Holy shit

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>>14862904

>>14862904
Very nice.

>>14862904
Neat.

I'm reminded of a similar, but in far poorer taste ">yuropoors" sign that showed up on a broadcast from here in NY a year or so ago.

>>14862904
Goddamn filthy Zeeks propaganda.

That's pretty great actually.

>>14862904
SIEG ZEON

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>>14862904
Nice

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>>14862904

>>14862904
the memes continue to break through to the flesh world
the time is nigh

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>>14862904
>>14863054

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>>14862904
I don't like that memes are coming into reality

I'm scared

>>14863068
Scared?

You should be cringing right now.

I remember when we used to dispose of original content once someone outside the fold got ahold of it.

>>14862904
This whole year is just so unreal. I love it.

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>>14863068
dont be
soon you'll live beyond scared

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>>14863073
I blame /pol/

>>14863145
I can't wait for /pol/ to explode this November. Then we won't have any more incidents like this.

>>14863175
>implying it won't get ten times worse as people desperately try to fuel the fire that is "rigged election."

Wheels within wheels, anon. This is what happens when you let retards into /pol/.

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>>14863175
memes cant stop

>>14863175
Unless Trump manages to win, in which case things will just get worse.

>>14863175
The subject will change but shitposting on facebook and twitter will still climb steadily.

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>>14863208
>worse

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>>14863257
> >

>>14863175

Mee too, 08 election was great

>>14863208
As opposed to going to war with Russia over the middle east?

>>14863263
sorry I'm new
I've just come heard about this place and decided to check it out

>>14863190
HE'S JUST A SADFROG!

>>14863292
When the reasons not to vote for Trump get bigger and bigger, the desperate Trump supporters resort to the old "a vote for X is a vote for war" argument.

Besides, perpetual warfare is the only way to make /m/ real. I'm with her.

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>>14863327
>he didn't learn a very special lesson from his Chinese cartoons
It's not like I'd pilot a mobile suit anyways, I'd just be some fuck getting a colony dropped on me.

>>14863292

I'm not even from the USA, nor do I reside within it, and given the choice between an establishment crony and someone about whom it is becoming increasingly apparent that he has no fucking idea what he's doing, I'd pick the better poison, really.

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>>14862904
SEIG. ZEON

>>14863345
I pick neither.

This lesser evil shit is why the two-party system needs to go.

>>14863354

Well hey, there's always Johnson as a protest vote.

I mean that sincerely, by the way.

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long live the dank flesh

>>14863355
I'm considering him.

People use the Aleppo meme, but his ignorance suggests he'll be less likely to start shit abroad.

>>14863369
His ignorance suggests he won't be able to recognize a land grab by Putin before it's too late.

BUT WAIT THE NRA SAID THE DEMS WILL TAKE MUH GUNS AWAY

christ I hate the average intellect of my fellow countrymen.

>>14863292
Why are you so worried about being friends with Russia, Pyotr?

>>14863421
I'm not interested in what Putin does. It's not my problem.

>>14863327
Vindel, go home. You're drunk.

>>14862904
So when was this?

>>14863443
MAUSER IS ALWAYS RIGHT

>>14863439
This, i could not give two fucks if putin wants more land i say let the EU handle him

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>>14863345
Hillary is the Federation, Trump is the Zabi family. Sure, the Federation is corrupt and oppressive, and Zeon is talking up all this stuff about freedom and change, but I'll take corrupt stability over unpredictable, inept revolution that's obviously driven by ego and power-hunger.

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>>14862904
When Zeon sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing Zakus. They're dropping colonies. They're villains. And some, I assume, are good people.

>>14863073
>>14863145

Remember when if there was ever something traced back to us, ebaumsworld did it?

>>14863505
or rather we said that, I mean.

>>14863175

I wasn't here for 2008, but was it this bad? /pol/ was an amusing place to shitpost on but the whole Trump train has dialed the nonsense up to eleven. It's like a bunch of Neets on speed.

>>14863512

I don't think pol was even a thing in 2008. I think we still had /new/ back then.

>>14863512
>2008
>/pol/

>>14863520
To be fair, it's the same shit by another name isn't it?

>>14863512
You could just go back to 2012, the Obongo vs Mittens shit was cancerous then too.

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>>14863486
Trump is that Mr. Wong guy who funded A.E.U.G.

Bill is Sirocco and Hillary is Bask Om.

>>14863520
>>14863533

Yeah, if /new/ was the equivalent. IIRC wasn't that the board that had to be shut down because it was too much like what /pol/ became, and then they made /pol/ for them with a new label and no pretext of being about the news?

>>14863536

Sorta. The difference between /new/ and /pol/, and furthermore between old and new 4chan, is goals. Both had horribily racist, sexist, xenophobic, and just outright asshole views. But old 4chan didn't want anything to change really. They were content with just fucking around, with being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. It's why trolling for the longest time meant harassing people irl, because it was the easiest way to be a prick.

Nowadays people have it in their heads that they need to change the world, that the fun times are gone and you need to be serious. I say it, we're all wormfood in the end anyway, you might as well just have fun.

>>14863548
I say fuck it*

>>14863545

Hillary is going to be killed by a woman who is pissy because she never got laid?

>>14863547
Moot shut down /new/ because he was a giant puss, then brought it back because he said he was being hypocritical for criticizing other people for not allowing free speech.

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>>14863555
Something like that.

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>>14863555
Either that, or she'll be killed by Sting.

Fear is the mind-killer. Words which couldn't be more applicable to our times.

>>14863568

I WILL KILL HER!

I....I will kill her.

>>14863575
I REMEMBER YOUR MEMES, NOW YOU'LL REMEMBER MINE.

>>14863594

I can't help but quote it, I love the Dune movie far more than it deserves.

>>14863561
Bill Clinton will run away from his family and ex-presidency duties, disguising himself with sunglasses and joining Lewinsky's organization under the name Quinta Vagina.

>>14863599
It has some pretty quotable stufATOMICS!!!

>>14863614
>Not Trio Menage

>>14863363
Glad to see the Church Of The Cathoid Meme Tube alive and well

>>14863548

Yeah it's kinda different. a while back /pol/ was a place where while there were obvious biases, you could still find people who'd talk shit about the flavor of the month.

Now any criticism of Trump is replied to with cries of Hillary shilling and so forth. When all this Russian meddling became clear I expected /pol/ to backflip on Trump but they totally didn't, which totally shocked me because I remember them laying into Putin and Russia and the SU really harshly and having big wars about it.

>>14864086
Someone explain this Russian shit to me.

If it's the truth, does it matter where it came from? Reminds me of when Snowden leaked stuff like PRISM several years ago.

>>14863208
If Trump wins, the /pol/ shit will get really bad for about a month, but it won't last. They'll turn on him. He'll eventually say something that upsets /pol/, and then they'll discard him as a "nu-male beta SJW cuckservative".

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>>14864110
>If it's the truth, does it matter where it came from?
In regards to criticizing Hillary, no, I don't think so. If the Russians hack into her emails and reveal that she has a rape dungeon beneath the White House, we aren't going to pretend they don't exist just because it's a KGB-style active measure meant to manipulate us.

In regards to criticizing Putin, yes, I think so. If his government is behind the breach, he's probably not trying to influence the American public because he loves democracy. Influencing us has some part in his goals, and I'd bet his goals don't line up with the average American's. Even if they did, it's not a foreign government's place to influence another country's election. I'd be somewhat okay with a private US citizen hacking government officials, like Snowden. I'd even be okay with a foreign private citizen doing so. But a foreign government, that pumps tons of money into its cyber-warfare division? It's basically a Super PAC.

Two caveats:
1. I haven't seen anything egregious in the Wikileaks. They've just shown that Hillary's a dirty politician; I expect as much. But I haven't read everything in depth, I just look up what people scream about the most, which has so far ended up being nothing.
2. I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that the Russian government is truly behind the Wikileaks leaks. Hillary cites seventeen private and government intelligence agencies, and it's hard to imagine that these seventeen groups would lie in unison without one tripping up. But I wish they'd tell us what the supposed trademarks of a Russian-sponsored hacks are, and where they've spotted those trademarks.

>>14864086
Thats because
A. Newfags in numbers never before seen
B. Trump shills exist too. You think a /pol/ack had the mental capacity to set up Trump General with all those links and shit? Nah

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>>14864110
The issue is:

Trump is an isolationist except on ISIS, basically. He wants to blow up the terrorists and go home. That's bad because he wants to relinquish and diminish US defense holdings internationally and leave US allies to mostly fend for themselves. He says conciliatory that he'd give them nukes but this isn't the best idea for obvious reasons.

Russia likes bullying other countries and expanding its influence. It has a well-known history since the cold war (so did the US to be fair) of messing with governments and spying. Their warplanes are notorious for violating airspace, they enjoy intimidation- and Putin is basically a dictator who has corrupted his country's own government system to ensure he has all the power.

It's in Russia's best interests that Trump wins because Trump's policy is to get out of Russia's way on an international stage. Then Russia will be able to do as they please- influence Turkey, influence the middle east and thus oil prices (which is what they're already doing in Syria), slowly dismantle the EU, sky's the limit. Hillary on the other hand, is a hawk. She opposes Russia and she thinks Putin is a danger to US hegemony. Like or lump the US's control of the world it's better than a Russian hand.

There's no direct proof that Trump is working for Russia, but him winning is better for them globally.

>>14864131
>But I wish they'd tell us what the supposed trademarks of a Russian-sponsored hacks are, and where they've spotted those trademarks.
If they did it would just give the Russians hackers info on how to hide better , or possibly there are no trademarks and they are getting their info from straight up spies , in which case they can't exactly say they have spies in russia.
It's a game they can't win.

>>14864131
Fair enough.

>>14864141
While I agree on the nukes, you say US isolationism is bad. Don't most Americans want to end being the world police and everything though?

>>14864146
I considered that. At least the former scenario, not the latter. But it stinks having to take intelligence agencies at their word. Because I don't have to be a fool willing to vote for Trump in order to be skeptical of Hillary's persuasion. With all the videos of bloodied Syrian children in the news, I get the sense our brains are being softened up so we're more receptive to increased military action. I kind of want increased military action, in an ideal world dictators shouldn't be propped up, but I resent the apparent manipulation. And if they're willing to manipulate, they could certainly claim certainty that Russia is behind the Wikileaks, when in reality they just have an educated guess.

I'm reminded of some scientists who proposed to make research on deadly viruses completely public, arguing that the threat of criminals using the info to make bioweapons would be outweighed by everyone else being better able to prepare against such attacks. I wish I could make that argument about covert ops.

Huh, that mass DDoS happened just yesterday morning. Cyber-warfare was an abstract idea, nothing more than a show on TV. As a child, I only saw it as something that happened in some far-away land. Until that final day of fall...

>>14864173
The US is too entrenched in everything to simply go back to being isolationist. While we are in a state of decline, a US withdrawal would still create a huge power vaccuum.

>>14864173

Sure, domestically. The problem is the US has military bases all over the world and holds Russia, China, Iran, etc in check. It ensures global security and force of order through weapons, troops and logistics.

That's a massive drain on your economy and population but it ensures that the US itself will never be invaded because most countries are indebted to it. America put itself into that position by becoming a superpower during and after the world wars, though. The country's now cannot withdraw from all those obligations without having everything it props up crumble to shit.

In terms of simple logistics tho the US becoming isolationist would be signing its own death warrant. The biggest impediment to invasion and warfare even in the modern day is the movement of massive armies. Only the US and to a lesser extent Russia can afford to deploy a massive occupation force at great cost anywhere in the world, and they hold each other in check. Russia can't get closer to the US and invade because the US is surrounded by friendly countries who'll have US backing in a fight.

But what happens if those countries are left to fend for themselves? Russia just needs to take them down one by one until it gets close enough, then bam, they can start seizing parts of America. Nukes are always a factor but people actually using them? Who knows.

Either way it's a risky game I'd rather not mess with.

>>14863369
>People use the Aleppo meme, but his ignorance suggests he'll be less likely to start shit abroad.
He is also less likely to understand the implication of a nuclear North Korea.

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>B-But hillary won't start a war!

>>14864196
>>14864197
I wish the world did have a global military force, where every nation would shoulder some of the burden rather than give way to one superpower or another. Something that would intervene whenever certain egregious, undeniably objective violations of human rights occur. But I guess if every nation had a say in how and when that global military is deployed, we'd just be back at square one.

>>14864215

Everyone has different interests and different views. I imagine if any country was given access to some game-changer they'd try to use it to their advantage.

>>14864196
>>14864197
Well, the US isn't going to be around forever, but that's beside the point.

The US allies that I'm aware of are Europe, South Korea and Japan. A US withdrawal from foreign bases wouldn't necessarily swing those places towards Russia (or China), yes?

I just find it hard to imagine those regions suddenly liking either of those countries. Russia wanting to see parts of Europe one by one until it targets America also sounds like hyperbole to me, but I digress.

>>14864131
>I just look up what people scream about the most, which has so far ended up being nothing.
Like Hillary pretending to be the hero of middle class and then saying she is out of touch with the middle class during her speeches? Or Hillary saying she will make the rich guys pay their fair share and then getting money from those rich guys? The list of possible VPs?
It is probably something people always knew, but it is not "nothing".

>>14864173
>>14864141
Not to mention Trump's policy would probably force South Korea and Japan to go nuclear and many pundit think South Korea would shift more towards China than Japan.

>>14864220
>The US allies that I'm aware of are Europe, South Korea and Japan.

Dude, NATO alone is like 28 members.

It's not about if they switch sides, their opinions on the US and Russia are irrelevant should the US pull out. They simply won't have the resources to stand up to Russia alone without America support.

It's a numbers and logistics game.

>>14864220
>A US withdrawal from foreign bases wouldn't necessarily swing those places towards Russia (or China), yes?
Yes, they would swing towards China and Russia, see for example what is going on with Philippine.

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>>14864211
>Nobody would admit to voting in a warhawk, this'll back Schillary voters into a corner for sure!
>They'll either have to deny she's a hawk, or give in to Trump!
Except perhaps even yet another war would be safer than a Trump presidency. (And the potential wars Trump could lead us into more indirectly.)

>>14862904
Which one of you fuckers did this?

Assuming it's legit.

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>>14864235
Doesn't matter what wars either of them drag us into. We're gonna win them.

>>14864231
I guess most military forces in Europe must be pretty pathetic then.

Russia doesn't exactly have the resources and equipment for a large-scale invasion and long-term occupation, at least from what I can tell; so Europe's militaries must have it rough if Russia could walk all over them.

>>14864233
Fair enough. South Korea and Japan don't like China as far as I can tell (and both Korea and China hate Japan), but it seems anything can happen at this point.

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>>14864240
>We're gonna win them.

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>>14862904

>>14864131

The Russia thing is more of a way to deflect from the criticism the leaks bring up.

>>14864235
>>14864240

>picking fight with the other biggest nuclear power with Syrian no-fly zone
>win
>safer

I am not even from Burgerland and I woudl rather Trump be your president. At least you would keep your stupid shit in your own borders, preferrably behind that war Trump is gonna build.

I sincerely hope you two are shiptposting

>>14864241

Consider that most European countries are small and closely-packed together and have been that way for a very long time. Small populations, small resources, tight borders, and a lot of well-explored and well-mapped terrain which has been fought over by armies many many times.

The EU as an organization exists in an attempt to stand up to Russia originally, many of its member-states have wanted to form a united EU army for a long time but because it's made of so many disparate agendas and economically a mess NATO is the best thing they have to rely on.

>>14864252

If you're not in the US you don't want Trump. He's going to abandon you to Russia, he's even stated as much.

>>14864240
There is no "winning" against another nuclear power.

That Hillary continues to advocate a no-fly zone in Syria, despite generals saying it would result in a shooting war with Russia, is more than a little frightening.

>>14864252
>>14864253
>If you're not in the US you don't want Trump. He's going to abandon you to Russia, he's even stated as much.
I'm from Europe and I'm scared for both the candidates.
One would piss Russia off because Cold War mentality, the other would let North Korea have its way and do whatever they want.

I really don't see how any of the candidates is "better".

>>14864253

>If you're not in the US you don't want Trump. He's going to abandon you to Russia, he's even stated as much.

Putin isn't actively threatening war with another nuclear power. His proxy wars are no worse than the US and are mostly reactionary to the US. I would take allying with him anyday over Hillary

>>14864222
>but it is not "nothing".
I would agree that it's newsworthy, and that the media should've spent more time covering the leaks.

But I really can't be upset that Hillary hides her out-of-touchness with the middle class. I'm more upset with the masses for expecting statesmen and wealthy people to stay in touch with them, ever believing that born-wealthies like Trump can sincerely identify with them, and expecting rags-to-riches guys like the Clintons to "remember where they came from". In that sense, the "middle class" is just as petty as the social justice warriors, embracing identity politics. Lawmakers don't have to empathize with you or walk in your shoes in order to govern effectively.

And that's assuming Hillary was lying to the public, and being honest with the rich donors, and not being honest with the public while tricking her rich donors with seductive ego-stroking like a pantsuit-wearing Robin Hood. Or lying to the public and to her rich donors equally.

The truth might be that the best possible policies—the ones that will work out the best for everyone—aren't ones the public will accept. Because of that possibility, I can't be as hard on politicians as most people are. Maybe a little Machiavellian subterfuge is the responsible thing to do. America is a democratic republic, after all, not a pure, direct democracy. We choose our leaders, but our leaders should still retain their own will separate from the public's collective will. And that's partly because a collective can't be as intelligent as an individual.

>>14864252
Yeah I'm shit posting.

I feel posting patriotic shitposts helps cope with the fact the country is going down the shitter.

>>14864262

The problem is the people oftentimes see themselves as existing for the elite to screw over and maintain an oligarchy.

>>14864257

Hillary has more braincells than Trump. She's better.

>>14864262
>I'm more upset with the masses for expecting statesmen and wealthy people to stay in touch with them
I agree on that, but her big speeches to the electorate are all about how she is one of them and she will work for them. It is just pandering. I could believe it coming from someone like Obama and Sanders, not her.
And I think people are tired of politicians doing this pandering game, that is why Trump has gained so much support.

>ever believing that born-wealthies like Trump can sincerely identify with them
But he doesn't and he doesn't try to. And I think his voters realize that. They are not voting him because he will bring equality, some middle class people are voting him because they think and entrepreneur is better than someone who worked in politics for so long.

CUBS WIN YOU FAGGOTS!

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>>14864276
>And I think people are tired of politicians doing this pandering game, that is why Trump has gained so much support.
He does the same shit, if not worse so!

Trump is a populist. Populists have existed since ancient times and have worked on a platform cutting through the bullshit, of telling people what they want to hear and aiming the hatred of the people against the established elite.

The greatest accomplishment of populism was being used by a series of power-hungry tyrants to destroy the Roman Republic. Throughout history populism leads to bloodshed, sadness and failure because people realize the populist figurehead's ideals don't mesh with reality and there's no legs on the movement.

Don't fucking vote for populists.

>>14864282
>He does the same shit, if not worse so!
>>14864283
>Trump is a populist
Sure, but given the means he would really kick out millions of immigrants, leave Japan, South Korea and Europe alone, nuke Middle East to oblivion, build a wall and give the middle finger to China.
I mean, if he was elected I think he wouldn't be able to do anything of that because Republican don't want to, but I think he REALLY wants to do all that.
I don't think any of that is going to improve America or the world's in any way, but I can understand why some people appreciate his frankness and honesty.

On the other hand I can't say Democrats really care about refugees, despite whatever they say before the election. Look at Libya.

>>14864295

Yes, that's what a populist does. Trump would do his best to fulfill what he promised, and when any agencies or parties or institutions stand in his way, he'd tell his supporters who to blame and hate for it.

What happens after that depends on the American people and their capacity.

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>>14864251
I adressed that in my first paragraph. Yes, it's used as a deflection, and we shouldn't allow that deflection to work. But we also shouldn't ignore Russia's intentions, if it was Russia after all. If we don't like the influence Super PACs have on our democracy, we shouldn't tolerate Russia acting as one.

>>14864252
Hillary Clinton wouldn't have anything to gain from a nuclear war with Russia. Neither would Putin. Unless you believe they want to survive the nuclear apocalypse in some paradisal bunker, or you believe either one of them is a religious fanatic.

Would a conflict with Russia raise the chances of nuclear war? Yes, it would, and that's bad. But the alternative is a candidate who thinks that Japan should be militarily abandoned if it doesn't "pay up", and then given nukes to defend itself from China or North Korea. Sure, cooler heads would probably privately slap Trump in the Oval Office to prevent him from following that policy. But his presidency would raise the chances of that nuclear proliferation, and general chaos due to reneged alliances.

>>14864276
>I think people are tired of politicians doing this pandering game
>that is why Trump has gained so much support
>he doesn't and he doesn't try to
The hat is definitely pandering. I could possibly see him wearing a hat like that while golfing. But I think the main idea is to make himself look like he just stepped out of a gas station with a bag of Zebra Cakes.

You see, I didn't say
>I'm more upset with the masses for believing that statesmen and wealthy people are in touch with them when they're not
what I meant was
>I'm upset with the masses for wanting people who are in touch with them: they should look past that, just like people should look past whether or not a candidate belongs to their same race or sex

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>>14864297
>Hillary Clinton wouldn't have anything to gain from a nuclear war with Russia. Neither would Putin. Unless you believe they want to survive the nuclear apocalypse in some paradisal bunker, or you believe either one of them is a religious fanatic.

Unless you're one of those people who thinks the US elite want to purposely create WW3 because they see America as being on the verge of a second civil war (not red vs blue, but haves vs have-nots, French Revolution shit) and that a giant war is a last ditch effort to cement their power base in the belief that unlike a revolting america, the current powerbase would survive a nuclear holocaust.

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>>14864299
That is not the webm I clicked on

GOOK MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

>>14864299

Yeah but then you're just getting into paranoia and conspiracy theories.

And really if you want to suspect someone, start with the businessman running for office without revealing his taxes.

I mean, come on.

>>14864301

Don't you get it man, it doesn't matter who wins. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

>>14864297
>Hillary Clinton wouldn't have anything to gain from a nuclear war with Russia. Neither would Putin.
True, but increasing the tension between the two countries increases the chances of firing nukes at each other. Even by mistake.

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>>14864299
Well, now I'm convinced.

>>14863327
>Choosing Hillary "TPP is the gold standard" Clinton
Just choose Johnson or Stein

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>>14864305

To quote an idiot space marine
"Don't you get it? We don't have to find WMDs, we just have to WANT to find them, that's how it works!"

>>14864307

Johnson actively supports the TPP (because Libertarians worship the invisible hand to the point that they seem to genuinely think if you let the market do it's work, everything will work out), and Stein is an idiot.

>>14864304

You're concerned about an accidental nuclear war and you want Trump with the nuclear button instead?

>>14864311

You know the button isn't a literal button and there's a multi-step process with the exception of the political high command having all been taken out first, right?

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>>14864304
I conceded as much in that post.

>>14864312

So why wouldn't that system apply to Hillary as well?

>>14864311
>and you want Trump with the nuclear button instead
No? Trump would be just as bad because Japan and South Korea VS China and North Korea.
I'm not >>14864252 if that is what you are thinking.

>>14864314

Yes. I wasn't the person you first replied to, I was just making a point

>>14864315

Oh sorry, I apologize.

You think in the Reagan administration people were acting this crazy? What with Reaganomics screwing a bunch of people over, the cold war getting the closest it was to hot since the missile crisis, etc.

>>14864314
"By mistake" means "America or Russia's defense system detected an attack triggering a response".
And it is not a far fetched possibility. It could have happened during Cold War and it can happen now.
Some analyst say it is more likely to happen now because Cold War military had a lot of veterans from WWII. Nowadays?

>>14864319
We had candidates that weren't disliked on a personal level back then.

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>>14864315
I wonder what Rando Yaguchi and Hideaki Anno would think of a Trump presidency leaving Japan to defend itself...

>>14864110
OK I'm having a terrible day typing this shit up with the Android UI getting in my way, so I apologize for the very laconic cliff notes I'm about to drop here. I truly meant this to be a bit more eloquent:

Narrative. We're at the point we, and with good reason, meet every new revelation with "FOR WHAT PURPOSE?" Truth is something we should all seek, but truth is as much a weapon as it is an ideal. You have to question the purpose of convenient truths showing up at inopportune times.

Like the email leaks that only seem to target the Dems and seek to reinforce claims of corruption and the notion of an insider's club.

Or the women coming out of the woodwork to claim that yes Trump has a history of sexual harassment and "grab em by the pussy" is not locker room banter.

Context defines content. Real easy to observe example: Consider how Trump has been laying in on the IT'S ALL RIGGED rhetoric lately, it's pretty much a get out of jail free card for when he fails to be elected. He has established a narrative, and it will define how the facts are interpreted (Trump didn't lose, he was cheated out of his win!).

Today may be the age of memes, but encapsulating them is the narrative, the context that defines the content.

http://heatst.com/world/how-russias-twitter-bots-and-trolls-work-with-donald-trump-campaign-accounts/

>>14864315
Except Japan has next to no chance of going to war with China.

In fact, they are mending their issues, only the US alliance remains the only obstacle.

>>14864297
>Yes, it would, and that's bad. But the alternative is a candidate who thinks that Japan should be militarily abandoned if it doesn't "pay up", and then given nukes to defend itself from China or North Korea. Sure, cooler heads would probably privately slap Trump in the Oval Office to prevent him from following that policy. But his presidency would raise the chances of that nuclear proliferation, and general chaos due to reneged alliances.
Jesus christ, nukes are the only thing that keep the world peace.

You realize why North Korea isn't attacked right? Because people fear nukes.

I cannot believe these kind of anti-nukes people still exist on /m/.

Fucking globalist shills.

>>14863486
But the federation or Hillary is not stability, people are getting poorer and US is involved in more wars than ever, and we are still funding terrorists.

You are hating Trump/Zeon despite the fact Trump has done jack shit yet.

>>14864784

China pls go

>>14863421
Except gun control in my own country is bigger issue than a Russian landgrab far away.

Are you an america or a NATO?

>>14864809
US please go.

You realize Abe respects Xi Jinping more than King Nig right?

>>14864794
Norker nuclear woes are something I don't understand.

BEST Korea is a fucking joke, their nuclear program is more bark than bite, and China has nothing to gain from the Norkers starting shit with nukes so the moment whichever Kim tries to press the button you'll see the Chinese intervene hard and fast before WORLD POLICE HERE, WE KINDA NEED SOUTH KOREA'S CONSUMER ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY AFTER ALL, PLEASE FUCK OFF KINDLY ensues.

Japan has cultural issues that make giving them nukes a massive faux pas. Also their postwar identity makes it hard for them to arm up to make up for no American support without looking like warmongers-in-waiting.

Honestly the Orient is its own miniature cold war deadlock for as long as America is refereeing the theater. Get them out of the way and you'll start to see some real uncomfortable shit when China pulls its own land grab gambit.

>>14864141
>That's bad because he wants to relinquish and diminish US defense holdings internationally and leave US allies to mostly fend for themselves. He says conciliatory that he'd give them nukes but this isn't the best idea for obvious reasons.
What obvious reason? Apparently, North Korea and Pakistan and India can have nukes, but US's allies can't? What reason is this?
>Russia likes bullying other countries and expanding its influence. It has a well-known history since the cold war (so did the US to be fair) of messing with governments and spying. Their warplanes are notorious for violating airspace, they enjoy intimidation- and Putin is basically a dictator who has corrupted his country's own government system to ensure he has all the power.
The US did the same shit in the Cold War.

>>14864820
Best Korea is a joke that no one wants to fuck with.
>Japan has cultural issues that make giving them nukes a massive faux pas. Also their postwar identity makes it hard for them to arm up to make up for no American support without looking like warmongers-in-waiting.
Abe and the ring-wing is totally fine with nukes, and is in fact re-militarizing, no one gives a shit about what foreigners think.
>
Honestly the Orient is its own miniature cold war deadlock for as long as America is refereeing the theater. Get them out of the way and you'll start to see some real uncomfortable shit when China pulls its own land grab gambit.
Except the US is the malevolent force that is keeping the asian countries against each other.

As shown by the phillipines, even enemies can work together, as long as the US gets out of the way.

So as an asian, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, AMERICAN!

You don't understand anything about Nuclear weapons, do you?

>>14864141
>Like or lump the US's control of the world it's better than a Russian hand.
Except the US has started more wars and destabilize many regions than the ruskies do.

Look in your mirror, you are a fucking Clinton shill.

>>14864838
Do you?

>>14864811
Smack some shit into the NRA to have them rep you guys better.

Fact is that noguns push restrictive legislation out of ignorance. I personally believe that focusing on the tool of murder overlooks the fact that if someone is set on committing murder they're going to find a way to do it, and as such identifying and preventing violence is what should be happening, not persecuting gun owners for the tool.

Remind them of the Akihabara massacre and how it doesn't take a gun for someone to go postal.

>>14864846
Smack the fucking noguns in the first place.

Noguns are retarded, smack them until they stop being retarded.

I cannot believe /m/ IS really a democrat Hillary shill board.

>>14864844

Honey, let me ask you a question. Let's say there's two countries. Country A and Country B. Both countries have a shared history and have a lot of families and cultural links between them, but in recent years have soured in their relationship.

Country A has nukes. Country B does not. Country A has a small military. Country B has a large military.

One day Country B suddenly sends in troops and occupies a city in Country A. Country A tells them to fuck off because they have nukes. Country B says that they've not done anything to justify such an extreme response and are treating civilians humanely. Country A complains to the UN but the UN can't do anything because Country B's ally keeps vetoing their shit. Country B insists that Country A cannot fire a nuke because it'll be an ecological and humanitarian disaster. Public opinion around the world demands B to leave but on the subject of nukes they're hesitant.

Country B then quietly occupies a second city.

Country A's president has to make a decision. With one order he can fire a nuclear warhead at an appropriate target in Country B. Doing so will doom thousands to lethal doses of nuclear radiation including people that have friends and family in Country A. The behavior of the troops in the occupied cities will also be unpredictable. They may surrender, or assume all is lost and massacre the citizens. However, the Nuke may be able to decimate Country B's head of state, leadership, and cripple it.

What should Country A do?

>>14864884
Nigger, let me say a simple shit.

Country B wouldn't fuck with Country A because Country A has nukes.

End of, such is the case of real history.

Now stop with your nonsense and arm both countries with nukes already.

>>14864896

You don't have an answer, okay then.

>>14864904
I have it, it's Country A to use nuclear warhead and destroy Country B's capital, simply because Country B does not have nukes to fire back.

But because Country B knows this would be the outcome, they would never attack Country A.

>>14864910

But they did, so what will the president of Country A do?

>>14864884
Say on every channel possible, "Get the fuck out within however long or we launch a nuke at this bit of desert in your country that doesn't matter."
If they don't do it, nuke the place and tell them to get out within however long or you'll nuke some city that actually vaguely matters, except even more publicly.
At this point the UN has to get involved one way or the other, whether telling B to get the fuck out already, evacuating people from B's city, or whatever.
And then if that doesn't work tell them to get the fuck out before you nuke the capital in every single way you possibly can.
Or, better yet, >>14864896 is right, and nobody wants to fuck with someone who can pretty much erase a 20 mile chunk of land.

>>14864916
To nuke the enemy, duh.

That's the whole point of having nukes. If no one dares to use nukes, nukes are useless.

>>14864920
The UN is shit and will not be able to do shit.

>>14864924
Nukes have also never been used against another country since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, just before the UN was founded..

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201608171044341537-japan-obama-nuclear-first-use/

God bless Abe, get some nukes on your sides.

If the US does not give them to you, maybe Russia might!

>>14864921

Wow you realized something profound at the end there.

>>14864920

But in the end, do you nuke the capital?

This is ultimately a question of ethics- In an era of "civilized" and often relatively bloodless occupations, how much damage would being invaded and defeated by a foreign country actually do? The logistics and money involved means the invading power will have an interest in restoring public order and getting things back to normal as quickly as possible.

If your opponent isn't going to go around executing your firstborns and raping your women any more, what exactly is your justification for firing back except preserving a concept like national identity and sovereignty? Is it worth killing thousands of civilians and irradiating the landscape just for that?

>>14864933
At this point it's been firmly established that A is willing to do it. B won't be willing to risk it because a city has already been nuked if it's hit that point. The question is pointless.

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>>14864297
Why is Trump Mazinkaiser SKL?

>>14864937

I don't agree with that at all, and I think it's a bit sad you think that way.

>>14864931
And? The UN is still as weak as ever.
>>14864933
Not really, I have known of this since the beginning, if no one uses dare to use nukes, nukes are useless.

>This is ultimately a question of ethics- In an era of "civilized" and often relatively bloodless occupations, how much damage would being invaded and defeated by a foreign country actually do?
Yep, just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

Those "bloodless" occupations sure are peaceful.

>If your opponent isn't going to go around executing your firstborns and raping your women any more, what exactly is your justification for firing back except preserving a concept like national identity and sovereignty? Is it worth killing thousands of civilians and irradiating the landscape just for that?
To protect your borders that your enemies have violated, the fact they don't go killing or raping does not mean their act not criminal.

>>14864324
(I love her)

>>14864941
God, I hope your guilt-tripping ass isn't getting near politics anytime soon.

>>14864947

Same to you.

>>14864941
B, and the rest of the world, has been told to get out before nukes are used on some bit of their land that has jack and shit in it.
They didn't get out, it got nuked.
B, and the rest of the world, has been told to get out before nukes are used on a city.
They didn't get out, and it got nuked.
At this point B either gets out, or the citizens force B to get out.

>>14864949
Actually, people like me would keep world peace.

Your kind would have endless war with "peaceful" occupations.

>>14864938
fucking Equilibrium... If fahrenheit 451, Brave New World and The Matrix had a baby and pissed on it

>>14864955

Your methods are messy and solve nothing in the long run.

We need to work with Russia.

This is why we need Trump!

>>14864784
>In fact, they are mending their issues, only the US alliance remains the only obstacle.
Like the Nanjing controversy and Japan pulling out of UNESCO? Or like China invasion of Japanese sea? Or North Korea firing missiles in Japanese sea?

>>14864820
>and China has nothing to gain from the Norkers starting shit with nuke
The issue is that NK is unpredictable, and the only reason they are relevant to the world stage is the nuclear program.

>Japan has cultural issues that make giving them nukes a massive faux pas.
So is revisionism and modifying their constitution and yet.

>>14864832
>As shown by the phillipines, even enemies can work together, as long as the US gets out of the way.
Philippine is so interesting right now. The West sees Duterte just as a mad and violent men, but his policy might really improve the situation.

>>14864896
>Country B wouldn't fuck with Country A because Country A has nukes.
Country B has probably allies with nukes that will respond in kind.

>>14864966
>Like the Nanjing controversy and Japan pulling out of UNESCO? Or like China invasion of Japanese sea? Or North Korea firing missiles in Japanese sea?
Yep, all of these are because of US presence in the region, they need to saber-rattle.
>Country B has probably allies with nukes that will respond in kind.
And so does Country A, except the Country B's allies wouldn't be risking a fucking nuclear war over Country B's chimping out.

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Anyone voting for Trump is a fucking retard because Trump is a fucking retard. Hillary's a slimy politician but at least she knows how to tie her own shoelaces.

>>14864963
My method has prevented WW3 times and times again, while you have no fucking method at all and solve no fucking thing.

You are just guilt tripping people about how dare they nuke foreign invaders.

>>14864973
Please explain how Hillary is better for the world.

>>14864973
Trump isn't a retard at all, he knows how to influence people.

Hillary isn't a politician, she's just a puppet owned by the globalists and is pumped full of drugs.

>>14864979
Trump isn't a retard, but the people voting for him are. Hillary isn't better, objectively speaking.

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>>14864979
>and is pumped full of drugs.

>>14864986
Not really, the smartest and most aware people are voting for Trump.

You have fucking Pat Buchanan on his side.

>>14864990
>Not really, the smartest and most aware people are voting for Trump.
I've seen plenty of videos proving otherwise.

>>14864993
You might think these people are dumb, but they really aren't.

>>14864999
Okay. I don't know if they are dumb, but the things they say goes contrary to the factual realities of the world.

>>14865003
Such as?

>>14864966
>but his policy might really improve the situation.
Cracking down on drugs is one thing and if this is what these niggers want, fair enough, but vigilante justice is another. This is what third world countries in Africa do. It's irresponsible and dangerous, and might de-stabilise the country and lead to civil war.

>>14864977

She's not a stupid moron who can't let someone finish talking without interrupting them? Look at that mongoloid in those fucking debates, he's like a fucking toddler- he contradicts and complains and repeats himself endlessly, can't stick to his own points, every time someone points out something stupid he did he goes "nooo noo" like he's been caught stealing cookies from the cookie jar. He paces around the stages completely agitated in the second one, he can't fucking compose himself and his diatribes are littered with personal language and attacks, and then he ignored the good-natured atmosphere of the charity dinner to take nasty, mean-spirited potshots and ruin the mood.

You can tell a lot about a person by the way they handle an argument and he cannot fucking handle an argument at all. Shit, I wouldn't let him handle my fucking groceries.

The fact that you people see this idiot and think he can carry your hopes and dreams just makes me shake my head. Is America truly such a shithole that you this this total dipstick can save you?

It's embarrassing. Utterly embarrassing. If he wins you're going to be kicking yourselves this time next year that you let him into power. I feel so fucking bad for you, holy shit.

>>14865010
Election is rigged.

>>14865012
No, a CIA coup is more likely to destabilize countries and lead to civil war than vigilante justice.

>>14865012
>but vigilante justice is another.
I think me and >>14864832 were talking about how he said he would stop doing joint military exercise with USA.

>>14865018
Except that is fucking true, and it's proven when Berdie Birdman got his ass handed by Clinton.

>>14865019
Of course, but it's irresponsible regardless. Singapore is hard on drugs, and I don't see them resorting to vigilante justice. This is literally what niggers do.

When your president doesn't even respect the law of his own country, things will go sour real fast and quick.

>>14865016
Yeah, because Hillary got cucked by Trump, that means she's better for the world.

Fuck your weak ass moron.

>>14865016
>She's not a stupid moron
I didn't even mention Trump, but there are many reasons why you wouldn't want Clinton in the white house.

>>14865025
Phillipines is not a country like Singapore, it's still rural and brutal, like Thailand.
>When your president doesn't even respect the law of his own country, things will go sour real fast and quick.
Not really, it will only go sour when the US is pissed.

Vigilante justice is fucking nothing and should in fact be encouraged.

>>14865029

Please, continue to place your faith in the meatheaded yes-man, he'll totally solve all your problems.

>>14865023
Except it's not no matter how many times you repeat it. Voter fraud happens, but election fraud doesn't. Voter fraud alone isn't enough to tip the election one way or another.

Bernie lost because of lack of exposure, not because the election was rigged. Furthermore, we're talking about the democratic primaries. The DNC can choose to rig the elections, because as afaik, it's a private organisation, which is different from the general elections.

>>14865039
He will indeed solve more problems, while we, supporters of him, will solve even more.

>>14865041
I'm done with this shit.

If the votes are fakes, then the election is fake.

You ShillHills really deserve the rope.

>>14865034
>it's still rural and brutal
Even more reasons why you shouldn't fan the flames.

>Vigilante justice is fucking nothing
You don't live in a third world nigger country. It's dangerous for everyone involved so don't trivialise it. People will start killing each other regardless of whether they used drugs or not. Your neighbour hates your guts? He will fucking gut you if the president gives him the authorisation.

Like I said, if Duerte wants to be hard on drugs, he should reply on his own police force. What he's doing is very dangerous for everyone in the Philippines.

>>14865055
I actually live in fucking Vietnam, and if vigilante justice happens right now, I would fucking cheer.

And not really, they wouldn't start killing all people, the fucking people actually know who to kill.

>>14865051
>You ShillHills really deserve the rope.
You're a trumptard. I don't like Hillary either, but your candidate isn't any better.

>If the votes are fakes, then the election is fake.
It's the people doing it. Voter fraud happens in all elections, and they're nowhere near enough to tip the election one way or the other. Even without voter fraud, Trump will still lose regardless.

>>14865041
Bernie lost because he was trying to leech off the Dems assets to pursue his utterly insane free college agenda.

I would love a world where we can respec tradesmen and other laborers to something more high tech, but I can't see it being viable without also spiking the cost of living for everyone.

>>14865065
My candidate hasn't done jackshit but promising to stop illegal immigration, pull our troops back, be pro-gun, and be friendly with Russia.

Yes, that means he's already leagues better than Shillary.

>>14865058
>the fucking people actually know who to kill.
You expect ching chong and nguyen to know who to kill? What if someone really hates you? You think he won't plant drugs in your house and use it as a reason to kill you? You're too trusting of the human race.

>>14865072
Bernie lost because some of the democrats are so retarded they decide votes by coin toss.

And they call rednecks dumb.

>>14865077
>be Russia's fuccboi

How much did the FSB pay you to spread propaganda, Boris?

>>14865079
Yep, in fact, I have plenty of trust in them.

I just hate leftists and communists, and most of them just live in the city.

>>14865077
>promising to stop illegal immigration
>Trump in 2013: We must 'leave borders behind' because future of US 'depends on a cohesive global economy'
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-2013-borders-global-economy-2016-10

The delusion is real.

>>14865084
I do it for free.

DOWN WITH THE GLOBALIST PIG DOG

>>14865086
>Yep, in fact, I have plenty of trust in them.
Then you're a gullible idiot.

>>14865088
Trump 2016: Let's build a wall.

Funny how people changes.

Heck, I was anti-Russia last year too.

>>14865091
Christ I know the ruble is jank but for free you say?

At least ask for some soviet surplus to sweeten the deal, Arkady.

>>14865098
>"I like being unpredictable." - D. Trump

>>14865098

Funny that.

>>14865098
Trump just "evolved" his position, kek.

Here's the truth, Trump never had any position to begin with. He's a businessman, and businessmen don't really care about politics unless it involves money.

I think trumptards are just as delusional as hillary shills. They're both awful candidates if you ask me.

>>14865108
Euphemism for lack of coherence?

>>14865114
Some of us like Trump only because we want to see it all burn. Shit has gone nuts in the world and and now we need to burn it all down.

>>14865118
>Shit has gone nuts in the world
This is what people who are new to this world actually say. You read history books and you romanticise a time period.

Fact: the world has always been shit, and the actual truth is; it's improving.

>>14865118
And it will never get to the level you're expecting, because humans are inherently shit.

Unless you get rid of yourself, the world cannot be in a better place.

>>14865118
Great, now trainwreckfags are into politics.

IT NEVER ENDS.

ELECTION SEASON IS NOT GEASS SUNDAY GOD DAMMIT.

Speaking personally I don't like immigrants or muslims but I'm anti-gun and I fear Russia and China more than I fear immigrants.

But putting politics aside I don't see any evidence on why I should trust Trump in being able to deliver on anything he says. His record is as a businessman, not a politician, and I don't understand how that's supposed to give him an edge in negotiating policies, especially his vague and far-reaching ones. To me, Trump sounds like a businessman but not in a good way. He feels like a dodgy used-car salesman, everything he's offering seems too good to be true.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and all that.

>>14865097
If he's the same Vietnamese idiot in a previous thread who said that Warlordism is a GOOD thing, then yes, he's a gullible idiot.

(illegal immigration rates are actually pretty low)

>>14865149
>Warlordism is a GOOD thing
Did he actually say that? God he's such a dumbass.

Be prepared to get your family murdered in front of you because you support another warlord.

But he's Vietnamese. I've been there, and they don't even have basic hygiene, I don't expect them to have basic civility.

>>14865162
Tell that to the Trumptards.

The number one threat to their existence is diabetes and high cholesterol, not Pablo.

>>14865140
Nah, Haven't even seen Geass to be honest. Has anyone here seen how college campuses are so infested with leftist policies and how these new damned muh feelings rules are now infesting society instead of trying to fix the infrastructure and create proper jobs. I just want the leftist shit gone, and if it involves like letting pine trees regrow by torching the forest, than that is what is needed.

I am more concerned about how this will cause more of the policies Europe is going through with the whole refugee BS to be implemented in the USA.

>>14865170

Yes but leftists don't get employed in this economy so it's not much of a big deal.

>>14865170
>are so infested with leftist policies
Safespaces and sjws be damned, but right policies aren't any better.

I wished people were more independent and looked at the issues respectively instead of spouting out soundbites and memes.

>>14862904
That's pretty funny to bring that to a sports event. I should bring something to tv wrasslin at some point.

>>14865184
Their policies affect everyone though, they cause the bar to be lowered to match some stupid standard. Hillary's supporters are heavily pushing stupid policies such as common core and the like, and she may implement those stupid policies which will drag others down and reduce performance of the capable as it will oversaturate the system with failures who drag down the capable people because of the standard being lowered. To them it's equality in defeat rather than competition in victory.

That is a bigger concern because this means less capable fighters if we were to go to war because of reduced military standards.

>>14865200

You can lower standards but if they can't do the job employers require, then they won't be employed. You can only blame the system so much before even the most ardent panel of feminists will throw up their hands. What matters are results in business, especially, as I pointed out, in this economy.

>>14865200
>they cause the bar to be lowered to match some stupid standard
But the same could be said when the right tries to introduce creationism in schools.

Pot calling the kettle black. Bullshit should be called out regardless of where it comes from, and no, it doesn't come solely from the left camp.

>>14865196
Well at this point the pendulum is going to swing back HARD as many normal people are getting sick of the SJW nonsense. Most of these SJWs are nothing more than egotistical hypocrites, and that is what sickens me most. They are willing to throw society down the toilet to stroke their own egos

>>14865211
>They are willing to throw society down the toilet to stroke their own egos
What SJWs are doing is terrible, but we shouldn't forget that the right has been doing this as well with their religious bs.

>>14864253
>If you're not in the US you don't want Trump. He's going to abandon you to Russia, he's even stated as much.

No, he didn't.

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>>14864979
She pays taxes and her hair is real.

>>14865200
You mean the Bernouts we had to take responsibility for.

Look we get it, Bernouts are our equivalent of Fundamentalist rightwingers, but we can get that shit sorted out at the Congressional level.

Just remember to funnel taxpayer dollars into unisex bathrooms.

>>14865211

That's what happens when you take ideology too far regardless of the direction.

This world doesn't seem to have any room for compromise but compromise is really what's needed.

>>14865211
Also, remember when Trump refused to attend a debate because of a woman? Like I said, pot calling kettle black.

Both tumblr and /pol/ are echo chambers.

>>14865162
(millions is a small number)

>>14865232
Trump refused to attend a debate moderated by a talking head who was openly biased against him.

And he raised a large sum of money for veterans instead.

>>14865238
>Trump refused to attend a debate moderated by a talking head who was openly biased against him.
That's why you go in and make your case, you don't chicken out. I'm sorry, but you can't spin this as a moment of "strength".

>>14865238
That he then spent on a picture of himself.

>>14865162
I wonder how USA would handle Greek or Italian migrant crisis. Do you think they would call the Navy and shoot at the boats?

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>>14865238
>And he raised a large sum of money for veterans instead.

I bet the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth used that money to pay for their investigations.

>>14865227
>yfw the tax deduction in question was put into law by the Clintons

>>14865241
>>14865247
If you actually go outside of a liberal echo chamber you would know that the money did in fact go to veterans.

Unlike the Clinton Foundation and Haiti.

>>14863341
Well a colony for a tombstone would be kind of cool even if you share it with millions

>>14865232

>>14865238 is correct, many news stations are too biased towards Hillary rather than being impartial and reporting facts. There are countless charges against Hillary in the leaks from Podesta and the many laws she broke, but the moment stuff about Trump pops up; because of MUH feelings, like with the accusers coming out just weeks before the election, they all dogpile on him.

>>14865260
>many news stations are too biased towards Hillary
Bias isn't a reason to chicken out. There will always be bias against whatever views you're presenting, if they're not aligned with what the public or the media currently thinks.

This is why you go out and make your case in an attempt to sway them. There are many things Trump is right on, especially with his views on Russia, but this wasn't it.

>>14865248
Yeah, and the banking crisis that tanked the global ecomomy has its origin in a bill Clinton put into law, we know.

>>14865260

They dogpile on Trump because Trump trained them to do that. He manipulated the media to give him publicity all throughout his presidential bid, it's how he's been able to permeate every inch of the election. The media knew he was a good story so they covered him all the damn time and made the election about him.

That worked until he had to get in actual debates made him look like a mouth-breathing idiot and then suddenly he realized too late that the media are a double-edged sword that could make him look just as retarded as they could make him look entertaining.

Fucker dug his own grave, frankly.

>>14865240
Actually I can, as the results speak for themselves.

>>14865260
>like with the accusers coming out just weeks before the election
They came out because of the tapes and Trump saying he didn't sexually harass women.

>they all dogpile on him
Honestly they're just confirming who Trump is.

Of course you're free to deny them, but then you'll just be in denial. I personally don't care, because whether he's a sexual predator won't affect how he runs the country.

>>14865265
A non sequitur.

>>14865274
>Actually I can, as the results speak for themselves.
argumentum ad populum strikes again. Fanboys will spin anything in their favour. This is what /m/ does often. It's called brainwashing and delusion.

If any other candidate did this, he would be mocked and shamed, but Trump undeniably has fanboys who can do no wrong. (See Tomino, even when releases shit like g reco, people will still defend him)

>>14865276
They came out because its a coordinated attempt at an October surprise, the problem is that all of the women's stories fall apart under examination and it has had little effect on polls.

>>14865277
>>14865265 is right on this, Bill repealed part of the Glass-Steagal law which allowed the predatory lending which lead to the housing crisis.

>>14865279
The irony is you are doing what you are projecting upon Trump supporters.

It also shows a lack of historical knowledge on your part.

Let's just not forget that /m/ turned g reco, a work that tomino thought was shit himself into an unsung masterpiece. You think people don't do that shit for Trump? When he acts like as pussy, his fanboys think he's being a lion.

>>14865279
How many memes can you fit into a single post? Did you forget to throw in A/Z and Valvrave?

>>14865279

Hey fuck you pal, I hate Trump but I love G-Reco, don't compare me to those assclowns!

>>14865283
Now if only there wasn't a tape where Trump said the magic words "grab 'em by the pussy."

Shame about that, really. Now we can't really know for sure if the victims are full of shit or if they're being gaslit. I mean shit I don't recall Cosby ever having a Grab 'Em moment to cast suspicion on him.

>>14865286
>you're just projecting!!
nice argument

>It also shows a lack of historical knowledge
what does history have to do with this? i'm not following you

>>14865284
Yes, but the tax deduction that Trump is allowed per his 1995 tax return is something Clinton kept in the tax code in the early 90's.

>>14864863
Mmh, yes, all of us are shills. We get paid in shekels while you MAGA for free. Look how stupid you are!

>>14865283
>>14865293
It seems that some of these allegations might be true. You shouldn't be quick to dismiss them just because you're a fanboy.

Why would they come out in October you ask? Well it's fucking obvious. That's when the tapes and his remarks during the debate about him not sexually harassing women were out.

Why would I believe Mr Trump in that case? He often does what he says, why should this be any different, and why should we be surprised if he did?

>>14865301
This.

Only a fool does it for free.

>>14865301
Yeah, very few shekels at that. She even calls you CtRonies nerd virgins in her E-Mails.

>>14865293
>Now if only there wasn't a tape where Trump said the magic words "grab 'em by the pussy."

You mean where he said "let him grab 'em by the pussy", which is something completely different than a claim of sexual assault that falls apart upon examination.

>>14865310
>It seems that some of these allegations might be true.

If you actually thought so you would be able to say which ones.

All these arguments just from one guy holding up a sign, bravo, sieg zeon

>>14865310
I'm no trumpfag.

But for the sake of fairness I extend to him the same skepticism I extended to Bill Cosby when he got thrown under the bus with his own rape allegations.

The difference is that Trump is literally on record with his Grab 'Em comment, and that does him zero favors before the allegations even roll in. So he gets shit from me for neglecting that walls have ears and saying something that makes him come off as an out of touch retard who gives some credibility to the harassment accusations.

That's my neutral view on the matter. Trump should learn that sometimes you shut the fuck up and don't say anything.

>>14865322
If it was only one woman, fair enough, but we're dealing with many women here, and they all have specific claims about what Trump did. I didn't think the tapes were a big deal, but if they actually happened, then it's a whole another deal.

But in my opinion, that's not the most interesting question.

What would you do if the allegations turned out to be 100% real?

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Hillary
>let benghazi happen
>funded ISIS along with the Saudis to destabilize Syria and provoke another war
>voted to bomb Libya together with France and turn it into another terrorism infected shithole
>wants to put heavier economical sanctions on Russia in order to provoke a proxy war in Syria
>is for further government control in the US

Trump
>said mean things on twitter and talk shows
>has no idea how politics work
>not that great a businessman
>promises shit that will never be able to uphold like "deporting" all the illegal mexicans

You're fucked either way.

>>14865338
That's what I meant to say.

There's nothing good that will come out of this elections, but trump and shill fanboys accuse me of being one or the other.

I expected better and more rational judgement from /m/, but all I got was angry tomino and anno fanboys at each other's throat.

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This thread is awful. No IRL politics on /m/. Why is this so hard to get? Some people here aren't even american. Why you fucking liberal goons, and alt-right shit heads so desperate to shove your politics down the throat of board meant for gunpla, and mecha discussion?

Forget it. WITNESS ME BROTHERS! I GO TO VALHALLA!

>>14865358
>No IRL politics on /m/
I just wanted to know what /m/ really thought of the elections, and if they had any more insight than /pol/ or tumblr. Apparently not, and I'm disappointed.

This is why you should watch more shows like Dougram and LOGH instead of the black and white politics demonstrated in Gundam.

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>>14865287
Stay mad.

>>14865364
>I just wanted to know what /m/ really thought of

Why is it every time /m/ is derailed with politics, someone is using that excuse?

>Golly gee, /m/ is derailed with SA communists arguing with /pol/ Nazis? How did this happen? I just wanted to get /m/'s opinion on this totally off topic political firestorm, guaranteed to create shit posts! How was I to know politics discussion on a fucking mecha board wouldn't go well? Tee hee!

>>14865381
I just thought /m/ would be more rational when it comes to politics. All I got was denial, delusion and fanboyism. Both candidates are terrible and the sooner you realise that, the better.

I knew there were insane amounts of reddit and facebook crossover with /m/, but I didn't know it was this fucking bad

>>14865394
Taking the middle road "le both are le bad" is an absolutely stupid thing to do, and the only people I see doing it are teenagers in youtube comments and foreigners with no idea what they're talking about. Realising that "both are terrible" does not make you enlightened, it makes you a fence-sitting fuck with no backbone to make your own choices.

>>14865287
Is this a find the retard game again?

>>14865400
No one should be forced into voting for anyone who doesn't represent them. That's what making your own choice is all about.

>>14863175
It won't stop and will infact only get worse, it also doesn't matter if trump wins or not, winning they would try to rub it in the face of every board and if losing they will go on every baord to scream about how it was rigged, there is literally no winning and the same shit will happen if hillary wins or lose, we are indeed fucked

>>14865400
>YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THEM!
>How about we campaign to change a shitty system that makes it easier for the elite to swap heads every 4 years and always lead?
>N-No you have to pick your poison!
According to the data we have now Hillary is a puppet of the powers that be and Trump has NEVER held a position of responsability, he could bankrupt his enterprises and call it quits whenever he wanted, and even get tax breaks thanks to shitty laws enabled by Mr. Clinton.
So no there isn't a "good" option, voting Clinton means going with the hawkish wing of the last 8 years president(never esitated going to war in foreign policy etc.etc.) while voting for Trump means a jump in the dark and seeing on how much congress and senate matter it won't even mean he'll be able to do what he wants.

>>14865400
This is the equivalent of you asking me which is better, Zeta or ZZ? To which I reply; they're both terrible.

>>14865284
>>14865265
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/upshot/what-is-glass-steagall-the-82-year-old-banking-law-that-stirred-the-debate.html

>>14865338
>not that great a businessman
>worth billions

b-b-buh his couple bankruptcies out of hundreds of businesses

>>14865358
BEN FISCHBEIN

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>this thread

>>14863363
Oh cool, will my computer come alive and ask me to do naughty things to it's plastic flesh? As long as I don't have to put anything in my ab-gina I'm good.

>>14865338
>Not a good businessman
Where do these perceptions come from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu4fKzJPQqk

>>14865506
>has a company with no taxable income

Anon...

>>14865536
He lost almost a billion when the market crashed in the early 90's; he frequently talks about how this was the roughest point in his career. He wrote off the loss against future tax returns

This is something literally everybody does. George Soros, Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerberg (all jewish btw) everybody does this. It's a well known tax instrument.

In fact if you DON'T do this, you can be charged with negligence and removed as CEO or president. You are actually contractually obligated to find every single tax loophole you can to ensure the best outcome for your company.

People criticize Trump because he's not willing to throw money down the drain, for example on manufacturing his ties in the US. Well, his entire point is that the US policies make it unviable to profitably manufacture in the US, so of course he's going to follow the market and manufacture overseas. The fact that he runs a profitable organization doesn't make him a monster.

>>14865550
>all jewish btw
you can go back to /pol/

>>14865554
How about you address the rest of what I said

>>14865557
no i won't because you already ousted yourself as a /pol/ memester

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>>14865562
/pol/ is the path of light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_LwfcjtFUU

>>14865550
That return was for the mid 90's though.

>>14865573
Exactly. You're allowed to write the loss off against future tax returns

That's why the New York Times reported that he doesn't pay taxes. The documents they released were all from the mid 90's

>>14865550
In order for that income to not be taxable for 18 years then that would mean that he isn't earning more than the deductible amount for 18 years.

>>14865579
Who says he hasn't paid taxes for the past 18 years? There's no evidence of that

Everything the New York Times released was from the late 90's

>>14865565
Then why don't you go back there you sand nigger?

>>14865578
I don't think it's working the way you think it does.

>>14865587
I should probably mention that The New York Times (sometimes called The Jew York Times) has an absolute atavistic hatred for Trump and any sort of nationalism whatsoever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMiRZ3L_hMU

>>14864832
>Abe and the ring-wing is totally fine with nukes, and is in fact re-militarizing

The problem is a lot of the citizenry don't want that and it's why every time changing article 9 is brought up there's protesting. As much as the Japanese complain about US military presence there (and there's a lot more legitimacy to that complaining in Okinawa), the reality is they'd rather have US troops die for their safety than their own.

>>14864846
>Remind them of the Akihabara massacre and how it doesn't take a gun for someone to go postal.

That is not the same thing, the Japanese are culturally taught to be passive and not defend oneself, it only takes one lone wolf there to create a massacre with just a knife. You never see 20 people say "he can't stop all of us" to jump him.

>>14865582
Experts say that it's enough for him to carry over for 18 years, hell he only made around 3.5 million during that year. Trump himself admitted to not paying taxes and there are several ways to do that, the easiest way is to make all your losses out weigh your gains and wealth.

However, having a billion dollars worth of losses is still really bad and not at all a sign of a good, and honest business man. Besides that most of the businesses that he actually runs do eventually go belly up.

>>14864846
In Japan the good Samaritan doesn't exist. You could literally get in trouble for defending yourself.

>>14865619
>>14865602
>Muh self defense

That's not the issue, the issue is that the incident even happened in the first place.

>>14865602
>That is not the same thing, the Japanese are culturally taught to be passive and not defend oneself, it only takes one lone wolf there to create a massacre with just a knife.

Makes you wonder why no civilian ever managed to end one of the two or three annual mass shootings in the US with his privately held gun, doesn't it?

>>14865639
Just like in America we have crazies shooting up schools with legally obtained fire arms, there are dumbasses everywhere. Saying that everyone should have guns doesn't solve the problem of the violent nature of humans.

>>14865550
>company was wiped out, only surives because the state allows it to enjoy benefits for free

Gee, you're saying he's been a... yuuge wellfare queen for over two decades?

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>>14862904

>>14865582
>>14865611

Depreciation deductions on real estate can apply up to 20ish years later, all depending on the property type. If he has net operating losses from the late 1990s, he could still potentially be using it to offset today’s income and pay no tax. Other legitimate tax credits (like investing in renewable energy) could be applied. Also, if the value on the deducted assets has gone up, he would not pay any taxes on it until he sells it. As much as the signs point to him not paying the taxes, the proof is still missing.

>>14865649
What?

>>14865200
>That is a bigger concern because this means less capable fighters if we were to go to war because of reduced military standards.
Eh we got plenty more people to throw into that grinder.

>>14865662
He outright admitted to not paying taxes in his first debate.

>>14865662
We do know that he did use Trump University and Trump Foundation to hide and pocket money, he just wrote them both off as charitable ventures and made them into deductibles.

>>14865682
>>14865689
Yep. I just like to stay objective to limit shitstorms.

>>14865364

LOGH is the best argument against democracy I've seen in an anime though.

>>14865400
It doesn't mean you should stay neutral, it means you should find a group that actually suits your interests.

>>14865550
>People criticize Trump because he's not willing to throw money down the drain, for example on manufacturing his ties in the US. Well, his entire point is that the US policies make it unviable to profitably manufacture in the US, so of course he's going to follow the market and manufacture overseas. The fact that he runs a profitable organization doesn't make him a monster.

That's the thing though, the people don't care what is best for the company. To them that job is their whole life and now all those people are out of a job.

You can't just keep doing that, eventually people will get pissed off enough that they'll turn to violence.

>>14865649

Except it has happened, there are cases of some other guy just blowing the shooter's brains out. It's not common but it's more of a "right place in the right time" thing.

I think sometimes people need to remember that the world is not getting worse. Compared to how things were 70 years ago, the human race is in a lot better shape now overall.

But it's a lot easier to say things are bad when mass communication means you actually know when bad things happen. I mean when my dad was a teenager (beginning of the 60s), there was a stabbing at his high school's football game. Did anyone outside of his town know about it? Not really, word can't travel too far in rural Oklahoma. But nowadays? Anyone who cared to check would know.

>>14865654
And that's why I said it's not punishment of gun owners that'll fix it, but identifying crazies.

>>14865740
There's also no real excuse for Trump not paying his contractors. That's not being a smart businessman that's just being duplicitous.

>>14865785

The problem is that sadly, our elected officials don't care about the mentally ill because they don't vote. This is in spite of the fact that 100% of gun massacres occur by people with mental illness. If you disagree with that statement, be prepared to make the case that there are some rational, cool-headed people who, after thinking clearly and weighing the pros and cons, decide to commit mass killings. There aren't. Rather than focusing our efforts on demonizing society, guns, gender or family, we should focus our efforts on getting people with mental illness the help they need. The fact that there's stigma associated with receiving mental health care is a problem. If you know someone in need, reach out and try to get them help. Trying to rationalize an irrational act is futile. Rational people don't go on shooting rampages.

Our ignoring of mental health in this country is honestly something that I think will come to reflect badly on us in the future. We need more mental hospitals, in the 1960s do you know how many Americans we had institutionalized? Half a million. Today? 25,000. Because at some point people thought the mentally ill were just "eccentric" and that it was wrong to lock them up. Well I'm sorry but modern mental hospitals aren't the bedlam house, they're not prisons for the insane they're places to help them.

>>14865785
Easier said than done, considering that legal gun owners are the ones responsible for gun violence if only because they live with children or someone whose mentally retarded. No matter what you simply have to tighten the law to prevent certain people from getting guns, and even then there's no reason why civilian should have an ak-47 and a large stock of bullets.

>>14865875

Not that I'm 100% rah-rah pro gun (personally I just think that prohibition as a policy doesn't work), but you have to take into account that in over 1/3 of all gun violence cases, the victim was also the shooter, aka suicide.

>>14865876
I'm not saying that you're wrong, America does have mental health, I'm just saying that no matter how much progress America takes in finally acknowledging and taking care of the mentally ill if we want to stop gun violence we're still going to have to make sure that a gun doesn't reach their hands to begin with, even as just a preventative step.

>>14865912
I've said it before, but guns certainly need to be ID tagged, operating only in the hands of those with the properly sanctioned nanomechanical bodily enhancements.

>>14865875
Some people collect.

Some people are range warriors.

Not all gun ownership is about hunting and killing.

Plus to me the idea of doing stuff like restricting ammo capacity comes with it some implicit agreement that shooting people is ok when it's 10 rounds of .22lr per mag or something noguns-sounding. We should have an understanding that shooting people is not some sort of laughing matter, that gun owners should be held to a high responsibility because they deal in tools that, handled stupidly, can end lives.

Gun possession should not be equated to being a crazy psycho hoping to gun up bystanders. You'd think the lobbying groups would recognize this, and work towards making sure people possessing guns are not some sort of liability to their community.

Admittedly for all my desires of an ideal world it would take a hardcore crackdown to first purge criminal groups of their firearms, as well as plug up their gun acquisition channels. The biggest barrier to gun rights respect is that those intending to break the law will not care to follow legal gun acquisition and licensing policies.

>>14865939

as cool as a world of ID TAGGED SOLDIERS CARRY ID TAGGED WEAPONS is, I don't know how we'd do it.

>>14865983
nanomachines son