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FSS Thread: Best Grunt Edition

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We haven't had one in a while, so why not?

1. Favorite MH?
2. Favorite faction?
3. Favorite character(s)?
4. Favorite Fatima?
5. Favorite story?
6. Favorite Gothicmade?

Mine:
1. Pic Related
2. Fillmore
3. Kaien and Braford
4. Atropos
5. Huge-ass tank and infantry battle between AKD and Seeble
6. Most of them are awful, but the new L-Gaim Mk-II is okay
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>>14840347
There will be people ITT whose favourite Fatima isn't Palsuet.
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>>14840383
All I remember about her is that she got raped a lot and then ended up with the cuckboy.
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>>14840388
Her first appearance was her going "Holy shit, this is dumb. I'm taking this MH and going home."
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>>14840347
I'll argue that the white-violet Berlins both look better and are also grunts as nothing sets them apart from the regular greens technically. Also, Devoncha just looks mean and is about as close as it gets to a true grunt machine in the series, yet can still hang with masterpiece MHs with a good pilot on board.

>1. Favorite MH?
Schpeltor
>2. Favorite faction?
Fillmore
>3. Favorite character(s)?
Decors Weissmel, Douglas Kaien, Oricon Harris
>4. Favorite Fatima?
Waifuism is bad
>5. Favorite story?
Muse van Reyback in Kastenpo
>6. Favorite Gothicmade?
They all suck
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>>14840347
1. I dunno, too many to choose. Bangdoll, maybe?
2. Fillmore/AKD
3. Lie Ex, Kaien, Aisha, Sopp, Brafford, Iemarah Lout Jajas is pretty funny.
4. Palsuet, Hugtrang, and Bacstual
5. I like all those short chapters where we jump far into the future. Emperor Rescue arc is also really good along with Bangdoll chapters. Majestic Stand looks good too.
6. I like most of them except the new LED Mirage. The ones shown in the newest chapter look really cool. Ashura Temple and the new SR look nice.
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>>14840566
Also the Blood Temple is a cool grunt
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>>14840517
She and her Headdliner jobbed to Ashura Temple didn't they?

>>14840531
>I'll argue that the white-violet Berlins both look better and are also grunts as nothing sets them apart from the regular greens technically. Also, Devoncha just looks mean and is about as close as it gets to a true grunt machine in the series, yet can still hang with masterpiece MHs with a good pilot on board.

I think both white and greens look as good as one another, much better than SR-2 anyway. Devoncha lacks the elegance of the Berlin so I don't like it as much. I like its brother Barunja a bit more even. My top MH are the less crazy but still graceful ones.
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Objectively a good grunt designs
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Here are some rare naganos
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>>14842407
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>>14842408
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>>14842415
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>>14842420
You can see that at least some of the terminology changes had already been thought up at this point in time.
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>>14840798
Yes, they were actually in that Devoncha above which is technically a variant called the Pluto. The regular Devoncha was closer to this movie design, if less bulky and detailed.

Agreed the original Berlins are better than the SR2, but I do like grunts to appear less refined and more rough and rugged. Feels more down to earth for them. Also part of why I say Devoncha is more of a gruntlord is that it's a model sold to anyone that has a bunch of variants and whatnot, it's about a low as a Mortar Headd gets, while the Berlins are specifically the machines of one of the major powers in the setting, share parts with Vatshu and are piloted by a standout knighthood.
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>>14842430
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>1. Favorite MH?
Boowray or Schpeltor.
2. Favorite faction?
Wasn't there a rebel faction against the AKD? Those guys, been a while since I read FSS.
3. Favorite character(s)?
Douglas Kaien and Viewlard.
4. Favorite Fatima?
Clotho.
5. Favorite story?
Anything with the Black Knight, and Junchoons first sortie.
6. Favorite Gothicmade?
Ashura Temple.
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>>14840347
Bang Doll, Hathuha, Jabo and Meeth, Maegella, Colus Hagooda war, GTM Mk-2
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>>14844558
Oh and Dr. Ballanche too.
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>>14840347
>1. Favorite MH?
Gonna go the less popular route here and say Vai-O-La. It looks regal but pretty much ideal for a sand mercenary. The head and cross eyes are perfect. Helps that it can actually kick ass too.
>2. Favorite faction?
Seable and Pied Pipers. Surprisingly competent in all departments and may have actually beat the AKD had it not been for Jagd Mirage.
>3. Favorite character(s)?
Jhon Weinziel. Anakin Skywalker done right, funny enough he looks like the "MC of FSS" in one of the original AKD posters where he stands at the forefront.
>4. Favorite Fatima?
Atropos. Not sure if she can even be considered a Fatima since she behaves like a normal person for most of the story, but she is probably the most complex character in FSS.
>5. Favorite story?
Est and Jhon, as mentioned before. A perfect story that encapsulates the tragedy of Fatimas and Headdliners.
>6. Favorite Gothicmade?
I have some hopes for the new KOG, but almost all the GTMs I'm interested we only see small portions of and not full body.
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Has there ever been a MH or any FSS design that was not designed by Nagano? The guy is pretty inspirational when it comes to a DIY work ethic.
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While we're on the topic of Fatimas, can someone explain to me how their mind control works? They clearly aren't mindless zombies, have and display a lot of emotions, and don't always follow their Master's orders. They behave more like maids than androids DESU. Am I missing something here?
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>>14845374
Plenty of fan designs and drawings, sure.
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>>14845374
If I didn't know any better I would have thought Nagano commissioned Katoki to design the Last Junchoon.
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>>14845393
Most of them are legally required to have restrictions on them. iirc, Ballanche mostly ignored this except for the addition of having them not being able to harm Sopp or speak some things (like in the Auge vs Apache chapter)

Most of the ones with see aren't like mass produced fatima but masterpieces. Except Palsuet.


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>>14845397
Fan drawings of Nagano robots never look right to me. Especially people trying to draw GTMs.
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>>14845356
For you
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>>14844183
I agree, the Devoncha is the mpst grunt-like grunt of FSS. Easy to pilot (for an MH), easy to customize, easy to get your hands on, and has the potential to floor any other MH depending on the pilots. It destroyed some cream of the crop Sirens and almost did the same to Ashura Temple had it not been for the sneak attack claws. It's like the Honda Civic of MH's. I just don't really think it looks as good as some of the more prestigious country-affiliated grunts like Berlin or Siren, or even a Maglow, which I suppose is the point of the design. But at the very least we know it's no Leo.
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>>14845393
Fatimas behave like normal people but are eternally loyal to their masters and have no doubts as to their own identity and place in Joker society. Their only will is to serve their master. Whenever they're presented with something that conflicts with their interests and devotion to their masters (like Kyo and Est) they start malfunctioning. They were designed to be the perfect waifus for maximum synchronization with their Headdliners in combat.
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>>14846019
Grunts in FSS are amazingly competent. Like the Apache. Ironically enough the most sophisticated and powerful MH are the ones that are the least reliable and functional and hardest to pilot, like the entire Mirage series and some of the Sirens. I can't really think of any robot anime or manga where mecha power levels and their caveats are treated somewhat realistically like that. A/Z sort of tried but failed miserably.
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>>14846045
Vatshu would have won the fight in chapter 1 if not for the laser cutter on the LED Mirage's head too.
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>>14845356
>may have actually beat the AKD
Hardly. The Pipers are ballin but they were beating the Temple Knights, the mook guys that are destined to become cyborg pissants so the resistance, of course assisted by the real AKD guys, can wreck them.

Aisha in the Terror Mirage literally warded off Konig in the Vaiola while busy looking for Amaterasu and when she finally focused on fighting in this first sortie machine she oneshot him, but without totalling the enemy mech.

Fucking AKD, everyone else is so much more interesting.
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gothicmades are gay, bulky shitwrecking machine that actually looks badass coming through
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>>14847729
One day you peasants will see the light and accept that GTMs are some of the best mecha designs of the decade
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>>14848262
One day you'll realize your shit taste and be angry at what was lost. Everyone goes through this phase, don't worry about it.
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>>14840347
I pretty much just started reading it and can't stop getting confused with what happened at chapter 1.
ladios sopp and amaterasu. what's with them?
why did sopp, that despite being a MH meister, was able to pilot the KoG with extreme efficience(or was it?) and why did he get invited into amaterasu's flying fortress
and what about lachesis getting engaged to him?

also, where are the good scans for FSS? I'm reading with shit quality and it just hurts my eyes.
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>>14848433
Sopp is Amaterasu. Sopp is his alias he uses when going out into public to not rouse attention. I think the engagement was more for Lachesis after she said that she wanted to marry him and not really official.
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>>14845374
>The guy is pretty inspirational when it comes to a DIY work ethic.

What DIY work ethic are you referring to?
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>>14848443
ok, I was suspecting something like that, but just seemed odd.

it makes a lot more sense now.

and it's doable for him to be headdliner, meister, politician and all the other stuff, considering he lived almost half of joker century.

thanks
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>>14848373
Nah, I've learned to move on. Apparently you haven't and are stuck in the past by about 20 years.

Some MHs I didn't like are now favorites in their GTM versions. Like the Ghast Temple
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>>14848499
I'll admit the GTMs look nice.
but they're just too samey. the frames and body types of MHs varied a lot. now all the variance I see on GTMs are the spikes and stuff everywhere. their bodies don't change, they even look mass produced!
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>>14848433
Bakabt
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>>14848499
>Something was good and it was changed into something bad
>I'm okay with this and now I've favorite parts of the bad thing!

How does it feel to like the Ghostbusters remake?
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>>14848262
I would be much less upset if it weren't for the fact that all the MH we only see brief glimpses of in the manga will never be seen in action again or have full lineart to appreciate.
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>>14848610
They're not bad though?
I've gotten a new set of uniquely designed mecha to look forward to every month or so. You can pretty much just ignore them if you want and stick to the first 12 volumes considering the chapters we have of the far future along with the original ending being chapter 1.
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>>14848711
Those along with the mighty series felt pretty no effort, imo. I do appreciate the versatility of weapons the majestic stand added to the world instead of just swords and beam sabers though.
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>>14848876
>mighty series felt pretty no effort
>while praising the Gothicturds

What's the matter, not enough broken knees and elbows for you?
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>>14848880
It's funny too since the Mighty Series was like Nagano's prototypes for the GTMs. Same type of layered angular and spiky details with translucent clear armor and skinny proportions, except without the horrible joints and hamhands. Not to mention how clean the silhouettes are in comparison.
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>>14848891
>prototype

Nah, that would be The Empress.

>>14848880
Yeah, the mighty series is ugly. Here's a good series.
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>>14848986
>Nah, that would be The Empress.

It's missing the Brain Powerd-influenced layering of the armor and frame that is prevalent in both the GTMs and Mighty Series, as well as the translucent and angular shell design of the armor. Even MM Auge is closer to a GTM than the Empress. The Mighty Series are newer designs than the Empress as well. You're only saying that because the first GTM we ever saw was the retcon version of Empress.

>Yeah, the mighty series is ugly.

Doesn't mean shit coming from the world's only GTM fanboy who can't even see the similarities between the Mighties and GTMs and thinks one is somehow totally different from the other.
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>>14846728
To be fair, Aisha is like FEMC #2 and could probably beat most other Headdliners short of Decors or Kaien in a straight-up fight.
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>>14849041
Uh, look at the leg joins and sword. The Gatt Blows are based on The Empresses' sword.

>Only fan

Apparently not
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>>14849620
>Uh, look at the leg joins and sword. The Gatt Blows are based on The Empresses' sword.

Empress doesn't have rail joints, and its sword is not a Gunblade. Only GTM whose sword looks like it is its retcon version, as said before.

>that chart

Yeah, because we all know Newtype polls have no rigging behind them. Bring some other GTM apologists here on /m/ if you can.
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>>14849620
the top three choices for self insertion are
>the author self insert sue
>power fantasy best swordsman ever smooth operator
>waifu fuckdoll

Followed by another power fantasy immortal best fighter ever and super duper bishonen genius that makes the best fuckdolls. Perpetual jap shit taste on display.
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>>14848754
>something that was good will never actually get finished
>it is replaced by overdesigned skeletal samey garbage
>but it's okay you already know how the story ends

People like you who just accept anything that's churned out are the reason why creatively bankrupt shitty remakes that completely butcher the original works are so everpresent.
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>>14850021
Uh, dude. Five Star Stories will literally NEVER be finished. You do however, have chapters like the first and the fall of the AKD. Stay asshurt, lad.

>>14849928
>Gunblades aren't swords
Haha, Ok. Maybe try look at the arrow shaped tips for a hint. Even the small shield is like the ones GTMs have.

>Yeah, because we all know Newtype polls have no rigging behind them. Bring some other GTM apologists here on /m/ if you can.

Oy vey, it's rigged I tell you!
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>>14850005
>best swordsman ever
That's wrong. For an apparent "best" he sure got his ass kicked in Volume 11.
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>>14850036
>Haha, Ok. Maybe try look at the arrow shaped tips for a hint. Even the small shield is like the ones GTMs have.

That's some serious reaching here. The MH Empress's sword has no trigger. It was never used like a GTM Gunblade. It's just a sword with a pointy arrow tip. And there is no other GTM sword shaped like it other than its retcon counterpart's.

>small shield is like the ones GTMs have

What? Since when did GTMs outside of Mk-II have floating shields?
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>>14850036
>Oy vey, it's rigged I tell you!

But it is? Do you know nothing about how Newtype polls work? All of it is meant to advertise flavor-of-the-week shit. GTMs "win" by default because they're newer.
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>>14850041
Here's the thing though, Nagano has a habit of going "such and such is the best guy ever!" and then they're just not unless it's Amaterasu. I actually made fun of this when I said Rognar was another best fighter ever.

Kaien is recognized by everyone as this best swordguy that's turbohype, but then you have all these people that are better. The best MH is totally the KoG, except when it's the Junchoon or the LEDs or the Jagd or the Mighty series. See what I mean? And coincidentially, see how all those are connected to Amaterasu?
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>>14850053
>It has no trigger so they're nothing alike

>What? Since when did GTMs outside of Mk-II have floating shields?

Are you denying that it's a small shield?

Either way, The Empress has a hell of a lot more in common than the fucking Mighty Series
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>>14850064
Yeah I'm sure they just let the Jagd Mirage up there for shits and giggles, retard.
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>>14850075
>Are you denying that it's a small shield?

Once again, you're reaching really hard here, dude. Small shields are unique to Gothicmades and the Empress? What the fuck? Countless MH have had this type of configuration. Have this, the very first draft of the Neptune made in the 80s with the same type of small arm-mounted shield. I could probably pull some out from L-Gaim if I felt like it too.

>Either way, The Empress has a hell of a lot more in common than the fucking Mighty Series

Not that you have been able to prove.

>>14850080
Just like Kira and Lacus, who show up at the top of pretty much every NT poll, yeah.
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Third party here, reminder the Phantoms had tiny, tiny shields as well
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>>14850105
>I could probably pull some out from L-Gaim if I felt like it too.

You know what, I'll do it for shits 'n giggles too. Your arguments are just laughable apologist wankery.
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>>14850075
>>It has no trigger so they're nothing alike

They don't? The Empress's sword is the only that looks like that of its GTM version, and only because of the tip. The hilt is a totally different design, with the banana trigger handle. None of the other GTM swords look anything like the MH Empress's in any way.
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>>14850105
>Just like Kira and Lacus, who show up at the top of pretty much every NT poll, yeah.

Because they ARE popular.

>Small shields are unique to Gothicmades and the Empress? What the fuck?

Never said that. Simply pointed out similarities.

>Not that you have been able to prove.

I've already given you some.

>The Empress's sword is the only that looks like that of its GTM version, and only because of the tip

I guess they are nothing alike if you remove the similarities. Good job.

>>14850123
muh gtm apologism
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>>14850152
>entire counterargument is nothing but strawmen and goalpost moving and "NUH-UH" instead of actually providing valid examples

Folks, I'm done here. I'm genuinely upset that there is someone who likes FSS that is somehow this much of a massive retard. Well, maybe not since the only way anyone could fellate the GTMs so hard is if they are a retard.
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>>14850165
Let's post more MH and see him whine about how bad they are compared to his favorite scarecrow robots.
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A classic
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One of the most underrated designs
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>this doesn't look like a GTM
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>>14850192
I lean towards bulky robots, which is part of the reason I don't like GTMs, but I honestly think the original design of the Feedorah without the extra armor bolted on looks better.
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>>14850391
Even if we don't really get a clear look at it.
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>>14850391
>>14850393
Though this model I found putzing around, which I think is entirely fan-made, captures its frame fairly well I feel.
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It feels like I'm beating a dead horse but I like the Gothicmades as their own designs and not replacements for Mortar Headds. That being said, I do enjoy looking at the GTMs and Nagano's overall evolution as an artist and designer because it's interesting. And when it comes down to it, Nagano's artistic evolution is what FSS is really all about. Still, I agree with most of the others that MH are all better designs than GTMs as a whole.
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>>14850064
kirito
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So lads, what can go so wrong in a man's brain that he discards 25 years of a personal magnum opus that was also well-liked and respected and decides to replace it all with a bastardized version? What the fuck can make a man decide to just butcher over two decades of work that had clear personal investment behind them?
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>>14853491

Maybe he understood that God is a verb and Goddess is a crazy woman.
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>>14853491
You should ask Lucas, Anno, and Kawamori.
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>>14853509
>Lucas
He always wanted to do the terrible crap the prequels ended up being, he just had people with sense telling him when he was being retarded in the original movies. Also he digitally added crap, it's bad but it's not "replace the movie completely" bad.

>Anno
Eva wasn't that good and got not one but two endings, the new set of movies doesn't suddenly take over in the middle.

>Kawamori
Just because his new shows are shit doesn't mean they're replacing his good old works. Also Aquarion Evol was genius, 100% tailor made to piss off the average fan of his works.
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>>14853563
My point is, what happened to FSS is a common trend among various artists. Not so much the retcon, but the whole "new version of an old thing is much worse than the old thing". At the very least Nagano hasn't reached Shirow or Frank Miller levels yet.
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Trun Union, Voards Viewlard and the Kormals Biblos are the best. A democratic federal republic made up of a coalition of small nations, a free-thinking noble that hates stuffy cunt nobility and serves the people as a policeman and an old tough warhorse that can very much still go.
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>>14845374
>Has there ever been a MH or any FSS design that was not designed by Nagano?

Yes. You been living under a rock?
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>>14850209
It doesn't

>>14850165
I gave you examples. Do you even know what a strawman is? Meanwhile, robots are the 2nd most popular reason people still read FSS. Knowing you, you'll claim it as a conspiracy because you are a retarded baby who can't accept reality.

>>14850168
I like the MHs better but feel free to say whatever to justify your autism.
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>>14856955
>It doesn't

See, if that's the best you can do in an argument, we're not going to get anywhere. Explain, in detail, how it doesn't look like a GTM.

>I gave you examples. Do you even know what a strawman is?

Your "example" as to how the Empress is a GTM predecessor is all stupid irrelevant bullshit that I've disproven with clear examples throughout this whole thread. I'm not going to bother repeating myself again since I've been saying the same thing in this thread multiple times already. Meanwhile, you have yet to say anything that disproves how the Mighty Series is substantially different than the GTMs, other than the endless stream of "NUH-UH". You don't even understand what the GTMs are based on and you act like they're substantially better than some of the very designs you hate when they're almost the same?

>Meanwhile, robots are the 2nd most popular reason people still read FSS.

...according to who? Even if that were true, the mecha are part of the setting. The setting was what defined FSS. And even if it is 2nd, it's still a substantial and important part of the whole series. This sounds like the blind fanboy excuse for George Lucas editing the fuck out of the prequels for the 90s re-release.

>Knowing you, you'll claim it as a conspiracy because you are a retarded baby who can't accept reality.

Your delusions aren't reality, buddy, this is:

https://www.amazon.co.jp/product-reviews/4041022428/

>I like the MHs better but feel free to say whatever to justify your autism.

You going to backpedal now and tell me you like the Mighties and Boowrays and Blue Armors more than their GTM versions?
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>>14857062
>prequels

original trilogy I mean
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What do you know, there's quite a few old as shit FSS doujins out there:

https://otakurepublic.com/product/tag_page.html?tags=2658

>yfw there isn't a single one with Sopp taking it up the ass

This Christine rape one looks like the best of the bunch.
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How many Zakus would it take to beat a Mortar Headd?
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>>14855794
I almost forgot about Viewlard's MH, what a beautiful monster.

>>14858286
A single tank in FSS is pretty much a souped-up Dom, and MH flatten them like pancakes like 90% of the time. So those Zakus better figure out how to surrender as quickly as possible.
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>>14858590
It really is amazing to me how the MH that see the most action in the manga are the giant, super heavy armor ones that often look like they've been through all sorts of hell, whereas the ones we see as kits tend to have less screen time (often standing still) or don't even show up at all, and often built by modellers to look like glossy fresh-from-the-factory race car robots.
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>>14860156
Furthermore, the best fights in the manga are the ones involving the heavy MH. The Ashura vs Devoncha fight is amazing to look at and probably one of the most well-drawn MH battles in the whole manga- you can feel the weight of each swing and movement.
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