IBO ep 28

It's shit.

jk it was a good episode.

>>14844302
IBO confirmed for worst entry

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MCGILLIS!

>>14844302
>Vidar pilots the Gundam Vidar

Sounds good to me.

A guy on /m/ said this episode was all action. Why did he lie? I'll kill him.

>>14844341
The first half is mostly pointless yammering

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when Vidar going to be complete?

>>14844341
>didn't like the merribet bullying Orga bit
come on, bully orga is fun

>>14844348
Hes going to appear at the perfect time to fuck with Tekadan because he thinks they are Chocomans Minions

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Why doesn't /m/ watch a mecha series that is unironically amazing?

>>14844352
That was actually the only part I liked in the first half.

>>14844348
I just want to see the full paint scheme already.

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>>14844395
look at the model

>>14844408
yeah I know what the armor will look like but not the colors. Will it just be blue and black or will have grays, whites, etc in the armor as well?

>>14844364
I'm getting there. 16 episodes into the first season.

>>14844364
Logos was alright but stop posting this, you're gonna raise expectations and run its reputation into the ground.

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>>14844302
>dat helmet

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So I wonder how this fight will go? and Will Iok do something? Butterfly eating girl said she'd babysit him but how can she do that when fighting mika?

>>14844428
I think the preview showed Mika swatting her aside and going after the pirare king.

>>14844302
All I can see is those enemies from the gameboy Zelda games where you had to grappling hook their masks off

>>14844437
what you think she'll just go "he pushed me, I better stay to the side the entire episode then"

>>14844428
I bet he makes her looks like a fool and goes full Ein crazy wanting to get the Alaya Vijina Surgery so she can regain her honor.
Maybe Mecha Gali turns her into a full on Ein but she has actual talent and good instincts so she becomes a Gundam Beast Ninja

>>14844451

What, four episodes in?

>>14844451
I doubt Gali would do that again, especially to someone he has zero interaction with. He did that because he wanted to save Ein's life and that was the only way to "save" him. but I could see the pride getting damaged so she becomes a revenge nut.

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So is Iok going to be a jobber or just a shit pilot?

>>14844459
No no,
she'll fail a bunch more times before she goes Mecha Meatgurl, just like Ein

>>14844465
Maybe MechaGali will be more of a devious snake in the grass (Char Clone) using the Meat Trio to get his sweet revenge

>>14844408
>Knee verniers
Ippei is going full retard

>>14844482
The legs are fat as fuck, They probably split into horse legs again and the verniers will serve a more practical purpose .. maybe even look a little less ridiculous

>>14844428
Best case scenario, they're roughly equal and she can remain an actual threat unlike Carta and Ein. Also rule 34

Worst case scenario, she's Carta +20 eps of her being ineffectual.

GEE IBO WHY DOES YOUR MOM LET YOU HAVE 2 CHARCLONES IN THE SAME SERIES?

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>>14844503
hey, now that Garma is a char. IBO will always get plus points from because of that.

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>>14844471
I no longer have idea what to expect of him, he is part of the most battle hardened Gjallarhorn fleet, but judging by Julietta and his minion’s reactions he could be as bad as Carta

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>>14844503
obviously you didnt watch all of SEED

>>14844503
>first one was so transparent even the show called it out as a farce
>second one puts up the mystery so much that all we have is a voice casting to base assumptions of identity on

>>14844493
I do not think she will be a threat. An hassle at best.

>>14844518
that's what I'm afraid too. hopefully he isn't a shitty jobber. his graze thing is really good looking.

>>14844503
Now now, be a good boi and maybe your mum will let you have as many Chars as you want.

>>14844522
>second one puts up the mystery so much that all we have is a voice casting to base assumptions of identity on

Frankly I'm glad they did not play to much with the mystery. It would have been ridiculous.

>>14844536
I'm still saying it's Iznario, with a voice changer to mock McGillis with Gaelio's voice.

It'd be way more interesting than McGillis fucking up his betrayal.

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>>14844546
anon thats just stupid. like on every level.

>>14844546
>I'm still saying

Say what you want, It's not like I want to make you change your opinion, but until now IBO has not shone for its twists. The most obvious solution is probably the right one, here.

>>14844546
Anon, it's like deluding yourself that Mr.Bushido was not Graham went in full retard.

>>14844302
The next Gundam can't come fast enough. IBO was the worst thing to happen to the franchise since Age.

>>14844574
>IBO was the worst thing to happen to the franchise since Age.
The model kits are selling really well so it's better to the franchise than Age from Bandai's perspective

I really hope they didn't call Gaelio Vidar just because it kinda sounds like Vader.

>>14844610
citation please?

>>14844559
It may be, but I feel they played that card with McGillis, and so it'd be a better use of Vidar to prey on the same assumption instead of rewarding it.

>>14844648
Look for Derringer's posts in the archive.

>>14844654
well I agree the models are doing well enough but lets not take the bandai rep too seriously with the praising.

>>14844615
There's actually a bit of myth there. Vidar is the son of Odin in Norse mythology. During Ragnarok, Odin was eaten by the wolf Fenrir as the prophesy said once the beast was freed of it's chains (that Odin put on it so that it wouldn't eat him). His son Vidar slew the beast afterwards to avenge his father.

I can't find it for reference, but Gaelio's family crest was Sleipnir iirc. That was Odin's 8-limbed steed, and Odin used a spear. Kinda like the Kimaris Trooper (2 Regular legs + 2 arms + 4 legs when hovering = 8). Lupus, as in Barbatos Lupus, means wolf.

>>14844666
Bluefin. Which is more a Bandai surrogate rather than the mouth of the beast itself, Satan.

>>14844666
Until we have Bandai's 2016 financial report, his word is as official as it gets.

>>14844610
Model kits will always sell well, Age was some sort of freak accident where they horribly miscalculated every decision.

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>>14844521
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, anon.

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I hope Rebake gets some new weapons, the giant scissors are dumb. even in the episode the mechanics complained about the rebake for being too complicated.

>>14844684
This. I honestly don't know why AGE kits sold so poorly compared to other seasons. Most of them are super solid kits. Even most of the Vagan suits, which look like they'd be an absolute flimsy mess ended up being fun to build and pose.

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>>14844546
Gaelio was set up for the role. Iznario is barely a character when he's even around.

That would be sacrificing a potentially powerful overall story for the sake of a single cheep GOTCHA! moment with the audience.

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>>14844709
well with Bandai's crazy exceptions of it. there is no way it'd reach half of that.

>>14844706
I like how it has a nigger nose.

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>>14844712

Can't say I'm surprised that Darth Vidar is Gaelio. I was kinda expecting it to be Macky again, but this works too.
>voice changer
If it is that, I'd rather it be Carta. That way we don't have Macgillis failing to kill the guy he spilled his plan to.

Either way, that was a pretty satisfying battle. Gusion Full City did not disappoint, Mika got some nice kills, and the three new pirate MS look pretty cool. The only problem is now I have to wait another week to watch more.

>>14844721
Only problem with Carta was she was retarded.

>>14844712
Iznario has a motive, it's not as intimate as getting clowned in mobile suit combat but you can match the motive to Vidar in a way that isn't a total asspull of logic.

>>14844713

Gunpla sales wasn't even the worst "ambitious but rubbish" thing that came out of AGE, but it was the video games

>Made claims on how the games will sell 1 million copies before the show aired
>Couldn't even sell 10% of the target

JUST

>>14844728
He didn't say there wasn't a motive just it doesn't make for as of a good story.

>>14844728
The point is that the show built an emotional attachment to Gaelio.
They didn't even bother to humanize Iznario in a single sense. He's just a corrupt, old fart with nothing else going on.
The scenario brings nothing to the table.

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>>14844728
>you can match the motive to Vidar in a way that isn't a total asspull of logic.
>asspull logic
Still don't get the asspull of Gali surviving.

>>14844743
I guess, but I find that rolling back on Gaelio's implied death is kinda inelegant for the sake of a revengeance. It was inelegant when they did it to resolve the stakes of Ein rampaging through named characters, it'll be inelegant here too.

Plus I feel that making it Iznario feeds into the family vs merit theme that permeates the narrative.

>>14844748
>The point is that the show built an emotional attachment to Gaelio.

Yeah. The reaction I hear from the Japanese is that they're happy he's back even if it's obvious as fuck. Gaelio, Crank, Ein and Carta were pretty popular among viewers (some of which view Mika as evil), so they're happy one of them survived.

>>14844772
crank and ein? Crank was a throw away character to give Ein a motive. and Ein was far from a "hero"

I remember when people were saying Garma would come back as a Char at the end of S1 I thought that was too stupid, even for IBO.

Boy do I feel like a jackass now.

>>14844757
>I guess, but I find that rolling back on Gaelio's implied death is kinda inelegant for the sake of a revengeance. It was inelegant when they did it to resolve the stakes of Ein rampaging through named characters, it'll be inelegant here too.
With Ein the named characters weren't important.

Gaelio would actually have a purpose.

>Plus I feel that making it Iznario feeds into the family vs merit theme that permeates the narrative.

I didn't really think the theme was very strong, only one who worked mainly off of their family was Carta. Gaelio and McGillis were fairly competent.

Also McGillis vs Gaelio is more interesting than anything else going on in the story.

>>14844775
Ein had a lot of LOYALTY even when not crying about Crank.

He took a blow for Gaelio because he thought he was a good guy.

He had at least as much heroic quality as Tekkedan.

Only person who really ever cared about Morality was Gaelio.

>>14844756
Asspull would be why is he acting like he is Gaelio.

>>14844802
>Asspull would be why is he acting like he is Gaelio.
how has vidar acted anything like Gali?

>>14844799
You're not alone, I'll tell you that for free.

>>14844804
Hatred of Tekkedan and using his MS.

>>14844799
It's like you want IBO to continue bringing nothing interesting to the table.

>>14844810
lots hate tekkadan, that has been made abundantly clear. and we're not a 100% sure the Vidar is the Kimaris.

>>14844721
>If it is that, I'd rather it be Carta.

Carta was full spaghetti for McGuillis, and even in her death she had eyes only for him. Vidar hates McGillis.

>>14844493
A threat to Mika? Dude is Inaho levels of bullshit skill now. They will use her to show how great a plot device he is and have her job.

>>14844718

>giant white block
>nigger nose

there's retarded, and then there's you

>>14844830
I think she'll at least be able to go toe to toe with him since it seems like she's supposed to be a mirror of Mika

>>14844830
>Inaho level
Inaho is just an armchair warrior proven right about his theorycraft, Mika's skill comes from raw battlefield experience.

Don't mistake the two as equivalent.

>>14844757
>Gaelio's implied death

There was never any implied death

they go out of their way to show mcgillis doesn't land a direct hit on the cockpit when he 'kills' him and then is just like 'welp my master plan is set now i gotta wait on tekkaden lol'

>>14844813
>bringing nothing interesting to the table
I'm going to have to disagree, there. IBO is pretty much completely out from under the standard Gundam formula. There's no war, the main characters were already military before the show started instead of civilians caught up in a battle, no newtypes, no one's father built the mobile suit, meelee over beamspam...
This may be the most original Gundam setting since G.

>>14844772
> (some of which view Mika as evil)

he's not evil, he's just extremely dangerous, like an hired killer.
The coldness with which kills people (and his lack of interest, most of the time) makes him rather scary. No speech, no joke, no thought, he comes and kills you, if you are his enemy.
And he does it as if you were nothing. Just a target.

Not even Heero of the first episodes was so fucking cold.

>>14844839
I'm not going to act like the precedent wasn't set with how the Turbine girls survived Ein, but that kind of ad hoc rationalization is kinda dumb and elevates an arbitrary scene of animation into something deliberate when it isn't.

You're breaking the rules of foreshadowing without some other hint being thrown in.

It's like the "Shoko did/didn't get blown up by that waffe laser" thing in Valvrave, really stupid even if technically nothing about the scene prevents it from happening.

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I hope brown!Gali and girl!Mika will be okay.

>>14844852
There's a whole level of dark to the story that's just kind of sitting there in the background. Ep 26 narration stated that Tekkadan's exploits made everyone want to use more child soldiers and the Human Debris thing got worse, And now they're just quietly showing Mikazuki making cockpit fatality after cockpit fatality and just passively mentioning that those pilots are Human Debris. Which means the people Mika is ruthlessly slaughtering are just other unfortunate orphans in exactly the same situation the Tekkadan boys were in at CGS.

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>tfw Mika is literally the Demon Lord

Is glasses lady back from the dead yet?

>>14844837
Maybe for a few seconds.

>>14844838
He hasn't had more experience in a mecha than most characters in the series, especially in space and was great at it from day one.

>>14844876
The tragedy is the perpetuation of human debris being silenced by their owners. Mika only really kills because it's the efficient way to remove a threat (and he's rather open minded to the various ways you can stop the enemy, as evidenced by his respect for Kudelia during s1), but if the enemy were to surrender he'd probably just move on to the next target. The debris elsewhere don't have it as good as those of Tekkadan, they don't realize the value their lives still hold.

>>14844877
Y'know there are actually legends about people being required to pluck out one of their own eyes or chop off one of their own hands to receive power in a deal with dark forces. Mikazuki asked Barbatos for more power and the price was an eye and a hand.

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>>14844886
Who cares about glasses? We got asses.

Seriously Orga, give in already. Or at least command Eugen to do it. She's desperate for the D.

>>14844890
Let's rephrase it:

Inaho has like JROTC levels of military training and a body of knowledge drawn from collegiate level physics. An academic who can be pressed into service if needed, but with zero combat hours.

Mikazuki has fought on a battlefield for a good chunk of his life when people his age should have been at school learning stuff, and while his career was largely in Mobile Worker driving versus Inaho running the KG6 he trained in, it was still a career of actual combat and bloodshed against people who shot back with the intent to kill. Mikazuki is a combat vet by the time we first see him, and that's all he's good for because he doesn't have the education to make more of his life at the beginning.

There's a distinction. Both of them are in a position to say they know their way around a combat machine for someone of their age, but to equate the JROTC kid whose education advantages him to the uneducated veteran child soldier is disingenuous.

>>14844918
I was going to bring up dat ass too. You're a good /m/an Charlie Brown.

>>14844918
so ugly

so how hard was this episode fapped to by ANN, Anime Suki, MAHQ, etc?

Why should I take McGillis seriously as an antagonist now that it is confirmed that he was incompetent to the point of not confirming Gaellio's death?

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So next week will be the autism battle of the century?

>>14844963
Go there and find out. No one here cares.

>>14844360
You mean "job" with tekkaman.

Gotta say, I'm really liking the sound design of this series, manages to use fresh sound effects that don't sound like they were just pulled from a random video game (like a lot of the sound remasters for older Gundam titles)

Also I hope Julieta and Mika becomes a thing, Atra and Kudelia can have each other

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Now this I can get behind.

>>14845055
>tekkaman

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>>14845084

>>14845085
Tekkadan Blade?

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>>14845086

>>14845075
Funny thing is, SD Gundam Force has a character with a Haro head/mask.

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>>14845085
Plot twist: Tekkadan finds the Teksetter before the last battle and Mika fuses with Barbatos

>>14845092
> "You thought it was Gali-Gali, but it was me! ADMIRAL HARO!"

>>14844938
Great, now I'm imagining Inaho in IBO. I hope you're happy.

>>14845094
VOLTEKKADAN!!!

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MCGILLIS! I'M COMING FOR YOU!

>>14844938
Not him but they both don't make sense and its asinine to compare them.

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>>14845120

>>14845120
>>14845130
I really dig Gali-Galis/Vidars helmet.

>>14844426
That's the point
This guy is trolling

>>14845322
except I'm not

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>>14845075
I'm surprised they didn't ham fist a Haro in this series.

>>14845302
>>14845288
Relax, Cunt.

>>14844482
>Being able to stop quickly
>Being able to reverse quickly

>retarded

Do you even Brain?

so this episode had some good moments.the next episode will end this fight and go where?

what's going on with Mika's eye? whenever he's out of Barbatos there are no highlights in his right eye, even during the OP.

>>14845464
Did you skip S1 or are you memeing me right now.

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I was surprised when Mika killed that guy by literally shoving the Lupus hand in his cockpit. As soon as I noticed the sharp fingers on the Gundam, I wondered about how cool it would've been if it killed someone that way.

But, I thought that having fun with it's designs was literally above IBO.

Feels weird, being proven wrong.

>>14845467
I don't recall it being listed as part of the injuries he had though.

>>14845473
lost his right eye and right arm.

>>14845468
At first I was like
>ok that's cool
but then I was like
>ok that's actually kinda brutal and vicious and damn son how are you going to explain the blood stains to the hangar crew?

>>14845473
He has an eye and an arm burnt out from overclocking Barbs, I believe it's explicitly mentioned in the brief epilogue bit at the end of S1.

Normally you'd only notice the arm because he has it in a sling when he's not plugged into Barbs (at which point his arm and eye regain functionality), and I never really paid attention to how they detailed the eye because I figured that'd be too difficult to convey properly but if you're noticing that he has a consistent lame eye then I guess the IBO staff is actually more talented than we give them credit for.

You got your (((((battle))))) now /m/

Now prepare for the next 10 episodes of DOING NOTHING SINCE WE BLEW OUR BUDGET ON THAT BATTLE

AHAHAHAHHAHA

>>14845515
the battle was pure QUALITY, copy and paste and cheap CG

>>14845515
lets see next episode ends this fight and ep 30 will have a terrorist bombing so. not we won't get 10 episodes of nothing in a row.
>>14845518
I'd rather have (((quality))) than nothing.

>>14845492
You can also notice his limp right arm floating in Zero-G when Mika and Orga are doing their thing in the hangar, before the sortie.

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>>14845473
>>14845492
There you go.

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>>14844364
>Aquarion
>Ever good

>>14844845
>Characters are already military

Do you even Victory, mate?

>>14845094
We all know Mika is going to be stuck in Barbatos by the end one way or another.

So is the earth Takkadan going to get butt fucked in ep 29 or 30? cause ep 30 preview doesn't sound promising

>>14844709
>AGE kits sold so poorly compared to other seasons

They look crude compared to previous suits and stuff, or even vaguely-related competition within the year.

>>14845357
I'm surprised they didn't put in Haro as a subsitite for AV system, like you know, an AI piloting assist?

>>14845909
Their engineering is fucking amazing though, genoaces are like the balance sasuke of gunpla

>>14845920
Genoaces are pure sex, it's a shame the O-Custom never got made into a kit.

>>14845357
Atra

>>14845952
Atra's a good girl.
Keeps Mika's stomach full while Kudelia keeps Mika's balls empty.

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I'm glad we got some a good amount of fighting in this episode, but honestly it was kind of dissatisfying.
Visually it was a pretty one sided-battle, with no losses taken from Tekkadan afaik. It felt more like a Tekkadan showcase, than a real battle.
I also don't feel the battle had enough tension to justify the soundtrack.

Augh, maybe I'm just being a tired cunt.
I'll watch it later again to see if my opinion changes.

>>14844918
>Orga/Merbitt tease resumes
I am a happy het fag.

>>14844709
>>14844713
>There will never be MGs of the AGE-3 or FX
Those prototypes. They haunt me.

>>14844546
Occam's Razor, friendo. Vidar being Gaelio is by far the simplest explanation given what we have to work with.

I don't get why people think his extreme revenge boner will not be top shit.

>>14846153
Personally I want to hope that whatever Gaelio/Vidar's role in the story is, it turns out to be more interesting than just "MAKUGIRISUUU! VENGEANCE!"

>>14844757

Without getting into motive and thematic differences between Iznario and Gaelio, the fact remains that Iznario is/was a non-character in his entirety. Nothing was devoted to his characterisation, he was a plot device who existed to be betrayed as part of the Master Plan. Any relevance he had was derived from his connection to McGillis and not once were his personal motivations explored except as a counter-point for McGillis' arc.

>>14845481
>how are you going to explain the blood stains to the hangar crew?

Probably something like "I killed a pilot by shoving my giant sharp hand through his torso because it was the easiest thing to do at the time."

This is Mikazuki we're talking about

Feel so bad when Mika murders human debris

>>14844906
given we got told the gundam frames were all named after Demons that's not really a surprise at all.

Will we get more AV monstrosities ala Graze Ein?

>>14844471
Good. But well, not good enough.

Y'know, I'm rather disappointed with them pretty well out-right revealing that the masked man is Gaelio this episode. Yes, it's pretty damn obvious, but all the same, I feel like media lately is almost afraid to prolong a character reveal.

Like another example is Final Fantasy XIV. In the most recent story update, a mysterious man in healer's robes shows up aiding a group of powerful enemies. Over the course of the story, the narrative has shown one particular friendly character to frequently have secret meetings with this group and their benefactor. So when this "Mysterious Man" shows up, it's pretty obvious from the get-go that it's him. They keep up the pretense for all of 1 cutscene, before hammering the point home by having him deliver a bloody soliloquy in the very next!

And it's the same thing here. They drop a vague hint that he has a grudge against McGillis in his first appearance, and there really is no one else who could fill the role, but they just drop all pretense in the next episode by having him speak using the same annunciations as usual, and just out-right showing the face of the Kimaris being built over.

Maybe it's because it's so obvious that they don't bother even trying to keep it hidden, but...would it really hurt for them to try?

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>>14846128
They're the one ship I'm actually rooting for.
They had some really cute interactions in S1 before their relationship went to shit.

I wonder if the Pixiv artist also resumes his little doodle comics about them.

>>14846225
>Maybe it's because it's so obvious that they don't bother even trying to keep it hidden, but...would it really hurt for them to try?
Yes. Because if they drag it out it means they spend more time hyping up a "mystery" almost everyone has already solved. That's a waste of resources.

>>14844748
>the show built an emotional attachment to Gaelio.
>>14844772
>were pretty popular among viewers
They weren't really that popular, they are just the only characters to stand out as they had both real motives and personalities if somewhat bland. Everyone else is a lot more muddled, many had no real or clear motive and the personality of gruel. Especially for the space rats someone thought that giving them something like being fat, having a brother or gayness was enough.

In a show with even mediocre writing they'd be very forgettable and in Ein's case even more of a laughing stock

>>14844979
Mika is so boring, i cant stand it.

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>mfw carta is the masked - WOman.
>mfw sunrise makes mega SJW bucks by empowering a woman
>gali-gali is dead.

>>14846389

SJWs practically don't exist in Japan.

>>14844845
Everything you listed has been done in a gundam show if not multiple shows.

>>14846530
not him, but IBO does almost everything worse

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>>14846540
>not him, but

>>14846540
Wouldn't say that Destiny fit at least half the criteria.

>pirates aren't fucking dead yet

For fuck's sake, I am tired of pirate bullshit in IBO.

Vidar being Gaelio makes no sense on two fronts.

Why would McGillis fail to kill Gali when his plan hinges on both him and Carta being dead?

Why would Gaelio sit back and not tell the other families while having to suffer with his sister getting fucked by McGillis every night?

It makes no sense for both of their characters.

>>14846618
Personally, I believe that McGilis kept Gaelio alive as part of his plan or that Gaelio is woking with McGillis and is setting up Rustal.

Based on what we know about McGillis, I find it hard to believe that he left Gaelio alive by accident or that he does not know that someone is helping Rustal against him.

>>14846634
That is the only thing that probably makes sense. McGillis let Gaelio live and they are both in on the plan together.

Any other way is too stupid for both of the characters. It makes McGillis incompetent and it makes Gaelio a complete retard. Literally all Gaelio had to do was walk in the next seven star meeting and say "McGillis is a dick, he is with IBO along!". Bam, McGillis has to take the other families and Gaelio doesn't have to be a dick when he tries to kill his sister's husbando.

>>14846646
I wouldn't be surprised if Okada just bullshitted and made it so that during that final attack, McGills had a bit of humanity left and spared Gaelio while leaving him heavily injured and somewhat disfigured.

>>14846657
The only way this works is if he left Gaelio heavily injured and somewhat disfigured and Rusial found him and kept him in secret to heal and treat his wounds. By the time Gaelio gets healed, he is already considered dead by the rest of the seven stars. This would still be McGillis as an incompetent fuck and then Rusial is the retard.

>>14846662
Yes. All of that makes sense given what we know including the fact that all Char clones we've gotten just suck at killing important people off.

>>14846634
I just got the feeling that Gaelio will be the one to change the Galjahorn not McGillis himself.

Choco-char will go Celestial Being mode in this series by destroying himself and the old Galljahorn and let Gali change it from within.

>>14846673
But that relies on Gaelio not being too fucked up by all this. McGillis could simply be creating a worse monster than there already was.

>>14846662
>>14846634
Both these make sense, but both are also pretty shitty writing

That's kinda how I feel about a lot of the writing in IBO, there are so many points that are bad but they just sneak past that line of I guess that could make sense. It's the kid who constantly just gets the passing grade

>>14846693
'Good' intentions making everything worse is something of a theme for the series.

I mean S2 started with a direct monologue stating that Tekkadan's victories have increased the number of child soldiers being used.

Anyone else find the noise the Hugo makes when powering up to be boner inducing? Sure it's just a modern version of the classic Zaku noise, but it's a damn good one.

>>14846767
Yeah but the reason the uptick in child soldiers, war orphans, human debris etc is so tragic comes from the fact these people either have no family to turn to, or broke away from them to seek fortune in war, betting on the merit of their success (unless you're Debris in which case good fucking luck being valued for your ability in the average PMC) against the hardships of losing the support of family. Family vs Merit.

Besides, Bubuki Buranki's the show that has dibs on "good intentions breed harsh consequences" as a theme.

>>14846813
not sure how you got family vs merit as they weren't really at odds there.

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>>14844845
>meelee over beamspam

THERE WERE BEAM MELEE WEAPONS. A LOT OF THEM. THIS IS NOT MELEE VS RANGE, IT'S PHYSICAL VS BEAM YOU INCOMPETENT FUCK.

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Ep 20 CONFIRMED
,̶,̶c̶h̶a̶r̶m̶a̶ ̶v̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶c̶c̶u̶c̶k̶'̶'̶
,,Two masked men''(Feel like Tomino title)
Basically Vidar vs Montag fight


...kidding but it would be SO awesome
If my wish with MA in IBO came true(though I wanted it to be McGillis piloted as final boss but 'k), maybe this also will happen.

>>14846056
It was completely one sided.

Its a problem with IBO.

>>14846871
No, I'm more certain that we will add another Char. And another.
In fact halfway through the series The Mask-Wars will erupt with everybody participating under an alias and with an increasingly elaborate disguise to back it up

>>14846886
>increasingly elaborate
So there could be one with a straight-up suit of armor?

>>14846886
Why don't we have that yet? A Gundam series about a bunch of masked mercenaries in tricked out mobile suits all clashing with each other as they try to swing the balance of a war torn world in their favor.

>>14844898

Human Debris are slaves, Tekkadan refuses to give new recruits any AV augmentation or if they do pick up Human Debris offer them full wages. Aston was humbled by being treated like a human, especially from the guy he almost killed

It's sad that we haven't seen females being used as Human Debris since that would be extremely fucked up and make them even worse than the Brewers. A perversion of what Naze did, picking up young girls as both sex dolls and weapons and the delusion of being a king.

When do pre-orders go up for the next bluray volume?

How do I find info about the BDs?

>>14844876
Only a small portion of the kids at cgs were debris. The rest were employees with a paycheck that could have left or bailed anytime, even if it meant being back on the streets and dirt poor. They put up with the abuse because it was still better than being poor and homeless, not because they had no other option like the debris kids did.

>>14846878
Yeah. This. It really takes away all tension in the fights when Mikazuki is just jizzing style over almost everyone he fights, ditto when Tekkadan can in completely outnumbered but still manage to dominate without many casualties. Orga's thing is he's supposed to go high risk = high reward, but when named characters have massive amounts of plot armor while relying on a bunch of faceless characters to go "see, look. Tekkadan suffered losses too," it just feels disingenuous.

Also, Mika-shilling. Can we please stop it?

Will there be a western BD release?

>>14847071

Probably after s1 is done on Toonami they'll release episodes 1-13 or something. That is, unless Banrise is afraid of the Japanese reverse importing it.

>>14847004
Did Tekkedan even lose a faceless character?

>>14847103
Something like 50 of them in the first season, plus Biscuit and that kid from the first episode, according to the memorial shown in s2e1..

>>14847113
Meant in the latest fight with the pirates.

>>14847123
None of their pilots are faceless nobodies. Ride, Dante, Derma, Lafter, Azee, Shino, Akihiro, and Mika are all people we know.

>>14847136
So at this point it isn't even
>Orga's thing is he's supposed to go high risk = high reward, but when named characters have massive amounts of plot armor while relying on a bunch of faceless characters to go "see, look. Tekkadan suffered losses too," it just feels disingenuous.

>>14847143
I think it's too early to know how strong their plot armor is, especially that of losers like Dante.

>>14847150
Its not that none of them will ever die thats really important the last episode stressed how dangerous it was and they were going on about losses before the fight and they don't even have any at this point and the pirates are retreating.

>>14847150
If Dante dies, I am going to be pissed. He is a likable bastard.

>>14846570
cool mouth, does it talk with dialogue?

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>>14847158
Also an electronic expert and the guy that extracted the pirate boss position, I say the brewer kid is more expendable

>>14845579
it always is

>>14846530
True, but most shows only deviate from the pattern in one or two ways while IBO does not resemble the standard-issue Gunam story at all.
Teen pilot and (technically) Gudamjacking are the only things that even apply. Martian soldiers-for-hire running a business during peacetime has never been done in Gundam at all. Hell, even "tanks being useful" hasn't been done since the RX-75 (technically a Mobile Suit) unless you count that one short scene with the Loto (totally a mobile suit). It's nice to see an actual concerted effort from a military force instead of just a handful of MS on each side. Atra's crush on Mika is the cutest and purest love interest since Garrod's crush on Tiffa instead of the usual psychos, bitches, and star-crossed-enemy-pilot-drama. And the last time two guys in Gundam were as bro to each other as Mika and Orga are was those shitheads in ZZ that kept trying to get Judau killed. Or maybe Lockon1 and Haro, I guess, if you count that.

>>14847103
>>14847136
Yes, Bullseye The Pirate killed one (maybe two, hard to tell because mass-produced MS) at the end of the episode.

>>14847340
>Hell, even "tanks being useful" hasn't been done since the RX-75 (technically a Mobile Suit) unless you count that one short scene with the Loto (totally a mobile suit).
Tanks weren't useful though.

>Atra's crush on Mika is the cutest and purest love interest since Garrod's crush on Tiffa instead of the usual psychos, bitches, and star-crossed-enemy-pilot-drama.
What about Frau and the doormat in Zeta.

G Gundam, Build Fighters, Wing, AGE and 00 were a large deviation from the standard story.

Being a bit different is hardly new.

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>>14847352
Weren't those Gjallarhorn ms?

>>14847362
yep

>>14847373
How does that relate to the discussion?

>>14847359
>What about Frau and the doormat in Zeta.
>since Garrod and Tiffa
>Fraw Bow: 1979
>Fa Yuiry: 1985
>Tiffa Addil: 1996
>SINCE
But anyway, Fraw and Fa were both annoying people who didn't want them, just look at how Amuro and Kamille reacted to them:
Amuro pined over Matilda-san and Lalah, Fraw Bow settled for Hayato
Kamille chased Four and put up with Rosamia just to piss Fa off. The only time he showed any interest in her at all was when he could see her boobs in her bathrobe. She only "won" him after he was liteally retarded.
Mika actually shows that he cares about Atra and she supports him without pestering him for attention.
>>14847378
They weren't Tekkadan casualties.

>>14847384
>>But anyway, Fraw and Fa were both annoying people who didn't want them, just look at how Amuro and Kamille reacted to them:
>Amuro pined over Matilda-san and Lalah, Fraw Bow settled for Hayato
And Mika pines for Orga

>>14847390
No, Mika and Orga are stuck in a perpetual game of chicken, involving the entire world.
>Hey bro, I'm gonna put us in an armed conflict with the fucking UN, bro.
>Oh yeah? Well I'm gonna take this Mobile Suit and beat em all, even when we're vastly outnumbered, bro!

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>>14847340
>It's nice to see an actual concerted effort from a military force instead of just a handful of MS on each side
>second half of 0079
>Zeta's abundance of Nemos, Hi-zacks, and Marasais
>CCA and the crucial Jegans
>Unicorn's Zeonwank
>Victory
And besides, the majority of the battles in IBO are small skirmishes between 5 or so people. For that matter, many conflicts can be described as such in reality, especially among fighter jets and other expensive military vehicles. Large-scale military operations are expensive and relatively uncommon.

>Atra's crush on Mika is
>pointless loli fanservice
I could mention Ple here, but that's just one coincidence and she was actually a relevant character. On the other hand, big eyebrows, loli, and harem are a more questionable coincidence, much like Meme Char and Okada-fied Garma.

>>14847384
>Ple
>Shakti
>Audrey
>Rain
>China

>Mika actually shows that he cares about Atra and she supports him without pestering him for attention.
>he doesn't know how harems work
>he doesn't know Atra is a cuckold
>he thinks there is such a thing as a pure crush

>>14847419
>Large-scale military operations are expensive and relatively uncommon.

Does Tekkedan ever really qualify as large scale?.

Most Gundam show shave large scale battles at some point anyways.

>>14847419
>Hizacks and Marasai
>Jegans
>Unicorn's Zeonwank
>Victory
all 100% mobile suits. I think you missed the point of my comment.

>Ple
Psycho, star-crossed enemy pilot, Judau wasn't interested anyway
>Shakti
Been a while since I watched Victory, but I'm pretty sure the reason she survived is because she's the only female who never acted like they liked Uso romantially.
>Audrey
Total stand-off bitch
>Rain
It took 50 episodes for Domon to stop being a total stand-off bitch. It was an AWESOME ending, and I loved it, but he dumped on her the whole show up until then
>China
Okay, I'll give you that one. China was top-tier.

>>14847419
>small skirmishes between 5 or so people.
and 20-30 MW's
i know you're used to only paying attention to the big robots, but c'mon, man...

>>14847436
Majority of fights didn't have mobile workers.

>>14847440
If only because mobile workers can't into space.

But they are the bread and butter of ground campaigns.

>>14847435
>>all 100% mobile suits. I think you missed the point of my comment.
Tanks were fairly useless against mobile suits.
Even in the first episode they couldn't beat the grazes.

Most of the fights with mobile workers had them fighting other mobile workers.

It was essentially two separate fights rather than a concerted effort.

They are like the balls or the mobius of IBO.

Anyways specialized mobile suits works better for the idea because the shows push the idea that everything else is useless.

>>14847450
A ball has the ability to destroy 6 Rick Doms though

>>14846056
>>14846878

A lot of Gundam series fights are pretty one-sided though.

>>14847435
>all 100% mobile suits
To be fair, you did state 'actual concerted effort from a military force instead of just a handful of MS on each side'. Fleets of MS qualifies as an actual concerted effort from a military force. That aside, MS making other weapons redundant well established within most settings and watching tanks bombard each other from afar is as boring as stock footage beam spam.

>Psycho, star-crossed enemy pilot
>spent most of her screentime on the Argama hassling Judau
>Shakti's the only female who never acted like they liked Uso romantially
>but Mika totally treats Atra romantically
>Audrey is a total stand-off bitch
>So Banana's affection means nothing with that in mind
>It took 50 episodes for Domon to stop being a total stand-off bitch
>So Rain's affection means nothing with that in mind
Reminder the first example that Atra was compared to was Garrod. By that logic, it could be defined as one character's affection for another, not necessarily reciprocated feelings. Although Garrod and Tiffa do fit that in a way, this is about Atra - not the relationship which is in itself already a cancerous mass on this show.

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>you're walking down a narrow grocery store aisle with your cart and run into Mika
>he says this to you

What do?

>>14847468
Really depends on the show, but a lot of shows at least had a lot of no names to kill off. Its really the combination of being one sided and having a bunch of drama about the expected losses beforehand.

Also there was nothing as boring as watching the freedom spam lasers and destroy armies when Kira had at most destroyed five mobile suits in a fight before that.

>>14847472
>>14847450
It's the same with irl tanks and infantry. If both sides field a tank, the tanks focus on each oher. And infantry isn't nearly as effective against tanks as tanks are. But that didn't cause all battles to be tanks-only in th way that most battles in Gundam are MS-only. I'm just saying it's nice to see other things happening during the ground battles than everyone just hanging back and watching the MS.
And yeah, the Ball is a good analog for the MW's, but we only got to see them at A Baoa Qu and the only time we ever actually saw the pilot of a Ball was in the first episode of 08th.
>>14847472
>it could be defined as one character's affection for another, not necessarily reciprocated feelings
Sure, if you want to argue with me about what I meant in my own post. So I'll clarify:
Usually Gundam romantic "interests" are completely one-sided or are convoluted by the plot. Two kids who like each other and take care of each other with absolutely no drama between them is almost unheard of in Gundam, and the reason I say "almost" is solely because of Garrod and Tiffa.

>>14847483
Fucking wreck this manlet, while loudacris is playing in my head.

Manlets never learn

>>14847503
No in real life infantry can damage tanks.

They are essentially an outdated weapon trying to perform the same role.

>>14847503
Again, Mika shows little to no romantic interest in Atra. He never even showed much to Kudelia past his sheer autism, but to pretend than there's anything more than Atra's cuckoldry and Mika's existing is nuts. Too much of Okada's shit tropes got shoehorned into the show, Atra included. Although at that point it becomes less of a problem for originality in Gundam and more a problem for originality in general, most Gundam AUs are still just as distinct from one another until Zeta takes over. There haven't been that many.

You know Mika's invincibility is getting really tiresome. Nothing challenges him and he doesn't give a shit about anything. It's getting lame. He is the least interesting part of the show by far now and I wish he would just stay out because when he shows up he's going to do his typical one-note bullshit nothin personnel kid and it kills all the tension. I don't know how people can continue to find him being lol crazy XD so cool week after week.

>>14847533
Mika fucking spazzes out any time someone is about to hurt Atra.

>>14847513
What makes you think MW's can't damage MS's? They're at a severe disadvantage, but fit's not like MS have a "can only be damaged by MS" buff.
As for "outdated" the show states that MW's repaced MS, not the other way around. The ep 26 narration says that Tekkadan's success caused the effectiveness of MS to be appreciated again.
>>14847533
He was thoughtful enough to put her bracelet behind his back before he shot Crank, and he was totally about to jack the new kid in her defense (of course he did that in defense of Cookie and Cracker, too).
>cuckoldry
Thank you for reminding me I need to re-up my filters.

>>14847540
Mika spazzed out when he thought the twins got ran over.

Its just what he does.

>>14847543
>What makes you think MW's can't damage MS's? They're at a severe disadvantage, but fit's not like MS have a "can only be damaged by MS" buff.

First 3 episodes of IBO stated they couldn't do anything against the plating.

>As for "outdated" the show states that MW's repaced MS, not the other way around. The ep 26 narration says that Tekkadan's success caused the effectiveness of MS to be appreciated again.
Its IBO older is better.

>>14847540
He goes crazy when someone hurts those he consider his family, be them Atra or Biscuit's sisters.

>>14847539
Except Mika loses/fights to a draw all the time? He lost to pigtail-chan, Macgillis, and got handicapped from fighting Ein.

>>14847561
>He lost to pigtail-chan
He didn't lose

>Macgillis
Char not being useless in the early episodes is nothing new.

>>14847561
>got handicapped from fighting Ein.
Ein got killed after becoming allahu vagina.
he won.

>>14847561

Does the handicap actually matter when it doesn't affect his fighting ability in the mech and he's stronger with his one hand than most people with both hands twice his size? And he didn't draw against Ein, he beat Ein, even though Ein literally became the robot just to fight him.

And he was about to kill Lafter anyway before the fight got stopped. That wasn't a draw, the fight was just called off. It's bullshit.

Mika is a shit character because he never loses, he's never even challenged, even when people are able to "match" him he's never serious/trying because he doesn't give a fuck, he has no emotional investment in any of his fights except maybe against Carta and Carta is the Poe of IBO so he was beating a babby. This character is simply not interesting because there is no reason to be invested in him and even he has no investment so how can the audience? He is just there to be Orga's win button and it's shit.

Seriously, he is IBO's Inaho. But Inaho is boring as fuck and lame but Mika is soooooo cool because he's so crazy ^_^.

>>14847561
He was also on the losing side against the Kimaris Trooper, before the Grimgerde bailed him out.

>>14847543
>He was thoughtful enough to put her bracelet behind his back before he shot Crank
That has no romantic meaning. Men and women can care about each other's feelings without having sexual attraction, especially those who had known each other so familiarly since childhood. That draws Okada's writing even more into question, although this is cliche for her at this point.
>(of course he did that in defense of Cookie and Cracker, too)
So your argument has no merit, basically.

And Atra literally wants Kudelia to fuck Mika. This isn't a meme.

>>14847575
I would like to add that he doesn't even have the "emotionless killer" autism like Heero or Setsuna either. He is perfectly amiable to his allies, has a peaceful farming dream that he wants to accomplish, and everyone on his side loves him. The only people who don't are quickly portrayed as being retarded.

>>14847592
Setsuna was never emotionless, you stupid fucker.

>>14847362
Ye, Arianrhod even, so not even allied with Tekkadan

>>14847598
He's more human than Heero, but not as much as Mikazuki.
Mika wants to settle down and become a subsistence farmer, Soran wants to become GUNDAM. In his defense, though, I can totally see why he thought the 0 Gundam was God the first time he saw it. But to hold on to that whole Mujadeen thing years after he found out it's just an advanced mobile suit was more than a little crazy. It did sort of fit what they were actually trying to do, though, but even his fellow extremists commented on how extreme he was.

>>14847622
Wanting to be a farmer doesn't make a character more human.

>>14847622
>Mikazuki
>human
He's only shown one flash of emotions in 28 episodes between 2 seasons. Nah, man. He's barely has any emotions, forget Setsuna, Heero showed more personality then Mikazuki did in the first two episodes of Wing.

And to add, Setsuna has shit like pulling a gun and threatening to kill Tieria when he scolded Setsuna by threatening to have him removed as a Gundam Meister as well as frequent displays of anger and emotional reactions (Nena saving him, God with Gundam equation,e tc...).

>>14847633
>as well as frequent displays of anger
What is this hand doing?
Did you forget him choke-lifting Gaelio when he thought they'd run over Cookie and Cracker? Feeling sorry for Atra and spending his own money to buy her food? The fact that he was volunteering to help at the farm to help out? When he was offended that he thought Kudelia's remarks that everything was her fault belittled his comrades? When he ate the meal Kudelia said she fucked up and complimented it so she wouldn't feel so self-conscious about trying to help? When he stayed in the car because Cookie and Cracker were terrified? Mika cares.

The only times Heero ever showed any emotion was driving town to town offering to let people kill him and whining about that girl and her dog in EW.

>>14844709
Werent a lot of AGE kids ... not humanoid?

I can understand why people who buy gundam want their gundam to look like gundam
>>14844830
I think the shes going to get fucking REKT a bunch of times then eventually get Mecha Gali to provide her with Alaya Vijina so she can be a full beast mode acrobatic ninja

>>14846618
When you're on the battlefield on the edge of The Capital of a Country... You cant always stick around to check your victims pulse

He didnt tell anyone because he knew he could get his sweet revenge if he became Char.

>>14847512
Ill be the one masterbating in public while he beats you down with his lifeless arm and eats fruit with the other.

>>14847561
Mika one mans armys of no names
>Idk guys this is a little unrealistic
Mika has to become gundam to defeat Big Bad Evil Perfect Cyborg
>What a bitch, he aint even Newtype

theres no pleasing people.

>>14847633
i actually like Mikazuki for that. It's like when i play vidya , no reaction untill someone gets in my way , breaks my shit or etc. It just feels more natural to me. Also i'm pretty sure he will die at the end or turn into zoe2 pilot.

>>14847662
>theres no pleasing people.
It would help if you picked things that showed that there was a contradiction and had any kind of proof both opinions are widely shared by the same people.

>>14847675
We will find out Mecha Gali got Eins brain put in his helmet then they will jerry rig Mikas lifeless body to barbados

>>14847681
Ein spanked The Turbines which gave Tekkadan and rekt plenty of nameless grunts, this should set a benchmark for how op he was.

By this same virtue Mika is untouchable to anyone who doesnt have Alaya Vijina... or is Char.

>>14847633
Can this meme die?

Mika has shown to be a caring individual, he's clearly mentally ill, but he's had meaningful exchanges with Orga, Kudelia and Atra.

We made a big fucking chart for some dumbass that maintained that Mika never smiled.

>>14847539

Yeah i sort of agree on this. His assertive recklessness constantly winning him situations is becoming dull to watch without him getting taken down a peg or two once in a while.

Am hoping Julieta can at least put him in his place in the next episode at least.

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>All of episode 3 has Hush bitching he isn't a pilot yet

Jesus, can someone just give this poor kid a Gundam already or something.

>>14847687
Ein didn't actually manage to kill any mobile suit pilots and what does that have to do with a random power up?

>>14847726
>Mika gets clowned as per the rules of shonen battle
>Hush gets to pilot Barbatos

You have ten seconds to come up with how this blows up in the kid's face.

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>>14847720
>Am hoping Julieta can at least put him in his place in the next episode at least.
from the little we saw in preview she either stuggles or doesn't fight him at all.
my guess is Iok will get in trouble and she will have to give up on killing pirate bullseye to bail him out

>>14847720

Yeah, this, it's only entertaining when there is something on the line. With Mika there's no tension, no excitement. You know he will win, and he will win onesidedly.

>>14847734
I was more trying to dissect IBO combat into a metric that rationalizes Mikazukis performance... People bitch that hes too good and that he isnt good.

Despite not killing The Turbines Ein easily rekt them before going off for his final showdown. He went from basically useless to above Ace pilots just because of his Alaya Vijina.

It would be fair to say the Alaya Vijina is why Mikazuki can destroy entire armies by himself

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>>14847742
Fucking Lok.
Rastas are supposed to chill.

>>14847777
I think you miss the point of why people hate the fight scenes.

>>14847777
>It would be fair to say the Alaya Vijina is why Mikazuki can destroy entire armies by himself
Quads confirm. All hail the Aligned Vagina
>>14847778
He looks more Inuit than Rasta to me. Maybe it's the eye makeup.

>>14847742
I feel, if she fights Mika or not, she will get AV envy. Maybe she even gets in repeating fights with Mika to avenge her Honor instead of Crank-Nii, goes full Ein to try and beat him.

Given that shes naturally talented unlike Ein she would likely put up a way better fight with the perfect AV.

>>14847783

If he was inuit he would look like he has fetal alcohol syndrome.

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>>14847783
Dunno, but since the character designer is Itoh, I notice a lot of Mongolian looking folk.
Especially Bullseye and his crew.

>>14847777

It doesn't matter if he's godlike because he has AV or not. It's just boring. If he had no AV and still fought like this and always won so handily with no emotional investment in any of his fights, it would still be boring.

When you have him doing the same shit every fight where he just runs aggressively at the enemy because he doesn't care, and he's not trying, and he doesn't even know who his enemy is, there is only so many times you can make that fun by saying "oh he's really crazy and aggressive." After awhile it gets old because if he doesn't care, why should I care? If enemies are fighting him for revenge and he doesn't even remember them, then it's all just a big joke. Mikazuki is a stale and limited character.

Right now in this show we basically have Mikazuki as God and McGillis is just as godlike only he doesn't use AV. And everyone else just exists to job. These two characters stand as kings above the rest and every other character is mediocre, barely surviving until it's time for the gods to step down and waste them without trying. It's the equivalent of playing some video game for hundreds of hours and then some guy with all the pay 2 win shit whose dad works at Nintendo comes and oneshots you from 8000 yards with some epic raid weapon that there are only 3 of in the world. How are you ever going to catch up to that? How is that game fun when you know that no matter how hard you try some shithead like that can obliterate you with no chance of fighting back?

And it might be interesting if Mika was the villain. But he's not, and the people he fights are cartoonishly evil/incompetent retards.

Shit is terrible.

SO FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF THE PAST THREE EPISODES (so important it's in all caps). WHO DECIDED THE COMPANY CAR WOULD BE GOLD?

>>14847780
This. It isn't so much that he's too good as it is that a lack of issues while piloting adds to the lifelessness of the fights. As do the laughably low-budget QUALITY bits in between laughably low-budget stills, clouds, and incessant jump-cuts to minimize mechanical motion. Which is made all the worse because they jump to cockpit shots that actually have some base level of polish, then back to the clumsily-handled action.

the earth rodis they are using look way better than their ugly as shit red things. Maybe its the color scheme

>>14847809
Looks more yellow than gold to me.

>>14847808
I dont know if you dont pay attention or just fail to appreciate why he has this social detachment. Because hes insecure about his self worth hes there to do a job he can, and he gets the job done.

Sure I wish Carta put up a better fight, but part of the point is he didnt give her a chance.

and in my own personal opinion, the fact that he isnt out for revenge while the rest of Tekadan watch him get THEIR revenge for Biscuit is FUCKING BAD ASS.
By this virtue alone he is now less evil then every single antagonist gundam has every produce who refuse to fight unless its for Muh Revenge.

Shits Epic

>>14847849

I don't give a fuck, it's boring.

>>14847813
Ill admit after recently rewatching Unicorn i wish they would crank the mech porn to 11.

>>14847650
He showed no emotions, no even facial changes. He is literally flat as a character. Nothing at all ever changes with Mikazuki.

>>14847873
that's what defines Mika as a character. He's so simple and really has no desire to think outside of his basic needs and the good of his comrades

>>14847908

That's boring.

>>14847915
I think it's a nice change from "Even so, we shouldn't have to fight the battles of you adults and your lies!" which is really getting rather old.

>>14847920

So that's it? We either get Tomino Protagonist mk40 or Kaizuka Inaho? Setsuna was also an emotionally damaged child soldier and he managed to be likable, interesting, sympathetic, complex, even compelling.

Mikazuki is seriously nothing more than an edgy Inaho.

>>14847908
Its kind of inaccurate to day he has no desire.
Hes learned to read so he can be more useful in the hanger and is now experimenting with what plants can grow on Mars...
The Man is effectively moving ahead of the curve in the terraforming of Mars with nothing but martian well being in mind.... With one working arm I might add.

>>14847908
That still isn't characterization. if you think its "a nice change", then flat characters like Kira Yamato and Inaho from A/Z are up your alley. You talk about him choking Gaelio but so what? His face, his voice, his reactions, are still the same deadpanned emotionless average he shows throughout the story.

Mikazuki has zero personality.

>>14847854
Unicorn was special.

Powerlevels in gundam don't really mean anything. Characters will be as good as they need to be for the sake of the plot.

I think the fight scenes don't match the tone of the plot, they are supposed to be underdogs.

Ein was the first thing to actually look menacing, but it was lackluster so there is a lot of backlash.

>>14847937
Kira wasn't flat until he was brainwashed by Lacus and her cronies.

>>14847949
Kira was always flat and 1 dimensional.

>>14847929
>he managed to be likable, interesting, sympathetic, complex, even compelling.
He did?
I liked him, sure, but he was hardly complex.
>ignorant child in underdeveloped country
>tricked into joining terrorist cel because GOD
>recruited into joining terrorist cel because GUNDAM
>super-duper-ultra-determined
>fails at emoting anything but anger
vs
>ignorant kid from underdeveloped planet
>volunteers to join merc company because BRO
>fails at emoting anything but anger

I'm not hating on either of them, but Setsuna and Mikazuki are on even terms here. They're both extremely simple people with one-track minds permanently set on SOLDIER.

Mikazuki has a personality, but that's not the point. The point is that his personality is shitty and doesn't make for an interesting character. If IBO had movie-quality animation it would still be boring simply because its central character has no fucking stake in anything happening.

Ultimately the mobile suit is just that, a suit worn by the pilot. And we root for the hero because when he fights the villain, we have grown to know both the hero and the villain, and we hate the villain, and we like the hero, and we have watched them struggle and grow and clash against each other for the length of the series/movie and now this is the culmination of their wills, ideals, and feelings.

Mika is a TOTAL DEAD FISH, thus ensuring all of that is gone. So why are we watching? Because it's Gundam and maybe there will be some sick robot fights. Well, there aren't, and just being Gundam will only take you so far.

That's why Mika sucks. He lames the show.

>>14847937
>hurr

>>14847953
He went through a bunch of progression if anything he was a bitch, not complex, but not really a flat character.

>>14847959
>no rebuttal
Nice.

>>14847957
>ignorant child
He was brained washed into killing his parents, shooting his mother, fighting an insurgency against a vastly larger and superior country (Azadistan), lost his homeland, and his faith before being indoctrainted into Celestial Being. Setsuna showed more then one facial reaction or emotion throughout 00.

vs

>Orphan with zero emotions
>Zero personality
>No real individual desires outside of mindlessly following whatever Orga tells him to do
>Never changes his reactions almost 99% of the time regardless of circumstances or situations revolving around him

>>14844302
>>14844348
Gali is now a cyborg with full acess to vagina system?

>>14847965
>Kira
>bunch of progression
He went from level 0 to level 99 in a handful of episodes in terms of piloting skill but outside of having conflicting emotions of fighting Athrun and Athrun and Kira constantly screaming each others name, he really doesn't show any dynamic and he stales by midway into SEED. The show is fresh on my mind, I even marathoned it to rewatch it like 3 months ago.

>>14844352
>tfw Orga wiil never fuck Merrybit or Mika will have a treesome with Kooldelia and Atra.
At least McGillis fucked Galki sister

>>14847973
>zero emotions
>Zero personality
>No real individual desires
I hate to be like the Genki No Reconguista crowd but...
Damn, man, have you been paying attention at all? Have you even read this thread? Because we've been over all of that and listed all the things you evidently didn't pay attention to.

>>14847957
Even if what you said was true for Setsuna, which it isn't, showing one or two emotions is still better then what Mika ever did, which is none.

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>character emotes
>BAWWW FUCKING SHITTY BETA KEK GROW A PAIR AND BE A REAL MAN
>character doesn't emote
>BAWWWW FUCKING SHITTY STATIC NONCHARACTER WHERE'S THE CHARACTER GROWTH

>character occasionally emotes
>BAWWW FUCKING SHITTY UNREALISTIC CHARACTER PROBABLY A MARY SUE TOO

Why are people on /m/ so bent over fleshbags though?

>>14847957

At first Setsuna is a detached, nearly emotionless operative who seems as unfeeling as the robot he's in.

By the end of the first season we learned that he's actually incredibly traumatized and that he is one of the true believers of CB, that he equates Gundams to God's emissaries, forces of justice in a shit world, and he wants to eliminate the schisms in the world that create people like him and allow people like Ali to thrive.

By the end of S1 what have we learned about Mika?

>He does shit because Orga tells him to.

>>14847992
I love you

>>14847992

We're actually having a discussion. You are shitting that discussion up with your post that contributes nothing. Fuck off, you're the biggest shitposter in the thread right now.

>>14847981
There's that "we" bullshit again with the hive mind nonsense.

>>14847996
>He does shit because Mika tells him to
>He is a true believer of Orga and finding a better world for all his comrades. He equates battles to steps toward the life he wants, a better world where orphans aren't forced to risk their lives for people who own them, and he wants to protect the people close to him and eliminate those who would hurt innocents like Cookie, Cracker, and Atra.

By the end of your post, what have we learned about you?

>He needs a blinking neon sign to indicate when a character feels something because he can't understand motivations without accompanying exaggerated facial expressions

>>14848007
Suck my cockpit.

>>14848014
Hello apologist, he's actually right though.

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>>14847992
>GIVE ME ATTENTION

>>14848013
I'm not the only person who can tell Mika has emotions. There's at least one other person in this thread who isn't socially retarded.
Also I did not remotely imply that everyone shares my opinion. If the whole conversation was just me and one person disagreeing with me, "we" have already gone over the "mika has no feelings" stupidity.

Shove that "hivemind" back up the ass you pulled it from, I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority in genuinely liking this show.

>>14847978
His conflicting emotions with Athrun was at the forefront and really didn't go anywhere until he went into a rage. Also his piloting abililty was kind of out of nowhere the whole time.

I'd say most of his development had to do with Flay.

He started out having emotional problems with piloting beyond just the bitching he has a panic attack and locks himself in the cockpit.

There was his relationship with Flay, which sparked a lot of the development. She started manipulating him and he started becoming more hostile and insecure to the point of sleeping in the cockpit.

He eventually started calming down after he met Cagalli and killed the tiger, but that just lead him to become increasingly guilty.

He was also trying to deal with the idea of him being a race traitor and resolving his differences with the rest of the crew.

By the time he was about to fight Athrun for the last time he was about to have a talk with Flay.

All of it kind of ends after his fight with Athrun, but he had some shit going on.

>>14848024
Did you try reading the green words too?
Because I think you might have missed something.

>>14847735

>Implying you need that much time

Barbato's Alotta Vagina system is TOO MUCH HIGH POWER MAN for Hush to handle and almost kills him

This "durrrr Mika DOES have feelings" bullshit is the weakest thing that IBO apologists pull. Like if he has literally 1 emotion or whatever your entire argument is invalid, when it was never about him having NO emotions or NO personality, it's that the one he has is shit and detracts from the show.

>>14848047
>a war orphan behaving like a war orphan detracts from the show about war orphans

Holy shit why aren't war orphans tripping over their massive balls and being swole as fuck?

>>14848063

If I wanted to watch some hyper realistic shit about war orphans I would be watching documentaries or Beasts of No Nation or some other shit. I am watching an anime for entertainment, stop bullshitting like Tekkadan is super realistic to the war orphan experience, too.

He is fucking boring. He's like if you were watching The Karate Kid and at the end it turns out the entire Cobra Kai lost offscreen to some random autismal Chinese kid and then the kid emotionlessly beats Daniel-san in 1 kick, then goes back home. Mika is that Chinese kid.

>>14848047
I like how you can't tell the difference between your own impression and objective fact. Other people are able to see that Mika cares about the people around him even if he does have that thousand-yard-stare because he's a veteran. That actually does make your argument invalid since you seem to think that your inability to pick up on that ruins the show for anyone instead of just for you.
Also your insistence on calling people who like what you do "apologists" instead of just accepting that some people are going to like something even if you don't.

Please understand, though, that I'm not telling you to like the show. That's your opinion and that's fine (for you). I'm just saying you don't seem to grasp the concept that other people might see it differently from you, and wondering why you are in a thread for a show you don't like instead of watching a show you do like.

>>14848076

Are you illiterate or something?

>>14848069
>If I wanted to watch some hyper realistic shit about war orphans I would be watching documentaries or Beasts of No Nation or some other shit
So you're watching the wrong show, not the show's fault. Fuck off and watch something else instead of crying to us that you can't understand the man character.

>>14848085

But I can understand him, retard. I simply find him boring and his presence in the show to make the show more boring as he removes tension instead of adding excitement.

Since you cannot understand this simple concept and just repeat "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT" over and over again, one can surmise that you have no actual argument.

>>14848082
Yes, I am unable to read or write. I'm just hitting random keys on the keyboard and hoping whatever comes out is vaguely insulting.
Is it working? I can't tell.

>>14848094
Kamille is a boy's name!

>>14848039
Yeah. Mika doesn't seem to beat up about the fact that because of him and Tekkadan there are more child soldiers and children being put into slavery. He doesn't care about other orphans, he only cares about himself and Tekkadan. He doesn't care about those who will hurt innocents, he only cares about who he has to kill so that Tekkadan has a brighter tomorrow. That's it. Mika isn't working towards a better future for all of Mars, he just wants to get his friends to a point where they can have normal, legitimate jobs were they aren't being shot at constantly while he has his farm.

>>14848094
>I find him boring
>make the show more boring
So quit crying and watch something else.
My god, man, do I have to think of everything?

>>14844918
>>14844953
>>14844961

orga needs to it that 30-somethings ass.

so what if it's a bit pudgy. man needs to fuck.

I am one of those gritty UC master race grunts-loving fags. In relation to that, I love IBO conceptually. If you pitched the general gist of IBO to me ("It's like Gundam meets Escaflowne meets Beasts of No Nation!"), I would greenlight that show in an instant.

In execution it just flounders. The writing fails to compel and the art fails to impress. What's left is a mediocre thing that unmemorably mumbles along until it's finally, quietly done. If you're particularly young and uncritical then I'm sure it's a lot more enjoyable.

>>14848111

You literally cannot defend this shit at all, and it's pathetic. All your comebacks are >you just don't get it. >don't like it? don't watch it. GJ IBOfag.

>>14848144
>the writing fails to compel ME
>and the art fails to impress ME
fixd that for you
Please remember that your opinions are not universal and stating them as absolutes makes you look
>particularly young
to me.

>>14848152
Your whole "argument" is
>I DON'T LIKE THING
and quite frankly I'm tired of giving you attetion. The counter-points to all of your points have already been explained in the thread. If you think I'm going to care that you still ignore all of that and continue
>I DON'T LIKE THING
you're mistaken. No more (You) for you.
You're wasting your tine focusing on something you've decided not to like, but you will not waste any more of my time trying to explain it to you because you don't want to understand it you just want to cry about not liking it.
Good night.

>>14848172

>You can't not like it.

>>14848144
>It's like Gundam meets Escaflowne

What? How is it like that at all?

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>>14848157
I've made the objectively true evaluation that most people who aren't a teenager or an adult on the autism spectrum would not actually be entertained by this show. I think you'll find that it holds up in practice.

The art is objectively sub-par. Even you know that. That's mostly just a money issue though.

>>14848034
>>14848039
(You) are definitely retarded.

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The bitch is really doing it, she is bringing a character back for purely fanservice because he was popular.

Remember when anime directors had integrity and put their artistic vision before fan pandering?

I don't think I'll watch this shit again, it was already a pretty mediocre series before this.

>>14848587
What if the plan was to bring him back in the second half ever since the planning stages?

>>14848618
Then she is a worse writer than I thought.

But I doubt that. The amount of bullshit she will have to force feed you guys for this asspull to """""""make sense""""""" wouldn't ever have been greenlit.

>>14848660
Mcgills needs to get killed by someone to fix ghallajohn politics after hes done reforming them, he decided to give that role to galigali because childhood friends. Hes pulling a lelouch.

>>14848587
Frankly, I think the plan was that from the beginning. The true question now is, McGillis will become a total villan or will be a kind of Treize Khushrenada?

>>14848959
I dont think hell be a total villain, his methodology was fucked up but his reasons were (at least in part) noble. Hell probably be an antagonist.

>>14848660
Very little actually.

The cockpit didn't suffer a direct hit or was crushed or anything.
We never saw Gali-Gali's corpse.

There are two possible outcomes.
McGillis knew what he was doing an kept him alive, to come back and punish him for his sins.

Or McGillis did a sloppy job of killing him because his own emotions got in the way.

Hell, maybe Gali was so fucked up that McGillis thought that there's no way for him to be alive and took off. (Since he had to book it before the situation was resolved and somebody found out about his involvement.)
And then Gali reenacted his own version of the Revenent and crawled and clawed his way back to civilization. At a certain point his identity was revealed and Rustall Elion took an interest. He made sure to keep his survival a secret so that he could use him as his ace in the hole against McGillis when the time is right.

There.

You know most people with at least a little genre savvy know, that as long as the audience hasn't seen a body, a character can't be confirmed dead.

>>14849007
Season 2 was confirmed as soon as season 1 ended which means it must've been internally confirmed a chunk before then. There's definitely time to plan out ideas like Gali coming for revenge influencing aspects of the ending to reflect that plot thread.

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Does anyone else get the impression barely anyone is watching this season?

Even mal seems to have got bored

>>14849086
Why would anyone here care what MAL thinks?