Things that don't exactly make perfect sense.

A lot of the ammo counts were extremely high considering the size and assumed capacity of the weapon. You're probably supposed to assume that they reload every once in a while, like in the newer AC games, even if it's not shown in-game.

>>14969781
Yeah about that. I hated that. They could have just made better and more interesting weapons in Nexus and forward but instead they redid everything and made it more tedious and less fun.

>>14969784
I agree. I felt that Silent Line was the absolute apex of the series, and everything plummeted after that.

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>>14969786

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How can something as ungainly as whitebase even fly? And why is it controlled by a old-timey ship's wheel.

>>14969828
mnovski craft not gonna explain shit

>>14969828
The worst thing is where they flew really close and really slow from the ground and the character on the ground only got a slight breeze.
Where the fuck does the lift come from

>>14969830
>>14969833
Minovsky craft system you plebs
Learn the gundam before you shitpost

>>14969828
>>14969833
Minvosky flight systems use the repulsive forces generated by I-fields for a sort of electromagnetic levitation. That said, there should be some pressure on the things beneath the ship. When it's flying high the footprint could be spread out, but close to the ground it would be pushing down with nearly as much force as if it was resting directly on it.

>>14969777
Realistically speaking the size of the bullets would not scale up at the same rate as the gun. Most mecha franchises either give guns absurd calibers, or draw the barrels disproportionately larger than the specified caliber. It's not inconceivable that a mech sized gun could be mostly empty space and contain a large internal magazine.

The guns in MuvLuv for instance held like, 1400 20mm rounds or something. The real wonder is how they didn't jam considering the shape of the magazines. Rather than a sensible dum style magazine like you would find on an aircraft, the belt was folded several times into a box magazine.

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>>14970844
Correction, 2000 36mm chaingun rounds in a P90 style magazine, which folds back upon itself several times, and 6 120mm rounds.

From the looks of things, the barrels of both guns are drawn larger than that, and the 120mm magazine could probably hold more than 6 rounds.

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>>14969777

Engine works without fuel

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>>14969828

The White Base is far from the only retarded flying thing in the og

>>14970896
If I recall, it had a small protoculture reactor in the fast pack (hence why it could be used to hit orbit) - exactly why it looks like a conventional engine though...that I cannot explain

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>>14970917
>maximum speed rated at Mach 4.8

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>>14970945

>Tank is also a Fighter Jet

>>14969777

Didn't it have some kind of a reasonable-sized clip past Master of Arena (when clips were introduced for weapons using bullets)?

>>14970940
>hence why

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>>14970861
The american main weapon shows more detail.

>>14970993
The gun in the OP is from AC3 or Silent Line, I forget which (since everything from AC3 carries over into SL). Reloading wasn't a thing until Nexus, which came out right after Silent Line.

Now, there was a machine gun in the original trilogy that had 1000 rounds, but it also had a gigantic magazine hanging under it.

>>14971160
Do they say what caliber it is? Because as >>14971014 illustrates, it's very easy to fit thousands of small caliber cannon rounds in a mech sized weapon. Guns don't scale up directly.

>>14969828
Gotta make that toy money.

The MWG-MG/800 was better

>>14972004
Yeah it has a very predictable spread pattern. The 1000 gun was still good in missions, desu.

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>>14970899
woah... what???

>>14969777
i love this gun, i used it for so many missions, it's one of those guns that could last through.

>>14971947
If the bullets are that fucking tiny though how could you hope to do serious damage against anything but infantry and armored vehicles?

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>>14970861
>>14971014
The part I had trouble with about those guns is the support version used by marksmen like Tama, since they're apparently exactly the same calibre as the regular gun but fire single shots, which makes no goddamn sense. They should never run out of ammo and never actually accomplish anything, given how many rounds the people with the standard version seem to need to use to put down BETA.

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>>14972004
>>14972564
>>14972702
The 800 was the best machinegun, but before it was introduced in SL I was still more partial to the MG-500, and even after I'd still take it over a 1000. It might have had tons of ammo and high fire rate, but it was so piddly that you'd need that ammo to accomplish much. Plus, 1000 rounds at double the price of normal machinegun bullets is not the best option for the savvy mercenary.

>>14972706
Special ammo? As mentioned, the rounds for that gun were obscenely expensive for their type.

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>>14969777
Odd that that's the weapon you call out for high ammo capacity and not, say, the original FINGER, which was half the size and held three times that much ammo.

>>14972821
this gun.. or hand was broken as fuck, fires 5 times more bullets than your typical MG and shred shit in seconds, and it's fucking light too.

>>14972856
Even better combine it with the back magazine part. They hadn't quite figured out balancing that yet, so it was modestly heavy yet provided a whopping 50% increase in ammo, so when used with the 3000 round FINGER you'll have more bullets than you could ever possible need.

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You explain to me how this works and you explain it to me RIGHT NOW

>>14973124

The "gatling" gun, I mean.

>>14973124
It probably has a hardpoint dedicated to it on the forearm, so it works like the 78-02's cannon.

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>>14973129
>>14973124

>>14970949

Magellas trigger me everytime

>>14973239

Okay, now that makes sense.

>>14972706
Square cube law. The armor on a humanoid fighting machine is going to be thinner than the armor on a tank, more comparable to an IFV, and could easily be penetrated with 30mm shells. These shells would be proportionally smaller to a giant robot than bullets are to humans.

Because of this, most giant robots are drawn carrying cannons which are unrealistically huge, because properly scaled weapons would look wrong. DESU even a 120mm cannon is going to look tiny when it's in the hands of a 18meter robot. IIRC, the guntank's cannons were bigger than the Yamato's.

>>14973239
This here is actually a good compromise, although I have mixed feelings on how practical it would be. Macross gunpods are probably the ones that make the most sense, the wrap around magazines on the VF-1 gunpod would probably make reloading a bitch though.

>>14972808
Yeah, trying to make mech guns behave like human guns usualy leads to absurdities. There isn't any reason to scale a bolt action rifle up to mech sizes without replacing it with an autocannon. Modern naval artillery is plenty accurate and capable of rapid fire.

>>14972813
Wasn't the MG-500 the highest damage-per-bullet machinegun you could get?

That's the smart way to do things, or at least the way I do things. Low ammo reserves and low fire rate? Not a problem when it hits like a train and you try to make every bullet count.

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How does it reload those giant cannons?

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The tubes on the legs and torso of the Zaku II seem to be there to have giant power cables without having to run them through lots of mechanical joints.

Why do the huge cables on the head just go right back into the head?

>>14969777
You being born.

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>>14974040

>>14974040
>Yeah, trying to make mech guns behave like human guns usualy leads to absurdities. There isn't any reason to scale a bolt action rifle up to mech sizes without replacing it with an autocannon. Modern naval artillery is plenty accurate and capable of rapid fire.

In IBO they just took real weapons and put them on those gunpla frames they call mobile suits.

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>60 ton zaku can throw around 90+ton tank with ease

nani

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>>14974424
something something minovsky particles
>>14974397
I love the gunpods in Macross.

>Robot's cannon weight is less than a human scaled up to 18 meters.
>Somehow it can't float.

Are there any shows that do this? I seem to remember that somebody did the numbers on the gundams from wing and decided that they ought to be lighter than air.

>>14974333
From what I remember, it's fuel being pumped for use as coolant to internal systems.

>>14969786
Not Last Raven?

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>>14974819
Last Raven was probably the series' lowest point.

>>14974893
>last raven
>lowest point

the absolute shittiest of opnions right here

>>14974195
that's the point of a low impact high rate of fire MG, it's so that misses shots doesn't matter much. that said, the expenses for using MGs suck.

>>14974472
wouldn't the barrel be hot enough to ignite those rounds strapping on it? that's kinda dangerous is it?

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>>14974901
Have fun 'reloading,' running out of ammo and overheating, faggot.

>>14974921
>being bad at the game

lol

>>14974333
>>14974796
If we go by Origin retelling and Mark Simmons' guesswork, they're for transmitting power around to different areas of the suit. The MS-04 Bugu achieves higher performance than the YMS-03 Waff through these extra cables providing for better maneuverability or some BS like that.

There's still no reasoning for transmitting power from the front of the head to the back, or vice versa.

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How does this thing steer?

>>14974921
>he doesn't know how to build an AC that never overheats from boosting

Classic Snapshit post, why do the mods defend this guy again?

>>14974040
>IIRC, the guntank's cannons were bigger than the Yamato's.
In scale, you mean? I wonder. Properly scaled, the bore of the Yamato's 460mm main guns should be about 2.5x greater than the bore of the Guntank's 180mm cannons.

>>14974943
See the gap in the middle, where the middle pod is mounted? It's not a single tread, but two separate ones. It could steer like a tank by braking or accelerating one side.

>>14974933
>good at a bad game

wew lad.

>>14974947
>he doesn't know how to build an AC that never overheats from boosting

Sure let me put 9000 hours into a bad video game.

>>14974964
>I didn't bother to learn how to play the game therefore it is bad

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>>14974970
>>I didn't bother to learn how to play the game therefore it is bad

Yeah because they took everything that made Armored Core fun and strapped limitations to it. Like pointless magazine system that slows shit down and stupid heat mechanics that didn't exist for like the past seven games in a row? They fundamentally changed the game in a way they thought would be new but it turned out backfiring and made the game shit and not fun to play.

>>14974976
>This salty

>>14974976
it is fun to play, they made the game more complex and opened up more options in customization. stop talking out of your ass

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>>14974976
Also to make the AI good they had to give them OP-intensify/Human Plus and not let you have it. It was some kind of European Extreme mode that was forced onto the average, and in my case nostalgic, player.

>>14974984
No shit I'm salty.

>>14974986
No they ran the free-flowing enjoyment of the game into the ground and turned it into a wannabe mech-sim that only catered to the hardcore players.

>>14974987
so what? every other game in the series had enemies with human plus/op-intensify.

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>>14974993
but in those series YOU were able to obtain it as well. In LR you can't. You're stuck fighting an ac turned fighter jet while you kneel to use back weapons.

>>14974992
>armored core
>not a wannabe mech-sim catered to hardcore players

perhaps this series is not for you

>>14974995
>needing to rely on human plus/op-intensify to beat them

most people did not even use them until they beat the game. they're literally there just to have fun with after you beat the game.

>>14974996
It was for me before Nexus.

>>14974999
I know. I beat the games. I got it. My point was in ACNX and ACLR it didn't exist at all. Just another element of fun game taken out for the sake of the hxc crowd. It's no wonder it had the worst reviews. I play video games for fun and LR was just too fucking hard.

I've never understood why Beam Rifles and the like in various mecha all have proportionately large targeting scopes. This rifle is 8 fucking meters long, in a world where modern video cameras exist and are not the size of an air conditioning unit. What justification could there be for a digital targeting camera being a foot and a half in diameter? Similar logic applies to the zeon mono eye, but is more easily explained away as being a large compound eye hooked up to the targeting computer and all its required systems on the track itself, kept separate from the systems that control the rest of the mecha in the actual cavity of the head.

A big, glowing eyeball probably has a short shelf life in active military service. It would be best to be able to remove the whole assembly for repairs and maintenance, or replacement in some cases, without having to dig around in the actual brains of the mech.

>>14975014
>Anime made in the 70's adhering to modern tech.

>>14975014
Maybe the beam rifle scopes are also entire sensor packages by themselves. Some beam guns have tiny or even no sensors at all and work just fine using only the sensors of the MS itself, but the larger and longer ranged weapons almost always have a large sensor package.

If we go by 08th MS Team, the beam rifle's scope does have an digital camera feed, but for whatever reason this feed is not piped to the cockpit display for ready viewing. They had to improvise a bypass to get the cockpit monitors to show the feed from the beam rifle camera. My guess is that the scope on the beam rifle is intended to be sent to some kind of battle/targeting computer for analysis rather than to show to the pilot. In a "fly by wire" digital cockpit that a mobile suit should have, everything should be running through computers - the computer should determine if the target is locked on rather than the pilot having to line up crosshairs by himself (but they do have the option if they want).

>things that don't make perfect sense
you have spent the last 2 yeas and who knows how much of your own money to just try and troll the gunpla thread

>>14969777
your existence

>>14974915
It's a real design for gunpods though. Specifically the one for the F-4 Phantom.

No idea how well it would work in space without air cooling though.

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Why do mobile suit cameras light-up?

Why do you do what you do

>>14974907
See, if you thought that the expenses suck? It was because you were using the 1000. It's designed to work by pouring a large number of weak shots downrange, but if you check the stats you'll realise that the ammunition is extortionately expensive, costing FAR more than rounds for either of the other machineguns, despite the fact that you're using much more of it. That's why the 1000 sucks, it burns a hole in your wallet and is very inefficient.

The 500, on the other hand, kills things real good. You said the point of the 1000 is that misses don't matter much? It's the same for every machinegun, they're all low impact high ROF. I would always spray wildly with the 500 and it always worked, it had enough ammo and power to be very effective. I never really ran out with it.

Compare the MG-250, which is almost as good...for like 20 seconds before the pathetic magazine runs dry.

>>14974759

Gundam numbers are absurd.

The original gundam doesn't even have a full g of thrust.

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>>14975028

>everything running through and preprocessed by computers

That is how shit like the Camouf and Char's salmon camo worked. By taking advantage of how the computer worked.

>>14974943
Mono-wheel vehicles exist in real life. You steer them by leaning, just like a bike.

>>14975265
Because it looks cool.

Also something about them being useful for communicating through monoeye blinks with minovsky bullshit jamming normal communications.

>>14970899
well that makes sense. That's just his Fighting Spirit cooking off

>>14974324
probably something like this https://youtu.be/bR6HDqqI1Rw?t=3m50s

just kidding its another fine chinese cartoon. lets relax and join together in friendship and understanding

>>14975028
In 008th on the bridge it says the sniper is out of range perhaps it helps extend the effective range of the targeting computer?

>>14975265
Something to do with Morse code from what I've heard.

>>14976712
Radios can be jammed with Minovsky particles and they can use the lights to communicate.

>>14969777

Every mech ever designed.