Gundam: G no Reconguista

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>>14998258
at least use a different OP pic op

was the ibo thread getting too bully for you?

>>14998276
And then they say that IBOcucks are the one that start flinging their shit first.

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>>14997306

got rekt you retard

>>14998258
>written by a 5 year old
No, it was written *for* 5 year olds, by a senile old man.
>nothing of importance happens
Except for the revolutionary discovery that traveling back to your home town cures brain damage. Also the Elevator Pope ate some cookies, that was pretty important apparently. And the walker-thing rental-guy's sales pitch, that was important enough to repeat verbatim a few times. And don't forget the monosyllabic shouting in english, /m/ ate that shit up. "FLAPS. PULL BACK."
Good times.

>>14998258
Actually its a masterpiece, nice try though.

>>14998258
In MSG0079 nothing happens either.
That old man loves to tell stories about a big war that he never shows. WHO THE HELL WAS GENERAL REVIL?

Greco has some of IBO's problems, but it inverts tha latter's piss poor pacing.

Shit does happen and at a pretty substained pace, but it's a clusterfuck that really doesn't grip you, with relatively shallow characters moving about in a world that is largely underutilized.
And it's a pretty huge waste, as I feel that Bellri and co. aren't exactly the shittiest bunch. More could have been done with them, and here and there you get glimpses of potential- And things are heped by the mechanical design being pretty spot on.

>>15000801
Is this ningen serious?

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he's pretty funny

>>14998258

Stick to A/Z

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Why is Raraiya so autistic?

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>>15002024
he really puts the ass in assistant

>>14998258
The show was objectively well-written. Your opinion doesn't affect the quality of anything. You probably didn't do very well in English class, did you?

>>14998871
Please let this be satire, I don't want to believe you're actually this stupid. It's embarrassing.

yeah, Noredo best girl

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>>15007234
>yeah, Aida best girl
ftfy

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>>15007255
>not Bellu

>>15002865
Because she has literal brain damage from oxygen deprivation.

Even in 0079 Tomino was treating physical damage to the brain as a personality trait. Look at Amuro meeting his father after the latter got spaced - Amuro is extremely upset by the change in his father's personality, but neither he nor the show seem to acknowledge incurring physical damage to the brain is not the same thing as a change in attitude.

Having Raraiya get over/"grow out of" her brain damage is like expecting to just "get over" having a front lobotomy, as if the lack of cognitive ability is just them being crestfallen and not the result of a part of their brain being destroyed.

>>14998258
>it generally feels like it was written by a 5 year old
This 5 years old is a genius.

>>15002865
Oxygen deprivation as you can see her losing her mask in the opening sequence.

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>>15007234
She'll never be first with Raraiya around.

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Sexiest suit.

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>>15007753
G LUFITA CHAN!

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>>15007757

Are the shorts ever getting subs?

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Welcome to Venus Globe.

>>15007760
i want this so bad

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>>15007753
From the name, I guess G-Lucifer destroyed the G-savior

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>>15007760
never ever

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I recently finished watching greco, and I have to say I really really enjoyed it, and it also helped me appreciate what it is I like about Tomino's gundam that other gundams lack.

Tomino gundam is essentially very human. He keeps things humans by showing people eat, piss, shit, hurt themselves, miscommunicate, misunderstand, stumble, commit mistakes and talk shit.

I like this, because it makes everyone releatable. There wasn't a single unreleatable character in Greco. You don't feel anyone is "evil" in the way most series portray its villains, but at the same time you understand that some of these releatable characters are in the wrong and need to be stopped.

Secondly, Tomino is really good at directing action. Every single action scene in greco (and there's a lot of them) are high energy and with a lot of stuff going on. Yet the outcome is never a foregone conclusion, you never know what's going to happen really (besides some vague assumption that Bellri and the Gundam is likely to win). This is partially because of Tomino's kill'em all rep of course, but more so it's because he's very creative in his directing. He does more with the gundam than just show off how "strong it is". He also shows off how creative Bellri is and Tomino understands the importance of showing the emotion of a battle. He also never portrays anyone as "immortal" in battle, and he makes a point of always showing people get thrown around in their cockpits. You really feel the impact as they fight each other.

Finally, greco is really well-paced, which hasn't always been the case for a Tomino show. The artstyle is pretty and distinct and the setting and story is exciting. This makes me think Greco is probably my favorite Tomino show of all time.

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>>15007776
No, it got cast out of G-Heaven for not listening to God Gundam.
G-Saviour was killed by Neros Gundam.

>>15007841
I thought the pilate killed him

>>15007797
I love this

I want bellri to bully me

>>15005063
It feels awful that after almost 3 cours, this little piece of brawl between fodder has much better choregraphy that anything IBO had to offer so far.

>>15008263

>Unoriginal blatant Z'Gok successor rams its claws through two nearly static mobile suits, with such thrilling actions as catching a massively telegraphed saber swing and feebly kicking a destroyed suit before they hang in place and just explode

Fuck off, you Tomino dick-sucker. Your ilk are a blight on this entire board.

>>15007799
>He also never portrays anyone as "immortal" in battle

Except Bellri, who never struggles to win anything.

>>15008312

>implying

Bellri had to struggle quite a bit. He often had to run away from his opponents to regroup and find another way of fighting. Sometimes this also had consequences, such as when the Venus colony was damaged because Bellri tried to hide next to it.

>>15007799
>Finally, greco is really well-paced

I love the show but you're full of shit.

>>15008324

Yeah, I recall every one of his struggles, like him bodying Mkembi every time he fought him, or flying up to the Yggdrasil and stabbing it once, or making a complete and utter mockery of Mask in all of their encounters save their last, wherein plot intervened so that he wouldn't lose in the form of a convenient bird.

I remember that. I don't remember him actually having to fight to win most of the time, but then again I suppose it can all be explained away by the fact that no-one knows how to fight a war and Bellri's leagues beyond the competition because he's a cadet and also a convenient chosen one, I guess.

>>15008277
t.Okada

>>15008329

Just because it's fast doesn't mean it isn't well paced. Sure, the story doesn't leave you time to breath, but it's not as if any part is rushed or gets dragged out needlessly.

>>15008335

You're just trying to pick a fight.

>>15008395
>You're just trying to pick a fight.

That's a stunning rebuttal.

>>15008408

It's not a rebuttal. I just pointed out you're not actually here to talk about the show. You're here to create an argument. I'm replying to you by informing you that I'm not interested in a childish argument.

If you think Bellri was an invincible soldier that had no struggle and could do not wrong, that's fine by me. Feel free to continue thinking that.

>>15008395
>but it's not as if any part is rushed

It's like you didn't even watch the show.

>>15008424

Oh, shut up, you whinger. The only person in this entire thread who tried to 'talk about the show' is >>15007799, and I don't particularly care if he's you or if he isn't. All I'm doing is calling horseshit - don't try to tell me to do something no-one else is doing.

>>15008424
>I just pointed out you're not actually here to talk about the show. You're here to create an argument
Scroll back through the thread, choombata. He's one of the few people who *is* talking about the events/plot of the show instead of just posting "____ best girl" like most G-Reco threads.
You think this is some kind of non-confrontational safe-space reserved only for people who find the show comfy? The least you could do is reply by listing story events where Belliri did have to legit struggle (you DID follow the story, right?) instead of just whining that he isn't agreeing with you.

>>15008439

The show is interesting because it's really fast, especially compared to the old 40-50 episode Tomino shows. But fast doesn't automatically mean "rushed". You can have music with a fast beat or a slow beat, right?

The same goes for shows. G-reco has a really fast beat for sure, but the only part that's actually rushed in my opinion is how Mask captured that one big spaceship and then managed to make an alliance with the venus corps.

The reason I'm confidentially saying the show is well-paced is that even though it keeps a really really fast beat on its story, I never felt the story was rushed or got muddled.

>>15008452

Bellri doesn't really do anything special compared to Amuro, Camille, Judeu or Uso. As for protag plot armor goes, I felt he was pretty ordinary in that aspect. The main difference was that he was slightly more competent when he first got into the Gundam, but then again he had formal cadet training beforehand.

As for his "invincibility" in fights, he got thrown around a lot, he was shocked, he made mistakes and he yelled "oh god!" a lot. It never like a battle was over just because Bellri had arrived.

>>14998258
Yeah G-Reco was terrible, but at least they redeemed the franchise with IBO.

>>15008475
>It never like a battle was over just because Bellri had arrived.

It was exactly like that with the Yggdrasil, to a tee - it tears up an entire fleet, and then Bellri thunders into the battlefield, flies up to it after a bit of dodging and stabs it with a beam saber and that's it. Kia also had no chance against him even with a bloody mobile armor. The only characters to give him anything resembling a pitched fight were endgame Mask and maybe Dellensen, because everyone else he ever faced had no idea what they were doing.

>>15008487

Nah, Bellri also struggled with that guy from Towasanga once he got the cape suit (whatever it was called) and he plain had to run away from the Venus corps since they outspecced him until he got the perfect backpack (and even then, he could only take on Mask in the final episode when they were in a 1v1).

Most importantly though, Bellri is shown actually struggling. It's not really about winning or losing. Most protags do tend to win in some manner at the end of the day, because otherwise you'd have pretty short shows (Char and Jerid spends most of their shows getting kicked around by the Gundam as well). What's important is if the protag comes across as invincible or not. Bellri doesn't really feel invincible. The reason he wins is at first because the gundam outspeccs the clunky earth suits. Then after that it's because Bellri shows off what's he has learned by using his equipment in a clever way (like for instance using his backpack as a decoy). There's also plenty of screentime showing that Bellri himself doesn't think himself invincible. You can tell from his expression and what he says that he can feel the pressure of the situation he's in, and that's an important part of creating tension in a fight.

>>15008524
>There's also plenty of screentime showing that Bellri himself doesn't think himself invincible. You can tell from his expression and what he says that he can feel the pressure of the situation he's in, and that's an important part of creating tension in a fight.

And that proves itself completely irrelevant when, regardless of what he says, he can just float over to a fleet-destroying mobile armor without suffering a scratch and poke it with a sword once and watch it burn to pieces.

Weren't you and people like you always on about how masterful G-Reco was at showing, not telling?

>>15008551

It's not as if being a fleet destroyer is actually a big deal. Char blew up five of them in a Zaku. Ships are dead meat to mobile suits in the gundam-verse. Secondly you could sort of tell that Bellri would be a good match against the Yggdrasil from the very start since the G-self had been shown to be very capable of diverting beam based weaponry from the very beginning.

>>15007776
Man, the name doesn't refer to the Devil in an antagonistic fashion. Lucifer in the bible is also referred to as the Morning star, the first star visible in the evening and the last star visible in the morning. That "star" is really the planet Venus, where the G-Lucifer was built. The name is basically Gundam Venus .

>>15005063
I'm still upset the Mole MS didn't get a HG.

>>15008572

He destroyed five mobile armors in a Zaku?

When did this feat of wonder happen, pray tell?

>>15008719
Use your mighty powers of inference, Rectard, he's referring to Char sinking five battleships at Loum and thereby being a "fleet destroyer" or whatever.
(yes, this was canon before Origin, so don't bitch)

>>15007750

>White hair
>brown skin
>blue eyes
>petite

Criminal combo

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>>15008879

>literally recruited half of Megafauna's pilot crew by being so perfect

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>>15008883

remember Raraiya is Lalah's daughter

>>15009038
But who's the father!?

>>15009044
Midichlorians.

>>15008487
>The only characters to give him anything resembling a pitched fight were endgame Mask
The G Self was running low on energy and Bellri was trying his best not to kill him.

>>15009098
We all know that was bullshit but it was better than saying "I was so piss-ass drunk I'm happy he isn't covered in fur".

>>15009106

That still counts as a struggle though. A protagonist can "lose" in many ways, because defeat isn't just about killing and surviving. If Bellri's moral belief and ambitions was to not take a life, being forced to kill would be a "loss" for him.

You can compare it to Batman if you want. I mean, he'd have a much easier time dealing with the Joker if he just shot the fuck. But that's besides the point, because if Batman has to kill someone, that's a defeat for him.

>>15009044
Loran

>>15009134
Sonovabitch! I don't how he did it, but still.

>>15009130
>You can compare it to Batman if you want
But Luin is the one wearing a mask!

>>15009130
>if Batman has to kill someone, that's a defeat for him
Do you even understand why Batman doesn't kill the bad guys?

>>15009161

I'm not saying it's for the same reason as Bellri didn't want to use lethal force, if that's what you are implying. I just used it as a practical example on how protagonists can limit themselves, and how defeat (or rather: success/failure) is more nuanced than just a "kill or get killed" scale.

Going back to Bellri and the Mask, I'd actually say this makes their fight more interesting. Because you sort of know Bellri will win since he's the protagonist right? And this is a happy Tomino show, so he's unlikely to kill Bellri. But what you DON'T know is if Bellri will have to kill Mask, or if Bellri can save the day without bloodying his hands. And that adds a lot of tension to their final fight (well, at least if you want Bellri to be happy at the end of the show. I did because I liked him).

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>>15008035

So I've been rewatching this, and being up to episode 6...

...It's considerably better than I remembered. Not OMGWTF-tier of deliciousness, but it's way more serviceable than I remember.

My biggest gripe is that the fight animation feels a lot more stilted than in other series, and that Bellri feels less interesting than a lot of the secondary characters. Overall, I'd say that the people saying that you need to pay attention to what characters are saying are haslf-right. Yeah, there's a lot of dialogue packed in, but it's still relatiively exposition-heavy and not all that nuanced from time to time.

From what I can remember of the latter episodes I can tell that I'll dislike the show more and more as it goes on, but so far I am kinda overwhelmed by how not-shit it feels.

>>15009442
yeah I found that I liked it best in sets of mini marathons. like 2-5 episodes at a time

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>>15007799
>>15009180
I'm glad to see another anon who liked this show as much as I did, and be able to articulate why better than I could.

>>15009551
>pic
that shot irked me every single time it went by because the movement of the G-Self goes so out-of-sync with the cgi elevator behind it that it's hard to believe they let that slide in Sunrise's flagship franchise.

>>15009570

I dunno I really liked that shot and slowed pan

>>15009845
do they all fuck?

>>15008466
>The least you could do is reply by listing story events where Belliri did have to legit struggle (you DID follow the story, right?) instead of just whining that he isn't agreeing with you.
Elf Bull battle, Venus Globe battle, first encounter with Kabakali and Grach, final battle.

And struggling isn't the same as losing.

>>15009106
Because Mask and Manny pulled him into a fight in low orbit (and then re-entry), and then he decided to show off and waste energy on re-entry instead of trying to go back to the ship. Did you even watch the show? And Bellri was trying to disable the Kabakali only up until he gets forced into the cave. He goes for one or two body shots with the beam rifle in the final encounter.

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I miss G-Reco generals...

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>>15010274
they were max comfy

>>15010721
It's amazing how much effort they put into acting and body language instead of having just lipsync and a few head turns.

>>15010721
i-is this how brothers and sisters interact?

>>15010857
it's pretty normal bantz for siblings IRL too

>>15010857
Those on good terms, sure.

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>>15009442
G-Reco is extremely rewatch friendly, the art and world building make it interesting, and you always catch something you missed the next time through. I've seen it about 3 times now, and still not bored with it.

>>15010253
Belri "Warning Shots" Zenam gets carried by the G-Self and its various gimmicks (the one-off backpacks, Photon armor making it unpredictable) most of the time. If he's losing, it's because he's just not a great pilot, especially under pressure.

Nobody in show ever remarks on Belri being a good pilot, he just happens to be the only person the G-Self will accept. People like Cahill, Dellenson, and even Mask are shown to be better than him, but their equipment was just no match. Even the Kabakali was nothing for the pile of flying death that is the Perfect Pack, and the fact it came out on top is incredible in and of itself.

Happa and his crew feeding the G-Self weaponry all series were the real MVPs.

>>15010887

I dunno if Bellri is that bad. He's actually pretty good once you consider he's usually actively trying to not kill his opponent, something Mask and Klim Nick didn't concern themselves with. So even if Bellri had the better suit, he's also holding back as he fights and forcing himself into unfavorable positions (close combat) even when its not necessary.

>>15010910
also perfect pack's energy and weapons were basically exhausted during that final showdown

>>15010887
>he just happens to be the only person the G-Self will accept
And, inexplicably, the G-Self is the only MS that all those backpacks would accept.
I seriously lost count of how many times they used the "We originally developed this for the _____ but it will only work with your G-Self." excuse.

>>15008312
Yeah I suppose you're kinda immortal when you're piloting a suit made by your family to ensure their children protection.

As long as bellri or Aida in G-Self no harm can do to them.

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>mfw people try and say g reco fans are the autists when they're the ones who can never ever stop making threads without any actual criticism and post of it it legitimate shitposting

>>15010956
>without any actual criticism
Yeah, I know. It's almost as if...the show is flawed and deserves criticism or something.
So you think you deserve to have hugbox threads where only positive opinions and comments are allowed, and you're calling people autists just for having opinions that differ from yours.
The ironing is like pottery.

>>15010973
That guy is right tho, the show is almost 3 years old and people been discussing the flaws since then, he only pointed out shitposter who keep on shitposting, ie (you)

>>15010983

So are you only allowed to talk about a show for 6 months after it airs?

>>15008312
Mask tai plz

>>15010983
So you are saying that people posting actual discussion instead of spamming fan art and "____ best girl" are the shitposters?
NEWS FLASH:
Mobile Suit Gundam came out 37 years ago and still gets criticized in most threads. You are not entitled to a hugbox. Everyone has the same right to express whatever their opinion of the show was regardless of how long ago it came out.

>>15011177
Why are you so mad guy? did G-Reco thread really upset your tendies or something? that guy did point out that the OP is a shitposter not you or that guy who keep posted "Bellri never struggle in a battle hurr"

Jesus not everyone is entitled to a hugbox, and no one is trying to create a "safespot" that guy just said that there is this one guy who keep shitposting and pitting IBObabies and Greco fans and the first poster called on the OP

Jesus Christ you faggots are fucking everywhere now just stay in fucking /a/ if you got this fucking triggered

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>>15012339

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>>15007799

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>>15007255
That's not how you spell Steer...

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>>15013478
MINOVSKY FLIGHTS

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>>15013502

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>>15013478
I know, I said best girl, not Steer

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>>15013807
>>15013478
no no you're wrong

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>>15013807
>>15013820
I will fight you both

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>>15014150
bring it!

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>>15014197

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>>15014243

>>15008551
Didnt the megafauna team provide a assload of covering fire to make that happen?

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>>15014312

>>15014312
shes a tomboy

>>15014312
>lemme just do pullups in zero G

>>15007799
literally same

>>15019088
I want to touch Nug's nugs.

>>15019134
Raraiya plz

>>15019134
no, Noredo was more amusing than the other girls

Okay, took a break around episode 15 or 16, what with the debris cleanup op.

Surprsingly enough I didn't end up hating it, but rather feeling it needs more episodes to space out things and focus on developing characters. You've got the dorette fleet, klim's forces, cumpa rosita, mask's kuntala FTW front + the protagonits and that adds up to about "Too many secondaries."

Pacing-wise there is stuff that coul have been given more screentime, like bellri's remorse over having killed dellensen and cahill.

>>15021293
That's G-Reco's biggest weakness and from where it's other problems, if any, come from.
It pacing is too fast. It's characters move quickly from one scene to the other without allowing the viewer to really understand, like or sympathize with most of the characters other than understanding their basic motivations.

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ass

>>15021497

The show would definitively had benefited from having more episodes.

With that said, I think that while respecting the pace it sets up, G-Reco does a pretty good job of running a tight ship with its schedule.

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>>15021293
>Bellri
>Remorse

Again with the usual "G-Reco was great and everyone who thinks otherwise is a retarded IBO shill" crap? Didn't we have enough of the "No, it's not harder to follow than what it should, you're just retarded" meme?

The writing was objectively like something penned by Ed Wood. The dialogue that was so bad even the VA's had a admit the material they had to work with was pretty, but that paled in comparison with the plot, which made some kind of sense if you paid very close attention, but a dog's breakfast if you didn't. Tomino himself admitted that the writing was crap and ended up giving rating the show as a whole as a 15/100 because of that. Here's a link if you don't believe me:

http://wowjapan.asia/2015/04/anime-yoshiyuki-tomino-finally-admits-gundam-reconguista-g-problems/

>In b4 the usual "You didn't like G-Reco, which means that you must be from ANN" autism

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>>15022141
Ed Wood is based though

nothin comfier than a warm blanket, some rum, and a ed wood marathon on a cold winter night

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>Ed Wood
YOUR STUPID MINDS!
STUPID!
STUPID!

>>15021293
Give them a break, dude. Imagine being a G-Rektard.

>literally everyone hates your favorite show
>even the director
>even the staff
>even Japan

>>15022610
did aida and bellri ever play that game of squashu?

>>15022994
Weak bait

>>15023965
no, Aida hates Bellri

>>15024893
Cahill plz

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he should stop being such a little shit then

Sayla never gave her onii-chan this much cheek

>>15022141
Not exactly, you have it backwards. You see, recofags are more likely to shill IBO than any reco hater. Why you ask? Quite simply because IBO is more of the reco hater's speed. IBO fags on the other hand, tend to bring up and mostly shit on Reco because of their jealousy towards their animation and competent visual staff on board.

A fine example is that IBO fags cannot claim it's better than any other show besides G-reco which they claim is the lowest of them all. Whereas, it's the opposite for G-reco.

>>15026722
i mean IBOis at least better than valvrage and that anime with the autistic egg cooker, not by much though

>>15026770
I meant Gundam shows though, but I kinda agree

>>15026722

IBOfags
>A-at least we're better than Greco

Grektards
>Literally the magnus opus of Tomino. 10/10 show.

With that said, IBO paints itself an easy target for analysis in why G-reco was good while IBO is bad. You can simply put the two next to each other and look at what they do differently.

I don't personally do this because I don't want to create any cross series flame wars, but I can totally understand why people would do this, and it would be an entertaining writeup.

And yes I think greco is one of the best Tomino shows of all times.

>>15026917
I agree. It's obvious which had more talented or at least competent staff working on their show. It's mind boggling to think people praising IBO's visuals when comparing with G-reco of all things. I'm not a reco fag but I could at least enjoy the competent choreography, art and animation of reco. Though I still like some sound effects from IBO.

>>15027403

I think IBO is a pretty average show. It's not mind-mindbogglingly bad or anything, but it has a lot of wasted potential because of the studio playing their cards too safe and spreading the story too thin.

Like, it tries to show the horrors and seriousness of war, but it's so childish in the way it portrays it, it often comes across as glorifying it instead. The initial idea of a "mature" just isn't there in practice because of this (then again I never understood this argument that IBO would make a more "mature" Gundam. Haven't people seen 0079, Zeta and Victory?)

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are the Moons the Jap stand in? Will they try to reconger Nan King?

>>15026917
>>15027403
>>15027427

The thing is, both shows are abysmal in their narrative. G-Reco's is a frenetic mess where a bunch of characters go on a round trip to Venus with each step along the way being paved on slapdash reasoning, ultimately coming back where they started without much of anything of importance changing. IBO on the other hand has a clear course where's headed - and it labours to get there, repetitively, bashing the audience over the head with telegraphs of its next move, and squandering far too much screen time on exposition and character 'development' scenes that don't build much of anything. The former ends up a jarring, loud, and colorful mess where too little is explained, while the other is spartan and colorless where too much is explained.

Where G-Reco actually works is that Tomino is a competent storyboarder and the visuals were a real focus of the show, adopting a pointedly dated artstyle and slipping in a lot of sight gags and unusual, unspoken interactions of characters with their environment, such that while the tale was farcical the locations were visceral. It just also had far too much nonsensical beam spam. IBO, if it had the same level of attention to visual detail, would be a gloriously grounded installment, because it specifically eschews plasma and newtypes for muscle and steel. But it undercuts its own efforts all the time by giving the battles short shrift as a part of the story, focusing overlong on poorly developed and flat out boring characters awkwardly interacting instead, and never really committing to animating the one strength it has, the truly robot-like robots.

It's not so much that G-Reco was some masterpiece, but it picked a thing to focus on and did it decently well, while IBO has been more aimless in what it wants to accomplish.

>>15028010
>G-Reco's is a frenetic mess
Found the retard

>>15026917
>With that said, IBO paints itself an easy target for analysis in why G-reco was good while IBO is bad.
You can compare G-Reco to any mainline Gundam anime from SEED to now and it'll still look better in comparison. It says a lot when the only show that'll give it a run for its money in terms of quality is a spin-off about collecting Gunpla.

>>15026917
>Grektards
>Literally the magnus opus of Tomino. 10/10 show.
I've never seen any G-reco fag state this. Most admit that its a much weaker Turn A which is still better than the crap Banrise dishes out. It may be due to the fact that IBO is a worse version of something we've already seen done better several times before while G-reco is something only Tomino would make.

>>15028019
Yes, frenetic. When you take leaps and bounds across the solar system, constantly adding more barely-written characters and factions then dragging them along just because, changing to new suits every few episodes, and skipping whole swaths of time you can call it frenetic. And no, it's not a matter of not paying attention or misunderstanding, I got the narrative just fine. But just because reasons are provided for whatever insane thing happening doesn't make them reasonable or well-written ones.

Give you a simple example - the party at the tower. Some guests are arriving early, so the show is started early with a couple claps. Now you can say, oh, they were already prepping for the show so the dancers were in costume already, etc. But does that really mean they were sitting there spring-loaded waiting for a CLAP even if it were ahead of schedule? The music keyed to begin with it without a single hesitation? And then just as quickly it's over, and what was even the point?

>>15028073

>Give you a simple example - the party at the tower. Some guests are arriving early, so the show is started early with a couple claps. Now you can say, oh, they were already prepping for the show so the dancers were in costume already, etc. But does that really mean they were sitting there spring-loaded waiting for a CLAP even if it were ahead of schedule? The music keyed to begin with it without a single hesitation? And then just as quickly it's over, and what was even the point?

Wait, what's that an example off? Are you asking about the dancers? I think they are there to show what the culture looks like in the Greco-verse, so you can go "oh, so that's what how they put on a show for important people in that place".

So I don't think the dancers are important to the plot, but they serve the purpose of showing the viewer a bit of the more of just what its like to live in the grecoverse.

>>15028090
>so you can go "oh, so that's what how they put on a show for important people in that place"

I think his entire question was why something as insignificant as that was worth such an inordinate amount of focus.

>>15028113
That and just the general bizarreness of this series. Things just happen suddenly and are gone again, serving little purpose but to be noisy splashes of color for the sake of being noisy and colorful. Why would dozens of girls be ready to charge out on stage, hooping and hollering, well ahead of their scheduled performance time, just because the director suddenly made a particular noise? What kind of rational sense does that make? Even something as insignificant as that is poorly structured and just there to be there.

In larger scope, you have factions tossed in that serve no real purpose in the narrative, and are only portrayed by a handful of people. What was the function of having the whole bit with G-IT Lab? Why do they just let people come test their experimental mobile suits, and end up running off with them? Why are there 3-4 factions on earth, another 3 on Towasanga, another 2-3 on Venus Globe, and why is nearly everyone that has a name being dragged along behind the Megafauna crew wherever they go? Why suddenly drop all weapons to go pick up debris and get really competitive about it, only to get chastized by locals? Is this a war or a bunch of kids playing with robots? Yes, there are 'reasons' these people are doing what they're doing, but they're shoddily constructed devices in service of a plot that seems to just keep hopping from notion to notion, never really stopping to explore or develop the shit it just introduced an episode or so before. And so we barrel along, through places, people, factions, mobile suits, populating a world and 'showing what it's like to live' there, but leaving everything ultimately two-dimensional and pointless.

>>15028438
>Why suddenly drop all weapons to go pick up debris and get really competitive about it, only to get chastized by locals?

What do you mean? They didn't really have a choice in the matter. Their supply of photon batteries were threatened

>>15021792
>1
the guy behind the glass holy fuck

>>15028113
>entire question was why something as insignificant as that was worth such an inordinate amount of focus.
This is basically how I feel about the series as a whole.

>>15028010
Here's the thing about G-Reco's narrative, I feel it reinforces the moral of the story. It feels lacking in the usual story-telling techniques, instead I feel it's trying to provide the audience with just the information so that they can figure it out for themselves. Rather than just listening to one faction provide their side of the story in this war, the Megafauna take more of an outsider's view as they attempt to make sense of what is going on. As each side is trying to paint themselves as the heroes, Aida and the rest see things more for what they really are as they travel around the solar system learning why everyone is going to war.

And in the end, with they are the ones going to try and work things out with diplomacy while Bellri fucks off to see the world. They're working to make sure things don't boil over again, their real work is just beginning while the self-titled hero Luin Lee is enjoying his happy ending. The war solved none the issues whatsoever, whereas through understanding the Megafauna seeks to prevent this from happening again. It's the same message as the original Gundam, just without the use of Newtypes or sequels that say "humanity learned nothing from the previous wars."

Least, that's my reading of it.

>>15028010
>it picked a thing to focus on
BACKPACKS

>>15028033
It's different from Turn A (and King Gainer for that matter). What it lacks in character it makes up for in how strongly it conveys the themes of the show. The "feel" of the show being similar to Turn A and King Gainer is superficial and probably comes from the fact that the art direction is similar and there's plenty of time given to the down-time.

It's far from perfect but you're missing the point if you think Turn A is just better.

>>15022141
That shit is a direct copypasta from the ANN article

>>15028775
Which ANN took from Yaraon rather than the original source, which omitted a bunch of content. Hell, there was a bunch of complaints that it was a poor translation as well.

>>15028775
>>15028795
>ANN sources
check this >>15027971

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>>15028634
PACKS

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My Noredo

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>>15030104
did they ever explain if she was related to the space pope?

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>>15030395

>Noredo Nug was the pope's secret bastard daughter

Ohhhhh
Now his behavior towards her makes sense.

>>15030104

>fucking your kuntala snack

Why

>>15030422

I don't think that was ever confirmed. Besides, space pope was a cool dude.

>>15030480

Nah, only Tomino knows. But the pope always went out of his way to notice her, and he was too cool to be a creeper. Conclusion: a secret familiar bond.

I guess you could also argue that the reason Noredo is attending a nice school even though she apparently lives in a low status Kuntala quarter is further proof that she had some assistance getting a scholarship.

>>15030422
Popes can have brothers and nieces, you know.

>>15030480
>>15030511
it was nice to have a pope in an anime who wasnt crazy and evil

>>15030514

Objection!

We know the pope isn't a kuntala. There's no way they'd pick a low status citizen for pope. Noreda believes she's a kuntala.

If one of Noredo's parents were related to the pope, he or she would not be a kuntala, making Noredo a half-kuntala. Since Noredo never comments on this, and considering that being half-kuntala probably makes you "not a kuntala" anymore, and considering that she lived in the low-status kuntala quarter (meaning her family had to be low-income), this implies that Noredo's relation to the space pope can't be that simple.

>The pope was just nice to Noredo because she was a kuntala
Unlikely. I believe there's a scene early where Noredo is together with Manny, but the pope only takes notice of Noredo in special.

>>15026722
If you're not completely new to the board you'll know that people who go around acting like G-Reco is a masterpiece of a show are exactly the same people who have been shitting on every show since G-Reco stopped airing. They don't even try to deny this and they'll obviously move on to the next show when it starts airing the same way they moved from Build Fighters to IBO when it started airing.

The the whole thing with G-Reco is that people spent years complaining about how there's too much CG and lazy animation in modern anime. When G-Reco showed up with a massive animation budget that allowed them to do a very hand animation heavy show they feel the need to defend it to their dying breath no matter how bad the writing was thinking that if it's seen as a failure, it'll be the last show with that much money for hand animation. Another way they try to convince themselves that G-Reco was more successful than what it actually was is to shit on every other Gundam show that has come out since then.

IBO obviously has it's flaws and any attempts at claiming that it's fans deny the issues with is mostly just G-Reco fans trying to straw man. However the main difference between fans of IBO and G-Reco is that while IBO fans will admit the show has it's flaws, G-Reco fans refuse to admit the flaws even when the director/writer himself has admitted to them.

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>>15030566
>All dis strawmanning

>>15030623
>Thread contains several posts making the claim that the writing was not just fine, but great
>"strawmanning"
Yeah... Absolutely famfam...

>>15030566
As another anon in this thread has stated no G-Reco fan has done any of the shit most of you faggots keep saying. They like G-Reco as it is the problem only arrises when retards like you keep claiming it as the worst Gundam series ever or stating that it has "bad writing" without explaining why either out of fear of looking stupid because the answer is right there or to save face hence why you always hide behind the article of Tomino saying he was disatisfied with it despite the fact that Tomino is highly critical of his own work. Sales data is just to show the hypocrisy of journalists citing G-Reco as a failure and calling IBO a success despite the fact that IBO only sold 200 more units more than G-Reco and had a harder fall hell if you look at G-Reco's numbers in comparison to any mecha TV anime released this decade its exactly the same.

People who like IBO don't even bother bringing up flaws because they're still delusional over the show they were promised and never got hence why we keep getting the same shit like how McGuillis is the best Char ever or how much S2 has "improved" just to further delude themselves whereas G-Recofags like the show as is and if you have a problem with it then go and actually make an argument over why G-Reco is bad.

>>15030635
>People saying that the writing is great and explaining why
>THIS IS WRONG BECAUSE I THINK IT HAD BAD WRITINHG
>Why?
>Because I say so
Were you trying to prove a point? You do realize we expect you to explain why G-Reco is poorly written and not fall behind outdated memes

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>>15030643
don't engage desu

>>15030643
>Someone tries to argue against something
>Means they're automatically right
I guess this is what you get when you start giving kids medals just for participating...

>>15030636
The whole thing about the plot was more or less talked to death when the show was still airing and soon after so not every post that points out the writing issues is going to contain an essay on all the flaws in the writing.

Most people who talk about sales data anymore do so to shit on IBO and I haven't seen anyone compare IBO and G-Reco sales data for months. Besides, failure and success in business terms isn't solely based on sales figures of DVDs, there's also the cost of actually making the shows (IBO was obviously much cheaper to animate) and sales of merchandise like gunpla.

As for the flaws in IBO, people who defend it admit to the flaws in the show all the time and I've never seen anyone claim that McGillis is a good Char type character. The only group I've seen stubbornly refuse to admit any of the problems in a show are G-Reco fans. I know it can be hard to comprehend to you that people might enjoy IBO and still admit to it's flaws, but that actually happens.

You're free to enjoy G-Reco, but stop getting that wound up when anyone brings up the writing issues already...

>>15030720
>Means they're automatically right
Yes because you failed to point out the flaw in their way of thinking. That's essentially how debates work.

>>15030720
Then your not proving anything. Saying something is shit is not an argument senpai.

And rightly so. Because retards like you believe that IBO was this huge success when it barely did any better than the previous three shows thar came before and since gunpla sales data are never released its a worthless element to bring up.

That is a bold face lie right there on all the points you've made. But continue your strawman I'm sure somebody will take you seriously eventually.

>>15030780
Not to mention, the whole assumption about IBO being cheap to animate. Excuse me? How the hell do you know what they've spent? Just because it doesn't look good doesn't mean it was cheap. SEED cost 2.5x per episode to make than the average anime and look at how the non-Remaster looks. Considering the animation directors that left after season one for whatever reason, it's more likely that it's a problem with the staff rather than just not having enough money.

For fuck's sakes, this is the show they're pushing as the next big thing. The Gundam that they're spending a lot more to promote. It wouldn't make sense if they cheaped out.

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>>15030395
fuck off

>>15030643

The only reason people have ever given with any consistency regarding G-Reco's writing being 'great' is because apparently the series is so real and lifelike when it comes to depicting characters and there are innumerable little nuances that you need to pay attention to pick up and it so dense, every single image has so many things going on. Because Tomino made it, that makes it great, logic be damned.

It's a bunch of retrospective pap intended to embellish the show's mediocrity. If you weren't selective in order to satisfy your bias you may discover that plenty of people have raked this show over the coals for a good reason.

>>15030720
>The whole thing about the plot was more or less talked to death when the show was still airing and soon after so not every post that points out the writing issues is going to contain an essay on all the flaws in the writing.

But in the threads 9/10 times whenever someone would bring up an alleged flaw it would be revealed by others that the person just missed something in the show. For example, people constantly complained that the show was disjointed and had bad writing because Bellri went with Aida "for no reason", even though we see him get ordered on screen by Cumpa to do it. G-Reco absolutely had flaws, Ringo was pointless, they needed an extra episode because the ending was rushed, etc - but the issue is that people would say that it is total garbage and then cite reasons that were just wrong.The 10% of legit criticisms always get buried by the 90% of bullshit.

>>15032125
>Ringo was pointless

Hoo boy, you better prepare yourself for people coming out of the woodwork to claim his existence was necessary to the story, because that's what happened whenever someone happened to bring up the fact that he existed to do nothing but orbit around Raraiya.

>>15032121

> Because Tomino made it, that makes it great, logic be damned.

The reason you listed before that was a reason why G-Reco is a really good Anime. These same people are'nt defending Garzey's Wing after all. Now if you point out that that kind of density is staple of Tomino shows then sure "Tomino made it, that makes it great" but that's only because Tomino consistently is a great director in how dense everything he does is.

>>15032132

So filling a show with utterly superfluous dross in an attempt to give it substance makes it great?

>>15032130

I liked that Ringo joined. Too many gundams become to "gundam-pilot" centric. The fact that Bellri had a squadron of wingmates to back him up felt more realistic.

Actually, what upsets me is that the policemen from Venus didn't get more attention. They were basically three talking mobile suits to me.

>>14998258
It clearly needed to be 52 episodes. Thats all

>>15032130
Ringo was necessary because him and Kerbes made up the best part of the show.

He didn't really do much but he did add to the fact that the Megafauna was a collection of pretty much every faction and the crew included anybody willing to look beyond their own faction's interests.

You could remove him and not lose anything relevant to the plot, but he was an entertaining character on his own so I'd say that justifies his existence.

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>>15032347
>Actually, what upsets me is that the policemen from Venus didn't get more attention. They were basically three talking mobile suits to me.
Their most memorable moment was getting into an argument with the MP Montero pilots, getting bopped on the head, and insulting them for having wings in space.

>>15032130
>inb4 ringo is the audience surrogate

>>15032132
>These same people are'nt defending Garzey's Wing after all
I mean it's one of the funniest shows I've ever seen, that's worth something

>>15032831
Mah ningem

>>15032654
That was Ringo and Kerbes.

>>15032654
I love this scene

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Mask a dumb

Just watched first two episodes
There were a couple points where I felt like the pacing was weird, hell, even the very beginning of the first episode I thought I had accidentally opened episode 2 or 3, but overall the visuals were amazing and the characters seem endearing so far

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>>15039373
mask a cute

>>15040572
Worst Char clone next to Zeharto

>>15040952
Nothing is worse than Neo.

>>15039373
Maybe but he still trashed the G-Self in it's highest power, using what amounted to be a suped up grunt.

>>15041142
>highest power
Surely you mean low on power.

Watch out for eagles.

>>15032136

>utterly superfluous dross

G-Reco does'nt have much of that. Most of it is nuanced world building and helping to develop multifaceted characters who don't just feel like a collection of tropes.

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>>15039373
manny plz

is this worth even watching at all? all the ratings are pretty bad.....

>>15041844
it has really high quality animation, but that's about it.

Really if you're a true /m/ fan you would be watching it because it launched Ippei Gyobu's career as a mecha designer.

>>15041894
im pretty picky about what i watch so i guess i shouldnt watch it as il only be disappointed. The MC is a femboi, is that a redeeming factor?

>>15041844

And SAO is rated 7.8/10 on MAL, SEED Destiny 7.4. G-Reco is different in terms of storytelling, and it's a case of love it or hate it. I'm not going to make some big case for it, but one of the morals of the show is that instead of listening to what other people tell you, it's important to see things for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

>>15041913
It's a really visually fantastic series with great character designs and nice fights
From what I've watched so far the characters are great too
The pacing is the biggest problem, sometimes it feels like things have been skipped over but it doesn't happen every episode
The other thing is that you have to pay attention to what characters say, there isn't a whole lot of explicit exposition

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>>15040159
Good on you anon

>>15041913
>im pretty picky about what i watch
That's fucking retarded, if you're picky in terms of what you like you can't rely on others to tell you what to watch at all. Just adapt a strict policy of dropping things you don't enjoy instead.

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Raraiya a cute

>>15010850
This
Especially with all the eating and drinking

Its actually incredible well made

>>15044572
>that fucking seat cover

best megafauna crew member

>>15017537
Long hair Manny, best Manny

>>15042626
No bellri that is your nee san

what happened to the G-IT's ship though?

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>>15047413
probably returned to Venus Globu

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>>15039373

>>15002865
That Capital Army guy is the best boy.

>>15048079

Poor Mask Tai had a terrible day that day

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>>15039373
he's lucky he has a handsome face

give it to me straight, if i watch this will i waste hours of my life il never get back?

>>15048928
Yep.
It's good looking. Most of it is very well animated even if some of the editing gets a little squirrelly on one or two occasions. The story, on the other hand, is patently absurd. Everything revolves around a set of quasi-religious taboos that anyone over the age of 12 could clearly see are just bullshit superstition meant to hide something. This, of course, is intentional as Tomino has a very low opinion of religion and thusly constructed the fictional religion in his story to be utterly impossible to take seriously (but then he has his supposedly highly intelligent main character take it absolutely seriously).
Remember that scene in The Wizard Of Oz when the "wizard" is revealed to be a guy with a microphone hiding behind a curtain, but still tries to have the huge floaty head say "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN, I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ."? It's like that. All of humanity depends on space batteries that come from space, but PAY NO ATTENTION TO ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATION. These batteries are brought to earth by an orbital elevator but DO NOT GO NEAR THE TOP OF THE ELEVATOR and so on.

You are expected to believe that this system remained intact for a thousand years until this one bumbling idiot with an absurdly powerful mobile suit goes on what amounts to a renegade school field trip to find out what's really going on up there. Then the guy who's been secretly leaking tech to the people on the earth falls down a hole and everyone collectively goes "What do we do now? Go home, I guess." and the show is over.

But there are lots of pretty lights and sound effects. And a few really nice mobile suit designs and a few really stupid ones. And every backpack in the show inexplicably only works on the main character's ridiculously powerful gundam, regardless of who built it or which mobile suit they developed it for. So if you like backpacks that make flashy special effects and cool sounds, go right ahead and watch it.

>>15048994

>Everything revolves around a set of quasi-religious taboos that anyone over the age of 12 could clearly see are just bullshit superstition meant to hide something
>People break the taboo
>Massive war breaks out as a result

Yeaaaaa

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>>15048928
the very same could be said of all anime friend

>>14998258
Why was the MC just allowed to turn coat every three seconds?
I never thought Id want a gundam to have more evil adults but administration between both earth factions were even bigger push overs then Brighto. just let the MC do what ever the fuck he wanted when ever he wanted.

>>14998258
a lot of the suits in this show reminded me more of medabots then gundam

>>15049003

Pay attention to the story.
>Bellri is loyal to capital guard (not to be confused with capital army)
>Cumpa tells him to allow Aida to escape so he can spy on the pirates
>With the pirates he ends up participating in a pair of MS battles mostly by mistake (they were investigating the G-self when they got attacked).
>Bellri doesn't mind fighting the Capital Army, because they are in his opinion a rogue military force and taboo breakers
>Bellri earns the pirates trust through this
>Bellri later reunites with his mother and Aida's dad. Aida's dad and Bellri's mother agrees that the conflict is getting out of control. Bellri now also has his mother (and superior) approval to join the Megafauna
>Megafauna and the part of Capital Guard still under control of Bellri's mother join hands (this is when Kerbes also joins).

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>>15048998
im not sure the SAPCE WAR SPACE WAR SPACE WAR was a direct result of the powers breaking the taboo. The way I see it the war and the breaking of the taboo were byproducts of the regional powerjockeying and to a lesser degree technological advancement that was going on at the time.

the taboo was probably put in place in an era with a lot of leftover doomsday weapons and a lot of desperate and uneducated people. maybe like a "no nukes" treaty that was put in place so that all life on Earth wouldnt have been offed, after a few centuries people forgot why they followed the treaty and just sorta filled in the blanks with their own mythology.

>>15048998
>Massive war
this is a G-Reco thread, anon.

>>15049022

First of, remember that CU-cordism isn't an Abrahamic faith. It probably has more in common with Confucianism than a western religion.

CU-cordism was about controlling the arms race of nations by choking their energy supply and fairly distributing solar batteries to all nations so no one can get an edge over the other. CU-cordism was created in a response to a few things
>Highly destructive wars of the past
>A need to reduce environmental strain on the planet (this technically precedes 0079)

Controlling energy was the main thing, but there was also a freeze on astronomy and technological development (particularly weapons such as MS).

CU-cordism was a minimum of 500 years old though (though some of its ideas were even older). Over time it became more and more ritualized and its rules morphed from pragmatic rules based on experience to religious taboos. Sure it seems silly to us, but it also seems silly to be forbidden to eat pork and white bread. That's religion for you.

In my opinion Tomino doesn't "invent" something new when he made SU-cordism. He just stole stuff from existing religious and gave them a new paint job to fit his setting.

>>15049021
i will admit I really tried to choke it down as fast as I could and was probably drunk as fuck.
I googled Moe just before watching this series and was kind of distracted by useless character interaction

>>15049041
I do love me my shellfish

>>15049041
>Stole existing religious stuff
The show is called reconquista, its a literal reference to western religion/politics.
Demonizing Witchcraft (Science) is a direct reference to Christians and Muslims. Astrology/Astronomy (Which were once fairly synonymous) was an actual thing after the fall of rome.

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>>15049041
>In my opinion Tomino doesn't "invent" something new when he made SU-cordism. He just stole stuff from existing religious and gave them a new paint job to fit his setting.

well yeah that's fairly obvious just from the ED

>>15049065

Christians aren't the only ones who has used laws and dogma to impede progress. For instance the Chinese completely crippled their naval presence by banning shipping and the Japanese were strictly controlled the development of fireams after the sengoku era.

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>>15049050

This handy charter will help you keep things straight and allow you to focus on the fun useless character interaction that really sells the show in my opinion.

I think the biggest stumbling block with G-reco is the Capital Guard/Army divide. It confuses a lot of viewers and as a result makes Bellri look like a crazy turncoat.

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>>15049077
it was weird, sorta like the wehrmacht/SS divide but with the marine unit of a local police department

>>15049077

Oh, and colonel Cumpa is the major wildcard in the story. He's the guy inciting the other factions by giving them the technology to invent weapons and through politics and manipulation.

Also keep an eye on Klim Nick and Mask. These two guys have their own personal aspirations that make them act independently to the rest of their respective forces.

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>>15049069
btw, that ED is God-tier

G-Reco is fun, that's all that matters.

G-Reco is 10/10

>>15049041
>In my opinion Tomino doesn't "invent" something new when he made SU-cordism. He just stole stuff from existing religious and gave them a new paint job to fit his setting.

You ever read Asimov's Foundation? SU-Cordism is pretty much ripped from The Mayor's chapter of the first book.

>>14998258
So, what's the big problem with characters?

>>15049948
Theyre not naked more often

Again, I must ask, why even bother with these threads? Any >le epic trolling
tactic you are going to be using, has already been used ten thousand times.

What clever line will you be using next? Complaining about the
>the world is not square
dialog for the ten thousand times?

I haven't even seen the damn show, just the identical threads /m/ keeps pumping out. Yes, you are trolling the tomino show, since tomino made it. I get it already. Now get some new material.

>>15050118
By your logic food,tv,movie,etc critics are trolls.

>>15050184
Well yeah. Man if i were eloquent enough id be a critic. Easiest fucking con ever

>>15049948
You have to pay attention to understand their motivations

Anyone have a warning shot webm?

>>15049272

I have, except the prequel book. It was pretty long ago so I didn't notice any similarities (also the religion played a fairly minor role right?).

Anyway the concept of a religion that bans technological progress is hardly anything new.

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stay warm and happy this Christmas eve anons, even you shitposters

>>15012339
This could take me back to 2D fap...

>>15009845
>Raraiya is like a female Loran

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>>15052494
I dont really see it anon

>>15016445
Wasn't zero-G. She was doing them as they entered earth's gravitational pull because she thought it would help her get used to gravity that wasn't artificial. She even said as much right before engaging in pull-ups.

I want to impregnate bellri

>>15052654

Actually she does pullups at her introduction in Venus as well.

But she was probably accelerating forwards, so she'd experience resistance as a result anyway.

>>15016445
Dont real astronauts do a lot of exercise to stave off muscle loss and osteoporosis?

>>15056582
yeah, they're increasingly doing so.

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10/10

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>>15057199
mack knife? more like mack wife

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>>15057199
Wish I had more webms of this show

>>15058166
https://gitgud.io/nixx/WebMConverter

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>>15058187
Hey now, if you give me that then how can I expect to be spoonfed?

>>15058166
shes a cunt

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>>14998258
g-reco will forever be known to me as 'the only gundam you couldn't sit through'.

Everything in it felt like a parody of every other work in the franchise. They take every element to a logical extreme that makes the concept jokey.

Prime example :

Q: "How do the pilots deal with extended battles?"

A: "Seat toilets."


There is a jokey counter to every element that made the other franchises interesting to the point that sitting through it without hardcore drugs is just an act of masochism.

>>15058668
what about g-savior?

>>15058668
There are multiple pilots who would kill for seat toilets

>>15058712
>g-savior
g-savior is terrible

>>15058668

If asked if I wanted the suit without a toilet or the suit with, I'd go toilet every time.

Man needs to shit, and I rather do it in a toilet than in diaper (that shit starts to chafe).

>>15058668
I don't understand. Seat toilets are normal. The only kicker was that there were four people in the cockpit at the time.

>>14998258
OP G-Reko is a masterpiece 10/10

>>15060131
Bellri don't give any fuck to cliched anime tropes

>>15060131
When you gotta go you gotta go

>>15059530
I hope marc curran rapes you on your own bed

>>15058668
FUN FACT:
Tomino is incontinent.
The cockpit toilet was inspired by the fact that he had to get an old-people chair with a built in shitter since he's too old to make it to the bathroom in time and thought it would be convenient for MS pilots.
Not even kidding.

>>15009130
>If Bellri's moral belief and ambitions was to not take a life, being forced to kill would be a "loss" for him.
If this was an actual thing for Bellri then he was even worse at it than Kira. the latter never casually cockpit-shot people or killed them with 'warning shots'.

Of course, Kira never actually said he was never killing anyone again, so.

I kinda wanna rewatch this in the near future. Whatever happened with those BD changes (particularly the final ep), was there anything significant enough to bother DLing it again?

>>15058772
Kira was in the Freedom for 3 days when racing to Alaska according to the official timeline. There's shit somewhere, either in his cockpit or in his pilot suit.

Just something to think about next time you rewatch Seed.o

>>15063794
>implying he didn't just put his Mobile Suit into hover mode, pop open the hatch, lean out over the edge and drop a turd into the ocean.

In reality though,
>implying Coordinators have to poop
>implying the universe's most perfect, flawless, god tier Coordinator has to poop

>>15063618

It was. Midway into the series Bellri makes a point of not sniping with his long range backpack since it's too dangerous (for the enemy pilots). He also prefers cqc because of this, since it's easier to dismantle people that way.

Of course Bellri isn't a super coordinator, so he's more flawed in his execution. It's a big part of Bellri all the same, though people don't say it out loud.

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klim is pretty stupid

>>15063661
Just some quality fixes, that's all. Not worth downloading it again if you're gonna get the BDs anyway

>>14998258
>>14998871
>>15000525
Didn't Tomino admit in an interview that he dropped the ball with G-Reco and it was total trash? Why are Tominofags still defending it?

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>>15065534
>ANN

Why are you still quoting what that shitty site says also Tomino ALWAYS shits on his works, he even said that it was a mistake to call Syd to design the mecha for it . The important thing is that he liked it unlike Victory in which he'll forever be ashamed of it even up until the BD release of it when he said "why would anyone buy this?"

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>>15063618
That's because in G-Reco, non-lethally disabling a mobile suit is as difficult as it should be. It should be incredibly hard to use beams of superheated plasma to damage something enough to stop it working but not enough to make it blow up or to kill the pilot, especially when that something is actively dodging and trying to kill you in return. Bellri isn't perfect because no human is perfect - Kira is able to flawlessly disable every enemy with no casualties because SEED is poorly and unrealistically written in comparison to Reconguista and its characters lack essential humanity.

And the >warning shots were fired from beyond visual range, Bellri couldn't properly see the suits he was shooting at because they were far away in space and he was laying down suppressing fire. One of them just failed to avoid the incoming shot - and in this way showing that Bellri isn't perfect, he made a mistake and didn't even realise it, but that doesn't devalue the fact he's trying (really very hard) not to kill anyone. It's showing that even with the highest morals every human has flaws.

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>>15065299
More like pretty pretty

>>14998258
>nothing of importance happens in this show
>watching anime for important plots
Anon, If it has cool mecha doing cool things that's all that matters. That's the whole point of mecha animes.

>>15066325

That image doesn't look like the face of someone who's 'trying very hard' not to kill anybody.

If anything it makes him look like he's half a breath away from going on a rampage.

>he made a mistake and didn't even realize it

Well, he didn't exactly care about the lives he took bar Dellensen, and even that was swiftly brushed under the rug.

>>15066344
You never really get over your first especially if its someone you cate about

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>>15066344

>swiftly swept under the rug
>character literally vows to not fight to kill for the rest of the show

>>15067707
>really cool windup
>moment of impact is shitty one-frame motion tween
Did nobody think this scene through?

>>15067734

I've been wondering about scenes like that as well.

I've seen people claim it's a bit of commentary from Tomino: "When the technology of killing becomes to advanced, we lose track of the violence it causes"

But I guess it might also be cost saving. They only show the key frames necessary for the viewers to understand what is going on and skip the frames that would cost too much to animate. That would have been a pretty canny way of saving budget (and Tomino is definitively doing some miracle work with the budget in greco).

>>15067743
>I've seen people claim it's a bit of commentary from Tomino: "When the technology of killing becomes to advanced, we lose track of the violence it causes"
I don't think even G-Reco threads have that much overthinking to them.

I understand the mentality behind putting the animation into something that takes a fraction of the time to look decent, but the total lack of impact makes it ultimately look like garbage.

>>15067745

Yeah I don't really buy it either. Sounds like fan overthinking. That's why I'm guessing it's actually a budget thing.

>>15067707
>>15067745
>>15067753

Though, looking at it again, did anyone else notice how the punching hand actually switches between frames? It's the wrong hand that punches the suit.

Why is G-Reco so perfect?

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shit girl

>>15067759
>Why is G-Reco so perfect?

Perfect ? No, not by a long shot.
Better than Brain Power D yes.

>>15067762
Sexy

>>15067755

And it's not even accidental. At the last punch frame the hand suddenly switches from being the right one presented to us to the left one doing the punch in the next animation. It's intentionally the wrong hand being shown to us.

>>15067755
It isn't. Watch it again at half speed: the right hand glows, then the left hand, then the punch.

>>15067776

Yeah but you have to go half speed to clearly see what's going on properly. There's an intentional element of confusion in the animation.

Logically it makes sense to throw a feint in a battle of course, but from a director's perspective, he's also feinting the viewer.

>>15030720
>comparing sales data for Gundam shows as if they serve any financial purpose other than selling model kits
The franchise has always been the world's most elaborate plamo commercial - it's the Gunpla sales that people should be looking at. That being said, I really have no idea how the G-Reco kits did, other than that Bandai apparently had low expectations for them.

>>15067768
I FUCKED YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR SISTER YOU DAMN JAPANESE