Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ

>OP1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw-X8DkdZhM

>OP2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNjf0OeMCkA

2nd least favorite series. My first is CCA.

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>>14998118
Ha!
CCA is not a series.

>>14997449
I loves OP and ED this show

>>14997393
I think it turned out well-enough considering all the behind the scenes issues. Kinda get the feeling at times Tomino was writing by the seat of his pants. Judau is my second favorite Gundam MC after Uso.

>>14997449
why is char in the opening? and why is he yawning?

>>15000850
>WHADDAYA MEAN IT'S NOT ANIME

>New-Glemmy's role was supposed to be for Char

You know... This makes so much sense I'm astounded it never occurred to me.

Man, that woulda really made a difference. Wow.

>>14997393
Half the heads in this image look photoshopped on

>>14997393
>Char was supposed to play the part Glemmy played in the second half of Gundam ZZ

holy shit this actually makes sense

also wasn't glemmy just an underling of that fag with the rose in the very first few episodes?

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I love it

>>15000888
>also wasn't glemmy just an underling of that fag with the rose in the very first few episodes?
At least, until the episode 14

at what point does ZZ get more bearable?
I am at ep 6 and jesus christ, the plot is stupid as hella. Like everyone is drunk

>>15002958
episode 19

>>15002958
>at what point does ZZ get more bearable?
>I am at ep 6 and jesus christ, the plot is stupid as hella. Like everyone is drunk
>>15002958
Never. Its the worst uc gundam. Theres a reason its always left out of the canon.

>>15002976
>Ever. Its the best uc gundam. Theres a reason its always be placed inside the the canon.
agree

>>15002958

It becomes bearable midway through the series.

However, that second half of the show still suffers terribly from continuing to have that same cast of horrid characters. The junkyard kids, I mean. I actually enjoy the villains in the show.

Any place to wtach ZZ at?

>in b4 google

Hoping that someone would just have a link offhand.

>>14997393
I don't like the way the characters in the back are staring at me. Especially Beecha.

>>15003575
You can stream it off a site like kissanime or you can d/l it from nyaa or bakabt.

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>>15003575
Torrent it, you goober.
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=660257&showfiles=f808b034
Or alternatively, you can put up with 10 THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT [Topic] (NUMBER 7 WILL SHOCK YOU), you can watch it on Kissanime
http://kissanime.io/Anime/mobile-suit-gundam-zz/

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talk of bitches

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Why are ZZ girls so sluts?

>>15006117
cuz tits are not longer bound by gravity

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>>14997393
Judau is a gentleman in evening clothes.

>>15006117
Judau is alpha MC

>>15008088
Honestly, Judau is probably my favorite gundam protagonist, he's just so chilled and outgoing compared to his angsty newtype brothers of the past. Not knocking on Kamille or Amuro, they are both awesome too, though i can relate to Judau more

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OTP

>>15006277
Chara was the best girl

>>15014799
Stop, Puru is a pure virgin and promiscuous

>>15002958
>>15015544
never

>>15016504
Holy shit anon, then gundamrager has created a new retarded thread with this same shitposting. Fuck off, this dumb rager really doesn't know doesn't know when to stop.

>>15016533
exactly, he did it again.

>>15002958
>I am at ep 6 and jesus christ, the plot is stupid as hella. Like everyone is drunk
>>15015544
>I'm currently watching ZZ Gundam and while at times it makes me laugh, deep down I think it's terrible.
>>15002958
>at what point does ZZ get more bearable?
>>15015544
>At what point does the show get serious?

hey samefag, are your retarded, right?

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Judau fuck him

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>>15016615

>>15006117
She was my first waifu

>>15008988
I also really like Judau, especially because of its aggressive personality.

>>15002958
It gets slightly better when they get to Earth and then goes completely to shit again when they leave Earth for space again.

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why is guy with the rose so stupid?
he's pretty boring and keep shouting out blindly, ''Haman-sama'', ''Haman-sama'' and more ''Haman-sama''.

>>15006117
It was the mid 80s, Japan was seeing MTV for the first time, and Madonna and other MTV video sluts had a huge impact on repressed Japanese culture

>>15017814
>why is fag with the rose so stupid?
Marshmallow was the comic relief and the stereotypical Zeon knight rolled into one.

>>15017824
>80s
yeah, there is no censorship, and genitals were visible in the shows.

>>15017835
>Marshmallow was the comic relief
I always thought it was Puru

>>14997393

That's probably because Char was originally set to climax his character in ZZ and was replaced after CCA was greenlit from what we know. We don't know much more than that, but there was a translation that gave a bit more info a few years back: http://pastebin.com/0SkxGTUt

Mind you, there may have been other story ideas between that and the iteration of ZZ we got, but that was the apparent initial one.

>>15019165
I really miss hgundam... ;_;

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Zeta Zaku

>>14997449
>Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ OST 1

>OST 1 # 01 - Tobe! Gundam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7ucnfxoCQ
>OST 1 # 02 - Arghama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdGIIVRe1lI
>OST 1 # 03 - From Sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFoKkeTmYp4
>OST 1 # 04 - Junk Town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VTt23ezqOw
>OST 1 # 05 - Haman Khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6dsBTIKaz8
>OST 1 # 06 - Awakening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAYuaFlvE5o
>OST 1 # 07 - Gallant Char
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GsQSJzmd1A
>OST 1 # 08 - Shangri La
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlQykcFtUsQ
>OST 1 # 09 - Endora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt5OJkBVakQ
>OST 1 # 10 - Masshima Cello
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbyVGdVu43s
OST 1 # 11 - The Rumbling Conspiracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9S3jIIKRs
>OST 1 # 12 -The Threat of Zussa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGmTwuwh99M
>OST 1 # 13 - Mystery Girl Roux Louka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-x4mAMo3A
>OST 1 # 14 - Its Not Anime (Instrumental)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftMDkg-KbA

>>15020216
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ OST 1

>OST 2 # 02 - From Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2uzsBKPlLI
>OST 2 # 03 - Neo Zeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuFFwLMhe9Y
>OST 2 # 04 - Vortex Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAO0rfn-6wo
>OST 2 # 05 - Haman Khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6dsBTIKaz8
>OST 2 # 06 -Gundam ZZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YI2EYSfnYs
>OST 2 # 07 - Setting Sun over the Battlefield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srVT9JX3D3k
>OST 2 # 08 - Contact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqLa1J2ANkM
>OST 2 # 09 - Friends of Shangri La
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yPMbpS5TRM
>OST 2 # 10 - The Invisible World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mtfVEo1U-Q
>OST 2 # 12 -Mobile Suit Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgeqhSMYdIo
>OST 2 # 13 - Grief
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn9JVXv0NIU
>OST 2 # 14 - A Young World (Its Not Anime Instrumental)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_uAkFYUfk
>OST 2 #15 - Judaus Tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a34hEuhsFXQ
>OST 2 #16 - Surprise Attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP8wQsLOXNs

Note: missing the tracks #01 and #11

>>15020216
>>15020288
Tks based anon

>>15017848
>Only character more infuriating than Reccoa and Quess
>Comic relief

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MAL hates ZZ

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>>15020882
>ZZfags are so autistic they have to base their opinions around a website no one has any reasons to give a shit about

Hilarious.

>>15020906
>In actually anon is pointing out ZZ is shit based on MAL scores.
If you're gonna talk shit at least do it right.

>>15008988
Judau is my second favorite gundam MC, after Uso.

>>15009811
Absolutely haram

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Haman has the soul of a lover

>>15021000
>Judau. Come with me.
>I can sense you Judau.
>To meet such a good guy.
>Your mere existence is annoying me!

She had fallen completely for Judau and did not hesitate long.

6 waifus: Haman, Chara, Elle, Puru One, Puru Two and Roux

JUDAU! JUDAU! JUDAU! That's my boy

>>14997393

I'm pretty sure Char was going to be the artist who wanted to fuck Roux during the desert arc.

>>14997449

Both OPS are pretty good

>Mfw keep hearing SILENT VOICE as SALAD BOY for some reason

>>15021000

>Judau never fucked Haman
Still mad, he could've stopped the war with his dick. Did he and Roux deserve one another?

>>15017848
Yep, Puru was the major comic relief on the show

ONII-CHAN DAI-SUKIII!
PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU
ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH! ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH! ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH! ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH!
PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU PURU
ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH! ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH! ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH! ONII-CHAN JEWDOUGH!

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Puru a perfect loli

>>15016440
Ple

>>15020882
MAL has shitty taste

>>15021042
>Still mad, he could've stopped the war with his dick. Did he and Roux deserve one another?
Judau was a believing man

>>15019165
Look at that sexy legs.

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They had sex, right?

>>15026417
What happens in Moon-Moon, stays in Moon-Moon.

But seriously weird shit happens there.

Information from: http://kaito2198.blog43.fc2.com/blog-entry-344.html

Link is apparently transcript of the initial ZZ proposal from "Mobile Suit Gundam Daizenshuu Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ", a book which can be bought on Amazon.jp (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/4061784129?pc_redir=1404543247&robot_redir=1)

Zeta Gundam Part 2
Yoshiyuki Tomino

Story

This is the story of 13-year-old Judau Ashta maturing as a mobile suit pilot as he comes into contact with Manibaring1, either remnants of the Titans or an auxiliary force sent out by Haman Karn. He will be the one to become the first Newtype2, then travel to Mars after leaving a message for the people of Earth.

1 My best stab at マニバリング. It doesn't seem to be a real name. Maybe someone can do better.
2 The implication seems to be that Judau will be the first true Newtype, which I guess is part of where the "most powerful Newtype" thing comes from.

Beginning

The battle between the Argama and Scirocco and Haman has ended and Scirocco is dead. With the core of the Titans gone, the Earth Federation forces began uniting under the AEUG, but they were in disarray.
In the middle of the previous battle, Char disappeared.

>>15026761
The dying Argama drifted to Shangri-la, a colony in Side 1. In the middle of postwar destitution, the people of the colony corporation were oppressive and peoples' daily lives were difficult.
Despite Bright and Emma's efforts, getting the necessary raw materials to repair the Argama was difficult in Shangri-la. Kamille, accompanied by Fa, was transported to a hospital.

Shangri-la's Judau Ashta is not a good kid. He follows a gang of delinquents called Gigar. Seeing the wounded soldiers of the Argama, they think of hijacking the lightly-defended ship. Judau shakes off Bright and Emma's resistance and steals the Zeta Gundam.

Meanwhile, the men of Manibaring, a unit sent out by Haman Karn, hurry to persuade the colony and set out to engineer the destruction of the Argama. Haman has decided that it will be necessary to accustom her subordinates to the Earth Sphere; they are all young. Judau is taken in by the persuasiveness of the Manibaring's staff and briefly moves to destroy the Argama, but Fa and Emma convince him otherwise and he decides to protect the Argama from Manibaring instead. However, to the amateur youth's grief, even though he's riding the Zeta Gundam, it doesn't go well.

Shinta and Qum become extremely emotionally attached to Judau and, wanting to somehow make him capable of fighting, become compliant to him. Judau tries his hardest to protect the Argama from Manibaring's sabotage a number of times and attempts to convince his Gigar comrades to join him, claiming it's also fun to operate a warship. However, Bright decides it's become pointless to continue trying to get repaired in Shangri-la and tries to get in contact with other colonies, but the Earth Federation's forces' organization is nonsense and it's uncertain whether they would be able to get repairs in any colonies.
They wanted to return to Granada, but the Argama doesn't have any confidence in their ability to make it even that short distance by itself.

>>15026763
Development

Haman Karn's organization, Manibaring, has penetrated the colony corporation and the Argama is falling into a state where they will have no choice but to depart. Even in those conditions, as he's struggling against heavy odds, Judau has come to master the Zeta Gundam. However, events have finally progressed to the point that mobile suits are fighting within the colony and Bright decides that they have to depart Shangrila in the Argama's current state of disrepair.

There, the supply ship La Vie en Rose appears.
It is able to cooperate with the Argama. However, the La Vie en Rose is vulnerable to enemy attack. Its personnel has dwindled down to an extremely small number. A young lady there, Roux Louka, offers out of good will to collaborate with Judau, whose only good trait is his vigor, but he refuses.

Part of it is that he doesn't trust her. Part of it is that he was turned down by Emma. He also felt a certain sense of obligation from having been lectured by Fa. There is also his wish that he had a mother and you could even think of that as turning into an adverse reaction towards young women.

Even more troublesome is the seed of self-importance in his beginning to feel confident in his handling of the Zeta Gundam and, as a result, he acts recklessly to try and defeat Manibaring. Emma scolds him and covers him in the Gundam Mk II, but he's uncontrollable. He acts arrogantly, for a kid. But Judau gets wounded by Manibaring's skillful attacks in space. He loses his self-confidence. Meanwhile, Emma fights in the re-outfitted Gundam Mk II and protects the Argama and La Vie en Rose.

>>15026765
A technician of Anaheim Electronics who is aware of the Argama's movements develops a second-model Zeta Gundam and transports it to the Argama. That technician, Elpow Smash, grins and says to Emma, "They say we need energetic young kids, right? He might be a Newtype, I'm looking forward to that."
Judau gets in the new model Gundam (there is some drama with struggling with Emma to get in it) and faces the enemy, but he's handicapped by his wounds, which haven't fully healed, and the new Gundam just gets damaged. Elpow Smash screams and cries at him and beats him up. Then the Argama, swallowed up by a falling out between the regular crew and Gigar, continues its evasive maneuvers. La Vie en Rose's Roux Louka doesn't help, either.
"Everyone's so coldhearted!" Judau yells.

Even with the full strength of the La Vie en Rose going towards the repairs (so to speak; the La Vie en Rose has completely become a group of kids like Roux Louka, so their work is tragic. Elpow Smash goes completely pale.) and with Emma going out in the new Gundam, they are outnumbered and, even with the new Gundam, it was difficult.

Emma may die in the middle of that sorrowful battle.

The Enemy and the Argama

Haman Karn, who has maintained Axis, believed there was nothing to be done but forcefully push forward in supporting Mineva and fulfilling the restoration of House Zabi.
"Waging foolish wars is simply a result of people whose souls are weighed down by gravity. Why do they not follow the beliefs of House Zabi, who are spokespeople of much nobler souls? If they did, humanity could become happy."
To which, Bright gravely replied, "Do you understand that the outcome of this will be that you impose your doctrine on others and rob them of their liberty!", denying Haman's principles.
Judau thought for the first time that he could come to like Bright.

>>15026771
Meanwhile, the Argama and La Vie en Rose are hiding in Side 4's shoal zone airspace. Because of that, Judau finally explodes at the Argama, which is overflowing with war-weariness, and shouts "Get outta here! All of you!" while driving the weak military personnel from the ship. With only his former Gigar comrades, he has occupied the Argama. Shinta and Qum mediate, but it didn't help.

The soldiers of the Argama all end up on the La Vie en Rose.
From there, La Vie en Rose's Roux Louka launches a raid. (Naturally, this is a story where Bright's not around.)

The Battle to Reclaim Shangri-la

In order to drive out the people of the Shangri-la colony corporation, Bright sent in a spy and surveyed the expulsion. (I want to make it so Char is in the background of this operation and makes it a success. It will be his final gift as a former member of the Argama. In the future, he may become an enemy.)

Then, Judau is sent to board the colony and goes hunting for remnants. The result is that the Argama is able to gain the colony's base, but, after all, the revival of the fully-exhausted colony’s manufacturing facilities in Shangri-la will surely take time. Nevertheless, the colony fills the role of a sort of sedative for the Argama’s crew.

However, because the Earth Federation government itself has no desire for war, the situation does not improve.

This has come to simply take on the appearance of a battle between the Argama and Shangri-la.

Kamille has gone missing, Fa returned to the Argama.

Earth Federation Forces

Bright decides to descend to Earth in order to negotiate with the senior bureaucrats of the Earth Federation Forces. Judau accompanies him.
Speaking to the Earth Federation government, Bright tries to convince them of the conditions in space and inform them of the threat of Haman Karn, but the bureaucrats paid him no attention, saying "She says she will be satisfied if we give her one of the Sides."

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>>15026771
>"Everyone's so coldhearted!" Judau yells.

>>15026772
Then, those negotiations begin and it turns out that Side 3 has already been offered to Haman Karn.
"That’s the Side that gave birth to House Zabi!"
"Char will be monitoring Haman Karn."

Bright and Judau were shocked at those words.
"What did you say!"
Bright thought that if Char still survived, then that was also a possibility. "What if he's resolved to infiltrate the enemy, eliminate Haman Karn, and, what's more, purge the stubborn people of Earth..."

But Judau, who didn't understand anything about the affairs of adults, attacked the adults of the Earth Federation government.
Judau gets confined.

Amuro, Hayato, Beltorchika, etc. develop a plan to rescue Judau. There, they hear gossip that Kamille is wandering Hong Kong. However, there wasn't time to get involved in that.

Bright and Judau return to the Argama, but they are followed by the Earth Federation Forces. Haman Karn laughs at Bright's movements.

Haman’s Army

Just as Bright warned, Haman Karn's despotic colony treated people harshly.
The people who had already been living there were all conscripted and had begun training to participate in an operation to conquer Earth.

Judau and Roux infiltrate the colony, see that reality before their very eyes, and are shocked. They don't feel even the shadow of Char. There was simply the tragedy of a colony where only Haman Karn’s self-righteousness could be seen.

I want to enumerate melodramatic anecdotes and convey daily life in the colony.

"They're planning to attack Earth soon!"
On Judau's initiative, a plan to abduct Mineva is formed. However, they fail, but that is the melodrama.
Let it be told in tears of things such as the great efforts the people of the colony go through to help Judau.

Then, the advance of Haman's army, with Axis at the center, begins.
The panicked Earth Federation Forces request the aid of the spaceships such as the Argama that they themselves decided to label a rebel army.

While in this vicinity, anybody ever see the scenario cover for Z [star] Gundam: Char of Counterattack?
About ten years back I had a picture off futaba of it, it seemed to claim to be one of those script-looking things that had the scenario for a show

>>15026774
Or rather, by the good intentions of the people of the army that were labelled rebels, a defensive war against Haman's army begins.

Judau loses his temper at the sheer stupidity that they need to save them. But, he has no choice but to fight.

Here, Fa may fill a role similar to Emma’s.

I want to make the reason why Char doesn't kill Haman Karn during this be because, while people's eyes were on space, he was leading a unit to assassinate the top leaders of the Earth Federation government.

Final Chapter

After Char observed the Earth Federation government approving the emigration of people to space, he joined Haman Karn’s military.
Then, for a period of time, he challenges the Argama in battle as a pilot, serves the position of a sort of practice instructor for Judau and, learning of Judau’s growth, returns to Haman Karn.
Mineva is happy at Char’s return.

However, when Haman Karn’s Earth offensive begins, he shoots Haman. Then, Bright tacitly rescues Mineva and destroys Axis.

In the moment of the final battle, Judau’s will is emitted to the entire world. "All of you, adapt! Humanity will never.

fuck off Char's Counterattack fucked ZZ

>>15026773
Kamille a cute girl

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>>15026775
Has anon perhaps misread the situation?

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Fuck off, this miserable was a pedophile. Glemy had abused children

>>14997393
Is Judau the strongest newtype?

>>15028557
Fuck off with your mangled English.

>>15028570
no, it was Uso

>>15028573
Fuck off with your xenophobia.

>>15028604
Thanks Ide.

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>>15020049
>Zeta Zaku
Yeah, that was really funny.

After the first twenty or so episodes it resumes Zeta's prior dark tone, with no spoilers being involved I can assure you that it will go to dark places and cover the same familiar ground of MSG and Zeta, i mean crud it starts to get dark just a episode after you left off when Haman Karn resumes being a factor in the aftermath of the AEUG rebellion, i found it a pretty unique piece in UC because it blends admittedly dated comedy and the dark undertones of the UC universe rather effectively, ultimately it depends just on what you want out of UC though if you will find it interesting or not. Do you want to know why Mineva absently remarks on missing Haman in episode 7 of Unicorn? Do you want to know how Char came to lead Neo Zeon in CCA? This will establish the ground work for that, I mean but ultimately it just depends on how deep into the lore you want to go and what you will stomach to understand it, will you sit through another seven episodes of 'campy' sequences to get to the Neo Zeon War?

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>>15021042
>Judau never fucked Haman
>Still mad, he could've stopped the war with his dick. Did he and Roux deserve one another?
Well, it was pretty gay.

There is one thing that I did not fully understand with regard to Neo Zeon and AXIS Zeon, are both the same?

>>15029299
Shockingly similar names, but they are not the same thing. Axis is the successor state of the principality, the Zabi government in exile. Neo Zeon is the leftovers of Axis and or other groups that operate outside the legal bounds of this nation, Axis is a country, a nation, just like Side Three, it deserves to be recognized as such.

>>15002958
Once they leave the colony and get the ZZ it starts to get better.

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Puru Puru

>>14997393
>In general, Gundam ZZ a nice series.

Agreed. Honestly, not sure why its so reviled. Aside from the tonal shift between the beginning and ending, its a pretty typical show. Plus I thought the cast had better chemistry than 0079 and Zeta.

I think the thing that frustates me the most isn't the fact that it's comedic, I fucking love good comedy and ZZ is genuinely funny, but it's how small in scope it feels to Zeta. In Zeta, entire colonies were at stake, there were massive battles, and it was a war. ZZ is enjoyable but lacks any big stakes as of now (I'm at episode 15). I think about 5 or 6 episodes in we're still in that junkyard.

>>15032543
ZZ is a bit slow to start, but it gets a bit more serious after a while. Still retains the comedic relief though.

>>15029368
No, I distinctly remember there being a stupid episode even after they go to the moon and talk about circular vs square pizzas for half an episode.

>>15021000
Haman is just a empty shell like Full Frontal

>>15032585
>stupid
Mondo and Beecha are stupid

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I just finished Zeta Gundam. I about to watch ZZ, what am I in for, /m/?

I've seen all needed material prior to this series. How painful are the beginning episodes? I need some honesty.

>>15036083
see >>15017762, until episode 9

Anyone else laugh a bit when Puru/Ple died?
It's like:
>Oh. Puru died
>....
>huh.
>LETS GO TO SPACE AND KICK HAMAN'S ASS!

>>15036206
It was weird how everyone didn't really react to the event, but I figured they were basically desensitized by that point.

>>15031505
I agree with you

Roux and Judau, it was extremely forced and bland. there is no romantic or emotional development between Judau and Roux during the entire show. Haman, Puru and Elle have had much more in common and emotional involvement with Judau than Roux.

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>Puru two vs Puru
That was the great cultural struggle of the universal century

Wow Haman dying was really sad. She is kinda right that this whole thing was pointless. I mean apart from the colony drop, which is a fairly big 'apart from' did axis actually do anything bad?

>>15037785
>Roux
it's a violent tsundere

>>15037785
Roux always wanted the Judau though

>>15040548
I'm 28 episodes in and Roux has shown no signs of desiring to be with Judau.

>>15040548
I didn't realize it at no time of this show.
>>15037785
i agree

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>>14997393
ZZ is okay, but it's not something I'd rewatch.

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>>15041938
I rewatched it recently

Frankly, Glemmy must have some serious balls to do half the shit he does, don't know what makes him think he has the right to do it all.

And the stuff with Leina was just weird, don't get why he felt so driven to do it.

>>15042076
>Glemmy
MUHHHHHHHHH Roux

>>15042076
Glemy was just a weird character in general early on.

Anyone watching ZZ for the first time would give you a double take if you told them what he becomes later in the show.

>>15042076
>>And the stuff with Leina was just weird, don't get why he felt so driven to do it.

I think it was just he had romantic notions of chivalry and aristocracy. But yea, dude needed to let up some.

>>15043001
>I think it was just he had romantic notions of chivalry and aristocracy.
did you mean pimp?

>>15044332
>pimp
What is it?

>>15017848
No, Puru was the original lolicon character.

>>15045871
there were plenty of lolicon characters before that, like Minky Momo

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My waifu

>>15037785
So who REALLY deserved to win the Judaubowl???

>>15047499
>So who REALLY deserved to win the Judaubowl???
Elle, she was the best girl

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>>15047499
Puru

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>>15048169
Ple.

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>>15047499
imouto

duh

>>15048179
dem eyes

>>15048191
>imouto
She looks like Banagher
>>15048179
Smug

>>15032543
ZZ is nothing like zeta gundam so odds are you may like it. I think it really picks up around episode 15 after moon moon when they make their way to earth. which is regarded as the worst episodes and a real low point. After that the villains seem to get their act together. Mashymre transforms from a complete goof ball to a competent commander. It still has more humor to it than most gundams but after the first few episodes the silliness subsides and it develops a real plot. I regard it much higher than zeta for most the the reasons you outlined though its not as good as the original. Everyone complains about seed destiny but really its a retelling of zeta and that in itself to me seems to be part of the reason for all the hate which is ironic given the general love people express for zeta gundam.

>>15046457
you have good taste in women, Mechs are always above the waifus.

>>15004613
Don't listen to this fag. Beyond the fact that he just linked a fake site that has awful streaming quality on top of trying to give you a malware, 9anime.to is objectively better than any other streaming site for anime.you're still better off torrenting, though.

>>15048169
I wanna clean out her belly button with my tongue.

>>15047499
Puru. But both got killed and the mourning they got was unbelievably lacking. Especially for Puru 2.

isn't there a sticky on all the meta-series?

>>15048191
>imouto
>imouto route
>incest route
it remains a taboo.

>>15047499
Haman-sama

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From Zeta Define.

>>15050766
Chara is pretty funny

>>15048169
>>15048179
Shes so sexy

>>15052335
She's also 11, Glemy.

>>15052340

She's a big 11 year old.

>>15052448
4u

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Is ZZ canon?

Who the fuck is married to this shit thread to keep it bumped

>>15053467
The time for the great attempt, generalrager!!!
But you'll continue your shit posting in their own shit threads
>Is (random series) canon?
>Is (random series) really an AU?

>>15002958
No, seriously. ZZ starts off slow, although personally I didn't have anything against it as it was still good, then has moon moon, which once again isn't even that bad, or very long, but then becomes one of the best series. Its top 3 for me, and it actually becomes this Jeckyll and Hyde version of Zeta. Some comedic moments followed by some dark ones. I actually think I prefer it to Zeta now. I even pushed it off for a long time because it wasn't dubbed and I had heard bad things about it. I think on MAL I gave it a 8, so I hold it in high regard.

>>15053724
Okay, guy-in-favor-of-generals.

for Char's Counterattack do I go with OZC or Thora?

>>15054867
EG.

>>15054942
my laptop has a bad history with 10bit files, I'll give it it a shot but if it doesn't work for me what's second best?

>>15054867
>for Char's Counterattack do I go with OZC or Thora?
Get away from Thora, his subs have always been strangers.
EG is the best possible option.

>>15054963
my laptop has a bad history with 10bit files, I'll give it it a shot but if it doesn't work for me what's second best?
OZC

>>15053773
I agree, unfortunately, people like to label absolutely everything by the things they see or imagine they see.

>>15054942
EG is Top. They've made all subs for the BDs

>>15052876
Fuck off!!! And the question returns. For the last time, ZZ IS STILL CANON. Zeta: A NEW TRANSLATION IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ALTERNATE RETELLING OF THE ZETA TV SERIES from a much stoned Tomino. AS FAR AS CANON MATERIAL GOES, THE TV SERIES IS THE CANON EVENTS, AND THUS ZZ REMAINS CANON AS WELL.

>>15048241
>Everyone complains about seed destiny but really its a retelling of zeta and that in itself to me seems to be part of the reason for all the hate which is ironic given the general love people express for zeta gundam.
>>15053773
>I even pushed it off for a long time because it wasn't dubbed and I had heard bad things about it.

That's because people love to hate what they don't understand.

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>>15048169
>>15048179
What are the Puru's purpose though?

>>15060754
Judau's harem

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>>15060754

For cleaning ice cream off your face

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>>15060754

for cute

>>15060754
For sex and masturbation

>>15048241
Pretty much this

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>>15061844

>>15057023
Don't worry about that, /m/ has always had a shit taste.

Watched the first 2 eps. I really dislike judau and his retard friends. I don't even know if i care about the neo zeon thing now that kamille isn't the main character. It feels unfinished

>>15062285
It Gets Better After Moom Momm, see >>15053773

>>15002958

Same sort of boat as this guy, ZZ is a pain, but does it have more talking/dealing with cloning and cyber newtype experimentation/explanation?

We've come across super tech (funnels, psychoframe tech, cyber newtypes etc) since the end of MSG, but we've not really had much talked about it. The advancements just happen and everyone understands them and their implications. I don't want to just read a wiki page for this information.

Mondo and Beecha were retards

>>15046457
Mech designs were cool, but the series is kinda all over the place.

>>15063404
Yeah, Qum and Shinta too.

>>14997393
I had a lot of fun with him.

Tomino had some pretty weird characters and dialogue in ZZ

>>15063404
Just like kamille and reccoa

Just finished watching him, ZZ is a much better show than 0079 and Zeta.

Bright replaces the entire crew of the Argama with juvenile delinquents who never listen to him and actively betray him to Axis like six or seven times over the course of the show. Do you remember how crazy Rosammy was? Every single Axis officer in ZZ is at least that mentally ill. Instead of being constantly physically abused the teen protagonist is constantly sexually harassed by older women. Haman alternately cosplays as David Bowie, a 19th century Versailles socialite and a Marvel comics villain. Char is replaced by an openly pedophile wackjob who clones an army of naked preteen brainwashed slavegirls to serve him.

>>15068539
>Haman alternately cosplays as David Bowie, a 19th century Versailles socialite and a Marvel comics villain.
>Char is replaced by an openly pedophile wackjob who clones an army of naked preteen brainwashed slavegirls to serve him.
This may be something of a tongue-in-cheek comment, but I could well imagine that that effect might play a part.

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Poor quality

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The fuck happened to her skin?

Also, what does she say after "Kanashima Ni" in the second opening? I always thought it was "Life goes on" but listening with headphones makes it sound like "tight rope".

>>15008088
>Judau is alpha MC
ZZ really needed a protagonist who could play the straight man in the face of all the absurdity surrounding him.

>>15036083
Skip the first episode and go straight to episode 2. Episode one is a recap of Zeta voiced by Char entertaining a bunch of annoying kids.

>>15069758
Why is he lying on the floor?

>>15070168
that absolute madman

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>>15070168
>he

>>15070170
Mashymre was a Hamanfag.
>>15069973
But it was the most fun a man could have, and the girls were slutty as hell.

>>15017880
Emma Sheen was supposed to survive? Would've also been nice to see more returning cast in ZZ

>>15071126
yeah, but I prefer Rosammy to Emma.

>>15071199
Why?

>>15072575
She is not only pretty, but also intelligent.

>>15072575
Emma was a bad cunt

Fuck off, why /m/ hates Emma so much?

>>15073075
>why /m/ hates Emma so much?
because shes not a moeyuri girl

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>What are the negative health effects caused by smoking a water pipe?

>>15073550
I like Emma as the first true female Gundam pilot, because she has to fight off the enemy while kicking the blue-haired psycho in line. If the dang Minosky particles weren't there, I'm certain that she would have installed some sort of remote controlled spray bottle in the cockpit.

>>15075105
Well, Emma is a middle-aged woman who decides to plant marijuana to pay off the debts left by her husband.

>>15075113
Mid-life crisis, so she's like Haman.

>>15075151
No, Haman resembles Full Frontal the most, because both are like an empty shell.

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moon sisters were so fucking sexy.

>>15075199
>moon sisters
Fap material

>>15074042
Wait, what?

>>15074042
>What are the negative health effects caused by smoking a water pipe?
He goes crazy like Chara

>>15022399
She was very stupid and she'd have to break a lot of taboos before doing so.

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>>15042076
What kinds of emotions do losers have?

>>15076275
>What kinds of emotions do losers have?
Ask Glemy or Treize, because they know the subject better than anyone.

>>15040979
I just got past that part and you're wrong. Elle and Roux are always fighting about Judau
Elle would have been fine too

>>15052876
According to Unicorn it is So, no. It isn't.

>>15076651
Did you mean Elle and ''Ple'', right?

>>15076672
>So, no. It isn't.
bullshit

>>15076672
Source?

>>15076651
Elle picks fight about maps and whatever, Roux doesn't acknowledge it's about Judau.

>>15076678
>>15076704

Elle and Roux fight over what to do with Judau after the Leina thing. Roux snaps at Judau and talks about how she thought he was cooler and a better man than he was acting after that. Roux doesn't give a shit about the other guys on the Argama and wouldn't yell at Beecha or Mondo like that.

>>15075199
One of them got killed by falling debris despite said debris completely missing them

Still confuses me to this day

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>>15077486
Rasara sacrifices herself to protect Mondo in episode 41. It was all Stampa's fault, a dreamy, evasive drifter who wanted to have a young women harem.

>>15070170
Mashymre is so stupid and retard that he inspires pity in the other antagonist

>>15077929
I love him

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>>15046457
good taste

>>15078639
Holy shit, unbelievably beautiful

>>15075199
I want to fuck them

>>15077401
Are you picturing this in your mind?

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Puru fanservice

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>>15076672
>According to Turn A it is So, yes. It is.
i agree

>>15080292
Friendly reminder that the one in dark blue (way over on the left) is Marida Cruz.

>>15080527
Marida Cruz is Ple Twelve (she is actually a clone of Elpeo Ple), See >>15080299

>>15080744
thatsthejoke.jpg

>>15080527
But that's purple anon.

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>>15009811
>leaving out best girl

>>15081214
Kamille is one of the fuckbois of Char's harem.

>>15081263
He's pretty awesome and extremely detailed.

>>15081263
If I could stick my dick in it, I would.

>>15081106
but it's canon

So did Marshmellow and chara got cyber newtype'd, because they were too goofy?
Also what the fuck happend he happend to glemmy?
He went from some silly foot soldier with a crush on Roux to a silly high ranking member with a crush on roux to bloodthirsty tyrant that has his own army of newtype killer lolis.

>>15081490
Marshmellow GOT Cyber-Newtyped when he returned in all black. Chara was always a Cyber.

What happened to Glemy was Tomino writing by the seat of pan... I mean, character development. We saw a real character development from no rank noble who just joined the cause, to Haman's competition.

>>15081518
>by the seat of pan
the seat of what?
And I noticed that he got cyber-newtyped when he was back in black, but why did they do that to one of their leaders/commanders was it because he was too idealistic?

>>15081532
Pants. It's a phrase, look it up.

Because he was a fuck up who got trashed by teenagers who were assisting enemy who was licking their wounds. In a junkyard.

Darker tone second half of series has was most likely an answer to criticism, so Mashymre facing consequences like that would make sense, or Tomino forgot what his character was and just wanted to kill'em all.

>>15081536
yeah that makes sense, I always thought it was kinda weird for Neo Zeon to be so goofy while Haman herself is serious business herself.
It is a good way to explain a sudden character shift during the darker tone of the second half like you said.
the only thing that is really jarring to me is still Glemmy since he said he had plu-2 frozen for a year so that means he had this coup and cloning keikaku all planned out since before he was still a silly foot soldier who was all about muh Roux.

>>15081543
In this very thread its been discussed >>15017880

>>15081551
I should pay more attention, but that does explain Glemmy's sudden change in character.

>>15048169
>elpeo
>el peo
mfw in spanish that translates as "the fart"

>>15081416
I never said it wasn't. The one in purple/dark blue is Ple-Twelve, who later grows up to be Marida Cruz. Canon don't enter into it, mate.

>>15077929
He really was endearing in the first half of the show.

>>15081855
Yeah, I liked him a lot too, because while he was a complete goof, he was putting all his heart into what he was doing and was legitimately sad whenever something wasn't going his way.

>>15081855
yeah, but I still prefers Chara over Mashymre

>>15081564
>"the fart"
bullshit

>>15080744
Poor Marida, Glemy was a monster

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Have we any news on this?

>>15085392
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ: Re-Translation that fixes godawful ending, hopefully.

>>15086121
What was wrong with the ending, that plu2 died and that Jewdough fucked off to jupiter to fuck Roux?

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>>15085392
I WORK ON TRANSFORMATION RIGHT NOW
I MAKE PERFECT
YOU WILL LIKE VERY MUCH
YOU WILL SEE IT PERFECT
I MAKE ZZ GUNDAM BE RESPECT AGAIN

>>15085392
I still have a unfinished MG ZZ in the box somewhere. It has that bright red plastic parts that was common back then, so painting is essential.

>>15086128
Glemy was a mistake and last portion of episodes was just poor version of battle for Gryps.

Haman's defeat was rather anti-climactic, I wanted something more grandiose and something that makes more sense for such a great villain.

>>15086164
YES KATOKI, MAKE PERFECT ZZ OR YOU RECEIVE BOMB. UNDERSTOOD?

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trape Judau a cute

>>15086467
>Glemy was a mistake and last portion of episodes was just poor version of battle for Gryps.
I agree

>>15081986
The bad taste is very annoying, but not at all painful.

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Poor Kamille

>>15087181
I like her and I want to have sex and a relationship with her.

>>14997393
I'm watching it right now, and I'm enjoying it (relatively). It's true that the early stuff is pretty campy, and the Char clone sucks, but I've grown to like the characters and the more serious tone it develops. However, from lurking around this sub, I find people love Judau and claim he's the most likable, but I think he's the whiniest so far. Kamille=best girl.

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>>15086467
Glemy was a lolicon

>>15090714
How far into it are you, because Kamille was way more whiny then Judau.

>>15088985
Kamille looks like a vegetable

>>15093565
A big improvement.

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How did she end up like this?

>>15080527
And that is why Purus are for hug not for fug.

>>15094246
Newtype semen.

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>>15047499
Haman

Mostly ZZ is just tomino Trying to distance himself from Zeta for the first half, as most of it has some comedic tones that contrast Zeta. Also Judau is a departure from Camille, Judau feels like he belongs in a Super Robot Show.
As for Mineva, she doesn't feature much(from what i recall) and most her appearances are simple and short lived. So Watch ZZ if you wish to know the fate of the Argama, it's crew and Hamman after Riders in the Skies, otherwise you can just skip to CCA.

>>15095309
Anabolic steroids

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Some of you guys are alright.

Don’t go to Dublin tomorrow

>>15095309
So much better than the original.

>>15097000
>Don’t go to Dublin tomorrow
This is a humanitarian disaster brought about by the genocidal policy of Haman.

>>15094246
>How did she end up like this?
Amuro's sexual impotence

>>15036083
/m/ exaggerates everything. A few years ago, you'd be told that ZZ was complete shit and that you should skip it entirely. Then you'd be told that it was the best Gundam ever and that you should skip Zeta to get there. Then you'd be told that it was pretty good, but that the Africa bits sucked and you should skip them. Apparently now you're being told that the first episodes are bad, but that the Africa bits are good.

It's the Gundam that comes after Zeta. It's a bit sillier than the Gundams that came before. There's a bunch of nicely choreographed fights and it will end with a battle at an asteroid fortress. Sometimes people glow because they're newtypes. That's should tell you pretty much all you need to know.

>>15042954
When I was watching ZZ, I actually looked up Glemy about the second (third? fourth?) time he did something stupid over Roux, because I'd forgotten which suit he piloted. I certainly did a double take.

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How to write a happy end wrapped up in a civil war horror?

>>15074042
Watching Chara's death scene very much reminded me of Noriko in Gunbuster. You know what I mean. Despite all the evil things Haman's done in Zeta and ZZ I still feel pity and remorse for her. It wasn't easy for her, if only certain people had played a better role in her life she wouldn't have been set on such a self-destructive road. Also it's interesting to see Lalah's ghost as apart of the group that protects Judau. I guess she's the guardian of all Newtypes eh? The great swan in the sky. The ending is a lot more happier this time around, much happier. Seeing Leina and Judau finally reunited again brings me so much cheer.Watching this again has made me appreciate the ending much more. Thanks guys and gals. Y'know I've not gotten around to watching Evolve or Frag. I'll have to dedicate a day to watch all of them for all the extra goodies that come with. God this dub is so bad it's good. Goodbye Haman. May you rest eternal beyond the time. I do kinda feel like it was a tad rushed, but to be honest there's not really much else to explain without making more episodes. I do wish however, that Judau could have somehow saved Haman from her fate, though it would have kind of gutted that whole heart-breaking scene. Oh well.

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I hate Glemy

>>15091941
You'll find that Judau and company are pretty intolerable in the first quarter of ZZ Gundam. Half way through he does shape into a good protagonist, however. Judau is probably one of the more level headed protagonists in the Universal Century, since he basically accepts the incompetence of his allies and throws everything on his own back when it comes to keeping his allies alive. For the sake of understanding Char's Counterattack, all you need to know is that the Federation basically surrendered spinelessly to Haman and Neo-Zeon in the events of ZZ Gundam. To the extent where Neo-Zeon dropped a Colony on Dublin and the Federation just shrugged it off as population control. Neo-Zeon was defeated from their own internal strife, and through the efforts of Karaba/AEUG.

>>15050766
>Chara in Z Define
I heard Kitazume was shoeing in ZZ characters, but Chara is the last one I'd think of. Do Glemy or Mashy show up at all?

>>15100890
Chara just showed up last month, so anyone else might follow from now on if Kitazume resumes the pace (he was on a break for months, closer to a year than half a year, and the latest chapter was obviously unfinished).

>>15048383
Actually, I'd say animesoul.tv is best. If you know your hotmalez, you can download one page, edit out the adverts, and watch a whole series with the saved html. Their player can access any of a series' episodes in one shot.

>>15094275
>And that is why Purus are for hug not for fug.
That would perhaps be very good, but it has been tried and has failed.

>>15100857
>You'll find that Judau and company are pretty intolerable in the first quarter of ZZ Gundam
That is a given, but after that they were pretty cool, unlike the zeta crew who in my opinion kinda stayed shitty the entire way through.

>>15068539
>bots are literally reposting things from other places

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?676693-ZZ-Gundam-best-Gundam-anime-or-best-anime-ever

I also saw a bunch of these posts in the Z gundam thread

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Elle > Haman > Ple > Chara > Leina > Puru Two > Roux
Elle was a best girl

>>15062019
>VA literally said she was designed to appeal older audiences

>>15102030
>unlike the zeta crew who in my opinion kinda stayed shitty the entire way through.
Can't fault them, most of them had some kind of psychological problem such as PTSD and emotional stress.

>>15102079
fap material.

Chieko Honda:
Amu from L-Gaim
Ennil from Gundam X

+ fap material

Anime Janai is the best Op in Gundam´s history.

The series.. well is just OK, trying to be fun at the beginning and at the middle goes serious and got a good finish.

>>15102110
I don't really know why do people hate ZZ so much?

>>15102117
Tone whiplash, but mostly shitposting

>>15102117
I don't like it because the comedy part of the show wasn't funny and the characters were extremely unlikable or annoying like Puru.

>>15102123
>the characters were extremely unlikable or annoying like Puru.
I like Puru. I personally think Roux was more unlikable and annoying than Puru.

>>15102120
basically as G-Reco

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>Artificial Newtype Girls

>>15102182
Rosamia is so sexy

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>>15094246
Char 2.0

>>15103160
Marshmallow Rose

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Puru

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Judau and Haman

>>15094246
brother complex and she got into a fight with 80's fashion

>Glemy makes the Purus
>to gain so much support so quickly, he probably gave away some Purus as sex slaves.
>tfw there'll never be a story about a Puru raised by an elderly Zeon bigwig who wanted grandchildren but can't cause his only son died in the OYW and he's too old now to fug so he raises the Puru slave as his own granddaughter.

>>15103205
>sex slaves.

Marida

>>15103213
Marida was a cyber newtype who ended up as a sex slave regardless. These purus were never cyber newtyped. Just cloned and sent off to have their artifical poons stuffed with Zeek sausage.

>>15103215
see >>15080299