Zeon did everything wrong.

>>14936856
Thats why Zabi did nothing wrong.

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>>14938345
>Thats why Zabi did nothing wrong.

>>14936856
Deikun's not a socialist, though.

>>14938746
does anything out there go into how the Zeon government is run? They have elections? a Parliamentary or direct representation system? Do they have a central manages economy? Things like that.

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>>14938735
>>14938345

>>14938746
His Contolism does sound socialist a bit.

>>14938948
Socialist? It just calls for humanity to leave Earth and that Earth is sacred, doesn't say a damn thing about classes or production or distribution

>>14938982
Becoming Newtypes will take care of classes.
Which in turn will take care of production and distribution in a very empathetic society.

>>14938929
STOP OPPRESSING ME!

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>>14938929

DELETHIS

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>>14938929

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>>14938929

Oh yeah? Well...

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>>14936856
Of course they did everything wrong, they aren't very Bright.

>>14939009
Isn't that great?
If Char would have won, life of the humanity would improve.
And the biologists would get even more job - they would be able to witness the real Ice Age and biological processes.

>>14939120
Agonizing newtype pressure of collective mankind perishing while amplified by the Psycomu would had produced bad results.

>>14939130
Either every newtype would have some fast euthanasia thing to shorten the pressure time, or psycommu would be developed enough to turn off or to suppress the brain signals.
Or people would learn how to deal with death and would be less vulnerable to the brainwaves.

>>14939142
Still a pretty bad scenario to live in.

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>>14939130
I have got better idea.

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>>14939111
Checked and keked.

>>14939146
Kagatie plz die
>>14939143
Nah, everything would be even greater than now.

>>14939149
>>14939111
They did everything Wong

>>14938982

"Just" calling for humanity to leave the earth would imply "we" have social ownership of the earth and that "we" get to decide collectively what everyone has to do to protect the planet.

But of course by "we", it's not really everyone, but only the spacenoids, a special group (read: class) of people

>>14939156
I don't think that Deikun said anything about ownership. The ownership categories can't be applied to his idea.
Spacenoids are not the superior group. They're the people who live in space, that's all. They can't be the social class - there are both proletariat and bourgeoisie members.
The Deikun system demands democratic forms of governing)(something like Direct democracy), since everybody in space are equal, and after the newtypisation of humanity every person would participate in organizing the life on colonies.

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>>14936856
We are not apologizing.

>>14939152
>Kagatie plz die

Oh come on. It's less messy than dropping an asteroid. Imagine how dusty it would be!

>>14939168

No, he did talk about ownership.
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Zeon_Zum_Deikun

"Autonomy for the Sides, sovereignty for the colonists, does not simply mean a revolt against sovereignty on Earth. It means that every human should move into space, that the government of the Earth and the area around it should be placed in the hands of an alliance of all Sides"

Deikun objects to how the Feds make all the major decisions for the Earth (including the space colonization program). The Earth was effectively "owned" by the Earth elites. He wants that ownership to be socialized to the Sides.

And no, this isn't asking for more democracy. He's not saying spacenoids should have a voice *too* along with earthnoids. His idea is that earthnoids should disappear (move to space) and spacenoids will be the ONLY voice.

Think of it this way: it's one thing to say everybody should stop eating meat. What Deikun wants however is that all matters of food production should be decided by vegetarians, with the end goal of eventually turning everybody into vegetarians.

And I didn't say that spacenoids are superior. I said special. Special because, as above, they would be the only ones who have a say on how to run/protect the Earth.

>>14938929

Stop posting your pathetic image. In every thread there is this faggot, I swear. It's fucking retarded and just plain wrong.

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>>14936856
I don't care if they're literal Nazis, Zeon is way more badass than the Feddies could ever be. I'm content to ignore their politics and just wank over their mecha.

>>14939379

t. zeonpologist

>>14939460
But Feddies are WINNERS FOREVER.

>>14939182
Good. Keep that spirit so spacenoid scum get more miserable.

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>>14936856
>filename

Zekes always have the more likeable, sympathetic cast who lives have usually been ruined and just want revenge.

>>14939472
Don't confuse the shifty Federation with based League Militaire.

>>14939742
>Zekes always have the more likeable, sympathetic cast

That's because it's easy to make a Zeke likeable when you show their non-Zeke qualities. It's not them being Zeon that makes them likeable. It's them having qualities BEYOND just being a Zeke.

Guys like Ranba Ral and Dozel were likeable when we see them acting WITHOUT their Zeon cap on, simply as soldiers and fathers.

Then there's Char. Char was most likeable when he was plotting to take revenge on the Zabis in First Gundam, or when he joined AEUG. He became an unlikeable bitter jackass in CCA when he went full Zeon.

Lesson here is you never go full Zeon.

>>14939344
You use the word "socialised". I don't think it means what you think it means.

>>14939321
But asteroid is cheap and it doesn't require any valuable newtypes.

>>14939742
>liking those stupid cripples from Thunderbolt
yeah no
zeke scum must be purged from the universe

>>14939379
t. anally angered zeke

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>Another thread made by butthurt Feddie /m/orons attacking Freedom© because they have no ideals of their own to defend outside of their corrupt system.

It's this post again!
>Federation refused to play ball with Zeon to build a mutually beneficial relationship and started a massive military build up
>All the other Sides minus Side 6 decided they liked having the boot of the Federation on the neck instead of being independent.
>Zeon, knowing that war was inevitable, struck first and neutalized the Federation alligned Sides that would pose a direct threat to the homeland.
>Intend to end the war swiftly by destroying the enemy's GHO, but said enemy redirects it onto expendable Kangaroo Land
>Need to start an Earth invasion because you need to stay on the offensive, raw materials for the war effort and the Federation canon fodder multiplies like rabbits so containment by itself would be a failure.

Inb4 moral fags declare this is somehow 'wrong'

>>14938746
Wasn't he just Space Nieztche? Man's movement into space would create the new evolution of man, the ubermensch.

Then the Zabi's took that and transformed it in racial superiority.

>>14940928
Black_Knight, why are you still here when Trump won?

>>14940958
Helping to Make Space Great Again™

What's your excuse?

>>14941067
Goddamn traitorous cunt.

You were hoping for /pol/'s downfall, I was there.

>>14940938
Big N was an individualist, and Zeon Deikun had never said anything about strong personality. Zeon was around the idea of biological evolution

>>14941275
So social Darwinist.

>>14939146
Despite everything I still prefer the Zanscare Empire more than Zeeks.

At least their determination and ambition is not "muh spacenoid independence" but outright conquer the fuck out of everything and everyone all hail the Goddess Empress of Mankind Maria pia Armonia.

Too bad got rekt by bunch of kiddies piloting an overpowered MS

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>>14941359
>Not liking a fleshed out political adversary
>Instead likes the generic gotta conquer everything evil space empire

>>14940928
Don't you have a colony to be gassing? Or how about impractical MS to be designing? Or how about a leader to be killing cause he actually wanted peace? Zeon couldn't have a mutually beneficial relationship with the federation because Zeon couldn't even support a single colony on its own. There'd be no gain for the federation

>>14940938
Origin Deikun at least was a Spacenoid supremacist. In the manga both Gihren AND Char directly quote his sayings espousing the superiority of Spacenoids.

>>14941362
>>14941359
You both got it wrong.
They were space ISIS.

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>>14940928
>, but said enemy redirects it onto expendable Kangaroo Land
>implying Australians can die or be expendable

Original plan was to invoke collective shitposting on Zeeks, and Zeeks lost.
No wonder Zeekfags can't handle the banter.

>>14939759
Doesn't negate the fact that they STAND UP TO THE VICTORY and hence Zeeks became an extinct specie when Lega Militia rolled out.

>>14939936
You lack sophistication and wasteful of resources.
Learn from us, who sent just one individual at a time and fucked shit up to a greater extent
than an entire nation of bottle dwellers.

>>14941601
Or do they?

There's still Mars Zeon, who know?

>>14941640
They got a whole fucking planet to them, buddy.

>>14941624
Mars Zeon is as good as those Imperial Japanese soldiers holed up in a solitary island thinking war is still going on.
Besides, they are as good as being non-existent since none of those old fucks show up outside that single manga involving F90.
Also,
>not canon

>>14941641
Being only resident of an abandoned building in a crater means nothing.
Mars is irrelevant in UC anyway.

>>14941624
Mars Zeon no longer exists past F91. Because being the typical retarded, butthurt Zeeks that they are, rather than building a new nation or civilization now that they're free of 'Evil Federation Oppression', they instead decided to devote all their limited resources to starting a new war and building a giant gun to shoot shit at the Earth.

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>>14941693
That reminded me of something.

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>>14936856
>Zeon
>did
>everything
>wrong

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>>14942006
>Zeon fags
Apologists who deny their side's atrocities as anything but while spouting about "MUH IDEALS" and fapping to the Gouf

>Titans fags
/pol/ insurgents who claim to be MURICAN, but are every bit as nazi as the zeeks. Only difference is that they're proud of their guys' shit because it makes their balls feel big.

>Federation, AEUG and LM fags
Real heroes of patrician taste. Putting ideals aside for survival and bringing down tyrants.

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>>14942616

>>14942616
You are a wise man
Bestow your knowledge on the ignorants

>>14942616

>not solely being a AEUG fag

rest of the factions are godawful

also Zekes have best suits, I wish they'd update the Feddies arsenal to have something beside GMs, updated GMs, or Gundams.

>>14942793
>liking hoseshit grab surfaces
Jims are justice, this is the strict rule of gendum.

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>>14942793
>aeug

More like disgusting vile animals controlled by their donors.

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>>14942793
>>not solely being a AEUG fag

>Goes on to praise Zeek MS

>>14942814
Jims are boring. Even worse that theres little to no variance in Feddies army outside of repurposing some old Zeeks to make the Hi-Zacks. You're telling me that you dont need specialized suits for different types of combat? That one size fits all? Its dumb senpai.

>>14942843
Yeah now tell me which side won the one year war?

That's right, the one that didn't make a billion different ways to put hoses on a giant robot.

>>14939379
>tfw I'm not the Anon who posted it but I am the Anon who wrote it and I don't think I've ever posted it myself
i wish i could go back and correct the error about the position of side 3 though. also no CONTINUED / (cont.) stuff

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>>14942843
>Even worse that theres little to no variance in Feddies army

How's it like being blind and retarded?

>>14942888
Why are the best GMs orange?

>>14942888
Once the Ideon is mass produced, Zeon will be done for.

>>14942817
why was he so perfect?

>>14938825
There were three large families running side 3 with Daikun's house at the head. The House of Zabi (Most likely) offed Daikun and then led a smear campaign against the House of Ral to disgrace them, leaving the Zabi as the most powerful family who then reformed as a dictatorship.

This is just the origin version of it though.

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>>14942959

>he's so tall and handsome as hell
>builds mobile suits because everyone else is incompetent
>stresses function over form (prefers utility to beauty)
>the forms are actually stylish as hell and/or are incredibly menacing anyway because they're that good
>his command center literally siphons energy from Jupiter itself
>wears a headband because he's manly enough that even wearing it doesn't downgrade him
>literal bro to Yazan, who is a bro to him in return
>turns a 14 year old paink haired colony street rat into a top notch pilot, who he then bangs every night
>inverts the famous Titans colors for his personal, he still makes it look good

He was literally the only chance humanity had. If Scirocco had been in charge the generation Judau would have led out of the solar system would not have even left, they would have colonized all of the solar system and all of humanity would have had Turn X-tier mobile suits as grunts.

>>14942690
Why does he have a turtle on his chest? Who does he think he is, Jeb?

>>14941415
strawman, strawman, unmerited accusation, just straight up lies.

Get out of here Billy-san.

>>14941594
/pol/, /int/ and /sp/ have proven Leafs are worse than the Kangaroos in all aspects. 'Your' smalltime.

>>14943789
Leafs are Snow-Australians anyway.

>>14938825
The Principality of Zeon is a dictatorship. The Autonomous Republic of Munzo is, obviously, a republic, but it was too early to start the elections.
>a Parliamentary or direct representation system
That's a good question.
I suppose that they have a parliamentary system, but there are no proofs for it.
>Do they have a central manages economy?
Definitely no. The government has a share in Zeonic company, but there's a big load of private companies.

>>14943626
>not having a tattoo of a turtle on your chest

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>>14943626
He was studying to be a priest before joining the eff. Obviously he was a child of Om.

>>14942793
>AEUGfag
>prasing zeek suits
I know the jew in anaheim is behind you.

>>14943789
Alright, since you're so fond of calling out people's arguments. Lets hear your argument, what could Zeon have done to support the federation?

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>>14943091
What the fuck now I love the Titans

>>14942903
Everything will be done for.

>>14945110
heroes

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>>14943091
>Only chance humanity had

>Claims to just be an observer to history

Dude was as much an egotistical shitstain as Char. The only difference between them is that Char didn't know how to seduce women via psychic dick in their ears.

>>14943091
He was a great guy

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Make Zeon Great Again.

>>14945627
>Not Gihren.

If you're gonna pigeonhole trump memes, you can at least go for bigger fish.

>>14945646
Considering Don Jr. is probably an actual /pol/ack, he is more fitting to be Gihren.

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>>14936856
I wonder whether OP meant Zeon or Zeon Zum Daikun?

If the latter, then what he did wrong?

>>14946414
If we're talking Origin Deikun, he was planning on declaring war on the Earth Federation. Keep in mind that at that point Side 3 barely has an army and is still occupied by the Federation, all but guaranteeing that it'll be a one sided curbstomp. Honestly, him dropping dead at that podium was probably the best thing to happen to Side 3.

>>14939103
SO vasically all the zeeks are sjws of space

>>14939460
Zeeks are niggers of space
>WE WUZ SPACE NAZIS N SHIIEt
>WE DINDU NUFFIN
>Kill all feddies
>chimps out when ever Titans gas colonynthat is full of niggers(zeeks). but drop a colony, kill billion of earthnoids and spacenoids

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>>14946428

>>14942888
Oh boy, a whole bunch of shit that never shows up in any shows.

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>>14945627
>>14945646
Fucking OYWfags pigeonholing everything into Zeons or Feds.

>>14946467
So when will Trump's son-in-law get cucked and start wearing a mask?

>>14946456
Yet it never stopped Banrise from selling all those MSV plamo.

>>14944545
It's simple really, open relations and trade. Which you know the Feds didn't allow because they retaliated with the embargo and saber rattling of a massive military build up when all Side 3 had was a self defense force that didn't even have access to Federation's latest hardware.

>>14946467
Some random group that started up after the Federation was weakened and couldn't even keep control over a single colony.

At least F91 proved that being liberators doesn't work since people hate to be occupied and it's better to just wipe them out in the long run for a war effort.

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>>14946467
Fine fine.

Everyone knows Trump is really Azrael anyway.

>>14945646
>>14945664

>four kids
>three boys, one girl
>two boys and the girl are adults
>the youngest child is beloved by his papa

Honestly, Trump as Degwin could work.

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>>14945299

Is that you Katz?

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>>14942616
this is man is your friend

he fights for freedom

>>14942887
It at least works as hyperbole, i.e. 'Side 3 is really fucking far away and no once gives a shit about it'.

>>14946428
They really ruined Zeon Zum Deikun, isn't it?

>>14938929
>people believing this pile of shit
>2016
Look, I know /m/ is a bunch of ignorant man-children, but this is just sad.

>>14946456
Oh boy lets count all the zeek MS that didn't show up either!

>>14939155
So they didn't put their grasses on?

>>14946447
>/pol/ tries to redpill /m/ with Gundam """humor""": The Post

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>>14949521
After the first two posts its pretty much on point

>>14947497
Yeah, but Degwin is actually smart.

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>>14949534
How is successfully baiting the democrats and anti-trump republicans throughout the entire campaign not smart?

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>>14941466
Perhaps youre unfamiliar with Nietzsche? His sister married a proto-nazi so she altered his books after his death (he also went bonkers a decade beforehand, sortve similar to Zeons bad reaction to stress) to have a racial slant, then after WW2 the originals were recovered since there was no Nazi regime to supress the truth anymore
I assume the same happened with Zeon. Probably royally pissed off Char.
Personally I see Zeon as a tragic mix between Nietzsche and the ancient "Philosopher King" concept, like Marcus Aurelius. Who coincidentally also had an angry vengeful fuckup for a son.

>>14949571
Zeon is more of a Lenin than Marcus Aurelius - he died almost right after the establishment of his state, he thought about new perfect society, he left a couple of party groups which fought for power with tragic results (Trotsky-Ral and Stalin-Zabi)
And don't you compare extremist Char with a total pervert psycho Commodus. Char may have done questionable deeds, but he never went to cirquis to fight people, never ate shit and never fucked his sister.

>>14949602
Commodus sounds awesome

>>14949602
Lenin did not die immediately after the establishment of his state.

He lives quite long after that.

>And don't you compare extremist Char with a total pervert psycho Commodus. Char may have done questionable deeds, but he never went to cirquis to fight people, never ate shit and never fucked his sister.
Anti-Commodus propaganda.

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>>14949602
>never fucked his sister.
Hey even Tomino makes mistakes

>>14949608
That's why I said "almost"
>quite long
The final establishment of USSR and the end of Civil War is 1922. Yes, before that there was a Soviet Russia, but that's not quite the thing.
>anti-Commodus propaganda
But he definitely wasn't a wise ruler.

>>14949621
>The final establishment of USSR and the end of Civil War is 1922. Yes, before that there was a Soviet Russia, but that's not quite the thing.
I think we are playing word game here, because Soviet Russia was a thing since 1917. It was his state.
>But he definitely wasn't a wise ruler.
Agreed, but there were a lot of propagandas against him.

>Char
>Not a pervert
And he wasnt exactly a wise ruler either. His hatred for politicking was repeatedly stated throughout CCA, and then he decides to use violence to solve the issue instead of coercion and diplomacy like his reject "clone" a few years later

>>14949638
Char "ruled" for fucking weeks.

The man is not a politician.

The only thing shittier than tripfags are people responding to them, thus enabling their attention whoring.

If you HAVE to talk about them, don't respond to their post or mention their names.

>>14949638
This is reflected quite nicely in the Origin scene where beats the shit out of that Zabi spy even though it accomplishes nothing.

>>14949639
If you count his NZ's existence only for one year. In fact, such organisation takes years to rise up to NZ's level.
>>14949638
>he decides to use violence to solve the issue instead of coercion and diplomacy
That's the best way of achieving complete freedom.

>>14949641
Theres forced anon options on 4chanX I believe. Some people legitimately dont realize theyre responding to a trip

>>14949645
People just don't realize how shitty CCA is written, Neo Zeon almost comes close to victory because the EF decides to let Char win, until Londo Bell saves the day.

>>14949651
Dont EVEN start that meme ITT. I dont wanna type up another essay
Before we get into anything, CCA is only the third act of Hi Streamer, so its not a complete story

>>14949651
More like
>Neo Zeon almost comes close to victory because of the almost flawless plan, until Amuro's psychoframe becomes the psychic-pushing device

>>14949658
>flawless plan
>how's the psychoframe, Amuro
Really makes me think.

>>14949655
It's shit, senpai.

>>14949664
Nobody knew about the psychoframe's abilities, even Nanai - it's chief developer.

>>14949670
There's no fucking point giving top tech to your enemy.

>>14949664
Muh Japanese honorable even 1vs1 duel!
Remember we are talking about the Nation that was totally dumbfounded that all the Mongolians attacked together instead of sending out champions to duel

>>14949672
That's stupid, but this shit is very special. I mean, nobody exept for a couple of known newtypes would use it.

>>14949672
Char's retarded and wanted some kind of vaguely fair duel.

>>14949680
>>14949683
There's no fucking excuse for it.
>>14949676
Char is not japanese, he's just fucking retarded. Or Tomino writes him as retarded.

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>U.C. 0079
>Still having your soul weighed down by earth's gravity.

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>>14938735

>>14949695
Bro it doesn't matter, in ANY shonen for example you have such things happening regardless of setting or nationality of the characters
Japs will shove muh honor into anything

>>14949742
There are better muh honor characters like Gato or Ramba Ral.

Char "I have never betrayed anyone" Aznable is just bad writing.

>>14949770
>There are better muh honor characters like Gato
Imagine smug anime girl.

>>14949812
Elaborate?

Gato was loyal to the spacenoid cause and protected every comrades fighting with him.

>>14949770
Except that it wasn't 'muh honor' but rather ego, plain and simple. It isn't even out of character since Char has had an ego since 0079, remember 'I'll show what happens when the superior Mobile Suit meets the superior pilot!'

>>14949955
I read this and I can't believe Char is still stupid to believe he's the superior pilot after getting beaten up by Amuro so many times.

Good job, idiot, you give the superior pilot the superior MS.

>>14949617
But Lalah was like a mother to Char, so he got something right.

>>14942842
what's the specific model in the middle?

I'm a sucker for greebly looking Gundams that still look like gundams.

>>14950607
Master grade RX-78-2 v3.0

https://youtu.be/n-Az-Z_gA0c

>>14950709
thanks fampachi attack helicopter.

I think I say that in my local hobby store.

>>14949655
If the rest of Hi Streamer is as ugly as the mech designs, then thank fuck we didn't get any of that animated.

>>14951168
Thats some really terrible taste there buddy

>>14949928
>Gato was loyal to the spacenoid cause and protected every comrades fighting with him.
And that single sentence completely encompasses everything there is to know about him, which is why he fails as a primary antagonist.

>>14952879
>Arabian Coffee

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>>14949724

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>>14952950
By the way, do Unicorn novels say how did Garvey family got its wealth?

>>14953430
WAT?