Shin Godzilla

Please let pacific rim2 And ledgend zilla 2 meet in hell and have a crossover

>>14859698
>Godzilla/PR crossover.
>PR Earth becomes linked to Godzilla's Earth.
>PR Earth creates Mechagodzilla and sends it to kill Godzilla.
>The Precursors become aware of a Breach between two Earths and sends a new King of the Kaiju to conquer both.
>It's King Ghidorah.
>Climax of the film is after Godzilla and Mechagodzilla fight, they team up to fight King Ghidorah.
>KG flies away before getting killed.
>PR crew decide that Godzilla isn't a "Kaiju" and end their assault.
>This sets up a Destroy All Monsters style film.

>>14859691
They just announced that the writers from Krampus are working on the script for G2.

>>14859781
Turned out to be a false article

>>14859691
>In other news Legendary Godzilla 2 is in director hell
You don't think the new ones will stick around?

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>>14859772
That could be fun, but I'm think more along the lines of:
>Precursors get BTFO, survivors flee from their home with metaphorical tail between their legs.
>They rebuild over time, all while a festering grudge against PR!Earth builds.
>They eventually kidnap Godzilla from Legendary!Earth and drop him in PR!Earth as revenge.
>Godzilla throws down a bit with the Jaegers, before he somehow communicates that he's not the real enemy.
>Maybe he SKREEONKs so hard he tears through space, showing those shitty little niggers sitting behind a desk with their pants down.
>Godzilla and Gypsy Danger or whoever then team up to fight the Precursors new secret weapon, Grand Primordial Mecha-Slattern.
>They win, both sides head their separate ways, but not before some Army schmuck snags some Godzilla DNA, with less than benevolent intentions.
r8 m8s.

>>14859789
I said it shortly after the initial release and i'll say it again.

The movie disappointing at the Box Office, pretty much flatlined after the initial, surprisingly BIG opening - no 'but's' about it.

They were all over a sequel after the initial Opening weekend, and fans ate it all up as gospel, without thinking for themselves. They were up or a sequel but the final gross has greatly tempered their enthusiasm.
This entire 'Director Hell' bullshit and other forms of stalling are their way of subtly backing out of these promises.
At this point, they are probably waiting to see how Kong does before making a move.
If Skull Island does well, a Director will 'miraculously' pop out of the woodwork and Godzilla 2 will move into production, if Skull Islands disappoints...

Well, expect a PR speak memo saying that they 'we really wanted to make a sequel, but we waited too long and the magic is gone'.

>>14859824
>If Skull Island does well, a Director will 'miraculously' pop out of the woodwork and Godzilla 2 will move into production, if Skull Islands disappoints...
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>Well, expect a PR speak memo saying that they 'we really wanted to make a sequel, but we waited too long and the magic is gone'.

After seeing Shin Godzilla, I don't really mind if the sequel for the 2014 one was never made; more money for Toho I guess.

>>14859850
What kills a lot of hype for Legendary's Godzilla series is that it will likely be "Grounded", meaning that there wont be anything surprising to come out of it.

Here hoping Toho decides to play smart and gets back into making films once every 2/3 years.

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ULTRAAAAAAAAAAAA COMBOOOOO!!

>>14859865
>Here hoping Toho decides to play smart and gets back into making films once every 2/3 years.

To me, Toho killed Godzilla by scheduling G movies that from 2000 - 2010. Pretty much how Disney is killing Star Wars with a similar release schedule.

Is there a complete cast list available somewhere?

>>14859774
It's just a parody of SEALDs, the "Gojira wo mamore" is a parody of their "kenpou wo mamore" ("protect the constitution").

They're a bunch of ignorant retarded college kids used by the communist party to protest retarded shit.

>>14859947
Friendly reminder that this is exactly what they did in the sixties.

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Where's the camrip, friends?

Where do I find doujinshi of the laptop girl?

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>>14860028
Camrip Anon was kill.

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>>14860186
I loved it how it realized it was overheating.

>>14860190
>Nice! I can walk!
>But now I am extremely hot. I might die.
>Back to the ocean!
>Hopefully I'll look cool when I come back.

>>14859824
Please no.
I want to see the Shin and Legendary producing series.

>>14859824
This 100%. Legendary fans like to boast about G14 doing extremely well financially. But once accounting for production and marketing costs, then dividing profits with theaters, it's nothing to brag about. It opened big in every market and quickly dropped down the charts. You could argue it was stiff competition, though G14 had one of the larger domestic openings of the year yet grossed considerably less than films with less impressive opening weekends. The success of Skull Island will decide if the cinematic universe will continue.

Sony's Godzilla 2 had a similar development cycle. Sony executives talked a big game, director dropped out, Toho released a film in the gap, and the film kept getting pushed back until the rights expired.

>>14860186
nice

Anyone got the pic where edwards is asking if people still remember him, and the panel bellow has Anno smugly replying "Nope!" ?

Rumors are floating around (have they been debunked?) that Michael Dougherty will be directing Godzilla 2.

>>14860289
He's been confirmed as a writer, iirc.
He'd be a great director though. The dude knows his stuff.

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>>14860200
Oh shit, that's why he was looking over his shoulder.
Three times I've seen this movie. I didn't pick that up. I am stupid.

>going to the final showing tomorrow night

I'm more of a fan of Anno that Goji ( though I still love the Goji). Is the Anno style in this film?

>>14860333
Yes, lots of closeups, mechanical stuff and unconventional angles.

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>>14859691
Kaiju discord general link: https://discord.gg/tRHXA

>>14860332
The brief moments of his intellect throughout the movie are neat. Him looking up at the jets when they actually managed to injure him, and later automatically aiming for the drones when they arrived.

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>>14860321
Umberto Gonazlez (a reporter from The Wrap) says that a director hasn't been selected and any information saying otherwise isn't true. Guess that's that

>>14860333
>Is the Anno style in this film?
Oh, is it ever.

>>14860344
stop shilling

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>>14860361
No

>>14860344
nope, too scared

>>14860384
its chill as hell

>>14860396
nope, you're all judging me right now, I can feel it

>>14860400
Take a shower you hedorah looking fuck

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>>14860412
SEE, I KNEW IT WAS COMING!

Are people really deciding that ShinG is bad just because of some oddities in the actual design?
I know this happens, but usually not nearly as much.

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Which one?

>>14860425
Neither
I pick best boy Yaguchi.

>>14860425
Tea Lady.

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>>14860429
Good answer.

>>14860433
Not a good answer.

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>We've managed to shrink down Godzilla and are proud to say we've now adopted him as a pet

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>>14860425
This one

If you think Goji's meltdown is sad, just consider how many people get crushed under his falling bones,

>>14860443
Doesn't he turn into dust? And said dust brings Jr back to life?
>>14860441
But what nationality is he? American or Japanese?

The English script through the film was kind of shit to start with, and then read by Z-grade actors. Makes me wonder if thats what films like the Last Samurai with all their GRORIOUS BUSHIDO type writing sound like to the Japanese.

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>>14860450
>And you're raising that bet, I see.

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>>14860429
Even if he doesn't change his shirt?

>>14860449
From what I saw he melts, I didn't see his bones disintegrate, I saw his skin fall away but I don't think his bones became dust, as I saw his skeleton while he fully melted away

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>>14860467
But he changed it
And Godzilla too

>>14860483
>THICK THIGHS SAVE LIVES MOTHER FUCKERS

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>>14860483
POETRY

>>14860450
The Funi translation, or the english spoken lines?

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>>14860449
Forgot to add, the radioactivity of the meltdown is what causes Junior to come back and begin to eventually molt his skin and become the new Godzilla, not the ashes

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>>14860483
>Godzilla is generally more cleanly than Yaguchi due to his numerous baths in the ocean

hearing that the G14 sequel is in limbo is depressing as i really liked the direction they were apparently going with Mothra, Rodan and Ghidorah and eventually G Vs King Kong
i hope Kong does well

>>14860569
Its not in a limbo though. Both it and Pacific Rim 2 have been greenlit last I checked.
They wouldn't be doing Kong unless Godzilla 2 was a sure thing.

>>14860569
It's not really "in limbo," they just haven't announced a director yet, and all the news stories about the Krampus guys was bullshit.

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>>14860569
G2 is greelit though, im more sad that after Vs Kong it's gonna end. Legendary Gojira is my favorite one so far.

>>14860576
Pacific Rim 2 was announced, then got caught up in development hell, then didn't get off the ground again until they found a big name actor to attach.

>>14860602
The kid from the new Star Wars right?

does anyone know where i can fond a stream of Gorath and/or Dogora? their the only part of the Kiryu Continuity i haven't seen

>>14860576
No, they seem pretty interested in doing at least two or three King Kong movies.

Having lucrative Godzilla movies and a King vs God would be icing on the cake but not necessary to their short-term King Kong plans.

>>14860483
I don't think he did. Recall that after it's brought up, we cut to him napping with a shirt still sealed inside a package. Then Shimura (was that the other guy's name, the one who was meeting with the Journalist?) barges in to tell him Godzilla showed up again, and we move right into that section of the movie. He might have changed it afterwards, but that scene seemed to make it clear he passed out before changing his shirt like people were telling him to.

>>14860186
>"Hey guys what's going on in this threa-"
>*Alarmed Skreeonking*

What if Shin Hedorah and Shin Destroyah where created from the same microorganisms that became the Shin Aggregate, but in Hedorah case they were devouring chemical waste and Destroyah was result of them eating contaminated biological waste that had been improperly disposed of.

>>14860443
0, because there wasn't anyone under him...

Those that were deserved it for being that stupid, if they didn't melt, or freeze th death first...

>>14860441
>They later died of radiation poisoning.

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>>14860584
I swear Godzilla 2 and Pacific Rim 2 are starting their filming in Qingdao, China at their new filming facilities there. Some of my wife's friends are even some of the staff that will be working there so I was hopeful that they would be able to sneak some shots for me eventually.

>>14860333

Its 100% Anno.

>>14859947
Annual Godzilla movies have been a part of the franchise through most of it's lifetime.

The big problem with the Millennium moves is they only really applied their "new directors with a fresh take" mantra to the final movie of the group.

Godzilla 2000 had much the same creative force behind it the Heise movies did.

Megaguirus had a new first time director but was not significantly out of the norm for the franchise.

GMK brought in a bigshot director but put a ton of restrictions on him.

The Kiryu films were a ton of fun, but had the same director as Megaguirus and were not really "different" from the series as a whole.

Final Wars they gave a massive budget, brought in a niche but popular director with a unique style, and gave him more freedom than anyone until Anno, but at that point the general audience didn't care and Toho overestimated how big Kitamura was internationally.

>>14861571
> GMK brought in a bigshot director but put a ton of restrictions on him.
GMK was the most successful of the Millennium films. Receiving the best reviews and grossing the most money. Toho turned to Kaneko out of desperation due to the mere modest performance of Godzilla 2000 and the failure of Godzilla X Megaguirus. GMK even earned critical praise in the West. Though starting with the very next film, Godzilla X MechaGodzilla, profits went south.

But yeah. A Toho chairman forced King Ghidorah and Mothra on Kaneko. After the disappointing response to the previous two films, Toho assumed new monsters were the cause of lackluster returns. So Varan and Anguirus were replaced. Additionally, Kaneko REALLY wanted more time to polish his film. However, Toho refused in order to keep to their release timetable.

>>14861636
>GMK was the most successful of the Millennium films
That's not really saying much. It still didn't do all that well compared to the Heisei movies. It did well enough for Toho to expand their strategy since the Millennium era was announced as three movies, but still wasn't a smash hit.

>>14859947
That brings up a good question:
How many movies is ideal per era?

>>14861661
True. But it made more than Godzilla vs Biollante and was in the same ballpark as Godzilla vs King Ghidorah.

>>14860425

Cranky no makeup lady x10000

I think Godzilla threads are starting to slow down.
It was a good run though.

now that Anno is done, bring back the BANNO

>>14862415
They'll pick back up when the Blu-Ray comes out.

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>>14862472
I stand with this Anon.

>>14860450
>Japanese actress: Sorry
>Subtitles: Please forgive my weakness

Watched it a second time today. It's the DOE that came up with the Godzilla Theory that he was a species of marine life that fed off the radiaiton and mutated. However, it was Dr Maki's origami he left behind that revealed Godzilla's true characteristics, so both origins are mentioned in the movie. It's just that some people got it mixed up.

I was also looking for more evidence that Maki gave Godzilla a conscious. Aside from from Yaguchi's comment about Dr Maki before we see Godzilla's tail open up while he's sleeping, I did notice an X on the map that was in Maki's boat. Couldn't really see where it was on, but maybe it's where he wanted to attack. Not sure why he'd bother writing it down though.

>>14862560
The theory also works since Goji was under Maki's boat when the film started. And the team never figured out why he was attacking Japan, and Maki had a vendetta against the whole country.

>>14862572
Right, of course. That's part of what they say before we see Godzilla's tail, that he straight up hated Japan. But for some fuckin reason, I can't remember exactly what Yaguchi says. Hopefully it'll come to me later, but I think it was just some vague question about Maki or Godzilla.

Decisive Battle was EXTREMELY overused.

It was cool the first time, but it was played no less than 5 times during the movie and I quickly got tired of it.

>>14862504

>Funimation

>Timely blu-ray release

Oh my sweet summer child.

>>14862676
I only remember three times?

>>14862682
Still too many, don't you think?

>>14862690
The last electric guitar one should've been another track.

>>14862680
They already conformed that its coming after the run in the theaters is over.

>>14862708
Yeah, next summer is still after the theatrical release.

>>14862725
Oh don't be such a Debby Downer. It'll be out by next month.

>>14862739
Screencapped.

>>14862690
Don't watch Evangelion, so I wasn't bothered.
Just another motif.

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Reporting back. Truly Anno-core. Fucking great.

>>14862708
Where is this said? They said on their Twitter to "stay tuned for an announcement" about the video release once the theater run is over, they didn't say it's actually coming out soon after the theater run.

Fuck the ost is like $50 on amazon. That price will go down when it's released in the us right?

>>14862676
Well, you're wrong

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>>14863149
is there not a torrent?

>>14863298
Yes. I'll gladly accept her as the first US female president.

>>14863149
That's a fucking rip off.

>>14863319
Do you think they purposefully had that mentioned as a little nod/jab/laugh at our current election? Like when the last Resident Evil movie thought it would be a timely laugh to have Wesker taking over the White House while election season was going on in the real world.

>>14863494
Nah, they'd make it more blatant if that were the case, I think. She was more of a jab at how politician's kids tend to follow in their parents footsteps in the US, I think.

Finally got to see in in theaters last night. It was really good but the CGI on babbu godzilla was really bad. Half the theater was laughing at it. That's my only real complaint though they did a great job.

Confused as to why people want Banno to do a sequel it doesn't seem like he has done anything good enough for him to be able to handle it.

>>14860584
>anguirus in legendaryverse when

>>14863647
>He is found hibernating in a cave, scientists guess he's from the same era as Godzilla.
>Anguirus wakes up, confused and angry, he goes on a rampage.
>Big-G shows up, pissed off as usual.
>Stops as soon as he sees Anguirus.
>Both seem to recognize each other.
>And then they proceed to try and murder each other.

>>14863664
>then everyone realizes they're not really being harmful with each other and it's just like two puppies playing ruff

>>14863704
Oh no, they want each other dead, Godzilla later respects the little guy because he outright attacked him instead of running away.
And then they become pals.

>>14863710
[spoilers]But I want them to be like cute puppies[/spoiler]

>>14863719
Ctrl+S

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Sorry I was phone typing

>>14863664
>Godzilla makes his usual epic entrance
>Anguirus stops wrecking the city as he sees him
>dramatic stare-off occurs
>the music swells
>the scene cuts away :^)
>when we cut back, both are in a giant bed, Godzilla's smoking a cigar with a smug face while Anguirus' expression is full of regret

Could spamming Godzilla films every year or two become a thing again?

>>14863951
Probably.

>>14863951
It'd be nice. Godzilla can be put into a lot of tones. If Skull Island doesn't bomb, I'd actually get my hopes up for another "Destroy All Monsters"

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>>14863951

I would think they've learned their lesson on franchise fatigue after 60+ years of movies, but maybe not. That's one area where having two Godzilla series going at once could actually become a problem.

The fact that 2017 is anime should mean they should have some breathing room in preparing their next live action. Also, I think between Shin and testing a new medium for the series next year shows they might be willing to experiment a bit this time around.No homo

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Just got back from seeing Shin Godzilla at the Roxie.

Holy cow that was friggin FANTASTIC.

I'm wondering what the significance of the name Maki Goro was, though. I mean, other than being almost too easily morphable into "Godzilla" (much like the Maki Goro himself actually did).

>>14863993
http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Goro_Maki

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>>14863981
>2017 is anime
Forgot about that.
Always thought that Godzilla was best as live action on the big screen, but hopefully the anime will have something going for it.

>>14863996
I thought Goro and Maki were two separate characters in '84. Been a while since I've seen it.

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>>14863981
full homo

>>14863951
2018 is the only year without a confirmed movie until 2020

>>14863993
>Just got back from seeing Shin Godzilla at the Roxie.

Hello fellow SF anon.

Different arrangement of "Who Willl Know"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVdKUJ5uHo

Chorus is much louder/clearer.

>>14864077
>not available
Who will know?

>tfw Final wars was originally going to be a sequel to Destroyah but that was scrapped to to Toho's hatred of continuity and direct sequels

>>14863298
but i want the cd :(

>>14864105
Honestly I'm ok with it not having been a Destroyah sequel. Now a Hedorah, or Biollante movie, I'm not even asking for a sequel, would be delightful. Banno did nothing wrong.

>>14864105
Why do people have such a love for Destroyah(Movie and Monster)?
Aside from Godzilla's death and Jr. it's a pretty meh movie/Monster.

>>14863981
i mean its not like Toho is run by the same people as in the 70s or even the 90s
new people will make the same mistakes as their predecessors

>>14864105
>Toho's hatred of continuity and direct sequels
but like, the various G Continuity's have like some of the biggest tie to other movies of a lot of Japanese franchises im aware of.
like the Kiryu movies tying into a bunch of Showa movies with references.
the Heisei movies were constantly referring to previous films.
so on ans so forth

>>14865380
ALmost all of the millenium films are sequels to the 1954 film that ignore every other film in the franchise I know 1954 is an iconic film bu that doesn't always mean that you need to make it your starting point. The only time there wasn't a millennium film that ignored continuity was Tokyo SOS. It would have been a nice breath of fresh air actually, every new film being a continuation of '54 that ignored all previous installments was getting really stale and confusing after a while

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>>14859824
>They were up or a sequel but the final gross has greatly tempered their enthusiasm.

Godzilla 2014 had a production budget of $160 million. Rule of thumb is to double that to include promotion, advertising, marketing, so say $320 million. The movie made $529 million worldwide. That's over $200 million dollars in profit.

So I doubt your assertions.

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I was ecstatically surprised to hear the remixes of "Decisive Battle" from the Evangelion score in Shin Godzilla. Like, holy Easter egg Batman!

>>14865629
Production: $160 million
+ Promotion: $100 million
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Worldwide Gross: $529 million
- Total Cost: $260 million
- Split with Theaters (50%): $264.5 million
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Studio Profit: $4.5 million

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>>14865666
Not him, but on opening weekends, the studio usually gets 70-80% of all ticket sales. With big name movies like Star Wars able to demand 90%. As an aside, this is why popcorn is 6 bucks for a bucket with 10 cents worth of kernels.
Later on, the studio's take drops down to about 50%. But then the overseas market, the studio makes even less of a cut.

It's impossible to know exactly how much since each movie and each studio has their own clout to throw around to get their cut and deals are always negotiated on a per-project basis.
So it's nowhere near a full $200 million in actual profit, but there's no way to say that it only made a meager $4.5 million.

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>>14865659
>Worldwide Gross: $529 million

Doesn't include dvd/bluray sales/rentals, PPV/subscription/terrestrial tv deals, and most importantly pic related,

>>14863993
Great to hear you had a blast fellow SF anon! Will catch it again at the Roxie today 2 PM.

>>14864054
Sup bro, did you catch it at the Roxie as well? Or at the Westfield during the first run

>>14865666
>>14865700

Blockbusters generally require an advertising budget of $100 million. And when all is said and done, the studio usually takes home about 50+% of the total profit. Talking straight box office alone, I don't think Godzilla was exactly a cash cow for WB/Legendary once you factor in all the costs.

Though overall profit could have been boosted by merchandise (toys and home media sales).

>>14865320

It is not my case, but many people I know love it because of nostalgia. The meltdown godzilla is a key image from our childhood.

>>14865731
As well it woudl be a better closure as it would follow up on a film that ended on a cliffhanger, rather than following up on one where the title character was clearly dead

Was Godzilla pregnant at the end?

I have a theory that the tail mouth is actually ShinGoji's womb-hole and has giving birth to goji-people. But he can also eject shit out of it too, like a real vagina, which is why he could use his tail beam.

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>>14864105
What the FUCK are you on about? None of that has ever been said.
>hatred of continuity and direct sequels
Excuse me? Have you even watched the Heisei or Millennium era films?

>>14865767
You've been watching the 1998 film too much

>>14865320
The film had some other choice decisions made for it that stood out from a few of the previous films IMO:

- Destroyer derived from the very experiment that killed '54 Godzilla
- Momoko Kochi returns for a significant cameo
- Miki grown up from a teen psychic to Godzilla expert professional (her noting at the end of the film that her role was over was bittersweet)
- Akira Ifukube returning for one last hurrah
- the grandson of Dr. Yamane working with the team, initially coming off as a little snot before contributing quite a bit

It could of been carried out much better I agree, but I'm thankful for the small moments we got.

>>14864105
I see people bringing that up a lot but if it was it was only for a very small period of time in early script revisions.

I do remember hearing the rumor back in 2004 before the movie came out, but the keyword is RUMOR.

Much like how at the time there was a rumor going on that the plot would be kicked off by Minilla's death and Godzilla rampaging across Earth, or Godzilla being impaled at the end on that spire in China.

Before filming started they were going to have Godzilla as fifty meters tall, but upped him to a hundred like the Heisei Godzilla so that they could save money on the city sets by making them less detailed. So it seems highly unlikely to have been part of the Heisei continuity.

Not to mention that while the movie itself omitted mention of it, in the script the opening sequence was supposed to be set in the eighties, so it certainly was not a Destoroyah sequel.

>>14865703

Neither. I was at the Westfield yesterday. I'm pretty sure it was the only showing they did this weekend. I live in the boonies of SF and it was easier to get to.

>>14864410
A Hedorah remake/sequel/whatever would be great, it seems that Hedorah is a fan favorite over here and that's good for me.
Banno had a bunch of interesting ideas for a sequel, including new monsters like Deathla.

Now, a Biollante sequel/remake would be rather hard to do. Biollante herself is a Godzilla-plant hybrid made in very specific conditions, and the fights are rather contrived (1st Form had a pissed off Godzilla near Lake Ashi, 2nd Form literally appeared before Godzilla for revenge), it's not like a bunch of flamethrower-equipped soldiers could make short work of it.
Biollante would need a serious power upgrade to work on her own, like being a rapidly-spreading GM plant pest or something like that. I mentioned a few threads back that it could be a Monsanto metaphor.

>>14865835
I personally think a straight adaptation of Vs Biollante could work for Legendary Godzilla, if you downplay or cut out the soul stuff.

>>14860425
Hiromi 1000% Kayokos English is cute though.

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>>14864054
>Hello fellow SF anon.

>>14865703
>Great to hear you had a blast fellow SF anon! Will catch it again at the Roxie today 2 PM

This guy >>14863993 here again. Greetings to both fellow SF anon-tachi. It was super fun watching with a stoked crowd. The Roxie is a great place to watch Goji flicks... I saw Final Wars there, and the subtitled 1954 film too. (Man, the original is a totally different movie from the Raymond Burr version.)

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>>14861236
>>14864410
>>14865320
>>14865731
>>14865786

GvsDestroyer would have been a lot more impressive if it hadn't unfortunately come out shortly after Gamera 2: Attack of Legion -- which was almost the same idea, except done better.

>>14866048
>which was almost the same idea
the only similarity, outside of kaiju fight, is the multiple tiny versions of the bad kaiju. literally nothing else.

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>>14865767

My pals and I theorized that Maki Goro didn't just discover or create Godzilla -- we think his sciences allowed him to turn himself INTO Godzilla.

It seems Godzilla was parthenogenic, hyper-evolved humanity.

If any Chicago anons want to go see Shin Godzilla later this week, respond to this post and we'll work out contact info. Would love to go with someone but all my friends have either already gone or don't want to go.

>>14866078
>If any Chicago anons want to go see Shin Godzilla later this week

I have some bad news anon. Isn't today the last day?

>>14866121
http://www.scified.com/news/shin-godzillas-north-american-theatrical-run-extended

Got extended to the 27th.

>>14859691
Man I gotta see this movie again, I'm hoping it's not just the hype beforehand because I've been trying to tone down in that, but it might already be my 6th favorite of the series

>>14866069
Considering how the DOE was monitoring Godzilla before Maki even came onto the project, you and your pals are cocksucking retards. Go back to Tohokingdom, dumbfuck.

>>14865772
Don't forget that kiryu saga apparently acknowledged the stand alone toho films

Also wtf, the rebirth movies are def not in continuity with heisei, different scale

>>14866168
No, that sounds fair.

Okay but can we discuss the last act? Like holy shit, how they take on Godzilla is just...anti-climatic. The rest of the movie was great but I was hoping when the 1st platoon got WIPED, that their plan failed and that Godzilla was gonna have to be nuked. That would have been satisfying as hell. But no, a fucking dental operation stopped him. And the politicians get to live another day to get to their powergrabs. However its a nice cryptic end with his evolution form thing. But god damn, did that resolution put a damper on the whole movie. Like holy shit this is a new continuity, and you're not directing the next movie, so maybe, just maybe, have the balls to give us an ending where everyone doesn't wipe the sweat off their brow and go "WHEW that was close". I almost feel like Anno was pressured to NOT nuke Tokyo because they wanna milk this new continuity for all its worth, the ending was that disappointing.

>>14866199
a nuke would've never worked, if anno is as big of a g fan as he appears, he knows that as well. The ending as it was was a great call back to the old works of honda: everyone in the from different nationalities uniting to stop a common cause. In the end no one really wanted to drop a nuke, and he was defeated not by military power, but by the scientists

>>14866199
I thought the ending was actually pretty clever.

>>14866199
It felt anticlimactic after the fact, but the scene itself was pretty riveting while it was happening.


I thought it was better put together than the previous battle. As much as everyone loves to gush over BACK LAZERS, that whole sequence felt off to me

>>14866207
Bingo. It was brains over brawn.
But also inconclusive as Big G is just stopped and is now standing menacingly over downtown Tokyo. They know their solution was the best one, but there's always the lurking threat that he could start moving again and they would have no recourse but to drop the nuke.

>>14866199
It's a militaristic right-wing mess about how great the JSDF is and how they should rearm Japan, that takes every chance it has to insult the US, and depicts women as either sociopaths (the minister and the scientist) or drooling idiots (the "American" lady who can't speak English) while all the problems are solved by tall clever handsome supercompetent men. It's misogynistic to the core and echoes all the problems in Japanese society, especially in the mindset of shut-in loser otaku like the director, Anno. One of the worst movies I've ever seen, period. It's not even a real kaiju movie, because 99% of the film is just Anno soapboxing his politics using bad actors as mouthpieces. There's barely any acting, because the people in the film just constantly spew out non-stop political rhetoric, which takes the place of any form of plot. What little monster action there is in the film is abyssmal- Godzilla's first form is hilariously out of place and despite being CG somehow manages to look like a bad puppet from a black and white era film. The CG in general is pathetic, and what little practical effects there are looks like a child playing with his toy trains. Godzilla himself starts off looking intimidating enough but falls victim to the bad CG when he starts moving faster and shooting lasers at the beginning of the second act. The film has no climax either, as the biggest confrontation is midway through the film, while the final confrontation is done by force-feeding the big lizard some sort of chemical through giant straws mounted on cement trucks. It's so cheap that it's just sad. I am very disappointed.

>>14866199
This is the first film in the series to go for the jugular in trying to elicit rah-rah support for the military and sympathy for the government, like the blatant flag-waving found in Roland Emmerich’s 1996 sci-fi epic “Independence Day.” Godzilla was originally imagined as a metaphor for the horrors of war and the devastation war brings to people, whether deserved or not, and how this new approach will play domestically and internationally is anyone’s guess.

Norman England is a life-long Godzilla fan and former reporter for Fangoria magazine who has spent months on “Godzilla” film sets and saw “Shin Godzilla” last month at a special industry screening. He notes a dramatic departure in the new film from the series’ traditional pacifistic stance.

>>14866239
Is Norman's review a new copypasta?
>handsome supercompetent men
I mean if he's into that, he's no Takarada in sea monster, though

>>14866207
I understand that point about unity and all that, but desu thats a bit basic. And actually I'm positive a nuke wouldn't have worked on Godzilla, but the situation where Japan is nuked AGAIN, is a really strong metaphor. Put that on top of the crushing realization that Godzilla still lives, or even is somehow enhanced by it? Thats crushing. Thats loss. Thats a fucking next level godzilla movie that makes you think about what the threat of Godzilla is, and if Japan or the rest of the world is truly ready to own up and deal with their past actions (as Godzilla is usually metaphorically nuclear irresponsibility/the souls of the dead coming back to wreak vengeance).

>>14866242
Oh it's a shitty copy-pasta? I was wondering why it was trying so hard to be wrong.

>>14866207
Before the movie ever came out in Japan, I kinda imagined the climax would be Godzilla getting nuked by some persistent, stubborn General ignoring everyone's pleas not to, only for Goji to soak it all up and blast it back hundredfold. But I also imagined this version being a scarred, cancerous walking nuclear meltdown leaving fiery destruction in its wake with every step. So yea...

>>14866248
It's the review written by Norman England, pillar of the community and life-long Godzilla fan and former reporter for Fangoria magazine who has spent months on “Godzilla” film sets and saw “Shin Godzilla” last month at a special industry screening. He notes a dramatic departure in the new film from the series’ traditional pacifistic stance.

when the film came out in japan a bunch of fucktards insisted that only norman england's review was reliable so I'm reposting it every chance I get to rub it in their faces

>>14866250
>>14866244
It would've been interesting

I've always wondered how Godzilla 1984 would've played differently if America missed the nuke

>>14866254
You're really not helping.

>>14866244
>I understand that point about unity and all that, but desu thats a bit basic.
And Japan's government getting its shit together and growing some balls and standing up to the international community. The whole "Do as you wish" thing.
A lot of the political thing is criticism of the Jap government in the wake of the Fukushima disaster.
And the threat of another nuke is what really drives the stakes for the Jap audience.

Sure, it's heavy-handed, but that's our Anno.

>>14866241
I didn't find the film to be very pro-military at all. In the end, it wasn't the military that saved the day, it was alternative out-of-the-box thinking and co-operation, trust etc.

>>14866258
>Someone earlier mentioned Norman England's review...does anyone have a link for it?
>His opinion is one I would really trust.

>>14866262
That's just the pastebin dude trolling, again.

>>14866241
>>14866262
The military is shown to be a positive, heroic, but ultimately futile presence. Just like the original.

>>14866262
I'd have to agree. I didn't find it pro-military. Just pro-IF THERES A WILL THERES A WAAAAY. EVERYONE LEND ME YOUR POWER.

I'm >>14866199
>>14866244
btw

>>14866269
Who are you quoting?

>>14866239
>>14866241
I'm completely convinced that a lot of these oldfag fans are just pissed that some anime director made a movie of their franchise or that they're becoming irrelevant

Half these criticism are barely relevant to the film and the rest are grade school level comprehension

>>14866277
I haven't actually seen the reviews by the other "pillars of the community", where are they anyway?

>>14866281
I heard in an earlier post a few of them hated it, and from what I've seen when august ragone isn't bitching about Millennials not knowing about fatty mcdonalds burgers he's complains about watching shin godzilla 11 times

>>14866286
>august ragone

Augie's kinda a dickweed tho.

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>>14866244
Those are some neat ideas and themes that could make for a cool movie on their own, but they're is not in-line with this film's narrative question(s).

From the very beginning of the movie, the world already has a method to defeat Godzilla thanks to Dr. Maki's research. The question becomes "can we truly work together, breaking through pointless worldly bureaucratic barriers, and save the country with strategy and compassion rather than destrucion?" The characters overcome the economic and geopolitical pressure to surrender to the UN, saving Tokyo from the knee-jerk reaction that is the nuke. It's rather basic, but Anno executed it near perfectly.

Whether it goes too anti-UN or not is up to the audience.

>>14864105
What movies are canon to Godzilla vs Destroyah? I know all the Heisei movies aren't canon with each other but I want to see the movies that are in the same continuity with Destroyah

>>14866281
AVGN liked it.

>>14866371
best girl

>all the Heisei movies aren't canon with each other
wut, your thinking of the millennium series. granted king ghidorah really fucks up with time, but everything from 1984-destoryah is connected

>>14866408
Meant to quote this >>14866397
Too

>G14
>ShinG
>Anime G movie
>all reboots
We never left Millennium.

>>14866418
techincally we're still in the heisei era because the emperor hasnt changed

to get even more technical, godzilla 1984 is technically showa

>>14866371
But you're mistaken! It can still be in line with that. The method to defeat godzilla can simply prove too difficult for the current relationship between everyone. All it would have taken was one of those companies fucking up the shipment of coolant, France not caring about Japan's plea, the US pushing to nuke in its own self interest, the crews not going in after seeing the first coolant crew get decimated, etc. Too many factors for me to think that international effort is possible. And even if it is possible in this different universe, then it doesn't seem relevant to this one, as its so different. A more powerful message than saying WE CAN DO IT is showing the mess that happens when we DON'T do it, and how thats the more possible outcome, and how self-interest destroys our allies, and ultimately ourselves. Because honestly thats whats GOING to happen. The devastation, the futility, the death. All in all its more powerful than a crack team of scientists leading an international effort. Plus all the air is taken OUT of this unreal solidarity when they say 'oh but the second Godzilla moves we're nuking your ass'.

i just realized Goro Maki has the most iterations of any godziller human character...

>>14866244
>And actually I'm positive a nuke wouldn't have worked on Godzilla

Of course it would work.
A nuke isn't an explosion - it's a small, short-lived stellar furnace.
A source of heat a couple hundred feet in diameter, so hot(we're talking millions of degrees celsius), that it consumes the very atoms at ground zero, dismantling them to fuel the reaction. Once it consumes everything that was to be consumed, it fizzles out and the atmosphere comes rushing in to fill the resulting vacuum, creating super-heated, rushing shockwaves.
By the time, the irradiated particles picked up by the shockwaves, begin to float back down, onto the surface - there would be no Godzilla for them to irradiate.
Unless he's made out of come exotic, collapsed neutron star matter - he's getting turned to energy like everything else.

Nothing can survive a bullseye with a nuke, even the OG Gojira was "only" disfigured by a shockwave and irradiated in a fallout.

>>14866397
The Heisei Godzilla movies do follow each other, there's just a time-travel plot in G vs King Ghidorah that confuses people. Many think that film overrides the two previous Heisei movies and deletes them from the timeline, but they're actually still part of the overall series. The characters basically go back in time to get rid of the original Godzilla, but they accidentally end up creating the Heisei Godzilla instead (or something like that). The events add up, and you're advised to ignore some faults in G vs King Ghidorah's script.

Though you can disregard films like Godzilla and Mothra or Godzilla vs Space Godzilla if you don't want to watch the entire Heisei series, since those add little to the overall story (and a lot of fans consider them to be shit).

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if they wanna do a sequel, how do you guys think they should go about it?

should it be in line with this and try to bring back anno, or should they do a sequel with the same contiuity but new people to work on it

i wouldnt mind a tonally consistent series of sequels, but it would be interesting to see a whole new story crew for each entry bring their own style and flare to it

>>14866397
everything after 1984 but before destroyah is in continuity with eachother.

they dont really take advantage of the whole continuous series thing like gamera did with his trilogy, but they each generally build upon the last, except mothra 1992 which generally seems like a mothra movie that had godziller thrown in at the last minute ( which it actually was)

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>>14866464
This clears up a lot. Thanks, Anon! I've seen a handful of Godzilla movies but never in order. Most of the movies I've seen have been from the Showa series so I'm tying to get into the Heisei movies.

>>14863298
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=849990

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>>14866470

These guys fall off and become a new threat.

How is it that such a massive movie hasn't been cammed yet? Especially with Funi handling official subs, this is probably going to be a Rebellion/The Rising situation again.

>>14866488
It was the same way for me, I watched whichever movie sounded interesting and was available for download in good-enough quality and preferably with subs. That was almost ten years ago, back when you had to get real lucky to find good, working torrents, so I couldn't watch them in order even if I wanted to.

>>14866464
I never got an answer in a previous ShinGoji general, so I'll repost this:

>Are you sure you aren't completely wrong? I thought that after the Futurians place the Datoras on the island, King Ghidorah basically takes Godzilla's place in a new Heisei timeline. When they return to the film's present, King Ghidorah is rampaging, but the implication is that he's been rampaging for years, maybe since 1954?

>What makes it weird is that nobody seems to have experienced the new timeline between WWII and the film's present. Not just the people who travel through time, but also those businessmen. Even though history has been changed, it seems "the present" isn't some subjective thing, everyone in the world was fearing Godzilla one moment, and then King Ghidorah suddenly appeared, even though he's existed since the atomic bombing of the island. Then you have the pilot in SpaceGodzilla remembering his brother's death, and the '54 heroine and the whole world remembering '54 Godzilla and the Oxygen Destroyer.

>There's a sort of logic to it, but I just shrugged and figured they didn't take the time to really hammer it out. It makes as little sense as The Langoliers. But it's good for the camp value.

>Of course I could just be completely wrong, I watched it once a while back, the dub.

Please someone give me conclusive evidence that what >>14866464 says is true. Like a certain hours and minutes into the film.

>>14866199
>dropping an nuke on a living nuclear power plant

What about no, As Mayor Ebert of Godzilla 1998 exclamed: "You've caused more damage than that goddamn thing did!"

>>14866428
>But you're mistaken! It can still be in line with that. The method to defeat godzilla can simply prove too difficult for the current relationship between everyone.
NB4 capitalism and MIC in control of the UN.

>>14866449
>A nuke isn't an explosion - it's a small, short-lived stellar furnace.
>it consumes the very atoms at ground zero, dismantling them to fuel the reaction
>Once it consumes everything that was to be consumed, it fizzles out and the atmosphere comes rushing in to fill the resulting vacuum, creating super-heated, rushing shockwaves.
This is the most idiotic misunderstanding of nuclear weapons that I've ever seen. Nuclear weapons don't "consume" any significant portion of matter, they function by abruptly compressing nuclear fuel (usually enriched uranium or plutonium) such that it goes superheated and supercritical, and causes a cascading reaction that breaks down a small portion of that fuel into lighter elements in high energy states, which then explode outwards because they have nowhere else to go. After that it is literally just an explosion.
The energy released by a fission bomb has less than 0.1% of the efficiency of direct mass-energy conversion, and fusion bombs are barely any better.
I have no idea where you even got the vacuum thing from.
And for the record, a dozen or so meters of steel is all that's needed to protect your from a nuclear blast, and reliably enough that nuclear-bomb-powered engines are something we are seriously considering as a means of propulsion for our spacecraft.

>>14866657
Idk exactly what your question is, but here are things that are true:

there simply HAS to be 2 Godzilla's on different islands, as destroyah references the 1954 original

Biollante and by extention 1984 have to exist otherwise miki wouldn't have her job.

Even if we use the 2 Godzilla's theory to make Biollante and 1984 retroactively exist, it doesn't explain why godzilla is in the Bering sea when he was in the sea around japan at the beginning of the movie

>>14866657
I forget what it's called, but there's a time travel theory that lines up closely to how things went in Vs King Ghidorah, and indeed it's supposed to be one of the theories that is more likely to be plausible at that

>>14866199
I do wish they'd had the bomber be shot down by Godzilla and the truck platoon was the desperate backup plan before he gets back into the sea. It would have made more sense that way around than letting them try their bomb trains plan.

>>14866772
Wasn't the piloted Mechagodzilla built around the bones of Godzilla for some kind of vague stats bonuses? I assume that would be the bones of 1954 Godzilla.

>>14866814
>Wasn't the piloted Mechagodzilla built around the bones of Godzilla for some kind of vague stats bonuses? I assume that would be the bones of 1954 Godzilla.
totally different saga, m8

Will Anguirus ever be relevant again?
It seems like Kong is considered more of a rival to Big G now, so it seems unlikely he'll be back in the Legendary series.

>>14866657
From what I recall reading about it, the timeline goes something like this:
>Futurians and pals go back to WWII, find a Godzillasaurus, teleport it to the Bering sea to keep it from becoming Godzilla
>they must have fucked up because Godzilla came into being anyway (and was destroyed) in 1954
>the bombs also create King Ghidorah
>a nuclear sub crashes in the Bering sea in the 70s, causing the teleported Godzillasaurus to transform into Heisei Godzilla
>The Return of Godzilla and Biollante happen
>Godzilla is back in the sea after the last movie's events, still having anti-nuclear bacteria in him. The cold sea keeps the bacteria from killing him, but otherwise he can't do a whole lot in this state
>the time-travelers return and aren't surprised that people still remember Godzilla, even though as far as they know he's been erased from history (shitty writing)
>the characters find a newspaper about the crashed sub (I'm not certain if the date of the crash is mentioned in the dialogue), which makes them realize that Godzilla hasn't been erased from time after all, instead there were two of them, the original and the Heisei one
>King Ghidorah is rampaging, presumably having waited until the present to act
>knowing that only Godzilla can defeat Ghidorah, the humans crash another nuclear sub into him, curing him from the effects of the bacteria and causing him to grow from 80 m tall to 100 m tall
>rest of the movie happens

But I'm not totally sure on the exact details. It wasn't recently that I read opinion pieces on the subject and it's been even longer ago that I actually watched the movie.

>>14866886
One day, has appeared in more godziller movies than any other kaiju other than Mothra, at least he's not varan/titanosaurus status

>>14866893
>they must have fucked up because Godzilla came into being anyway (and was destroyed) in 1954
I feel it is less a fuck up and more only taking out the 2nd Godzilla. Don't gotta worry about the original that much. He dies anyways.

>>14866893
>>the time-travelers return and aren't surprised that people still remember Godzilla, even though as far as they know he's been erased from history (shitty writing)

If I recall, don't the people note the change in Godzillas, mentioning how the new one is angrier than the previous one?

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>>14866814
>made more sense that way around than letting them try their bomb trains plan.

But the bomb trains were great! It was right in line with the whole "Japan vs Godzilla" theme. The Japanese love trains, they're sorta a key fixture of the Japanese national identity. Using them that way in the film was a lovely idea.

The film was like a live-action, big-budget adaptation of Evangelion episodes 6 and 8.

>>14866886
If the Legendary cinematic universe pans out, hopefully he'll return in some form.

I wouldn't even need him or other neglected kaiju to play important roles. They could just be shown stomping around on Monster/Skull Island. Similar to how certain dinos in the Jurassic Park movies get less than a minute of screentime, but they're still memorable. That would still be better than ignoring them outright.

Like I could imagine Zilla or Varan sunbathing, then running away once Godzilla comes walking by. Or humans are trying to scramble across the terrain while Anguirus and Titanosaurus fight above them like two living mountains, making the earth shake.

Has Gareth Edwards said anything about Shin?
I figure he's feel like weighing in.

>>14864077
Is there a high quality torrent of the soundtrack yet?

>>14866970
He's probably buy with Star Wars at the moment

I either need a camrip or a plane ticket to the US.

>>14867007
Plus he's based in britian, and I don't think they have it yet

Can someone explain why Shin Godzilla has so much music that takes its cues from Evangelion? I think I heard the Evangelion prep song half a dozen times. A little mixed up, but it was recognizable.

And what about those weird old-timey sounding tracks? Are those actually from old Godzilla movies or were they redone with modern instruments made to sound old?

>>14867400
>Can someone explain why Shin Godzilla has so much music that takes its cues from Evangelion?
Because Anno did Shin Godzilla.
>Are those actually from old Godzilla movies
Yes, although there are some minor adjustments in some like the Japan military march.

>>14867450
But the music is so much like Eva it feels really jarring. Can Sagisu Shiro really not do anything different?

>>14867469
I imagine anno wanted to do his own little touch with the themes, and seeing as how that track (though originally from a James Bond movie) is pretty synonymous with Eva, I guess it seemed a good idea?

>>14867492
It's from a Bond movie?

>>14867534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCEiNk198E

>>14866239
look at this outraged autistic sjw feminazi getting absolutely assblasted

>>14867469
>Can Sagisu Shiro really not do anything different?
He clearly did a lot of new stuff for the movie. It was a cute reference considering Eva was his and Anno's biggest property.

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>>14867543

Wowzers. Yeah, it's very similar. "Decisive Battle" isn't the same, but is very obviously an homage to this track.

Personally, I think that's fucking cool.

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Hello /m/

>>14866657
>>14866772
>>14866802
>>14866893
>>14866912
>>14866925

Alright, I did some reading. Here seems to be the most thought-out explanation of the time loop theory:
http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2007/08/16/godzilla-vs-king-ghidorah-time-travel-and-the-origins-of-godzilla/

Seems pretty solid, but I'm still a little skeptical. I'd be able to make up my mind much easier just by re-watching the film, but until then I'll lay out some of my ideas.

First—it's important to remember than any inconsistencies might be due to plot holes, and not an intentional, well thought-out time travel mechanic.

Second—we need to consider the possibility that nobody subjectively experienced the altered history from 1944 to 1992, even though it physically occurred. Even if this isn't the case canonically, and it is a stable time loop instead, for a while at least all the characters believe this to be the case.

Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah seems to be running on a sort of "presentist" conception of time, as opposed to an "eternalist" one where the past and future are just as real and explorable as the present. Except that doesn't really work, because if we treat 1992 as reality's present, how are they being visited from 2204—let's leave that alone for now. A small group travels from 1992 to 1944. That group "animates" the portion of 1944 they travel to, and experience it. But everyone in 1992 who doesn't travel back in time is waiting around, and once the group returns, history appears to have changed as if with a snap of the fingers. Godzilla appears to teleport from off the Japanese coast to the Bering Sea, physical evidence of the altered history, even though nobody's memories have been changed.

The author in the link above argues that Godzilla merely swam from just off coast to the Bering Sea, pointing out that they couldn't accurately track the submerged Godzilla in the previous film.

>>14867647
that was already on youtube (seems it got taken down by toho big surprise)

>>14867647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxuodY-c0yU
Imagine this playing when the credits popped up after that.

>>14867681
(continued)

I'm not sure even the storywriters would've remembered that as some sort of canonized feature of Godzilla. And should we really expect Godzilla to move from Japan to the Bering Sea in however short a time had passed since they last confirmed his location and Miki's telepathic sensing of him in the Sea? And isn't it coincidental that he swam back to the place he was teleported to in 1944? I guess it could be his "home", but I kind of thought the idea was that in this new altered history, he's always been in the Bering Sea, from teleportation to encounter with the Soviet sub to the encounter with Shindo's sub. Maybe in the film, they explicitly say things which back up the link's theory and counter mine.

As for the references to Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla vs. Biollante in the later films, these could alternatively be plot holes/retcons caused by the staff choosing to forget the altered history, or maybe the Godzilla went from the Bering Sea to Japan for those events in this new timeline, even though in the original timeline he was irradiated at Lagos (the '54 Godzilla having been another Godzillasaurus irradiated around the same time around the same area in both the original timeline and the altered timeline, and killed by the Oxygen Destroyer in both). And that's only to explain the physical references to the original timeline, like the possibility that SpaceGodzilla was derived from Biollante's cells sent to space, or the soil samples affected by the Oxygen Destroyer in '54 being studied in the Nineties.

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>>14867696
I didn't get it from youtube

>>14867704
(continued)

Because the people in 1992 retain their memories from the original timeline, and not the altered timeline, even though the altered timeline was the one physically happened and would be reflected "archeologically".

Another thing to consider is whether or not Emmy's actions confirm that time can be changed. When Emmy went to the future to ask the other Futurians' help in retrieving King Ghidorah's body and turning it into Mecha-King Ghidorah, did they confirm whether or not Japan was destroyed in that future? It's not like anything suggested that Japan was fine, and that Emmy already knew that she would return and defeat Godzilla using Mecha-King Ghidorah, right? She was taking a risk, saving Japan from what would otherwise be certain doom.

>>14867647
>>14867705

I just realized that the scale is strange here. If Shin Godzilla is 118.5m tall, those humanoid skeletons coming from his tail are WAY bigger than human size.

>>14867681
That link is the only way to make sense of this thing.
A predestination Paradox of the Bootstrap variety.The same Time Travel theoretical model as used in the OG Terminator, 12 Monkeys, Predestination, Primer etc.

To sidestep the problem of 'reality ending paradoxes', this model supposed that changes to the past are impossible.
A pretty fatalistic model, considering it would flat out prove that free will is an illusion, and we each play out the parts that destiny has written out for us.

What additionally supports it is the fact that the intervention in 44 changed nothing, everyone still remembers Godzilla and the aftershocks of his rampages are still felt.
The only apparent change is that he seemingly disappeared.
The most mundane explanation is that he indeed, simply - swam away, not unreasonable, considering they have difficulty tracking him underwater and that everybody was focused on giant time travelling UFO.

>>14867705
we all know there's no full camrip, so where else would you have gotten it from

>>14867730
But just because something is inconsistent or paradoxical doesn't mean it isn't what the creators intended. And if the characters in-universe thought things had changed even though their memories didn't change, we're at least supposed to consider whether that's what happened.

You're probably right, but I'm going to share my hypothetical timeline anyway, just for the record.

Original timeline:

>1944: Godzillasaurus II rescues Japanese soldiers on Lagos Island. At this time, Godzillasaurus I haunts Odo Island.
>between 1944 and 1954: Godzillasaurus I is irradiated, becomes Godzilla I. Elsewhere, Godzillasaurus II is irradiated, becomes Godzilla II.
>1954: Godzilla I attacks Tokyo, killed by Oxygen Destroyer.
>Late 1970s: Soviet nuclear sub travels through Bering Sea, unmolested by Godzillasaurus II.
>1984: Godzilla II awakened by volcanic eruption, later trapped in another volcano.
>1990: Godzilla II reawakens due to biotechnology experiments, infected with ANB, then moves back to sea.
>1992: Peaceful times.
>1998: The book The Birth of Godzilla is published.
>2204: Japan has become a global superpower. Evil Westerners hatch a plan to erase Japan and Godzilla from history. They travel back in time.

>>14867786

New Timeline:

>1944: Godzillasaurus II rescues Japanese soldiers on Lagos Island. At this time, Godzillasaurus I haunts Odo Island. Futurians and friends arrive from the future of '92. Godzillasaurus II teleported to the Bering Strait. Dorats left on Lagos Island.
>between 1944 and 1954: Godzillasaurus I is irradiated, becomes Godzilla I. Elsewhere, the Datoras are irradiated, become King Ghidorah.
>1954: Godzilla I attacks Tokyo, killed by Oxygen Destroyer.
>Late 1970s: Soviet nuclear sub travels through Bering Sea, destroyed by Godzillasaurus II, who becomes Godzilla II.
>1984: MAYBE Godzilla II awakened by volcanic eruption, later trapped in another volcano. Or MAYBE it happens differently, or not at all.
>1990: MAYBE Godzilla II reawakens due to biotechnology experiments, infected with ANB, then moves back to sea. Or MAYBE it happens differently, or not at all.
>1992: Futurians arrive from 2204, then travel back to 1944, then return to 2204, and activate mind-control device, unleashing King Ghidorah unto Japan. Maybe King Ghidorah tore stuff up before, or maybe this is the first time he came out of hiding. Shindo's sub finds Godzilla II, Godzilla II grows 20 meters, comes ashore, defeats King Ghidorah. Emmy travels back to the future. Godzilla II then destroys Japan.
>2204: Emmy finds King Ghidorah's remains, has Mecha-King Ghidorah constructed, and travels back in time.

>>14867788

Final Timeline:

>1944: Godzillasaurus II rescues Japanese soldiers on Lagos Island. At this time, Godzillasaurus I haunts Odo Island. Futurians and friends arrive from the future of '92. Godzillasaurus II teleported to the Bering Strait. Dorats left on Lagos Island.
>between 1944 and 1954: Godzillasaurus I is irradiated, becomes Godzilla I. Elsewhere, the Datoras are irradiated, become King Ghidorah.
>1954: Godzilla I attacks Tokyo, killed by Oxygen Destroyer.
>Late 1970s: Soviet nuclear sub travels through Bering Sea, destroyed by Godzillasaurus II, who becomes Godzilla II.
>1984: MAYBE Godzilla II awakened by volcanic eruption, later trapped in another volcano. Or MAYBE it happens differently, or not at all.
>1990: MAYBE Godzilla II reawakens due to biotechnology experiments, infected with ANB, then moves back to sea. Or MAYBE it happens differently, or not at all.
>1992: Futurians arrive from 2204, then travel back to 1944, then return to 2204, and activate mind-control device, unleashing King Ghidorah unto Japan. Maybe King Ghidorah tore stuff up before, or maybe this is the first time he came out of hiding. Shindo's sub finds Godzilla II, Godzilla II grows 20 meters, comes ashore, defeats King Ghidorah. Emmy travels back to the future. She returns piloting Mecha-King Ghidorah, and subdues Godzilla.
>1993: Godzilla defeats Battra, Mothra goes into space to stop an asteroid in Battra's place. I wonder what happened to that asteroid in the previous timelines.
>1994: Baby Godzilla found, Godzilla fights MechaGodzilla and Fire Rodan.
>1995: Godzilla fights SpaceGodzilla. I wonder if SpaceGodzilla arrived in previous timelines? Might depend on whether or not his origin is from Biollante or from Mothra.
>1996: Godzilla defeats Destroyah, dies preventing China syndrome, Godzilla Jr. becomes Godzilla III.

>>14867793

Final Timeline (continued)

>1998: Maybe that author published his book in this timeline as well.
>2204: Japan probably still exists, who knows whether or not it's a superpower, Emmy returns there. But did she even leave from here...?

I've gone cross-eyed.

>>14867751
really makes you think

>>14867793
Dorats, not Datoras, and meant to say 1992 in second instance of 2204.

>>14867793
I wonder whether the timeline would have been expanded on even further if rumored movies and plots were added. Who knows, maybe in another universe those rumored and scrapped movies were actually made

>>14867808
What else were there, besides Godzilla vs. GhostGodzilla and Godzilla vs. Satan? I'm not making those up, am I?

>>14867808
And one of my suggestions was that they pretty much forgot about the time travel plot after production of vs. King Ghidorah wrapped up. I'm sure I can think of some other example where a franchise just moves on and blatantly ignores a huge thing from a previous installment...

>>14867814
There was also Godzilla vs Bagan, Final wars being connected to Heisei, Goji vs Baragon, Varan, and Anguirus, Biogodzilla, Barubaroi, Goji vs Berserk, Mechamothra, Goji vs MechaniKong, Deathla, and I think a few others that I'm missing

>>14867814
Godzilla vs satan was apparently not an actual idea, but got debunked


Also ghost godzilla was gonna have Anguirus, there was godzilla vs batman, godzilla vs frankenstien, vs the Gargantuas, DAM with Maguma ebirah and a few others, godzilla vs redmoon, originally godzilla vs Mechagodzilla had a new enemy monster and had Mothra instead of king Seasar

Also titanosaurus was originally 2 monsters who fused into one

>>14867876
Also bagan was gonna be some shape shifting monster in godzilla 1984 that fought and was killed by godzilla halfway through the film, Mothra 1992 had a completely different story featuring no twin fairies but one and an enemy named gigamoth, 2000 allegedly had Anguirus and king seesar in an early draft (citation needed), Shosuke Kaneko originally had 2 different ideas before making godzilla vs 3 guardian monsters: one where he fought kamacuras and another with a spaceman turned mutation, then of course GMK with Anguirus and varan that had masers and the Atragon, GxMG apprently had titanosaurus at one point, and originally anguirus Was in tokyo SOS as the creature godzilla killed but they replaced him because they figured fans would be pissed

The Satan-thingy was a perception error. It was the 1980 planned movie Totem-Bagan, which was also cancelled.

Still we got GODZILLA IN HELL, with a Cthulhu-like Satan at the end. So why no movie?

>>14867886
Anguirus was planned for TOKYO SOS ? I thought it was a mosasaur who got replaced by Kameoba.

Also where does the Titanosaurus rumor for GXMG originate?

>>14867894
The process went Mosasuar > Anguirus > kamoebes

The titanosaurus thing I remember reading somewhere, but I suppose you could also put that under citation needed. Might've been cool to see Kiryu fight other monsters, since the box back for the DVD of SOS flat out lies about that

So we all agree that the top 4 strongest gojis (not in any specific order) are Shin, 2014, Final Wars, and Burning, right?

>>14867974
I get your thinking for the other three, but why 2014?

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>>14867997
Just due to sheer physical size and bulk.

>>14866370
Augie is a cockwad. I've known him since we were kids. He got a swelled head because he got called to be the "Godzilla Expert" for Capt Cosmic, and Creature Features back in the day, and ever since then it's just been getting bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vJDO5aa4s

>>14868016
>the american godzilla is the fattest
really makes you think, huh?

>>14868044

These people are just bootyblasted that the genre just doesn't want to be about goofy shit anymore and also jealous of Anno's talent.

They are so used to stupid shit that they cannot comprehend greater movies.

>>14867400
I think what happened was they put it as placeholder music when editing the film, and then decided to just use it in the final film since it fit well and served as a director's mark, but made different versions to fresh it up a little

as for the classic music, yes, they are original tracks from previous films

>>14868093
it was surprising to me that a lot of godzilla fans like it only because to them it is a kind of big budget wrestling match or superhero thing

It must be sheer luck that I grew up with only the darker and more serious g54,64,84,89 films

I've been waiting for something like shingoji for a while :D

>>14868106
I like both types a lot. The serious ones like '54 are great, but I love the goofier ones like Son of Godzilla or Final Wars too. Shin had a good mix of both with the comedy and laser lights show, while also getting more "real" in the second half.

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Only 6 more for fresh certificate.

>>14867921
Okay, thank you!

>>14868146
why dont we just set up a bunch of review websites and help out shingoji?

>>14868206

To be honest this movie is the biggest pleb filter in modern movie history, it needs to be recognised.

>>14868208
Seems that even the plebs enjoy it. The only people bashing it are literal retards.

>>14868044
Bob Johnson is that you?

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>>14867876
>godzilla vs batman

Wait

WAIT

HOLD ON WHAT

>>14868106
>it was surprising to me that a lot of godzilla fans like it only because to them it is a kind of big budget wrestling match or superhero thing

>The same fandom that complains at a new movie isn't like the dark and gritty original
OK.

>>14868478

SLAB BULKHEAD

>>14868507

Godzilla's fandom is one of the most divisive in the world, those two are different groups.

However, to appreciate this movie you don't even have to like Godzilla.

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>>14866199
>anticlimactic
I agree.

However, I have to say it is partly due to how the 3rd act dragged on. The political and godzilla aspects were nicely balanced until he went to sleep, at which point the film decided to focus on a political message. The wait was long and goji had nothing new save the tail to show. It seemed like he jobbed for the plot.

I posted about how I feel the finale didn't do the design justice last time. I don't mind the film's intentions but it came at the price of underutilising this goji's potential.

Is G2000 the only one with a flat out "we lose" ending?

>>14868745
G2000 seems less we lose than we just deal with it, because in the end he beat the Millennians

Is say the 2 closest "we lose" or at least "no one won" ones are terror of Mechagodzilla and biollante

>>14868745

The original one also has a defeatist ending, Shin does too in the way that if Goji wakes up, the second he moves USA is nuking Tokyo.

>>14868745
>However, I have to say it is partly due to how the 3rd act dragged on. The political and godzilla aspects were nicely balanced until he went to sleep, at which point the film decided to focus on a political message. The wait was long and goji had nothing new save the tail to show.
My general problem with the second half of the film right here. Godzilla being spry for the climax is nice, though.

What did Shin Goji of NMI think of the movie? Guy's head is so huge since he considers himself a "Godzilla ambassador" to other fandoms I would not be surprised if he thinks the movie was named after him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaOYh6fq4xc

>>14868902
That video for a moment made me feel less European. Because I could actually watch some Shin Goji.

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>reading google translated comments from japs on a reupload of the AVGN review that somebody put japanese subtitles on

>litterally every other comment is them going "Man it must have been a huge pain to see it as an american, there must've been a ton of subtitles"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h6-wZyZdL0

here's the video if you wanna read/translate them

>>14868965

This movie didn't need a sub, it needed a dub, Funi could have provided a good one, they fucked up.

>>14868983

>Dubs

>Good

You're trying to fit a language with a totally different rhythm into performances and visuals that are built around totally different speech patterns. Even the best dub is gonna sound of at best.

>>14868983
>funi providing a good dub
buddy, that's unfortunately an impossibility

>>14868986

*off.

Fuck me I need to sleep more

>>14868983
Funi's dubbing it for the video release. Releasing it theatrically as a dub would have been a massive blunder though.

>>14868986
>>14868983
Who was in charge of the dubs for the Heisei and Millennium movies?

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>>14868965
>"Man it must have been a huge pain to see it as an american, there must've been a ton of subtitles"

Well, they're not wrong.

>>14868986
To be fair, the dub for international dub for 1984 was amazing
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtqlv1qDjw

>>14868992
Toho sends them to Hong Kong for English dubbing since the seventies. Godzilla 1985 and Godzilla 2000 got American dubs in addition at least.

>>14868996
>Godziller is eating, his supp.
Okay. I am used to Godziller, but how the fuck did they fuck up "supper" so badly?

This movie was pretty meh. Burger-zilla looked cool and all, but getting Anno to direct this was a huge mistake.

The way the movie was 90% board room scenes (spoken so fast that not even Japanese audiences could tell what was going on) is laughable. Anno couldn't be more pretentious.

He runs away from the campiness and incompetent special effects the movies are known for (although trust me, there were some incompetent special effects), but still manages to shit on the 1954 classic by making it pro-Abe yamato damashii pandering.

Of course, lots of fans are pretending it's a modern masterpiece. Have fun in your little fantasy land where asian rubber lizard movies are respectable senpai

>>14869014

Cool story, m8

>>14869014
>Have fun in your little fantasy land where asian rubber lizard movies are respectable senpai
Better than the land where people take super guys in spandex and American flag clothing serious

>>14868965

It sure did have a shit-ton of subtitles. I had to train myself to ignore the supertitles.

>>14868991
yeah, but are there going to be any making-of special features?

>>14867876
>godzilla vs batman, godzilla vs frankenstien,

Varying degrees of wat.

>>14868106
As someone who enjoys the goofy "elaborate wrestling match" aspects of the older movies, I very much have no problem with more serious and straightforward stories. I think the comics really work in that regard.

>>14866931
On top of that, I thought it was a cheeky reference to the train destroyed in '54. After all these years, the modern trains avenge their fallen ancestors!

>>14869039
They are supposed to make an announcement on the DVD after if finishes it's theatrical run here, so figure early November.

I imagine one or two special features, but guess really depends on Toho. They generally do not want cheaper American releasing competing with their domestic ones.

>>14869061
How come fansites never bother getting the super expensive japanese blu ray sets and translating the extras?

Not even just with godzilla or kaiju or /m/ stuff, but japanese media in general.

You have absolutely fucking massive fansites for stuff like dragon ball and the like but I never see BD extras translated despite the amount of extras that come with sets

>>14869115
Because most of the fanbase do not actually know Japanese and/or have the money or talent to afford that stuff.

Godzilla fandom used to have Tokyo Monsters ad far as getting Japanese releases and releasing media but the costs of running a site like that were astronomical.

>>14869135
well, for something like dragonball there's certainly enough of the fanbase that can translate it, they translate old ass interviews all the time, but never anything from the DBD/BD sets.

>>14869137
That's where the money part comes in.

Especially in regards to anime. Unless someone is living in Japan and can pick it up in person you have to factor in the high base price, the cost to ship it to their country, custom fees if not American, and doing this multiple times.

That's a huge financial sink that that very few people can afford.

>>14869206

>>14869014
couldnt keep up with the dialog huh? poor baby, you can do it!

>>14868503
probably a literal Batman

>>14869040
>Varying degrees of wat.
>hasn't seen Frankenstein conquers the world
GO EDUCATE YOUR SELF WITH SOME GOOD SHOWA SHIT

Is this getting a western blu-ray release?