Muv Luv

>>14978723
As for me, rolled first gacha and got ssr Yui. Rate up my ass.

>>14978726
I rolled 3 gatcha for SSR Marimo and got only 3 SR not even good for the event

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>>14978723

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https://exhentai.org/g/1001125/583abbf010/

>>14978723
the new OP TSFs broke the game. I'm stamina abusing now and i don't even care if i get banned.

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And here I thought I could update one tsf with just one xm3. How naive.

>>14978919
i abused all the bugs from the start

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As usual. New 4koma awaiting our translator anon.

>>14979149
>TDA Characters
Finally.

>>14979012
>trying to waste it on a SR

>>14979256
well my two ssr tsf aren't eleggibile for OS upgrand

>>14979355
Wait till next week then. They plan to release XM3 upgrade for few TSF every week when new event starts.

>>14979149
New Operating System XM3 implemented
This will increase TSF capabilities?
2nd Lt Sendou Yuzuka
Lt Tatsunami Hibiki

Wow! They move better than before!

*rapid TSF servo noises*

We also adjusted personalized skills for each pilot.

Skill? This?

with a single press
[Skill Activation]
[DANGER]

Lt Tatsunamiiiiiii!!!

[Skill Activation]
S-11 Suicide Attack

Kaboom

*May have different effects to what is shown ingame.

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What do the new icons with the weapons on them that you can trade in bronze points for? I bought a sword one and I can't see anywhere to add it to a TSF or pilot nor does it show up anywhere in my inventory...

>>14981227
Used for XM3 upgrading.

>>14978723
I wish I cared about this game so I could get a Kei card.

>>14981354
I thought that's what the power/technique/speed blocks were for. Also upgrading to XM3 is ridiculous compared to what in the VN amounted to a program update. It is a gatcha game though. I don't think I'll be playing much longer, it's getting stale already.

>>14981366
Do you have about $500 in disposable income to potentially get said card as well?

>>14981386
Those are needed too. If you don't want to grind and have a good team, you can get an android emulator to record your steps for everything. I do that for all kinds of grinding without all the effort.

>>14981386
PTS type is one thing
TSF weapon type is the other

>>14981386
Yeah they probably killed the games lifespan it probably won't last more than a year or two because of the powercreep.

>>14980289
You missed the title.

>>14981528
whoops.

Something akin to Self-sacrifice

http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b237752229

you niggers know how to glue, right?

>>14978860
So little Mubrub art in there. Sigh

>>14978919
Stamina abusing?

New gacha garentees a XM3 TSF?

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>>14981771
>gacha
>guarantee

>>14982204
No, every new name I see in the Gacha that gives at least a guranteed SR at the least has gotten a XM3 TSF. Every single one.

>>14981771
>>14982204
>>14982221
They always do those 100% SSR Gachas so its not much of a surprise to do a 100% XM3 one.

The catch is that you're paying around 5000 yen (45 usd?) for your fancy XM3 TSF, pretty much the same price as a retail game.

>>14982231
Oh yea. I'm still gonna wait till they either release my SSR and collect all the XM3 I can or just pump up a bunch of SRs

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They added the fort laser in the manga. And now there's more than one.

>>14982201

this new event is nearly impossible with only SRs. even with the best frend unit I can only clear with less than 10 seconds left, and sometimes the ai will just decide not to attack the boss so then it's impossible.

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>>14982864
I manage to S rank it without xm3 tsfs half the time. With this squad (3 SSR pilots but 3 HR TSFs), I just A ranked it with 1min25sec left. With a xm3 ally, I S rank every time.
I focus on boosting my attack and forget my defense, Minori aoe heal is enough.
Kill the four big betas to trigger the boss and click on it to try and force them to attack the boss only.
But is 30sta really the best node?

>>14982864
Really? I use 5 T SR none of them above level 65 all are piloted by max level SR Pilots and I S rank hardest mission on Auto more times than i don't. And When i don't I still manage to get entire squad still being alive.

>>14982967
with this I can't even outdamage the boss self heal if the friend unit doesn't attack.

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>>14983061
forgot image

I need better stuff but I don't want to roll the gacha because I'm afraid as soon as I use all my gems they'll add something I want even more. I have some upgrade items too but I don't want to use them for the same reason.

>>14983069
Limit Break your TSFs first.

>>14983069
Do you even roll Friend Points Gatcha?

>>14982864
i'm doing it with only SR Inia, debuff the boss defense and kill it without any SSR XM3 etc

>>14983147
I have 366k points but there aren't any sr characters I really want so I'm saving them.

>>14983152
did you upgrade her skill? I got tired of that event so I only ended up with one copy of her.

>>14983259
Roll them nigga. They haven't added anymore characters to the normal gacha. All of them are going to be in the g stone gacha.

Anyone else getting a weird ass glitch where choosing to not continue on a loss causes the game to think you chose to continue instead? I seriously lost like 3-4 of my G elements from this shit.

>>14983272
No. The game is glitching for me though. My stamina won't go down after completeing a mission. It started happening since 50 mins ago.

>>14983259
>sr characters
You could roll some HR/SR TSF too. That would help you.

welp, 207C is shapping up rather interestingly

Minori: Sniper
Akaru: Machinegun
Misaki: Missile
Iyo: Shield
Rinka: Sword

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I wish there were more doujins of pic related.

>>14983747
She kind of disgusts me, but to each their own.

>>14983259
no, i didn't upgrade her skill

>>14983259
Roll these friend points. Only cards in that gatcha are ones available at launch of the game.

One Inia is enough at level 60. Just put her in leader position to avoid her wasting it on any enemy that isin't a boss. She does 40% defence debuff to one enemy with her skill at level 1.

>>14983587
I wish they release SR version of Iyo and Misaki. Otherwise completing this squad will be a bitch.

Unless they give those special gatcha tickets that let you chose one SSR or SR cards from the pool.

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Welp I got all the gold medal rewards.

>>14984245
Keep farming them. As usual they will add new SR TSF or SR Pilot in the mid of event.

My bets are saying this will be Yuzuka to keep it with TDA theme of this event.

>>14983587
Did you manage to roll that Rinka Lavender Fubuki durring event? Because I'm looking at gem gatcha cards list and I don't see it in the available pool ATM.

Sadly I missed my chance to get it.

>>14984265
sadly, I missed the rinka one, but I'm extrapolating since I rolled the Minori one and the other three were handouts.

>>14981388
Yes, actually. I shelled out for the Kei daki for the ML KS.

>>14981578
>http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b237752229

I can't believe it's still going for 9500 yen broken like that.

>>14984383

Would have shelled out for a Yuuhi daki if she was available.

>>14984182
so you can't get the SR F-14s or the shirnui ICs? I still wouldn't want to spend my points in that case since I don't like the fubukis.

>>14984474
This game really loves Fubukis and Shiranuis doesn't it?

>>14984590
It's almost sounds like they favor Japanese TSF.

>>14984033
Why?

>>14984182
Ah, yeah, it goes a lot faster now with her as leader.

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Clearing is easy, even pretty comfy, with a team like this. As long as I have a T ally I dont need an XM3 to damage the boss

>>14985636
What does that battle item do?

https://twitter.com/spider7741/status/804664939705081856

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Tekkaman, is that you?

>>14985711
best muvluv protagonist and best va.

fuck I got a gold chest but got an connection error before the rewards screen

>>14984817
Nah man, it's the fact that every event has specifically those two, there are plenty of other Japanese TSF's they could use.

>>14985679
I have one two but I'm hesitant to use it as I have no idea it does something by a percent but I'm not sure what.

>>14985697
That brown butt

>>14985679
It's a force field that protects object in deffence missions for a short while.

>>14985878
You know that till now only 3 events including current one, had TSF as rewards that are 4 in total.

2 Fubuki, 1 Su and 1 Shiranui. Rest was SR rank girls.

And these SR fubukis are supposed to be signature TSF of Strike Frontier heroines. So they wanted to get these out of the way before giving us new ones.

Besides. Japan don't have that many TSF models thst deserve SR rank in comparison to USA or even Soviets.

Fubuki. Shiranui, R type Zuikakku, A and C type Takemikazuchis. Also Shiranui and Fubuki are only models that can have missile variants.

>>14986098
There's also the Japanese versions of American TSFs.

>>14986119
I though he was talking about TSF from events.

Anyway speaking of diffrent TSF versions.

I eonder when they going to evet add Tornado and Mirage. And Freedom Fighter would also be a welcome sight.

>>14986098
I still don't get why fubuki is SR and most shiranuis are HR

>>14987075
First Shiranuis while being 3rd generation TSF they also are low end machines that are near imposdible to modernize with new tech. Fubuki came after them. And while they are technically weaker, Fubuki also are easier to modernise and upgrade in comparison to Shiranui that needed a special reseach and development program to design new type of Shiranui that isin't total fuck up.

And I don't get it how Zuikaku can be SR despite them being outpreformed by 3rd generation but there are 3 that got this treatment.

>>14985256
She has an ugly soul, and she's a huge cunt.

Also, I think she goes overboard with her sexy, to the point that she's no longer sexy. You know, too much of a good thing.

>>14987098
>Fubuki also are easier to modernise and upgrade in comparison to Shiranui
according to what? I thought the game said they were basically junk and repurposed as training units.

>>14986840
SERIOUS WAR DRAMA

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>>14987467
Lacross is a battlefield anon.

>>14987155
Type-94 is that you?

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>>14987497
REMOVE LACROSSE REMOVE LACROSSE YOU'RE THE WORST SPORT EVER

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>>14985697
>Tarisa masturbates while thinking of Yuuya
Poor VG.

>>14987423
No. They were designed to mainly be a traning units. With beter durability than Shiranui that requires insane skill and precision to not malfunction because rookie hamdled it to roughly dirring traning

What is the best way to farm poverty gems?

>>14987545
Has the VN finally blown the fuck out of that Watanabe cock sucker yet?

>>14988724
Considering that he considered Axmann to be the lesser evil, yes, without a doubt it has.

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>>14988735
People were saying before the VN that Beatrix wasn't a bad person:

>>说是反派么在黑标里面确实算个反派了,然而动机其实不是很反派。
>>其实这也不怪贝姐

>Yes, she's considered to be the villain of Schwarzesmarken, but her motives themselves aren't villainous at all.
>In fact, Bea is blameless.

She's actually quite noble if you think about it. It's one thing to be good because you're incentivized to do good like Katia, it's another to try to try to be a good person when you're incentivized to be evil instead, and doing good deeds is dangerous and always leads to pain.

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>>14986840
>>14987497
>>14987639
Why is Japan so obsessed with this shitty sport?

>>14987687
What?

>>14989461
I actually seriously wonder that myself.

>>14989461
my school had a lacrosse team. it's a lot cooler than soccer.

>>14989693
>soccer

>>14989796
>qualify your sport's name with "association"
because there's already two other footballs
>get mad when people call it soccer

Pilot power creep fucking when?

>>14992478
Well I heard they plan in December to implement some kind of Passive Bonus if a Pilot is paired with favorite/signature TSF. For example Meiya cards will get bonuses whenever she will be piloting Purple Takemikazuchi.

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>>14979256
>>14979012
+2000 health
+500 attack
+4000 defense
passive skill (def +5%) and cost +5
I guess I'll wait.

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TODAY IS THE DAY /m/EN

TODAY IS THE DAY THAT WE WILL TAKE JAPAN BACK FROM THOSE FILTHY AMERICANS

NIPPON STEEL BEST STEEL
BAKA GAIJIN GO HOME

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>>14987639
Airshit is the best shit

>>14988752
Sexiest main villain ever.

>>14992825
>Still uses American Technology

>>14992825
You'd be goddamned Commies without us. Every holier than america, ass blasted country in the world would be Fascist Commies without us, they just refuse to accept we're their errand boys and that we're damned good errand boys. Won't be like that much longer because we'll probably be fascist commies soon too, however.

>>14992901
Can't do shit with the UN (-and by that I mean the US) backing them up.

>>14992951
*without the UN

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>>14992951
WAITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>14992825

Versions of him in both universe aren't portrayed as horrible people and the narrative does what you to sympathise with him... But for some reason I can't help but hate his guts.

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>>14992762
Are any of the upgrade SR good?

>>14992977
I honestly took it as he was supposed to be condemned for being an idiot but sympathize with him for being a misguided honorabru nip.

>>14992969
Is spawned from our F-15? -and here I thought the Chinese were the goto Asians that make shitty bootlegs, I guess you Japs do too!

>>14992993
*that spawned

>>14992977
>But for some reason I can't help but hate his guts.

There are way, way worst people in Muv-Luv, but Sagiri doesn't have their positive traits (like intelligence or good looks).

>>14992991
He's not outright evil like let's say Beatrix or Christopher, but people are more likely to forgive or sympathize with a character who is intelligently committing purposeful evil rather then someone who commits inadvertent evil through stupidity.

>>14993005
>Sagiri doesn't have their positive traits (like intelligence or good looks
He was blinded by loyality and his looks are equal to takeru's imo.

>>14993014
Takeru is kind of derpy looking in the original VNs.

>>14992978
>tfw I still don't have any TSFs that can be uprgraded.

>>14993029
He actually looks pretty similar to Gundam Seed Kira, minus the hirai face.

>>14993014
I think by good looks, he's referring to either Master or Beatrix, who are both extremely attractive individuals, whereas Sagiri is conventionally (and boringly) attractive. Even Axmann is kind of attractive if his anime-only fangirls are anything to go off of.

And his extreme loyalty is more annoying then a positive (from a character standpoint, not a personal or moral).

>>14993044
They got the same voice actor as well

>>14993082
>I think by good looks, he's referring to either Master or Beatrix, who are both extremely attractive individuals, whereas Sagiri is conventionally (and boringly) attractive. Even Axmann is kind of attractive if his anime-only fangirls are anything to go off of.

Attractive on the surface, ugly, ugly people underneath. At least Sagiri shows humanity, empathy, and selflessness. He's a dumbass, but a well meaning one.

>>14993175
>At least Sagiri shows humanity, empathy, and selflessness.
What is the fucking Iris-route for Beatrix then?

>>14993487
Iris grieves for her, but it's not like we're given much reason to sympathize with Beatrix from within the VN.

>>14993545
>throws away her chances at victory to fight the BETA
>throws away her career to help the 666th survive
>wanted Iris to kill her, to protect Iris from the fallout of working with her and offering her amnesty
>Isn't bitter about losing and actually encourages the 666th on her deathbed
But according to you, she never shows humanity, empathy or selflessness, huh?

>>14993566
>wanted Iris to kill her, to protect Iris from the fallout of working with her and offering her amnesty
I thought she wanted Iris to kill her just because she wanted to die, not absolve Iris.

>>14993570
>I thought she wanted Iris to kill her just because she wanted to die, not absolve Iris.
Considering her argument during that scene, she fully expected something bad to come about from Iris having mercy on her. If she just wanted Iris to kill her, there would have been better ways of goading her into doing it.

>>14978723
Does Marimo have a thing for Takeru in Extra? Yuuko jokingly pokes at it in Extra. She even mentions it was she is sending Takeru back to Altverse. It feels like she said that to lighten the mood but it's kinda weird since Marimi just died.

>>14993763
Considering that she has raped takeru when she got the chance and he has now to change schools because she is hunting her down. also love nucleus

https://twitter.com/spider7741/status/805676504478662656

... Yuzuka?

>>14993912
Yeah. Now where are the rest of the CGs?

>>14993912
>Just nude
>No sex
They're getting really lazy. I swear, Sharon better get dicked when her card comes out.

>>14989461
Not sure but I've always associated it with prestige since all the big Ivy league and private schools have them. Men's lacrosse is no joke though.

Witch mission in current event is best to farm bronze emblems? I need to get my hands on those XM3 materials.

So why is it that when I report Muv-Luv generals over on /a/, the moderation deletes it, but when I do so here, I get warned off?

>>14994744
Because we actually discuss new shit over here instead of circlejerking over old crap like /a/ does.

Also, our moderation team is pretty cool.

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>>14994744
fucking jelly faggot.

Posting best girls.

>>14994750
>Because we actually discuss new shit over here

you are delusional. you discuss nothing here. you had no discussion about 2nd SM VN.

>>14994744
Ah, so you're the asshole who keeps getting those threads deleted. Why are you even reporting them? There's nothing wrong with them.

>>14994750
>circlejerking over old crap
Who gives a shit? Let people have their fun.
>we actually discuss new shit over here
That is a lie. The ML threads here on /m/ have been nothing except mobage general since SF came out, except for one thread that discussed Martyrs. On /a/ people make things, draw things, write things, and translations happen and get linked. There was no discussion about the Kirke LN here, but there was on /a/.

>>14994775
Was there really anything worth discussing though?

Half of /m/ doesn't even think that Schwarzesmarekn is Muv-Luv.

>>14994580
the lowest one.

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>>14994805
>Half of /m/

Why is /m/'s ML thread always such a graveyard?

>>14994874
Because we usually only post if we have something worthy of discussion. Our threads move slow because they can move slow. They don't have to constantly be fed with bumps.

>>14994874
They lack passion. And most of them just care about the mechs and not much else.

>>14994805
Because it is not. SM happens in Alternative universe but it is not Muv-Luv. It does not carry and deliver same massage, ideas and themes.

ML one of the main messages are Ultra nationalism is bad. But more important theme is Love,not just romantic one but also friendship and comradery. Emotion that can be a drive to continue fighting even against overwhelming odds. That it something that make you human and let you save the world. That love some have toward ones that are gone, is still motivation and consolation in pain and ray of hope in all misery and destruction. That it is something that transcends time and space.

SM on the other hand glorifies nationalism and shows how love is something that bring more pain and despair into life than joy and people will take advantage of it.

>>14994990
SM is more realistic though, love means shit in the face of war and turmoil. In their situation you'd need strong and good leadership, morale, and fucking guns to survive. Love ain't gonna stop a BETA from biting your head off.

>>14994990
It also broke with the humanism themes past MLs had. The good guys are all complex, likable people with flaws (except for Katia, who's a literal saint), but every single stasi is inhumanely evil without a single good quality in them. They're evil not because they think it is necessary but because they enjoy the very act of being evil.

In ML, TE, and TDA however, there's no convenient moral dichotomy. Everything is grey, and many of the antagonist have a reasonable (from their PoV) rationale for their actions. Take LeGrane and the nukes in TDA, or Sagiri and his little coup. LeGrane was motivated by the fact that her people were all starving, and would have all died out by the end of the year if she didn't force the Americans into compromising and giving aid. Sagiri has some pretty good reasons to hate the United States too from his PoV, even if he is an ultranationalist. Even the Master in the VN has sympathetic or humanizing traits, such as when he mourned the death of Natalie, attempted to help out the refugees, and genuinely believes that Alternative V is what is best.

What do the stasi have in comparison then, except for being power hungry backstabbers who want to oppress people for no reason? They can't even claim that they're looking out for the greater good, as they turn down Western aid and refuse to completely mobilize just because their leadership wanted to maintain a little fantasy world within Berlin and its environs.

>>14995043
>LeGrane
You mean Lea Gegranne.

>>14995043
By 'every single stasi' I assume you're discounting Beatrix, otherwise everything you said was wrong.

>>14995052
I wish you people would stop apologizing for her. She's hot, I want to bone her too, but that doesn't absolve her of culpability for her actions or role in the stasi. This Beatrix dindu nuffin also cheapens her as a character.

>>14995043
You are making the same mistake everyone in SM does.

Just because someone is in STASI it doesn't mean they are evil. A lot of people are forced into it and you can't just leave organization like that. And if you don't want to be tortured and killed yourself you better play by their rules.

>>14995060
You just don't know what the fuck you are talking about and understand nothing. just shows you are not a real muv-luv fan just some casual who doesn't bother to delve deeper into the story and truly understand it.

Even elevens on 2chans are surprised why is there so much Beato hate in the west.

>>14995060
Her whole shtick is that she wants to use the stasi's power for the greater good. She defends the stasi because she thinks an authoritarian state is necessary for the sacrifices that must be made.

Unless you're basing your opinion solely on the anime, in which case there's no sense arguing as that character is a sad caricature.

>>14995048
>Lea Gegranne
You mean Léa Guesclin.

>>14995069
>authoritarian state is necessary
She believes that democracy is too slow in adopting new tactics and technology and politicians are too corrupt and fight each other for power. She explains this to Theo in Lise route when they talk in her office.

And she is kinda proven right in Irisdinas route. Iris is in coma and the politicians are discussing how they can use this to gain more power and would be better if she never woke up. They don't care about BETA they are just looking for ways how they could gain more power.

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>>14995043
>Even the Master in the VN has sympathetic or humanizing traits
>uses evidence from VNs for his argument while ignoring the SM VNs and source material
The cognitive dissonance is palpable.

>>14995095
>She believes that democracy is too slow in adopting new tactics and technology

She believes that the current military is inadequate when it comes to adopting tactics and technology, and points to the new anti-Destroyer missile system as an example. It's a belief she picks up from Jurgen, actually, as he had many arguments with Katia's dad over tried and true tactics vs newer ones, and even lost a few friends because the military was slow to adapt to the BETA. She sees Heim as the very apex of this sort of NVA buffoonery. She actually kind of compliments the West in experimenting with new tactics, even if she believes they are inefficient in other ways.

>politicians are too corrupt and fight each other for power
The new government launches a purge of all stasi and their major collaborators after the rebellion, and actually uses the Holzer Battalion (which the 666th is apart of) to hunt down disloyalty, much the same way the Werewolf Battalion did. Also, the Commiserate is still around and has taken up the job of insuring loyalty among the civilian populace and military, all things which Iris would have thrown a fit about were she cognizant.

>>14995114
>all things which Iris would have thrown a fit about were she cognizant
She was completely fine and leading tsfs on the front line at the end of Lise route. For one reason or another she simply never had the power to do something about the new government's overarching policies, whether she wanted to or not.

>>14995126
That's because she is just a soldier and a hero. She has no idea about politics.

So I guess I need to fuck off again, since I assume people post spoilers of things I have not read yet

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>>14995132
That's why we banned them from /m/ back in 2015.

>>14995131
>That's because she is just a soldier and a hero. She has no idea about politics.
She has plenty of political knowledge.

>>14995132
Then go and read them.

Why is it so hard for people to use spoiler tags here in /m/ or in /a/ these days?

>>14995155
Too busy trying to learn Japanese and machine translations look like shit and a clusterfuck.

I wanted to ask on /a/ since they care more about this, but does anyone have a transcript or screenshots of Beatrix explaination of her plan in the Iris and Lise routes?

>>14995148
>She has plenty of political knowledge.
Seeing how wishy-washy she is between routes, she either hasn't or doesn't really give a damn.

>>14995161
The small size of the regulars makes people think that everyone already knows what's being talked about. Just like I'll assume that you know, that between routes Iris goes from killing Beatrix without thinking twice and showing only discomfort after the act, to offering her amnesty, refusing to kill and her bawling her eyes out at seeing her dying when someone else does her in.

Who is brain?

>>14995155
Must be nice to be able to read japanese. Sadly I can't. I must be in minority though, because no one seems to mind spoilers in /a/ threads when I'm visiting them, so I assume most people there arent filthy EOP's like me.

>>14995197
>so I assume most people there arent filthy EOP's like me.
They just trust machine translations more than you do. And assume that until a jap-speaker confirms something, a reasonable margin of error in interpretation is preferable to completely ignoring new information.

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>>14995209
Nah I get what he means, the machine translators are a bitch to read. I consider myself justly chastised and will return to lurking until mein waifu is insulted once more by anime only's.

>>14995161
I assume no one uses spoiler tags because this webpage would look like the Stasi got to it if they did.

>>14995186
>I wanted to ask on /a/ since they care more about this, but does anyone have a transcript or screenshots of Beatrix explaination of her plan in the Iris and Lise routes?

/a/ posted them a while ago. Theo calls her pessimistic or something after she explains her goals and how they only have a year left if Schmidt is left in power, and a couple months at best if the rebels win.

>>14995209
>They just trust machine translations more than you do.
This is what always gets me. How can they be so confident about this shit with machine translations? It's retarded to read so much into characters whit those shitty translations. Perhaps Beatrix really is more similar to the anime version then people would want to admit.

>>14995186

However, while many believed Irisdina was the lynchpin of the squadron and later, the rebellion at large, it was the very groundwork she and her brother had lain prior to Schwarzesmarken's events that would ensure that should she be incapacitated, there would be others that could carry on her personal mission. Katia Waldheim was an unexpected but welcome arrival that would set into motion the events the rebellion had been waiting for: a sufficient justification to wipe the Stasi stain once and for all.

However, their opponent was the cruel and rutheless Beatrix Brehme, and Irisdina's reputation made her the prime target for the rebellion to recapture to give hope to the people of East Germany: something that Beatrix could not stomach. And so, when Theodor Eberbach went to find Irisdina Eberbach in his base's prison cell block, he came back out empty-handed as his Captain had already been moved to another location.

Despite the fact that she was made to endure torture and isolation by Beatrix during her captivity, Irisdina remained resolute in the face of opposition. She refused to reveal any details of the rebellion or the whereabouts of her pilots, and thanks to Beatrix's wishes not not leave any "permanent" damage on her body, Irisdina was not forced to suffer under the worst of Beatrix's sadism.

After the rebels acquired the location of Irisdina's prison, Theodor Eberbach began a rescue operation as the rest of the 666th's pilots engaged the Werewolf Battalion in East Berlin. The two had a short but heartfelt reunion that was broadcast for the entire world to see as part of Operation St Ursula.

She was quickly spirited away to the rebel's base and tended to by a medic for her extensive injuries, all the while Theodor began to tell her of the events that led them to her rescue. Irisdina was clearly saddened by the loss of her friends, but hid it well from Theodor's eyes. She said that she was not afraid of dying because she believed in the 666th.

>>14995525
Irisdina reminded Theodor when the war was over, they would go to his family's summer home together where she would finally respond to his feelings.

Unfortunately, the bloody civil war refused to let Irisdina escape from its grasp. While Theodor was out putting a stop to Beatrix's murderous rampage once and for all, Axmann, ever loyal to Beatrix, infiltrated the rebels with the intent of assassinating Katia in a last ditch attempt to break the will of the opposition movement. Irisdina bravely stood in his way and was shot by him, left with a mortal wound in the stomach that Axmann said would be his reward to her for making it an "easy" kill to let her live a bit longer.

Irisdina, always the selfless one, asked those around her not to grieve for her as her part to play was over. Despite all the cruelties she had endured at her hands, Irisdina still asked what had become of Beatrix and was relieved to hear she was not made to suffer in her end. Her final request was to be taken to see the now united Berlin, with the wall now taken apart by the people of both sides.

Her last words were of relief that her dream, an undivided Germany, had come to pass. Irisdina died peacefully in Theodor's arms as he completed his flight across the now united capital.

Irisdina would still come to visit Theodor in his dreams for a long time after her death, bringing a measure of peace to him as there were so many questions he still had left to ask her. Her image remained a powerful motif for the reformed government and military of East Germany, as well as the common people of both Germanies. In a way, her death further immortalized her as one of the legends that brought upon the freedom of the people from oppression and signaled the start of a new, independent East Germany that could stand with not only the Warsaw Pact but the European Union and their brothers in the West.

>>14995525
>>14995531
>edit of a wiki article with the descriptions of Beatrix and Axmann changed

>>14995395
The japs reaction to VN Beatrix kinda back them up though.

>>14995008
In LM Love is isn't a weapon ensuring victory. Even in Alternative they develop weapons and train their skill to combat BETA.

Thing you mentioned ensure survival of humanity as a species. But Love in ML shows that it ensure survival or mankind as moral beings that are much more than animals or BETA that are just organic Machines.

And Really? SM more realistic? They just go full edge dark for that series. It's not any more realistic than what we saw in Muv-Luv.

>>14996174
>The japs reaction to VN Beatrix kinda back them up though.
What exactly was their reaction?

>>14996238
Her popularity rebounded to pre-anime levels.

>>14996253
based on what? we didn't have a SM poll yet with all the girls.

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>>14996390
Winning the SM-Maniax poll is enough proof for me. Other than that, the futaba and 2ch comments and jap surprise at the western Beatrix-hate, but I'll admit thats only hearsay.

>>14996400
But this poll was skewed in Kirkes favor since they have been making jokes about it in the stream a week before and just before the vote. Her popularity didn't just rebound it increased somewhat and Iris lost some and lise gained some.

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>>14996410
>and Lise gained some
No kidding

>>14996390
This is the only straight up popularity poll for SM I've seen since Martyrs.

>>14996419
sample is too small here. on the stream there is usually like 1000+ people who vote.

>>14996419
I'd take the sample size of ~800 hardcore fans of the stream poll over an open poll with a sample size of 96 or 48 if there are two votes per polled person.

>>14996423
Just pointing out you're right, after the second VN came out Lise gained more favorable popularity all around while Iris lost some and Beatrix rebounded based on comments from both the live streams and VN reviewers.

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>>14996436
This is the most recent poll. Its basically pinup girls for Comiket in december. Gretel was a troll vote

>>14996447
Wasn't that poll on the 11th of November, along with the one about the Duty -lost arcadia- girls? They started with the marketing for comiket pretty early this time.

>>14996461
11th sounds about right. It is the most recent poll with all the relevant girls in it.

>>14996436
Those "hardcore" fans skew the results every time by handing a majority to troll options, the last straight up popularity poll for SM on the streams Vivi won.

>>14996469
Vivi won a birthday poll. She's never won a poll where she goes up against other SMs.

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>>14996469
You can tell however which the troll option is, and interpret the results accordingly. The proportions matter more than the concrete numbers anyway.

>>14996473
He means this poll, last year.

Personally I don't hate Beatrix. I think she is good writen character. But that's it. Good. Not great not marvellous just good. I think she gets way more hype she deserves.
She is tragic character but SM have so many of tragic heroes and villains it really dimish everything she had to go trough. Theo, Lise, Iris, Pham, even Sylwia all of them had shitty past. And on top of that SM delivers even more suffering and misery to their lifes it get almost ridiculous and way to close from becoming an edge fest for people with despair fetish.

No wonder Grentel, Anette and Katia are sticking out of that loot.

>>14996694
>to close to becoming an edge fest
We're way past that point, at least where Lise's suffering is concerned. Her story goes beyond edge into straight up morbid torture porn. Literally. Its sickening to just think about everything she went through and for as long as she did.

>friend just finished reading meiya and sumika's routes in extra
>he's reading unlimited now and enjoying it
>he'll definitely read alternative when it release on steam
I can't fucking wait until he gets to CHOMP

First time on /m/ since the end of last decade

Can I get a cute pic of Irisdina?

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>>14996841
Hopefully he doesnt get spoiled about anything. I'm currently rereading Unlimited after all these years and enjoying it immensely.

Should I save up and get the XM3 OS or should I get the axe murdering waifu?

>>14996889

Nevermind, I thought we could upgrade the TSF with only one XM3 OS card

>>14996896
oh god no, you need like 3 for an SR alone

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>>14996889
>>14996896
Axewaifu's HCGs are quite disappointing actually.

>>14996902
Nudes with no fugging. The worst kind of CG.

>>14996926
I see them all as official lewds of characters from previously all-ages only works. Getting dicked or not

>>14996926

I'd say the bigger issue is that she's not instantly recognisable as herself.

>>14996936
My only issue with it is that it's all the same pose, same expression in different backgrounds. What the fuck.

>>14996949
That's par for the course as far as mobage go.

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>>14997060
True that. What about the substandard art?

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>>14996841
but the old Alternative was more impact than steam release.
unless there's R-18 patch for Alternative, then it's good to go.

>>14996926
you mean worst girl.

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>>14996694
The anime approach to her was much more fresh if you ask me.

>>14996694
>>14996726
That's why I don't find Beatrix sympathetic at all. She barely goes through any of the despair the others go through, so it becomes difficult to justify her nastiness when the others mostly remain decent people. Sure, they tried to spin her death as tragic in the VN, but some sad music won't erase the fact that she was a monster and that her death was a good thing for almost everyone.

>>14997497
>She barely goes through any of the despair the others go through,
So being raised by a sociopath who rivals Axmann, and actually is responsible for Axmann's rise to power, bullying, being forced into the Stasi against her will, losing the love of her life and being abandoned by all her aquiantances afterwards isn't despair inducing? The only people with definitely more tragic backstories are Lise and Sylwia. Iris and Theo, only barely edge her out. The rest of those with explored backstories certainly don't reah that level.

You don't have to like her, with her personality its understandable, but there is certainly more to her tragedy than some sad music at her death. And monster is an exageration anyways.

>>14997266
>>14997497
Trying to have an opinion on something you don't know nothing about just makes you look extremely stupid.

>>14997497
Beatrix isn't so much about despair, it's that at her core she's not a bad person, but due to her upbringing her worldview has gotten twisted.

If you spent your life first being used as a political pawn by your father, then abandoned to defend yourself against monsters like Schmidt and Axmann you'd probably have some issues too.

If she was truly evil like some people think, she would never have been friends with the Bernhards in the first place.

>>14997539
>Lise and Sylwia. Iris and Theo, only barely edge her out.
Yeah, but none of them are as bad as her despite being worst off, so that means she doesn't have much of an excuse.

>>14997548
I've read up a little on SM.

>>14997573
But she grew into a bad person, which tells me that she always had that potential or seed in her to be bad.

>>14997548
Why do you like the VN version better?

I've laid out why I like the anime version (as a character) in past threads.

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>>14997497

I want to actually get into Muv Luv, but the fucking hair annoys me. Help.

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>>14997883
You'll get used to it by the end of Extra, and the designs are top notch in the rest of the series.

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>>14997831
>but none of them are as bad as her despite being worst off,
>ut she grew into a bad person, which tells me that she always had that potential or seed in her to be bad.
And why is that? Because they find hope and support.While Beatrix just sinks deeper and deeper into the Abyss because there is no one there for her. Take Theo for example. At the begining he is a paranoid jackass, but thanks to being given hope and the trust of his companions, he improves. Without them he wouldn't have improved at all. Now Beatrix lacks that support, and is in the middle of an enviroment that actually encourages to become a worse person.But when given a chance to do something that is good, from all possible perspectives, she does it. Even if the only thing she will gain from it, and she knows it, is to be dead within hours. That's proof that had she been given an opportunity to be good she would have taken it, but none came. That's the tragedy there.

>>14997848
Not him, and your taste aside, the ridiculously over the top main villain doesn't fit into the franchise. It might be "fresh", but it wasn't age's or Hiroki Uchida's intention to be fresh. Watanabe decided to change some things around, but it damaged more than it fixed. VN Beatrix fits into the spirit of the franchise, actually fits into the backstory they gave her, the sales of which were sunk by the anime since they were incompatible and fits into what the Author and age have claimed the story to be. Which is a story about idealism vs. pragmatism, the ability or innability of people to work together in the face of impending doom and how petty rivalries can cause enourmous harm when they occur at the wrong place and time.

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Its been years and Meiya is still the best ML girl

>>14997831
>But she grew into a bad person, which tells me that she always had that potential or seed in her to be bad.
Her motivations aren't bad, the problem is the lengths she has to go to fulfill her plans, which is down to the culture and demands of the stasi more than her own psyche.

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>>14997906
A kindred spirit! You have good taste, my friend. Yuuhi is also really good.

>>14997906
That will never change.

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>>14997831
It's pretty funny that you think that, considering that Beatrix is one of the more principled characters in SM, even if she does act like a rude bitch a lot of the times (and by all rights, she shouldn't even be as nice as she is considering all she's been through).

>>14997893
>>14997907
Beatrix is one of the more merciful characters in SM too. Like you actually see her taking prisoners and offering clemency for the Berlin Battalion if they surrendered. You also see her attempting to move the fighting outside of Berlin in a few of the routes. She doesn't even call in artillery strikes while fighting in Berlin, something that Iris actually does do ironically, which infuriates Beatrix enough for her to actually attempt to kill Irisdina (note that Beatrix is a good enough pilot to take on half the 666th; I think that she fought Iris so evenly before or in the other routes was because she didn't actually want to kill her until she saw all the dead Berliners from the artillery barrage, after which, she destroys Iris effortlessly).

We also have Martin Karrel, who Beatrix let live despite being ordered to purge.

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>>14997946
Mitsurugi sisters best sisters. I can't wait for Altered Fable stuff to be fully translated. I did a bit from Meiya route with the translation by Jutsuki Sen, but stopped very soon. I'd rather read it when we have the whole thing. Looking forward to Yuuhi route too.

I really wish we get all Photonmelodies and Flowers side stories next year, but I'm starting to doubt it

>>14997975
I've never seen an anime butcher a character so badly, so I doubt she's as noble as you describe her to be.

>>14998038
Her job already involves enough nastyness, her personality is like sandpaper and her plan is coldblooded enough that its already extremely divisive for the audience, let alone the people who would actually have to live unde it. She isn't much more pleasant than her anime self, but he is right that she shows a concience she lacked in the anime, and doesn't end up looking like a hypocrite when explaining herself.

>>14994744
Who seriously takes the time reports threads like that one? Fucking no-life actually care about what other no-life post about on an anonymous board? Relax you choad, no one is planning world war 3 and genocide.

>>14998063
>She isn't much more pleasant than her anime self,
I think watching her struggle with her innate desire to do good vs her pragmatism and indoctrination makes her pretty likable. Iris's route revealed that her ideal world is very close to what Iris and Katia envision, it's just she sees reality as less then ideal, and that such pretty dreams would never work in such a cruel world.

Survive now, dream later.

>>14998150
He's actually made threads on /qa/ to complain about us, so he takes it super seriously for who knows what reason.

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Who's the chick on the left?

>>14998292
Her VA.

ML threads being deleted from /a/ isnt anything new. That happened during TE, especially when people talked about the vn, and during the sad long phase when the threads were basically reduced into nothing else than image dumps because there were nothing left to discuss anymore.

>>14998199
>Anti-general fags will never realize they can just ignore them.

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I had a dream last night that they announced a live-action MUV-LUV movie and it was directed by Michael Bay.

It was horrifying

>>14998594
Would he do a better job then Watanabe if he was handed SM?

How about TE?

>>14998615
No, Hollywood adaptations are cancer. Look at Ghost in a Shell and Death Note as recent examples.

Forgive me for not reading through the entire thread, but I just started the VNs and I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as possible since I'm loving it. What is the game in the OP?

>>14998963
Strike Frontier. Don't bother.

>>14998966
It kinda reminded me of SD Gundam Capsule Fighter. I love the TSFs and could always use a time waster at work. What's so bad about it?

>>14998970
Have you ever played Kancolle? It's like that, except with h-scenes.

>>14998982
Kancolle is the ship girls right? I've only seen images and I had no idea what was going on.

Does all TSFs have S-11 bombs in it? If so, why didn't the nip rebells used them in the coup attempt?

>>14998982
it's arguably worse since boat sluts doesn't have gacha.

>>14998970
If you've ever played those gacha type games on DMM or Nutaku and hated them, I think Strike Frontier is the same crap.

>>14999148
It's actually a shame how Gacha heavy they made it. It has a pretty decent game underneath all the moneygrubbing.

So they are planning on releasing Multiplayer in the middle of the month. Anyone knows if it will be coop or PVP?

>>15000644
>So they are planning on releasing Multiplayer in the middle of the month
Where did you get this? I would rather have a Meiya, yuuhi and takeru event.

>>15000785
An announcement of multiplay battle announcement and the release countdown campaign before release

We plan to release the new function "Multiplayer Battle" from the middle of this month.

◆◆◆ [About Multiplayer] ◆ ◆ ◆
Finally "Multiplayer" appears in Muv-Luv SF! It is!
Organize plato with other users and go to the real-time battle!
Defeat a strong enemy BETA that can not be defeated by solo play making full use of character skill and tactics function capability!
GET a special reward that clears "Multiplayer" and does not get anywhere else! It is!

Should I just skip Muv-Luv and go right to Alternative?

Yes If you just want 1 slice of the pizza and not the whole thing. While Extra and Unlimited can be boring at times they are absolutely necessary if you want full experience and you will have a much better experience reading ALT if you read Extra and Unlimited

>>15000796
we will need a discord for voice communication stat

>>15000823
Absolutely not. You need the emotional connection from the first game for maximum payoff.

>>15000871
Fuck no. Discord is the general killer.

>>15000906
this place is dead already

>>14998594
Don't worry, even if it would happen for some reason it'll be forgotten quickly whichever reception it will get. There've been so many hollywood adaptations where that happened.

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I wish I could play this on my tablet. I have so very little time to do anything on my computer. But my commute is long as fuck.

>>15001084

They're making an android version eventually, if you have an android tablet.

game won't load for me. it gets stuck at 0%. how do I fix it?

>>15001455
Don't know it's been happening today for me too.

In addition, we will inform you about new features to be added in the future.

◆ ◆ [About the new function "Awakening"] ◆◆
From December 16 (Fri), by synthesizing special materials for characters
We will add a function that can be put into "awakening" state where the status of existing characters is very high.
After "awakening" function addition, all newly added characters become "awakening" becomes possible.

>>15002593
so, pilots are gonna get boosted stats too now? fuck me

>>15002593
>Treating them like fucking newtypes

>>15002678
You will probably have to have max affection. So after getting the D 5 times they are "awakened"

Why does penetration sound so sexual:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0rPZElYVQ0P

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>>15002942
Because she is the best girl and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

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>>15002983
Was he lying?

>>15003012
He isn't even a human. He is a soulless ginger.

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>>15003037
As far as boys go, he's pretty fuckable. The only one who's more so is the genderswapped Lise/Axmann's assistant.

Of course, everyone knows that Beatrix and Iris are the absolute most fuckable SMs.

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that happiness

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>>15003167
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>>15003702
Here, have the actual HD CG of that.

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>>15003709
yes. OH YES.
& thanks.

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>>15003702
>>15003709

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SF 4koma. You know the drill.

I still can't play the game. it sits on 0% and never loads. is this some kind of bug or a new anti-foreigner thing?

>>15004458
No. It works for me. But the event is buggy right now. I hope they fix it fast.

>>15004466
Its not buggy you need to clear browser cache.

No new SF CGs?

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Look at that fucking Defense holy shit

>>15004540
I'm kinda tempted to do it. I got all the material and it only cost 63000.

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>>15004543
I definately will be once I get those green. however, I just noticed, THIS EVENT IS ANOTHER RANDOM CHANCE ONE HOLY FUCK....isnt it?

>>15004458
It's doing it for me too, try a different browser or clear your cache.

Why are AoE attacks litterally doing nothing to the boss anymore?

>>15004566
It got nerf like 2 events ago.

>>15004567
so basically my strongest pilots are now useless. Great.

>>15004569
for 1 more week >>15002593

>>15004575
.....and now without Meiya I cant even kill the 24 stamina boss. JESUS CHRIST

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Well I'm done with this event. I even got 5 Su-37.

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>>15004606
I managed to beat the last one... once

>>15004606
Oh boy, post those flatchested Soviet CGs as soon as possible.

>>15004616
Yeah. I'll have 1 posted when the daily refreshes.
>>15004611
I used a map wide atk debuff and atk buffs to beat it for A rank. I needed Power TSF with XM3 allies to get S rank.

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That's it, this powercreep is too fucking stupid. I cant even beat 60 stamina with this team with a XM3 ally.

>>15004626
time to start grind for them battle logs

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Help, I'm stuck on item drop screen. Tried to clear cache but still stuck.

Ok what the hell. My SSR Yui in Yellow Takemikazuchi deals only 10 damage a boss with her special attack but normal deals thousands of damage. Is this boss immune to specials or something?

>>15004651
That is what I was talking about earlier, no matter what pilot I use the boss takes no damage from skills

>>15004673
I guess this is boss that must be dealt with by pilots with Buffs and Debuffs.

I guess i have to switch my strategy. I'll keep only one AoE Pilot so I can easily clear those moobs while rest of pilots will focus on Boss.

>>15004651
>>15004673
They are removing the skills cause people could cheese with them to kill bosses without XM3

>>15004694
but they dont. Pilots's AI dictates they attack random mobs. Selecting the boss as a main target does nothing for your team, they will not focus it

>>15004697
But they can if you use your brain. I use SSR Shiranui with Missiles and SR Swimsuit Meiya with AoE skill. She kills or nearly kills all moobs in close proximity after she uses her skill so rest can focus most of the time to deal dammage to Fort Class.

I also have SSR Meiya with self ATK Buff, SR Kei with same skill, SR Inia for Defense Debuff and Rinka for Team ATK buff. My CP is SR Sumika.

No XM3 TSF. But all are Power type.

Friend are varied. I mostly pick one with AoE to assist or pilot with Buff/Debuff skill.

This teams works like a dream. I already tested it 6 times. I finish mission within one minute. S Ranking that 30 stamina mission every time before i could only B rank it.

>>15004763
>>15004626 is me and I can't.

>>15004540
is there a way to get more books? I didn't have enough medals to buy all of them from the last event.

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why i can't upgrade my tsf os? i got all the mats

>>15004800
Maybe you need to remove it from your party?

>>15004812
subarashii
It worked, thanks

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Thanks for yet another shit roll. ssr tsf never ;_;

>>15004544
You scared me for a moment.
But in fact, you open all the chests. One chest whenever you finish, one more if s rank and one more if all your squad survives.

>>14998594
Have tried dreaming about being eaten by BETA yet?

I sure have, would not recommend.

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I think I got ripped off

Only one of those 00-C cards showed up in my inventory.

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feels gud.

>>15004953
wow, fuck you.

Are SR tickets supposed to give you duplicates every single fucking time?

>>15005059
i already got 10 of her, and 10 su-27, that event is so easy

>>15005129
they only give tsf to me, so annoying

>>15005138
I still got nothing.

>>15005155
maybe you are bad.

>>15005155
GIT GOOD

>>15004788
The last mission drops them.

>>15004763
this works...stupidly well.

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I tried to uprgade Su-27 to XM3 version and got these message. What does it mean? I'm sure I've got all required items.

>>15005485
cant have it in your party. same as >>15004800 earlier

>>15005488
Oh... I just miss that post. Thanks!

There really needs to be a way to force everyone to attack the fucking boss.

>>15005623
Turning auto off helps

Any idea why the game has this massive power creep going on?

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Stop fucking running after the tanks classes you cunts, just kill the Fort!

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I got lucky today. I already got my fully promoted Latrova and Su-27. Anyone know if I can get XM3 discs from grinding? I fucking spent mine just before finding out Su-27 would work.

>>15003709

Her head doesn't look like it belongs to that body...

>>15005834
Cute. Hopefully they both lose their clothes by the end.

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>>15005993
How so?

>>15006040

Her head is too small.

>>15005866
you can get latrova from this event?

I just finished extra and am now onto unlimited. Was the game always supposed to be a mecha VN? I'm somewhat confused.

>>15006241
Seems like it was planned. Remember the magic shoe scene in Extra? Alternative explains it.

>>15006185
no
>>15006241
yes

>>15006241
Yes, that's the surprise. Originally it was all meant to be one big game but was splint into two during development.

>>15006254
so it's only natasha and su-27?

>>15003830
Loose Cannon Lt.

What kind of person was Lt Tatsunami!?

*Love story~

W-well...

He nearly died crossing the continent...

Huh?

He nearly died on a suicide charge against the Beta.

Uoryaaaaaaaax2

He nearly died jumping in front of the crossfire...

He's always one in front!

*Making so many things to worry about

You're sober right now, right?

[Shirafu in Misaki's last line means not drunk]

>>15006040
Really wish people would start drawing more Katia. All I ever seem to see is either Beatrix or Irisdina.

>>15006353
To be fair, there isn't much art in general