Weebs?

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>>15007678
i wouldn't be here if mecha aren't weebs dumbass

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>>15007689
Aight

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>>15007678
>>15007691
not realistic enough

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>>15007695
If a mech was practical at all as we know it. What would you suggest? Something like in your picture?

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>>15007713
Something roughly like this.

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>>15007678
>>15007691
>>15007713
This shit's cool, OP. Does it have a walk cycle yet?

>>15007719
Nah man. Shit was made in sketchup. Im not that good.

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>Western mechs

>Liking impractical, boring, ugly tank turret greeble fests on stubby legs with terribly designed everything drawn by talentless dipshits who are so concerned with MUH GRITTY REALISM but who don't actually know the slightest fucking thing about vehicle and weapon design, and half the time just plagiarize shit from Japan because every robot they themselves draw looks comically fucking retarded

>Not liking glorious Nippon mecha that while expensive and complicated as fuck to build, would actually have any conceivable advantages over tanks, and also just look cool

You faggots don't belong on this board

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>>15007695
Are you even trying?

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>>15007739
Can't we just get along?

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>>15007739
I always find it funny that people think the humanoid skeletal structure would be the most effective form of mech. Why not mimic other forms of life. Like a beetle or a bird. Honestly I like to see more of an emphasis on function rather than form. No need to dwell on useless aesthetics.

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>>15007739
Oh and fast hover tanks will always greatly out perform any humanoid mech.

>>15007778
Battletech cured me of my fear of hovertanks.

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doodling /m/ is my comfort zone

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>>15007793

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>>15007777
Not him, but his point entirely was that thinking of "practicality" when it comes to giant robots at all is an exercise in futility. He pointed out why this is so pretty well.

Giant robots as we think of them simply aren't going to exist or perform in those ways we imagine if they somehow do- to think of "function" anything is generally not going to be very helpful and some western /m/ ideas of function don't actually seem super well thought-out. The best thing to do is simply to have fun and make things look cool, which helps since the vast majority of /m/ material is technically aimed at kids.

However, >>15007771 is most correct: there's really no reason to be unhappy about people\s aesthetic preferences. I don't like or agree with realismfags because the way I see it they're trying to apply things to a concept that is inherently and always will be fantasy, but there's no reason to go out of my way to say anything.

>>15007778
>fictional thing X can beat fictional thing Y regardless of setting, context

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>>15007713
It would be like this.

Well armored and every exposed joins will be covered with vest.

>tfw all this westerdots rant and debating on how something is unrealistic and shit.
>Japan only shruged and show them how its done.

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>>15007967
I should really get around to watching Patlabor some time soon, the mecha being useless in actual combat against tanks and planes but useful for stuff like construction and law enforcement tickles my inner realismfag.

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>>15007678
>Is Mecha mostly weebs?
Something tells me you don't know what the word "weeb" means. Also, you're probably underage for 4chan.

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>>15007713
Seriously speaking.
1) Very poor leg articulation. You can`t turm as far as I can see.
2) No hip to speak about. So, You can`t turn torso independant from legs.
3) Gatling gun on chin position? Seriously? What do you suppose to use it for? Anti-personal? That would be a serious overkill. Anti-vehicle? Too bad firing arc.

I think, this design simply kills main idea of "mecha" as bipedal combat vehicle. And that idea is "mobility and agility".

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>>15008505
That`s my attempt to design "realistic mecha" in Sketchup.

>>15008001
balls grabbing hand gesture...

>>15007777
>bug mechas

get out BESPA

>>15008505
Seems awful wasteful to have those huge kneepads when other parts need armoring.

>>15008726
Required for kneeled position, plus, there are storage boxes inside. No armor involved, so they are quite light. The only real armor is around the pilot. everything else is armored from 7.62x54 at best.

>>15007689
>that screenshot
Are there actually people here who are this stupid? I'm kinda embarrassed.

>>15007778
Hovertank<flying mech

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>>15007678
If by "weeb" you mean "watches anime", then yeah.

Even most of the classic western mecha (Battletech, Mekton, Rifts, Robotech) was forked off from anime by Americans.

It's not a bad thing at all. Although most mecha fans are not the turboweebs you're probably thinking of (guys that collect bishoujo figures, doujins and body pillows and post smug loli). I find that you get more guys like pic related than anything else.

>>15008505
Interesting. Your torso-mount cockpit is very similar to the RX series from Gunbuster.

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>>15007777
>I always find it funny that people think the humanoid skeletal structure would be the most effective form of mech. Why not mimic other forms of life. Like a beetle or a bird.
CHICKEN GEAR!!!

>>15007778
>Oh and fast hover tanks will always greatly out perform any humanoid mech.
Good luck spending 99.9% of your energy just to float nimrod...

>>15008001
>I should really get around to watching Patlabor some time soon, the mecha being useless in actual combat against tanks and planes but useful for stuff like construction and law enforcement tickles my inner realismfag.
They do have Combat Labors though, don't they?

>>15008936
I`ve actually seen gunbuster much later. But, I guess, that`s the only way to make torso fully articulated, like human torso is.

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>>15007678
That looks hideous, OP.

Also, you're supposed to render the actual models, not show flat-textured models in the editor.

>>15008999
>They do have Combat Labors though, don't they?
Yes but they're used in conjunction with other weapons platforms. They're also shown as being taken down pretty easily.

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>>15009146
>Yes but they're used in conjunction with other weapons platforms. They're also shown as being taken down pretty easily.
Well yes, but the same is true of pretty much every mechanized unit.

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>>15008936
>pic related
whoops, I meant this pic

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>>15007777
If it's shaped like a giant beetle it's just a glorified tank, if it's shaped like a giant bird just make a jet/VTOL/helicopter, make something with a vertical orientation and arms if you want it to do mecha things.
The idea behind mecha is to give all the versatility of a humanoid body to a fast, heavily armored, heavily armed vehicle.

With reliable, fast legs they could eventually keep up with or maybe outrun most current wheeled and tracked vehicles, and move over or between obstacles no other land vehicle could.

A sufficiently armored mecha could perhaps survive hits from current APFSDS ammo due to how well you could armor a cramped, one person cockpit without it falling through every bridge it moves onto.

It's arms(there don't necessarily have to be only two, and they don't always need to be shaped or positioned like a human's) could do everything ours can do, but bigger and stronger, as well as much more.
With their ability to manipulate objects so well and use tools I could easily imagine mechs getting use as multipurpose construction vehicles and emergency response vehicles.

In a more futuristic scenario mecha also have the advantage of good movement in space and under gravity.

Humanoid mecha make sense because they have advantages over normal machines that could make them worth their price tag and engineering nightmare.

I could certainly see animal like robots being a thing, just not at the scale of what we think of as mecha, a four legged robot could surely out pace a humanoid in speed, but it's whole advantage would be speed, so it should be small and light, not a large mech.

It annoys me that most science fiction involving mechs doesn't include any sort of powered armor, which in real life are probably going to be the nail in the coffin of MBT practicality, and most science fiction involving powered armor doesn't have any sort of mech, which could carry weapons that can reliably and quickly defeat powered armor.

>>15009212
>It annoys me that most science fiction involving mechs doesn't include any sort of powered armor, which in real life are probably going to be the nail in the coffin of MBT practicality, and most science fiction involving powered armor doesn't have any sort of mech, which could carry weapons that can reliably and quickly defeat powered armor.
Or your Mechs evolve from oversized Power Armor!

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>>15007967
>Well armored
>Posts picture of Ingram-2

Ingram units are only armored with durable plastic, and can have Kevlar put on top of it, they probably won't stop any anti material rounds, and certainly no autocannon ammunition, which they use in their revolvers.
Patlabor could do better with it's armor, Labors could definately carry steel plates around their cockpits.
Though it is set in Japan, a no guns and violence ever peaceful wonderland, so plastic armor is still sufficient most of the time.

>>15007777
>Beetle or a bird
You mean like fucking airplanes?

>>15009247
Hey, by well armored i mean of its being covered with armor properly, no exposed piston and hanging cables everywhere m8.

>>15008001
>Labor is useless in combat

Never see X-10 or Doshka, aren't you?

And no, it seems to be useless in Patlabor 2 because its not been able to do anything thanks to UN high ups being useless hacks.

They can't 1v1 with tanks in tanking battles because, you know, its not made for "tanking"(except for the two above), but they excel at ambush and scouting, double with them able to traverse heavy terrain easily (except for some 8nsane ones like sloppy rainforest or swamps, but it depends on models), thats why almost all nation use them. Also, most of the mass producted models like Samsons are carrying anti-tanks.

Combat labors aren't impractical, they just aren't touted as the end-all be all like every other fucking /m/ show. The situation im pretty sure everyone is referencing had them getting murked in an ambush

>>15010521
she left us too soon

>>15008897
>Are there actually people here who are this stupid?

Unfortunately yes

>>15007778
BF2142 demonstrated that hover tanks offer no real value over normal tanks.

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>>15008505
>>15008507
Nice original donut steel design you got there.

>>15019450
Labors are pretty well-thought throu mecha design and good sourse of inspiration. However too large for my taste, and overcomplicated (too many hydraulic pistons instead of much simpler electric motors). BTW, on my mech, top-chest portholes, are not viewports, but secondary cameras housing. Plus, Helldiver don`t have twin 7.62 PKT machineguns in head.

>>15017527
>even if you were in her fuccboi crew, you couldn't have protected her smile from that autismo toddler

>>15007695
>Tachikoma dome
LOL

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How realistic is a Spider-Tank?

>>15019812
both spider and tank are real, so really real real x2, you have nothing to wrong about.

>>15019812
Better have wheels in the feet and be able to walk/run, if it can only do one of those it's basically an overly complicated tank or an overly bulky, armless mech.

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>>15019812
6 leg mecha are the only ones that can really work with current technology.

>>15021798
>artificial bumping
What the hell.

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>>15007678
Small exoskeletons/power suits are the future

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>>15007695
That's basically just a quadruped AC, though.

>>15007739
This. Mecha aren't viable in the first place, so there's really no point in making them "realistic" like western artists love so much.

Most western """mecha""" come in two varieties--inarticulate blocks of scrap or metal boxes on chicken legs.

>>15016221
That looks fucking terrible.

>>15023066
you sayin guns and tanks aren't viable? aircraft?

>>15023189
Not when you put them on legs.

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>>15009247
woah, which labor is that at the left of the helldiver?
>>15023066
Don't use the same argument that the 3 edgy for u kid uses, some of us just like our mechs lumbering giants with iron skin and weapons of mass destruction for arms

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>>15023347
Not a labor, guncannon mass production type.
Same mecha designer tho

>>15023347
Ok, that thing is pretty fucking intimidating up close.

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>>15007678
>>15009108
the excessive bracing on the legs is too distracting, it's okay to have flat featureless areas.

>>15007758
i want to be friends with it

>>15007678
short answer, yes.

>>15007713
>exposed hydraulics
Would not invest into further development/10

>>15008799
>everything else is armored from 7.62x54 at best
so its useless then?

>>15024181
no its not, since it would increase weight and radar cross section

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>>15024181
This, it annoys me how much mecha artists love to just slap excessive detailing everywhere.
>>15024400
>it would increase weight
It wouldn't though. The pattern does nothing but add material. Unless the recessed sections are unarmoured (which would be retarded), there's no downside to bringing that armour forward to a flat plane and would increase the effectiveness of said armour.

And being detected by fucking radar isn't a huge concern for ground based vehicles, anon.

tl;dr take a look at an M1 Abrams. The armour surfaces are all flat.

>>15024388
It`s not an "uberwaffe", you mean? Yes it isn`t. It is used alongside the tanks, helicopters, planes, etc. Sort of 1-man bipedal IFV. Can protect pilot, can withstand some damage, but in no way invincible. Most protection from heavier weapons supposed to be provided by soft and hard kill active protection systems (not shown).
>>15024435
Not him, but recessed sections do reduce weight. And unarmored, or partialy armored locations are not retarded, unless there is something that could be critically damaged there. Metallic "bone" of mecha is quite damage resistant on its own. Its those pumps, motors and cables, that are vulnurable.

>>15024451
>unless there is something that could be critically damaged there
Considering that recessed style is used on the main hull of the thing I somehow doubt that's the case. Hell, those boxy legs clearly have more space than just the structure.

And at the end of the day, it's just visually unappealing; from a design perspective it's just too visually busy.

>>15023922
of course, it's a god-machine, anyone would be intimidated, even those in orbit!

>>15023533
from which gudam?

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>>15024181
It also makes no sense. you'd have that on the inside to save weight, on the outside it'd make it more vulnerable to tank/artillery shells. Same reason why a breastplate like this would be dumb, as it'd direct strikes towards the sternum.

>>15024470
Can`t argue with that

>>15024965
0080: War in the Pocket

>>15024451
Prepare to have your mecha disabled by literally any asshole with the wherewithal to place a pipe bomb at ankle hight, has a grenade launcher, a .50 machine gun, AK-47 firing black tips or a cheap soviet era RPG.

The armor should at minimum stop Browning .50 cal over any section that contains sensitive components like electronics and limb actuators and at most be able to stop one of those old man portable 30mm anti-materiel rifles. The cockpit should be able to protect against a likely range of IEDs and older model RPGs

>>15024400
wouldnt all the recessed cross bracing increase radar signature?

>>15025303
That`s the problem of literally ANY military vehicle. Theoretically, you can disable an M1A2 Abrams with simple metal bar. It is quite easy to block the tread with it. Problem is - you have to get in right position. Which is close to impossible in actual warfare. Same with mecha. Yes, you can disable walker with pipe bomb. It is just bearly impossible to do so.
RPG and other AT grenade launchers are suppowed to be dealed with by active protection. Cockpit armor is supposed to be able to withstand 30mm AP round from frontal arc. It also should be able to deal with older RPGs, due to spaced armor construction. Knees are protected well enough so you won`t have to fear AKs and grenade fragments, and they are a small, unpredictably moving target to snipe the motor more serious.

Walking mecha provide good protection of pilot from IED, by its nature. I mean, you have very small bottom area, plus, the cockpit is quite high from the ground.
So, to sum that up, main idea: Be mobile, carry heavy weapons, don`t get hit by anti-vehicle weapons, if you got the hit, pray that it will land on something not vital, like skeleton structure, arms,head, etc.

BTW, .50 machinegun is more than enough to perforate BMP-1. Still that was and is quite successfull vehicle, serving its purpose. The only niche mecha can excel is mobility on broken terrain. Mecha will never be able to excel in armor, speed or price tag, over the conventional vehicle (well, with the exception of F-35 in case of the price tag, lol) That means, you should emphasise its mobility, limiting conventional armor at necessary minimum level.

>>15017753
>BF2142 demonstrated that hover tanks offer no real value over normal tanks.

BF2142 didn't have any hover tanks, it had hover assault guns

If they had given the hover assault gun a moveable turret, it would have easily shit on the EU's crappy track tank

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>>15031284

Say that to my face, fucker

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How can you guys forget metal gear rex for realistic ideas???