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Some people said 2nd cour is suppose be a movie so it's filled bunch of nothing happens.
Some people said 2nd cour end up solved almost nothing that it's very rushed.

Which one is true? or actually it's filled and rushed at the same time?
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this show sucks!
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>>14956033
It was originally to be a one cour series with a movie sequel later. Sponsors wanted the show to go on for another 13 episodes so Satelight tried their best to make the plot last an extra 13 episodes. It didn't work so well.
>>14956092
Here's that dank (you)
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>>14956033
It's both. The important parts were rushed and the filler was painful. It was almost as if it was a report that contained mostly citations and had very little substance of its own. The result is a Macross that everyone is indifferent to and will not be remembered next year.
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>>14956033
Macross Delta a shit! A SHIT!
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They introduced subplots that didn't really go anywhere or give us anything. They introduced UTA WA HEIKI but nobody ever proves space Jew wrong. They introduce Lady M's connection with the Megaroad but we don't get any answers about it. They have Cassim, Heinz, and Freyja forking flakes despite being too young but we never know exactly why. Hell, when Freyja got the flakes, we never get a touching scene between her and Hayate, they saved the confession for the last episode. What the fuck happened?
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>>14956033
>MUH WINDU
fuck this show
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>>14956423
The show explained the flaking as the windies using their rune too much and drain their life force faster, iirc.
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>>14956033
>Which one is true? or actually it's filled and rushed at the same time?

Filled and rushed at the same time.
Delta was supposed to be 13 episodes + movie. It morphed into 13 + 13 episodes hence the idiotic second season. Nothing but filler episodes in the second half and rushed to the extreme. No satisfying ending either. Everything that could go wrong went wrong. Blame Kawamori.
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Blame suckers who claimed to know Macross is not some generic idol anime
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>>14956489
You idiot, idols weren't the problem.
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>>14956033
The show was awful. It was a monument to bad planning, what is left to see is how this will hurt Macross as a franchise.

Btw, how bad Walkure bombed in their concerts? Or they got good numbers?
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>>14956033
the only truth is that macross is dead with no chance of revival.
bury it.
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>>14956427
Seriously. If you want to kill someone, just make them do a drinking game where they take a shot every time someone says something about wind in this anime.
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they really just need to learn how to end a series. sdf went on far too long, 7 resolved nothing by the end of it even with dynamite, and dragged on too long. plus is the only macross related series that had a perfect ending which ended at the right time
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This show is pretty fucked up.
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>>14956438
This makes so much sense. I finished this show a few weeks ago, not knowing anything about the background going in. The second half felt so rushed. I'm not sure what direction they wanted to go.
I really hated this show, and I'm disappointed in all the moeshit that they decided to take with the brand.
Maybe the bad reviews, and I'm assuming low viewership, will get them to come up with something better and smarter.

Every series they push music more and more, and now we are at the point where singing is literally magic and makes planes fly faster. I just can't take it.
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>>14956033
It was a terrible show
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>>14956033
How the hell does Mikumo's swimsuit work? It's literally not connected at the top so there's no way for it to stay together without glue or something.

>>14957184
To be fair, SDF went through a cycle of cancellation and un-cancellation, which really screwed with production. Ishiguro made the best he could out of a mangled situation, and still managed to pull a miracle out of his ass.

>>14959009
So long as Kawamori remains the sole owner and proprietor of the franchise, don't expect change to come. The guy just doesn't learn from his mistakes, and the success of Frontier was largely luck and fluke, his attempt to imitate it in Delta ended in failure.

Even if Tomino were the only guy to make Gundam, and even if that died not long after Victory, at least he had the capacity to change and adapt (look at how Turn A, King Gainer and G-Reco compare to his earlier works). But Sunrise did the smart thing and let others direct and write for the franchise, which helped keep it alive and fill it with new life with different styles of storytelling. Unless Studio Nue does the same for Macross, it's going to forever remain Kawamori's rodeo, and held back by his failures.
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>Macross franchise
>dead
More alive than [your favourite non-gundam mecha franchise]. How the fuck one commercially successful entry can kill a 35 years old franchise?

>>14959039
Because 7, Plus, 0, Frontier and Delta are so similar in style and story. Your comment about Gundam is really funny too considering Sunrise continues shitting out UC related OVAs like Unicorn, Thunderbolt and Origin. Also Studio Nue has no relation to Macross for ages now.
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Did that song from episode 19 ending ever come out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs0txOQ5ElA Or is it just one of those "just for the anime" things.
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>>14959039
>To be fair, SDF went through a cycle of cancellation and un-cancellation, which really screwed with production. Ishiguro made the best he could out of a mangled situation, and still managed to pull a miracle out of his ass.

True, but the post war episodes are really disjointed from the rest of the series. That the powers that be managed to give the series a "good" ending was nothing short of a miracle.
I think though SDF should have ended at episode 27. That was the perfect ending. Minmay crowning her career by singing for humanity's survival. Hikaru embracing 100% his role, ditching Minmay and going for one last fight. Misa witnessing the destruction of earth, the death of her father etc... All the episodes after this one felt like an emotional let down.
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>>14960832
It did. Track 11 on Walkure Trap
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>>14959039
>How the hell does Mikumo's swimsuit work? It's literally not connected at the top so there's no way for it to stay together without glue or something.
It's either a hologram like their performance outfits or a lost protoculture relic that we can't hope to understand.
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>>14956438
>Blame Kawamori
I blame Kawamori since EVOL
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What did Kawamori want to even do in Delturd
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>>14961522
>What did Kawamori want to even do
1) Make lots of money.
2) Get surrounded by cute young girls.

And now he probably laughs reading comments that Delta flopped or that Macross franchise is dead.
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>>14961714

Is Kawamori the type that just laughs all the way to the bank or does he actually get upset when people don't like his work even if they buy it anyway.
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>>14961753

The only thing I know that really upsets him is the legal cluster funk with Harmony Gold that prevents him distributing Macross worldwide. He genuinely wants Macross to be available in America, and he can't do it.
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>>14961851
To be fair to the man, that is something a lot of people are mad at, not just him. HG are, for all points and purposes, just copyright/patent trolls at this point, since they're just trying to piggyback off of someone else's successful work by putting in minimal effort, and being obstructionist otherwise. At least Saban hires actors and puts effort into their own stunt scenes for the Americanized version of Super Sentai, and at least they have a cooperative working relationship with Toei to that end (the costumes they made and used for Dragon Knight went back for the Ryuki episodes of Decade and the Den-O crossover).

Imagine if the same thing happened to Gundam. Not only would Sunrise be unable to capitalize on shows like Wing or stream everything from AGE onward worldwide, but some asshole in the US would keep trying to make up some random cut-and-paste story based on 0079 and sue anyone who tries to do anything Gundam-like anywhere that isn't Japan.

As much as I have my disagreements with Kawamori's works (I still think Plus and Zero are complete pieces of trash), it's unfair to him that they're impeded from global success because some real estate company in the US holds a piece of paper from the 80s that says they can't distribute their own works outside of Japan.
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its quite obvious that its going to get a movie

also where is that guy who keeps getting mad that delta is shit?

its that 49 year old here have you calmed down yet sunshine?
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>>14961714
>>14961753
Tells you how fucked up of Japanese otakus.
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>>14961906
>its that 49 year old here have you calmed down yet sunshine?
I don't know who you're talking about, but that's really ironic.
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>>14957184

The only thing 7 didn't resolve is it's love triangle, which only existed in Mylene's mind regardless. It pretty clearly resolved the central conflicts for one thing, given the villains no longer had any motivation and left for another dimension. I also have no idea whether you think Frontier was too long or too short. I thought 26 episodes was a good length, though I'd personally say it could have used it's run time better and the ending was a bit rushed.

>>14959039

Mikumo's top may have stiffened sides to the cups, so that the breasts are forced to stay in place by external pressure. Done right they'd be able to jiggle up and down and maybe even a bit to the side but couldn't spring out. Alternatively, there may just be a thin strip of clear material connecting the cups or somethng.

>>14960871

The post war episodes are my favourite part of SDF. They're absolutely not perfect and Hikaru becomes an indecisive asshole because of them for instance, but the epilogue element is great so I'm willing to overlook it.
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>>14959039
>So long as Kawamori remains the sole owner and proprietor of the franchise, don't expect change to come
Up until the most recent entries, he was never the one single person who called all of the shots. He really is the Japanese George Lucas.
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Delta had a great premise, a really strong first episode, amazing music that surpasses Frontiers and a plot so fucking stupid, especially in the 2nd Cours, that it made me want to kill myself.

I don't understand how you can spend most of a whole cours doing literally nothing, adding literally nothing and just plain out wasting episodes with nothing.
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>>14963852

By Empire Lucas was the one calling all the shots on Star Wars. He wasn't the sole talent on even A New Hope, but he was the one calling the shots on everything from Empire forward because he used the profits he'd garnered from A New Hope to fund Empire (though he had to get help on Empire itself) and fund future projects free of any over sight.
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The only thing I really appreciate is the character designs being better overall and Hayate being extremely fuckable.

So the exact reverse of Aquarion.
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>>14963863
It was too much idolshit
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Does anyone want a translation of the extra mini-chapters at the end of the Keith manga?
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Macross is dead
Deaaaaad
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>>14965227
no
burn that shit
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>>14965227
I do.
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>>14966031
Alright. There's only photos from a kind anon on /a/, but hopefully scans will appear soon.

>They came to the Ragnyannyan.
>Why do we have to eat this kind of thing.
>At a shop with the likes of traitor...
>Oh, this looks good.
>It does. I'll get that as well.
>What are you guys doing, enjoying yourselves normally!?
>Shut up, and you order something too, Bogue.
>Excuse me, two Salt Squid Ramen, please
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>>14966665

>Hmph. It doesn't look too bad...
>Wow, it looks delicious!
>You guys!! Don't do that during mealtime! Where are your manners!?
>Ouch!!

>bogue
>manners
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>>14966672

>Be quiet, Bogue.
>Lord Roid! I apologi...
>Can't you calm down even to eat?
>Isn't it a basic skill to take care of your rune when eating?
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>>14966676
>Truly, thank you for purchasing Volume 1 of Macross Δ White Knight on Black Wings! I'm really happy that I could draw everyone when they were younger. After this, what they see, and what they feel...I'd be glad if you looked forward to it! -Fuji Azuki
>I actually like Cassim.
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>>14966679
Forgot image oops
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>>14966680
>Haah---
>Yum.
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>>14966686
>So you were here.
>Good work, Keith.
>You too.
>Yeah, today was unusually hot, so training was tough.
>Right? I'm so used to the cold.
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>>14966689
>Morris was like "If you buried me in snow right now, I wouldn't mind."
>Ahaha!
>Is that the usual?
>Yeah.
>Apple juice.
>Freshly squeezed, of course.
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>>14966694
>You really love it, don't you.
>Of course!
>If I don't drink this, then I can't gather the strength to finish training.
>You're starting to sound like an old man, Keith...
>Want some?
>Thanks. I'm thirsty.
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>>14966699
>Mm, delicious.
>Isn't it?
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>>14966704
>Keith.
>Want some?

I wonder if Keith just stands in Roid's office staring outside? It seems like it'd be pretty awkward
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>>14966710
>......
>Ah, that reminds me.
>You used to love apple juice.
>Do you want that instead?
>......No. This is fine.
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>>14966712
>That time has already...

That's it. I'll translate the new chapter with Bogue if/when it gets scanned.
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>>14956033
>>14956092

no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NO GOD DAMMIT NO WHY?!

WHY DID THEY DO THIS TO MY MACROSS?!

WHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!

what in the ACTUAL FUCK?!

F was enough you had you cheesecake with Ranka and Sheryl, what the fuck is THIS?!!!!

how am i'm supposed to have a love triangle with FIVE FEMALE MAINS FUUUUUUUCK!

females leads in macross NO FUCK OFF, didn't work and southern cross won't work now

dammit fuck I hate this

it's over lads this is how Macross ends, no gruff badass captains, no love triangles, no Itano fucking circus no Zentrati and DECULTURE just fucking moe cute girls doing cute things

FUCK THIS INDUSTRY and FUCK JAPAN
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>>14966787

Shut up, it was always trash.
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>>14966799
eat a dick, don't you have a gurren lagann thread to be posting in?
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>>14966787
Get the fuck out of here. You must be 18 to post on this site.
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>>14956033
See >>14956092

I'm running out of ways to say that this went nowhere, did nothing with anything/everything it introduced early on, and did so very, very slowly, squandering the somewhat above average (at least for this season) production… at least for the episodes that weren't 24 straight minutes of exposition. Not a single character had even the slightest bit of development over the entire six month run, the plot only 'advanced' through exposition and handwaving about things happening somewhere far away, and most of it was just to fill up some screentime anyway. Christ, you could've written Hayate out of the show entirely and literally nothing would've changed at all. This would've been a poorly paced three episode OVA. Not a single character was integral to the show, nor was anything that they did. So what was there to get involved with? What was there to root for?

About the only times it was palatable was when it was being willfully idiotic; overselling the idol fandom, shenanigans with the idiotic catseals, teenagers being the super bestest at absolutely everything. The story was tripe, the characters could've all been replaced by catseals without any loss of fidelity, and it even jettisoned the idol stuff for most of the second half. That's what I get for giving an idol show half a chance.
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>>14956438
>Delta was supposed to be 13 episodes + movie.
Oh thank god I dropped it at episode 15 then. I was enjoying it so much that I wanted to wait till it was over and marathon it all.
Now waiting warmly for the inevitable movie.
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>>14966922
>implying anyone over the age of 18 watches cartoons
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>>14968129

>not watching Freyja's birthday
You dun goof'd
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>>14968129
>inevitable
It seems you don't understand what "was supposed" means. Since they did 2nd cour, they don't need to make the movie anymore. From few interviews with Kawamori we got it seems there won't be any. The only hope we have is that Walkure will turn out to be really successful.

Anyway, you still should probably watch:
episode 16 (Freyja's Birthday)
episode 17 (big concert)
episode 18 (last episode with semi-decent action)

Episode 18 ends on cliffhanger, but ignore it. It's a trap. There is nothing after that. Don't watch any further.
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>>14968000

If you're running out of ways to say it, may I suggest just not saying it any more? Not because I disagree with you on the whole that it wasn't a good show, but because you're just wearing yourself out doing so at this point by the sounds of things. So just let people say whatever they want and move on.
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Delta felt like a huge waste of potential to me on a lot of fronts.

>>New story involves idol group backed by NUN, their support includes a zent-descended chick and a baddass zent captain
All of them idols get glib mediocre lines at best, moeshit at worst. Secondary characters are more or less left to rot.

>>Finally get to visit other planets and other cultures.
They all end up being one-note appearence.
>>Story is going to involve the protoculture and a new group of protoculture descendants.
We manage to end the series knowing even less about the protoderps, and the windermere characters are all underused and or one dimensional cutouts. Their culture is underexplored as well and they somehow don't feel as diverse as the zentraedi.

fundamentally as oher anons said, there really isn't a lot happening in 25 eps. even on the mecha side of things. The aerial knights' VFs are nice to look at but they're basically just planes with that space noble aesthetic-
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>>14968514

25 is p good too, it has Ai Oboete Imasuka.
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Will Delta's failure hurt JUNNA's career?
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And here's my list as example of objectively perfect taste. If not for 2 godlike medleys Delta and Frontier would fill my top 20 pretty evenly.
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>>14970426
what is it?
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>>14970426
>axia that low
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>>14966680
Cassim is cute.
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>>14970426
What shit taste
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>>14970909
>>14971421
It seems some faggot reposted my list from >>14970350. That's why some board have duplicate image detection.

You can always try to make your objectively shittier list using the link from >>14970350 thread.
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>>14970909
I completely agree with that judgement. Axia is supposed to be a song from the times of Kaname's solo career, even before she joined Walkure. I assume for this reason creators decided to make this song to sound differently from the rest of Walkure's songs, to make it "older", more nostalgic. They clearly overdid it. Axia sounds like the most generic pop shit from 90s or even 80s.
I believe that there are only 2 categories of people who would like Axia:
1) faggots in their 30s who grew with this shitty pop. They shouldn't even visit /m/ anymore, but I guess they still post here out of habit.
2) faggots who never had friends in school so they were stuck with CDs, cassettes or even vinyls they got from their parents.

Also Kaname has disgusting low voice and usually it should be a death sentence for singing career. She's only better than Reina and that's only because Reina is even more terrible. Kaname's VA probably was picked for Delta so that her in-anime role would match her in-life story of failed unpopular VA who got her 2nd chance. She should feature only as back vocal and never get another solo song again.
And she's ugly. Pic related, she is in the middle. It should be a sin to be ugly in j-pop idol group.
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>>14971676
man, all of them are ugly.
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>>14968000
>>14968514

So how would you have ended it then? what do you think would have made it better than the rushed clusterfuck of nothing that was S2.

Assuming you still have to do a S2 ofc.
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>>14971676
What the fuck are you going on about? Kaname's voice isn't as low as Mikumo's. Sheryl ALSO has a much a deeper voice than Kaname.
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>>14971676
>Axia sounds like the most generic pop shit from 90s or even 80s.
Hey dipshit, if it "seems" generic from almost 40 years ago, its not generic today. Get over yourself.
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>>14972419
Obliviously deep voice is not bad. Both Sheryl and Mikumo have excellent and powerful low ranges. I'm talking about Kaname's shitty weak ass low voice that should be used only in "live" performances inside of cheap restaurants and bars.
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>>14968514
>The only hope we have is that Walkure will turn out to be really successful.
>
You should also stop hoping for this since they haven't sold as much as Frontier did in the music department even though Frontier didn't try to stretch their music like here
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>>14971825
How about they try to make a new story instead of making a bootleg of the story Frontier told? For fuck sake they even took assets from the fucking movies in the final battle and that is not even going into how they outright lifted the whole story of frontier with their retarded windies in the end or how they simply didn't resolve a bunch of plot points
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>>14963893
But in Empire and at least Return there were still other people writing together and helping, the trilogy was fully him and with each new story we get of around that time about SW and Indiana Jones we get to know more about his faggotry
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>>14961753
Given how he acted when Evol got into SRW he is the type of guy who gets pissy when people don't like his shows
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>>14973098

There were other people writing, but he still had the final say in all decisions for both Empire and Returns. Also, I'm not aware of any real faggotry on his part for Indiana Jones. He came up with the basic ideas for all the Indie films, but Spielberg was the one who directed them. A setup that holds true for entries both good and bad.
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>>14973076
And let's ignore the fact that Frontier's Vocal Collection album is the best selling anime related album in history. Even LL couldn't beat it with any of its albums. Clearly LL is a huge flop, I have no idea why Sunrise decided to make another season. I guess they like to lose money. For example they made Gundam 00 s2 even though first season was a giant flop compared to SEED.

/m/ is truly the home of most ignorant idiots on 4chan.
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>>14968587
>may I suggest just not saying it any more?
>just let people say whatever they want and move on

Idiots like you need to think before posting.
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>>14973417

If you really think those statements are incompatible and that I was saying he should never express his views because of their content instead of that he should just refrain from doing so if it tires him to do so then you need to work on your comprehension.
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>>14973185
How did he act?
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The worst Kawamori girls
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You know, this was my first time watching a Macross as it aired. I've watched part of the original and enjoyed it, only putting it down due to being busy, so I decided to check this one out. After all, how bad could it be?

So, I start watching it and I enjoyed the first half. I thought it was done well and was hyped for the protagonists' new role as the underdogs. Even bought one of those cheap models of Hayate's plane. Then the show ground to a halt and lost my interest. It's like, wow. What were they thinking? All the problems I had with IBO season 1 come out in full force.

I still have 6 episodes left to finish the show, but I can't bring myself to do so. It's just so disappointing.
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>>14973986
The last 6 has some good bits, but unfortunately, yeah, it kind of peters out into nothing.
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○マクロスΔ 【全9巻】
巻数 初動 累計 発売日
BD(DVD) BD(DVD)
01巻 *8,742(*1,257) 11,363(*1,753) 16.07.25 ※合計 13,116枚
02巻 *6,933(**,925) *8,301(*1,176) 16.08.26 ※合計 *9,477枚
03巻 *8,483(*1,434) *9,267(*1,645) 16.09.27 ※合計 10,912枚
05巻 *7,234(*1,195) *8,319(*1,465) 16.11.25 ※合計 *9,784枚
06巻 *5,779(**,848) **,***(**,***) 16.12.22


macross is dead
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Delta was so disappointing by the end, that it retroactively made Frontier great by comparison.
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>>14975356
Delta was utter shit. Give us another Frontier and another Sheryl and the numbers will pile up.

>>14975496
Frontier was always a neat, fun ride.

Delta was so disappointing by the end, that it made Logos great by comparison.

FTFY
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>>14966672
He burned his rune. My sides.
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>>14973952
There, here's your (You) for making me chuckle with Alto.
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>>14975356
That's about average for a mecha series though.
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From the last special we know that Kaname used to appear in dubious videos. Confirmed JAV actress ?
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>>14976606
And if you take away the Macross name from it, it will perform even more poorly than the average mecha series.
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>>14977658
If you don't count barely mecha-related anime like Girls und Panzer, Infinite Stratos, Tiger and Bunny than Delta is the best selling mecha TV anime since Gundam 00 s2.
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>>14977705
Even G-Reco managed 15k on average.
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>>14973952
He's without any exaggeration a fucking retard.
If he hasn't learned his lesson by now he never will.
Macross is dead now, what a waste and only one culprit.
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>>14975356
ガンダム Gのレコンギスタ 【全9巻】
巻数 初動 累計 発売日
BD(DVD) BD(DVD)
01巻 3,864(*,837) 4,487(*,***) 14.12.25 ※合計 5,324枚
02巻 7,322(*,812) 7,990(*,***) 15.01.28 ※合計 8,802枚
03巻 6,105(*,627) 7,464(*,***) 15.02.20 ※合計 8,091枚
04巻 6,401(*,710) 6,981(*,***) 15.03.27 ※合計 7,691枚
05巻 6,179(*,691) 6,903(*,***) 15.04.24 ※合計 7,594枚
06巻 6,293(*,717) 6,631(*,***) 15.05.27 ※合計 7,348枚
07巻 5,890(*,662) 6,444(*,***) 15.06.26 ※合計 7,106枚
08巻 5,658(*,647) 6,328(*,***) 15.07.24 ※合計 6,975枚
09巻 6,300(*,712) 6,694(*,***) 15.08.26 ※合計 7,406枚
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>>14977705
It sure doesn't help that most robot shows since then have been terrible.
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>>14977705
Thanks event ticket bundle in a lot of volumes.
Doesn't change the fact it's shit show though.

Oh and if you talk about business, since Macross series cannot sold the stream rights to oversea, it always have one less way to earn money.
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>>14978109
And other mecha series cannot sell music albums.

Buy the way Cruncyroll licenses are really cheap, like 100k-200k for a show. Only very unsuccessful series really rely on those.
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>>14978262
The next Macross isn't going to get away with this again. Delta almost feels like fraud.
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>>14978328
>The next Macross

Even knowing Kawamori's previous attempts at quitting this franchise, I can't help but feel that we're going to be stuck with this stinker as our last, cause the complete lack of effort definitely feels like a rage quit from a production pov.
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>>14978262
>Buy the way Cruncyroll licenses are really cheap, like 100k-200k for a show.

Wrong.
Oversea(海外) already having average 32% for each show's income.
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>>14978262
Does it change the fact Delta is shit then? really, all you Delta can do is "it sells" to defend this show?
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>>14978398

What's number 5 out if interest?
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>>14978405
License goods, such as figures, t-shirts, posters etc.
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>>14978398
What's 8?
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>>14978423
Mostly it's about pachiko.
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>>14973941
He forbid the writing team from doing any meaningful change to the plot like they did for Destiny, he also fucked with the interactions between other series and it
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>>14978478
source required
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>>14978398
I'm glad that you saved this chart you saw on /a/ from annual anime industry report even though you have no idea what it means. English version is report is available too, read it.
Those numbers include all oversea sales for all anime. And it's mostly home video and license cost to show it on actual TV, something late night anime can rarely dream about. Streaming licenses are cheap as fuck and rough numbers were posted countless times on /a/. CR would never be able to survive if it had to pay any more than what I said for every show. Even China which is actually a bigger anime market (having more viewers) than US only pays like 500K per license top.
So just lurk more.
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>>14970354
GO HOME APPLE GIRL
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>>14978369
>as our last
Ha.

Did you know that SATELIGHT Inc. is a child company of SANKYO co.,LTD?
Did you know that SANKYO co.,LTD is in top 3 of biggest pachinko manufacturer in Japan?
Did you know that according to its 2016 financial report 2nd most selling pachinko and 3rd most selling pachislot are from Macross Frontier?
And finally did you know that SANKYO is the main sponsor of Walkure LIVE concerts?

We all know the magic power of pachinko gods. And it seems they already have big expectations from Delta and Walkure. They will never let Macross die. Actually the opposite, we might get even more Macross in the nearest future (just like we got Logos).
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I just watched the last Frontier movie for the first time and it really got me thinking. I enjoyed the Frontier show but it seems like they took the ideas for the movies and shoehorned them into Delta.

The magical singing was in frontier but they really forced it in the movies, and then we have Alto doing magic flying because of the singing. It seems they took those ideas and made Delta follow those.

I'm not sure what anyone else thinks but it all really soured me on the brand.
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>>14980309
It's because Frontier was so popular.
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>>14980309
>I'm not sure what anyone else thinks but it all really soured me on the brand.

So because you hate Delta it extends to the ALL the Macross series ? Wow. I guess that's what nerd rage does to you but still wow. I get it man, Delta was a freaking disppointment for me too, and there is no way in hell I'll ever watch it again. But it certainly didn't take away my love of Frontier, 7 or even DYRL.
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>>14980380
I guess I should have made clear that it soured me on the brand going forward.

Don't get all pissy now.
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I can't wait for Kawamori's new project to flop.
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>>14980309
Try watching other Macrosses too. And then re-watch Frontier TV again because you have extremely short memory.

>The magical singing was in frontier
As well as in Macross 7 and Macross 0.

>and then we have Alto doing magic flying because of the singing.
He was using song buffs and getting magic trails in Frontier TV too. And it was in Macross 0 before that.
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>>14980942
Macross 0 confirmed the cancer killing macross.
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>>14980985

It has the best animation besides Plus though. Better transformations
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>>14980942
>The magical singing was in frontier
>As well as in Macross 7 and Macross 0.
It was only in Frontier and Zero where you had magical energy trails. And only in Frontier where singing had you get a boost to responsiveness while flying.

In Delta singing is straight-up steroid injection to make a novice fly better than a skilled pilot.
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>>14981025
>It was only in Frontier and Zero where you had magical energy trails.
Yes, thanks for repeating my post:
>He was using song buffs and getting magic trails in Frontier TV too. And it was in Macross 0 before that.

But if we are talking about singing as being magical it begins in 7 with its spiritia beams and other stuff.
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>>14979548
Based pachinko gods. I hope they let Messer live in the movies.
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>>14980886
>I can't wait for Kawamori's new project to flop.

So is he going to remake Arjuna ?
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>>14980985
You mean best entry in the franchise
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>>14981052
No but 7 treated it very differently. Music manipulated and generated this essential, almost soul-like energy.

In Delta it's literally just crystal meth that pilots can take to outfly other pilots.
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>>14978563
Not that guy but it doesn't change the fact Delta is shit though, in fact it shows how lame of Japanese otaku's taste.
Also the other fact is most people here don't buy Delta's BD/CD/goods etc(maybe you have, but you're just one person), so talking sales here is pointless.

Also the other fact is China paid way more than 500k per license, you can god some Chinese forum such as baidu to ask for it(if you know chinese).
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>>14956140
Honestly though idolshit is getting slightly over-saturated in anime in-general.
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>>14981414
>>14978563
Nah 500k per license top for China is about right, but most 1 cour show's cost is about 1-1.5 million, so even we cut it half for China's license=250k, add CR's 150k, that's already 400k which already covered 25-40% of one cour show's cost, and if there's a show that luck getting 500k+200k=700k, that means it's already covered 50-70% of the cost, so please don't treat CR/China's 100-200k/500k top like nothing, it's clearly something, and not cheap.

For 2 cour show i assume won't be doubling the license fee, and maybe that's one of the reason split cour shows is a lot more than 2 cour shows in recent years(schedule still the main reason though).
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Harmony Gold has no power in China so Delta can sell streaming licenses there without any problems.

>>14981225
No, it's going to be even worse:
>Organic compounds and inorganic compounds, light and darkness, life and death… The intersection of two completely opposite elements often prompts signs of new potentials. I am going to challenge to create a piece of entertainment that no one has ever seen by combining the “coolest” forefront technologies and the drive of human’s burning souls, just like how the species evolved.
>Shoji Kawamori June 30th, 2016.
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>>14981497
>Harmony Gold has no power in China so Delta can sell streaming licenses there without any problems.

At first i thought the same but then i find out none of any Chinese sites bought the streaming rights(you can see the show in streaming site like bilibili but that's fan sub version), so i dunno, maybe Harmony Gold also registered the rights in China, maybe Chinese streaming site don't care about this show.
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>>14981521
>you can see the show in streaming site like bilibili but that's fan sub version
Are you sure it's fan sub? Just checked and it doesn't have Tokyo MX, BS11 or any other TV channel watermark. Chinks would have to rip it from one of japanese streaming sites instead of using RAWs which looks like too much hustle for your average chinese fansub.
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>>14980942
>He was using song buffs and getting magic trails in Frontier TV too. And it was in Macross 0 before that
Nigger, care to point out when did Alto suddenly become a god tier pilot in the show or movie because of songs? The only thing that kept happening was the songs being used to confuse the Vajra, even in the final battle in the tv show all the song did was rob the queen of the drones and it still didn't make Alto a god pilot like they kept doing in Delta

Even in the fucking movie it just made his plane move faster than the big ass Vajra-Frontier


Frontier didn't have any of the bullshit song deus ex machina to save their pilots
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>>14956033
From
>Music? So this is what protoculture really is, no longer are we a slave race used as soldiers!

to
>DUDE MUSIC = MAGIC LMAO HAHAHA
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>>14981497
> I am going to challenge to create a piece of entertainment that no one has ever seen by combining the “coolest” forefront technologies and the drive of human’s burning souls

How does it fell to have your head so far up your ass Kawamori?
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>>14973281
That is a lot of fuckin' Nana.
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>>14982081
Ask Kojima and his drones
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>>14982080
So, 12 years?
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>>14981552
Yes i'm sure.
>【幻之×诸神×DHR】
That's the fan sub group's name.
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>>14982074
>Nigger, care to point out when did Alto suddenly become a god tier pilot in the show or movie because of songs?
I've watched Frontier like 6 years ago and I still remember it.
I'm pretty sure it was episode 7 when despite Touhou on Lunatic level of heavy fire he evaded everything, suddenly achieved hyperspeed and managed to wreck some big Vajra with the help of song buffs and magic trails. Even Ozma was surprised. And don't forget Alto never piloted VF before episode 1 which means he became a very skilled pilot in a matter of ~1 month..

>it still didn't make Alto a god pilot like they kept doing in Delta
Since when did Hayate become god pilot in Delta? It's the same shit as in Frontier. He shot down Bogue in episode 8 and Keith in episode 13 only because he managed to transform, target and fire FASTER than his opponent.

>bullshit song deus ex machina
Learn what deus ex machina means, retard.
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>>14982142
Here's a link to episode 26 I found:
http://bangumi.bilibili.com/anime/v/96019
It doesn't mention 【幻之×诸神×DHR】 anywhere and it also says something about "copyright owner blocked it for your country" which implies that there is some kind of licensing there.
Maybe there're 2 versions: official and fan subs? Just like we have official CR streams and then sometimes some crazy fan sub group which has not died yet does alternative translation.
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>>14982149
I'm at home now so I can download episode and make webm.
Well, no orange magic trails (it's indeed feature of 0 and movies only), but clearly song buffs with sudden speed boosts and impossible steep turns. Few episodes later he was fighting with Brera and without Sheryl singing he couldn't pull the same manoeuvres.
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>>14982180
Because bilibili want to avoid every risk, even it's only 1%.
But if you use the genre page, you can find it is the fansub group upload it.
http://www.bilibili.com/video/bangumi-two-1.html#!page=1&range=2016-09-25%2C2016-09-26&order=hot

And i clicked your link, i can sure both you and me's link are point to same video because it's from same uploader and both still having sponsor page(which shouldn't have that if the show is licensed).
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>>14982373
Yeah, it seems so. I browsed through bilibili's anime collection and it seems all licensed anime has this button in the bottom right probably asking to pay for it, e.g:
http://bangumi.bilibili.com/anime/3451 (I know for sure it was licensed by bilibili)
http://bangumi.bilibili.com/anime/3494
http://bangumi.bilibili.com/anime/5058

Delta doesn't have this button:
http://bangumi.bilibili.com/anime/3530
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>>14975356
Still the best selling Mecha series of the entire year.
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>>14982369
>>14982149
Even in the episode he barely could keep up with Brera, he was straining whenever he tried to keep up with him, they also outright talk about how the song is confusing the Vajra and making them slow

>Since when did Hayate become god pilot in Delta? It's the same shit as in Frontier. He shot down Bogue in episode 8 and Keith in episode 13 only because he managed to transform, target and fire FASTER than his opponent.
How about when Hayate out of nowhere managed to defat Keith because of bullshit song when Keith was simply toying with him, Hayate couldn't beat anyone with a bullshit song to help him through the anime

>Learn what deus ex machina means, retard.
Oh the ironing
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>>14982533
>Even in the episode he barely could keep up with Brera
>they also outright talk about how the song is confusing the Vajra and making them slow
How does it deny the fact that Alto was obviously using song buffs in >>14982369 webm?

>How about when Hayate out of nowhere managed to defat Keith
Because Hayate managed to transform, target and fire FASTER than his opponent. It's less about skill, and more about difference in speed and manoeuvrability of their VFs. Also it was heavily implied that magic trails actually slow time around the plane.

Also
>that appears or is introduced SUDDENLY and UNEXPECTEDLY
It was introduced in episode 1, then shown again in episode 3, then in episode 6, then in episode 8 and then in almost every episode after that. Really "suddenly" and "unexpected". You need to learn to read as well.
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>>14982573
>How does it deny the fact that Alto was obviously using song buffs in >>14982369 webm?
You do know that in the webm you posted that is Brera doing his weird ass cyborg piloting right?
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>>14982586
Actually he is. As I said I have watched F 6 years ago and when trying to make webm I didn't even notice it's different colour of VF.
I feel kinda stupid, but still in final episodes Alto was flying on par with Brera. His plane even got abnormal purple glow.
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>>14982985

I don't follow VAs, did she leave the industry at some point?
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>>14970354
Mirage in charge of being a complete and total bro.
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It's sad that no one has any good things to say about Delta.
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>>14983522

There's at least a small number of vocal people here who like both the music and Freyja, so that's not actually true. Plenty of people praise the first half too. I think a lot of the cracks in the show were evident by episodes 7 or 8 and am ambivalent on both the music and Freyja, but people do still have good things to say about them and thus the show so trying to pretend otherwise is just ignorant really.
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>>14981229

Nah m8, that was p awful.
desu senpai.
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>>14983149
She got pregnant.
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>>14956773

Thats good imo, megaroad will be finally a real unsolved mistery.
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>>14956773
Hahahahahaha! People actually believe this.
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>>14983522
I liked Freyja and got de discs. I might even buy the plamax figures.
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>>14983522
There are some things I liked, seems like the bad overshadowed the good though.

Some of the music was enjoyable. Freyja as a character was good. The setting with fringe planets part of the NUN was neat.

Ultimately there were too many characters so there was little to no character development.

I hope if there is another iteration of Macross in the future that they stop making NUNS cannon fodder. 2 series in a row now where the teenage private military company pilots fly the cooler mechs and the NUNS are basically just shitty pilots and cowards.
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>>14984873
>Ultimately there were too many characters so there was little to no character development.
Don't think since after 24 episodes only Freyja+little of Messer and Kaname have development.
Most people not asking every character have character development, but 1+0.5 seems still not right.

If anything, i won't say Macross Delta is bad, i will say it's wasted: settings, story, characters...many things are wasted, and that maybe the reason why so many people being angry after the show ends, because wasting potential is even worst than just being bad.
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The main problem I had with Delta was that they kept trying to push Windermere faction as sympathetic when they were unlikable assholes.
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>>14984873
>2 series in a row now where the teenage private military company pilots
You mean 3, right? Remember 7? The heroes weren't even military, they were hippies.
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>>14985343
it was a government project where they provided the latest military tech and civilians were allowed to use them
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>>14986617
cute
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>>14956033
Walkure was a mistake. Bland characters and some of them can't sing for shit.
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How long can Walkure last? Less than a year?
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>>14990019
Have you heard about Wake Up Girls?

In the beginning of 2014 they released and TV anime (flopped, 2640 discs sold) and prequel movie for it (flopped, less than 100k USD box office). Despite this shitty start they made another movie later (flopped, less than 100k USD box office). And if it wasn't enough they made another one at the end of 2015 (flopped, less than 100k USD box office). Also somewhere in-between they made a series of shorts (flopped, 873 discs sold).

They also made a mobile game about WUG idols, but it was closed in less than a year due to low online.

Then they released 2 albums (both flopped, 7.6k and 3.8k CDs sold) and 20+ singles (guess what? all flopped).

And despite all of that they are still alive for almost 3 years now. Which means it doesn't matter how popular something is, producers can keep it alive as long as they want.
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>>14990690
Wake Up, Girl Zoo!, the short where they were animals trying to keep a zoo open was fun. One of the few non-hentai shows where you could see idols eating people.
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Can someone spoil me Delta's end? I didn't had the chaged to watch past episode 12 and I dont think I'll be able to watch it in a month or so :(
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>>14982985
To do what?
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>>14991744
T E R R I B L E E N D I N G
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>>14991744
Did you watch Frontier?
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>>14991744

Mikumo WUZ protoculture.
Best girl won.
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>>14992575

Neither Mikumo nor Kaname won though. They're weren't great, but they were better than any of the other choices.
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>>14990690
Why do they bother to keep it going?
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>>14983522
The VF-31 is nice and the only people who will disagree either hate the show without a second thought or masturbate to the VF-25.
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>>14993176
But I like both. Say what you want about delta but kawamori is great at designing mecha.
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>>14956112
I've seen this thrown around a lot lately, is there a source? I'm curious.
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>>14993322
That's like the only thing he's still good at.
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>>14993523

https://gubabablog.wordpress.com/category/macross-delta/

There's probably better sources out there than the phone post picture of a magazine interview it includes a few posts down, but it was the first Google return and I'm being lazy since I'm no a phone myself.
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>>14994702
I guess that makes Mikumo Meiya then as both are best girl of their series.
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>>14993139
Creativity, dream, and masturbation
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>>14998947
FREYJA IS PURE

DELET THIS
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>>15000303
pure is slut
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>>15000303
>PURE
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Freyja is pretty good, but Sheryl is unbeatable
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>>14981497
>>Organic compounds and inorganic compounds, light and darkness, life and death… The intersection of two completely opposite elements often prompts signs of new potentials. I am going to challenge to create a piece of entertainment that no one has ever seen by combining the “coolest” forefront technologies and the drive of human’s burning souls, just like how the species evolved.
>>Shoji Kawamori June 30th, 2016.
Kawamori has regressed again
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>>14956033
The truth is that this shit is worthless not even to mention.

sage and hidden
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best girl
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>>14973952
Well, at least we got some of the best mecha music/songs because of his faggot ass.
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i wish the show treated her better
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>>15012257
What a nice cosplay, she even got Mirage's ugliness.
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>>15000303
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I love Kaname
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>>15016128
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>>15016235
Good taste.
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>>15016235
>>15017264
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>>14956033
this shite is one of the worst shits ever done.

god damn it
it's so stupiddd, sooo sttuuuppiidddd
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>>15001370
His wish became reality, he finally killed the franchise. Asshole.
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>>15017439
no, moe shit and idols killed the franchise.
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>>15017439
That quote has nothing to do with Macross you retard.
>>15017444
You're also retarded.
>hurr the creator added more of something I don't like it's finished!!!
Idiot. Do you flip your plate when mommy gives you too many brussel sprouts?
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>>15017450
fuck off fake cancerfag
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>>15017450
Macross is over anon.
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>>15017439

When did he wish that?
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>>15017858
when He created the 7 and frontier
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>>15017864

If he'd wanted to murder it he wouldn't have come back to create Plus, 7, Frontier, Zero or Delta. He'd just have left it die after II by someone else's hands. Just because you don't like the result doesn't mean he set out to kill it.
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>>15016081
>we never got to see her macronized

This displeases my inner sizefag
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So still no word of a Delta movie?
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>>15022860
If movie happens they won't announce it before walkures live concert in January.
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>>15022860
Nobody cares
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>>15019160
this slut
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Well, /m/, is she?
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>>15025791

Pretentious cunts are the very antithesis of cute.
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Fat chance of a movie happening.
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>>15021775
I feel your pain.
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>>15023172
Obviously you do otherwise you wouldn't be in this thread. Unless you came in here to bash a show you dislike but haha what kind of person would waste their time like that?
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Anime merchandise is funny.
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If Delta was waifu pandering then why didn't we get as much porn as Frontier did?
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>>15027132

A general rule with hentai is that the more explicit the source is in it's designs and pandering the less fan content there is. Presumably because more people feel satisfied with what the source gives them and don't feel the need to create more content. Also, Frontier was just more popular than Delta. A lot more. So there was more just due to greater interest.
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>>15027132
It's liquid shit
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smug
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No movie?
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>>15033507
More concerts instead
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>>15017900
Pic unrelated, but did we all wish Messer a happy birthday?
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https://vote.animefestival.jp/
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>>15035627

> 112the place
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>>15035652
Out of 544? I guess it could be worse.
And I'm pretty sure that if Delta ended on episode 13 without that terrible 2nd half it wouldn't get any better results in this poll. Delta failed miserably at trying to reach generic audience. From the very first episodes it had less art on pixiv and twitter than half of the shows airing in the same season. As well as less active threads both on 2channel and 4chan. That's why I'm very skeptical about movie despite decent CD sales.

On a positive note
>13. Fafner EXODUS
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>>15035778

Could be worse, but it's still like 1% or something looking at the representation bar so I doubt the difference between it and whatever's in place number 427 (random number) is that big a number of votes regardless. And even if it had ended at episode 13 I wouldn't be that big a fan personally, since even putting aside the unresolved plot points regarding Mikumo or the fact everything regarding Windermere would be unresolved you'd still have Hayate getting revenge for Messer in the very next fight after he dies in a really unsatisfactory way. More than anything though I just didn't find anything beyond about episode 4 all that engaging in and of itself. It was fine as tension building stuff or groundwork, but only if the pay off is worth that wait and I don't think the pay off is, even just limiting it to 13 episodes. The show is just missing the energy and passion the first episode (and to a lesser degree the next 2 or 3) promised and even just limiting it to the first half doesn't make it good to me. It starts great, but it flounders fast in my opinion, not just in the second half.
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>>15035627
Delta isn't a flop they said.
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>>15036303
Top 20 consists only of fujoshit and shows with heavy male cast.

For example Love Live is #76. It probably was a huge flop too.
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best lesbo couple
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>>14959009
i love moeshit, would I love delta? or is it bad moeshit?
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>>15036488
>i love moeshit,
kill yourself
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it was bad
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>>15035778
fuck this shit, roadkill franchise
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>>15036488
It's a boring show with no redeeming merits not even fan service.
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>>15036488

Well mr Hitler, if you like this miracle of the universe you'll be alright.
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>>15039806
That's false advertisement. If the whole Delta was like that webm it would be the best anime ever. Instead Delta was more event focused than character focused (at leas in the 1st half. In 2nd half It was "nothing focused")
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>>15039898
Speak for yourself, I watched it specifically for Freyja since the best Macross was already SDF or 7.
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>>14956140
I dont understand the drugs thing
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>>15040130
Same here, the lack of drugs is what's wrong with Macross these days.
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>>15036488
>i love moeshit
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So, over at nyaa someone has released the 5th BD Volume of Delta, although I still want to know of the specials of it and from the 4th one.
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Delta is a unique entry in the Macross franchise in that it is the only one that is just totally irredeemably terrible from start to finish.
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Best girl
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>>15040708
Frontier still exists so no its not the only one
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>>15042582
Frontier started off fine. Delta is just bad throughout.
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>>15042578
I liked her.
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>>15042594

I liked her too but fuck me if Kawamori wasn't all to happy to basically ignore her I didn't want her to win the Hayabowl but fuck give her something.

She wasn't shit on as bad as Zessica but christ.
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>>15035003
The last set.
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>>14956033
Delta is good.
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>>15043775
Lewd!
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OTP
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>>15048128
Reminds me of this shot
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>>14966787
literally shaking
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>>15046293
You don't have to lie to yourself anon.
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Welp, got a new job, pays well, and I'm surprised nippon-yasan still allowed new order.

Pretty much the only thing I like about Delta.
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>>15048132
Zessica a cute
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>>15046293
shit taste anon
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