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Shin Godzilla

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Movie summary: http://pastebin.com/pW30aaHq

OST list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Ru-wduZ70&list=PL_Bg39cb6VXImKhiTQEB6vUwfPg1vjGD9

"Who Will Know" with lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrXTS10h2WI
Do any of you else plan on getting figures of the new design?
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Daily reminder that Anno is a hack who hasn't directed anything good in the past 20 years.
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Autist waifu, monitoring this thread
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Daily reminder that Anno is a master who has directed amazing things in the past 20 years.
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>>14842897
This movie isn't 20 years old, silly
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbN7QGpeURU
Did anyone else notice that when Shin melting his eyeballs when he first uses his atomic breath?
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>>14842911
His eyes rolled back into his head like a shark to protect them.
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Reposting Norman "pillar of the community" England's facebook review

> Watched it. It's a militaristic right-wing mess about how great the JSDF is and how they should rearm Japan, that takes every chance it has to insult the US, and depicts women as either sociopaths (the minister and the scientist) or drooling idiots (the "American" lady who can't speak English) while all the problems are solved by tall clever handsome supercompetent men. It's misogynistic to the core and echoes all the problems in Japanese society, especially in the mindset of shut-in loser otaku like the director, Anno. One of the worst movies I've ever seen, period. It's not even a real kaiju movie, because 99% of the film is just Anno soapboxing his politics using bad actors as mouthpieces. There's barely any acting, because the people in the film just constantly spew out non-stop political rhetoric, which takes the place of any form of plot. What little monster action there is in the film is abyssmal- Godzilla's first form is hilariously out of place and despite being CG somehow manages to look like a bad puppet from a black and white era film. The CG in general is pathetic, and what little practical effects there are looks like a child playing with his toy trains. Godzilla himself starts off looking intimidating enough but falls victim to the bad CG when he starts moving faster and shooting lasers at the beginning of the second act. The film has no climax either, as the biggest confrontation is midway through the film, while the final confrontation is done by force-feeding the big lizard some sort of chemical through giant straws mounted on cement trucks. It's so cheap that it's just sad. I am very disappointed.
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>>14842917
And the stuff he said on the Japantimes review

>Norman England is a life-long Godzilla fan and former reporter for Fangoria magazine who has spent months on “Godzilla” film sets and saw “Shin Godzilla” last month at a special industry screening. He notes a dramatic departure in the new film from the series’ traditional pacifistic stance. “This is the first film in the series to go for the jugular in trying to elicit rah-rah support for the military and sympathy for the government,” England says, likening the film’s not-so-subtle nationalism to the blatant flag-waving found in Roland Emmerich’s 1996 sci-fi epic “Independence Day.” "Godzilla was originally imagined as a metaphor for the horrors of war and the devastation war brings to people."
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>>14842892
This picture makes me uncomfortable.
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Norman England (born April 24, 1959) is a film director, actor and film reporter based primarily in Japan. As a reporter he has extensively covered the Millennium Godzilla movies and the new wave of Japanese horror. To date he is the only non-Japanese to have worn the iconic Godzilla suit during production.[citation needed] He directed his first film The iDol in 2005. He emigrated to Japan in 1993 and soon established himself as a writer of the kaiju movie genre. In 1998, he spent a week on the set of George A. Romero's television commercial for the Capcom video game Resident Evil 2, where he met Anthony Ferranti who introduced him to the editors of Fangoria magazine.[citation needed] In 1999, England became the Japan correspondent for Fangoria, through which he became the first westerner to write about the new wave of Japanese horror movies in the mainstream press.[according to whom?] During this time he has also written for publications including Hobby Japan, Japanzine, Starlog, Flix, Japanese Giants, and The Japan Times.[citation needed]

As he is based in Japan, England has been able to spend much time on the sets of the films themselves[citation needed], often logging days beyond simple reporter visits[citation needed]. He spent more than 100 days on set of the Millennium Godzilla series of movies produced between 1999 and 2004[citation needed], including the 2001 movie Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack[citation needed] on which he visited the set almost continuously from April to October[citation needed] and became the only non-Japanese to have worn the Godzilla suit while the a movie was actively in production.[citation needed]
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>>14842914
Really? I honestly thought they went splut because it happened so quickly.
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>>14842931
It's really hard to see with the poor quality of the video and how quick it happens, but you can see them roll over and turn a shiny black
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>>14842917
>that takes every chance it has to insult the US
As a Burger I didn't get that vibe at all. It's more how fucked they are after World War II essentially just being another piece of American land.

Maybe I just forgot dialogue, but the only real insult I can think of was when someone said something along the lines of "How american-like".
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I'll do questionable things for a copy of the movie.
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>>14842911
>>14842914
It's a protective cover, we had this discussion a few weeks before the Japanese release. An Anon managed to get s pretty decent picture of the "Covers" which act as a Heat shield and for blinking.

The Covers themselves are a metallic silver and are shown quickly during different moments of the film.
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>>14842911
>>14842914
>>14842931
>>14842936
To me it looked more like he had a membrane that covered his eye.

Lot's of reptiles and amphibians have a sort of second eyelid that rolls over their eye when they go underwater to protect it without them having to close their eye entire, I figured it was something like that
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>>14842942
>>14842943
It's almost like when you see a cat or a dog blink their secondary eyelid things.

Shit's weird.
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>>14842948
So he's got metallic nictiating membranes.

Neat.
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>>14842942
>>14842943
>>14842948
A nictitating membrane is the word actually. Thanks for jogging my memory anons
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>>14842943

It's called a nictitating membrane.
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>>14842953
>>14842956
>>14842962
So a nocturnal emission, right, got it.
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>>14842967
Nicotine melody!
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>>14842972
Ninja monkey?
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>full service!
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Who do we must sacrifice for camrip
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please kill me it hurts to live
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>>14843021
A Kamata costume for a dog would be cool
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I'm shocked a Watanabe didn't show up in this. I honestly expected Ken and his wife to make some sort of cameo.
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A few things to clear up before I ask a rather damning question;
1. I absolutely LOVED Shin Godzilla. Probably my second favorite after 1954
2. I've only seen one episode of Eva, back when I was like 8 years old. All of my knowledge comes from an obssesive friend who saw ShinG with me purely because Anno

So I'm wondering, is Eva like all Anno has? Everyone says his robot in Naussica was Eva-esque, he keeps redoing the show over and over from what I hear, and apparently ShinG is "literally the first episode of Eva" according to my friend? Also the music too, apparently
I mean I don't know, I guess it isn't a bad thing, but it strikes me as being a one-trick pony
I don't why I keep thinking about thus either, it's been rattling in my head for a few days
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Honda, Kaneko, Anno. Holy Trinity of the Godzilla series.
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>>14843156
Eva is his most well-known work, but there's also Gunbuster, Wings of Honneaise, Daicon IV, Love and Pop, and the live action Cutie Honey
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Is the original 1954 movie really that good or is it just the usual "it's the first one so it's automatically the best" thing that happens with nearly every franchise across all mediums
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>>14843156
>Also the music too, apparently
Here, most of the music was just this:
https://youtu.be/WiDM_ffF76Y
You probably heard it several times during the movie
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Awaken, my masters.
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>>14843156
>ShinG is "literally the first episode of Eva" according to my friend?
Jesus Christ. It's looks like your friend trying to be pretentious. You can actually see Eva in everything if you want. Even in Titanic
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>>14843156
> Everyone says his robot in Naussica was Eva-esque, he keeps redoing the show over and over from what I hear

His work on Nausicaa was the jumpstart to his entire career. He singlehandedly animated a difficult sequence (God Warrior) and became a close student of Miyazaki. Left a strong impression on him. Beforehand he was working a deadend job and living at work.

But he does other things too. Check out Gunbuster, His and Her Circumstances, Cutie Honey, Love & Pop, or Ritual.
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So what do you think the next Toho Godzilla will be? Obviously there's the tail that implies something got out of Shin before his death, but I'm not too certain they'll use the same design.

If they do Shin again, do you think they'll use the evolution into human-like beings implied by the gruesome remains?
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>>14843190
Does pic related count?

As for a live-action, in-house production, I hope they don't make a sequel to Shin Godzilla without Anno.
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I can't believe the God Warriors in Nausicaa are actually Godzilla tail babies.
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>>14843199
It's space Godzilla.
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>>14843199
>Butcherzilla
My body is ready
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>>14843199
Urobochi is working on this right?
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>>14843206
>the God Warriors in Nausicaa are actually Godzilla tail babies.
THAT'S IT! That explains everything! If only we had known this sooner!
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>>14843213
Why is the lesbians box not a lesbian?
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>>14843218
FORBIDDEN LOVE meme
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>>14843181
>>14843168
I legitimately didn't know he did anything other than the robot in Naussica and Eva
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>>14843222
>>14843218
>>14843213
How the FUCK is there no Chinaboo box?

This is clearly made by some retard from /a/ who only watched Madoka and F/Z.
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>>14843227
That's because it was made when Madoka and F/Z were the only things out.
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>>14843229
>what is phantom
>what is kikokugai
>what is everything before madoka and f/z

nice one ret/a/rd
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>>14843213
>no Vjedogonia memes
EOP bingo
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>>14843214
Yes. He's doing the writing.
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>>14843172
No, it's seriously amazing. Unless your a faggot who can't appreciate old films because "the acting is wierd!!!!" or "its not in color!!!" I assume you aren't, but I figured I should cover my bases
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>>14843172
It's genuinely good and better than all the Showa, Heisei, Millenium, and American films. Shin may arguably be better.

Also it's a sci-fi suspense film, not a stupid monster movie.
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>>14843237
It being old isn't an automatic failure but i'm also not going to excuse it if it's age is legitimately a flaw that hampers it
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>>14843199
I'd rather have instead of a "Direct Sequel" to Shin Godzilla, we got a new "Origin Point".

For most of the Godzilla media Pre-Shin, 1954 was the Origin Point for Godzilla and his creature.
What I'd like to see is different films having their own take on the Shin Godzilla introduction.

>Universe 1
>Godzilla appeared, attacked Japan, and was frozen.
>A structure is built around Godzilla, constantly keeping him cold.
>Creatures sprouting out of his tail managed to get loose and take on new forms.
>After one(or more) grows to giant size, they unfreeze Godzilla as a way to combat the threat(s).

>Universe 2
>The Freezing plan failed, and the US dropped there nuke on Godzilla.
>The plan failed, resulting in Godzilla becoming stronger.
>His body polluted Japan, making it an uninhabited wasteland.
>Story takes place in a "Active Chernobyl scenario".

>Universe 3
>US went ahead and Nuked Godzilla.
>It effectively "Killed" Godzilla.
>Years later new monsters begin appearing.
>It's revealed that the pieces of Godzilla that survived grew into new forms.
>A new Godzilla is born through this.

Universe 4
>Shin is frozen and his tail is taken for research.
>The tail's "Godzillanoids" split off and become a group of small monsters.
>Their goal is return to Godzilla's body.
>Godzilla during his freezing, built up energy, and frees himself.
>His body changed and becomes a "Stable" form do to the other creatures separating from him.
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>>14843008
Norman England.
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>>14843156
Gunbuster is one of my favorite anime productions ever made, and Cutie Honey is an awesome movie.
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>>14843172

It's seriously great.

You could make an honest case that 1954 and Shin are the only movies in the franchise that are actual good "films" and not just "Good for a kaiju movie"
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>>14843242
It's not.
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>>14843254
I'd accept a sequel that was a mix of 1 and 4.

My own personal theory is that Godzillanoids are the individual microorganisms that went into the Shin Aggregate, they're basically 6 foot tall humanoid singular cells with properties of Eukaryotes and Prokaryotes.
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1954 and Shin are simply good.

2014 is an average Hollywood schlock.

Millenium Mecha Godzilla is an interesting attempt at making converting a mecha anime into live action.

All the rest are garbage.
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>>14843156

It's more than Eva is sort of Anno at his most unfiltered in that it's pretty much all of his recurring tropes, archetypes and imagery squeezed into one work, so it's logical that everything else he does is going to feel reminiscent of it.

It's sort of like how everything Cronenberg does calls back to his early body horror stuff, or like how Paranoia Agent kind of sums up everything Kon was about
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>>14843172
It's actually an enjoyable drama in its own right. It just happens to include a giant lizard.
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>>14843290

Also, let's be real, Eva owes a lot to old Toho stuff, so it's fitting that he'd wind up repaying the debt some way or another.
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>>14843156
Your friend's a fucking moron, shut the fuck up and watch Eva and judge for yourself.
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>>14843190

I kind of want Shin to be left alone and for the next big Godzilla thing to be the anime.

I feel like if they make Shin into the backbone of a new timeline, it'll honestly take away from it. Shin feels really self-contained, even with the stinger at the end.
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>>14843283
> Mothra vs Godzilla, Ghidorah, Monster Zero, Godzilla vs Hedorah, and GMK are garbage

All of the above are better films than G14 and GxM

> Gojira and Shin Godzilla are only good
Get out
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>>14843283
mechagodzilla, mothra and ghidorah were all really good. plenty of others are just fine.
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>>14843308
Okay Heisei Mothra was decent. But the rest are shit.
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>>14843306
I want to watch the new godzilla fight a couple of eva units t b h

there's even a context for it. biological material was harvested and studied during godzillas attack, and the first things humans do with it is make weapons with it.
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>>14843283
Gareth put too much time into making Godzilla an "Art film", but had good intentions.

What went wrong?
>Problem behind the scenes.
>Script changes from 12 script(Airport battle was a whole fight).
>Minor changes that make no sense.
>That stupid fucking Dog.
>Expecting an American audience to wait until the end of a movie for a single monster battle.
>Generic Solider having to get back to his family, who are in danger, but aren't really?
>Best Characters being wasted and/or underused.
>The Army doing fucking nothing but running around looking busy.
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>>14843321

>shin godzilla is the start of a parallel eva-verse where 2nd impact never happened
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>>14843327
Imagine Jaws or Alien. Replace the likeable characters the films have with dull characters and replace the the music with inappropriate/generic music. Also, have a painfully tiresome second act. Now you have Godzilla (2014).
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>>14843327
Just get rid of GI Joe and make the movie about his father the aged intellectual monster chasing nutcase and it's literally perfect.
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>>14843333
>EVA's Adam was actually a Godzillanoid that's fully grown and becomes "Pure energy".
>Godzilla was seen as a "Angel", but documentations of it was destroyed during First Impact.
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>>14843327
>That stupid fucking Dog.
?
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So tell me, will there be any scenes that are set in the rain so Higuchi can see through the actresses shirts?
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>>14843345

2014 had the potential to be great, but it just had the wrong protagonist. I really blame the script more than I blame Edwards, he did what he could with it, and he did manage to come up with a killer first act and a decently entertaining final act. But he just couldn't fix the big chunk of dead air that was the middle.
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>>14843172
It has a criterion release, so even the movie critic crowd recognize it.
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>>14843350
> will there be any scenes that are set in the rain so Higuchi can see through the actresses shirts?
He does this? When? Where?
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>>14843360
Gamera 3. He talked about how the climax is only set in a thunderstorm so the actresses shirts could get wet.
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>>14843349
During Godzilla arrival to Hawaii, there was a beach party going on and a dog was tied to a tree.
Once the wave caused by Godzilla began heading to shore, the dog broke the leash and run off.
During the Wave crashing through the city, the dog outruns the wave and "Gets to safety".

The problem I had with the dog was that though all the work that Gareth put into making a "realistic Godzilla" and a "Grounded Universe", a dog manages to escape a giant tidal wave that's ripping the area apart and flooding everything.
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>>14843350

Godzilla's naked throughout the movie.
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>>14843362
>that dog

And Norman England thinks SHIN is the one that's like Independence Day?
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>>14843362
I only remember the dog making it past the camera's POV ahead of the wave, I don't think we see it again?
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After the success of the recent American Godzilla film, directed by Star Wars: Rogue One main man Gareth Edwards, Japan’s venerable Toho Studios decided they too would dust off the old Kaiju for a new audience, tapping Hideaki Anno and Shinji Higuchi, veterans of the cult anime franchise Neon Genesis Evangelion, to direct. A new Godzilla movie from the original studio, helmed by two legends of anime? What could possibly go wrong?

Plenty, as it turns out. Or perhaps everything goes right, but the object of the exercise is to satirise Japanese bureaucracy in a manner that is largely impenetrable to outside audiences. Shin Godzilla – or Godzilla Resurgence, depending on where you are in the world – commits the cardinal sin of a monster movie: it’s a bore.

This is a reboot, so the broad strokes of the plot should be familiar to almost everyone: a giant reptile comes rampaging out of Tokyo Bay and begins laying waste to Japan; Japan responds, destruction reigns. That’s a versatile frame on which to hang all manner of narrative detail, but Anno and Higuchi have chosen to focus on the politicking and legislative procedure that goes into mounting a response, rather than the response itself. We should be seeing a desperate rearguard action against an unstoppable monster by overwhelmed human forces; instead, most of Shin Godzilla takes place indoors as we sit through a numbing number of meetings, conferences, debates and arguments as various interests try and maneuver around a Prime Minister too scared of potential political fallout to act decisively. Our nominal hero is Rando Yaguchi (Hiroki Hasegawa), a government functionary who puts together a maverick think tank to try and solve a problem like Godzilla, but in truth there’s not much to differentiate him from the army of suits he’s surrounded by. A few slightly more colourful characters crop up, such as Satomi Ishihara’s (allegedly) American envoy, but the human cast is basically awash.
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>>14843374
Shin Godzilla is a conga line of baffling choices. Why tell this story in this way? Why take the focus off the carnage and put it on the mechanics of government? Who the hell, to put it bluntly, thought this was a good idea? The whole exercise gets a generous mark because, hey, Godzilla, but this is definitely one of the weakest entries in the long-running series. Fans may enjoy those familiar old neural receptors being pinged once more, but don’t expect this effort to make any new converts.
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>>14843346

Did anyone else notice some familiar character archetypes from Eva too?

>Ogashira is adult Rei

>Patterson is adult Soryu

>Yaguchi and his friend with the glasses are pretty much genderflipped Misato and Ritsuko: one is the hotblooded idealist prone to barking orders, the other is the aloof pragmatist who works with the higher ups

>that one younger, mousy looking guy with the shaggy bowl hair on yaguchi's team has serious Shinji vibes

>Not eva related, but Yaguchi's underling gave me serious Dr. Who vibes
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>>14843327
Don't forget the misleading marketing, and that they decided partway through that the MUTOs should be kept a secret. I remember that they were mentioned in early publicity material but later they tried to make it seem like Godzilla's the only monster in it.

All this, and Godzilla's more heroic portrayal were too much to swallow for audiences who were expecting a different film. It was a shitty introduction to Godzilla for newcomers. At least, most non-fans I read comments from absolutely hated it and it just drove them farther away from the franchise.

That early leaked teaser with the Oppenheimer quote did some damage too. It got people way too hyped for a serious, somber disaster movie filled with death, even though it wasn't meant to be indicative of the film's final tone.
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>>14843385
I'm still unclear if the early footage leaked and then someone slapped the Oppenheimer over it because I think there were a couple versions floating around.
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>>14843370
That's why I put "Gets to safety".
It's implied through the scene that the dog "Got away" through the way the scene was shot.

I saw the movie 4 times, and each time I watch, the audience was scared to death for the poor doggie, clapped, cheered, gave a breath of relief when it got away.
The dog escaping makes the movie seem lighthearted and pushed away from the narrative that it was pushing for.

It's like watching the Tom and Jerry episode featuring the baby in a construction site. You know that the baby is never going to be harmed and that everything will "Work out" in the baby's favor.
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>>14843177
Fuck, I wouldn't mind seeing the zilla-spawn growing into different kaiju, then Big G waking up to fight them.
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>>14843374

Reviews like this kind of remind me of some of those clueless reviews of The Dark Knight that couldn't get past a superhero movie being as dark/"realistic" as it was, and wound up just missing the point of the movie entirely.

In both cases you have a bunch of professional reviewers who take this whole genre-ghetto effect for granted, have this fixed, rigid image of what certain kinds of movies should or should not do in order to be "good", and then when a movie comes along to break that mold, they just get confused and get irritated at the movie for not following the genre script they built up in their heads.
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>>14843395
This seems like a really weird thing to get angry about, anon.
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>>14843199
>I hope they don't make a sequel to Shin Godzilla without Anno.

I totally get what you mean, but that in practice means we'll never get a sequel
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>>14843406
indeed
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>>14843395
>It's implied through the scene that the dog "Got away" through the way the scene was shot.
It could be implied to get swamped off screen because there's no need to be super grim and depict the drowning of a puppy to rub in that disasters are bad. The street gets awfully wet seconds later.
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>>14843407
And that's perfectly alright (imo). I'm all for it being a standalone film. Like Kaneko's GMK, which also left the door open for a sequel/symbolic warning.
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>>14843177
>G-noids have the ability to sling spheres of atomic energy from their hands and their tail.
>They can also produce an atomic blast that involves splitting the top of their head wide open like a flower and fly using atomic energy beams.
>Their diet consist of anything organic and toxic waste (they only eat organic stuf to metabolise the toxic waste.
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>>14843432

>that pic

I'm imagining this exchange as being nearly identical to the scene in the Jim Carrey version in the Grinch where he absolutely fails to intimidate that one kid who makes in into his lair. And I hate myself for it.
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>>14843385
>>14843391
I'll post what I know and have been told (Believe or not).

>The teaser's Oppenheimer speech was legit, and the monster was just a placeholder.

>The Teaser was just a concept that was pitched to Legendary in order to get the film made, then was used as a "teaser" for Comic Con.

>Gareth wanted the movie itself to be darker in tone, but fun for a family to enjoy. The goal was to redeem America from the 98 film, while making something that was new and stood on it's own.

>Godzilla's heroic portrayal was inspired by the T-Rex from Jurassic Park.

>Gareth loved the way the T-Rex was the greatest enemy and greatest savoir, so he incorporated that within G14's actions, but to a lesser extent.

>Instead of Godzilla chasing after people and trying to kill what he sees, He would destroy and kill unintentionally through his size and when provoked.

>Gareth had a lot of panic attacks due to stress on set(Pressure and Director stress), so he put in funny scenes to lighten the mood for himself and the cast.
>Continuing from the last, Gareth leaving was not due to anything other than Stress. He's a huge Star Wars fan and wanted to work on a SW film before going back to smaller sized productions.

>Legendary/WB wanted Gareth and the team to put references in the film that would related to a later announcement if the film did well.
>Origami birds=Rodan/The Moth=Mothra/The Dragon "statue"=King Ghidorah


Any questions?
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>>14843447
>Any questions?

Why does it hurt when I pee?
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>>14843447
If Gareth did anything right, the MUTOs and Godzilla's characterizations were very enjoyable.
I especially like how you can tell Godzilla is an old man of sorts. From the constant grimace to his general look.
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>>14843452
Because, Shin Godzilla, you're urine is laced with Deuterium...which is horribly radioactive.
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>>14843452
UTI, STD, or a Kidney stone.
You may have also gotten soap in you while bathing.

Anymore?
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>>14843447
That all sounds fine by me?
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>>14843454
It actually slightly disappoints me that the next Legendary movies will have familiar monsters.
The MUTOs were great, and I liked how they looked and indeed personified. I would definitely want to see what new monsters they could come up with.
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Hey, does anyone know Gareth's opinion on Shin Gojira?
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>>14843463
I am excited to see what they do with Mothra. Will she still be a Goddess? An ancient moth-like creature that was just treated like a God? Will she and Godzilla have a past in this film series? There is a lot of interesting possibilities.
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>>14843376
>Why take the focus off the carnage and put it on the mechanics of government?

because thats the 2nd monster in the film
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>>14843481
Look at how happy he is
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>>14843481
>I CAN MAKE IT ON MY OWN
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>>14842979
Don't you mean "personal service", Anon
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>>14843481
>>14843495
Can you imagine his confusion throughout all this?
>Wow! So this is land!
>Kind of hard to travel through, though.
>Why are these small things screaming?
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>>14843454
>>14843463
Well most of the work was getting Godzilla "completely right" and "real".
Apparently that's kinda what they wanted in the design process. A Creature being millions of years old and waken up while trying to sleep.

During brainstorming someone mentioned that "How about we use a Godzilla monster to fight Godzilla?". Toho refused and wanted Godzilla to fight something original in the event that the film bombed, so that none of their property would look bad.

Toho are a pain in the ass to deal with and were very strict on a lot of the choices on the film.

They we're fine with the Godzilla design because it "Barely looked like Godzilla", much like how the Hanna-Barbera or the Marvel Godzilla looked. It was far away from the "real Godzilla" to be seen as a "knock off" if the film was bad.

Yes it's stupid, but these are the same people who bitched about the different player colors(Red,Blue,Green if all picked Godzilla 2000) for the Pipework/Atari fighting games.
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>>14843500
He's like the whale from Hitchhiker's guide eh?
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>>14843502
And didn't Japan end up loving Legendary's design?
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>>14843512
I love how happy this G14 looks...well he's either happy or alarmed.
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>>14843520
His greatgrandpa is holding him, of course he's happy.
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>>14843512
>"And didn't Japan end up loving Legendary's design?"

Japan as a whole, cant say.
Many who watched the film, no.
They laughed at the design and stated that it perfectly represented the "American Lifestyle".
"The Japanese" like to wrap Zilla and G14 into the same package, because they look similar(Zilla is a skinny G14, G14 is a fat Zilla).

Haruo Nakajima really liked the design though.

>>14843470
Haven't kept in touch much with that group, but apparently he loved it.
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>>14843540
>Calling Legendary fat
>When Hesei had Thunder Thighs for days.
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>>14843540
The fatzilla thing literally came from 2ch.
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>>14843540

G14's characterization really did feel like if Showa godzilla reached Clint Eastwood levels of done-with-this-shit, and I really liked that.
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>>14843521

Actually, come of think of it, I'm curious what Nakajima thought of Shin. Or Satsuma, for that matter
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>>14843554
>That look of disdain and maliciousness when he caught the male MUTO at the airport.
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>>14843554
That makes a lot of sense, considering 2014 is layed out very similarly to Terror of Mechagodzilla
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>>14843473

Cranston's character had to start dealing meth to pay for his spinal surgery

A moth got in the blue meth, and the rest is history.
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>>14843554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs
I am now imagining this with G14 as Indy and another monster as the Swordsman...probably Gigan.

>Gigan is poncing about like a muppet.
>G14 just Atomic Blasts him into oblivion and walks off.
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>>14843548
No it came from retarded yanks who claimed it came from 2chan and Japan.
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>>14843576

That's... somehow a perfect analogy
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>>14843563

>the male MUTO going OH SHI- once he noticed Godzilla looming over him
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>>14843562
They probably loved it as well.
They loved Legendary's Godzilla because it brought back the heroic one that was really loved back in the day. Now Shin Goji brought back the reason why Godzilla is famous, because he started out as a horrifying monster.
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>>14843579
No, the "Fatzilla" comments definitely came from 2ch, which were then blown out of proportion as being that all Japanese people think that, when it was really just a few faggots on 2ch having a laugh
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>>14843554
The joke I have about LegendaryZilla is pretty much yes he's old, grumpy, and real sick of monsters starting up shit.

He's not enthusiastic about things so he doesn't deliberately tear the neighborhood up like some youngun, but he has no patience for little shits doing stupid stuff in his neighborhood.
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Skull Tail for every Shin Godzilla thread
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>>14843610
>These fucking hippies banging on my lawn.
>At least this ant helped me out by killing the infants.
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>>14843616
It's Gran Torino.
But with giant monsters.
And Oldzilla not being dead at the end.
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>>14843615
The obvious human skull in some of the pictures freak me out.
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>>14843624

>Starts skreeonking at a massive chair-shaped modern art installation
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>>14843631
>Oldzilla quits fighting monsters and has a successful career directing critically well-received, yet horribly overrated movies
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>>14843642
>And Godzilla Jr is famous for how attractive he is.
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I need more cute Kamata Kun
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>>14843642
>>14843647

Perfect.
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>>14843657
I don’t know what you've already seen
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I just saw it. Why is America-chan so shit?
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>>14843738
>My Little Autist Can't be this Cute!
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That's all I got.
Plus this pic >>14843156
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>>14843760
Cute af.
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>>14843365

It won't get fresh because there won't be 40 reviews submited
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>>14843156
Gunbuster is his best work and also there is Nadia and Kare Kano, and his amazing animation work on various non-Gainax stuff. But yeah, Eva is his main focus, and his most popular anime by far
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PUT THE TORRENT IN THE BAG AND NO ONE GETS HURT
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>>14843374
>>14843376
>>14843474
>>14843402
I mean, it's true he's completely missing the point of the movie, but at the same time, he DOES have a point.

It does get rather dry and stale at times over the course of the movie and it really would have benefited from more scenes like the one towards the middle where Godzilla goes full Giant God Warrior on everything

Speaking of, I rewatched GGW earlier today and boy does the puppet not live up to what I remembered it looking like. Wish they would have done that in the same CG they used here
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>>14843181
>became a close student of Miyazaki.
Not really student. Just friends. He had no time to be a student due to other work.

He did a fuckton of effect animation before Nausicaa, including on SDF Macross, got noticed, did the big scene in Nausicaa, then went back to doing a fuckton more of effects animation here and there before Honneamise and settling down with his own studio.

>Beforehand he was working a deadend job and living at work.
That deadend job being a key animator and sleeping at work is disgustingly common.

Nausicaa was nowhere near a jumpstart. SDF was. By the time did Nausicaa he had the reputation to have the ability to choose what to work on.
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>>14843829

I honestly have to disagree. The human bits kept me entertained the entire time.
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>>14843162
My niggest of niggas
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>>14843829
The second half could have several scenes cut. Too many scenes with the American ambassador, for instance.

The first half up to ShinGoji stalling to replenish its energy was perfect, IMHO.
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>>14843500
I can imagine what his thoughts were.

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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I feel like Toho should move on to different kaiju after Shin Godzilla. There's only so much stories to tell with godzilla with the main character, and I really don't think anything can top Shin at this point.
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>>14843500
>>14843855
HUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YIYIYIYIYIYIyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyi HAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaa raaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

MAMA CORNFLAKES

maaaaaaaaaaaaaamAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

CORNFLAKeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama mama

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>14843869
Wait...why would he know anything about cornflakes?
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>>14843860
>move on from Godzilla

HERESY
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Saw it, enjoyed it. Godzilla being this walking apocalypse was pretty rad.

camrip/digital release when?
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>>14843897
>"And there was much skreeonking."
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>>14843835
It's certainly not as bad as a lot of reviewers are making it out to be, but there are points where it dragged
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>>14843908
And I am now picturing a production of Monty Python and the Holy Grail where all the knights are different Godzilla's

Destroyah is the Black Knight, the Green Knight it kills is Hedorah.

It's also the population of the Castle Anthrax and Hedorah makes a return as the three headed giant.

They later reconcile their differences and return combined as the Legendary Black Beast of SKREEEOOOOONK (and eat Zilla) before the Godzilla's deviate from the original plot somewhat and use their combined atomic breath to incinerate the shit out of them (because the entire CGI department suffering a fatal heart attack would kind of kill off the movie).

Hedorah and Destroyah have no luck in the movie.
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>>14843897
Help I'm dumb. I can't find '84
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>>14843917
I got the impression that it was supposed to drag at points as a critique of the bureaucratic inefficiency and lack of political resolve that impeded the government's initial response. The ending, however, was full of grumbling about how Japan aren't America's bitch boys anymore and the English dialogue scenes were too stilted.
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Kaiju roars!

There's something mournful in Anguirus's roars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXmALAE5Zmg
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>>14843860
>Shin Rodan when
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>>14843038
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>>14843980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C70GRyANrw

I really like Gigan's screeches.
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>>14843993
>Shin Gamera when

yes please
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>>14844002
hahaha oh wow
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Okay, guys, the big question:

Persecution of the Masses or Who Will Know?

I think the former is better.
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>>14843980
Anguirus is one of my favorites.
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>>14844017
I agree, Persecution seems to have a more ominous sound to it
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>>14844017

Persecution.

>That string counterpoint at the beginning
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>>14844017
Persecution, hands down.
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>>14844017
Who Will Know has been stuck in my head for the past week or so. Also I don't remember when Persecution was used in the movie.
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>>14844069
I think it was near the beginning, when the first form came ashore while the prime minister was giving a speech to reassure the public.
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>>14843980
Hedorah's "roar" is the most repulsive to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzRIlb-UxOs
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>>14843860
>Biollante as a metaphor of Monsanto's bullshit practices with GMO crops and all their other stuff; Gojira's equivalent could be an anti-crop GMO animal or whatever.

>Hedorah as living contamination/waste dump/smog/oil-sludge spill disaster done as a terror film; it's not like there aren't a ton of terrifying environmental disasters to take inspiration from
>I guess Gojira would be a pissed-off alien a la 2008 Klaatu/Gort

>King Ghidorah/Orochi featuring King Shisa, wrecking medieval Japan a la Daimajin; could have aliens or time-traveling shit for preventing it to be a simple Orochi/Shisa story remake.

>Mothra VS Battra done right, screwing over the fate of earth and humanity during millenia like immortal rival deities

I might be overtly optimistic, but I think this could really work (as long as Toho would stick to Shin-like quality instead of shitty films like Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, of course)
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>>14844078
It's like a skyscrapers sized blobby Zoidberg.
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>>14843190
Personally I interpreted it as "Godzilla was created when selfish men climbed over one another in mad attempts to reach heaven," not as a sequel hook.
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>>14843966
Right next to Legendary on the left
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Am I the only one who found it both unintentionally hilarious and weirdly fitting that the obstensible protagonist's first name was "Rando"?
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>>14844079
>>Hedorah as living contamination/waste dump/smog/oil-sludge spill disaster done as a terror film; it's not like there aren't a ton of terrifying environmental disasters to take inspiration from
This could work, maybe bung some elements of Destroyah in there, maybe have Destroyah as a representation of the dangers of antibiotic overuse in conjuncture with HeLa cells and improper disposal of biohazardous waste.

Basically Destroyah starts as Hela Cells implanted with different mitochondria to study how replication rates in cells are affected by mitochondria. Things spiral out of control when a small number of the cells contaminate a CRISPR research project studying ways or replicating Tardigrade physiology in humans (why a lab would be working on these two things in the same building I don't know).

What we end up with is a mass of rapidly replicating immortal cells that can enter suspended animation and later develop the ability to redifferentitate themselves into various tissue types.
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>>14843734
I wanted to see more of that crew, they were great.
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>>14843361
I've never heard of this before. Source?
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>>14843615
>hehehheehehe
>ohohohohoho
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>>14843361

Jesus, that's like... next level creeper shit.
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>>14844184

I really hope the sequel is just their drunk victory party

>Ogashima doesn't change at all when drunk
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>>14843168
>Wings of Honneaise
Fuck, I forgot this was a thing. Thanks anon!
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Does anybody have a link to Giant God Warrior with decent video quality that has subtitles on it?

preferably on a site rather then a download/torrent, but if the latter is all you have that works too
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>>14844137
Ok so that was '84. Looked really similar to the rest of the Heisei suits. Thanks
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>>14844290
I would love that.
>autism just sits in the corner not drinking
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>>14843174
And it never got old.
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>>14844419

>main guy gets so heated during a debate concerning the merits of market economies vs. central planning that he actually has a stroke
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>>14844461

>glasses friend who works with the PM is just going "Yeah, that's just, like, your opinion, man"
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>>14844419
>shitposts on 2chan about how she hates the party
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>>14844461
>>14844469
>yaguchi gets shitfaced and tries to fight akasaka
>tries to "threateningly" pull his shirt off
>cant get it off over his head since its buttoned up
>akasaka just walks away as yaguchi screams thinking hes suffocating
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>>14844494

>across the pacific, patterson tries to score coke from a dorm party

>it's a mormon college and they think she means literally Coke
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>>14844504
"Do you have cock?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6-B2TJN8UQ
yes i know its korean
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>>14844517

>sputtering mormons
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>>14844483

>makes memes about the dead PM
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The human characters were pretty awesome. All of them. I really enjoyed the dynamic between Yaguchi and Patterson. The dialogue and meetings never bored me. Even in the third act. Although I question some lines and how they were delivered. Honestly, I think I could watch a film starring these characters with or without Godzilla. I could only say this about like ten other Godzilla films.
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>>14844555
I think its because Anno made the meeting scenes really fast paced, unlike the ones in past films.
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>>14844556
Yeah, Anno's direction was great and unique for the series. However, it also reminded me of the characters of films like Gojira, Mothra vs Godzilla, and Ghidorah. Which are among my favorites. So I'm assuming the actors and actresses are just naturally charismatic, like Akira Takarada and his co-stars.
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>>14844555

>that final down low before the climax

True bro level: 30000
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>>14844290
leaked footage of akasaka partying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIhi8bi39NU
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>>14844284
That's fucking tame compared to standard casting couch situations.
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>>14844604

Akasaka confirmed for chillest man in parliament
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>>14843178
I think the statement is wrong more because there are multiple episodes of Eva in it. I thought more of Episode 6 and the Iruel episode, the one that was had influence from The Andromeda Strain where Eva combat wasn't the answer. But I definitely see Episode 1, with the explosion of spray sited off the coast and the surprised authorities shown-up by the more useful renegades. And then, from End of Eva, you had those faceless American officials standing in front of the tall windows being all "this bombing can't be helped", like the PM in Tokyo-2 in EoE.

I understand that people often make silly comparisons between Eva and other things. But if you think someone is pretentious because they're reminded of Eva by a movie directed by Anno, and scored by Sagisu reusing the same track from Eva, you've become too sensitive.
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>>14843361
I see nothing wrong with this.
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>>14844637
Eva is shit.
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>>14844652
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>>14844652
You're shit m8
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>>14844017
They're both really good, but persecution is the more flexible of the two.
It'd probably be the music piece used when ShinG unfreezes.
>>14843162
Truth
>>14843554
>Rodan: BLONDIEEEE
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>>14844555
>I could only say this about like ten other Godzilla films
I could only say it about this one.
But yeah, these guys have to come back at some point.
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>>14843254
Although I love this blank slate Shin has given us, I would've liked to see another branch from '54 that really explores the Oxygen Destroyer. We had vs. Destroyah, which was a good movie, although I would've preferred if Destroyah's design reflected the concept of an OD in some way. But what I'm talking about is, if Serizawa decided that he had to die to keep the world safe from an Oxygen Destroyer being used in war, well, what would OD-based warfare look like?

Godzilla probably isn't the place to fictionalize wars between actual nations, so I guess you'd want some sort of fictional rogue state, terrorist group, or rapidly-growing new order. (I've never seen the old Mothra movie, but I read that it has a fictional nation like a cross between the US and Russia.) But imagine navies firing Oxygen Destroyer torpedoes to disintegrate anything along Japan's coastlines, or the OD repurposed to "dissolve the oxygen" in the air above land. And then nations supplement their OD arsenal with kaiju, and Godzilla gets involved.

While I'm throwing out unrealistic ideas for kaiju films, Shin Godzilla had me thinking about using a kaiju rampage to explore the workings of governments other than red-taped bureaucracies of democratic "tributary states". Kim Jong Il liked movies enough to order a North Korean kaiju movie, right? Imagine a movie about the North Korean government's response to a kaiju landfall north of the 38th parallel. What modicum of concern they'd show for the poor citizens in its path, how the Supreme Leader would try to maintain power, what consequences it could have for China, South Korea, and Japan. I'm guessing that film couldn't be made in Japan, though.
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>>14844717

>40 years later
>Sequel to Shin G
>Yaguchi comes out of retirement
>"Looks like we'll have to finish what we stared... together"
>Yaguchi angrily hijacks a train off its tracks and starts driving it down the street, running over goji-people at mach speed
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>>14844002
Cute coon dressed as cutest Goji
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>>14844730
>multi road drifting
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>all dat military porn in movie
Not only because tanks, drones and helicopters CG was even better than WETA CG, but I don't actually remember a lot Hollywood movies with military action porn.
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Is Kamata-kun cuter than Godzilla JR? Speak now or forever hold your peace
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>>14844815
Kamata is cute and not UGUU
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>>14844815
Katama is cute like a baby bird is oddly cute.
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>>14843362
But...It's just a fucking dog...
>These are the people that rail against Godzilla 2014
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>>14844815
Kamata-kun = 95Jr > 94Jr > 93Jr
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>>14844827

I know, right.
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>>14844794
>tanks, drones and helicopters CG was even better than WETA CG
Shame about those boats, though.
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>>14844815
Kamata is the superior cuteness.
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>>14844815
The middle creature is an abomination. The first and third make sense.
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The movie seems to take a dim view of American and Japanese government and red tape. At the same time there are quite a few Americans portrayed in a heroic light.
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>>14843481
>>14843495
Thats honestly kinda of adorable.
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>>14844875
>At the same time there are quite a few Americans portrayed in a heroic light.
I can only think of the Patterson president-to-be, and the unseen military volunteers for the final battle. The interesting case was the American scientist who briefly joined the task force. On the one hand he's working alongside the heroes and seems to be having the same sort of hard-working "fun" they are. Then he walks out and gives that cringe-y robotic line about OUR NUCLEAR WISDOM.

I wonder why so many native-English-speaking actors and voice actors in Japanese movies give such strange performances. Are they just the bottom of the barrel in terms of line delivery? Or could that be the English equivalent of how Japanese line delivery sounds to native Japanese-speakers, and they just want it to be consistent...
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>>14844017
That's an incredibly hard call for me.
On one hand I really love Persecution of the Masses but its placement in the movie is a bit silly.
On the other Who will know sounds good and once you hear its place in the movie alongside understanding the lyrics it's just fantastic.
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>>14844884
Sometimes I like to pretend he's played by Tom Selleck
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>>14844884
FUCK YEAH CAPTAIN GORDON
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>>14844875
>US lost three B-2
How many drones Godzilla destroyed in last operation?
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>>14843283
Sheesh, people are being really harsh on 2014.

Personally I don't find anything offensive about ATJ other than being overused. He's like a supporting character that had MC screentime. The older cast (preferably with Cranston alive) should have been given the focus in the middle. The HALO jump is the perfect time to change the perspective to Ford's exploits in the city.

The thing about Shin is that it's half a comedy and I think that's partly why it's easier to find the characters likeable. 2014 is pretty serious, and in that context I quite like the admiral. He was adamant about the nuke but was not caricatured to death. That, I feel, is one of the things that 2014 did better. I don't find seriousness dull, just Ford having too little character for the amount of action he's in.

Love the kaiju. MUTOs are visually distinct (cloverfield my ass) and have character (like goji). Hating them is just bad taste to me. Also, the tone helps with their displays of character. It's nice to see they're not just plot devices in a serious film.

And for all the complaints about America wanking, there sure wasn't a modern nuke blowing up in Shin.
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>>14844907
I always assumed it was bottom of the barrel, because you have that language barrier to acting so lines don't particularly matter audience-wise unless you're well versed with that language.

Why hire someone who can act when your audience can't even understand him, ya know?
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>>14844017
>Persecution of the Masses
>to doooo to doooo to do
Can't resist. The motif is so awesome
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>>14844922
>MUTOs are visually distinct
Really?
Can't say the same; even when I first watched it they looked like a rehash of some other design, but one I couldn't put my finger on.
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Are there any Anno interviews for Shin Godzilla out there?
I can only find one, and it's very brief.
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>>14844956
My only guess is Megaguirus.
That's what I thought they were at first, I remember feeling puzzled as to why they were chosen for this reboot
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>>14844956
I was reminded of the Gyaos since they shared a similar shape.
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>>14844922
G2014 is a character driven drama with terrible characters, making it an inherently broken film. This is made more frustrating due to the teasing and deplorable second act.
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>>14844971
Megaguirus is the least interesting main Godzilla villain and I have no idea why his movie exists.
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>>14844982
I-I like the movie.
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>>14844884
TURN.
ONE-HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DEGREES.
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>>14844907

There's also Patterson's elderly relative/senpai/whatever who gives her encouragement before the climax
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>>14844987
But Orga exists
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>>14844987
I do too! I like that big jump Godzilla does.
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>>14844992
Ah right, I guess I forgot him because I wasn't sure if it was encouragement or discouragement.
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>>14844982
At least the idea behind him is cool right?
He's like a pre-historic black hole bug from an alternate universe, eh? Ehhhhh?
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>>14844980
The trailers like this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBjQKrt-uB4
And first 30sec teaser where they show train and dead people made me think Godzilla will be very serious and dark. Welp
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>>14844991

FIRE MISSILES

GO RIGHT INTO IT
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>>14845006

It came across as more of a tough love "I've got your back, but be prepared for some shit thrown your way"
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>>14845014
>And first 30sec teaser where they show train and dead people made me think Godzilla will be very serious and dark
That was just the concept pitch they used to get the film made. It was never supposed to be seen outside of Comic Con
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>>14845072
I always assumed it was a Mothra larva.
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>>14844956
cloverfield + new head
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>>14845014
>teaser where they show train and dead people
god damn that trailer
https://vimeo.com/146985673
still gives me chills
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>>14844956
They remind me a bit of that monster from Godzilla 2000.
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>>14845141
It looks like it belongs in anime
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>>14845141
Aside from the multiple limbs they're not all that similar
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>>14845144
Fuckin Hollywood. Trashed awesome concept
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>>14845156
Also, isn't Clovey's an juvenile/infant? The MUTOs were fully grown adults.
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>>14845072
Reminds me more of a tardigrade. I'd imagine it can handle radiation well.
>>14845122
Totally.
>>14845141
CM wishes it could be this snazzy
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>>14845216
gross
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>>14845144
Honestly, Shin Godzilla did a better job of replicating the tone of this teaser trailer.
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>>14845216
Why is Fem MUTO so pretty?
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>>14845227
that's the man isnt it?
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>>14845227
That's the Male,
The Female's a huge bitch.
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>>14845228
>>14845237
Excuse me
Why is Male MUTO so pretty?
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>>14845239
Big fat wings are cute
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>>14845239
cuz ur gay
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>>14845239
Because he had a pretty elegant design. Both of them did.
And they were also cute because they actually loved each other.
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>>14845227
>Fem MUTO
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>>14845249
Wait a sec. Did they have the same parents?
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>>14845272
They either happened to share the same corpse, or were siblings who banded together to take out a Godzilla and later use its corpse to hibernate.
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>>14845272
Don't judge them.
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>>14845272
THEIR LOVE IS PURE
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>>14845251
Sorry anon, let me fix that.
>>14845141
Why is Fem MUTO so sexy?
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>>14845220
Water bears are is cute. Cute!
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>>14842905
Why eat a burger when you can have steak and potatoes instead?
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>>14845400
She was a brat, but I liked her.
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>>14843901
>camrip
Isn't it out already?
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>>14842892
>Do any of you else plan on getting figures of the new design?
Only if $20 or under.
Just want something small really.
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>>14845406
She ended up being pretty likable.
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>>14842892
>any of you else plan on getting figures of the new design?
Looking at ShinGoji makes me nauseous.
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>>14843190
It's honestly kinda hard to predict with Toho. They've done quite a few things with the property. But now they have an obvious booming success with Anno's Shin Godzilla. What they have to do now is determine what the auidence liked about it. Did they like it because of the names attached? Is the the nostalgia? Did they like the satire and narrative questions? The shock value? The fact of the matter is, it's hard to tell from oversees.

Will they continue with the Shin continuity? It's certainly possible. Without Anno? Maybe. They could just wait until he's done with Eva Final, but that's a while. As for how the story would go, I think most of the ideas thrown around here are pretty viable. The anime should be interesting too.
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>>14845406
das light
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>>14842979
Yes I about kicked myself when I watched it today.
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>>14843190
>the scene that explicitly shows the tail cracking
Oh god I just finally understood that.
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>regeneration
>reactive adaptation
>asexual reproduction

Is Shin Godzilla the strongest version of Godzilla to date?
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>>14844139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KB8NudOP74
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>>14845653
His beam spam costs a lot of energy, and he's pretty slow. I'd say he and Legendary Goji are pretty equal for different reasons.
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>>14845653
I'd put my money on FinalGoji still being the strongest
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>>14845660
Final Goji shouldn't even be considered for power ranking stuff. He's a Platinum Games protagonist for Godzillas sake.
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>>14845419
I am definitely getting the Figuarts, and I don't even buy that many figures.

And I would be all over some vinyl SD Shins.
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>>14845660
This. FinalGoji was able to lift Kaiser Ghidorah and through him, destroyed a small planet with his Atomic Breath, all after slaughtering 9 other monsters before that AND swimming from Antarctica to Japan. Shin gets winded and has to take a nap after burning down a chunk of Tokyo.
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>>14844921
>B2 unit cost: $737m
>Reaper unit cost $16.9m

Godzilla: Hero of the US military industrial complex.
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>>14843190
I was wondering about Godzilla's classic fellow kaiju, but first it's hard to imagine them in the Shin-verse, and second the Legendary films are already going to have the big names covered.

Then I thought about MechaGodzilla, who would be pretty pointless to do in the Legendary films, but I'd expect the Shin guys to do something really interesting with it.

I also expect that Rando and Patterson will be PM and President in any future sequels.
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>>14845615
Meant to quote
>>14843493
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>>14844884
Hands down. Two scenes do it for me:

> First Scene
"The world is ruined, and the war is already lost. Now it's just a matter of pride. We either die hiding... or die fighting."

> Second Scene
"List, kid. There's two things you don't know about the Earth. One is me, and the other is... Godzilla."
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>>14845697
*listen
I'm a fucking idiot
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>>14844884
>>14845697
btw, Don Frye is currently in the hospital for pneumonia. Wish him well.
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>>14843790
Being Godzilla is suffering... Who will know something of him?
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>>14845708
Goddammit. I hope he's ok.
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>>14843306
But this ShinG and the crisis crew are so likable!
The evolutionary capabilities are a perfect opportunity too.
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>>14845710
>Who will know something of him?
Still not exactly sure what his aim was.
Was it the potential memories of Goro? If so, why the song?
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>>14845697
Him revealing his plan to defeat the alien invasion is one of my favorite parts of the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRxA0LQQDck
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>>14845733
Jim Pluff is of the opinion that the song isn't about Godzilla. Ask him and he'll probably go into detail now that the film has released in the US.
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>>14845744
>so let me get this straight, this plan is crazy and requires an endless number of unlikely circumstances to succeed, and we're gonna do it?
>yeah bitch
The crazy thing is that it did succeed, for the most part.
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>>14845766
Interested.
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>>14844017
Who will know's ending is just too good man.
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>>14844017
Who Will Know, but Persecution is close.
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>>14844017
>>14845808
I prefer Who Will Know instrumental version. It's so pretty.

But Persecution beats them all. I wish there were more tracks like it.
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That costume is awesome. It would be totally lost over in the US though. They'd think you are a Pokemon or some shit.
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Kamata-kun is super adorable. I need some company to make plushies asap.
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That's a lot of fish.
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>>14843206
>>14844090
I'm probably slowpoking here but yeah, I think it's just supposed to be a cheeky sign that Shin Godzilla's a prequel to Nausicaa

ie if Godzilla unfreezes then the tail dudes go and the world experiences Seven Days of Fire.
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>>14844016
And somewhere in the Institute for Space Politics, the Chair's cat experienced a momentary, inexplicable feeling of terror.
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>>14843481
Is this the cutest young Godzilla has ever looked? I don't think even Godzilla Jr. from Spacegodzilla can compare to how adorable he is in Shin.
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>>14844079
>medieval kaiju movie
This, please. I honestly don't care what country it takes place in, seeing how different cultures of that time would react to something like Godzilla would be really cool. Other than Pulgasari I don't think there's ever been a period piece monster movie.
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>>14844018
He's so loveable
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>>14845983
>anguirus guide
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>>14844922
>MUTOs are visually distinct

Not really. When I first saw them, they screamed "Generic Hollywood design". They're Clover, Super 8 alien with an insect head.

2014 is bad because as I've said numerous times, Godzilla has no presence in his own movie. You could cut Godzilla and the film would almost be 100% identical. Another problem is once you get to the fight, you only see it from the perspective of the humans and get to see the fight in literally like 10 second flash shots, so you don't even get a payoff.

The rest of the film is painfully by the numbers generic and boring. You can tell it was a film designed by committee with little to no soul put into it. I actually think they did a fine job of creating a "Hero/Showa" era Godzilla but they seriously and completely fucked up incredibly on his placement in the story and the film and fucked up to catastrophic levels the pacing. The cut from the airport scene was such a what the fuck decision I can't even fathom what the fuck they were thinking.
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>>14845974
Actually, Godzilla invaded Edo-period Japan in a manga anthology (The Godzilla Comic)

Yeah, non-modern setting kaiju films are a sadly underused genre, the obvious stand-out being Daimajin (One of the crown jewels of the Kaiju genre) and its recursive adaptations Pulgasari and Galgameth.

There's an enormous number of giant creatures in various mythologies and legends to take inspiration from, but most of the times they are featured in a film they're secondary to the plot (Just think about Harryhausen's monsters) or they're overused dragons once again.
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>>14843816
Why is the Grinch so angry?
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>>14843406
Not him, but I get what he's saying I think. People died in that scene but they had to go to such lengths to make the point that the dog survived. Its just a really dumb scene. It was unnecessary and jarring.
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>>14843447
>Origami birds=Rodan/The Moth=Mothra/The Dragon "statue"=King Ghidorah
Where were these in the film?
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>>14843540
>Haven't kept in touch much with that group, but apparently he loved it.
Are there any sources or interviews for that?
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>>14846413
The origami was in the classroom with the boy when the reactor first gets attacked, Mothra is in a tank and even labeled as such when they go back to their house and right before they get arrested, and the dragon statue is in the pit where main character blows up the baby Muto I believe the camera even zooms in on it when the gasoline is pouring in.
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>>14846398
But they don't. Just because you don't explicitly see the dog die doesn't mean it survives. Take Shin Gojira as an example, when he first leans against that building at the beginning, we see a family falling with the building, but I guess they survive because we don't see their remains once the building is down right?
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What have you done to fight misogyny in the Godzilla fandom today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EakCwYaJcyc
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>>14846463
What the fuck is this shit?
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>>14846463

Que fácil es molestar a las mariconas.
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>>14846463
Talking about sexualizing females.

Damn the women in 80s godzilla movies are smoking. 80s Japanese female beauty trends are GOAT.
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>>14846454
You're right. They were clearly falling to safety.
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>>14846454

They die, the scene was only there for you to take Kamata-kun seriously.
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Unless the heavens open up and God himself bitch slaps me to Hell, seeing Godzilla today.
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>>14846674
RECORD IT
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>>14846454
We know for fact that the family died, between Kamata-kun laying on the building, knocking over the building, and crushing the building while waddling through it.

The difference between the Dog scene and the Family scene was that the Family scene was emotional and sad.
>A family lived their lives in that apartment, likely struggled with bills and stress, had a kid, and we're desperately trying to escape with what belongings they could carry before being crushed to death.

Compared to the Dog scene.
>A dog tied to a palm tree during a Birthday(?) party, senses danger, escapes a tidal wave that is rushing through the shoreline of the city, wiping out everything in the streets(People, Cars, etc), and the last shot is the dog running faster than the Tidal wave.

The Dog scene is only there to place a false sense of danger and tug a specific heart string that people have for dogs.
Thousands of people being killed,
>"Who cares?"
One dog getting wiped out along with the thousand people,
>"TOO FAR, POOR DOGGIE!"

There is no reason for the scene to be in there, and honestly I was more worried about the father and little girl, but no we have to focus on the damn dog and show that it's escaping danger.
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>>14846684
I have never seen someone get so passionate about a certain scene in a Kaiju movie like this, especially one as mundane as a dog running away.
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>>14846700
When you take different classes on filmmaking, script writing, and psychology, Things "bother" you more in films.
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>>14846777
Sounds miserable
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>>14846784
It is anon, it is..
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Hey guys, I checked out the film! Sumarrizing what I said in my video review:

+ Music
+ Gorgeous cinematography
+ Godzilla's breath attack/abilities
+ Japan is not in a bubble as this effects the entire world and we get to see or hear about the involvement with other countries
+ Hilarios comedic moments

- Godzilla looks like he came outta a PS4 game
- Too many characters with no main protagonist
- Could have been 30-40 minutes shorter
- Some scenes could have been extended to let them develop while others be removed entirely
- The English for the girl was down right dreadful
- A Trump-ish president
- Too many subtitles on screen (MAD props 2 the guy at Funimation who had to sub this movie)
- Just too much talking and not enough monster action
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>>14846814
Unfortunately theres more negatives than positives, I give the movie an 6/10. You need to look at this as an Anno movie rather than a traditional Godzilla one. As such, expect nonsense dialogs, lots of close up shots of people, black screens with text, and politics. Maybe losers who like Evangelion will think it's a good film, but for the normal person it's really just a snooze-fest.
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Well, well, well. Shin Godzilla was… not what I was expecting.


The first thing that struck me- and I’m sure this isn’t an original observation- is that it was actually a remake of the original, plot-point for plot point. It’s the same basic story, retold within the framework of modern politics, circumstances, methods, and technologies.

This is a very political movie with a lot to criticize. The filmmaker doesn’t seem to have a very high opinion of the US (and based on the gung-ho military approach that shows sloppy disregard for civilians, the unilateral attitude, bullying, and generally-violent, heavy-handed approach, I can only assume that in the Shin universe, President Donald Trump has elected to go by the nickname ‘Ross’)… but he certainly reserves equal if not greater criticism for the labyrinthine workings of his own nation’s government.

The multimedia approach is immersive, though one might argue that the focus is a little TOO much on the government. At the start, and between the rampage and the finale, it is easy to forget that there’s an actual Godzilla in this movie.

Yaguchi is a likable enough character, someone genuinely trying to make a difference and frustrated with the inefficiency… but I can’t say that I have a lot of insight into his personality.

I’m not sure I like the googly-eyed fish origin; while it serves as an interesting fakeout at the start, and shows his origins and mutational ability more clearly, it also makes him more of a dumb animal than any incarnation ever has, and I don’t appreciate that. If a sequel shows him having developed some intelligence, it might go a way toward fixing this… but even ye olde Godzillasaurus had the appearance of intelligence and sentience.
I don’t particularly like the rough, ‘unfinished’ appearance of the creature or the stubby arms and huge thighs.
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>>14846814
After watching it, I honestly believe the film was made as a well meaning, but a "serious" parody of Godzilla films.
It was meant to be over the top, goofy, and cheesy, while trying to convey a serious message that Anno placed in the film.
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The actual climax felt a little cartoonier- with the train bombs and the unlikely flotilla of pump-trucks and tankers. It veered a little more into silly showa territory there. I felt like I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, but part of that was from discomfort. The rapid intercutting of bureaucracy was an interesting way to start, but I kept waiting for it to finish, like a cold open, and shift gears into a Godzilla film proper. The continued rapid-fire politics, combined with the hectic reading pace of the titles AND subtitles, were off-putting.And the way Godzilla seemed to almost drop out of the movie in favor of politics for the last third of the movie was off-putting as well.
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Reminder that the people claiming Godzilla is a colony of micro-organisms are retarded fucks from Toho Kingdom who don't know what a mixotroph is.
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>>14846832
hated this movie.

In my mind, this isn't really Godzilla. The idea of a monster that continuously evolving is cool, but it also makes Godzilla into something he's not. Godzilla with wings? Pssh, go away Anno, and take your Godzilla tail people with you.

Had Godzilla stopped evolving at the final form we see, I would have perfectly fine with it, but that's not the implication of what we hear in the film, nor from what we see at the end of the movie with the Godzilla people. I also HATE how stiff and lifeless Godzilla is. I also take issue with the movie itself for being overly dull during the second half. Does it have some cool moments? Sure, I liked the Tokyo destruction sequence, but after that this film drops into a free fall of non-stop talking for 40 minutes. It's boring.

I'm cool being in the minority on this one. The movie sucked and it's one of my most disliked of series.
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>>14846853
>That moment when you're one of the original leakers and quietly waiting for next production.
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>>14846678
EMPTY FUCKING THEATER. THANK GOD FOR MONDAYS.
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>too much talking

This complaint is the cancer of movie reviewing
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>>14846881
I enjoyed the politics of the film.
Felt like a mystery on what everything meant while trying to figure out how to stop Godzilla, and prevent or postpone a US nuclear strike on Japan.

There was actually a lot going on, people were just too dumb to realize.
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>>14846890

Shin's a weird one in that the plot's basic strokes are pretty simple and easy to follow, but the details are almost overwhelmingly dense.
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>>14846868
I'll suck your dick, I'm not even kidding.
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>>14846896
Almost like the crowded nature of Japan.

I'm a sucker for details and the amount of details in the film was almost as long as the plot's main story.

The universe is very real, just that the nature of how we choose to deal with a problem varies between countries, or how the arrogance of those in charge could lead to the downfall of a country.

Godzilla was the victim of the film, while people can say that if goal was that of the Dr.'s, the only time he acted was when provoked.
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>>14846828
>I’m not sure I like the googly-eyed fish origin; while it serves as an interesting fakeout at the start, and shows his origins and mutational ability more clearly, it also makes him more of a dumb animal than any incarnation ever has, and I don’t appreciate that. If a sequel shows him having developed some intelligence, it might go a way toward fixing this… but even ye olde Godzillasaurus had the appearance of intelligence and sentience.
He's not actually a googly-eyed fish though. His design simply is based on eels and frilled sharks. He's still very intelligent. The reason he looks so "lost" in his second form is because he's learning to adapt to land and his legs. He then has to learn to walk once he transforms into his third, more upright form. And then in his fourth form he's adapted to walking and everything.

I don't know where you're getting the "dumb animal" vibe from.

>>14846855
>but it also makes Godzilla into something he's not.

Godzilla has been made into something he's not since the original film dude.
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>>14846828
> Remake
Reimagining would probably be a more accurate description. We don't have the romance angle and it comes from a bureaucratic perspective, which gives off an entirely different feel. The human component is original and Godzilla's attack is heavily inspired by the original film.

> The filmmaker doesn’t seem to have a very high opinion of the US
Japan wanting desiring greater sovereignty and not having to seek US approval on everything is a bad thing?
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>It won't get fresh because there will not be 40 reviews.

Sucks to be honest.
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Still no camrip. Can I interpret this as a good sign? I do.
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Weird movie. I actually enjoyed the human parts more than the scenes with Godzilla.
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>>14847171
IMO, this is the difference between Godzilla (2014) and Shin Godzilla. The former is a bad film with a few neat Godzilla scenes and cinematography. The latter is a genuinely good film that uses a similar amount of Godzilla much more effectively.
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So I got the PS4 Godzilla game for a couple bucks, but does anyone know how to remove the HUD so I can really make it like from the movies?
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>>14846534
Wait, who's that?
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If someone is from Spain, we will have a limited release in January 20th, subbed
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>>14846814
I can safely avoid your video review
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>>14847171
I gave more of a damn with G14s human element then I did with Shin, quite frankly.
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>>14847300
Source? I know A Contracorriente Films will distribute 5 films from Sitges (Including Shin, of course) on a limited cinema release in January-February, but I haven't found any exact dates yet.
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>>14847365

It is listed as such on filmaffinity and also confirmed in both Sitges and San Sebastián.
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>>14846814
>>14846818
>Godzilla looks like he came outta a PS4 game
>Could have been 30-40 minutes shorter
>The English for the girl was down right dreadful
>A Trump-ish president
>Too many subtitles on screen (MAD props 2 the guy at Funimation who had to sub this movie)

I think you're letting a lot of minutia kill the film for you. Those things don't really impact the overall story. If you felt like you couldn't connect to the characters or the story, I get that but maybe you should just focus on what the filmmakers were trying to convey rather than nitpick small things.
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>>14846814
Dreadful review. A Trumpish president? Really? Ishihara was dreadful? A little weak in the beginning, sure. But dreadful? Too many subtitles is a knock against the quality of the film itself? The CGI was actually fairly decent save a few moments. Why do we need a traditional protagonist? Did that bother you in Pulp Fiction or 12 Angry Men? But if you absolutely need one, Yaguchi is basically that. He's the leader of the outcasts and gets the most screen time.
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>>14847391
Please watch my video review for the fine details, I elaborate further and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>14847556
>Please watch my video review for the fine details,
Not him, but why would I after your summary? I can't imagine I'll get much out of a review that gives Shin Godzilla a 6/10 if those are the only negative points you can bring to the table.
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>>14847341
Agreed. I enjoyed the Shin Goji characters to an extent, but there were just. so. many. of. them. G14 gave us the time to get to know its characters, while Shin Goji just threw them at us with a million labels on the screen.

I enjoyed both films for different reasons, but for feck's sake, can I please get a Godzilla movie where Godzilla is the main character??? I'm seeing people say stuff like "WEEEEELL Shin Godzilla made better use of its (unmentionably short) Godzilla screentime than G14 did!" That's debatable, but I have to admit, I feel a tiny bit cheated when 1/3 of Godzilla's screentime is spent SLEEPING.
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>>14846794
Good thing I'm not autistic
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>>14847605
>Agreed. I enjoyed the Shin Goji characters to an extent, but there were just. so. many. of. them. G14 gave us the time to get to know its characters, while Shin Goji just threw them at us with a million labels on the screen

It throws a lot of names at the viewer but there's a pretty clear central cast you can focus on. Yaguchi was essentially the de facto main character, and the movie got across pretty well his frustration and determination in dealing with the crisis. Hell, I felt closer to most the cast just from the very personal, up close way scenes were shot. You're right there in the thick with them.

I'll agree with your point about Goji's screentime.
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Shin gojira just became my favorite godzilla movie (although it shares #1 spot with the original). It works on so many levels. I really enjoyed all the political satire/commentary on Japanese politics. The movie was really good and godzilla himself was a nice addition to the movie. I love that godzilla is treated as a methapor in this one, instead of being just a monster. The fact that Anno made it, makes it even better (I have watched Eva 6 times and really love it).
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>>14847605
>can I please get a Godzilla movie where Godzilla is the main character???


That really only works in late-showa style stuff where you can get away with an overtly-anthropomorphized godzilla capable of carrying a movie. That's a really risky move for a movie like '14 and wouldn't work at all for a movie like shin. Otherwise it breaks tone completely. You're basically asking both movies to be something they're not.
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>>14847556
Yeah, no. Your opinion is shit to be honest. It's fine to not like the movie but your reasons for not liking it are stupid and shit like
>Maybe losers who like Evangelion will think it's a good film, but for the normal person it's really just a snooze-fest
is pretentious as fuck.
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Any Mexibros know when, or if, the movie is getting released over here?

I've read some articles, but I'm not sure since there are no release dates or anything else really
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>>14846881
>>14846890
>>14846896
I also love how the people who complain about the "boring plot" are also complaining about how Godzilla was too different. It's almost as if some people just wanted to see 2014 all over again. I don't have anything against 2014 (it wasn't a great film, but it wasn't terrible at all), but there was actual heart put into the story in Shin. It seems simple at first, but there's some very solid and well thought out subtext that some people unfortunately missed.
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>>14846814
>- Too many subtitles on screen (MAD props 2 the guy at Funimation who had to sub this movie)
????
>- Just too much talking and not enough monster action
Ahh so you couldn't read fast enough, so you just sat there and waited for Godzilla to show up.
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>>14847907
>>14847709
You clearly haven't watched the video. I elobarate on my points there.
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>>14847289
MechaG baby chick I think
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>>14847914
>Give shitty reasons for not liking a movie
>expect people to watch your shitty video where they somehow become reasonable.

If you had actual substance to your criticisms you would be able to quickly elaborate here to explain how such shallow objections were legitimate problems with the film
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Watched it today. Too bad I was alone and picked a seat where three people who knew each other decided to pick.They were noisy as well. A lot of the parts in the first act went through my head and nearly ruined to movie for me. Luckily, the cinema was near empty and I had room to change seats.
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