Black History

Because nobody has come out and definitively said 'How' everything is connected and where. Plus G-Reco screwed everything up since it's somehow based AFTER Turn A. Plus people just don't care what Tomino says anymore.

>>14913218

Heck, didn't the EX-A manga or something treat Correct Century as just a parallel world to other AUs?

Even then, the Turn X's manual implies that the connections to the various AU's is not concrete proof of them all being in the same universe. Different AU's could just be different versions of the same story, told by different forces. Not to mention how the information could be corrupted due to whatever factors as time passes.

>>14913203
Because anyone who believes that every single gundam show exist in the same universe is a fucking retard of the highest order, what Tomino said is that each gundam world may end up with their very own Turn A Gundam scenario and even then we got worlds where this simply cannot happen, like the Anno Domini continuity

The fact that people still keep spouting this bullshit astounds me

>>14913299
If they all happened in the same timeline the Earth should be blown to hell and covered in craters from X.

>>14913299

He didn't actually say that.

>>14913261
EXA's entire plot is basically computer scenarios, ìirc

>>14913304
Correct and that is the exact kind of stupid shit OP is saying

>>14913203
>So why do people still insist on calling Black History stories "AU"?

Tomino has his opinion, /m/ has its own opinion. /m/ wins.

>>14913203
Mainly convention. Whether or not they are all part of the same timeline is irrelevant outside of each individual series and Turn A itself. Some will make nods to older shows (IBO did this at least twice), others won't.

"AU" just makes it easy to differentiate between UC proper, and everything else.

>>14913304
The notes from History Of Turn A say that DG Cells were used to completely resurface the earth at least once. Restoring the environment isn't really that far fetched when you consider tech like Devil Gundam, MLB, and whatever bullshit Kio might pull out of the EXA-DB.
>>14913261
>EX-A manga
Fanfiction. Irrelevant.
>Turn X's manual implies that the connections to the various AU's is not concrete proof of them all being in the same universe.
Have you even read it? It's in the OP post and it definitely says they're in the same universe. The only thing remotely vague is the part about real life history. You might interpret that as suggesting that the events of the shows might be inaccurate, but the fact that they're all in the same universe is stated very clearly.

>>14913457
>Have you even read it? It's in the OP post and it definitely says they're in the same universe
Care to point out where PRECISELY IN THE TEXT IN THE PICTURE THIS IS PRESENT? Tell me how the DG cells or the moonlight butterfly would be able to deal with the ELS then? They are living beings able to assimilate ANYTHING that touches them and create counters to it

>>14913608
>PRECISELY IN THE TEXT IN THE PICTURE THIS IS PRESENT?
"In other words, 1979's Mobile Suit Gundam's UC marks the beginning of humanity's space age, and 1999's Turn A Gundam's CC is its final stage. The timelines broadcast up to that point, G's FC, Wing's AC, and X's AW, as well as 2002's Seed's CE, 2007's 00's AD and 2011's AGE's AG, and all other Gundam series to come are a part of the black history as well."
It's the right hand column in the pic. Just look for 1979 and follow along from there.

>>14913670
Ok but you still haven't said how that deals with the ELS

>>14913676
Why does it need to deal with the ELS? You're talking about two eras of history a couple of thousand years apart (possibly as much as 7,000 years apart depending on what order the BH stories take place in).

As far as DG Cells and MLB, Tomino's own notes from the production of Turn A (in "History of Turn A") state that MLB nanos are based on "perfected DG Cells". Obviously Tomino didn't mention ELS because they weren't thought of yet, but he didn't mention the RX-0 when writing F91 either and people don't have a problem with accepting that as the same universe (except Black_Knight).

Maybe they got wiped out by the Space Whales. Maybe they got Space Herpes. Maybe they evolved individual consciousness as a result of Setsuna's fuckery and killed each other. Maybe Grandpa Flit died wiping them out. Maybe this happened before G. Maybe DG Cells are based on ELS.

The fact that there are unanswered questions does not alter the fact that Turn A was written to unify Gundam, by the creator of the franchise, as a means of acknowledging and validating the works done by other directors. As much as /m/ sucks Tomino's dick and considers his vision the "true" version of Gundam, you turn a blind eye to the fact that he's the one that created the idea of the Black History in the first place. The "true" Tomino Gundam story includes the decision to accept all other directors' stories as part of his fictional universe.

>>14913203
Are you people actually retarded? Like seriously?

It is a SPIRITUAL TIMELINE! All the shows exist in one singular timeline. The real world were they were all made and exist.

Now this is somewhat based on conjecture but i have an idea as to why he did this.

So Tomino's biggest hit was always Gundam, as the greeks say "always do the best thing you ever do last." Otherwise you live in the shadow of it for the rest of your life. Lucas had the same problem. Tomino TRIED to do other stuff all pretty good(Xabungle) or strangely cool(Ideon) or laughably bad(Garzy's wing). But at the en d of the day, you say Anno, we think Eva, You say Kawamori we think Macross, you say Tomino we think Gundam.

Thing is it was 1999 and Tomino had not done a Gundam in nearly six years and had only sort of conlcuded his story with CCA. I would guess he never really had any grand plans, he was just a guy who made shows with a weird twist, then went and had one that exploded into popularity with cultural zeitgeist. So he gets a bit of the ol Y2K syndrome and feels that he needs to make it a special series for the turn of the millennium.

Now as a creator he always wants to move away from UC but that invariably is the pivotal local he gets dragged back to with popularity. But anyways he decides he is going to put a capstone on the world he created. He is going to make Gundam into a grand arc of war and peace and characters. This is the function of the black history. Not to confusingly squidge the timeline or use stock footage from the past shows, but to grandiosely say"This is all one story, my story!". Is it really surprising that after another ten odd years he would come back and do the same thing again? Only to one up by putting it EVEN FURTHER ALONG THE TIMELINE!

Now personally i like the idea of the black history. It's neat. What it essentially does is serves as a capstone. The correct century takes all the various Gundam series and has a mini "crisis on infinite Earths".

>>14913764
>a mini "crisis on infinite Earths".
Not remotely.
COIE was the story of an extra-dimensional being devouring whole realities, and the surviving heroes of the last three realities teaming up to defeat him with the final battle resulting in those three realities collapsing into a single universe.

Black History is just "No, those were never alternate realities at all, just forgotten eras of history." There isn't even a slight similarity to COIE. One is "these separate realities were damaged and merged into one while the characters from those realities interacted with each other" and the other is "you thought those were separate realities but they weren't" with no interaction between characters of different shows. The only thing even remotely slightly vaguely resembling character crossover is the implication that Corin Nander is originally from the Gundam Wing era.

Not that I'd object to a story of Amuro, Setsuna, Garrod, and Mikazuki teaming up to defeat the Anti-Monitor, but that isn't anywhere close to what happened.

> Char gets so mad about the loss of his waifu that he punches through reality creating all of his clones

>>14913203
Does that mean that Build Fighters is the grim darkness of the far, far future where there's a collective unconscious remembering of the ancient history, but everyone just thinks it's a popular television series with model kits based on them?

>>14913203
The explanation in the Turn X manual is just an explanation specific to the animated series Turn A Gundam that all Gundam is connected. It is not saying that outside of Turn A Gundam that all Gundam is connected.

>>14913218
>Plus people just don't care what Tomino says anymore.

This.

Plus as much as I love Turn A the whole merging everything idea was stupid, especially since Sunrise was just gonna make more shows after anyways.

>>14914407
Maybe you should actually read the translation instead of just repeating what you've heard on /m/. It doesn't say that Turn A's history includes all of those shows, it explicitly says that all of those shows happen in the same reality.

>>14913299
Why couldn't 00 lead to Turn A? We know that people left the solar system thanks to Turn A'S prequel and that something caused humanities galactic civilisation to fall apart. We also know the Turn X game from outside the solar system.

Personally I prefer the idea that the UC and everything else happened pretty much as is and inconsistencies between the other timelines is that they're incomplete extrapolations made by historians from the Black History records.