Muv Luv General: ORUTA MADA~~?! Edition

>>14810925
>edition
>wojak OP
>/v/ greentext
we /vg/ already?

>>14810925
>ORUTA MADA

You're at least one decade too late to still be using that.

It should be KimiMuv mada?

OH YES SSR MANA. First SSR, rate up is not a lie.

File: Kasumi - 28.png (344KB, 750x465px) Image search: [Google]

344KB, 750x465px

>>14810478
DO sexualize the Kasumi.

File: wrong mana.jpg (108KB, 808x457px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 808x457px

>spend months farming to obtain 50 gems
>last card is HR Mana
Okay, that was funny, DMM. But you can give me the SR or SSR version, now.

>>14810941
Your fault for letting someone else make the thread.

>>14810960
fuck you.

>>14810925
>>14810976
>edition
Fuck off

>>14810954
>It should be KimiMuv mada?
When ixtl apologizes to Minami. So never.

I hope they improve controls and disable of auto when multiplayer arrives.

Why not use drag to move and click to turn and fire in that direction? Also camera and hitbox improvement.

And the maps could be bigger, I guess.

>>14811038
Matter of fact, I hope they change everything.

>>14811038
>when multiplayer arrives.
Is this actually planned with such shitty gameplay?

I honestly would prefer to just tap to move and click on specific targets I want to be attacked.

>all SR TSF I have are Power, horrible for this event
>I had to switch to a HR Gunner TSF
Shit

>>14810925
http://mla-sf.wikia.com/wiki/Muv-Luv_Alternative_Strike_Frontier_Wikia

File: Untitled.png (28KB, 268x55px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 268x55px

fug

>have 4 SR Mana added
>only the guy with missile TSF is appearing
>damage is average and really slow to shoot
>mission is timing out
gee

>>14811196
roll a ssr pilot and a ssr tsf, max them and you'll be able to do the mission by yourself.

>>14811259
Max SSR pilot and a half decent CP should be enough

File: team.jpg (221KB, 876x488px) Image search: [Google]

221KB, 876x488px

>>14811259
>implying it's THAT easy to roll a SSR
All I have is SSR Cryska literally bought and most of my SR TSFs are slow at attacking.

I had to switched my lv60 Shiranui for that HR chinese TSF because it was doing better

>>14811292
>slow at attacking
You can click the ground next to your TSF to reset the attack timer.

>>14811299
I keep doing that bug the target changing when there are too many close makes it so annoying. I actually just changed that last TSF for a sword type

>>14811302
but it bugs the targets*

File: Immagine.png (99KB, 172x327px) Image search: [Google]

99KB, 172x327px

R8 my team.

>>14811362
Meiya/Meiya

>>14811362
Meiya > Meiya > Meiya > Meiya >>>> Meiya

>>14811362
It would have been pretty funny if you sneaked Mitsuki in there.

>use SR ticket
>SR Chizuru again
Fucking waste of time and points, she has worse attack than HR cards.

>>14811432
I hope they make defense useful. I have SR Kasumi and the defense buff is pointless. Makes me want to use lower rarity CP's that have attack buff instead.

>>14811536
I don't think they are going to. It's going to be Chain Chronicles all over again, in Chain Chronicles the class Knight had lots of defense but their dmg was so low that matches would time out due the lack of dmg, people would only use Knights that had very good active skills.

File: take that.jpg (87KB, 987x572px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 987x572px

Is there greater feeling than pounding a destroyer class in the ass?
>>14811536
If defense buff affects objects it's useful during defense mission. Dunno if it does.

>>14810925
>edition
>general threads
>shitty Muv-Luv threads now can't even talk about anything but even shittier mobage spin-off shit
Good job, losers.

>>14811642
Feel free to talk about anything that isnt Schwarz.

>>14811647
Why is Schwarzemarken not allowed?

>>14811642
this tends to happen when other discussion gets vilified

>>14811652
it may be same universe but it isnt MuvLuv

File: 1467392208144.png (38KB, 499x338px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 499x338px

>>14811656
>>14811647

File: EU1sEsB.png (499KB, 449x642px) Image search: [Google]

499KB, 449x642px

>>14811665
>No MuvLuv in title
>goes against the teachings of saving in the name of true love
>oh but it's still MuvLuv cause it's in the Alt universe

>>14811676
>>No MuvLuv in title
I was actually amazed when the first episode aired, because when I looked Anime Chart it only had Schwarzemarken and I was like "nice a mecha anime"

Then the explanation of BETA started popping in and TSF ...

>>14811676
>imgur filename
>you can't talk about this specific part of muv luv because i don't get it
>taking a part in suppressing discussion of new material so that the degeneration into a general happens faster
really got my almonds going

>>14811685
>you can't talk about this specific part of muv luv because i don't get it
this makes no sense because Schwarz isnt muvluv

>>14811689
It may not have Muv-Luv on it but it's very clear that's done in Muv-Luv world.

>>14811689
it makes no sense because you are literally retarded

i mean, i'd prefer to believe you are mentally handicapped because the other explanation is you are a generalfag, and that's a far more insidious mentality

>>14811676
Granted the SM anime was awful but it is still part of ML.

File: wallpaper8.png (2MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1080px

>>14811707
>>14811699
>>14811689
>>14811685
>>14811684
>>14811676
>>14811656
Can you all fuck off?

Has anyone posted SR Kei's scene yet?

>>14811752
Someone posted a Sad Panda link with lots of scenes yesterday

>>14811752
>>14811755
https://exhentai.org/g/982889/1c8070b705/

>>14811755
>>14811756
Ah, thanks

>>14811652
Spits on the face of Muv-Luv.

>>14811652
Because rational discussions are not possible, for some reason.

>>14811863
SM is literally the only good part of Muv-Luv.

SR Ticket, pilots only?

>>14811880
This is a false flag bait

Holy shit, it's so hard to upgrade Cryska skill.

>>14811882

No

I got a duplicate of a power Fubuki that I already had

>>14811903
I might buy the second ticket then, I really need some decent TSF

File: 096.jpg (21KB, 232x290px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 232x290px

Postan best girl.

So I used a HR ticket and somehow got a SSR out of it.

I used all 7 tickets and got 3 duplicates, which is bullshit considering that I haven't even rolled the g gacha once. fucking rigged.

>>14812053
>SF image
lmao

>>14812069
>So I used a HR ticket and somehow got a SSR out of it.
Stop anon, don't trick myself into purchasing that HR ticket

>>14812108
Just saying. Thought you guys should know.

File: beware.gif (2MB, 600x450px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 600x450px

>>14812125
If you are tricking me, the consequences will be high

>>14812131
dumb frogposter

such a pain having to buy objects one by one and having to scroll down again and again.

File: Muv-Luv_Alternative_-_Grandfather_Tales-F-4A.jpg (301KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

301KB, 1600x1200px

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ApQ6TVhEu0

File: 084.png (107KB, 232x290px) Image search: [Google]

107KB, 232x290px

>>14812053
No

>>14812242
TSFs have a lot of potential for fun gameplay and mass appeal, I think. They're big and slow enough that Western fans who like "realistic" mecha design to be pleased, but they're still human-like and can do the crazy stuff fans of Eastern mecha design like.

>>14812254
Slut

>>14812576
might as well start trading in the top prizes, the bronze to silver to gold conversion rate for items is kinda bad overall.

>>14812582
Okay, submenu, 2nd option, 2nd tab, look at those rates. it takes 100(!) Silver medals for a gold.
Same rates for the TSF gold ones.
The only decent rated item is the common limit break item the battle log disc, which is 5 bronze for a silver, 4 silver for a gold.

>>14812596
So all gold discs and TSF upgrade items are top priority?

>>14812596
Additional reference:
SSR: 50 Silver Battle Logs, 20 Gold Battle Logs, 1 Gold Medal/Part
SR: 20 Silver Battle Logs, 5 Gold Battle Logs, 5 Silver Medal/Part
HR: 20 Bronze Battle Logs, 5 Silver Battle Logs, 1 Silver Medal/Part
R: 10 Bronze Battle Logs, 5 Silver Battle Logs, 10 Bronze Medal/Part
HN: 5 Bronze Battle Logs, 5 Bronze Medal/Part
N: 5 Bronze Battle Logs, 1 Bronze Medal/Part

>>14812617
Given the conversion rate of
10:1 for bronze to silver and 100:1 for silver to gold for medals/parts compared to 5:1 for bronze to silver and 4:1 for silver to gold for battle logs, I'd say battle logs first, then medal and parts.

just picked up another SR Yoroi Mikoto from FP gacha...I should check on that scenario next break between farming runs.

>>14812642
Okay, Mikoto's SR is set after the qualification exam where Takeru accepts an invite from Mikoto to the south island training ground for survival training...no sign of it being a dream yet...

is there a daily mission that gives gold disc items? it costs 6 million points to buy them all, but I could get 6 thousand draws from the peasant gacha for that much.

>>14813057
Yes. If the last BETA doesn't drop a gold chest then no gold disc. It's not worth it,

>>14813057
Pretty sure there is, also lets say the peasant gacha manages to get you a bunch of SR's, if you get a SR's affection to 400% you can get x5 gold discs from that.

>>14813074
what about silver discs? the conversion for gold is only 4 to 1.

>>14813057
Nope, none of the dailies are disc drop as far as I can tell.
The TSF and Pilot dailies drop the Medal/Type Parts.
The weekend is gold.
XP dailies for each
and finally Rank XP.
Thus, no common drop day, annoyingly.

Please let me rest. No more level up pls.

And so. A jewish cash grab begins:
http://www.webmoney.jp/campaign/201610muvluv/

I don't know exactly what this says but I can easily figure out it's some special promo for draining users bank accounts.

>>14813207
At least the serial code is working.

File: mainvisual.png (843KB, 1026x1070px) Image search: [Google]

843KB, 1026x1070px

>>14813207

>>14813207
BTW. Scroll down and you'll see Next to Pyatif a free promo code that will give you 3x100% heal pack. It's free stuff people!

File: povertypoints.jpg (6KB, 249x42px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 249x42px

Just from my constant farming in the event haven't even bought any from the shop.

So far I'm done with all the SR tickets and Gold materials I'm just making dents into gold discs now. 200% boost with My SSR Mana and a friends is the best.

>new stages
HABBENING

>>14813242
I've spent like 200k+ and I got SR Sumika. Gonna grind hard over the weekend and stock a ton. Really happy with this event. Only thing I'd complain about is buying things from the shop, and it making you have to scroll down to buy again. Fucking annoying when you have to do that over 100 times.

>>14813262
New event difficulty
bug fixes

Also...on the twitter strike frontier hashtag #マブラヴSF

There is a user who apparently botted or hacked their way to maxing out the display or something...what with 999 account lvl and max money and max gems...

>>14813299
They added to shop SR Swimsuit Meiya and SR Minori. Only 2500000 each! That's 2-3 days of grinding for me.

>>14813361
evilness lurks in the new difficulty. THREE HEAVY LASERS!

>>14813373
To say nothing of the boss, 350k HP. Just when I thought I had a pretty solid team.

Don't know if I like the newest map for farming. Difficulty outweighs the rewards. You need to use AOE Rocket TSF to deal with the lasers, and spam on the boss. Forced to use 2-3 real people. Extra points aren't that high either. Probably will go back to 12.

File: Capture.jpg (45KB, 768x424px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 768x424px

>>14813379
Yeah. I got an A rank on it and only got this many points from it. I used SSR Mana as support and all BETA killed.

File: Not bad.jpg (97KB, 796x442px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 796x442px

I did a 50 roll with all those gems grind from N Pilots. And I say I'm pleased with the result.

My first Mana cards ever.

>>14813373
the lasers weren't too hard, but the boss was impossible.

>>14813423
The boss isn't that hard. You have to use atk buff skills to make easy work of it. Atk debuff skill is really helpful in the map too.

File: [DHR-Raws][Live] Animelo Summer Live 2014 -ONENESS- 8.29-1 [Main][Disc1][BDRip][1080P][AVC_P10_FLAC].mkv_snapshot_00.04.03_[2016.07.12_23.05.10].jpg (123KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

123KB, 1920x1080px

I know next to nothing about Muv-Luv but I adore this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUmTvbmtaLg
Any specifics I should know or can I just go release order?

File: 1430340607824.jpg (3MB, 2000x3722px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 2000x3722px

>>14813435
Keep in mind Muv-Luv Extra/Unlimited is available on Steam if you'd like to support the team.

>>14813435
Muv-Luv -> Muv-Luv Alternative. In Muv-Luv do Extra first (the Steam Edition lets you choose, the old one automatically starts with Extra), read at least Sumika's and Meiya's routes (Kei is also recommended), then Unlimited. After that just read/watch whatever piques your interest.

>>14813431
I tried using the meiya with attack up skill, but I had her in a melee unit so the boss stunlocked me to death. my ranged unit was doing less than 1000 damage per hit and it had over 300000 hp.

>>14813423
>>14813431
Additionally, apparently the boss has double gun resistance. Best bring different types for the job.

>>14813459
A max level meiya and SSR T type should be doing a lot of damage. DId you use a debuff attack CP.

>>14813463
Though I think this is more of an HP/dead pilot/stat reduction bug. Who knows, considering I took a literal twin double gun and Enkido's was only doing <1000 per shot after its resistance topped off.

>>14813471
I had hr haruka with attack down, but I still got murdered.

>>14812287

>TSFs have a lot of potential for fun gameplay and mass appeal, I think. They're big and slow enough that Western fans who like "realistic" mecha design to be pleased, but they're still human-like and can do the crazy stuff fans of Eastern mecha design like.

The fact that they're based on real life fighter planes I think would help a bit with the Mecha = Power Rangers = for kids mentality, people in states seem to have.

>>14812254

I really like these Pilot and TSF card artworks

Wish age would release full wallpapers of them.

I hope they'll introduce those skill XP items soon enough, right now leveling skills is a pain in the ass.

File: f-22a-raptor_300.jpg (2MB, 3507x2482px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3507x2482px

>>14813492
Dunno about that. I remember posting TSFs in a plane thread before and the autists threw fits about them saying they look nothing like their namesakes. Said I was "reaching" when I pointed out the jump units look like their namesakes.

>>14813511

I think the average person won't know too much or obsess so much over it.

The average movie gobbled up the Bayformer movies even though a lot of the transformers don't look similar to the originals at all.

I suddenly realized something that makes me really depressed. If LEYMEI still lived today he would gladly make HCG for Zhar Battalion.

>>14813207
You retweet your favorite character among those 6 and you might win that webmoney or something.
>>14813200
The ride never ends!
>>14813299
I had a guy level 70 on my list then the ext day, he was level 3 and has been stuck there since then, even though he logins every day. I guess he was a cheater too.
>>14813410
Give me one!

>>14813755
Could also be the fact that japanese have cash to burn and set up a macro bot to just keep running the same mission over and over again while a huge stock of gems for stamina recharges.

File: Takeru_TDA.jpg (186KB, 2037x1440px) Image search: [Google]

186KB, 2037x1440px

>>14813572
>mfw we could have LEYMEI on our friend list.

>>14813572

They died?

>>14813213
How do you use it?

File: 0.jpg (148KB, 980x488px) Image search: [Google]

148KB, 980x488px

>>14813832

>>14813844
Thanks

twitter hashtag is saying that speed looping the tier 2(6 AP) is probably the fastest, apparently

This new difficulty is fucking dumb. It's literally impossible to attack the lasers because your TSF just keeps switching targets to the boss, and you can't kill the boss either because it just stunlocks you to death.

>>14813929
Rocket TSF is your friend.

My waifu > your shit tier waifu

been yolo rolling for Mana, got a SR Mitsuki instead

okay, I've finished the minori SR 500%...IT WAS ALL A DREAM.
*shakes fist at age*

>>14814007
>every single H scene in SF is a dream or fantasy
Talk about being sexually frustrated.

>>14814007
>*
dont do that

>>14814026
I'm just going to ignore that part entirely. If a sex scene exists then it happened.

>>14813390
Did it once and got 55K with one ssr mana ally too (and no mana from me).
>>14813379
Same. I need to play to beat the 15 stamina while I can just do the 12 on autorun and do something else in the meantime (but still check once in a while in case the ally freezes or something)

File: 1472517408328.jpg (110KB, 439x475px) Image search: [Google]

110KB, 439x475px

>another rank up
I want out.

gold dailies are out boys so farm them at half off while you can

>>14813825
i know it was jilpoong that was dead, waht's this shit about leymei now

>>14814392
leymei was his porn pseudonym you dip

>>14814399
I can't believe it took this long for people to figure out they were the same person.

>>14814392
>>14814399
>>14814475
They aren't the same person. Jilpoong was Korean, Leymei is from Japan. Leymei also bookmarked a couple of images last year on his pixiv, which would be impossible for Jilpoong, who died years ago.

People just think they're the same because Leymei hasn't put out any work in a while and they have a similar art style.

>>14814516
KNG guy comfirmed it.

>>14814527
He made an unsourced claim on twitter. That is hardly official.

>>14814516
コミケ85冬を目前に控えている時期ですが、残念なお知らせがあります。
今回のイベントで出す予定だった新刊ですが、体調不良がさらに悪化してしまい、到底締め切りまでには間に合わせることが出来ず、諦めざるを得なくなりました。何とか完成してみようとは思いましたが、こんな結果になってしまい、新刊を楽しみにお待ちして頂いた方々には本当に申し訳ない限りです。深くお詫び申し上げます。
只今作業中の新刊は、夏のイベントまでには何とかなりそうではありますが…コミケでの新刊パンクのペナルティーについては良く分かりませんので、しばらくは落選されるのではないか…と思っています。
といってもこのままで済ませる訳にもいきませんので、お詫びの意味といっては何ですが、描きおろしのイラストチラシを1枚配布する予定ですので、お立ち寄りして頂けるとうれしいです。また、既刊の在庫も若干ですが販売しますので、何卒よろしくお願いいたします。
もうすぐクリスマスですね。皆様も楽しいクリスマスと、良いお年をお過ごしください。
来年もまた、よろしくお願いいたします!

LEYMEI


Jilpoong died in November of 2014, LEYMEI's last work came out in 2014 for C86. The only discrepancy is the bookmarks that you mentioned.

>>14814801
The fact that one has activity and the other doesn't is more than enough proof.

Also

Jilpoong
>Location Korea, Republic of

Leymei
>Location Tokyo, Japan

File: LEYMEI vs Jilpoong.jpg (2MB, 2588x2396px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2588x2396px

Obviously the artstyle is going to be similar since they're both emulating the same source material, but the differences are strong enough that's it's clearly two different artists.

>>14814819
>You have to be 100% truthful of where your from
I guess I'm in Aomori, Japan right now.

I'd be as happy as the next guy for when LEYMEI draws another doujin but with what I see right now LEYMEI is either dead or he just gave up, he hasn't worked on anything since 2013 and dragged his C85 Cryska doujin for months because of his poor condition.

This last event mission is fucking retarded, one of the strongest friends I had got killed just vs these 3 Grapplers.

Literally whale mission with a SSR TSF + SSR TSF pilots maxed + SSR CP maxed

>>14814940
I S ranked it with the SR they gave us, and a SR TSF. I don't have any SSR's and my CP is not even rare. Get good.

>get a sniper TSF
>range to shoot is the same of gunner
these developers not only make the gameplay bugged but make some TSF very shit

I got all of the golden rewards except for 20 discs and the Meiya and Minori cards. What should I focus on getting now?

>>14814994
Discs.

>>14815005
Yeah I thought as much.

>>14815026
>stasi getting most votes

Elevens sure have shit taste.

>>14815035
SM is what's hot right now, so of course they'll vote for her.

>>14815026
I didnt see...Haru won hers right....r-right?

File: 1471361505139.jpg (235KB, 600x800px) Image search: [Google]

235KB, 600x800px

>>14815026
>>14815035
>>14815040
>>14815042
Who even cares about birthday images anymore when they keep making this talentless fuck draw all of them?

>>14815035
you're dumb

>>14815048
Will we ever get Lilia in SF?

>>14815059
I just think Munakata or Motoko were better choices. Still, it's not like it really matters because >>14815048 is right.

>>14815066
Beatrix usually wins her group, anon. The only reason you don't see many birthday pics of her is because monpei usually steal the spot.

>>14815026
Bernadette strong! She even managed to beat the gay duo.

Should I farm g stones using N characters? Are HN and R characters worth it?

>>14815087
Yes. No. I don't even care about hr characters.

>>14815076
People just vote for them to buttblast the waifufags. It was basically the equivalent of /v/ trolling the Gamefaqs character polls back in the day. Of course, now that they have multiple winners instead of just one, Monpei winning isn't as big a deal. There was a time where they pretty much swept the November polls for five consecutive years, thus blocking anyone else from getting new art.

>>14815086
Bernadette got more votes then Beatrix last year. French Taiga's popularity is not to be underestimated.

>>14815087
HR and R only increase the cost when combining cards for the same amount of gem, unless the rest of the stuff that get a bit better interest you.

So just go for N cards to farm gems.

>>14815095
Thanks for the history lesson, but I already knew.

File: 1459462301476.jpg (271KB, 990x700px) Image search: [Google]

271KB, 990x700px

Monpei SSR when?

>Yui is the only TE girl with a sex scene
Why? Even Cryska just has a shower with no fucking.

File: 1443677823371.jpg (920KB, 1958x4146px) Image search: [Google]

920KB, 1958x4146px

>>14815160

>>14815030
When did this happen?

>>14815174
Some point in Irisdina's route. No real context given.

>>14815169
Yeah but you don't see them actually fuck. There's no excuse for her SF H-scene.

File: ....jpg (385KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

385KB, 1280x720px

>>14815169

>>14815214
well it is a plot point that cryska couldn't live without being stoned

>>14815221
>>14815214
>tfw I never did play TE but somehow knew she would die because she needed drugs
Well fuck

I wish they would make levels harder by increasing the number of enemies instead of making their stats higher

>>14815246
it was obvious anyway. name one cyber newtype heroine that didn't die.

>>14815353
>I wish they would make levels harder by increasing the number of enemies instead of making their stats higher
they did that for one of the minori missions

it was terrible

File: CuKsi92VUAAYLG_[1].jpg (35KB, 672x384px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 672x384px

>Bunny Yui Figure

NICE

>>14815367
B won, for anyone who was interested.

>>14815406
i like it, it's the less generic, the other two pose are overused for figures.

File: Screenshot_2016-10-08-08-08-16.jpg (209KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

209KB, 1280x720px

>ssr Meiya infodump at 500% is meta showing the main games of the series and it just ends with her saying welcome to the muv luv world.
I guess she had too many cards already and they couldn't put lewd everywhere.

>>14815470
Well now you made me feel bad for voting C. I liked all of them, so I wasn't really voting for one in particular.

>>14815481
How many people unfamiliar with the series are even going to see that? They should've put it on some welfare SR instead.

>>14815481
Meiya is pure, thats why

>>14812254
>Sharon Heim
>any time better then Yuzuka
Kek

>>14815939
>Yuzukashitters are also kekposters
huh

>>14815939
Official Best Girl Rankings:

ML>>>TE>TDA>KNIK>KGNE>>>SM

>>14815947
>he doesn't like the KimiItas, and KimiNozos
What the fuck anon

>>14815947
>Official
>TE
>TDA
>above KGNE
Yeah, no. You have some of the craziest shit taste I've seen in a while.

>>14815947
>TE>TDA>KNIK>KGN
anon-san...

>>14815030
Why is Irisdina's hair covered in blood?

>>14815979
Probably got smacked once or twice, I don't know nigga. They don't really drop exposition in 10 seconds previews.

>>14815985
If it was from one of her wounds, it would not be on top of her hair.

File: dV7xoa0.jpg (94KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

94KB, 1920x1080px

>>14816005
Yeah, but who, and why? Iris doesn't seem the type to fine with bathing in other people's blood like Beatrix or Lise, unless the anime is just totally off rocker about her.

>>14815989
>>14816011
No, I remember now. Like the other guy on /a/ said, it's from a scene in Irisdina's route where Lise fails to arrest Iris, and the 666th are getting ready to bail. It's more than likely Irisdina's blood, and if you remember in the anime Iris starts bleeding after being beat by Lise.

So if /a/ really is right about Katia being apprehended by the stasi instead of the 666th in Irisdina's route, how much would that totally change Schwarzesmarken's overall story?

>>14816025
What? I think that was just a question on how there was no Katia in the preview, which means she's with the rest of the 666th or she's in Beatrix's hands. I don't think it "totally" changes SM since the most important point in a rebellion is gathering the population's support, which requires an icon for people to rally around, a role that Irisdina can satisfy.

File: 1472847892588.jpg (63KB, 435x260px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 435x260px

>>14816011
Irisdina leads by example, I don't think she's worried about getting dirty.

>>14816011
>>14816056
>unless the anime is just totally off rocker about her.
Also yes.
https://type94.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/anime-anime-tetsuya-watanabe/
>Watanabe: What I talked with Higuchi-san about was picking up the major elements of the novels, and using them to build a story where the characters develop more linearly. Irisdina is a character that the main character Theodor looks up to. She’s like Maetel from Galaxy Express 999. Theodor is somebody who winds up following in her footsteps.
Irisdina is not like that at all in the VN or LN. The anime pretty much stripped her of her character and turned her into a sexless saint.

>>14816078
>Beatrix was a one note villain before the anime and BiS

ベアトリクスは愛機としている深紅のMiG-27アリゲートルの前に立ち止まった。
「あと一歩……あと一歩で、私の理想とする東ドイツが生まれる……」
自然に口元が緩ゆるむ。これまでの全ては、ここに至るための手段だった。国家保安省シユタージモスクワ派に取り入ったのも、「ヴェアヴォルフ」大隊の指揮官となったのも、その立場を利用して、国連軍とのコネクションを得たのも──。
不意にアイリスディーナの顔が思い浮かぶ。ベアトリクスはさらに微笑みを深くした。彼女は自分の理想を否定した結果、現在のような境遇に堕おとされているのだ。
しかも、アイリスディーナは自分にとって因縁浅からぬ存在だったあの人を──。
「私が成なし遂とげてあげる。貴女たちが弱さゆえに選べなかった、この理想を」

>----------

『──がぁぁっ!』
背後を振り返る──ヴァルター機に向かわせたはずの大隊副官のMiG-27アリゲートルが、砲撃の直撃を食らっていた。テオドールの無謀な動きに気を向けた僅かな隙を狙われたらしい。
ヴァルターはその墜落を見届けることなく、収容所へ急接近している。
「……ッ! そういうこと……ッ!」
ベアトリクスはこの戦いで初めて怒りの形ぎよう相そうを浮かべ、MiG-21バラライカを追った。
先のMiG-23チボラシユカ改の突撃と比べると、運動性は確実に劣おとる。だが、絶妙なタイミングで照準を外はずし続つづけている。
ベアトリクスはロケットモーターに火を入れ、最大出力でMiG-21バラライカに急接近──マチェットナイフでMiG-21バラライカの胸部を切り裂こうとした。MiG-21バラライカは急制動でそれを迎え撃とうとするが──運動性能の差により間に合わない。
「はぁぁぁぁっ!」
マチェットナイフを振り下ろした一瞬後、確かな斬撃の手応えが伝わる。
だが、次の瞬間にベアトリクスが見たものは、MiG-21バラライカの胸部装甲に突き刺さるマチェットナイフと、自機の右主腕を相手の両主腕でがっちりと保持された状況だった。
「貴様……ヴァルターッ!」
ベアトリクスは憎々しげに叫んだ。あえて胸部装甲に斬撃を受け、同時にそれを保持するなど曲芸じみた技量をもつ衛士は自分を除けばアイリスディーナと、もうひとりしか思い浮かばなかった。
管制ユニットを直撃しなかったとしても、衝撃で衛士は間違いなく重傷を負う。完全に捨て身の戦法──。
『──貴様には分からないだろう、ベアトリクス!』
ヴァルターが外部スピーカーで語りかけてくる。
『──あの日から、あの子がどれだけ苦しみ、どれだけ心に杭くいを打たれてきたのか……国家保安省シユタージの恐怖による統率で、人類を救うなどという歪んだ大義に酔った貴様には……!』
「大義に酔っているのは貴様たちも同じだ! あの時、貴様たちが私を……しなければ!」
急機動でMiG-21バラライカを振り解こうとするベアトリクスのMiG-27アリゲートルに、地表に向けて最大出力をかけるヴァルター。出力で劣るMiG-21バラライカを振り切れないことから導き出される結論は、跳躍ジヤンプユニットの爆発覚悟でリミッターを切っているということだった。
ベアトリクスはヴァルターが何をしようとしているのかを悟った。

「…ッ!」
アネットは鼓こ膜まくに響き渡ったヴァルターの声に一瞬だけ動揺した。本来ならそんな余裕はないのだが──それがヴァルターの魂たましいの言葉だと分かったからだ。
(クリューガー中尉…!?)
アネットとシルヴィアのMiG-21バラライカはベルリンの壁の上空に到達し、そこで「ヴェアヴォルフ」大隊のMiG-23チボラシユカ、MiG-27アリゲートルと戦闘を繰り広げていた。
幸いと言うべきか、今のところ「ヴェアヴォルフ」大隊は壁の前に集まった市民への直接攻撃は行っていない──さすがにそれは最後の手段としているらしい。壁の向こう──西ベルリンに砲撃が着弾することを恐れているのかもしれない。
しかし、全般的に戦況は劣勢だった。機体性能の差が如によ実じつに表れる結果となっているのだった。推進剤も残り僅か──タイムリミットは近い。
壁の前に集う市民たちが、目の前の戦いに恐怖しているのも明らかだった。誰もが物陰に身を隠し、それでも自分たちの戦いを注視している。

>>14816090
『──シルヴィア』
アネットの耳に、ヴァルターの声が届いたのは、その劣勢を意識した直後だった。
アネットはシルヴィアの機体を見つめた。シルヴィアは自分の僚機として見事に「ヴェアヴォルフ」と交戦してくれていた。まるでAH対人類戦闘をすでに経験していたかのように。
『──お前に罪などない』
アネットの視界に投影されたシルヴィアは無言のまま、激情を堪えるように唇を結び、その言葉を聞いている。
『──お前は俺たちと一緒に東ドイツを、何千万もの命を救おうとしている。お前は価値のある行いをしている! 誰に決められたわけでもなく、お前自身で選択してだ! そしてそれは欧州を、人類全体を救うことになるかもしれない』
シルヴィアが息を飲んだことにアネットは気付いた。
『──お前だって、本当は分かっているはずだ…。お前は優しい女だ! だから、お前はもう、解放されていい!』
シルヴィアの瞳ひとみが困惑に揺らぐ。アネットは言葉を失った。シルヴィアとヴァルターはふたりにしか分からない会話を交わしている。そしてそれは、おそらくヴァルターからシルヴィアへの遺ゆい言ごんなのだと気付いてしまった。
『──きっとお前は幸せになれる! 幸福にならなくてはいけない!』
シルヴィアの震える吐と息いき──それはアネットが初めて聞く、シルヴィアの人間らしい息遣いだった。
『──黙れっ!』
スピーカーで発せられたと思われるベアトリクスの怒声。同時にMiG-27アリゲートルはMiG-21バラライカに絡からみ付つかれたまま上空へロケット噴射で一直線に跳躍──その後、ノズルを真上に向けて自らを急降下させた。ヴァルターはそれでもベアトリクスを離さないが、ベアトリクスは姿勢を横ばいに近い形にかえ、ヴァルターだけを地表に激突させようとする。
一瞬後、勢いよく地表に叩き付けられるヴァルターのMiG-21バラライカ。衝撃の余り、ヴァルター機の全身が粉砕され、その結果としてMiG-27アリゲートルから引き離される──ベアトリクスは離脱を図りつつ突撃砲を構える。ヴァルターは──MiG-21バラライカが地表に叩き付けられた瞬間にデータリンクが切れたため、どうなっているかわからない。
「クリューガー中尉!」
データリンクが回復──生きている──だが、MiG-21バラライカは稼働状態にあった1基の跳躍ジヤンプユニット──おそらく、ヴァルターが意図的に姿勢を調節し、衝撃から生き残らせた──のロケットを噴射、自らの半壊状態の全身をベアトリクスの突撃砲に突き付けるように肉薄する。人間業じゃない、とアネットは戦せん慄りつした。
『─うぉぉぉぉぉぉッッ!』
ヴァルターの魂の叫び──同時にベアトリクスの突撃砲が瞬く。
至近での砲撃の直撃を受け、一瞬で跳躍ジヤンプユニットごと爆散するヴァルターのMiG-21バラライカ。激しい炎と黒煙、衝撃波が吹雪を吹き飛ばしながら空中に発生し、当然ながらMiG-27アリゲートルもそれに巻き込まれ──一瞬後、吹き飛ばされるようにその黒煙から姿を現し、地上に叩き付けられる。
「そん、な…」
アネットは言葉にならない声を漏らしながらその情景を見つめていた。幾重もの涙が頰ほおを伝っていく。シルヴィアも凝固していた。
ベアトリクスのMiG-27アリゲートルは全身の損傷こそ軽微だったものの、右手の突撃砲を失っていた。爆発の衝撃を左手で遮さえぎろうとしたのか、左のナイフシースも半ば粉砕されている──再起動が可能だとしても、MiG-27アリゲートルに武装は何ひとつ残されていない。
ヴァルターは己の身を犠牲にしてMiG-27アリゲートルを無力化したのだ。あの損傷では、補給を受けない限り、最早まともな戦闘は不可能──。

>>14816090
>>Beatrix was a one note villain before the anime and BiS
>I got the first Schwarzesmarken Blu-Ray disc in a while back, and I was surprised and pleased to find that each disc will come with a booklet with notes from author Hiroki Uchida on each episode. One interesting thing that Uchida reveals in the notes for episode 2 is that, during the script meetings for the anime, he and director Tetsuya Watanabe had a long discussion about the scene where Irisdina executes her brother Jurgen. This was right about the time that Uchida was about to start writing Bernhard im Schatten, a Schwarzesmarken prequel story focusing on Irisdina, Beatrix, and Jurgen, and Uchida mentions that the discussion they had helped shape the story he was about to write. In episode 12, you can clearly see how this discussion also influenced the anime, as it is packed with references to the relationship between the three characters. Almost none of these references existed in the original novel (in fact, I don’t think Jurgen even had a name at the time – he was just “Irisdina’s brother”). These references especially help shed light on Beatrix’s state of mind, suggesting that she believes, in her own way, that she is carrying on Jurgen’s will in helping to save the world. These new additions, along with her much more sympathetic portrayal in Bernhard im Schatten, help to make Beatrix a much more rounded character – she’s kind of a one-note villain in the original novels.

I can quote "head in his ass" Type-94 as well.

Note that other LNfags and japs disagree on the whole "one-note villain".

>>14812053
>call her best girl
>saturate image with artifacts

It's hard to tell whether or not you're being sarcastic.

>>14816102
He also says that Beatrix and Ketchup were equally evil. He also neglects to mention that East Germany fell within 3 months of the rebellion succeeding, something that any long term Muv-Luv fan should know, implying instead that good had triumphed over evil.

>>14816111
She's not even officially in the game yet.

>>14816114
And I just realized he posted paragraphs of moon pertaining to Beatrix in response to my post about Irisdina.

What the fug

>>14816114
Wasn't the last time T-94 was completely off something to do with TE anime?

>>14816117
You brought up Type-94, and many people seem to have an axe to grind with him for some reason. It's like he kicked a puppy or something.

>>14816126
>Wasn't the last time T-94 was completely off something to do with TE anime?
Not the first or last time.
>You brought up Type-94, and many people seem to have an axe to grind with him for some reason. It's like he kicked a puppy or something.
I brought up T94 because that page has a link to the interview that explains why Irisdina's character was butchered. People have an axe to grind with him because he's not very proficient in Japanese (He has gotten many things wrong and spawned many of the SM memes we see today) and sucks Watanabe's cock at every opportunity he can. You're talking about a guy who claimed the KGNE anime was superior to the VN.

>>14816142
>He has gotten many things wrong and spawned many of the SM memes we see today
Is he the guy responsible for the whole Beatrix turbolesbian rapist meme?

>>14815367
>>14815406

Is Koto going to be making the figure? Yui is my favorite TE girl, so I'll probably pick her up even though I know she will bargain bin. Unless she's overpriced

>>14816160
No, that's animesuki. He spawned most of the Beatrix is evil stuff. I don't know how a guy can claim to have read Requiem and then go and say Beatrix and Axmann are about the same in their evilness.

Another example is Watanabe admitting in that aforementioned interview he didn't know the Stasi were a real thing, and wanted to portray them in a way that didn't offend victims of their regime (meanwhile Deutschland 83 is a thing in Germany). And then Type-94 says SM is a competent adaptation.

It's just general fuckups in understanding, contradictions and other inane garbage that make Type-94 unreliable.

File: CqxvK48VYAAXp0b.jpg (208KB, 1440x1080px) Image search: [Google]

208KB, 1440x1080px

>>14816170
Same guys who made the Iris fig.

>>14816173
Yeah, even Kiminozo guy said it was a terrible adaptation (after he actually played the VN and read some of the LN), despite sucking off the anime's dick otherwise.

File: mc_spanking.png (1MB, 1366x768px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1366x768px

>>14811627
Reminds me of this.

>>14816173
>It's just general fuckups in understanding, contradictions and other inane garbage that make Type-94 unreliable.
Then how can we rely on his translations of the interviews?

>>14816186
KNG was putting off the VN and "sucking off" the anime since he didn't have anything to compare it to.
>>14816193
The source is on that page. If I had to answer, it'd be that he isn't injecting his opinion for the translations of that interview.

>>14811756
Are those png format?

>>14816203
>If I had to answer, it'd be that he isn't injecting his opinion for the translations of that interview.
And by opinions I mean whenever he tries story analysis, which is where the asspain mainly comes from. He claimed things like the relationship between Jurgen and Beatrix was bolted on after BiS, yet the elevens discovered that relationship through clues and implications all the way back in 2013. (http://toro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1380343977/)
>>14816234
125MB for 368 images? Unlikely.

>>14816240
It's also implied in
>>14816090
>>14816097

>Support STILL freezes
Fix your shit DMM.

>>14816240
So where can I find those WITHOUT artifacts?

TSF Weapon Type Advantage against BETA strains:
Sword: Tank, Grappler
Guard: Fort, Heavy Laser
Double Gun: Tank, Grappler
Rifle: Destroyer, Fort
Missile: Laser, Heavy Laser

>>14816330
only one way and helluva illegal
Hack into age

>>14816478
what is the best general setup? 3 machineguns, 1 shield, 1 missile?

>>14816622
machine gun for gold tank, MISSILE for everything else

>>14816580
You realize artifacts != mosaic censoring, right?

>>14816756
still doesn't refute the point that if you want the original stuff, the only place is the source.

>>14816763
Or you could just, y'know, save the images in a lossless format like png.

>>14816173
>I don't know how a guy can claim to have read Requiem and then go and say Beatrix and Axmann are about the same in their evilness.

Beatrix kills far more people and has way more blood on her hands, especially towards the end, so strictly from that perspective, she's worse. If you take into account their motives however, Axmann is far more evil as he's in it purely to sate his sadism and lust for power whereas Beatrix, even though she's callous when it comes to death, is mostly selfless and utilitarian in her goals.

Stella, Sharon, other TE character SR cards when

>>14816176

FREEing is hit or miss I think, and if it's 1/4 scale like Irisdina, I'll wait for a price drop.

Unless she's drop dead gorgeous.

>>14816872
The TE scenes have been really disappointing so far. Yui's don't really happen and Cryska's don't have any fucking. I have low expectations for the rest.

>>14816913
None of the scenes so far "really" happened. Though it's unclear what exactly "really" means in that case.

SR Hayase is lesbian time in the showers with Isumi Michiru...who knows...

>>14816927
"real" as in not just an incestuous girl fantasizing about her onii-chan

>>14810976
Months? The game has been out for less than 2 weeks, you can make 50 gems just grinding normals.

File: 1300283689168.jpg (49KB, 369x358px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 369x358px

Does anyone have a clue how to get through the 15 stam mission? Fuck those Grapplers hit hard.

>>14816977
19 days
>>14816979
Kill them one at a time. Don't forget to switch whenever someone in your team has their skill up.

>>14816776
>Beatrix kills far more people and has way more blood on her hands, especially towards the end, so strictly from that perspective, she's worse.
That's the thing though, you can't really say that for certain. She may kill more people from what we seen, but Axmann is 100x more callous when it comes to human lives, there's no reason it's not plausible he is responsible for more deaths (at least until the end when Katia forces Beatrix to take drastic actions on rioters). TSFiA 42 shows that Beatrix isn't happy at all with killing people, I wouldn't tell you she's a good person after killing people, but she's hardly an unfeeling sociopath.

File: 1355109743257.jpg (161KB, 689x845px) Image search: [Google]

161KB, 689x845px

>>14816995
But they keep hitting you? Seems like the only answer is a Berkut.

File: 20160721230521_1.jpg (191KB, 1812x1062px) Image search: [Google]

191KB, 1812x1062px

Since there won't be a Yuuhi figure for a while, think I'm going to start saving my gems to hopefully get Kurogane along with his 00-C when they finally release him.

Are the SR's really worth 2.5 million? That's a shitload of silver discs I could get.

File: 1359260283447.gif (109KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

109KB, 500x500px

>>14817067
I don't think so. Childhood friend has disappointing stats and I think most people already maxed swimsuit Meiya. Getting mat for promoting a SSR makes more sense.

>>14817073
I'm only asking because I don't have a maxed out swimsuit Meiya. Is it still possible to get her in gachas or is it an event only thing?

>>14817075
no, that's the last change, at least for this year, maybe they remade her event later.

>>14816776
>Beatrix kills far more people and has way more blood on her hands

actually the 666th kill more people in the LN, VN and anime than Beatrix does on screen.

>>14817056
there is a kurogane card?

>>14817121
Not yet, but it's coming soon.

http://g.e-hentai.org/g/982500/fbd7a2761c/

Lots of interesting cards here. SR and SSR for many characters that don't have them yet.

File: 095.jpg (20KB, 232x290px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 232x290px

>>14817129
Nice!

Got SR Mana finally

>>14817067
It's for those who weren't there during the events and missed them.
>>14817073
Minori has 'heal all' skill, that's what really matters with her.
>>14817075
As long as you have one card, you can max it with items. You don't need four dupes.

>>14817239
>As long as you have one card, you can max it with items. You don't need four dupes.
Thanks for reminding me of that. I was so concerned about getting dupes I completely forgot about that.

File: Kasumi - 7.jpg (346KB, 1106x1600px) Image search: [Google]

346KB, 1106x1600px

>>14815353
> name one cyber newtype heroine that didn't die.
pic related.

>>14817272
Buy golden discs like there's no tomorrow.

>>14817290
You need like 4 million to buy all the 200k ones, which is where I'm at right now. I could probably cover the cost of gems with N's and HN's but the real question is do I have the will to do this?

>>14817308
Well, I've gotten about 6 millions since the start of the event, I need another 1.5 to buy all remaining golden discs and then who knows.

>>14817321
*another 3 actually

>>14815026
I just want new art for Kashiwagi and Aki and I don't even care who will draw it.

>>14816097
>>14816090

The only thing Walter says to Beatrix is that she's a twisted person (『──あの日から、あの子がどれだけ苦しみ、どれだけ心に杭くいを打たれてきたのか……国家保安省シユタージの恐怖による統率で、人類を救うなどという歪んだ大義に酔った貴様には……!』).

He's not trying to save Beatrix, but kill her. Like the rest of the 666th, he'd probably think death would be too good for such a horrible person.

Walter seems to be directing the bit about being a good woman to Sylwia (everything after 『──シルヴィア』). It makes Beatrix look like even more of a monster in that she'd cut off his last words to Sylwia like that.

She really is nothing more then an evil cunt. I miss it back when Muv-Luv villains had some depth to them. Give me more Sagiris. Sure, he's an all around douchebag, but his actions make sense and are sympathetic from his limited perspective. Most conflicts aren't good vs evil after all, but over misunderstanding and clashes of interests or priorities.

And goddamnit Kouki, stop making the fetish appeal so evil. Fucking hottest semen demon in SM and can't even get a boner from her because she's so horrible

File: 1414760006330.jpg (104KB, 608x449px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 608x449px

>>14817589
>He's not trying to save Beatrix, but kill her. Like the rest of the 666th, he'd probably think death would be too good for such a horrible person.

>>14817093
Beatrix doesn't give a fuck about collateral damage, so she does kill more then anyone else. She also fires 36mm rounds into crowds of people with nothing but a smile. She quite literally uses human shields in the LN with 0 regrets knowing that the 666th would pull their punches (and then gets fucked when Theo does not). Beatrix and Axmann are about equally shitty human beings. I don't know if Beatrix was always evil and it was just waiting to be let out, or if she underwent the same brainwashing that Lise went through, but by SM, she is more monstrous then the BETA.

>>14817589
>Walter seems to be directing the bit about being a good woman to Sylwia (everything after 『──シルヴィア』).
If you are relying on machine translations like the rest of us, that is pure speculation.

>It makes Beatrix look like even more of a monster in that she'd cut off his last words to Sylwia like that.
She saw a opening and took it. It barely changes the moral implications of the whole affair.

>She really is nothing more then an evil cunt.
And that's why the japs guessed everything the prequel revealed confirmed, two years before, right?

>>14817629
>She also fires 36mm rounds into crowds of people with nothing but a smile.
Source on that smile, pls.

>She quite literally uses human shields in the LN with 0 regrets knowing that the 666th would pull their punches (and then gets fucked when Theo does not).
The 666th is almost always the ones choosing the place of engagement, not her. They, and not Theo exclusively, are the ones giving no fucks about collateral damage.

幸いと言うべきか、今のところ「ヴェアヴォルフ」大隊は壁の前に集まった市民への直接攻撃は行っていない──さすがにそれは最後の手段としているらしい。壁の向こう──西ベルリンに砲撃が着弾することを恐れているのかもしれない。

File: edc for getting gas in detroit.jpg (117KB, 433x438px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 433x438px

>>14817629

>>14817589
Sagiri was unlikable, and his philosophy was retarded, but you could still see how someone could believe the shit he did. He had his own points and a different interpretation of them then the shogunate. It was America withdrawing and all the food shortages that compelled him into extremism, but even in all his dickishness, he believed he was doing the right thing.

Fast forward a decade later, and now we have edgelords twirling mustaches as they kill people for enjoyment, bomb to their very own food stocks, and do shit to maximize evil. I don't want morally grey antagonist, I just want realistically behaving ones, and a whole faction who's motto can be summed up as torturing people for no reason is not what I call realistic.

Even the damned Nazis ran their mass killings in secret.

And no, this isn't just Watanabe's abomination, this is in the source material too.

>>14817653
>They, and not Theo exclusively, are the ones giving no fucks about collateral damage.


(人狼どもの隊長を務つとめるだけある──!)
焦しよう燥そう──対応を模索する間もなく、さらに強い衝撃に揺ゆさぶられる。
「ぐぁぁぁっ!」
強烈な回し蹴りが叩き込まれ、古い住宅地へ吹き飛ばされる──テオドールの機体によって、住宅地は一瞬で粉砕されていた。外部センサーが家屋の倒壊音と市民の悲鳴を拾う。
「……ッ! ベアトリクス……!」
ベアトリクスは一般市民の損害に構わず、テオドールを蹴り飛ばしたのだ。東ベルリンで戦う以上、一般市民を巻き込むのは承知の上──だが、だからといって──。

File: 1475402988221.png (398KB, 741x420px) Image search: [Google]

398KB, 741x420px

>>14817663
>Fast forward a decade later, and now we have edgelords twirling mustaches as they kill people for enjoyment, bomb to their very own food stocks, and do shit to maximize evil.
signals to the militia that we're coming

File: Not Socialism.png (183KB, 340x380px) Image search: [Google]

183KB, 340x380px

>>14817663
>And no, this isn't just Watanabe's abomination, this is in the source material too.
No, that's a complete misinterpretation of what made the Stasi so terrifying. It wasn't just that they would abduct you in the middle of the night and just make you disappear. It was that they knew everything little thing about you, and you were afraid that at any moment someone could report you to them whether it be your neighbor, your lover, or just someone passing down the street. It was living in this constant state of paranoia and fear not just the threat of force. Having them execute anyone they disliked without collecting any information on them or silencing others with blackmail would have been easy to show.

>>14817723
>Having them execute anyone they disliked without collecting any information on them or silencing others with blackmail would have been easy to show.
now when watanabe didn't even know they were real.

>>14817670
>>14817653

Beatrix not giving a fuck again:

「……ッ、相変わらずだな……!」
ベアトリクスは一般市民を戦闘に巻き込むことに躊躇いを感じていない──目的を果たすためのコストでしかないと考えている。

Theodor giving a huge fuck about collateral damage while Beatrix uses civilians as shields. Then Beatrix gives her rationale why she doesn't care (we're all interchangeable or expendable)

テオドールはアネット機からベアトリクス機を引ひき剝はがすための砲撃を放つ。ベアトリクスはマンション群を盾にしながら砲撃を行い、テオドールから距離を取ろうとする。テオドールの砲撃が止まる──市民を巻き込むわけにはいかない。
砲撃を諦め回避に専念──再び戦場を変えようとするが、MiG-27アリゲートルが撃ち出した砲弾が背後のマンションに直撃──爆発炎上する。
「どうしてだ……ッ!」
テオドールは音声をスピーカー出力に切り替える。
「どうして、そこまでの腕を持ちながら、あんたは……!」
聞こえているだろうが、答えが返ってくるかは分からない。しかし、テオドールは叫ばずにはいられなかった。
「そこまで社会主義が……国家保安省シユタージの理念とやらが大切なのか!?」
返答は砲声のみ──テオドールもそれに応じるように砲撃戦を継続する。
「これが、これがあんたの理想の東ドイツの姿なのか!?」
ベアトリクスが分からない。アイリスディーナが認めているであろう女が、なにゆえここまで頑かたくなな行動をするのか。この女には何かもっと別の事情があるのではないかという気がする。
分からないままでいるのは嫌だった。リィズの悲劇はもう繰り返すわけにはいかない。
弾倉を交換──これが最後だ。
『──そのとおりよ』
久方ぶりに聞くベアトリクスの声──テオドールは息を飲んだ。
『──人は移ろいやすいもの。確固たる枠で形を作ってやらねば、容易に楽なほうへと逃げたがる。BETAという人類未み曾ぞ有うの危機に立ち向かうには、手を携えてなんてお為ためごかしじゃ無理。恐怖で縛り上げて、立ち向かわねばならない状況を作り、全ての力を対BETAに向けるシステムが必要なのよ』
「対BETAのためのシステム……!?」
意外な言葉だった。
『──手を携えて戦っていると言いながら、なぜ後方の国々は前線に出ない? 東西ドイツですらこの有様。勝った後のことを考えて滅んだ国がどれだけあると思っている?』
テオドールは愕然としていた。
『──他の誰にもできないなら私がやるしかない。……BETAに対抗するための究極の戦闘国家の創造──それだけの話よ』
ベアトリクスが国連の庇護下で国家保安省シユタージ体制を存続させようとしていることは察していた。しかしその目的が、権力欲などではなく、対BETA戦のためだけに特化した国家を作り出すためとは──完全に想像を越えていた。
「……人々を……俺たちを感情のないロボットにでもする気か!?」
『──そうね。これはBETAとの生存競争よ。感情をなくせば勝てるというなら、そうしてもらうだけね』
これは何だ──個人の欲望に端を発したものではない。
「ふざけるな! そんなものが許されてたまるか! そんな非人道的な手段、他のどこの国が認めると……」
『──全世界が渇かつ望ぼうしているわ。ソ連は言うに及ばず、アメリカのような自由主義を標ひよう榜ぼうする国家もね』
「何を、言って……」
反論が続かない。答えが見えてしまったのだ。ベアトリクスの言葉は正しい。誰もがそう思うであろう──対BETA専用の戦闘国家が前線に存在してくれれば自分たちは犠牲を払わずに済む、と。
『──東ドイツは人類を……この星を救うための実験国家となる。──それを理解できない貴方たちこそ、人類の敵だとは思わない?』
ベアトリクスが微笑みを浮かべているとテオドールは感じた。そして理解した。ベアトリクスの真髄は、他者をも巻き込んだ上での究極の自己犠牲にあるということに──。
彼女は全世界の人々ため、東ドイツ国民を生いけ贄にえとして己の作り上げた神に捧ささげようとしているのだ、と──。

>>14817031
I am a bit lost, is that big pussy actual part of this BETA class?

>>14817759
Here's the same two passages in the Chink translations. I'm totally willing to listen to counter arguments here too, if you have any. Please convince me that Beatrix is a tragic character, because all I see is someone whose death was a positive thing:

和先前的战斗一样,贝阿特里克斯用一般市民的公寓大楼做掩护进行炮击并短距离跳跃拉近距离━━提奥多尔想短距离跳 跃回避将战场转移到街区外,但MIG-27直接射出榴弹打穿大楼。

「……又这样……!」

贝阿特里克斯毫不犹豫地把市民卷入战斗━━把他们当作达成目的的必要损耗。

>................................................................................................................................................................................

提奥多尔为将贝阿特里克斯从安妮特身上引开放出炮击。贝阿特里克斯以大楼做掩护炮击着和提奥多尔拉开距离。提奥多

尔停下炮击━━尽量不把市民卷进来。

停下炮击专注回避,想再次转换战场,但MIG-27又从背后放出炮弹,击中大楼后爆炸。

「为什么……!」

提奥多尔将声音切为外放。

「为什么,你为什么有这本事还……!」

不知道她是否能听见,也不知道是否会有回答。可是提奥多尔却不由地喊出声。

「社会主义……和史塔西的理念有那么重要吗!?」

回答的只有炮击━━提奥多尔因此继续和她炮击战。

「这,这就是你理想的东德了吗!?」

不明白贝阿特里克斯这个人。既然是爱丽丝蒂娜认同的女人,为何这等顽固地行事。他意识到这女人或许是为别的事情。

不想这样不明不了。不想重蹈丽姿的悲剧了。

换上弹夹━━这次最后组了。

『━━是啊』

贝阿特里克斯久违的声音让提奥多尔屏住了呼吸。
『━━人是易变的。不给他们一个固定框架就会轻易逃到更安逸的地方去。在BETA这种人类空前的危机前,用携手共渡这种

口号就妄想摆脱危机吗。必须要用恐怖束缚住他们,制造不得不面对的状况和竭尽全力应对BETA的系统』

「应对BETA的系统……!?」

意外的发言。

『━━声称携手应战,为什么后方国家不上前线?连东西德都这幅德行。尽想些打赢的事,可知毁灭的国家有多少?』

提奥多尔哑然失语。

『━━其他人办不到那么只有我来做了。……创造一个对抗BETA的究极战斗国家━━就是这么回事了吧』

贝阿特里克斯寻求联合国的庇护是为让史塔西存续下去。但她的目的不是为了权利而是为了制造特化对BETA作战的国家━

━这让他匪夷所思。

「……你是要人们……把我们变成没有感情的机器人吗!?」

『━━是呢。这就是和BETA的生存竞争。要是没了感情就能获胜,就那么做好了』

这算什么━━这超脱了个人欲望想法。

「开什么玩笑!怎么能让这种事发生!这种非人道手段其他国家也不会容许的……」

『━━那是全世界渴望的。苏联自不必说,连美国这样标榜自由的国家肯定也一样』

「你说,什……」

提不出反驳。因为已经预见了答案。贝阿特里克斯说的是正确的,谁都会这么想━━有专门对BETA作战的战斗国家在前行

撑着,自己就不用付出牺牲了。

『━━东德就会成为了拯救人类……拯救这个星球的实验国。━━不觉得不理解的你们才是人类公敌吗?』

提奥多尔觉得贝阿特里克斯应该是微笑着。并且他理解了,贝阿特里克斯是把要其他人都捎上形成究极的自我牺牲━━。

她为了全世界的人,将整个东德国民当作祭品献给造物主━━。

>>14817789
I'm sure half of the fucking BETA were based on genitals anyway considering the hairy parts and all.

File: Soldier_Class_BETA.png (264KB, 537x679px) Image search: [Google]

264KB, 537x679px

>>14817789
I'm afraid so.

>>14817723
>>14817730
Muv Luv stasi have fucking TSF squadrons composed of evil semen demons as their main military arm, run death camps for the infirm or sick, randomly abduct and torture people, and are quite open about it all. I think we've moved away from anything that bears a similarity to the real Stasi.

File: 1475043103673.jpg (97KB, 1115x784px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 1115x784px

>>14817789
Yes.

>>14817759
>>14817792
>Here's the same two passages in the Chink translations. I'm totally willing to listen to counter arguments here too, if you have any.
Sure, you're totally ignoring how Suzy and Theo used civilians as cover as well. The difference is that Beatrix admits it.
>Please convince me that Beatrix is a tragic character
Go read the archives, this has been discussed about ten million times now. If you don't understand how Beatrix could possibly be a tragic character, it's because you lack the critical thinking skills necessary to understand what's going on. If the Japanese figured there was more to Beatrix in 2013 (and you don't need to read the archives for that information, it was already posted in this thread because of guys like you) then there is no reason why people over here can't.
>because all I see is someone whose death was a positive thing
Oh, you're one of those memers. Do you not understand the excerpts you are posting? Because they carry a very different context when compared to the anime. When the author himself says Beatrix isn't particularly wrong, it means that her death doesn't carry and positive or negative connotations, it means her death was in vain. But yeah, clearly her dying was positive when the DDR is destroyed less than 3 months later and Theo turns into the Master.
>>14817809
Most of the DDR's forces are composed of women, the LN and VN show this much more accurately than the anime, which just shows the 666th and Werewolves as female units. The LN and VN Stasi at the very least still have subtlety to their actions, rather than the anime Stasi's bond villain crap.

>>14817759
>>14817792
So Type-94 was right about everything?

We were supposed to feel good and self insert ourselves into Theo as he killed the most evil person possible. This is pretty retarded and is why SM will never equal any of the other spinoffs.

>>14817825
>carry and
any

>>14817831
>So Type-94 was right about everything?
Go read Lise's Requiem and say that again.
>We were supposed to feel good and self insert ourselves into Theo as he killed the most evil person possible
The LN did not portray it as a good thing though. The anime changes things around to make Theo more heroic.

>>14817839
In the LN, the stab is from Beatrix's perspective. She's caught off guard by Theo turning his MiG around and tries to dodge but her MiG is unresponsive:

(急降下攻撃──その技は研究済みだ──!)
(A swooping attack-he researched his technique!)

「それが切り札とはな──見損なったぞ、テオドール・エーベルバッハ!」
"So this is your trump-I misjudged you Theodor Eberbach!"

Then, Theo disables her last arm before hitting her fuselage. They crash into a set of apartments and her MiG is totally dead. She tries to give her MiG a kick, but it won't move and she's stuck there. She can't see anything because of the damage, she can only hear the alarm sirens. She's virtually defenseless. Then Theo coup-de-grace's her.

もつれながらマンションの壁に2機が叩き付けられる。網膜には機体各所が大破したことを示すウィンドと警告音。蹴り飛ばそうとするが機体が反応しない。
『────!』
外部マイクが衛士の獅し子し吼くを拾う。そして自身の胸元に迫る短刀──ベアトリクスはそれを満足気に見つめた。

The two entangled aircraft slammed into the apartment building. From her retinal display and blaring alarms, Beatrix could tell that her aircraft was destroyed. She tried to give her MiG a kick and get it flying, but her aircraft is completely unresponsive.
『────!』(Beatrix freaking out basically)
Then her external microphones began picking up the sound of her machine being rent. She could only stare in resignation/satisfaction as the knife approached her chest.


It's a very slight difference, but extremely important nonetheless. Theo killed Beatrix when she was unable to fight back. He executed her. They also removed Theo's last line to her as she's dying, something that's extremely important to the whole Master=Theo theory.

テオドールは気持ちを落ち着かせるよう深呼吸を繰り返した。そして、吐き捨てるように呟く。
「……社会主義は、宗教を否定しているんじゃ無なかったのかよ」

Theodor breathed deep over and over to calm himself down. And he muttered/spat out:
"...Communism is nothing for it denies religion" (ironically, she's not even really a Communist)

>>14817841
>社会主義は、宗教を否定しているんじゃ無なかったのかよ
>Communism is nothing for it denies religion
Man, anon, you need to work on your moon.

>>14817845
The actual line is
>「……社会主義は、宗教を否定しているんじゃ無なかったのかよ」
>ベアトリクスは、叶えられなかった己の理想を、他の手段で叶えようとする者たちに譲ゆずったのかもしれない──呪のろいの言葉という形を取らせて。

Chinks have the same line in their LNs too:
>「……社会主义,不是否定宗教的吗」
>也许贝阿特里克斯是将自己实现不了的理想让给尝试其他方法去实现的人━━才说的诅咒话语。

Note that in both, Theo says "Communism is nothing for it denies religion/faith" and then continues to curse Beatrix after she dies.

>>14817825
>Sure, you're totally ignoring how Suzy and Theo used civilians as cover as well.
They don't do it in the LN. It's very clearly Beatrix causing most of the civilian causalities while the 666th pull their punches. She's actually a pretty pathetic pilot compared to the anime version. She fires at a crowd of civillians to draw Sylwia out and then shoots her while she's shielding them, then draws Annete and Theo into a residential area knowing that they'll pull their punches as she goes all out on them. When her opponent goes all out, she loses badly. Walther fucks her up despite have an old ass MiG-21, and once Theo decides enough is enough, she gets a knife through her stomach. She's basically a big bully using fear and fucked up tactics to achieve victory.

>If you don't understand how Beatrix could possibly be a tragic character
Her background is kind of tragic, but that's about it. Her death wasn't treated very tragically, and they even hyped it up. It was a standard hero slays villain moment. It was triumphant; you weren't supposed to feel sad about it.

>If the Japanese figured there was more to Beatrix in 2013 (and you don't need to read the archives for that information, it was already posted in this thread because of guys like you) then there is no reason why people over here can't.
Most of them thought she was a lesbian who was obsessed with Irisdina.

>But yeah, clearly her dying was positive when the DDR is destroyed less than 3 months later and Theo turns into the Master.
Deal about Schwarzemarken was that East Germany was beyond saving. No matter what happened, everyone was dead. The only thing they could do is change the amount of people dying, kind of like "triage."

>>14817805
>>14817806
>>14817817
shiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeet

>>14817859
No, he's saying "Weren't socialists were supposed to be atheist?".

>>14817869
>They don't do it in the LN. It's very clearly Beatrix causing most of the civilian causalities while the 666th pull their punches.
Which is why the shilkas that put most of the TSF's on the ground caused the most collateral.
>She's actually a pretty pathetic pilot compared to the anime version
In the finale? Shit anon, that might have something to do with Schmidt sending her out repeatedly with no rest and not letting her MiG-27 get maintenance!
>She fires at a crowd of civillians to draw Sylwia out and then shoots her while she's shielding them
The crowd firing happened after Katia's speech.
>then draws Annete and Theo into a residential area knowing that they'll pull their punches as she goes all out on them. When her opponent goes all out, she loses badly.
No, Beatrix was fighting at a severe handicap and still shot down Annette and nearly took out Theo in a 2v1.
>Walther fucks her up despite have an old ass MiG-21, and once Theo decides enough is enough, she gets a knife through her stomach
I'm sure.
>She's basically a big bully using fear and fucked up tactics to achieve victory.
At that point it was basically over for her, firing on civilians was a last ditch effort because Katia spurned them into action, if your short-term memory recalls, she was arresting people up until that point. Beatrix only turns into a "bully" after Iris is released and her cards are all used.
>Her background is kind of tragic, but that's about it.
I'm sure that's it.
>Her death wasn't treated very tragically, and they even hyped it up.
That has more to do with ixtl being retards, and her death being anticlimatic fits in with the Theodor = Master route.
>It was a standard hero slays villain moment. It was triumphant; you weren't supposed to feel sad about it.
Nope.
>Most of them thought she was a lesbian who was obsessed with Irisdina.
Go read the posts about that in this thread, dipshit.

>>14817869
>Deal about Schwarzemarken was that East Germany was beyond saving.
Before all the best pilots are killed and the military arm of the DDR is essentially annihilated? Not really. The whole point on whether Beatrix was "right" is whether or not she could plausibly maintain the Oder-Neisse Line (at least longer than 3 months), and she plausibly could.
>No matter what happened, everyone was dead.
Did you know there is a lifetime risk of death?
>The only thing they could do is change the amount of people dying, kind of like "triage."
You're right, but you said that after taking the wrong steps to reach that conclusion.

>>14817879
Shit, can you say "burn."

I hope Beatrix was still alive to hear it, because she really deserves that to be the last line she'll hear.

Also, how can anyone say her death wasn't played like an action movie's? There's even a slick one liner comeback from Theo.

>>14817911
>Also, how can anyone say her death wasn't played like an action movie's?
Because they didn't spend a year shitposting on /m/?

>>14817912
"Boy who cried wolf," right?

>>14817911
The fact that the author would write that in and portray her death like that shows that she was nothing more then a bond villain.

>>14817917
Not really, you need to remember that Beatrix hates the DDR, and hates communism. Calling her a commie is like calling John Wayne one.

>>14817930
Theo hates her for everything she isn't. She becomes his stand in for everything the stasi has done to him and Lise, but when he kills her, there's no satisfaction in his revenge to his surprise, only a feeling of emptiness.

呼吸は荒いままで落ち着かない。勝利の実感はない。
His breathing was unsteady and rough. There was no sense of triumph in this.

File: BiS Vol. 1 & 2 covers.jpg (173KB, 708x499px) Image search: [Google]

173KB, 708x499px

>>14817930
Hiroki Uchida must be a idiot, a hack or have gotten cold feet, if he decided to write this afterwards then.

>>14817975
『──その結末を、ヴァルハラで楽しみに、見ているぞ……』
──その言葉を最後に、MiG-27アリゲートルからは何の言葉も発せられなくなった。MiG-27アリゲートルの全身から漏れ出す推進剤と潤滑油が、血のように流れ出し足下の瓦が礫れきの上に染しみを作っていた。
テオドールは気持ちを落ち着かせるよう深呼吸を繰り返した。そして、吐き捨てるように呟く。
「……社会主義は、宗教を否定しているんじゃ無なかったのかよ」

Her relationship with Jurgen was planned since at least 2013.

>>14817954
Theo feels good about it later. He's flippant, rude, and spiteful to her as she dies, but then, she's using her last moments to be a bitch to him. Death is usually given a lot of gravity in Muv-Luv, so it's weird seeing the protagonist wisecrack at another like this, even if she's completely evil. I guess Theo wanted her to know that she was hated and that people would be glad to see her dead in her final moments.

File: 1455948149826.png (159KB, 409x344px) Image search: [Google]

159KB, 409x344px

>>14817988
>Theo feels good about it later.
Hello
> Death is usually given a lot of gravity in Muv-Luv, so it's weird seeing the protagonist wisecrack at another like this
see >>14817986
>even if she's completely evil.
no memes

>>14817995
That's all contradicted by 「……社会主義は、宗教を否定しているんじゃ無なかったのかよ」, the equivalent of Schwarzesneggar or Bond one liner, which makes Beatrix's death more 80s or 90s cheese then Shakespearean tragedy.

>>14818027
>her being implied to have died before his one liner is "contradicted" by his one liner
no

>>14818029
Er no, an action movie one liner can come before or after someone has died, it's still a one liner.

>>14817986
Making the teen version waifubait and the adult version a "none eviler" Bond villain is terrible writing no matter how you spin it. Even if it was always implied in the background, its a terrible decision. If you want to make her redeemable, don't spread some figurative breadcrumbs, give solid, undeniable evidence that there is something more than to her. Sure, from her second appearance on it has been made clear that she wants to hold the line at all costs, no matter if the cost is to bleed the country dry, but her behaviour and her supposed motivation and goal don't fit. Hiroki's approval of the Anime only reinforces that. The man either has his head up his ass or is simply a mediocre writer.

>>14818035
then explain the use of the word contradiction. because whether or not he said it as she was breathing her last or after it makes no sense. she isn't communist or socialist.

theo's ebin one liner was wasted

>>14818027
He's not saying it in a mocking way. He's pitying her.

>>14818039
>Making the teen version waifubait and the adult version a "none eviler" Bond villain is terrible writing no matter how you spin it.
Which is why the first 4 chapters of the LN (Which are translated for your viewing pleasure, by the way) show Beatrix with more personality than the anime ever did. You are conflating the anime's bond depictions with the source material and that is a fatal mistake.
>Even if it was always implied in the background, its a terrible decision.
Not really, when the whole point of SM is that it's in the viewpoint of an unreliable narrator.
>If you want to make her redeemable, don't spread some figurative breadcrumbs, give solid, undeniable evidence that there is something more than to her.
The implications are larger than breadcrumbs.
>Sure, from her second appearance on it has been made clear that she wants to hold the line at all costs, no matter if the cost is to bleed the country dry, but her behaviour and her supposed motivation and goal don't fit
It does. It doesn't when you look at it using the anime's lenses.
>Hiroki's approval of the Anime only reinforces that. The man either has his head up his ass or is simply a mediocre writer.
Hiroki's approval would have more to do with supporting contradictory statements that make the moral ambiguous background of SM more vague.

If there's a problem with his writing, it's less in what you and other complain about and more to do with how SM goes against what Muv Luv is all about, True Love. People like Beatrix and Lise, who are fighting so hard for the person they love, get absolutely shit on, both by the plot and the meta.

>>14818039
He originally planned for SM to be more like Unlimited. The setting was about Ossies and Wessies sharing tactics and learning to work together in a military academy. Irisdina and Beatrix were the main contrasting heroine duo in the draft. Kouki made him trash his first draft and do a more grim rewrite.

His newest story actually recycles the above concept, involving knights who drive magic tanks learning to overcome their differences/nationalism, so he probably wanted to write a more lighthearted story, but was forced by age to write something else.

File: 2016-01-02_23h44_13.jpg (206KB, 1272x717px) Image search: [Google]

206KB, 1272x717px

>>14817975
A character can have a sympathetic backstory without it being played sympathetically, if that makes any sense. Take pic related, who's another douche who the anime does its best to make unlikable despite his sympathetic background.

>>14818067
>Hiroki's approval would have more to do with supporting contradictory statements that make the moral ambiguous background of SM more vague.
He's also supporting ambiguous interpretations because BiS isn't finished yet, so having a concrete answer would spoil things.

File: Hate Filled Glare.jpg (106KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

106KB, 1280x720px

>>14818051
No, he "spat" the line out. He was full of hatred when he said it, not pity.

>>14817589
Why would Walther stop in the middle of a battle with Beatrix to talk to Sylwia? That makes no sense. Is it just Hiroki being a bad author again?

>>14818086
>吐き捨てるように呟く
Wall of text spammer forgot to mention he's mumbling.

>>14818067
>>If there's a problem with his writing, it's less in what you and other complain about and more to do with how SM goes against what Muv Luv is all about, True Love. People like Beatrix and Lise, who are fighting so hard for the person they love, get absolutely shit on, both by the plot and the meta.

What Beatrix and Lise have isn't love, it's obsession.

>>14818120
What is love to you, genius?

>>14818123
I think what Irisdina and Theo had, or Katia love for Theo can be considered closer to true love.

>>14818130
>What is love to you?
>uh iris and uh theo uh

>>14817986
How does this passage prove her relationship with Jurgen?

>>14818151
That was an independent sentence.

>>14818120
>>14818130
You're an idiot. Theo for Iris and katia for Theo was a crush without ever having a deeper understanding of the truth about the person they had a crush on. Beatrix and Lise put their love before themselves time and time again even to their own detriment till it kills them. They are the true loves of SM.

Is it just me or gun TSF are actually the best? If you at least abuse the bug or animation refresh

>>14818575
Melee TSF are typically the most useful, but for dailies and this current event guns are bretty gud

>>14818575
Missile is actually the best cause of obscene skill damage. Machine guns are a good second best, then melee, and then fuck everything else.

>>14818579
>tfw HR gun TSF barely deal damage in the last event mission
>haven't been able to finish it literally because of this
That tank class takes too much time to die and so did the boss, I really need a Technique SR or SSR TSF, this HR isn't cutting for the job.

>>14818590
I use a T HR guns to kill the blues on the left, then I missile AOE the heavy laser class. I then used skills on the big destroyer and the red grapplers. I beat the boss somehow, but I was like 4 seconds after the limit from S-ranking it. I used as many abilities as I could, but mainly a power melee SR with an ssr meiya.

Too much work.

>>14818611
I guess I will just stick to the one I can do, I don't have any good missile TSF or decent friends with it and friend with missile are slow at firing anyway

>>14818706
The trick to missile TSF's is getting a pilot with a strong AOE, and then you use that AOE on a large group of enemies. Kills them dead.

>>14812287
lol

>>14818723
I think the only AoE skill I have is the SR card given in the start.

>>14818788
I think that one has a strong aoe, so it'll do.

File: tfw he doesn't pull out after you told him too.jpg (75KB, 587x472px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 587x472px

>>14817759
>>14817792
So we're still having morality arguments over SM?

It seems as if this fight has been going on since 2012. Did anything in the Trilogy or TE ever produce arguments like this?

>>14818982
Nope, we're still having context arguments and disinfo campaigns.

>Did anything in the Trilogy or TE ever produce arguments like this?
Yeah, waifu wars. Way worse than SM if my memory serves me correctly.

>>14819020
waifufags were a mistake

File: 17844622026300.jpg (256KB, 480x1614px) Image search: [Google]

256KB, 480x1614px

>>14819073
I agree, we should all be husbandofags instead.

>>14819073
He said in a franchise about true love.

Protip: that love isn't about mechas.

File: yuuya shower.jpg (150KB, 640x900px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 640x900px

>>14819081
Yuuya SSR when?

File: 1466008078916.jpg (59KB, 300x300px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 300x300px

>>14819089
Obligatory Yuuya.

>>14819099
Obligatory porked Cryska response.

>>14819099
aibou

File: 1346211013492.jpg (444KB, 1110x1600px) Image search: [Google]

444KB, 1110x1600px

>>14819109

>>14818982
What's happening to that stasi?

>>14819292
poor guro art