When will we see a good UC OVA again?

Because Zeon sells.

>>14936981

0079 isn't any different, prove me wrong. Protip: you can't.

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>not wanting to drop scolonies on shitposters, feddie donut supply and the potato people

WHAT THE FUCK

>was made to make the genocidal Zeon look good
>0080
>shows a relatively decent team of Zeon soldiers to showcase some human moments with the backdrop of Zeon getting ready to nuke the colony at the orders of a guy literally named Killing just to blow up one mobile suit
>0083
>get a former Zeon soldier who wants to return to the battlefield while every other Zeon character engages in a tactical nuclear strike on the Federation fleet and then drops a fucking colony on Earth
>08th MS Team
>female lead who's caught up in the war because of family who tries to leave it and one honorable soldier who still murders several pilots mercilessly along with a literal lunatic Zeon engineer who kills people on his side because they outlive their usefulness to him along with a fairly brutal assault on Federation forces

I'll give you Unicorn as being pretty much Zeonwank, but the 90s OVAs showed Zeon as being overall pretty awful with a few good people.

I just want Advance of Zeta or Sentinel made into a dang OVA. The designs are FAR too good to be left as concept art.

>>14937214
Unless the companies owning the licenses go belly-up, don't count on it happening any time soon, if ever.

>>14937210
Thunderbolt,Igloo also Zeonwank.

>>14937210

The Sleeves in Unicorn are no better, and in episode 2 alone (their intro proper), Full Frontal is ready to sacrifice Marida just for the possibility of information on the box. They slaughter civilians at Torrington to sate a desire for revenge, have a coldly nihilistic plan that involves impoverishing Earth and more besides.

Unicorn humanises Zeon through Marida, Zinnerman and the crew of the Garancieres, but that's no different than the OVAs you just mentioned - or even 0079 itself frankly. The Sleeves and Zeon remnants are still presented as bad. They're given reasons for why they're doing it and emotions, but that's not the same as justification or glorification and the show never says what they're doing s good.

> in b4 lol weekend at Torrington, Feddies aren't human

Not actually part of the show for one, and not what was said for another.

>>14937210
This Zeon mame is a bit 'too much here.

0080 has no intention of being pro Zeon, in fact, it is written by Tomino who just tries to be neutral.
0083 Shows Gato and Delaz honorable only apparently, because in fact they are two dangerous fundamentalists who represent the worst of zeon in their blind faith. Cima, herself a victim of Zeon, remarks this for the viewer.
I do not remember great zeonwank in 08thMs. The Federation is full of corrupt scumbs and Zeon is full of extremists like Aina brother, but on both sides there are honorable warriors.

The Zeonwank is a more recent thing.

>>14937253
Then explain how Zeeks are always better fleshed out than Feddies, who are always portrayed as complete asshats. It's like Sunrise doesn't even try

>>14937278

> 0080
> written by Tomino

That aside, I don't agree that Cima is a victim of Zeon, even with her backstory (which might actually make her worse, not better), since she stays loyal to Zeon despite all the horrible shit she knows they're doing and all the betrayal to her and only turns on them when Zeon abandons her. That's not victimisation, that's just idiocy. Also, Unicorn and Thunderbolt are no different than the ones you just named. You're just refusing to list the same stuff for them because you're buying in to the meme yourself.

>>14936981
There are plans to animate HF in the next years

>>14937291

Explain why it's okay when 0079 does it, or ZZ. Or CCA - but not the OVAs.

>>14937214
AoZ is complete utter rubbish, Sentinel is fine though.

>>14937304
You know I do not understand what your point is.
I do not disagree with your idea of Cima and this show how miserable she was too. Should be Zeonwank this?

Don't think so.
I think Zeonwank is where federation win the war, but story always shows zeon soldiers winning their battle.

0080, 0083, 08ms, are not not imbalanced about this.

>>14937291

The Federation in Unicorn has Bright, Daguza, and Otto between Londo Bell and ECOAS, and they're some of the most sympathetic and nice characters in the story. And that's just the explicitly good ones. If you include Mihiro, Conroy and other bit players they look even more sympathetic.

>>14937341

My point with Cima isn't to say she's Zeonwank, just that I don't buy her as tragic given her decision to remain with Zeon regardless of how badly they misused her.

Also, 0080, 0083 and 08th MS Team are only not imbalanced if you include protagonist fights. Which is also true of Unicorn.

>>14937312
> ZZ
> Colony drop on Dublin gets almost indirectly approved by the Feds.

>>14937126
>Zeon sells
Do people really like genocidal space Nazi's that much??

>>14937403
yes
see also
The Empire sells

>>14937394

Thank you for proving my point I guess? See also: 0079, where the Federation almost capitulates to Zeon because they're afraid and overwhelmed, where one guy wants to arrest the crew of the White Base because they're in on war secrets, where the Federation use them as bait throughout the show and so on.

>>14937419
>proofing that the feds cant be competent
Isn't this the point?

>>14937445

The point seemed to be that it was only OVAs that had incompetent or shitty portrayals of the Federation and that 0079 and/or Tomino works weren't guilty of the same thing. Hence the thread title and mention of 0079 as an exemplar in the OP.

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>>14936981
I'll do you one better: Why can't we have a UC Gundam OVA/TV series where there is simply no Zeon at all, no ifs, ands, or buts? Better yet, why not a series that doesn't try to feed us the lesson that magic psychics will bring about world peace, a lesson which is not only bullshit by the standards of its own franchise but wholly inapplicable to the real world where there are no magic psychics?

>>14937464

> why not a series that doesn't try to feed us the lesson that magic psychics will bring about world peace

No UC series has ever tried to run with that narrative. They normally do exactly the opposite and say that even magic psychics can't bring about world peace, and the best they can do is buy a temporary reprieve by helping end whatever conflict is currently underway. Several of them have had magic psychics enable the conflict rather than buy world peace.

Not even Unicorn says it for all the flak it gets. It's Mineva's speech that buys peace, not Banagher becoming a newtype God.

>>14937278
Tomino had no involvement with 0080.

>>14937464
A non newtype hax series? Not gonna happen

>>14937356
>Cima wouldn't stay with Zeon if she hated them

But that was the point, she has nowhere else to go. If she ran to the Federation they'd have had her tried and killed as a war criminal. She's equally treated like shit by Zeon for her actions, despite being tricked, but they won't kill her on sight.

As far as I recall, she's just a rogue agent until Delaz recruits her and the only reason she joined is because she's a double agent.

>>14936981
>OVAs make Zeon look good and Federation look bad

But both the series and the OVAs show decent and honorable grunts and pilots from both sides and generally corrupt and selfish leadership.

But I don't recall any series outright glorifying Zeon as being the good guys or doing the right thing. They're just not two dimensional villains. They have reasons for believing in what they're doing. Just as the protags do.

>>14937728

Except the choice isn't that binary, because even though the war between Zeon and the Federation had taken up a lot of the Earthsphere, there was still the Jupiter Energy Fleet and Side 6 as outsider options if she'd really felt she couldn't take Zeon but couldn't go to the Federation.

Putting that aside though, the idea she'd be killed as a war criminal if she went to the Feds is highly questionable. There's a good chance she would be if she went there with nothing and never contributed anything. If she brought any kind of intelligence or resources with her though there's not a hope she would be. Factions deal with and take in traitors all the time in war. They might not completely trust them, but Zeon had definitely and without question fucked her so mistrust is better than mistreatment. Even then though, even if she had no intelligence to give, no resources to bring, nothing - she could serve as a propaganda unit by excoriating Zeon publically for what she'd been made to do in their name.

She doesn't seem that upset by what she's made to do though. She has nightmares, but what little we see of her in the Mayfly of Space shorts makes her seem like she still retained loyalty to Zeon and only became a pirate because Zeon had kicked her to the curb and left her alone, so she worked with the Federation because she was tired of wandering - not because she had any particular animosity to Zeon for making her a war criminal, destroying her home or abandoning her.

>>14937779
>Except the choice isn't that binary, because even though the war between Zeon and the Federation had taken up a lot of the Earthsphere, there was still the Jupiter Energy Fleet and Side 6 as outsider options if she'd really felt she couldn't take Zeon but couldn't go to the Federation.
Side 6 is a stretch. It's like saying Axis officers accused of war crimes could openly retire to Portugal or Switzerland after WWII. Don't forget that Side 6 was secretly aligned with the Federation near the end of the war, having a secret Feddy base and openly allowing their warships to dock there. The JEF is more likely since they operate quite far from the Federation and in some cases have been implied to be sympathetic to Zeon.

>She doesn't seem that upset by what she's made to do though.
She has PTSD and was horrified by seeing colonists die. How is that not upset? If you're talking about her usual cavalier attitude, that's how she dealt with becoming a scapegoat and black sheep of the armed forces. She toughened up because she was responsible for the soldiers under her command.

>not because she had any particular animosity to Zeon for making her a war criminal, destroying her home or abandoning her.
You're joking, right? Her whole plan was to get revenge by fucking over the Delaz fleet. That's why she bothers to confront Delaz in person and assassinate him on the bridge of the Gwaden.

The only other material that tries to better explain Cima would be 0083 Rebellion (the manga and the picture drama from the recent 0083 BD) which shows her only remaining loyal until the end of the OYW - past that point, she's definitely pissed.

Also, she's probably forced to be loyal - From the point that her unit was used for the gassing attacks until the end of the war, she doesn't exactly have an easy way of officially disputing the charges. She's a soldier and rebelling means court martial or death. Staying loyal means their unit gets resupplied, at the least.

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>>14937189
>FTFY

>>14936981
How is Thunderbolt Zeonwank? Because it portrays Zeon soldiers as not horrible people? If so, you made a fucking mistake, you should be saying "every UC story INCLUDING 0079 was made to make the genocidal Zeon look good."

>>14938815
Nah portraying Zeon as anything but mustachio twirling villains in spess is Zeon fanwank

>>14938815
>Zeon wrecked the thunderbolt sector horribly destroyed the colonies in that area
>Feddies portrayed as dicks
>Zeon portrayed as ok guys
Hows this not Zeonwank?

>>14938851
never change /m/

>>14938974
A single feddie is portrayed as a dick, you know, just like that Zeon scientist is a dick. Don't try and say that tactical beam saber was a dick move.

And also, the Living Dead division didn't destory Side 4

>>14939211
>captain from the feds is incompetent AF
>Second man is a dick to her and backstabs
>Zeon crew is competent
>Captain is a nice dude
pls anon

>>14938974
>Feddies portrayed as dicks
Wat?

If you're talking about Io, you're oversimplifying it. On the surface, he's a adrenaline junkie corrupted by the war Zeon brought to his homeland, but if you've read the manga, he's actually a really cool guy that's making the best of the situation he finds himself in.

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>>14938772
>>14937189

United forever in the march to tomorrow,
Our mighty sides will ever endure.
Zeon will live through the ages.
The dream of spacenoids, their fortress secure.

Long live our Zeonic motherland,
Built by spacenoid's mighty hand.
Long live our people, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire.
Long may our veridian flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.

Through days dark and stormy where Great Gihren lead us
Our eyes saw the bright stars of freedom above
And Degwin our leader with faith in the people,
Inspired us to build up the land that we love.

Long live our Zeonic motherland,
Built by spacenoid's mighty hand.
Long live our people, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire.
Long may our veridian flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.

We fought for the future, destroyed the invaders,
And brought to our cradle the laurels of fame.
Our glory will live in the memory of nations
And all generations will honour her name.

Long live our Zeonic motherland,
Built by spacenoid's mighty hand.
Long live our people, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire.
Long may our veridian flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.

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>>14939878
GTFO

>>14939842
Pretty much this. Io is actually one of the better Gundam protagonists we've had

What the fuck is 4chans obsession with likeable characters
Characters do not need to be likeable
Humans are not likeable

>>14939842
Fucking this. He's really nice a character as soon as the story allows us to know him better.

>>14940083
Because stories need a moral center, you autistic fuck

>show highly skilled, highly disciplined, experienced soldiers that drank the "honorable warrior" kool-aid while still making it clear as day that faction has no true honor and the men in charge are corrupt and evil
>zeonwank

If wanking anything it is wanking the concept of tragic characters on the losing side. In Unicorn it outright trumpets them out as useful idiots at best, with Torrington being their single most successful maneuver, which they immediately lose in a massive turnaround the moment the federal forces muster properly at all. The fact that Frontal later confirms that he was letting them kill themselves off further cements this. Every other engagement of Zeon forces that aren't Frontal Team themselves ends in piles of wrecked antiques.

>>14940103
Moral=/=likeable
>>14940083
But I do have to wonder, what do you mean by likable? Do you mean the classic heroic traits? Or even characters like Char, that find their popularity in being a prick.

Simple create a timeline where Zeon finally wins.

Everything has been a Feddiewank except for MS IGLOO which decided to play it neutral until the 2nd series I can see why Bandai doesn't want to do a 'Zeon Wins' show because then that would mean peace would finally come to UC at last. But who wants to always see the bad guys win and the corrupted power structure remain standing as it continues to rot from within?

>>14940628
Funny man.

I kill you last.

>>14939878
Who's the guy on the very left?

>>14941235
I believe that's Zeon Zum Deikun

>>14937403
Yes
your tastes are shit

>>14937253
The slaughter at Torrington was just one girl going berserk posessed by the spirit of her dad. Her mentor/leader even told her to stop and focus on the objective. Bad example my man.

Unicorn as a whole was shit. Feddies bust in and execute Banana's dad and friends, fight inside a colony after initiating combat, and then still end up being good guys.

Also its hard to make Feddies endearing because you have a space jesus MC 90% of the time whos going to win it, and Zeon is near guaranteed to always lose so having likeable characters as the main cast would just repulse the audience and make it look like its skewed in one direction.

>>14940628
> Bandai doesn't want to do a 'Zeon Wins' show because then that would mean peace would finally come to UC at last.

Unlikely. if Zeon had won the OYW, then there would be internal feuds considered that Zabi were dictators, and they were not the only center of power.
In short, other wars would be broken out to oppose the Zabi. The difference is that it would be a Zaku war without gundam...

>>14941329
What? it does not matter. Likable characters can be on both side without any negative effect for the story.

>>14941688
Not to mention a possible Char faction, or Feddie remnants, or the Jovians deciding to start shit up. And of course, Anaheim happily selling weapons to all sides.

>>14941688
>>14941699
That would depend on what version of victory you get. If it's like Girhen becoming top dog and a perfect victory. The world is at peace and begins to migrate to space while at the same time honoring the Federation in order to keep remnant forces from popping up.

Now if certain masked backstabbers start things up, then you could create some more series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xjwdSX3HDE

>>14936981
Never

>>14941329
>so having likeable characters as the main cast would just repulse the audience

...What?

What the hell is that drivel supposed to mean? How would having characters the audience can get behind 'repulse' them?

>>14941329
>what?

Then just play OYW manga and vidya, OP.
Try Missing Link for example.

>>14936981
never