How would Late UC have gone down if Char succeeded in dropping

>>14853349
Rocks fall, everyone dies. Animals evolve further, the whole cycle repeats except with dolphins as the dominant species this time.

everyone would be a newtype, the end.

>>14853349
Everyone died! The end.

>>14853349
After the fall of the Axis the life on the Earth changes - the new Ice Age is coming, the new species are evolving. Those who managed to survive and save some undamaged ships, flee from the planet.
The colonial governments are overthrown and replaced by Char's men.
The remnants of EFSF are getting blocked in the space port and surrender or flee in the deeper space. Some of them are trying to fight against Neo Zeon army or becoming pirates.
Char Aznable establishes his own dictatorship and launches the wave of colony building, both standalone Sides and asteroid settlements.
The ex-Federation officials are facing the trial, if not being lynched by angry mob.
Nanai becomes the Char's wife.
Quess is shocked for a moment by the fact of her dad being murdered by herself. She becomes the Char's stepdaughter, since she hasn't reached her age of competence. If she survives, of course.
The percent of newtypes is growing, and the newtype-related technologies are evolving.
Few decades later Char leaves his post of a dictator and settles somewhere quiet.

That's the way I'd like it to be.

>>14853469
If Axis successfully dropped and Char survived that means Amuro survived as well, given that he was better skilled than Char and outskilled him in an inferior suit.

I'd like to see Amuro flying around as a space pirate leading a guerilla style rebellion against Char's new space nation

>>14853543
>that means Amuro survived as well,
No, that doesn't mean it.
But I like the guerilla idea.

>>14853572
How doesn't it? The only reason Amuro died was because he decided to be a hero. He completely wrecked Char's shit and forced him to watch (and died with him).

If Axis fell any earlier, say during their duel, Amuro would've probably just fried Char's escape pod out of anger and proceed to curbstomp the remaining leaderless Neo Zeons

Same conflicts, but everyone is a newtype.

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>>14853349
I imagine a SRW D story once someone says "What it would be like if Char dropped the Axis on Earth?"

>>14853349
Various low-level figures in the Federation hierarchy, including Bright and Amuro, would argue that the Earth Federation should remain to govern the Sides and bring justice to Char. But the Federation brass and bigwigs can't handle the prospect of managing the final emigration from Earth and trying to make up for the loss of face brought about by the Axis Drop. The leadership goes into hiding, and the Federation soon collapses due to Neo Zeon mop-up ops and riots from those remaining in the endless winter of Earth and suffering under an economic depression in the Sides.

Amuro and Bright quietly form an AEUG/LM-style militia, hoping to gather strength to later fight against Char's Neo Zeon. Char leads a blitz attack to conquer the few remaining colonies which didn't voluntarily seek membership in Neo Zeon. He establishes a Final Earth Emigration Administration to transport the remaining two billion people from Earth by UC 0100, and apologizes to them personally, asking humanity, and Earth herself, to lay all the blame for her long sleep on himself; the common people of Neo Zeon are innocent of his own crimes.

Char also establishes a Man-Hunter Attachment (MaHA) to hunt down the Earthnoid elites of the Federation and bring them to justice. Amuro and Bright are included on this list, although Char intends not to execute them, but to place them under house arrest unless they agree to serve under him.

By UC 0105, however, the masses have grown disenchanted with Char's Neo Zeon. Except within Side 3, the sleeping Earth is always in the Spacenoids' sight, and they can't bear to think that it will remain like that for thousands, or millions of years. For some, they wish to return to Earth. For others, they wish to stay in space, but can't help but feel wounding the Earth was a serious crime, unbecoming of Spacenoid Newtypes.

>>14853716
On top of this, Char realizes that Amuro's prophecy about revolutions and intellectuals is becoming even more true. Without a mass awakening of Newtypes which should have been brought about by total emigration to space, Char has lost his will to live. He wishes to leave the Earth Sphere for the remote ends of the Solar System, but with instability brewing, he needs to find a strong successor for Neo Zeon. Among his candidates are Mineva Lao Zabi and Hathaway Noa, Nanai’s son only being twelve years old.

Side 7 declares its independence from Neo Zeon, as the Republic of Noa. The Republic is backed by the Cygnus Green, Amuro and Bright’s militia, and supplied arms by Neo Zeonic, formerly Anaheim Electronics, despite the latter being nationalized by Char. Char is forced to return to war and politics. Despite crucial early victories, the Republic is invaded and reconquered, with some civilians and most of Cygnus Green retreating to the desolate wastes of Earth. Within Cygnus Green’s hideaway in Hong Kong Crater, Char finally reunites with Amuro, and Hathaway captures his father in battle. When Amuro refuses to stand down, Char orders Hathaway to execute the captive Bright, and Hathaway does so.

Back in space, Amuro launches one final desperate attack on Sweetwater and Neo Zeon’s new superweapon, the Psyco Ray. Char defeats Amuro in combat. However, just as he’s addressing the Earth Sphere in his victory speech, preparing them for reconstruction, his aides alert them that Side 7 has once again risen in revolt, as well as Side 6, and the two have formed a loose military alliance as the Sidereal Confederation. Furthermore, Mineva attempted a coup d’état, and backed by forces from the former Mars Zeon, has instigated Side 3’s secession as the New Republic of Munzo, the true successors of Zeon Zum Deikun’s ideals. Apparently, Char reminded Mineva too much of Haman, grooming her for leadership of another Neo Zeon.

>>14853725
Char retreats to his chambers, pouring himself a glass of whiskey and spiritually preparing himself for a war on three fronts. Only when Hathaway’s gun presses against the back of his head does he realize he wasn’t alone. Char prepares for a lengthy talk, but Hathaway fires his weapon before Char finishes his first sentence. Despite the bullet puncturing his skull, Char doesn’t die instantly. Hathaway silently leaves Char to die in agony. Just before release, Char sees Amuro’s Newtype echo.

Neo Zeon, under the leadership of General Hathaway Noa, survives for six more years, until Char is avenged by his son, Affranchi, in UC 0111, with the help of Amuro’s son, Sol Ray, fighting for the Sidereal Confederation. Sides 1, 2 and 4 gain independence as the State of Zahn, the People’s Democratic Republic of Hatte, and the Kingdom of Moore, respectively.

The Republic of Noa and the Riah Union jointly commission the reconstruction of the old Loum shoal zone as the Frontier Side. In UC 0117, the Crossbone Vanguard takes over the Frontier Side and establishes Cosmo Babylonia. Noa and Riah once again unite to free the Frontier colonies from the Vanguard, but without the cooperation of the remaining Sides, and sometimes even distracted by conflicts with the other Sides, they are unable to stop Cosmo Babylonia’s growth. Riah is purged by the Vanguard’s bugs. Zahn and Munzo surrender and join Cosmo Babylonia. A large number of colonies within Hatte are conquered by the Moon-Moon Caliphate.

>>14853729
After killing the Noa pilot Seabook Arno in battle in UC 0123, Berah Ronah learns of a conspiracy by the Jupiter Empire to prop up Cosmo Babylonia in order to exhaust the independent Sides, preparing for an invasion. Tired of being used as Jupiter’s chess piece, Berah takes her brother Dorel and husband Zabine to the Jupiter Sphere, commanding the Crossbone Vanguard’s Jupiter Suppression Force. They establish a Crossbone Vanguard Jupiter Energy Fleet to rival the Empire’s, after Jupiter denies helium-3 to Cosmo Babylonia and begins supplying energy to the Vanguard’s rival Sides.

In UC 0135, the Jupiter Empire launches an all-out invasion of the Earth Sphere, timing the arrival of their fleet with a simultaneous barrage of precisely-oriented Colony Laser attacks all the way from the Jupiter Sphere to the colonies of Cosmo Babylonia. The Vanguard is unable to prevent the Jupiter Sphere from conquering half of the Earth Sphere, but manages to hang on to most of their own territory. The Jovian-Crossbone War lasts for over fifteen years. Finally, in UC 0154, after a few years of a truce, an anti-aristocratic movement arises in the Frontier I colony. Various Ronahs visiting at the time, including Carozzo, Dorel, and Sherindon, are executed via guillotine. The Crossbone Vanguard, exhausted by years of war and bureaucratic red tape, are unable to prevent the takeover of Cosmo Babylonia by the Queen of Zanscare, who promises to rejuvenate the Earth and return humanity to its Mother by sacrificing the patriarchal Spacenoid elites.

In UC 0155, the last Vanguard-controlled colonies are paralyzed by the Angel Halo. The Jupiter Empire declares war on the Earth Empire, and the Queen of Earth surrenders before a single life can be lost. Observers stated she seemed agitated in her declaration of surrender. She was never seen nor heard from again.

>>14853732
The Grey Emperor, Supreme Leader of Jupiter, had finally established total control over the Earth, Mars, and Jupiter Spheres. He immediately abdicated his throne, stating in a short address to mankind that he had finally achieved his vengeance against “the adults”, and left the Solar System in a colony-turned-generation-ship filled with bio-brain memory clones of himself, and a blue-haired elderly woman. The next fifty years saw the entire Solar System under the stable but totalitarian grip of Jupiter, lead by Empress Shakti Dogatie and enforced by the Death Army under the Shrikeslayer, General Üsso Dogatie. Under the Empress’s orders, the sleeping Earth was nuked with one million bombs, to ensure that it would never rejuvenate, not even after millions or billions of years.

The Jupiter Empire was finally opposed in UC 0209 and UC 0222, first by the terrorist group Metatron led by warlord Ul Ulian, and later by the terrorist group the Illuminati led by warlord Jack Halle. The Jupiter Empire suppressed both, but while focusing forces in the Earth Sphere, they lost control over the Jupiter Sphere. Mankind within the Jupiter Sphere quickly went extinct when the Jupiter Empire restricted the trade of food and supplies to the Earth Sphere. The Jupiter Empire would not lose control over the Earth Sphere until UC 0673, after which mankind entered a posthistorical period.

>>14853725

> Char defeats Amuro in combat

I thought Gundam was a sci-fi, not fantasy?

>>14853596
Amuro won't be able to survive being outnumbered by the NZ suits. Especially after the loss of fin funnels.
The reason Char lost the duel is the weight of circumstances. The hardship of being a leader, family issues, annoying girls running around. Imagine being unable to sleep well, governing the huge militant group, being a public person and taking care of two girls at the same time.

>>14853735
The remaining colonies had become orbital coffins, filled with illiterate warring tribes fighting over artificial land, only occasionally manning ancient Man-Machines and vessels to invade other colonies. The machinery and maintenance systems of the colonies was deteriorating, the mirrors were veering out of alignment with the sun. The atmospheres were becoming toxic and volatile, and the crops were disappearing. To all but a few of the humans, this wasn't a technological problem, but a theological one, solvable by prayer and sacrifice.

One last human, on the run from cannibals, repaired a vessel capable of landing on Earth. She traveled there, seeking the mythical land of Kabakali said to lie on its surface. She roamed the wastelands for days, until finally opening her normal suit's visor, embracing death.

>>14853762
And all that was a dream of a kid.

>>14853761

No, he lost because he is and almost always has been an inferior pilot to Amuro. The only time he was superior is in the first dozen or maybe two episodes of 0079. Once Amuro loses the technological advantage though he has superior skill and never loses it.

>>14853753
Amuro is fighting a three-to-one battle, with Char assisted by Hathaway and Kamille. On top of that, he was grazed by the Psyco Ray before his forces were able to destroy it, so he had pretty much every Newtype ghost in the cosmos telling him that he was a terrible person. Even Lalah.

>>14853761
>Amuro won't be able to survive being outnumbered by the NZ suits.
How many of those suits would still be fighting for NZ, though? A bunch of those guys tried to help stop the drop themselves.

Hell, even if Char did succeed and survive the battle the first thing that would probably happen to him if he showed his face in public is get assassinated by someone who had family back on Earth, if not one of his own troops.

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>>14853469
I doubt the people in the colonies would rally behind Zeon or even Char if he really managed to drop it, this would just show everyone how much of a crazy psychopath he really is since he is willing to kill a entire planet, remember people were already horrified from all the nuke firing and late the fact that half of humanity died, the only one who keep trying to throw colonies and other insane shit are Zeon crazies, every other Side would simply dogpile on him and his forces

And thats not even going into how his own soldiers would turn on him like some already did when they realized the full scope of what they were doing with the Axis

Char would be the first get a bullet through his head since I doubt AE would keep making robots to someone as crazy as that

The only thing I can think of good from it would be that the colonies would rally together as the last remnant of humanity and help whatever survivors from Earth they can

There is literally no scenario where everything goes according to what Char wanted

And then they all get fucked when the Jupiter Empire hears of their stupidity

>>14853729
Oh cool, Thunderbolt stuff.

>>14853789

> Kamille
> helping Char
> after Char drops Axis and starts a war

> Lalah
> calling Amuro a terrible person

You're not helping your case here. You don't even seem to grasp the characters you're talking about.

>>14853792
>bunch
That's it - bunch, not a large group.
Assassination won't solve anything, since there's a lot of Char's supporters around the space. They can figure what to do.
>>14853778
>Inferior pilot
I disagree. The weaker newtype for sure.

>>14853842
Revenge rarely solves anything, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Char's a dead man whether Axis falls or not.

And how many people really want to be associated with 'the guy who caused a global extinction event'? Odds are very likely his supporters will turn on him or be purged.

>>14853469
>Char actually taking responsibilty for his actions rather than fucking off at the first opportunity and leaving everyone else to clean up his mess
>Actually considering putting a Zabi in charge of Zeon
>Giving a shit about Nanai

Stopped reading right there.

>>14853823
Anon, have you ever even watched a single episode of post-CCA Gundam?

Maybe if you had, you'd know that Kamille never fully recovered from his mental injury received at the end of Zeta, which made him more easily manipulatable. On top of that, Fa died a few years before.

As far as Kamille saw it, Char was guilty of starting the Axis Drop, but nothing could undo that, and the Republic of Noa was guilty of ending an era of peace, however sinful that peace was.

>Lalah
>calling Amuro a terrible person
>You don't even seem to grasp the characters you're talking about.
You don't even seem to grasp how the Psyco Ray works. Just another person complaining about a show they probably never even watched.

>>14853879
char is a gud boi who dindu betray anyone in his life

>>14853842
>I disagree. The weaker newtype for sure.
In damn nearly every single one of his duels he got his teeth kicked in, even when he had the Gelgoog he could barely stand his ground and then when he had the Zeong who was a superior machine he got it dismantle only barely managing to destroy the gundam

His only real accomplishment was managing to survive multiple encounters with the gundam

everyone lives in the colonies and lunar cities.

Char really doesn't want to rule. he runs away.

Federation and EFSF remnants break down.

lots of new factions pop up to fight each other for control of the colonies.

Jupiter swoops in to conquer the earth sphere in the middle of the civil war.

lots of newtype teenage boy space magic understanding autism.

earth is repopulated.

Gundams with moon powered satellite cannons are developed to prevent future drops.

>>14854203
Didn't X happen because in the first stages of the war Zeon just decided to unleash every colony they had their hands on? I mean there were dozens in the flashback

>>14853891
Sorry fucking what? So far the only thing post CCA is fucking Unicorn and from what I recall there is NO mention of Fa dying or Kamille never fully recovering.

With the Jupiter Empire now unchallenged, it would encompass humanity.

>>14853613

Your image is from J though.

>>14854406
>So far the only thing post CCA is fucking Unicorn

You forgot F91, Crossbone, and Victory.

>>14854406
>So far the only thing post CCA is fucking Unicorn
Kill yourself.

>>14853349
Sengoku period in space as each Side attempts to become its own government and conquer the other sides.

>>14853469
>Some of them are trying to fight against Neo Zeon army

Most of the Char's neo zeon was wiped out just dropping the colony in the first place. They only had like a couple dozen Geara Doga from the start.

>>14854456

He didn't forget Crossbone, since Crossbone isn't an animation no matter how much people cry about it. And none of those things include Fa dyingregardlesss. Or contradict the end of ZZ, which seems to confirm Kamille physically recovering (his mind had already done so). Or explain why Kamille would care about the people who ended a peace rather than the one who started a war in a really awful attempt at semantics. Or explains why Lalah of all people would call anyone terrible.

Yes, I'm aware of what anon was going for, saying that different events, like Fa's possible death in this new post Axis world would prompt the characters to be different, but there's nothing to suggest that a lot of those differences make any sense.

>>14854517

I wasn't talking about those things, I was just saying that it, F91 and Victory take place after CCA and it's not just Unicorn.

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>>14853349
We already have that, it's called G gundam

>>14853349
Not good, The complete loss of the Earth would put a strain on the economy and with the refugees evacuating to the colonies resources would become scarce.

The psychological effects would be even more devastating with the name of Zeon being cursed as massed murderers of the highest order. There would always be Zeon supporters but the possibility of peace would disappear and future conflicts would become more bloody.

If the involvement of newtypes was uncovered then public opinion on them may be swayed. Some might see them as heroes but more will associate them with the destruction of the Earth and persecute them.

No idea what would happen to Amuro and Char but if they survived they'd be focal points in the ideological wars to come.

>>14854185
Zeong was a superior machine in the hands of a powerful newtype like Lalah. And Char's potential wasn't that developed back then

How fucked is the earth if something as big as Axis fell? We talking nuclear fallout levels?

>>14854837
Well Amuro took out the nukes, so we wouldn't have to worry about radiation.
Axis is like 2km in volume or something right? At least something on the level that fucked up the dinosaurs. Probably wipe out every city at least.

>>14853842
Amuro is a stronger Newtype and a more skilled pilot. There's a reason why people are scared of him and his reputation as the "White Devil" holds more then a decade after the OYW. How does the duel end? With Char's Sazabi dismembered and in tatters while the Nu is barely scoffed up with one glancing beam saber strike on its skirt armor.

>>14854823
No, it was outright said that it was a superior machine and Char sill managed to fuck up, he was better than the Grunt pilots but thats it, he was never on the same level as Amuro

>>14854865
We need Sciencegar back for this

>>14854614
>with the name of Zeon being cursed as massed murderers of the highest order
If killing half of humanity couldn't do that, I can't see why dropping a rock on Earth would hurt their reputation.

>>14853359
>>14853602
>2016
>still believing the 'Everyone in space will become a Newtype!' meme

Even Tomino doesn't believe in that bullshit any,ore. There's a reason why Newtype's are non existant in Turn A and G Reco despite mankind having lived in space for millenia.

In the end, D.O.M.E. was right. Mankind will never be able to move forward into the future until it throws away the word Newtype.

>>14855382
Yeah, only zeeks killed people in OYW
Feddies were playing with puppies and smelling flowers while evil zeon came to kill their waifus. Zeeks were so inhumanly cruel that they even defeated themselves in the end, just because there was no more poor innocent feddies to kill, but they couldn't stop.

>>14854456
>>14854498
I meant directly after CCA. Still I don't recall hearing anything about Kamille not recovering or Fa dying in F91, Crossbone, or Victory.

As far as I know there is not a series that is in UC 0095 or something.

>>14855382
That was a joint effort between the Federation and Zeon though and thats pretty different from razing to the ground their ancestral home, thats one step too many into the realm of murder no one wants to take

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>>14855418
Well then, some people turn into newtypes, and conflicts of the same nature arise, rendering a colony drop completely pointless and actually detrimental to the progress of humanity.

I mean, one has to be kind of delusional to think that nothing wrong will happen if the world is populated by mostly newtypes. Reminder that the one who mind-raped Kamille was not a filthy earthnoid but a "glorious" spacenoid newtype.

Giving too much power to humanity, no matter how much spiritual "understanding" brings, is a mistake, considering we are a race doomed to destroy each other.

>>14855601
I think the problem with Newtypes is that they started appearing during wars and people ended up exploiting then for they abilities leading to then being nothing more than high powered psychos.

The only evolution in gundam anime that didn't end up as raving genociders was the Innovators but that was a century long plan by a quantum computer

>>14854522
And kamille is never mentioned anywhere in those shows fanfic anon is talking out his ass

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>>14855474
Zeon was regularly using WMDs to kill both Earthnoids and Spacenoids, wiping out numerous colonies, an entire continent, the majority of the EFSF fleet, and many other small areas. Comparatively, the Federation blew up some Musais in self-defense. Zeon has about 90% of the responsibility for the deaths.

>>14853795
>And then they all get fucked when the Jupiter Empire hears of their stupidity
This, the fucking Jovian hardliners will absolutely rape them once they realize that with the Federation gone, the colonies lack the military resources to hold off the undamaged Jovian forces. particularly once the Jovians mass produce the Amuro clone brains.

what happens in shin gihrens greed?
doesn't it have a full CCA focused scenario?
what type of altered timelines can you get there?

>>14857455
neo zeon of quess

>>14854513
The loyal colonies have the recruits

>>14855382
That's not really true. Zabi-Zeon is pretty consistently disliked and outright hated in the Earth Sphere. The only ones who seem to like them are the Lunarian Jews (coincidentally the only ones they didn't mass murder the shit out of during the OYW). ZZ shows that even people in Side 3 are fed up of their bullshit. The only Zeon movement that can claim a degree of popular support among the Spacenoids is Char's Neo Zeon, and that is probably due to the fact that Char is the son of Zeon Zum Deikun, an AEUG hero and someone who went around killing Zabis, so he could easily portray his movement as the 'True, Pure Zeon that follows Deikun's ideals' as opposed to the fascist monstrosity that the Zabis turned their Zeon into.

Of course, then Char goes around and tries to kill everyone on Earth via dropping Axis, showing that he's basically no different from Gihren. I like to think that most of Char's support among the Spacenoids evaporated once they realized just what it was he was going to do with Axis and that's the reason why the feared of pro-Char riots in the colonies don't materealise when the Side Garrisson Fleets move to assist Londo Bell.

>>14860350
Support for Zeon nearly disappeared after CCA because of how Char acted, in Unicorn we even see that the bulk of the Sleeves is a bunch of old assholes who managed to outlive the OYW and CCA with the colonies being more or less indiferent to their bullshit, the spacenoids grew tired of the whole Zeon thing when they saw that no matter who was commanding it would simply lead to misery for everyone

We would move to Crossbone Dust era then G Saviour era.

No more Earth, no more EF.

>>14860367
It's bullshit, the Sleeves are just simply too well-equipped to be a bunch of remnants.

They definitely got the backing of someone.

>>14854614
>Not good, The complete loss of the Earth would put a strain on the economy and with the refugees evacuating to the colonies resources would become scarce.
By CCA, the colonies are already self-sustaining and are already supplying the foods with commodities to feed spacenoids.

>>14860382
They had enough jew gold, also that whole thing about the colonists living in squalor was the height of hypocrisy and was meant to show how full of horse shit the whole cause was, they had top of the line MS along with everything needed for a goddamn war while the people they "defended" lived in hell with little food and then they screamed about Federation oppression, at least it showed that Banana didn't buy into their delusion

>>14860387
> with commodities to feed earthnoids*

>>14860367
I;d agree with you, but Full Frontal's Co-Prosperity Sphere plan hinges on the fact that Spacenoids still having trust in Zeon and magically forgetting all those other times Zeon fucked things up for everyone.

>>14860382
The novels state that the Sleeves are backed by politicians in the Republic of Zeon. For some reason the OVA completely omitted the ROZ connection to the Sleeves.

>>14860391
Not really, they had these MS in order to fight and topple the EF.

Without toppling the US, no amount of charity and welfare and help the spacenoids, since the EF vampire will drain all the resources.

>>14860402
It doesn't miss it, even Full Frontal wants Republic of Zeon to be the leading Colony of the Co-Prosperity Sphere.
>magically forgetting all those other times Zeon fucked things up for everyone.
People are fucking practical, even in the real world, people are flocking to far-right parties because the current government is falling them.

>>14860406
>Without toppling the US
I meant the EF, fucking Freudian slip.

>>14853349
It raises the question who would Cosmo Babylonia and the Crossbone Vanguard side with? Considering in about 30 years the Jupiter Empire would rise and realize Char just made their plans easier.

>>14853891
Moon Crisis isn't canon.

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Let’s be real,
The Earth Federation Government would have just relocated to the Moon. The EFSF would still be in one piece, and after losing earth, the Feddy government wouldn’t mind for a second using the full force of their navy on Char’s Zeon. Char gets crushed without mercy. After this you end up with a much harder line federation government, likely titans like. This will create purge trials and all kinds of nasty things any time someone even mentions anything about independence for the sides. Outside of the general and justified destruction of Carthage style wipe out of all things Zeonic, the federation would have a shitload of problems to face. The most glaring being a massive refugee crisis to deal with. They simply wouldn't have the means to produce food the way they used to. For the common Spacenoid citizen and Earthnoid refugee we're looking at hard rationing until the UC 0120s, when new colonies like frontier IV come online.

>>14860585
cont
The Crossbone Vanguard/Cosmo Babylonia probably emerges still. Their leadership would probably come from the moon. They would have the right connections, and have the right rich people in their ranks to keep themselves flying under the radar of the federation. This keeps them from being wiped out before they can really stop. Their main goal likely becomes that it's their noble duty to lead humanity out of this dark period. Ultimately, they would probably lose in a similar fashion to the way they did in the film. However, they will seem less evil since there is no reason for bugs considering the earth is already empty.

Jovians should be interesting since the main source of their rage is Earth sphere having a nicer home compared to their homes. I doubt it makes much of a deference to their story to be honest.

Zanscare would probably be destroyed before it could really get off the ground. This would happen because they represent a highly noticeable threat from inside the side. They're led by a crazy mother cult instead of rich people with their shit relatively together. This kind of group isn’t going to go unnoticed by a Feddy government that still has people in living memory of losing the earth. They just aren’t going to tolerate that kind of shit.
Future would suck.

On other notes I imagine Amuro would retire with Chen.

Earthnoids become refugees, side 3 hegemony til Jupiter moves in and conquers the earth sphere

>manga spin offs are totally Canon guys!!!
Oh fuck off

>>14860414

What countries have people flocking to far right countries?

>>14854612
Fucking awesome.

>>14860432
Zeon HEGEMONY!

>>14860909
Germany, France, UK, Russia, USA.

Though, "far-right" nowadays just means anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism.

>>14860979
Serbia, Hungary too.

>>14860984
Philipines and Austria.

>>14854226
I always thought that as well
X was basically a wink wink nudge nudge at how things would play out if everyone took the nuke option right from the start

>>14860985
>>14860984
>>14860979
eh what nations are these nationalist going to? just wondering.

not that i'm a nazi or anything nope.

What wouldn't happen if Char had won:
The stagnation and decay of the Federation. The process have started even before CCA, but with the destruction of EF there would be new administration.
The Crossbone Vanguard crisis. Due to the needs of defeating the EFSF remnants, all the weapon selling channels would be controlled, so there can be no PMC becoming a real weapon.
Zanscare war. There would be no reason for the cult to be established.

>>14853349
https://youtu.be/RIbfxMlOC40

>>14860979

Eh, even then I'd argue that it's mostly older people and those in rural areas voting that way because of a lack of exposure to the things they're voting against and that sometimes it's a protest vote rather than anything else. Brexit famously having examples of people of voted for it and then immediately regretted it when the vote actually went through, because they voted in favor of it simply because they thought it would never happen, that a single vote couldn't make a difference and so on.

But yea, it certainly doesn't seem to be anything as extreme as fascism or communism.

>>14853716
Bravo

>>14861004
Their own nations.

They are trying to take control back into their hands.

>>14861433
>Eh, even then I'd argue that it's mostly older people and those in rural areas voting that way because of a lack of exposure to the things they're voting against
They know all about it and they are against it, it's the younger people in the city who are blind.
>Brexit famously having examples of people of voted for it and then immediately regretted it when the vote actually went through,
That is bullshit without proof. In fact, the current British PM is under fire for not taking Brexit fast enough.

>>14860414
>the current government doesn't listen to crazy idiots
>BAWWWW THE GUBMENT DOESN'T SERVE THE PEOPLE TEAR IT DOWN

How much are they paying you to shitpost, Sergei?

>>14862784
Define "crazy idiot".

>>14862784
If the current government doesn't serve the will of the people, then the point of government is already lost.

>>14862788
A republic elects an individual to represent the interests of a larger group, not be the group's mouthpiece.

>>14862778

> They know all about it and they are against it

It's literally impossible for them to know all about it since many of them don't live and work in close proximity to people of other races and cultures. If you want to argue they're right, more power to you even if I disagree, but they cannot know all about them since they are acting off second hand knowledge in many cases.

> That is bullshit without proof.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-bregrexit-i-voted-for-brexit-and-now-i-realise-what-a-terrible-mistake-i-made-a7104181.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html
http://time.com/4381464/vote-leave-regret-referendum/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/im-full-of-regret---extraordinary-moment-brexit-voter-changes-he/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/24/british_voters_regretting_their_decisions_a_roundup.html

That's just a couple of hits from a Google search. I'm sure there's others. I'm by no means claiming that the majority of Leave voters felt or feel that way, but there were certainly some and acting like it's just a myth is just being silly. The second link at the least has a video including several direct clips of people talking about their regret and voting in protest due to feelings of being ignored is a common theme among those stories.

> In fact, the current British PM is under fire for not taking Brexit fast enough.

And that's almost entirely from Europeans who want to punish Britain and get them out and from British who want it done and dusted so that they can see whether it ends up a good or bad thing in result instead of theory.

>>14853349
It's hard to say exactly how things would have gone down had the rock dropped. The Crossbone Vanguard most likely would not have formed due to the lack of Kenneth Siegs funding after Hathaways Flash.

Jupiter would be able to increase Helium-3 energy prices without a competitive market, which has the possibility of the Neo Zeon government to try and pull the same trick the Federation did with Crux Dogatie, by having a spy allow herself to be impregnated by the leader of Jupiter, and then using the child to become the new proxy leader of Jupiter and to alter the pricing of Helium-3 to the desires of the government.

Honestly though, I could see Char eventually deciding to set up for war with Jupiter, the true enemy of humanity in U.C if Crossbone and Victory are anything to go by.

>>14863083
>The Crossbone Vanguard most likely would not have formed due to the lack of Kenneth Siegs funding after Hathaways Flash.
Do we have any reason to believe that Kenneth was a vital factor in the CV's creation, or did he just push it along? The Buch Concern was a manufacturing giant before he was born, after all. Also, do we have firm proof that he is connected to the CV, after all? I know there are a couple notes on wikis and different places quoting a Gundam Fix Figuration series of designs, but for all I know that was just one person filling in the blanks left by Tomino.

>Jupiter would be able to increase Helium-3 energy prices without a competitive market
What is the competitive market you're referring to? The moon is another source of helium-3, but it's still there. Then there's the other gas and ice giants. Or do you just mean that it was the political and military pressure of the EF keeping the Jovians from doing whatever they want, even though the Jupiter Energy Fleet had been an independent party since before UC 0001?

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>>14862924
I'd hate to be that guy, but those sources aren't exactly unbiased. Plus, if you actually followed brexit, you would have seen a lot of infamous post on social media where young people said "I should have voted" when they found out leave won. I'm not saying that people don't regret it. But the problem is, all media serves an agenda, and you must recognize that agenda, there is no such thing as unbiased. Remember, prior to brexit, virtually all polls said that it wouldn't happen period. I would argue though that in this day and age it is possible to be informed despite primary physical exposure due to the prevalence of the internet. Even then however. you must understand, except for some remote rural areas with less then a hundred people, in the UK immigrants have moved all over, and can be found even in the suburbs and in some rural areas, so to say they had no knowledge is extreme.
Going back to the point this conversation became a tangent of though, many people feel their government has failed them, even if it is an unjustified feeling. Despite genuine efforts by the British to bury the hatchet and allowing the IRA a legal means to have northern Ireland leave the UK, and likewise, despite the IRA trying to make amends and former members becoming more legitimate, the people of northern Ireland still cling to both the radical elements of the IRA and the Ulster paramilitary groups. Despite it being almost a contradiction, the UK has taken measures to answer the demands of both groups, yet both groups are still gaining membership.
That being said, is it unreasonable for people to side with Zeon post CCA, even if it is not a strong group and they might have been able to get what they wanted, for most it seemed to be either an extension of the autonomy of the republic of Zeon or to secure its independence, or the colonies to be given more attention and legal representation, via more legal methods. When people feel desperate they become desperate.

>>14865949

> those sources aren't exactly unbiased.

Be that guy all you want, but pointing out they media has bias doesn't make the accounts they retell fake or discredit the stories of the people they interview.

> you must recognize that agenda

I do. What I don't recognize is how those media outlets having an agenda takes anything away from people regretting voting to leave. They might be more inclined to tell certain stories or to seek them out, but that doesn't mean those stories are in any way distrustful in and of themselves.

> except for some remote rural areas with less then a hundred people, in the UK immigrants have moved all over, and can be found even in the suburbs and in some rural areas, so to say they had no knowledge is extreme.

I never said they had no knowledge about it, only that they didn't know all about them since even in towns that count Muslims or Asians or whatever among their population many people don't speak to them or work with them on any kind of regular basis and distance themselves from them in normal life, whether knowingly or otherwise. You could go through a lot of traditional towns in the UK and never know they didn't have non-British residents because there's so little evidence of them.

> yet both groups are still gaining membership

The IRA might be famous as a terrorist group, but they're much less powerful nowadays and mostly geared toward legitimate political agendas though Sinn Fein. As are the Ulster Unionists. I don't know if they're going up in membership since I haven't checked it out, but even if they are, that's not to say that the people joining want to kill British or are jonsing for some far right political agenda - just that they want a united Ireland or to remain British. Neither of which are inherently far right views, and more predicated on religious and historical backgrounds - because that's what those groups have always been about.

>>14855382
Remember that both sides lost half their respective populations. This was due to the reckless usage of nuclear weapons on both sides.

The destruction of the Earth would become more infamous because of the lower death rate. You'd have more angry refugees and anytime somebody looked out the window towards the earth they'd be reminded of what Neo-Zeon did. Additionally, the loss of irreplacible cutural works and landmarks would perpetuate the hatred far after the people forgot about the deaths.

>>14860387
Yes, but only marginally so and the colonies are under population control as is as revealed by recent Gundam Thunderbolt issues. Refugees would exacerbate already critical population pressures and while the colonies would certainly be able to sustain such a population during late UC, it would be a strain.

>>14866176
>Remember that both sides lost half their respective populations.
Wasn't that a mistranslation, especially since Side 3 never saw combat at all?

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>>14866251
Yes. They corrected that line in later DVD releases.

>>14866027
The issue is, the IRA is not a single group, yes, the IRA groups of the troubles has focused on being legitimate, but there are splinter groups who did not accept the good Friday agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Irish_Republican_Army
As well, you still have Ulster loyalist groups that conduct terrorist attacks and do not agree with the truce
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hand_Defenders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Ulster_Freedom_Fighters
While the IRA might not be right wing in a simple sense, many of them are anti-degeneracy to the point that the Real IRA merged with a group that attacks drug dealers and IRA members have attacked Muslim immigrants, as well, the Ulster loyalist have ties with various neo-nazi and other ultra-nationalist groups.
Both groups are nationalist, albeit the IRA is not an ultra-nationalist group (nationalism has been demonized in the west but I use nationalism in the sense of both pride in ones nation and wanting sovereignty for your nation).
Even though both have perfectly legal means to obtain their goal (either having northern Ireland stay or leave and ensuring the protection of their respective nations) they still choose to fight and both sides claim their acts of violence are done defensively.
In much the same way, even if the spacenoids could obtain their goals through legitimate legal means, they are still attracted to Full Frontal's neo-zeon group

>>14866311
I forgot to point out too, in Unicorn, they even have a scene where Ple 12 (I forgot her name) takes Banagher to an old church and she points out that the ideology of Zeon has essentially become a religion in the sense that it gives the people of the colonies hope.

>>14866330
Hope that if they Believe™ they won't be the next ones gassed?

>>14866332
I mean it is the same reason why people still cling to religion today despite atheist trying to disprove religion since antiquity. It gives them a sense of purpose and hope that life will turn out for the better, the colony where the scene takes place is supposed to be a slum. Imagine growing up in a shitty community rife with crime and corruption and feeling like you have no power and could never change anything. Now imagine one day someone tells you that by joining their group and doing what they ask of you, you will change the world for the better. Imagine too he has proof that, as far as you can tell, is legitimate; likewise, his words speak to your soul, they tell you that you are important, that you have a place in his plan, and that his plan will make your community better.
That is how Zeon is essentially a religion to those people.

>>14866429
I assume they leave out that part where their guiding light murdered half of humanity for shits and giggles?

>>14866311

You know, I'd be real interested now in seeing where you're pulling the idea the IRA or the Real IRA's membership is on the rise from - because putting aside that they're a terrorist organisation and aren't going to publish numbers, they are, like you say, an off-shoot and the regular IRA and most of their opponents have been quiet and pursuing more legal means for the last two decades or so. Even the Real IRA's activities are normally pretty tame affairs and mostly consist of scaring people via phoned in (real, not hoaxed) bomb threats where advance warning is enough to clear the area or exploding bombs when no-one is hurt - just conceivably could be.

They are nationalist, and they do share a common link with Spacenoids via religion, but I wouldn't be using them or their activities as proof that people are looking more to far-right parties like the original point was - because they don't share any real sensibilities with far-right groups, and mostly just want their nation to be their own (or part of Britain in Ulster Unionists cases) and not to kick any people out, stop immigration, impose harsher laws, military doctrine or what have you.

>>14866743
I'll admit, most of what I've seen from the IRA side is putting two and two together.Obviously they won't publish data, but it is a combination of mergers with other groups and seeing videos of the groups over the years with larger bodies of people.
As well, with the Ulster, it is again of combination of support from Scottish neo-nazi groups and reading about the size of parades growing over the years.
I don't have any hard proof, but it is logical jumps from mergers, the size of parades growing, and more buildings putting up iconography showing their support or that they are lodges.

>>14866791

What years are you looking over? Because I guarantee you the IRA and major Ulster Unionist movements had more members late 19th and Early 20th Century than they do now. And almost certainly had more members in the 70s, 80s and early 90s when the troubles were at their worst than they or any of their off shoots do now as well. Those groups might have more members now than they did 10 years ago, but that's probably because they're siphoning members from other groups that have become less extremist (like the IRA) at least as much as because those groups are becoming more popular in the decade or so since. And that still doesn't put people joining those groups as evidence of people seeking the far-right because their governments are failing them.

>>14866913
Between late nineties and today.
With the IRA itself, it isn't far right, but it is people seeking an alternative because they feel their government is failing them.
Though with the Ulster loyalist groups, they are objectively far right, and people join them because they feel the government is not doing enough to keep the republican groups in check in northern Ireland, so they take up arms themselves.

Due to the internet, it is hard to properly tell how many people seek the far right due to feeling that the government failed them. Aside from the obvious rise of nazi germany, in the U.S. there have been several minor groups like sovereign citizen and christian identity, though I don't know if they are still gaining members or if the Oklahoma city bombing resulted in too much stigmatization of the radical far-right in the U.S.