Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 2nd Season

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>>14930323
This show is cute

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>>14930323
Subs out

Based McGillis giving the Graze Ritter the representation it deserves.

The Gusion fight was genuinely hype too.

Anyway IBO's plot only knows two speeds, space turtle or breakneck.

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WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED SUCH TRAGEDY.

Holy shit the writers need to kill themselves.

>>14930323
>it's a thinly-veiled "shirtless boys" thread

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Being real, I couldn't tell who was going to die. Takaki or Aston, or both. Overall, the episode looked a lot better than the rest of this season has. Writing? It's there I guess.

I still like this show a lot though for some reason.

Also, this THICC bitch

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>>14930419
like holy fuck dude

>>14930353
I didn't, IBO is awful at foreshadowing

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>>14930422
kill me

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>>14930424
>>14930422
>>14930419
I'm sure when they're not around Naze they're fucking each other.

>>14930428
>Like Naze doesn't like to watch.

>>14930419
figurise bust when?

They'd make alot of money making bust out of all the bust from each of the shows

>>14930434
it wont be good figures so fuck it

>>14930437
>it wont be good figures so fuck it
wear protection first I heard she uses the app blender

We hardly get gundam characters into good action figures, and the figurise bust are cheaper than statueshit

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I really hope Hash isn't some throwaway side character.

>>14930442
It's quite clear he'll become Mika's support with the Mobile Armor.

>>14930323
not a bad episode actually. kinda wish they made the McGillis fight a little longer. also surprised how he was almost taken out.

>>14930488
More like he's trying to disarm them rather than going for the kill.

>>14930494
he clearly tried to kill Takaki what you talking about.

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so could Aston and Takaki have defeated McGillis if takaki didn't go full retard?

If shitter takaki was able to disarm McGillis I'd think Aston could have done much much better.

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>>14930450

>Awesome, i get to be Saji Crossroad

Said nobody ever.

>>14930518
>so could Aston and Takaki have defeated McGillis if takaki didn't go full retard?
No, McGillis was intentionally trying to not kill them. If he wanted to he could have easily wiped them out.

>>14930518
>>14930494
They probably could've beaten him. They're not slouches as nearly all old Tekkadan members seem to be revered as Gods of the battlefield. But, Macky is an end game character so there'd be no way he'd actually lose.

>>14930512
Only as a defense reflex. he was avoiding full combat with them and trying to disarm them.

>>14930442
>>14930450
If what you say *might* be or come true, at this rate, Hush is a retread of Saji, down to the Mobile Armor support.

Are Rustal and Galan brothers? I just noticed that they look similar.

>>14930419
>Being real, I couldn't tell who was going to die. Takaki or Aston, or both.

Newtype ghosts narrating what happened next isn't a thing yet, hence it was obvious from the beginning who was going to die.

Secondly - human debris ain't going to get happy ending until Kudelia sugoi fixes everything.

>>14930528
They were bros for life.

>>14930525
has enough time to rip of an arm, catches a sword, say a one liner, sends sword down to smash the cockpit.

clearly he was aiming to kill dude. that was enough force to smash through the Man Rodi chest which is supposed to be heavily armored.

>>14930528
one is a gay cuck who gave up everything

Guys I'm starting to realize that being a child soldier might not be great

I wonder if Chocolate Man is going to try to recruit Mika. That scene near the end of the episode where he told Mika about the founder of Gjallhorn was suspicious.

>>14930541
He did the killing blow because he was forced to. Besides that, he just pilots a mediocre MS unlike his customized schwable graze back then in season 1. Furthermore he did not expect to go up against tekkadan either. He could've came up with a proper strat or better MS if he had known that he is going up against space rats

I wonder how Takaki will handle knowing he fucked up so bad and got Aston killed? I hope he doesn't hold a grudge against McGillis for his stupidity.

also kudos for killing the traitor takaki I thought you were going to pussy out.

>>14930330
verified not an Ali.

also,

Hush, little bitch
don't you cry
Mika's gonna give you
a new black eye.....


this episode was worth the wait.

>>14930560
>Graze Ritter
>Mediocre

Pick one

>>14930572
>McGillis in Graze Ritter
>Carta in Graze Ritter
Pick one

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>>14930589

my boner has chosen wisely!

>>14930589
>comparing a skilled pilot to a shitty one
>pick one

>>14930568
Yeah Hush got a full crash course in humility this episode. Looking forward to seeing where his character goes from this point.

>>14930601
he really needs a crash course in holding on to his goddamn weapons, or in fist-fighting.

>>14930606
He needs a crash course in fighting.

>>14930518

No. You saw how McGillis dumpstered Gaelio who was skilled enough to fight on par with Mika.

McGillis was obviously holding back against Aston and Takaki. If he didn't sortie in a gimped MS Aston might have even survived too

So it looks like we moved on from Mika being the heartless murderer to Takaki being his apprentice. I'll miss Galan, not Asston

>>14930613
>You saw how McGillis dumpstered Gaelio
yeah totally, after all Gali was in 100% mental/emotional form

>>14930615
>Mika being the heartless murderer to Takaki being his apprentice.
Hush is going to get jealous

1 minute in and i know one of these kids are gonna be dead by the end

>>14930623
Landman rodi survived due to its tankiness and for McGillis being able to aim for the rodi's joints in split second while grabbing rodi's axe is not an easy feat.

>>14930632
he did that against scrub takaki McGillis wouldn't have been able to pull that off with anyone half decent in combat.

Dumb Landman Frog posters

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>both chad and makanai are totally fine next episode
iirc the ep 33 spoilers said tekkadan was abandoning Earth Branch. why? the problem more or less ended in this episode with no real strings attached.

Well the bearded guy was a letdown. Here's hoping next week's evil adult can actually challenge Tekkadan

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>next episode is ANOTHER filler

god, fuck s2

>>14930637
So are you implying McGillis being able to read Aston and Takaki's movements which is enforced by AV system is due to their lack of experience in combat? Are you serious? Not all soldiers can read those movements

>>14930652
>why? the problem more or less ended in this episode with no real strings attached.
One dead Aston

>>14930659
>One dead Aston
They really should expect at least minor losses in a battle

>>14930658
he almost got killed by a hug, how good could he really be?

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>>14930655
>fuck s2
>Implying S1 wasn't just as filler ridden if not more so

>>14930665
he was the most skilled pilot in the earth branch. thats sorta a big loss. but lets totally forget the other 10 or some nameless guys that died too.

have to say the mars branch dudes took the deaths really well.

>>14930669
it wasn't as bad because the setting still felt fresh.

>>14930683
If ya say so bub.

>>14930665
One dead Aston, and a shitheap of trust issues thanks to how the chain of command was disrupted.

>>14930689
agree with me or I ban you.

>Guts going full Guts
Nice

>Hash manned up
Nice, I guess

>Mika outright gonna shoot that nigga
>Takaki did it
Very nice

>>14930615
> Mika being the heartless murderer

About that...we are now at episode 32 but, until now I have not seen any of Mika development, not even at foreshadow level. The only one is his destiny to become fused with Barbatos.
Setsuna, at this point of the story, had already begun to reflect about Marina speeches.

So, whatever they have in mind for Mika, I hope they can find a way to manage the whole cast without getting lost.

>>14930703
Do you feel Lafter is Otoutoing Guts harder than usual?

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>That look of nonchalance on Mika's face
This kid is more hardcore than Setsuna

>>14930710
Lafter and Azee are practically Tekkadan at this point. I won't be surprised if Lafter ditches Naze for the Guts dick

>>14930695
>shitheap of trust issues
gut, mika, etc literally go "alright takaki has this, bye" there is no trust issues. they dealt with the problem.

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>>14930718
he's cool when his eyes are a little 'closer.

>>14930718
You know Radice was still a Teiwaz overseer, I wonder if this could cause some problems for them down the line, especially with the guys that dislike them in that group, but really doubt it considering the turbine girls didn’t care

>>14930769
I doubt it'd come to bite tekkadan. they have evidence of betrayal and tons of damage on their side. pretty sure teiwaz would approve killing a traitor.

after all the teiwaz dude could have just asked for a job change/relocation pretty sure they do that in the future.

>>14930779

The Teiwaz guy is also a traitors towards Teiwaz itself. Remember that Tekkadan is an associate company to Teiwaz. Any damage to Tekkadan is damage to Teiwaz' operations at large.

>>14930798
Don't forget it was an adult too.

Kinda pushes the "don't trust adults" narrative.

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>>14930652

They've probably been intentionally kept suspended in coma.

>>14930705

Fucking Hush is a more developed character than Mika at this point. And Guts is just miles ahead.

Mika is unironically less of a character than Yazan. It's a pretty sad state for a MC. Does he actually pass the test in picture related?

>>14930808
>red letter media shit

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>>14930442
Hes going to get even more salty even more crazy eyes until he gets Mecha Galis Rather Unique System to defeat Mikazuki to prove a point to himself.

>>14930808
Ugh, you're taking the place that bashed the prequels and KotCS seriously

>>14930551
Mika doesnt seem to trust Chocoman, refusing to work for Chocoman might be the only decision he makes for himself.

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I wonder if takaki is a decent pilot? he went full retard in this fight so its hard to tell with this one. but he has AV and was allowed to use the rodi so he has to be semi-decent to let him do that.

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>>14930813
>>14930810

It's a decent test regardless of its source.

next episode looks like the fifth episode of the season loaded with pointless filler
>>14930817
not at all

>>14930813
>the prequels were good

What are you smoking, man?
I hate contrarian neo-/m/.

>>14930815
It was implied in the episode that he was kinda forced to protect McGillis from dying as ordered by Orga.

Guys, in terms of piloting skills, who is the better one?
>Char
Or
>McGillis

>>14930428
>I'm sure when they're not around Naze they're fucking Akihiro
ftfy

>>14930823
And sure that will continue aslong as Choco tries to get his hooks into Mikazuki himself.

>>14930719
>there is no trust issues
Trust issues with people commanding them who aren't Orga or one of the lieutenants like Norba or Akihiro

>>14930822
They always were

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>>14930828
Poor guy been molested by hot girls

>>14930825
We wont be able to make that call until we can compare him using the Alaya Vijina System to the Psychoframe of UC.

someone please go make /fit/ a >he lifts for women image where akihiko tells them to stop bugging him

>>14930822
the prequels are awesome, what are YOU smoking?
>>14930835
he wasn't

>>14930835
Akihiro's literally /fit. the character
>too autistic to notice the girls harrasing him
>just wants to make gains

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>>14930330
>>14930568

Rustal is the Ali though.

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>>14930697

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>>14930808
>Does he actually pass the test in picture related
Very socially reserved but speaks extremely bluntly when he does, is very determined in whatever he does, be it fighting or learning how to write/read, has zero qualms with killing if it's the quickest solution, and is utterly loyal to his lifelong friend/partner Orga Itsuka, with whom he has a rather twisted dynamic - who is the "dominant" force in the relationship? Is it Orga who leads and makes the decisions and Mika who obeys? Or is it Orga who makes the decisions he thinks Mika wants, because he feels pressured to do so by Mika, prompted by his recurring "What should I/we do now/next?" questions?

>>14930851

See, this is better.

Though, I still criticize the character because Mika hasn't moved forwards while everyone else in the show has.

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>>14930845
Time will tell with Rustal, but yeah it seems Galan was a good guy that ended up in a terrible mess that destroy him as a human, Ali was an unredeemable asshole.

Funny how Radice ended up as more of a weasel than Galan

>>14930831
why wouldn't they? orga and crew are their leaders of course they'll be skeptical of outside of tekkadan leaders from here on out.

>>14930859
>guts line in response
I'll admit that scene was pretty good.

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>>14930854
This is what bother me of him, I remember an interview were in S1 where they said Mika and Atra were static characters, but I sure hoped it was just for the first season

>>14930854
Mika's development isn't in the forefront but it's still there. He has started working towards a life after Tekkadan with his farming studies in his spare time and his allowing Hush to become a pilot will most likely factor into him having to be responsible for him later.

>>14930808
>>14930851

This picture isn't asking for anything that any character doesn't have.

Mika's problem isn't that he has no character, it's that his character hasn't changed,developed or moved forward.

I guess that's a good thing to some people to have a constant, but it doesn't make for a very entertaining protagonist in my opinion.

His actions don't really end up having any repercussions and he kinda just acts as a force of nature at this point, and while that's also apart of his character it gets pretty boring.

>>14930854
>because Mika hasn't moved forwards

I don't think it's necessary for him, personally. His character wasn't set up that way. It may happen later in the series, but right now he has his role, he is a constant. Maybe he'll get an element that "humanises him", like what kind of happened to Setsuna in a relatively minor degree around 00S2, when he finally gained some nuance to his personality. But Setsuna as a flat character worked, for some at least, in 00 the same way Mika is working for me in IBO.

>>14930872
nice lies there, who sent you: ANN, MAHQ hivemind, or Anime Suki?

>>14930859
>>14930866
Probably the only scene in the episode that has come out as unexpected and got me positively impressed was this scene.

Not that the episode is not good; it is a good episode with some cool bits in the fighting scenes. It is just that Galan "SAYONARA!!" scene striked me the most.

>>14930876
>it doesn't make for a very entertaining protagonist

It's a show with a main cast, not a main character. So his lack of changing is made up with the other characters changing - Takaki, Akihiro, Norba, Hush, Orga, Eugene etc. You might be of the opinion that this isn't being done well, but that's your opinion.
He does gets a lot of screentime because he pilots the Barbatos and is the main fighting power in Tekkadan, but S2 so far have focused on the other characters.
It's still going to go on for 4 more months, I'd wager they have the Mika development clumsily packed in for the latter half of the show.

>>14930872
>>14930878
>>14930876

First off, Setsuna wasn't a flat character. He was an emotionally damaged youth.

Anyway, the problem with Mika can best be expressed by this tip for writers by Kurt Vonnegut:
"Be a sadist. No matter how sweet and innocent your leading characters, make awful things happen to them—in order that the reader may see what they are made of."

Bad things doesn't fucking happen to Mika. Mika is never actually pressured. Because of this we never get to see what Mika is made out off and Mika's character never progresses forwards as a result of him having to squeeze his square ass through a round hole.

>>14930893
>So his lack of changing is made up with the other characters changing
Oh I totally agree with this, but I still feel like Mika should've had more to him.

The way this show has been going so far actually reminds me of Infinite Ryvius in that sense, instead of focusing completely on the main character's development it focuses on the gorup

>>14930893
>It's a show with a main cast, not a main character.
But the cast is not very good either, they have very little going on and when they do get moments it mostly is "I can't do the thing, I DID THE THING" and then go back to being background noise at best

Kudelia is probably the best example of this, she spent 90% of season 1 doing the same thing and then just went no I am brave and has become a bag of bland

>>14930910
Ensemble casting, yes.

Usually in that format you can expect rotation of character focus, which would suggest Mika getting the final arc of the show focused on him and maybe a few others (most likely McGillis), sorta like how Ryvius slowrolled Kouji's time to shine until the show's endgame.

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I wonder what the writers are going to do with Takaki? it'd be weird if they just kept him on earth and everything moves to Mars not looking back. seem like they would just waste 3 episodes on the guy to drop him.

so far he has had the most character attention in s2. he has had more "development" than all the main cast like guts, Eugene, orga, mika etc. easily in s2 maybe more than others in with s1 as well/

>>14930925
Kudelia had the problem of not working all that well as the audience surrogate.

Contrast with Hush, who has yet to overstay his welcome as the surrogate.

>>14930903
yeah, animesuki shitposter, we already know that Mika is not your self-insert character (shoujou bishounen/everybody's friend) or your waifushit with big breasts.

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>>14930928
According to the episodes summaries it seems Tekkdan is falling back to mars so I guess this is the end of the earth branch

>>14930934
>who has yet to overstay
Because we are only a few episodes in, but even if the development keeps on track he is not very interesting or likeable. People in this thread are already shitting on him

If you are going for an ensemble cast you need better than would be acceptable but forgettable in a normal show

>>14930928
Akihiro and Eugene have had a good amount of development though.

Although the later's is taking a bit longer it's still happening

>>14930942
Wonder why they're leaving? they didn't really get hit politically nor did they lose all personnel.

just not worth the cost?

>>14930893
Translation: Bad writing

>>14930953
>Akihiro
Screaming about your brother but the going oh yeah family is not good development.

>Eugene
He hasn't developed at all. He is cocky and sometimes questions people but then does it anyway

>>14930953
takaki has had much more development in s2 that either eugene and guts. but counting s1 eugene has it over takaki but I think guts and takaki are sorta tied with "development"

as of now guts is just more entertaining than takaki.

>>14930943

I like him. He's a jackass, but if being a jackass was a problem in a gundam series, Zeta wouldn't be the most acclaimed story in the franchise.

I like him for his grit, emotion and wants. It makes him relateable.

>>14930959
if by entertaining you mean pure evil

>>14930957
>He hasn't developed at all.
it's been subtle and not really a forefront, but he went from always criticizing Organ and not being sure if he can lead in his position, to being in control of the flagship,following Orga and taking a leadership position among the crew.

>>14930939

I'm sorry I'm not keeping to your standards of how thread discussions should be. I'd like to make this thread a safer place for you, but I'm not sure how I should best echo sentiments that might more fit into your preferences.

>>14930966
So not really development

>>14930966

He's also much more mature. In the start of season one he would constantly lose his cool.

>>14930966
>being in control of the flagship
This has been something from the start of the show, he has always been one of the higher up boys

>following Orga
Not new either, he usually goes Orga you crazy and then does it anyway. At best he does it a bit less cause they do less with him

It seems to be development in IBO means you start having less to you and fall into the background more

>>14930655
>fool me twice
Shame on you.

>SNT1 joins Lightning Count in breaking the Mecha Talk hivemind
I know I'm late to this, but holy shit!

>>14930977
who?

>>14930879
The dood isnt looking for thats, he just wants to work so everyone can be happy.

the dood is single handedly terraforming mars.

>>14930982
mecha talkies are starting to divide up over this garbage

>>14930876
>Mika's problem isn't that he has no character, it's that his character hasn't changed,developed or moved forward.
No, his problem is that he is pure evil and a protagonist at the same time.

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>>14930996

You can make perfectly fine, relateable and even evil protagonists. I don't think it's actually a problem that Tekkadan tends to solve their problems like 30:ies mobsters.

>>14930997
not against Slaine, he was decent

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>>14931001
>he was decent

>>14930998
>I don't think it's actually a problem that Tekkadan tends to solve their problems like 30:ies mobsters.
I think the problem is the show tries to show these things as morally grey, but then goes on about muh poor orphans so sad but then everything goes pretty well with mostly minor losses

It just makes you really question what they are trying to go for, IBO has a lot of pieces but they don't fit together very well

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>beeing so butthurt about people not liking what you like that you create a "other website" boogeyman and then start replying to make it look like the boogeyman exists

Dude, not everyone is going to agree with you.

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>survives another round of heavy death flags
thats my boy.

too bad his deathflags reflected off him and into aston. that really didn't need to happen. all they had to do was talk to McGillis

>>14931008
They kinda spell out for you that as ruthlessly effective as the core of Tekkadan is, it's unquestionably fucked up for a bunch of kids to be fighting like they're grizzled vets, and this is something that you should not try and imitate.

The thug life looks cool and all until you learn what it means to truly be gangsta.

>>14931001
>Slaine's plot
95% - Drama, birds and flowers
5% - mech action

>>14930997
Indifferent with Alto.
I liked Slaine with his suffering, but he turn out unlikable for many others.

>>14930997
>Sheryl
She was a good character.
>Freya
Vapid moe waifubait.
>Alto
Alto does nothing but pilot a mecha and have hungry vagoos run circles around him.
>Slaine
Good concept, poor execution.

>>14930954

A member of theirs conspired to start the conflict. The ADF they trained was pretty much roundly trounced.

Arbrau probably shitcanned their contract. I know I would.

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>>14930997
>idols
>bishonen
delete this

>>14931029
>slaine
>good concept

>>14931019
>and this is something that you should not try and imitate.
It fails at that though, because it bounces characters back to happy and doesn't show much negative impact outside a very small amount of characters usually who we have no connection to dying

Their lives have gotten considerably better in fact

>>14931008

I'd say the biggest schism there is how the show both portrays Tekkadan as heroic while also portraying them as a bunch of merciless criminals. It's actually a good take on the concept of heroism, but the show fails at keeping it together, which creates this ill-fitting feeling you describe.

I think the writers are consciously aiming for it though, because the same thing keeps popping up
>Tekkadan are the princess' heroic knights...who allies with mobsters and summarily executes defenseless enemies.
>Mika is worshipped as the great savior...and he enjoys the thrill of killing people
>Tekkadan is the heroes of the colonies because they smashed a corrupt regime...that had been keeping the peace for 300 years
>Kudelia is the maiden of hope...because she ended up accidentally encouraging people into a violent uprising

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Come on, Aston. When they said "Raise your flag", they weren't talking about death flags.

>>14931039
Rewatch the last few episodes and tell me what's there to be happy about.

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>>14931043
>aston takes the death blow to save his friend
>Mika just kicks the scrub out of the way and tells to stop getting in the way

>>14931042
Well to be fair it's all in perspective. One's heroes are another's insurrectionists.

>>14931044
Rewatch the last season and see how they bounce back and always improve their lives. As stated there are minor losses, but they have lost a miniscule amount of named characters

>>14931044

At the start of s1 they were literally canonfodder.

Now they own fields, a mine, the respect of their peers and they are the most powerful army on Mars excluding Gjallarnhorn. All of their members are paid well and can afford good housing and schooling for their nearest and dearest.

Clearly being a child soldier pays off.

>>14931050
S1 is generally considered weak due to some directorial mandate to make Tekkadan look good last I checked.

S2 actually bothers to acknowledge the other side of the story.

>>14931049
That may sound nice but it doesn't really lead to much so just makes the show feel inconsistent in message and tone.

>>14931048
Mika's skilled enough that no one (on his side) has to die.
Aston's only choices are eat shit or let Takaki eat shit.

>>14931055
>bothers to acknowledge the other side
So did season 1, and it still has done fuck all with it despite having 25 episodes of build up.

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find a better case of QUALITY in this franchise outside of 0079, I dare you; IBO confirmed for worst production values

>>14931058

>mfw Hush is about to die and Mika just shows him aside and then casually sidesteps the attack

If Aston had stepped up his game, he'd still be alive now

>>14931060

Its a shame too, I like the mechanical design of IBO a lot and wish they had some more budget to show it off.

>>14931059
>so did S1
>except it didn't

Do you proofread your statements or do you just go for the NO U as fast as possible?

>>14931058
or just I don't know tackle both of them? the scene looks fucking weird how it worked out

>>14931060
That's actually not that bad. The Rodis are pretty short and fat, and with the perspective on it, it looks fine to me. The Graze's head is a little stretched and the waist looks a little thinner than it's supposed to, but it's not off by a huge amount.

Besides, action scenes always pay less attention to the individual frames, as long as they flow well, because they need more of them. It doesn't have to look good standing still.

>fuck off, they're engaged in a war.

Then, how did they should behave in wartime?
1) as a shoujo or CGDCT character.
2) as a soldier

>>14931070
>Do you proofread your statements or do you just go for the NO U as fast as possible?
That seems to be what you did, acknowledge =/= action.

Both seasons acknowledge they are doing criminal stuff or child soldiers is a bad thing, neither has gone anywhere with that idea. They just go yeah that is bad and then having them continue which leads to them ending up in a better place than before (outside the very small amount who died despite being underdogs apparently)

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>>14931034
>>slaine
>>good concept
banana 2.0

>>14931079
1

>>14931079
1

>>14931079
definitely 1

>>14930996
I think the problem is that the show doesn't want to focus on how fucked up Mika, no, how fucked up Tekkadan really are. Instead, the show spends it's time trying to make them likable so that those moments come across as more shocking. I was on r/Gundam after Mika killed Carta and I can tell you the reaction some folks had to that was telling. After all the talk people had about how Mika was growing and rediscovering emotions he didn't know about, people were downright upset by that scene because it went against how they viewed the character (people then pointed out that this was perfectly in-line with the Mika we've been shown).

It wants to create this contrast rather than letting the actions speak for themselves. To go from light to dark then back to light again like nothing happened. It kinda highlights how fucked up they are in those dark moments, but I still find the execution lacking.

>>14930987
Care to elaborate on what he said?

>>14931110
>I was on r/Gundam
so, umm..... why don't you........stay there? O.o

>>14931083
If they didn't end up better off, they'd have to have been failing as a business.

Just because their business is successful doesn't make it somehow in the right.

>>14931113

>O.o

What, are you missing him?

>>14931110
I think that is partly why people like the show, there is so little going on they can pretty much make up their own explanations for stuff and characters. Like if you want to pretend Guts has grown a lot you can, cause he does fuck all anyway it will seem valid.

The problem comes when like you said a big contradiction happens, which is why you notice many turn on shit shows towards the end as their image of the show falls apart

>>14931060
Watching kids crash plastic toys into each other would be more entertaining than whatever Cloverfield is trying to pull with IBO.

>>14931117

Everyone is healthier, wealthier and happier in S2 than in S1. From the perspective of the orphans, they are doing the right thing. From the perspective of Orga, he is doing the right thing. From the perspective of those hiring Tekkadan, they are doing the right thing.

Being a child soldier is a good thing and will make you feel better and have minimal negative consequences to your physical and mental welfare compared to being a mars hobo or a colony laborer.

>>14931113
Asshole with 7 accounts tried to shut up anyone who didn't praise the show and make the place an IBO circlejerk.

>>14931117
>If they didn't end up better off, they'd have to have been failing as a business.
Yep, that would be a good way to show that war doesn't pay and how they struggle to get by in what they are doing

>>14931029
>>Sheryl
>She was a good character.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>14931060
>>14931060

there's literally nothing wrong with this. try cherrypicking a better screen nexttime

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>>14930903
>Bad things doesn't fucking happen to Mika. Mika is never actually pressured. Because of this we never get to see what Mika is made out off and Mika's character never progresses forwards as a result of him having to squeeze his square ass through a round hole.

Biscuit got killed and he fucking destroyed Carta for it
Then he lost his arm and eye to Ein

>>14931130
No but then you have the problem of not having much of a show to begin with. The orphans go bankrupt, Gjallarhorn storms in and wrecks Kudelia, campaign over you got the bad end.

>>14931145
Biscuit got killed and he fucking destroyed Carta for it

So? He would have destroyed Carta anyway. Biscuit's death was a sadistic move towards Orga. And as a result Orga hesitated, and then he changed a bit. Mika was unfazed by the ordeal though, and the Mika before and after Biscuits death is the same Mika.

>Then he lost his arm and eye to Ein
And oh no, he lost his eye and arm so now...he can completely ignore that fact except his chuuni factor was raised a bit? He's literally the same guy as before. Him losing an eye and and arm is literally irrelevant for his character and they might as well have left it out.

>>14931147
>No but then you have the problem of not having much of a show to begin with.
Yes you easily could have them struggling by, instead of having them do well you have them scrape by with negative consequences but it be their only option

Have them low on supply and barely making it through situations which adds tension. Have the take loans out with the mafia that just puts them in more and more debt so instead of being a happy family mafia it is actually on their ass. Have them not able to repair ms properly so they use that part swapping gimmick.

There are lots of ways you can take that and it is much more interesting than the orphans keep getting through everything pretty damn well

>>14930652
Implying they lost one space rat per battle. They would end up being under manned on earth. With the head of the earth branch in shambles, the mistrust and deception that took place. It would be an obvious choice to close down the earth branch. It doesn't sound financially viable.

>>14930705
happy murderhobo mika is what i want to see

>>14931076
>That's actually not that bad.
Go back to ANN

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so what they going to do with takaki? he fucked up pretty bad on this operation.

>>14931229
Nothing, IBO proved it is boring

What has Mika been eating for the last 32 episodes anyway? I can't work out if they're dates, olives or prunes.

>>14931235
no idea, but he tried poisoning Orga with them

>>14931235
They mention it real early on in s1, but I don't remember what it was off the top of my head either.

I want to say figs but it could be prunes.

>>14931229
Takaki will try to find a tact way of saying to his sister that they're currently scraping Aston's remains with a spatula.

>>14931079
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>>14931292

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>>14931235
Mars Dates.

>>14931275
pretty obvious takaki sis knows what happened to aston. more curious on what takaki will do. he fucked up as a pilot, commander, and killed his friend with his stupidity.

he has a lot of room to redeem himself but will tekkadan/writers of IBO give him that chance? he killed the teiwaz guy so he redeemed himself there at least.

>>14931083

Where do you want them to go with the idea of child soldiers exactly? Tekkadan is the exception, not the norm.They have already explored the ideas of child soldiers multiple times, but most prominently Akihiro's mini-arc in S1. Orga wants them to stop fighting like this but lacks the capital he needs to run legit businesses.

In the first episode the death toll on CGS was ~100 kids. In terms of military power Tekkadan and McGillis by extension are the underdogs, they are just fortunate to have gotten some powerful mobile suits and allies along the way.

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>>14931296
>laughing Mika
>smug mika
>double smug mika
>angry mika
>shouting Mika
where are these faces in the series?

>>14931304
>Where do you want them to go with the idea of child soldiers exactly?
I just explained, actually explore the ideas and show their struggle to get by which creates interesting drama and actual development. IBO at best is superficial with these aspects

> Tekkadan is the exception, not the norm.
And they are what we focus on

>They have already explored the ideas of child soldiers multiple times, but most prominently Akihiro's mini-arc
That counts as explored to you? About 3 scenes of adults being mean to kids and then they make them fight? No, that is not explored you just have incredibly low standards. At best it is showing hey life for a child soldier can be shit, but just not the ones we are spending 99% of the show on cause reasons

> Orga wants them to stop fighting like this but lacks the capital he needs to run legit businesses.
And they don't explore this, plus that is stupid cause they have a mine now and enough to have to different fractions so they clearly have a lot

>In the first episode the death toll on CGS was ~100 kids.
No it didn't, and we barely saw anyone die. Plus things have only improved for them after that

>the underdogs, they are just fortunate to have gotten some powerful mobile suits and allies along the way.
Oh they are the underdogs that just happen to always do pretty fucking well and destroy their enemy. Such underdogs

>>14931307

>He doesn't know about that those faces are "things that animator should NOT draw"

The Moonrunes on the top right corner roughly translates to "Do not use those expressions for Mikazuki"

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He gave up his life for his bro, if the show didn’t feel the need to portrait its villains as such assholes he would have been more memorable, in the end he was also a broken man fighting for what he thought was right

>>14931325
the villains are more noble than the heroes

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>>14931292
> preorder bonus
poor girl....

>>14931323
Yeah I don't moonrune but man at least one smug expression from mika would be nice.

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>>14931060
>Implying there was anything wrong with that shot, specially in motion
I know you're incapable of getting it, but I'm going to have to point out for the 52nd time that judging animation based on stills is retarded. Any show will look shit if you do that (see picture).

>>14931110

>I was on r/Gundam after Mika killed Carta and I can tell you the reaction some folks had to that was telling.

I still can't comprehend why people see Mika mopping up some mooks wanting a duel was so fucked up and evil.

It's like people forget there are probably a dozen more fucked up events in Gundam like Hathaway killing Chan in the second half of CCA.

>>14931326
>Setting up wars between other countries just to ruin the reputation of someone within your own organization
>Noble

>>14931326
>the villains are more noble than the heroes

Not in this case. He was a "decent Ali al-Saachez", with an honorable sense for battle, but still a manipulative jerk who liked to see Aston and Takaki trudge in their ignorance.

For now only Carta and Gali were more honorable than the heroes, but the first was an idiot, the second ... terribly unlucky.

>>14931337
>I still can't comprehend why people see Mika mopping up some mooks wanting a duel was so fucked up and evil.
Well one was like the people he just mentioned, they wanted him to develop and at least so guilt or something but instead he was same old Mika

Others just dislike Mika, he is not exactly a great or interesting guy. Meanwhile Carta is a shitty character but at least somewhat human so at that point people were willing to route for anyone.

But then you just have the simple thing of how actions look. Maybe those guys have done bad things, maybe not we don't know but they wanted to play fair and people see that as good even if from a bad guy. Mika didn't play fair, that simply doesn't make him look good. In most story telling you would flip that around to make attacking the enemy feel more justified. It is like in BF Tryhards where they attacked Tryon transforming, that is what the bad guys do so makes them look bad.

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Are we going to get a flashback to the first ever Gundam produced in the timeline of this series?

>inb4 it's just a really anorexic RX-78-2 expy

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>>14931351
>the second ... terribly unlucky.
its the misfortune of his birth

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>>14931321

>No it didn't, and we barely saw anyone die. Plus things have only improved for them after that

Screenshot. In episode 2 the old guy tells Mika how many kids working for CGS died in the first episode. Tekkadan is better off now, yes, but that doesn't mean they are not up against overwhelming odds. The last couple episodes of season 1 clearly showed that their success came at some considerable sacrifice.

>That counts as explored to you? About 3 scenes of adults being mean to kids and then they make them fight? No, that is not explored you just have incredibly low standards. At best it is showing hey life for a child soldier can be shit, but just not the ones we are spending 99% of the show on cause reasons

I do have low expectations. I have REALISTIC expectations. From 0079 to now, Gundam has never been hailed as having exceptional writing and storytelling. IBO is not that disappointing, because the Gundam series that preceded it were AGE, Unicorn, Try S1 and S2 and G-Reco, all of which were just as, if not equally badly written.

>>14930815
Mika does not trust him but I could see Chocolate Man creating a situation where Mika will be forced to turn on Orga.

>>14931362
Both Gaelio and Carta got hit by MISFORTUNE real hard.

>McGillis still carrying chocolate on him
Glorious.

>>14931363
>tells
Ah exposition, the best way to make your viewer not really feel the effect of what is meant to be a huge event. Instead of seeing anyone suffer and go through it with them just go oh yeah so many died in one line of dialogue. Much better than say, having the serious show real struggle through the course of the whole show

>but that doesn't mean they are not up against overwhelming odds
Which they beat every time, many times comfortably meaning they do not feel overwhelming

>The last couple episodes of season 1 clearly showed that their success came at some considerable sacrifice.
Characters magically being okay despite the episode before making them look dead? No not really

> From 0079 to now, Gundam has never been hailed as having exceptional writing and storytelling
>Gundam was always bad guys!
Lets say that is true, no reason to have low standards

>>14931363
Unicorn's writing being bad is largely a meme drummed up by shitposters.

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>>14931369
Its ok Vidar will fix everything

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>>14931359
I actually wouldn't mind it to be more or less an RX-78-2, with all of the weird ornate shit of the other Gundams coming into play as they were developed. It's not like they can't make the more boxy "utilitarian" mobile suits in IBO.

>>14931359
Gundam Frame Bael
>First King of Hell, has three heads: a toad, a man, and a cat. teaches invisibility.

Cloaking Gundam.

>>14931042
In any other series Tekkedan would be the villains.However, their world is so messed up that they are heroes.

IBO is an interesting study in how the setting of a story plays a role in shaping characters.

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>>14931060
This calls for more drastic music choices.

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>>14931372
how does it not melt in his pockets?

>>14931392
>their world is so messed
Because THEY WERE THE ONES TO FUCK IT UP, did you not see ep 26? Besides, Gjallahorn still hasn't done anything villainous at this point.

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>>14931396
He is a magician.

>>14931396
pedophile secret.

>>14931392
>IBO is an interesting study in how the setting of a story plays a role in shaping characters.
More like it's a giant insult to the entire franchise and Americans (and I'll lump Canadians in here too) are too blind to see painfully obvious problems.

>>14931373

>Gundam was always bad guys!

I never said Gundam was bad. I said it just didn't have EXCEPTIONAL writing and storytelling, and it hasn't in the past, does not, and likely never will. What IBO and other recent Gundam series offer is mediocrity, they set the bar low in the past for this franchise so that is the level of expectation that I will have.

>Ah exposition, the best way to make your viewer not really feel the effect of what is meant to be a huge event. Instead of seeing anyone suffer and go through it with them just go oh yeah so many died in one line of dialogue. Much better than say, having the serious show real struggle through the course of the whole show

You originally called me out on stating something that was false. Now that it turns out i have evidence to prove that it was factual you shift the goalposts. It's just a waste of time discussing anything with you since you always want to have the last say. I'm done.

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>>14931396
He is a cold man with no friends

>>14931406
kek

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Why didn't chocoman stab Galio as thoroughly as this?

>>14931411
cause he's gotten better at stabbing cockpits since gali?

>>14931397
Gjallhorn messed up Mars by oppressing it in the past.

Gjallahorn or at least Rustal's faction started a war to screw over McGillis,McGillis is Gjallahorn and we know he's shady.Carta was an ass.Ein was an ass and a nutjob.Everyone affiliated with Gjallahorn are varying degrees of asshole(Tekkedan is not much better).

>>14931396
Gjallarhorn Selects - the first interplanetary chocolate to melt in your mouth, not in your hand.

>>14931393
topest of keks

Why the fuck are people posting literal image macros with fucking white impact bold text.

What the fuck is happening?

>>14931426
wrong thread

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I miss Destiny and Age

>>14931060
Once I recognize what the names of these suits are I'm dumping this pic in the booru, Sunrise should be a lot better in their animation department than this. The hell were the animators thinking?

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so now that we're finally done with the earth arc are we going to go back to mars? I want to see the pink gundam and Vidar in action already

>>14931392
>heroes
They're crime lords at this point!

>>14931411
he even intentionally spared that guy as well. He needs to learn to stab more when he is trying to kill and to stab less when he isn't

>>14931437
I miss Destiny shameless stupidity and AGE animation.

>>14931452
They are crime lords but they usually wind up playing the role of the hero because of Gjallhorn's screw ups.

>>14931466
they murder people and Gjallhorn has not done anything malicious at this point

>>14931442
Land Man Rodi and Graze Ritter Custom

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>>14930323

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was anyone else underwhelmed with his death

>>14931481
What do you mean?
Did you not cry when a character we barely even knew suddenly get a sob story then die?

>>14931481
Did anyone even cry when Fumitan died?

>>14931477
thank you and uploaded

>>14931486
just how quick it happened. barely 6 minutes in the episode, one cut and dead

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>>14931481
he was a scumy rat

Quick question, how would y'all feel if IBO just took a dumb twist and ended up secretly being apart of a different gundam universe? Like if new week, they start talking about Zeon, or find Burning Gundam in someones toolshed.

>>14931481
no he was just another ibo death
>hey let's give them a little bit of a development and "surprise" people by killing them off! They will never see it coming!

>>14931501
that would be interesting which is something Iron Menstruation lacks
>>14931503
aside from weebs who would even see that coming?

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Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an an enraged Dog Of War.

Best episode yet. The second half was one long FUCK YEAH moment. As soon as it was over I had to skip back to the mid-point just to watch Akihiro's Wrath again. I love how Beardo kept going into anime villain speeches only to get smacked mid-sentence over and over. I haven't seen such a raw display of "I WILL NOT ALLOW THIS" since Gohan first went SSJ2.

>>14931503
I wasn't surprised at his death I was surprised just how quickly it happened.

>>14931506
>The second half was one long FUCK YEAH moment.
You mean poorly paced, boring, and overflowing with negativity

>>14931506
Galan was a tragic hero facing against plot armored villains.

>>14931372
>> the reason he carries chocolate and gives it to kids is because he never got chocolate as a kid

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>>14931517
>galan
>hero

>>14931522
who the hell at Sunrise greenlit something that stupid?
>>14931523
compared to literally everyone else he is

>>14931517

Like Coral, Green Snaketongue and Carta, yes?

>>14931527
Exactly

>>14931501
>a different gundam universe?
Guess you didn't watch Turn A.

Unless you mean GBF or SD, which would be pretty stupid.

Gali Gali imouto still virgin or chocoman pounded her everdays?

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>>14931506
>The second half was one long FUCK YEAH moment

>>14931510
>overflowing with negativity

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>14931546
honestly who even cares?

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when this coming back?

>>14931554
>animators want to go home

>>14931392
What... the... fuck? They are just mercenaries. Neither good, nor bad.

>>14931206
>he doesn't agree with me
>HE MUST RETURN TO THE OTHER VILLAINOUS WEBSITE THAT HE NEVER ACTUALLY CAME FROM!
Enjoy your delusions, brah.

>>14931546
That reveal is left for another day.

>>14931510
No, I mean a manipulative asshole getting the shit stomped out of him by an impenetrable wall of "FUCK YOU".

That bit with Takaki at the end was pretty sad because he's such a nice kid, but that dude totally deserved it. Everyone who died in the month-long struggle that Radice and Beardo engineered was his fault, and for no other reason than Rustal trying to make Macky look bad. Radice betrayed them and caused dozens of deaths for his own personal benefit, he deserved a few shots to the face.

But Takaki probably shot around him and told him to run away and never come back. He's a nice kid, too nice for the kind of war that Rustal and MacGillis are waging.

>>14930928
nothing, his arc has ended

>>14931566
>No, I mean a manipulative asshole getting the shit stomped out of him by an impenetrable wall of "FUCK YOU".
Galan was cool, Akihiro is stale and bland and needs a nuke to the face.

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>>14931559
>your job defines if you're a good or evil person deep down

>>14931392
More like it's a failure in basic storytelling.
Tekkadan are heroes only because the show tells you they are.

>>14931567
you think they'd spend all this time on this character make him go through all this arc and throw him under the bus by making him a background character?

I doubt he'll get as much screen time attention as he did in his arc but I doubt he'll just float on back to nothing.

>>14931571
Chris-chan and Sonichu are better heroes than the space rats

>>14931573
Characters in IBO are much better at saying how they feel than expressing it.

>>14931562
>ANN
>evil
They have a lot of snobby reviewers and their moderation is questionable, but evil? Hardly.

>>14931571
I seem to remember that many of them did not choose to become soldiers.

>>14931575
>you think they'd spend all this time on this character make him go through all this arc and throw him under the bus by making him a background character?
That's what the show has done constantly, they'll get a little arc and sad backstory then go back to doing fuck all. Even kudelia who was basically the main character started to do fuck all after her Dort moment, she sat around with the old guy and exposited a bit and now she has fucked off for the most part

People come up with these grand ideas IBO will do with characters and ideas and it never goes anywhere

>>14931576
Is he still believing that his infection is a growing vagoo?

>>14931580
So now being mercenaries has nothing to do with them being good or evil?

>>14931581
kudelia was a major character in s1. that doesn't mean she has to in s2.

>>14931576
Sonichu has more personality than Mika

>>14931590
It still supports the point, the show has no idea to do when it develops a character so either goes nowhere or they fall into the background

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>>14931591

>>14931559
They are 'heroes' in the sense that the writers want you to think Tekkedan are the good guys and that the actual villains are just as bad as Tekkedan.

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GUNDAM!

>>14931596
yeah but they've never straight up dropped a character after spending episodes on them unless it was that they killed the character, ex; carta, guts bro, aston, etc

>>14931590
Just like Marina was important in S1 but a mere babysitter in S2.

That song was awful, good thing they removed it for the final battle in the movie version.

>>14931611
>they've never straight up dropped a character after spending episodes on them
What I said, they fall into the background and do fuck all with them in this new developed form or don't really develop

> unless it was that they killed the character
and even you see they do >>14931481 where sad story just to kill in the hopes of drama

>>14931613
I remember the peak of activity on /a/ due to shippers going rabid.

How were things when Nena kissed Setsuna?

>>14931573
>Tekkadan are heroes only because the show tells you they are.

They are heroes because they allowed Kudelia to do a small political revolution, although for them it was just a single mission.

They do not think to be heroes. Tekkadan is a family where there are them against everyone else, and everyone else are evil adults that want destroy them for stupid reasons... like Radice.

>>14931616
That sure went anywhere

It is amazing how bad the two main boys relationship (no not fujo kind) has been handled

>>14931590
I feel like Kudelia is going to become more prominent in the later part of the season.

>>14931589
/m has always be so stupid?
It depends by their conduct. It depends by the context. It also depends on why they are mercenaries.

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What the hell is going on when he is midair?

>>14931603
They are protagonists, not heroes.

>>14931633

>>14931559

>>14931645
Oh YES!!! Finally. I was waiting for this masterpiece of quality.

>>14931645

SASOU TOUJOU

GINGA BISHONEN

>>14931645
can you fix the green bit at the end?

>>14931658
kek

>>14931625
>the two main boys relationship
The what?

>>14930609
He needs a crash course in not being a pussy

>>14931649
The protagonists usually play the role of the hero but Tekkedan are not exactly heroic.

The writing of this series is really off.I can't really explain it but its like the writers are trying to make thing appear morally grey when it really is not.I'm not even sure if what I'm posting makes sense....

>>14931569
>lying to children
>sending them out to die in a war he himself started
>mocks them and calls them animals, but never to their faces
>cool
Nah, he was a Class-A dickbag. He's kind of like Mikazuki only with condescending lies instead of blunt honesty and caring for his comrades. He didn't even care when none of his men made it to the rendezvous point except to say to himself that getting new recruits would delay the next job. Sure, he's loyal to his employer/benefactor kind of like how Mika is with Orga, but he has no redeeming qualities at all.
>needs a nuke to the face
It won't be enough.

>>14931697
>It won't be enough.
it would be if you subtract plot armor

>>14931678
>The protagonists usually play the role of the hero

oh, come on anon. This is absolutely not true. Narrative is full of stories with protagonists that are not heroes.

The Count of Monte Cristo, the most classic examples of a story about revenge. In Gundam, even the Celestial assholes were terrorists in the S1 and become heroes only in the S2. hathaway certainly was not a hero, but he was the protagonist of the novel.

>>14931706
that movie was loaded with fail

>>14931706
I said usually.There are exceptions like the ones you mentioned.

>>14931713
>Le Comte de Monte-Cristo
>that movie
>Movie

Alexandre Dumas.. say fuck you.

>>14931678
It very much IS morally grey. These kids are ruthless killers. Mikazuki likes punching mobile suits in the cockpit, they shot the CGS chief while he was tied up, they've executed at least two other people gangland-style (maybe three if Takaki actually shot Radice). Kudelia's revolution destabilized the peace, made mobsters rich, and made the child-soldier problem worse. The only person claiming to be motivated by a desire to eliminate corruption murdered his closest friend and sacrificed a woman who loved him in the process of getting his adopted father exiled so he could advance his plan.

This is not "good guys vs bad guys", this is a downward spiral of violence and betrayal.

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>>14931659
Sure. its fixed. I think that happened because i paused and minimized the video when i went to stop recording.

I suppose this is actually a good combat maneuver. Make the opponent be confused as fuck at what they just witnessed and kill them while they are trapped in a maze of fuck

>>14931734
I wish I could say I'm surprised that the haters aren't readers. The fact that the focus shifting across a large cast is being received as "they don't know what to do with this character anymore" instead of "using the wide cast to show the Tekkadan situation from multiple points of view" pretty much says it all.

>>14931737
That's not grey, that's pitch black.

>>14931756
Make it turn 3 times before landing.

>I suppose this is actually a good combat maneuver
Sure, just like running like Naruto makes you move faster.

>>14931764
>Make it turn 3 times before landing.
Double backflip with a full gainer. It's a smooth move, assuming you don't try to animate it in only 6 frames. Completely unnecessary, sure, but it's in-character for Macky to be extravagant.

>>14931756
I laughed a lot when I saw this, today.

>>14931764
you're a K-ONfag

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>>14931756
>"H-he's fast!"