Shin Godzilla: Shinagawa-kun edition

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Great Godzilla movie, or greatest Godzilla movie?

>>14847432
better than GMK and the Kiryu movies, fight me

>>14847452
Everything's better than GMK.

The only thing I really disliked about the movie was the final sequence. It was hype to hear the Ifukube march but defeating Godzilla with military weapons is no good and the fact that it takes place in broad daylight makes it actually seem kind of neutered in comparison to the preceding night destruction scene.
The characters weren't nearly as good as Anno's usual stuff either but still, this is a more plot driven story and it's pretty great at being that.

>>14847478
They didn't defeat him with military weapons, they did it with civilian vehicles and trains. The military was there but only as a distraction.

>>14847481
Yeah I should've said "human inventions." The Oxygen Destroyer was great because it was thematically the one thing we'd made that could possibly have been worse than the atomic bomb. The entire character arc with Serizawa developed it into something that felt worthy to take down Godzilla back then, you know?
Still, it's not too big of a knock on Shin. It's pretty obvious given the ending shot that the operation was only a temporary success.

post autism waifu plz

>>14847325
>least favorite thing about favorite movie
GMK would have been better with Varan and Anguirius instead of Ghidorah and Mothra. Then the three guardian beasts would have been similar appearance wise, and also have a cool sky, surface, underground thing going.
>favorite part about leash favorite movie
Gabara is actually pretty cool. I like that he has an energy attack that isn't a breath weapon.

>>14847470
>Everything's better than GMK.
Very wrong.
GMK is at least third best.

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>>14847605
>thats debatable
not really

Shin just became my favorite godzilla movie (although it shares #1 spot with the original). It works on so many levels. I really enjoyed all the political satire/commentary on Japanese politics. The movie was really good and godzilla himself was a nice addition to the movie. I love that godzilla is treated as a methapor in this one, instead of being just a monster. The fact that Anno made it, makes it even better (I have watched Eva 6 times and really love it).

>>14847605
>can I please get a Godzilla movie where Godzilla is the main character???

No, because, it isn't, nor ever was a character in the 1st place, nor were any of the movies ever, TRULY about it.
The movies were always and always will be about people, and their quality is directly proportional to how well the cast is realized.
Gojira 1954 isn't deemed THE BEST(Tho apparently it was just barely beaten, by a couple hundred votes, by Vs. Biollante in some large poll ran by some magazine a year or two ago, during Shin's production run - go figure), because MUH LIZARD, but because how well the cast works and how well the story flows and delivers its drama.

Godzilla itself is just a mood-setter and plot device to galvanize the cast and provide destruction porn.

What you're asking for is a damn video game.

>>14847634
I enjoyed G14's screentime more, personally. They where able to cram a ton of Godzilla into those scenes.

Shin on the other hand, while neat, felt short.
The big lull after the laser scene didn't help either.

>>14847697
I really love that movie, it's one of my favorites.

>>14847730

I gotta disagree. Shin in spots to me felt like the movie that 2014 was initially supposed to be.

>>14847736
Its easily the best heisei.

I mean, yeah, the plot is all over the damn place but the directing, cinematography, effects and editing make up for it.

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>>14847743
Indisputably the best (films) in the franchise. Next best three are Mothra vs Godzilla, Ghidorah, and Monster Zero.

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I had to drive an hour out to see this movie yesterday and I ended up being about 5 minutes late. I walked in just as Kamata-kun's tail was emerging from the bay, did I miss anything significant from before then?

>>14847730
Shin's screentime is much better because they don't fucking cockblock you with it

>oh shit, godzilla's here and he's gonna fight the muto! that roar is so good!
>smash cut to military wife watching a small part of the fight on a tv

WHY

>>14847765
>smash cut to military wife watching a small part of the fight on a tv
>and then turn the camera away from the tv

>>14847753
>Ghidorah
That's a pretty shit film senpai.

>>14847743
Agreed, the music really stands out in my mind too. Like the Super X2 theme.

For some reason, GMK doesn't do it for me. It lacks the atmosphere and genuine sense of magic/dread that Kaneko brought to Gamera.

>>14847753
For real. Those three are Honda's, Sekizawa's and Tsuburaya's best films.

>>14847757
Just the Coast Guard investigating that Professor's missing boat and a waterfall of blood, nothing major

>>14847753
Honestly, I like Returns and Destroyah after those three.

Last did a Godzilla watch last year and enjoyed a lot of the films. But after watching Shin, I've gone back and watched my favourites. (1954, GMK, Returns, Destroyah, ToMG, GaMG) and nothing even comes close. Shin Godzilla is a movie on a whole other fucking level. I'm going to the cinema again today to watch it.

I'm actually worried about the inevitable sequel that is obviously now in pre-production. I doubt it will be able to live up to Shin and i'm worried they're going to go cheesy Sentai inspired Toho with it like I'm sure they want to do.

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>there are people in this thread who got to watch Shin Godzilla not once, but TWICE

>>14847810
Here in Australia it's got a wide release in cinema's with 5 showings every day at every cinema around me.

>>14847810
I'm going to go again. I'm sorry anon, I really do feel for you.

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>>14847325
>least favorite thing about favorite movie
Invasion of the Astro Monster actually has the least amount of Godzilla screentime of any film in the series.

>favorite thing about least favorite movie.
The dubbing in Godzilla's Revenge is hilarious and the guy in Spacegodzilla who was trying to kill godzilla to avenge his brother who died in Godzilla vs. Biollante was cool even though it horribly contradicts the timeline reset from G vs. KG.

>>14847822
I'm surprised Biollante is so high. The battles in that film are over so fucking quick.

>>14847802
I've always found Return of Godzilla and Destoroyah to be middling films. Betrayed by their lackluster human components and weak direction. The human casts of Honda's films just work so well. And of course Tsyubara's monster action and Ikufube's music are great.

>>14847717
>Tho apparently it was just barely beaten, by a couple hundred votes, by Vs. Biollante in some large poll ran by some magazine a year or two ago

Those people have good taste.

Question for you guys.

What is the most overrated Godzilla monster and what is the most overrated Godzilla film in your opinion?

>>14847795
It was pretty mean-spirited in places (The girl in the hospital scene, for instance).

Baragon is cutest Kaiju, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8-mXOuf1_0

>>14847846
1.Godzilla
2.Gojira (1954)

>>14847846
Ghidorah or Rodan.

Said in the other thread, but it was a weird experience. Enjoyed the humans more than Goji itself.

>>14847812
I'm actually really surprised it was playing close to me, in Socal. The inland empire doesn't get too much of that as far as I know. I want to go again, but I don't know if anyone else does. I just might go by myself.

Anywhere I can download or stream this yet? I live a tiny ass town and the nearest showing is like 2 hours away. Subbed or not isn't important.

>>14847846
Monster: Ghidorah, he gets his fucking ass murdered by Godzilla every time, also his films are overrated as fuck.

Runner up: Mothra, actually my favourite as a kid, but these days, I can't get past how utterly fragile moths actually are, especially her wings.

Overrated film: Biollante. I struggle to sit through this honestly, it's like, supposed to have a more horror movie feel, yet it's just so outrageously cheesy and is filled to the brim with terribad english which completely clashes with the serious, horror tone the movie is actually trying to go for.

>>14847822
>even though it horribly contradicts the timeline reset from G vs. KG.

What reset?
They didn't change a thing, it's their intervention that actually created the second Godzilla in the first place.
It's Bootstrap Paradox, a variant of a hypothetical stable time loop.

Unlike the usual Hollywood time travel shenanigans, it actually uses an actual theoretical model, and because it tends to make the audience heads hurt, due it being difficult to comprehend time as at least Planar instead of Linear - it's rarely used.
Usually it finds its place in harder sci-fi films, with less focus on fantasy and more on scientific concepts - like: 12 Monkeys, Predestination, OG Terminator etc.

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Last showing in my area is tomorrow. Plan to watch it with some friends. I was thinking that the two theaters would have them play once per day. Really strange times for the last one. I think it was Saturday at 1:00 PM.

>>14847822
Wasn't G vs KG a separate timeline from the rest of the Heisei movies?

>>14847325
Why didn't they press B to cancel evolution?

>>14847938
They were worried about the homeless.

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>>14847786
No. Your opinion is, m8. Ghidorah is one of the best in the series.

>>14847822
I honestly keep forgetting about Godzilla's screentime in Astro Monster. It feels way longer.

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>>14847993
I just watched it yesterday (working through all the movies I havent seen yet or barely remember), it's not. Also,
>that scream the alien made when the two astronauts turned on the sound device
Jesus Christ that was unsettling

>>14847989
Whoa, that pic...

>>14847810
Three times here. Looking to make it a fourth tomorrow.

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>>14847812
>>14847812
>>14848016

>>14847810
It's still running in NYC. I might see it again.

>>14847989
HE LIVES IN YOU
HE LIVES IN ME
HE WATCHES OVER
EVERYTHING WE SEE

>>14848006
Eh, It's probably my most watched G-Film and it still never hits me that he's in it for 5 minutes till after the fact.

>>14847846
>overrated monster
Rodan, there's nothing particularly interesting about him other than him being able to fly fast.
>movie
Godzilla vs King Ghidorah.

>>14847846
Mothra
Godzilla vs. Mothra
Mothra is complete trash

>>14847832
True enough about Biollante battles, but there are also military engagements a plenty, and an at least 4 minute worth of screen time Osaka rampage.

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Probably the most powerful shot in the entire Godzilla franchise imo.

>>14848183
Remembers me to G2000

>>14848183
The best shot was the frontal view

>>14847846
>overrated Godzilla monster
Destoroyah, awkward, edgy and hilariously bulky design, with a suit so THICC, that it can't even actually walk, or even move for that matter, save for flailing its forearms.
The tryhard edge is so sharp, that one might cut himself open

>most overrated Godzilla film
GMK, it's not shit, far from it - it easily cracks the top 10, but i just can't see the same thing that people hailing it as a Second Coming do.

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>>14848193

>>14848212
Ye

I'm a little disappointed we didn't get to see what the hypothetical winged Shin Godzilla evolution would have looked like.

>>14847846
>overrated Godzilla monster
I agree with >>14848195

>overrated Godzilla film
I dunno, there's several movies I'm not too crazy for but are otherwise well loved by the wider fandom. But even these have aspects I like about them. So I'll choose Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster. Apart from a few monster scenes, this one really did nothing for me, the human plot especially. Astro-Monster is such a step-up.

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>>14848227

Would you eat Katama-Kun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JkWJDjaUv8

>>14848252
This is from what was shown on Jap TV sadly.

>>14848227
>sequel
>artbooks
>Monsterarts
>production sketches

Give it time, we will see it in some form ... one day.

>>14848242
>Seven vs Musou Goji

What sorcery is this?

So, what do you want from the Godzilla anime? What kind of story?

>>14848288
Seeing as Urobutcher is writing it I expect top tier zetsubou

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>>14848288
>What kind of story?
Couple of routes to go.

>Godzilla Power Hour/Godzilla the Series Route
Just a MOTW show with higher production.

Have a team of cliche anime archetypes using Godzilla to fight classic kaiju.

Like Dai Guard with a giant monster instead of the mech. Make it full of mythology gags too.

>Horror Route
Slowly ramp things up like Shin did. Play it off like Godzilla, Kingdom of Monsters. Have a heavy human focus with short, punchy kaiju climaxes.

Show the effect it has on the world.

>Build Fighters/Dragon Ball Heroes Route

Little kids take special coins containing powerful kaijus. They battle in tournament and team style battles in an online game.

The kaijus level up with time, gaining new abilities and eventually evolving.

>MC with godzilla
>Tsundere love interest with Mothra
>Edgy Best friend uses Anguirus
>Fat kid with Caesar
>Spiral Glasses with Moguera
>evil team has Gigan, Hedorah, and Ghidorah
>final boss is Mecha-G
>over time Godzilla unlocks Burning super mode
>ends with fight against Destroyah fused with Orga
>Charles Barkley is Mr. Ral

>>14848288
high tech stuff + the aliens
doesn't seem too off from the studio

>>14848252
Torrent/Streams of this movie are notoriously difficult to find. I'm glad I watched it in theaters :^)

>>14848318
The anime is going to be a Sci-Fi film, so none of those could work.

So, anons
Who will know?

>>14847753
So far, this.
I need advice guys, I've watched G 1954, Ghidorah : the three headed monster, Return of G, G vs Biollante, G vs King Ghidorah, GMK, 2014, and Shin.
Which should I watch next?

>>14848399
I feel sad for Godzilla. He's just lost

>>14848405
The Godzilla Jr saga is a must watch if you want Godzilla at his best, characterization wise.

>>14847810
Going next Monday.
I feel... wealthy. Though I still wish we got theater exclusive shit

>>14847810
My friend and I are seeing it for the first time tomorrow night.

>>14848417
>Holy fuck these things keep attacking me.
>I literally just mastered waking, I can't defend myself.
>Unless...
>The forbidden move.

>>14848417
>>14848428
So Goro Maki's mind being in ShinG theory is bullshit, right?

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>>14848405
Patrician taste.

And Mothra vs Godzilla (1964)

>>14848437
Nothing really disputes it, especially since it was pretty damn determined to attack Japan for no actual reason, especially since they figured out he got more than enough energy from the sun.

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>>14848418
> MechaGodzilla II
> SpaceGodzilla
> Destoroyah
> Any of these being must watch

>>14848441
Godzilla seemed to be more aloof than anything. Minding his own business until getting provoked. Not really a malevolent force. Simply just doesn't fit in the world.

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>>14848428
>AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH
>MY SPINE. THEY BOMBED MY SPINE
>I'm getting sick of this shit.
>Just can't evolve in goddamn peace these days, can I? I just want to go see America
>That's it.
>Forgive me father for I have sinned!
>BWWWWWWWWWEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>14848463
I agree on SpaceGodzilla, but you're not right in the head if you think MechaGodzilla II and Destroyah aren't must watches, especially the latter.

>>14847938
Because then he learns more powerful moves earlier on.

>>14848463
MechaGodzilla II and Destoroyah are great.

SpaceGodzilla not so much

>>14848405
Well you'll need to continue the Return of G, G vs Biollante, G vs King Ghidorah timeline. Either watch Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2 or rush to the end with Godzilla vs Destroyah

>>14848428
>>14848473
AVADA KEDAVRA

>>14848428
>>14848473
I'm surprised anno didn't make a remix of "The Beast" for that moment. Though the OST for that scene is already perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ghR5emVBps

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>>14848405
If you liked the tone of Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster and are a fan of the 60's space age aesthetic, you should check out Invasion of the Astro Monster.

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>>14848405
Son of Godzilla

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>>14848405
Mothra vs Godzilla (aka Godzilla vs The Thing), King Kong vs Godzilla, the rest of the Heisei, and then 2000.

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The /vp/ thread was nice lads.

>>14847478
Well he really isn't defeated, he is just frozen in place. He will get out eventually, and you can't say he wont because that ending left it way open for a sequel.

>>14848437
If i remember right, didn't a few of the characters play with the idea in the film?

>>14848183

Yep, especially when you consider specifically what he destroyed. He didn't just kill the pm and his cabinet, but Minato and Chuo ward are huge business sectors and they also showed various government buildings in Chiyoda ward like the cabinet building, pm's residence, the diet building, and implicitly the imperial palace. Combined with the song lyrics, you can read Godzilla as a vengeful god, unleashing the rage of the victims of Fukushima by destroying the very people who ruined their lives.

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>>14848405
mothra vs godzilla (make absolute sure its 1964 and NOT 1992), destroy all monsters, godzilla vs mechagodzilla 1974, terror of mg, biollante, and godzilla x mechagodzilla

the heisei time peaks with the first 2

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In no particular order.

>>14848961
Also what was great little node to the original was when it destroyed the clock tower in the gun a district, just like 1954

>>14849002

I didn't even remember that, thanks for pointing it out. I never bothered to look in detail, but is the clock at 8:15? Because that's when time stopped in Hiroshima. Obviously the scenes took place at night but I'm curious now.

>>14849002
>gun a
GINZA, fuck

>>14849012
Idk, it's hard to tell especially with the low quality vids
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dBL8KZ-GdRg

But I wouldn't be surprised if it is, iirc I read somewhere that the whole scene was supposed to be a callback to the damage that the bomb caused

>>14848860
the fuck is this

>>14849023
Irys from gamera 3

I'd do anything for a camrip. Literally anything.

Anything.

Can someone gimme a direct link or torrent for the OST please ?

>>14848288
The Butcher is writing it, so Godzilla was humans all along.

>>14847325
I'm glad Kamata isn't the only one getting attention, Shinagawa-kun was cute too with his stubby little arms. Tragically little screentime though.

>>14849150
It's literally on Youtube.

>>14849183
Thank you but that's not the point.

So to be clear, '54 never happened in the Shin universe, right?

>>14849205
Yeah, total reboot.

>>14849206
Okay. That threw me for a loop. I went in with the assumption that the new movie worked liked all the rest, with the original having happened and everything else branching off. Only until sometime into the movie that it dawned on me what the deal was.

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> Gojira ends shortly after suicide and Shin Godzilla begins shortly after what is heavily implied to be suicide
Bravo, Anno

>>14849077
Anything?

>>14848860


Did they ever rerelease the NA Blu-Rays for Heisei Gamera? I bought the trilogy in like 2011 or 2012 and the subtitles were fucked up a lot in the first movie and just stopped towards the end of 3.

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>>14849252

Fuck, I didn't even catch that

>>14849311
They had a program where you send the cover of the Gamera 3 Blu-Ray to Mill Creek (the distributors) and they gave you a copy without the fucked up subtitles.

>>14849363
>>14849311
Wait, fucked up how? I bought the trilogy on Blu ray, but I didn't notice anything fucked up. Though, it was my first time watching the movies, so who knows what I may not have noticed.

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>>14847850
>There's even a cute girl in the cute kaiju

>>14847765
Hopefully the next movies won't have that.
Despite being a "set-up" movie those cut-away shots were terrible, and for what? More boring people I don't care about because the main character died during the first portion of the movie?

>>14848990
Honestly, I would put Terror of Mechagodzilla and vs. Destoroyah over Astro Monsters and Biollante.

I do not get the fandom around vs. Biollante. I found it dreadfully boring and slow, and the actual fight was very underwhelming. Of course, this was Hesei, the era of lame fights. Only thing top tier about Biollante was the music. Scramble March is amazing.

>>14849441
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wanda-unveils-plans-8-billion-939003
BASED CHINESE OVERLORDS

>>14849464
>Pacific Rim 2
Huh, didn't even know that was announced.
But holy shit hollywood is fucking engorging itself on China.

>>14849369

>so who knows what I may not have noticed

I don't remember specifics, but you'd have to be Hellen Keller not to notice the shit subs on 3.

When did you buy it?

>>14849553
They were fixed after a while though.
I have the shit version anyway.

>>14849559

So the Showa+Heisei box on Amazon will have correct subs on 3?

It shouldn't. But you could ask them in Facebook to be sure.

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>2014 Godzilla will never be like this
>https://vimeo.com/146985673
Shin atmosphere is really close to first 2014 concept trailer. Why Hollywood sucks cocks?

>>14849553
>Worrying about subs
>Not worrying about whether it includes the redneck dub of Gamera 2

>>14849590
I really wish G14 got a deeper roar, the high-pitched screech is just stupid for his size

>>14849553
Sometime around when Legendary was getting close to release, so 2013-14 I guess.

>>14849599
Does it, I still have the adv dvds and that's the only thing holding me back from buying the Blu Ray versions

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>>14849590
Could always watch vs Hedorah

>>14849608
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>>14847634
>belching fire turning into a goddamn laser
That is fucking cool.

>>14847850
i always wondered if the director called for her to do that so like the SE people knew where to add in the roar or if she was just having fun

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>>14848990
I'd knock either Return of Godzilla or Destoroyah out for Hedorah. And Godzilla 2000 (American cut) is underappreciated. It's one of the best gateways into the franchise.

>>14849077
>I'd do anything for a camrip. Literally anything.

Go and record one. There, you have your camrip. :^)

>>14848405
How about you watch them all in order you fucking faggot

>>14849706
No need to be rude anon. It's fine to jump around, but he might as well continue the storyline he seems to be following.

>>14848614
Better with ode to joy or komm susser todd.

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>>14847846
Monster is destroyah, he's nice looking but he's super bulky and everyone acts like he's the end all be all enemy

Movie is King Kong vs godzilla, it's hailed by many as a classic but it's just so poorly down especially compared to theone before and right after. I feel it's only held up because honda and Tsuburaya worked on it.

>>14849819
Which version did you watch? The American or Japanese cut?

>>14849823
Both

The Japanese version definetly improves from not having stock music or the American actors, but it still doesn't do anything for me minus the godzilla suit

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A little bit of You Can (Not) Redo got into Shin Godzilla. See the bonus song "Famously" from 3.0's OST and pic related. And I loved that scene, it really drove home the frustration and despair Yaguchi must have felt after Godzilla annihilated a huge chunk of the capital.

>>14849613
Unfortunately not, Mill Creek only includes the subbed versions of the films

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>>14849829
Yeah. It and DAM are the two weakest films the pair worked on together.

I think I'm going to go see this movie tonight. In your opinion, would the experience be improved by smoking a bowl beforehand?

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lol wat

>>14849948
Have fun falling asleep ten minutes in.

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>>14849948
Watch it sober.

>>14849948
I hate watching movies stoned.

>>14849948
go for it

any camrips for this film up anywhere? being bong is suffering

>>14849964
Is who I think it is in that suit?

>>14848183
Real good parallel to the corresponding scene in 54, too

>>14848405
>watch next
Godzilla 64 vs mothra. Best godzilla suit of all time. Its the true classic look

Ok not to sound like a hipster but where did all you Hedorah fans come from? Back in the day I was alone in loving that movie, next everyone will love the Mekagoji/Megagoji suit.

>>14850067
I still don't like Hedorah.

>>14850067
I always thought he had a cool design as a kid, and watching the movie for the first time just a few months ago I liked it too

>>14848437
People who believe in that theory should be treated as children.

>>14850067
>>14850078
>>14850087
I just want to clarify, I'm not hating on anyone nor do I want to come off as a dick. I just like the good taste that is sprouting recently.

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>>14850067
Watched it fairly regularly in my single digits and fell off it towards the end of middle school. Gave it another viewing for a film class last year and fell in love with it. Sits comfortably within the top ten of the series.

>>14850067
I don't remember my first reaction to it, but I loved it ever since I really got into Godzilla movies. It's a nice unique piece that feels refreshing after all the 60s films. Always considered it one of my favorites.

>>14850067
I got a bootleg copy of vs The Smog Monster as I started getting deeper into toku in the early 00s, and was surprised at how it gets into "monster is a metaphor for that real thing" and stuff despite the general goofyness of them

>>14850067
It's kind of a remake to Gojira (1954), substituting Godzilla with Hedorah as the main menace and pollution replacing concerns about radiation. Hedorah begins life as an aquatic organism that sinks ships before moving onto land to wreak havoc on the Japanese. A one eyed scientist, who interestingly enough also has a fish tank (fish are killed), ends up playing a significant role in defeating the monster. And it's pretty experimental for the franchise and as a film itself.

>>14850218
>it's pretty experimental for the franchise and as a film itself.
it's like Godzilla vs XX is your normal wrassle match, but vs Hedorah is like crazy Broken Matt Hardy stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wqSUgkXbdM

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>>14850234
> Claims he is a Godzilla fan
> Says all Godzilla films are the same
> The fanbase has literally been split in half and yet according to him the film isn't imaginative enough or doesn't take risks
His opinion is garbage

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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2016/07/28/films/favorite-monster-returns-terrorize-japan-shin-godzilla/#.WAOOI8lm354

Norman England is a life-long Godzilla fan and former reporter for Fangoria magazine who has spent months on “Godzilla” film sets and saw “Shin Godzilla” last month at a special industry screening. He notes a dramatic departure in the new film from the series’ traditional pacifistic stance.

“This is the first film in the series to go for the jugular in trying to elicit rah-rah support for the military and sympathy for the government,” England says, likening the film’s not-so-subtle nationalism to the blatant flag-waving found in Roland Emmerich’s 1996 sci-fi epic “Independence Day.”

“Godzilla was originally imagined as a metaphor for the horrors of war and the devastation war brings to people, whether deserved or not,” he continues. “How this new approach will play domestically and internationally is anyone’s guess.”

>>14850067
It's such a weird movie that my first instinct was to like it ironically for how weird it was. But I genuinely do like the idea behind Hedorah and would love a modern take on it. Final Wars obviously doesn't count.

>>14850262
Norman England is a moron who thinks Godzilla was about "war is evil" instead of "nuclear bomb USA dropped on our faces is evil". So Shin Godzilla telling USA suck and JSDF is great is in fact evidence of its respect for Tsuburaya and Honda's legacy.

> Watched it. It's a militaristic right-wing mess about how great the JSDF is and how they should rearm Japan, that takes every chance it has to insult the US, and depicts women as either sociopaths (the minister and the scientist) or drooling idiots (the "American" lady who can't speak English) while all the problems are solved by tall clever handsome supercompetent men. It's misogynistic to the core and echoes all the problems in Japanese society, especially in the mindset of shut-in loser otaku like the director, Anno. One of the worst movies I've ever seen, period. It's not even a real kaiju movie, because 99% of the film is just Anno soapboxing his politics using bad actors as mouthpieces. There's barely any acting, because the people in the film just constantly spew out non-stop political rhetoric, which takes the place of any form of plot. What little monster action there is in the film is abyssmal- Godzilla's first form is hilariously out of place and despite being CG somehow manages to look like a bad puppet from a black and white era film. The CG in general is pathetic, and what little practical effects there are looks like a child playing with his toy trains. Godzilla himself starts off looking intimidating enough but falls victim to the bad CG when he starts moving faster and shooting lasers at the beginning of the second act. The film has no climax either, as the biggest confrontation is midway through the film, while the final confrontation is done by force-feeding the big lizard some sort of chemical through giant straws mounted on cement trucks. It's so cheap that it's just sad. I am very disappointed.

>>14850276

I just want to rub it into this guy's face

https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/14588239/#14592852
>Someone earlier mentioned Norman England's review...does anyone have a link for it?
>His opinion is one I would really trust.

So, am I the only one who noticed that the guy who killed himself at the beginning of the movie has the same name as the protagonist from The Return of Godzilla?

>>14850282
SJW and pussies are crying about it so it means it's good amiright ?

>>14850282
>and depicts women as either sociopaths (the minister and the scientist) or drooling idiots (the "American" lady who can't speak English)

Well, I didn't get that sense at all.

>>14850286
yes

Just returned from this film.... I would say that I generally loved it up to the beginning of the third act when I hit a slump.

Positives:

-Godzilla was a skreeonking spectacle, and I don't give a damn what y'all say bout his first form.
-Action sequences. As I previously stated, Godzilla was an absolute sight to behold. If your looking for an unstoppable force, this is where you will find it. The nighttime ultimate sequence where he laying waste to the city? Marvelous scene, and quite a tearjerker if I must said so myself.
-Music, at least partly. Some of the tracks were amazing, though I did not care for the unnecessary oversaturation of shitty retro musics.


Negatives:

-Too. Much. Governmental. Shit. Did I stutter? The third act prior to the climax was the worst offender of this. This is where I hit a slump after the fantastic second act.
-As I said earlier, the oversaturation of older Godzilla music was abnormal.
-Climax was curtailed too quicklys, and it blows too because it was otherwise a very itringuing sequence of events.
-Flat characters. Who was the main character anyway?
-The special and visual effects, are subpar to the USA's standards.

I will try to write a full review tomorrow.

The film was just okay to me.

Pros:
#Good cinematography.

#The approach to fight Godzilla was kinda interesting.

#The new soundtrack was good.


Cons:
#The pacing slowing down towards the end.

#The older music sounded really out of place.

#The tadpole scene

#I felt they really shouldn't have had the "multiplying itself to take over the world deal".

#Godzilla's portrayal in general was just...bleh.

All in all, It was an okay film to me. I didn't find it to be awe-inspiring or and wasn't really wowed by anything. I felt that Godzilla was honestly the biggest disappointment in the film to me and is my least favorite incarnation of him.

A decent film, but I personally wouldn't claim that it's one of the best. I felt that it was kinda overrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DCCHwUKhrc

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>>14850295
>unnecessary oversaturation of shitty retro musics

Opinion discarded.

>>14850282
>that takes every chance it has to insult the US
Literally when? One character says something about the US' actions as being "Very American" and then there's the bit when the main character mentions Japan is a puppet but for fucks sake they did the most damage to the monster and even massively helped in the end.

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>>14850307
>Gaijin Goombah

>>14850276
Will they ever not be butthurt about the atomic bombs which ended the war they started? How do they justify starting the war anyway? Or do they claim that they didn't?

>>14850307
lmano

>>14850295
>Who was the main character anyway?
Yaguchi?

>>14850372
FAT AMERICAN PIGGU STOP SPEAKING LIES !!!

>>14850389
Godzilla is 2DEEP4 people. Pleb filter confirmed.

>>14847493
Well the whole point was that even though they "defeated" him he was still there.

The original Godzilla movie was about great sacrifice to get rid of him with something even worse.

This movie was about great sacrifice that doesn't even kill him and means they must co-exist.

>>14850415
>in the sequel, ShinG becomes a hero and friend to children everywhere

>>14850262
>he thinks it's like independance day
He didn't see the same movie.

The whole speech at the end wasn't anything like president lonestars shit from that movie, like at all

>>14850432
Considering all the pillars of the Godzilla fandom made comments about how the movie was rightwing and nationalistic, I get the feeling they either did not pay attention, are not the experts on Japan as a country and the language as they proclaim to be, or it is simply a matter of fanboy agenda pushing.

A majority of the Godzilla fanbase just parrots their opinions, even in aspects that are patently false. They more than likely did not count on American fans being able to see the movie within months of release, so they tried to push the angle that the movie is bad for political reasons so the fanbase would have been indoctrinated to that belief for the year or more it would have taken typically to get the movie here.

They don't like it, and know the fanbase sucks up to them, so they will make the fanbase go into the movie with a preconceived notion. All because of butthurt that a mere anime director gave one of the genuinely best films in the franchise over goldenboy Kaneko.

Shitty CGI doesn't bug me, I see it and I think that could have been better, but I never put it on a con list, for me the CGI isn't that important. As long as I get the general idea of what they were going for.

>>14850430
godzillanoids drop off and try to help and coexist in society as equals in the most provocative look at immigration into Japan since Niea_7

Dickard T. (an godlzilla/Evangeleon/SFM faggot) gave his thought on Shin Godzilla Resurgence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpQ_fha3Plc

>>14850466
And it from the same bastard who made these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUsCitBwY6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o54IbzPIHR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TktRE_mdDQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRS6JA-RoR4

>>14850459
The CG just made me kinda miss the guys in rubber suits.

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>>14850450
Well if the fanbase sucked up to them I'm glad this is dividing them now.

People are saying that it's anti American or it is against Hondas vision, but in fact the whole last part is pure Honda: all people of different nations, japan us France and Germany, helping eachother to overcome a nuclear threat, not for selfish reasons but to help everyone and not just themselves

How any so called "godzilla expert" could just overlook and cast aside that like the people who called godzilla vs king Ghidorah anti American is just mind boggling.

If anything, this anime director who they seem to have a hate boner for is more in tuned than they are

>>14850470
I think that one specific standing-up CGI was pretty close to like a suit, everything else not so much.
At least they used miniatures, which was nice.

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>>14848273
He's actually saving UltraSeven.

>>14849706
because thats dumb. did u watch them in order? doubt it

>>14850459
The only time I felt the CGI was poor was that one part where Kamata-kun was mutating. There were some parts which felt a bit odd like when his mouth opened for the laser blast, or when he swept the beam across some buildings in a jagged way, but that's really just nitpicking small parts. Overall I feel they did a pretty good job with it.

>>14848418
>>14848439
>>14848543
>>14848657
>>14848728
>>14848816
>>14848982
>>14849706
>>14850059
It's decided then.
I'm gonna watch Mothra vs G (64), followed by G vs Mecha 2.
Thanks guys!

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>>14850506
The transformation sequence is definitely a little poor but the atomic breath being jagged kinda works because its kind of working like a high pressure hose

>>14850295
>Ryguy

G14 fags are the fucking worst

>>14850472
That German lady's comment about faith in your fellow man sounded like it came straight out of classic Honda. Namely Mothra vs Godzilla. Remember the impassioned speech on Infant Island? And how is the film anti-American? Japan simply expressed a desire for a little more sovereignty. It's a valid concern as the United States can be overbearing at times and Japan needs to be able to defend itself. Besides that, the United States ultimately helps to avoid going the nuclear route.

>>14850295
>-The special and visual effects, are subpar to the USA's standards.
Compared to what? Generic looking crap like superhero movies and independance day2?

Yeah toho can't have PacRim or planet if the apes cgi, but neither can 95% of American blockbusters

>>14850470
Agreed, but for some of the scenes, I think CGI served the film better.

>>14850515
>>14850506
I do think that for the most part they did a good job, there were some wonky parts though.

I meant overall, spotty CGI isnt a deal breaker for me (I'm assuming most a nons here feel the same way.) like some people I've seen, this doesn't just go for Godzilla either, I'm just curious as to why maybe subpar effects are such an issue.

>>14850550
>I'm just curious as to why maybe subpar effects are such an issue.

Same reason people would have issues with subpar actors or direction?

>>14849636
nah, that was dumb
one is combustion, one is light
you cant make a bunsen burner or blowtorch turn into a laser..

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>>14850612
Are you a god?

>>14850609
I suppose, for me personally though, acting and directing are vastly more important. I guess it's a question that doesn't really have answer.

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>>14850621
Y-yes?

>>14850629
Acting and direction can be considered more important, but if you're gonna include CG in a significant capacity, you should put as much effort into it as you can to make it work.

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>>14850506
>when he swept the beam across some buildings in a jagged way,
It works when you imagine its like a fire hose or other high pressure water hoses

Shin Godzilla's North American run got extended due to popular demand.

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2016/10/18/shin-godzilla-extends-run-with-encore-saturday-matinee-and-screenings-in-select-cities-thru-october-27/

>>14850649
Difference between effort and money in this case though.

>>14850649
That was literally the best they could do. Anno decided to scrap the practical stuff late into production and the special effects team worked until the last second just to get done what you see. They even had to share the load with other companies (thus the varying quality in effects). And before you say Toho could have pushed the date back, it was too late to break contract. It looks a little weak at times, though it's nowhere near as bad as detractors allege.

>>14850658
>nearest showing is 50 miles away
It hurts. I just want to see it again.

>>14850649
That's a good way of putting it and I agree.
>you should put as much effort into it as you can to make it work.
>as you can to make it work.
I think that is a thing most people don't consider when talking about this kind of thing.

>>14850322
Well, somebody didn't pay much attention, or doesn't know how Japan is set up but your comments make me understand why company's can't be original anymore and have to force feed narratives down our throats.

While yes they say that one line, notice how the PM doesn't want to do anything without first "asking permission" in a sense from the United States. Every time they are on the phone he is talking with the U.S. president about what they should do. Japan is painted as incapable of taking care of itself and it is the United States that has to save them. This is all technology they could have themselves if they didn't have to depend on the U.S. Then they think they are hopeless and have to give America what it wants (bombing the shit out of Tokyo) to save themselves and lean back on international pity to remain a country. But let's talk about that "bombing run" for a minute. It isn't to take out the creature, it is how the U.S. will use any excuse to destroy them because they have quote "really grown up haven't they?" and the U.S. wouldn't want that. Towards the end of the movie the Japanese girl (showing how Japan should be the ones to rule over the U.S.) who wants to be president even asks the main character "My president makes that decision for our country, can you say the same for yours?" (paraphrased from memory) meaning that while the U.S. makes it's own decisions, Japan doesn't. Instead, it is America that decides for Japan as well, further showing the powerlessness of their Prime Minister. The movie is purely about "taking the power back" half the time.

>>14850372
In Asia "losing face" is very very bad. The atomic bombs immediately made them lose face even more when they thought their shit didn't stink and started a war. They wanted to be mutually accepted after World War 1, didn't get the same "piece of the pie" and so they thought they could demand attention by showing their strength. But we emasculated them completely while the world watched. Basically not only did we hit on their chick at the bar in front of them, we bent their wife, sister, and on the side girl over the bar and made him watch as we plowed them, then made him raise our kids.

>>14850677
I wish he hadn't scrapped the practical effects. I like when there's a CG/practical mix.

>>14850705
here comes the JCE

>>14850710
Allegedly the puppet failed tests. There were even rumors of studio mandated reshoots for some of the character scenes. I'd really like to know more about what went on behind the scenes. Regardless, whether such things are true or not, Anno and friends pulled it off.

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>>14850743
Tbqh I'm glad they went cgi for big godzilla

thanks to the anon who makes the threads for me, my Alzheimer's keeps activating and I forget to make new threads

>>14850736
Nah, the American cultural exchange was all it took during World War II. Two very big, very loud, very deadly exchanges. I was just trying to elaborate on that to anon.

>>14850472
>If anything, this anime director who they seem to have a hate boner for is more in tuned than they are
I think it's leftovers from back in the 80's and 90's when anime was considered a respected artform while kaiju films were silly rubber suits and cardboard by the mainstream.

We are long past that point where anime is just pointless fanservice that only creeps are into so the oldschool Godzilla fans feel like anyone who had anything to do with it cannot produce anything of worth.

Which of course is greatly ironic considering Anno is a lifetime Toku fan who grew up in it's golden age and has a genuine love for it. I admit I would have preferred a totally new score without all the Ifukube classics tossed into the movie. But in this case it truly did feel like it was done out of love and respect, and not just a Toho mandate to shove it in there.

>>14850767
>>14850705
>>14850693
retarded JCE detected

>>14847822
kinda funny that the movie with the most screentime for Godzilla is one of the weaker films while most of the ones on the bottom are among the better films in the franchise

also Shin would be around 8th place if it was listed on there

>>14849471

It's going to be bad. I have absolutely no hope for it. Especially when we have the black guy from the new Star Wars as Stacker Pentecost's son who was never mentioned before, none of the original cast is returning, and Guillermo del Toro not directing?

Pacific Rim is literally my favorite movie of all time and nothing about Pacific Rim 2 has me optimistic.

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CAM RIP FUCKING WHEN

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>>14850783
NEVER
EVER

>>14848227
that will be in the sequel with some of Shin's spawn evolving/mutating into new forms

>>14850779
I don't particularly mind those others, but I'm really worried about del Toro not directing.
He had a real passion for it that you can clearly see in every interview with him, I doubt many other Hollywood directors give a shit about big robots punching monsters (except for Mr. Transformers but let's not even think about that)

>>14847822
One thing I'm curious about this. Is it based on literal screen time, like every time there's a shot of Godzilla? Or is it based around scenes where Godzilla is prominent, like fights and whatnot?

>>14850778
>kinda funny that the movie with the most screentime for Godzilla is one of the weaker films
Reminder that back in 1997 Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla was the highest rated Godzilla film by American fans in a G-Fan poll!

>>14850801
I imagine this is stopwatch time for Godzilla's onscreen presence.

It's important to note just how shocked people are at Astro Monster being the least because he also shares the movie with Rodan and King Ghidorah, and said monsters do get their own devoted city destruction scenes. So just because Godzilla himself only has five minutes there's still a decent amount of kaiju action.

Similarly, despite all the complaints about '14 having so little Godzilla footage, the MUTOs have a decent amount. Problem is the cockblock for Godzilla's first appearance and the fact that people showed up for him and not the MUTOs, who have nowhere near the love or desire to watch to most fans as Toho classics.

Is Son of Godzilla secretly one of the best films in the franchise?

>>14850855
I unironically enjoy watching it, so yes.

>>14850783
I swear, if them Americans don't deliver a decent camrip even with the extended theatrical run, I'm gonna, like, wait longer I guess.

>>14850855
If it is, then it's a well kept secret.

>>14850853
My grievances with G14 are with the characters, pacing, score, story, and teasing. It's a character driven movie with bad character drama. A little bit of Godzilla can't save that.

>>14850853
Legendary probably would've "worked" better if they had some establishing shots of Godzilla traveling throughout the movie, but the filmmakers were trying to have their cake and eat it too by shrouding Goji and having a huge reveal. The scene of him traveling alongside the carriers, while absurd, was a nice touch, but it would've been better to show some underwater scenes earlier in the film. Stuff like that in the japanese movies is underappreciated I think.

>>14850855
Yes
https://youtu.be/t2AgANzQiwg

>>14850864
A part of me that is extremely naive and overly optimistic wondered if people were merely holding off on uploading camrips until after the movie's theater run had concluded.

But seriously there's no excuse at this point with its run being extended. Plenty of time to film in an empty theater. There were only like six other people when I went yesterday.

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Back at the Roxie tonight in San Francisco, another sold out show. Good news for any local anons as they added three more shows for this coming weekend (Oct 22-24)! GOGOGO

Currently showing random music vids and behind the scenes footage of Return of Godzilla

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G14 fags are the fucking best

>>14850887
If G14 grumpy old man-zilla had a better roar and more defined colors I would like him a lot more.
As is he's just a brown blob with jagged glass sticking out of him and sounds like a motorcycle with a fucked up engine.

I still liked his build up to atomic breath though

>>14850262
>>14850276
>>14850372
Honestly, these takes are all shit. Rando straight up calls Japan's imperialism a gigantic mistake, and they dickride the USA super heavy.

>>14847325
So goro maki is now officially the g human with the most iterations

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>>14850887
I can't wait until that fanedit that's going to include an unedited color corrected version comes out. Its been delayed but the guy hasn't given a new release date.

What was the name of the bowlcutted nerd on the computer that started screaming that one time

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Just got back from my 2nd viewing, goddamn this movie is so fucking good.

I really want a figure of those tailzillas.

>>14850372

>dropping a nuke when you know the civilian casualities will be astronomical

>something that one gets over

Pick one m8

For some reason the scene where the stealth bomber pilot reports happens to the first one to be shot down really sticks with me. I think it's the way he dictates it in a perfect deadpan. Even if payback time is a bit silly

>>14850432

This. Yaguchi was pretty clearly trying desperately to hype up himself as much as he was trying to rile up the troops. Dude was visibly close to losing it during that scene. Came across less as "RAWWW YEAH NIHON" and more "Look at this guy who is close to his breaking point but keeps soldiering on"

But who was tail?

>>14851034

Humanity

>>14851034
An army he was birthing, as well as another Godzilla. He realized that numbers matter more than size while he was freezing.

>>14851034
Pillar men.

>>14851031
Yaguchi was pretty damn boss.

>>14851007
>dropping a nuke when you know the civilian casualities will be astronomical
Oh fuck off. The civilian casualties of an invasion would have been titanic in comparison.

When do you think the DVD will be out?

>>14850864
This. It supposedly was gonna get a limited run here some time before the year ended, and if it does I'll definitely go watch it, but it's slowly looking less likely.

Just watched it as my first Godzilla film (aside from the US '96 and '14 films). I didn't realize how much of it would focus on the political/bureaucratic maneuverings but that made it all the more enjoyable. My dad also enjoyed it but more for the campiness and goofy shots of Godzilla himself.

I'm pretty surprised by how well Anno took to a full length live-action film.

Time to check out the other films.

>>14851052
>DVD
Bro...

>>14851041
This is kinda appropriate actually.

>>14848426
I envy you. I took my boyfriend to go see it today and felt so self-conscious about the talky-parts (because he doesn't like subtitles) even though I loved them the first time. Now that it's extended showings I'm going to go a third time, but this time by myself.

>>14851044

That's besides the point. That doesn't make the civilian casualties that ultimately did occur any less horrific.

It's like saying to somebody who just lost a hand "PFFFT, at least you didn't lose both, stop whining".

>inb4 they deserved it because their government started it

Because actions taken by totalitarian military dictatorships always reflect what the population wants, ayup

>>14851063
I apologize
When will the Blu-Ray/digitalcopy be out?

Forgive me if this has been answered before, but there was a part where the new PM was having some guys investigate some disturbance at an island. Was that some sort of nod, or was that just the directors trying to show that business is continuing as usual?

>>14851075
>It's like saying to somebody who just lost a hand "PFFFT, at least you didn't lose both, stop whining".
It's like saying "At least you didn't lose both" when your alternative treatment was to lose both hands or die. What a poor analogy, you can do better.

>>14850980

Kensuke Aida

>>14848426
Just came back.
The beam scene left us in absolute awe. It was both horrifying and beautiful.
The rest of the film was great as well, really fast-paced and had a wide variety of characters.

>>14851096

That still doesn't address the fact that what did occur was horrific and inflicted on a largely powerless civilian population, though.

Every single possible choice that the United States faced was ugly at best and Fucked Up Beyond Redemption at worst. There's really no getting around the basic ugliness of the situation by going "wellllllll at least it was LESS of a war crime"

>>14851112
>That still doesn't address the fact that what did occur was horrific and inflicted on a largely powerless civilian population, though.
The civilian population that was warned beforehand about specific bombing areas and were told to ask the emperor to surrender or Get the Fuck out?

>There's really no getting around the basic ugliness of the situation by going "wellllllll at least it was LESS of a war crime"
No, you get over it because that's war and they felt they did what was necessary not to get even more people killed. Now if you were talking about Japan still being a puppet, I could see the anger.

>>14851125
>The civilian population that was warned beforehand about specific bombing areas and were told to ask the emperor to surrender or Get the Fuck out?

Ideally? Yeah. In reality? There's no way you're going to get a population full of families dependent on their location to uniformly GTFO into an uncertain future.

Also, if you're implying that means those people deserved what they got just for that, then I honestly doubt that you understand people all that well.

>No, you get over it

I really, REALLY do not think you understand people. Cultures just don't "get over" mass civilian casualties. Even if the bombs were the lesser evil, that doesn't rob people of the right to express negative enotions over the fact that things even got there.

>That's war

Yeah, well, that's the problem, innit

>>14851158
>Cultures just don't "get over" mass civilian casualties.
I hope you don't tell people to get over 9/11.

>>14850897
>better roar
This.
He sounds kinda whimpy as is.

>>14851162

...I literally said that saying that kind of shit is bad in the exact part that you greentexted

>>14850897
>>14851163
>Better roar
I thought his roar was great. I mean, what else could you do with it? It still sounded like the iconic one, but it still had a different tone to it.

Is there anywhere specific you guys prefer to get a digital copy since I can't drive 200 miles to go see it in cinema form?

>>14850262
>Patriotism is only okay when America does it.
Fucking hell.

>>14851189
Showtimes end in my area on Saturday, so I assume Funimation will have it out in a couple of weeks. Check Amazon out, it'll be the best place to get it.

>>14851197
Oh I fully intend to purchase a copy when they are available. But I have the next few days off work and would like to watch it now-ish.

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>>14851193
It's clear he doesn't think any patriotism is good because he likens it to "Independence Day", anon

>>14851206
All the rips so far have not been good. The trip would be highly worthy it to see it in theaters, anon. Try to bring some friends if you can.

Do you think they'll use shin zilla for the Olympics?

>>14851211
They might even have a new movie by then.

>>14851211
Only if he beats Charles Barkley first

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>>14851231

>>14851162
>twin godzilla films?
>twin price!

>>14851249
>SonOfGodzilla.jpg

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With all this attention godzilla is getting do you actually want to see the return of the old monsters or would you be okay with the new?

>>14851211
I guess they just have to live with him now.

>>14851262
I've said it before but I genuinely liked the MUTOs and do want to see what new things we get for G14 to fight, but I'm fine with the old too.

If you mean Shin, well, what could he fight that's even more fucked up than he is? I would definitely want to know what they could come up with. Maybe an even more gruesome Hedorah that's made of carcasses and sewage, like Shin is but smellier.

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>>14850710
>yfw the trailer came out and you thought everything was practical

>>14851262
A mix of both, honestly.
Though I'm hoping to see new monsters in the next Shin movie if and when it comes out.

>>14850933
>fan edit
Cutting out most of the wife and kid to put focus on Ford sounds very interesting.

>cutting out 2nd encounter
>muh teasing
But why? Every kaiju shot counts. The MUTO landing on the building is great. I think "introducing" Elle as a face in the crowd and having the surprise be on the photo is better than her suddenly appearing during the fight for a few seconds.

>>14851279
With Legendary, since they seem to be taking a more "grounded" approach, it would be interesting to see inspiration taken from the more "exotic" parts of nature to allow some wiggle room for crazy monster designs. But that's probably expecting too much.

>>14851279
Is there actually word on another Shin Godzilla? It seemed to be pretty self contained considering if Godzilla wakes up he's going to spew a bunch of babies everywhere and then everyone fucking dies.

>>14851044
I'm interested in how two nuclear attacks affected the entire world's understanding of nuclear weapons. Would Mutually-Assured Destruction have worked the same way, if both policymakers and society at large hadn't seen the results of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Might we have gotten a regionally widespread (if not worldwide) nuclear war if the first use of nukes in warfare occurred sometime after the surrender of Japan, in Germany or Korea?

Even that wouldn't necessarily be a defense of the bombings, I'm just wondering in terms of alternate history cause-and-effect.

>>14850469
>the big beefy arm that pops up
gets me every fuckin time

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>no showings near me (Dallas)

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>>14851291
>But why?
Probably because it teases another fight we don't see. Some people are really triggered about that.

I dont like him cutting it either which is why I'm mostly interested in the color-corrected film by itself

>>14851316
VAfag here. I got lucky by seeing it tonight. All that's left is a showing in Alexandria and then one in DC. I guess this means the Blu-ray and digital copies are coming soon?

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>>14849252

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>>14850710
>>14850743
>>14851281
>>14850751
Hold up. I thought the movie was a mix of CGI and practical. Is Godzilla 100℅ GGI?

>>14850469
Who's that character in the first video that's supposed to be Bowser?

>>14851333
A suit was impossible to make due to Goji's proportions, and the puppet failed screen tests.
Shinji and his team worked their asses off to make the CG model look good.

>>14851333
Godzilla himself is all CGI but I heard they scanned a suit to make the model seem better, but I have no clue if that's true.
Some moments of the movie use miniatures though.

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>>14851333
He is. The large puppet they made was not used because it failed tests early in production.

>>14851340
No suit was made, but I think they scanned the large puppet

>>14851338
>>14851340
Goddamn. I honestly thought I was seeing a real suit in a lot of the scenes. That's incredible!

>>14847905
Are you sure you aren't completely wrong? I thought that after the Futurians place the Datoras on the island, King Ghidorah basically takes Godzilla's place in a new Heisei timeline. When they return to the film's present, King Ghidorah is rampaging, but the implication is that he's been rampaging for years, maybe since 1954?

What makes it weird is that nobody seems to have experienced the new timeline between WWII and the film's present. Not just the people who travel through time, but also those businessmen. Even though history has been changed, it seems "the present" isn't some subjective thing, everyone in the world was fearing Godzilla one moment, and then King Ghidorah suddenly appeared, even though he's existed since the atomic bombing of the island. Then you have the pilot in SpaceGodzilla remembering his brother's death, and the '54 heroine and the whole world remembering '54 Godzilla and the Oxygen Destroyer.

There's a sort of logic to it, but I just shrugged and figured they didn't take the time to really hammer it out. It makes as little sense as The Langoliers. But it's good for the camp value.

Of course I could just be completely wrong, I watched it once a while back, the dub.

>>14851353
Yup, meanwhile, some of the other CG stuff looked really obvious, but that added to the charm of the film to me.

>>14851363
I remember when people were trying to claim these copters were totally real.
I suppose that at least shows how good of a job they did.

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>>14851369
>Hello yes this is Katama-kun replace

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>>14851352
They did, they used a scan of the puppet/suit and used motion capture to drive the model.

>>14850276
>was about "war is evil" instead of "nuclear bomb USA dropped on our faces is evil".
But in Godzilla '54, it was portrayed as if Japan itself shared in the guilt of nuclear weaponry, along with the whole world. First there's attacking Godzilla when the hakase wanted to understand it. Then a Japanese scientist invents a weapon of mass destruction that could equal the nuclear bomb. But what got my attention the most was the final line spoken by the hakase. I can't actually remember what it was, but the subtitles used the word "we", as if speaking about all of humanity, Japan of course included. And I'm asking myself why the movie would end it with that, when nuclear weapons had been the sole property of America and a few other countries? Why should the Japanese share in the guilt, instead of just condemning outsiders? It was only nine years after the bombings, they could get away with portraying themselves as victims instead of accomplices.

I think the fact that the film did include them as accomplices reflects its inherent antiwar, humanistic spirit.

>>14851394
Gone are the days when a dedicated actor would spend hours in a hot suit almost passing out and having a assistant drain a cup of sweat, all while standing in the middle of a miniature city.
Now the job looks cozy and easy.

>>14848255
For the sake of my country's future, I will do anything.