15028890
So is mine!

>>15019380
pretty cool girl who dont afraid of anything

>>15019380
So far I've only seen Arcadia Of My Youth, which I thought was incredible.

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"Under my flag, I live in freedom"

Captain Harlock is my personal savior.

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>>15019380
Captain GARlock is literally the hero we need but don't deserve.

He's my favourite character

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He always looks like he's about to drop the hottest crunkcore demo of 2007.

>>15022057
they made the ayy way too ayy

>>15024408
It belongs in a museum.

The manga is mediocre at best and has no ending.

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"Lazy" Matsumoto? Such a bogus insult to a highly dedicated manga artist and conceptualist for anime. His artwork is repetitive?? Look at anyone's fifty years of drawing and find me ONE that ISN'T repetitive. You can't. It's called "style" and he has mastered his. He has a big ego, too? Matsumoto has had to claw his way out of obscurity to gain any recognition at all from his publishers and producers who claimed total ownership of his art and ideas, and that kind of fight makes for a tough ego. His CAPTAIN HARLOCK and GALAXY EXPRESS 999 series are as important to manga culture as anything by Tezuka or Ishinomori. Deal with it.

>>15038460
Stop talking out of your ass. Every manga series in Japan is creator-owned. No one ever made such claim except for Nishizaki regarding the Yamato franchise, which was born as an anime series and not a manga. Also, it was a group effort and Matsumoto was only a member of the staff.

And that art you posted is not his, by the way.

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Brave Goldran has a great Harlock parody.

>>15024379
>because of Toei who actually made good use of his crappy looking source material.
Nah, those god damn idiots can't animate or write their way out of a fucking plastic jar. Pretty much anything good about those Harlock animus was mostly ripped straight out of the manga... okaymaybearcadiawasokay

>In any case, he's a shitty third rate manga artist, and an okay writer with the ego of an elephant.
A lot of famous mango artists/animators can be classified as exactly that, yet for some reason the Japanese has so much shit taste they actively get famous anyways, ruining whatever potential anime has in getting closer to that of the classic western cartoons they emulate (or hell, western animation in general). I mean, Miyazaki is popular after all.

>>15038482
>Every manga series in Japan is creator-owned.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>15038677
Yes, I do. They create their own studios and companies to secure their rights over their own series. Ishinomori has Ishimori Pro, Shigeru Mizuki has Mizuki Pro, Tako Saito has Saito Pro, Mitsuteru Yokoyama has Hikari Pro, Go Nagai has Dynamic Pro, etc. All of these have the rights over all their publications. And the same goes to Lazy. That's just how Japan works. Unless Shonen Jump nowadays have some bullshit like that. I would not be surprised since Jump is a piece of shit magazine, but I still highly doubt it.

>>15039307
yeah obviously there's stuff like if you're making some random Gundam shit you don't suddenly own Gundam, but have there been high-profile things where the creator didn't own the IP?

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Harlock as a character is really entertaining as he's just a romantic pirate, nothing more or less.

Original series is solid and has plenty of charm.

Endless Odyssey was meh.

>>15025540
man are you serious?

>>15038482
Tell that to Clamp.

>>15038460
Matsumoto's output is laughable compared to other artists like Ishinomori, Tezuka or even Nagai and his poor panelling doesn't help his repetitive artwork.

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>>15039315
Tomino doesn't own Gundam the same reason Matsumoto doesn't own Yamato (well, he did for a while, but he lost the rights). When it comes to manga, those artists are the main output, they came up with everything from the very concept, to the plot, character design and art work. Anime is different, they're made by a group of people. There would be no Gundam without Sunrise, YAS, Kunio Okawara, sponsors and etc... In Yamato's case, Matsumoto worked in the setting and made rough sketches for the overall look of the show, but even those had to be polished by other artists. Like the example in the picture. He was not the main writer, nor the director or anything like that and the project was initiated by Nishizaki even before Matsumoto's involvement.

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>>15039881
In some cases, the final design barely resembles Matsumoto's original. He gave some ideas that made it up to the final project, but the same goes to pretty much everyone else involved in the production. A lot of his ideas got scrapped as well. Like Harlock was originally supposed to appear in the series as Kodai's older brother.

>>15039881
>>15039892
great designs

>>15041244
On the right, I agree.

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>What does /m/ think about Captain Harlock?

I saw it when I was very young it changed me.

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>30 years later Queen Millenia still hasn't been translated

>>15041512
Why does it take Live-eviL so long to do it? They started more than a decade ago, I believe.

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>>15041504

>>15041512
i suppose that its boring as hell has to do with the slowness in progress

>>15028871
> I too, enjoy wallowing in Pessimism like Harlock

I thought Harlock was an incredibly optimistic, he was waiting around for Humanity to become better people without forcing them because interfering like that would go against his ideals.

>>15038521

So does Megas XLR

>>15039407
>Harlock as a character is really entertaining as he's just a romantic pirate, nothing more or less.

I cannot see him as a saviour of the universe or anything of sorts, but I can see him as this obscure entity that roams somewhere between the shores of Earth and the endless expanse of the universe, constantly watching over the Earth and ready to defend his homeland. Not out of any sense of patriotism but out of a love for the spirit of Humanity, and that spirit is independant volition; the ability to seek out and follow your own dreams. Anybody who boards his ship has to follow their own dreams and not Harlock, this is is something he seems to ask everybody who wants on. One of my favourite parts of the TV series is when they're in the middle of battle and the gunner isn't on the bridge so Harlock calls his quarters to get him to come to the bridge, but he's busy making plastic toy sets tells Harlock to fuck off and Harlock is just like "oh, sorry"

>>15041512
>>15041710

It's completely TL'd, just needs the subs timed and applied to it. It'll be done eventually, we're 31/42 complete.

>>15019380
Meh

>>15019380
not /m/

a great character

Is 'Space Pirate Captain Harlock' a Good Movie?

>>15050392
6.5/10

>>15044599
Oh, so you guys do come here. Didn't know it.
In any case, sorry for being a dick, it's just that I'm waiting until it's done so I actually get into watching it. Please keep your awesome work, it's much appreciated.

>>15050392
it was good

>>15044599

I can only imagine QM's editor has been busy.

>>15051701
Probably

>>15039881
He directed and wrote scripts for the original, moron

>>15053027
No, he didn't.

>>15019380
Arcadia of my Youth is the best Harlock related work, but almost all of them have an interesting feel to them. It's very melancholic.

>>15053106
Sure, everyone should watch Harlock Saga.

>>15053106
Why is Arcadia of my Youth so good when it contradicts so much of the rest of the canon?

Also, how come in Harlock: Space Pirate, Harlock is immortal and the Arcadia runs on Dark Matter? Where did that come from?

>>15039881
>but even those had to be polished by other artists.
Yeah, that's how things go in a team production.
But saying that Matsumoto wasn't a big influence and one of the fathers of Yamato is like saying that Yoshitaka Amano isn't such a big deal when he basically created 90% of Tatsunoko's characters, or that Okawara isn't that good or important because most of his designs have been polished by other people like Obari.
>>15053106
I'd argue SSX is overall the best Harlock work in terms of quality, but Arcadia of my Youth ain't bad, it mostly comes down to which version of Harlock you prefer at the end of the day, every series tells something different.
>>15053824
>when it contradicts so much of the rest of the canon?
There is no canon in the Leijiverse, every single piece of work contradicts each other, Maetel Symphony isn't in line with GE999 (which also isn't in line with Queen Millennia), which also isn't in line with the Harlockverse despite them taking place in the same setting, Queen Emeraldas show Emeraldas getting her scar in a different way from the old TV series and there's one more Cosmo Dragoon too compared to the other works, Cosmo Warrior Zero yet again challenges the continuity and so does Gun Frontier, the CG movie, let's forget about that because there's a whole load of other stuff that simply doesn't happen in the other series, and if you want to be an asshole you can put Yamato in there since Harlock shows up in the manga.

The whole Leijiverse is basically capeshit tier when it comes to continuity, I remember some fan theories about different quantum universes and all that.

tl;dr: It ain't important.

>>15044596
When you put it like that, there's certain Nietzschean quality to the man.

>>15053862
>Quantum universes
Man, what a load of shit.
It's simple, Matsumoto doesn't care about continuity, and I don't think it's a bad thing. The important thing is that Harlock and the others remain true to themselves, that aside, if he gets his scar from a gun blast in this story or a spicy fart in that other story it's not that important.
I agree with you.

>>15044596
So how much in common could we say that Harlock and Sandokan have? I wonder if Matsumoto read Salgari in his youth.

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>>15054747
>The important thing is that Harlock and the others remain true to themselves
That's pretty much Matsumoto's shtick.

The characters are all actors that behave accordingly to the scenario they're put in to show certain facets of themselves, while the characters do not change, CG movie aside, the situations do, the fact that Harlock and the others are also portrayed in a pseudo continuity at different points of their lives serves to further illustrate that character's life and ideals and how he/she was shaped by certain events.
Sometimes it kinda works, Queen Emeraldas was great on that despite many particulars contradicting some previously established events, which are relatively minor anyway, other times it kinda blows, see Maetel Symphony which is full of arguable character cameos and retcons, especially pic related who does a 1080° turn from her canonical Queen Millennia character bein a crazyass genocidal space tyrant with no respect even for her daughters to a literal cosmic martyr, which is "fine" in a way since Queen Millennia is supposedly a different universe but it's still tremendously jarring to people who've seen the rest of Matsumoto's work and know that most characters, especially major ones, are basically set in stone.
Though Maetel Symphony blows for a lot of other reasons as well anyway so it might not be the best example.
>>15054751
>I wonder if Matsumoto read Salgari in his youth.
I doubt it, but I admit there are a few parallels.

>>15057351
Fuck off.

>>15050507
>Oh, so you guys do come here. Didn't know it.

I'm not them but I did ask them about it.

>Please keep your awesome work, it's much appreciated.

Go tell them this directly in their IRC, they really do some good work.

>>15057351
>while the characters do not change

I've found this to be completely untrue with 'newer' matsumoto works such as things that came out in the 90's, characters just seem to be 'off' in certain ways.

Why do they call him lazy matsumoto?

>>15060505
Guess.

>>15060731
Wouldn't that make most other popular Jap artists lazy hacks by the same standards?

Oh wait, they pretty much are.

>>15060505
Because he is like a god

>>15060822
Nope. he's the worst. By far.

>>15060822
God of laziness.

So why isnt this shitposter banned yet? Do the mods think this is /v/ where you can just spam non-arguements all you want?

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I remembered I had a fold for screencaps I took while watching this series some years ago.

If I were the reaction image posting type, some of these would be pretty good for asort of thing.

>>15061920
Post them all plz I too thought the show had some very screencap worthy moments unfortunately I own Harlock physically and dont have a desktop

>>15060822
Matsumoto is one of the worst manga artists of his era, not to mention he's lazy as fuck. His panelling is amateurish as fuck even for someone of his time. He has nothing on the greats like Ishimori or Tezuka.

>>15061965
Thats nice but literally no one cares
How long have you been doing this? Since Spring? Dont have you have better shit to do?

>>15061878
Here's a tip: there's more than one. And here's another: they're all right. Lazy is that bad.

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>>15019380
I prefer his indirect descendant instead.

>>15062449

Nothing alike though

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Watched this on Netflix the other day and loved everything about it. Loved the space tech, the space ships

In regards to the spammers, bear in mind /m/ is not a place you can come and expect any vocal majority to like anything that isn't j-pop casted Tokusatsu or Tomino related Gundam wank (not that there's anything necessarily wrong with either). It's a board very much experiencing the same long-term decay which we've seen ravage /a/ over the past decade as internet and millennial culture changes.

Leiji Matsumoto was every bit an idea man whose ideas sold his work far more than his skill or ability as a manga artist, that said he was still a pivotal creative force in not only shaping the anime space opera landscape, but the sci-fi genre as a whole. But many shitposters here on /m/ are driven by the modus operandai of "Let me tell you something YOU didn't know about what you like." solely as an excuse to leverage themselves as the intellectual authority of the thread with parroted arguments. Given this it's only natural that Leiji Matsumoto, a figure whose work doesn't demand recognition in most western newfag circles, would be viewed with derision by those confused by his cult popularity.

This isn't helped by the fact that later 90s born Millennials tend to feel threatened by things which they feel are too old for them to have "ownership" of. Rather than concerning themselves with actually liking something for it's own intrinsic sake, trying to understand why other people like something they have no inherent interest in or developing an appreciation for prototypical media, they see their likes and dislikes (typically formed in very much the here and now) as a direct extension of their own reality so they often childishly try to establish their opinion as an inarguable fact in any form of social discourse regarding the subject no matter how inappropriate or tenuously relevant to the discussion at hand it may be.

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>>15061958
We'll I'm not going to post all of them.

Some of these are from Corn subs before Live-eviL re-subbed it with better video.

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>>15063894
I'll only post a few. I still haven't gone through this folder to see what's worth keeping.

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>>15063903

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>>15063909

I like it.

>>15063909
People here are old and have scars that can never be cured.

Should I watch The Endless Odyssey?

>>15067665
>Unrelated image
please please, kill yourself

>>15067749
Woosh.

>>15062977
You have shit taste if you liked the movie.

>idea man
In other words, he's a hack and a lazy old fart.

All his mangas suck. They are badly written, and drawn. His work output is pathetic compared to the likes of Tezuka, Ishinomori, Yokohama and Nagai so you can't use the excuse that he didn't have time to polish his manga drawings. Story wise, they all say the same shit with the same themes. You're right, he's an idea man considering he only ever had like one idea which he milked through Toei.

It's not just the art. His panelling is just as bad, which leads to very confusing panels. Tezuka called Satoru Ozawa the worst manga artist of all time but I think Matsumoto deserves it more.

Matsumoto' big fag ego and disgusting behaviour towards other artists doesn't help either.

>>15067767
>and Nagai
lel

>>15067773
Yeah Nagai. Nagai has about 10 times the output of Matsumoto going by his bibliography. Ishinomori has even more and he won the Guinness book of record for most number of pages by a manga artist.

Matsumoto has nothing on those two. That's why he's known as Lazy Matsumoto, especially when you spend two decades barely doing anything.

The only reason Matsumoto is successful is thanks to Toei. Bless them for turning crappy source material into something watchable.

None of his mangas were hits anyway contrary to any other artists I mentioned. They just rode th Toei anime popularity.

Tezuka had Atom, Black Jack, Phoenix etc.

Yokohama had Tetsujin 28th, Sangokushi etc.

Ishinomori had Cyborg 009, Way of Ryu etc.

Nagai had Harenchi Gakuen, Devilman etc.

All of these were liked, not because of the anime adaptation.

Meanwhile, Matsumoto has Harlock and Express 999 but the actual mangas sucked, and Toei made them popular. Notice how no one ever recommends Matsumoto manga. It's because they were all done by a very lazy person.

Now you might think that he tried to improve over the decades, but no, even his latest manga in recent times still had all the hallmarks of his laziness; empty backgrounds, barely drawn characters, shitty non endings.

And that's why he's known as Lazy Matsumoto. Fellate Harlock all you want but thank Toei animators for that. They get a lot of shit these days, but they were the ones that turned shit into gold.

>>15067801
Jesus Christ, why do you CARE?
Did Matsumoto piss in your Cornflakes?

>>15067803
It would have been fine if he was just a bad manga artist who got popular through other means other than his actual abilities, but Matsumoto is an arrogant douche who goes after people because my god, two fucking lines from a song looked one of is.

>>15067811
looked like one of his*

Also, Tomino may be an arrogant douche too, and his directing skills are shaky as well, but even him has moments of self reflection where he thinks he's not as good as Miyazaki and the rest. He trashed G Reco himself, saving us from having to do so.

But Matsumoto? Oh no. Don't expect him to do that. The guy's living in his own bubble of delusion and grandeur.

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>Somewhere in the world there's an angry little faggot
>He can't read japanese
>He can't even follow basic paneling
>He shitposts about an old, pluridecorated old man minding his own business
>He lies profusely to the point of creating a literal alternate reality while accusing said old man of living in his own bubble
>He thinks his "opinion" is worth shit when the whole planet respects said old man, arguably one of the fathers of manga
>When he can't even read manga
>For children
>He does this every single day
>On /m/
>for free

I swear, in ten years I've been in here I've hardly seen anything as pathetic as this.

>>15068440
>arguably one of the fathers of manga
matsumotofags are delusional.

He did nothing to advance the cause of manga, not with such terrible works he shat out at the prime of his career.

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>>15068447
>Responds after barely 3 minutes
How sad can you get man?
Not like I didn't expect this from a literal no life sociopath, but If you keep going like this you'll die before old man Matsumoto does.

>>15068458
I'm just pointing out the literal delusions that some of you have for Matsumoto.

Father of manga? He only ever made manga in one single genre, and the bulk of them are terribly drawn and written. To call him the father of manga is incredibly insulting to people like Ishinomori and Tezuka who actually earned their title.

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>>15068468
Yeah, I sure trust a chronic shitposter who can't even read manga to tell me if an artist is good at his job.

You're laughable man.

>>15068468
>I'm just pointing out
Repeatedly. Daily. For a year on end.

You are a sad excuse for a human. Get a hobby that isn't the consumption of media, because you clearly do nothing else.

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>>15068478
It's not that I can't read it. It's that Matsumoto arrange his panels in a way that makes them not enjoyable to read at all.

He's a hack of a manga artist, and to call him "father" of manga is belitting the likes of Tezuka and Ishinomori.

At most his biggest achievement is being one of the first sci fi writers in Japan, that's literally it. Every single one of his work was fixed by the poor folks at Toei, who had the incredible job of turning literal shit into something watchable.

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>>15068493
>It's not that I can't read it.
>It's that Matsumoto arrange his panels in a way that makes them not enjoyable to read at all.
This fucking guy.
No man, you can't read it at all, four different people pointed that out in that old thread and you gradually backpedalled like the little passive aggressive bitch you are to save face, just like you're doing now.

Get out of your basement, lose weight, wash yourself and try to get back into society, maybe your mommy will love you a bit more, staying 24/7 in front of a screen to shitpost about your evident inferiority complex towards a respected japanese old man is no way to live your life.

You can't even get (You)s anymore.

>>15068512
nice ad hominem. You're doing nothing to show that Matsumoto's manga is worth reading.

>a respected japanese old man
He doesn't even respect other artists and he's a huge douche.

>>15068493
is that Ozuma in pic?

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>>15068525
>You're doing nothing to show that Matsumoto's manga is worth reading.
I don't need to, I'm not the one who can't read children's comics and I have better things to do than make empty proselitism like you do.
>He doesn't even respect other artists and he's a huge douche.
Said by a literal who that lies about other people's lives, especially a respected artist's is something only a poor fellow like you can do without realizing how hypocritical and pathetic it looks.

You're hitting new lows by each post man.

>>15068525
>No I don't have to prove my assertions, you have to prove yours.

Everyday. For years. This is what /m/ is now. This is why it is perfectly acceptable to spam
>Well you just can't handle other people's opinions
every fucking time obvious trolling is pointed out.

>THIS SHOW IS SHIT. AND YOU ARE SHIT FOR WATCHING IT. ALSO YOUR PARENTS ARE SHIT!
>Ignore the troll.
>You just can't handle other peoples opinions.
>Prove the show isn't shit, even though I'm the one making the argument, and have said nothing to back it up. OH WAIT. YOU CAN'T.

Every fucking day.

I think Matsumotofags should at least admit the guy has some pretty bad weaknesses. I don't hate the guy, but goddammit sometimes it's like he's not even trying. If you can't admit when he's doing an half-assed job, there's something wrong with you.

>>15068638
>Everyone who criticizes the lazyposter is a Matsumotofag
This "Us VS Them" mentality is one of the many cancers killing decent discussion here.
>but goddammit sometimes it's like he's not even trying.
Not like 99% of the people in the whole art business can't be accused of the same thing, eh?
At this point I'd be more worried about people who can't stop defending Tezuka, Ishinomori, Nagai or even more recent authors like Anno than someone who barely got any discussion until one year ago like Matsumoto.
Especially when there's a literal sociopath making multiple threads every day about it.

You know, I personally don't like Tomino all that much, I rather prefer Takahashi, or even Oshii when it comes to directing, but it's largely my opinion, I sure do not shit the board every fucking day making multiple threads calling Tomino a hack and a terrible person, let alone lying about him.

>>15068741
>Not like 99% of the people in the whole art business can't be accused of the same thing, eh?
At this point I'd be more worried about people who can't stop defending Tezuka, Ishinomori, Nagai or even more recent authors like Anno than someone who barely got any discussion until one year ago like Matsumoto.

If you think those guys are anything close to Matsumoto's level of laziness, you probably didn't read enough of him. When it's bad, it, it's really fucking bad. Amateurish bad. I don't think it's even a fair comparison.

>>15068741
>Tezuka, Ishinomori, Nagai
All three of them have good excuses for rushing manga out as fast as possible. They all worked on like 5 weekly series at some point.

Matsumoto doesn't have this excuse.

>>15068780
>If you think those guys are anything close to Matsumoto's level of laziness, you probably didn't read enough of him.
You don't give up, do you?

I seriously wonder what caused you to become such a parody of a man, I've seen my share of mentally ill people in my life, but such off the charts levels of obsession are truly something.

No matter how much you try to hammer in that some bad pages are more important than the whole thing or career of a person, you'll only convince morons like yourself who don't know any better.
>>15068797
>They all worked on like 5 weekly series at some point.
4 of which were insipid garbage, like most of Tezuka's works that aren't the big ones like Black Jack or Atom. Or are you going to pretend that even 30% of Tezuka's whole output is beyond decent? The vast majority of his production, while impressive in term of size, is unremarkable.
Same with Nagai and Ishinomori, who can be accused of sticking to one gimmick just as much as Matsumoto, and most artists in general.
>Matsumoto doesn't have this excuse.
Matsumoto also didn't work as a serial manga author for magazines and he didn't make any claims about working as such either, so comparing him to Tezuka or Ishinomori is stupid in the first place since they worked in completely different environments with completely different philosophies, at this point you might say the same things about Shigeru Mizuki just because he did only a few manga, and don't mind me if I laugh at you if you do.

If you want to compare Nagano to Rumiko Takahashi or David Bowie to Frank Zappa be my guest, it's fundamentally stupid in the first place.

And seeing the same tired thread about this whole load of shit every day isn't any better.

So fuck off, you're killing this board with your senseless and puerile bullshit, if you need attention so much go get a hooker or a good doctor.

>>15068833
The point is that these manga are allowed to be terrible because these authors lacked time to turn them into something better. Matsumoto had a lot more free time and his shit still turned out terrible.

Shigeru Misuki didn't release many titles, you're right. But you know what? At least he released good manga that people wanted to read. Not the case with Lazy Matsumoto.

>>15068833
Also I've had read quite a few obscure Tezuka manga, and they're still much better than anything Matsumoto ever shat out during his entire career.

>>15067665

Where the hell can you even get this design?

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>love Harlock
>love Maetel
>love Leiji Matsumoto for creating these two characters
>will never care what some whiney little internet crusader has to think

>>15037836
I want to fuck her

Why are lazyragers so boring?

>>15070010
We attempt to emulate the works of Lazy Matsumoto.

>new Captain Harlock show
when?

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Change /v/ for /m/ and you will have the same thing. Fuck the shitposter.

>>15070526
in 2018

Does lazyposter have any kind of life whatsoever? Did he even get laid tonight for new years?
SAD!

>>15067749
>Unrelated
Fucking retard detected
Look at Danzigs shirt you cunt
>>15069745
He made it himself, it was the late 70s in America dude. Go to a tshirt printing site. Im sure theres been official ones released in Japan but uh, good luck with that

>>15072537

I'm going to have to look up getting one of these shirts, I always loved the skull & bones that Harlock uses, it doesn't come across as edgy or trying to hard, it's almost comic.

>>15072533
You already used this same joke before. SAD!

>>15068914
>Shigeru Misuki didn't release many titles, you're right.
You completely invalidated any point you could have had by saying something this ignorant.

I was gonna let this thread die but this was so ridiculously stupid that I want other people to know how wrong you are.

>>15068440
There is simply no truth in this.

Captain Harlock is a lot of fun

>>15019380
He's a awesome character

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He's a Alpha MC

>>15077801
But he only has eyes for Tochiro.

>>15072619
>but this was so ridiculously stupid
It's stupid to say that Mizuki didn't create a lot of manga?

His page states he has around 50 manga, which is not a lot compared to the Tezuka, Nagai and Ishinomori.

This is a fact, not your dumb opinion.

>>15077803
bullshit

>>15077803
He like woman

>>15050392
It's good movie

>>15072571
>Made this post before
Sounds familiar doesnt it, lazyanon?
Leji >>> pile of dogshit >>> everything /a/ likes >>> (you)

>>15080186
Bullshit

>>15080186
Most of the things that /a/ likes is better than any manga by Matsumoto; yes, even the flavour of the month moeshit

>>15080476
Why don't you try posting about something you actually LIKE for a change?

Hey /m/, I've been trying to get into Matsumoto's anime shit for a while but absolutely do not know where to start.

A guy told me to watch 2 GE movies not sure which, and to watch original Harlock anime.

What movies is he talking about an is he correct?

>>15081998

>A guy told me to watch 2 GE movies not sure which

don't.

>and to watch original Harlock anime.

do.

What you should really do is watch everything in the leijiverse as it aired.

>>15081087
Is it because I want to be accepted; I want to be cool; I want to be popular?

>>15081998
>watching GE999 movies and not the TV
Kill yourself.

>>15081998
>>15082862
At least he doesn't want to read the shitty matsumoto manga, give him some credit

>>15083160
Everybody has their own opinion.

>>15082518

ok, I started Harlock last night, couldn't find a download but saw crunchy roll had it and watching from there right now.

Also, I saw they also have GE, can I watch it as I watch Harlock?

From what I read their not that connected, and I would really like to get a headstart on GE considering 100+ anime takes me forever. LoGH took me the better part of a year

>>15080476
/a/ love cancer

>>15083400
They are connected. Harlock even appears in GE999. Also if you are going to watch GE999, watch the fucking TV version or don't watch it at all.

>>15084557
you didn't answer my question tho, can I watch both at the same time or not?

>>15083400
>couldn't find a download


Where do you people come from.. grab Live-eviL's release for Harlock.

>Also, I saw they also have GE, can I watch it as I watch Harlock?

For GE999 you can either start now or wait until the BDs are eventually subbed, the only release actually available is the CR release for most of it because they were the ones who went and bothered paying to get translations done.

GE999 TV and Space Pirate are connected but only briefly and one way, you can go ahead and get started on 999 while watching Harlock at the same time.

>>15084951
coolio

>>15061920
Shes sexy

>>15084673
yeah, you can watch both at the same time

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I think Captain Harlock is like a god

>>15083400
>Also, I saw they also have GE, can I watch it as I watch Harlock?
yes you can

>>15088366
Me too

>>15080186
Autism?

>>15019380
Sure, if you like 36 year old classics. Keep in mind that the mode of story telling and art style are going to feel a bit 'off' if you you've only been watching recent series. Harlock was created by the legendary Leiji Matsumoto. As such, if you're interested in watching a broad spread of different types of anime, you really should consider watching a Leiji '70s classic like Captain Harlock or the original Space Battleship Yamato. If you'd rather stick to modern series, then don't bother. Here. Watch the OP. If it still looks interesting, then go for it. See why it's remembered so many years later.

>>15094245
Fuck off.

>>15019380
I mean, it seemed that as long as it's got dark matter and has Harlock/What'sHisFace piloting it (also, i thought the twist would be that What'sHisFace would be sent back in time and become Harlock, Since the movie did draw some parallels to their appearance, especially towards the end.) it repairs itself, but keeps the flag tattered for aesthetics. So it could be that the dark matter decided it should look like that, Maybe it's based on Harlocks subconscious.