What are /m/'s thoughts on Macross Plus?

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Choose you Sharon.

>>14805310
It's not a real macross.

Great animation and music, kind of mediocre story in regards to the triangle part.

>>14805340

Never stuck your dongle in crazy

>>14805310
great animation, cool premise, obnoxious characters.
a few decent songs, but not as much as M7.

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>>14805340

>>14805310
Its shit, like all of Macross.

Pretty good animation and music. Story and characters are terrible.

It's the only Macross that isn't boring shit

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Top notch atmosphere. Sharon Apple is undeniably weak as an antagonist, but the hypnotic and slightly eerie tone of her music really does drive home the effect of a super computer with too much power.

I really wish the series had more to its story beyond the conflict though. Given that Eden was the first colonized planet, I think a lot more attention should have been paid to that since it is a huge triumph.

Overall, definitely one of my favorites.

Information High
Alpha 3

Interesting plot, fantastic mechs, amazing animation, and great background music but weighed down by unlikable characters(no best girl), terrible romantic plot, forgettable songs, and a weak villain.

I love Macross Plus and it inspired me to watch the rest. Yoko Kanno took a pretty good OVA and elevated it to an all-time classic.

>>14805310
Amazing atmosphere, sets up a far more interesting world than the future Macross series portrayed.

Because who needs an interesting sci-fi world when you can have magical idols?

>>14805345
>It's not a real macross.

It's a better Macross than Delta

It's pretty cool, but basically what >>14805346 said.

Close to what I'd consider the worst Macross.

All style over substance, and the action (which in the 20 years since you can find better elsewhere anyway) and music don't save the story and absolutely awful, awful characters

>>14805736
Sure if you're stupid enough to let good animation be enough to consider something better.

I enjoyed it while watching, but I'd be lying if I said I remembered anything from it that wasn't the dogfights.

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Best Macross MC
I know that's not exactly a high bar but still, I like Isamu a lot

YF-19 is love

>>14805821
>I know that's not exactly a high bar but still, I like Isamu a lot
Alto and Basara are better.

>>14805833
Wasn't a fan of Alto
I like Basara's songs but as a character? Eh

>>14805837
Isamu was just a generic cocky Top Gun fighter pilot. Alto had actual character conflict that extended beyond "muh friend raped a gril we both liked", and Basara was more fun and surprisingly un-autistic at times

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>>14805872
For a generic cocky Top Gun fighter pilot he was pretty cool.

Third favorite Macross behind SDF and 7. It is a fun ride and watching both movie and OVA is fun to do.

I would consider it a decent film even outside the conventions of what Macross is "supposed to be".

Ironic, since people who defend Delta say that it isn't a complete departure, but shit on Plus for not strictly following SDF's structure when no Macross really has besides Frontier (which was just 'okay').

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>>14805893
Yes, but cool doesn't mean he's a character with depth.
I just find, in my opinion, that Alto's conflict with his father's expectations and his own wishes to be more compelling.

The YF-19 is pretty sexy, though I find myself leaning towards the YF-21 more, because its the closest to my IRL planefu, the YF-23.

>>14805904
I don't think people shit on Plus, as much as they shit on one particular aspect of Plus.
There's also probably the 4chan contrarianism towards things that are popular in the mainstream.

>>14805904
It's actually not about structure, it's about being part of the larger universe

Plus is a completely irrelevant side story that has nothing to do with Macross beyond the superficial.

Like, Zero isn't a good show, but it still matters more than anything in Plus.

>>14805833
Alto kinda sucks. His attitude never changes, he becomes smarter and still manages to be a one dimensional hot head with only his interaction with Sheryl being a redeeming quality.

That being said, Hikaru and Hayate are also better than Isamu. Hikaru, despite being an idiot, isn't an insensitive douchebag who only cares about planes. He has feelings. Hayate, despite not being as well developed as Hikaru, at least has a change in attitude from loser downer to more cheerful and pleasant. Also he's undeniably the best husbando in Macross.

>>14805938
I don't think that makes it a bad Macross though.
Macross 7: Dyamite has nothing to do with the rest of Macross, and its still incedibly enjoyable.

And anyways, Macross Plus adds to the universe by putting the drone revolution/AI on pause, and by introducing both the VF-19 and VF-22.

Better than delta

>>14805948
The addition of drones might actually ruin plans for future Macross. Kawamori says he might have to focus on drones since it would be unrealistic for pilots to still exist a decade or two after Delta.

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>>14805974
Kawamori, being the massive planefag he is, would know that even the real world drone revolution has humans flying along keeping drones on a leash.

Shit, we've already had that in Frontier and Delta.
Maybe drones with limited AI personalities?

I don't believe for a moment that he'll go full drone though.

>>14805989

He wouldn't, he already made the Dakens in Delta because real life plane designs have gotten boring and homogeneous

>>14805989
>limited AI personalities

I just had a sudden thought in mind. Next Macross OVA will have a love triangle involving pilot man, some women, and cute lovestruck drone AI. The AI will win.....

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>>14805997
>he already made the Dakens in Delta because real life plane designs have gotten boring and homogeneous
I agree.
I wonder what early cold war plane he's gonna riff on next.

>>14805938

What's exactly wrong with that?
Does every series need to be some world-changing shit? If anything it makes it more unrealistic and silly.

I mean look at Delta, apparently the Windies were a huge threat and the NUNS hardly gave a shit. I'm not one who loves gruntwank either.

YOU WILL BELIEVE HEISENBURG FLIES A VALKYRIE

I plan on getting into the series by watch DYRL but what do I watch afterwards?

>>14806180
How hard is it to watch production order?

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>>14806180

Start with SDF or don't fucking bother at all, idiot.

>>14806180

Yeah, don't do that. Start with the original series instead.

I started Macross with DYRL and was disappointed when Minmay lost
Is this unusual?

I prefer Macross Minus.

Cringeworthy normie bait

Fucking awesome, besides Isamu constantly making you want to beat his face in with everything he does.

I don't really like it

3rd worst, above Frontier and Zero

>>14805310
Ok but has a middle thats gets very little accomplished and is pretty boring.

>>14805677
Sci-fi don't sell nowadays. Most people consider it boring.

>>14806003
So, Yukikaze?

>>14805764
...what?

>>14806996
Now if only the super sylph transformed...

>>14806185
>How hard is it to watch production order?

He wants to start with something that has piqued his interest. Is this a crime ?
Fucking /m/-tards.
This ain't school, people are free to pick and choose what they want to watch without any regards to fucking-production-order.

>>14807188
Hackamori and his hack friends would ruin it anyway. Macross needs a new director and a bunch of fucking decent writers holy shit quality of Delta's writing.

Isamu is probably the best protagonist and I think Myung is underrated.

>>14806224
To be fair, if you only knew Macross through all the promotional material then you'd expect Minmay to win. For someone who hadn't seen SDF, it was an interesting turnnof events.

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>>14805377

>>14805677

Eh, besides positing that AIs could gain emotion it doesn't really do anything interesting. Even then it doesn't actually say much about the concept beyond that it could happen. Even the storys "it's a bad idea" conclusion is hard to take with any substance given Sharon was built on the emotions of a pretty bad choice, connected immediately to a huge network and had her limiters removed by a mad scientist so that she was almost pushed to be a villain.

>>14805736

I don't agree. While both Plus and Delta have uninteresting and not particularly satisfying love triangles (though that's true of Macross as a whole really) and I wasn't a fan of the music in each they both had music as a central conceit making them equal. More importantly though, at least Plus remembered it had VFs and didn't just pretend it had planes for 99% of it's run. That alone makes Plus a superior Macross.

>>14805310
amazing. the climax could been handle better.

>>14807209
I cannot comprehend how anyone can enjoy Isamu. All he does is throw fits like a two-year old, over and over and over and over.

>>14805310
French song sucks.

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I fucking love Macross Plus. I feel like iťs the closest the series has come to being true science fiction.

The whole virtual idol thing blew my mind when I realized it predated the whole concept of vocaloids (taken to its logical extreme).

The other bit I liked was the YF21 being controlled entirely by thought.

The whole movie gave me a lot to think about, just as Akira and Ghost in the Shell did. I consider it to be a masterpiece.

>>14805310
Mediocre

>>14809272
You mean it really made you think?

>>14805340
bottom one and short haired oine

>>14805310
>>14805340
I want to make cute bobcut Sharon orgasm!

>>14805908

Alto is a faggot, I just can't like him.

I take a one dimensional waifufag like Hayate, topgun, or hikaru over him any day.

Sharon Apple best idol.

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>>14805310
It's one of my favorite entries in the Macross franchise. Mainly because it's one of the few shows in Macross to actually treat the mecha aspect with respect (ie they don't have some randomer teenager with no combat training who happens to be an expert pilot for the machine he's never used before through space magic or something).

Also, Information High is one of the best tracks in all of Macross.

>>14811113
>Also, Information High is one of the best tracks in all of Macross.

Sure, if your stoned.

>>14811113
By your definition, Macross 7 is the only installment dissing mechs...

>>14811113
Watched it after watching Robotech, first really good macross I watched.

Totally agree with the song.

The part with the pilots was the weaker part, crazy AI and SDF-1 were the best, by far.

>>14805410
Was Sharon really an Apple product?

>>14805310
This is so sexy.

>>14811311
Not really. SDF, Frontier, and Delta all had teenage boy MCs pilot Valkyries out of happenstance. In 7, it was never really explained how Ray came to privately own a VF-19, the circumstances of its heavy customization, and why he gave it to Basara. For Basara himself, all we really know is that he was a musician from a young age, with no explanation on where he got his pilot training (presumably from Ray).

Plus (and Zero) has a reasonable explanation of having adults who joined the military to become pilots and no real instances of space magic involved in their getting a seat in a Valkyrie.

>>14811434
It's not called iSharon or the Apple Sharon, dummy.

allmost as good as SDF

>>14811588

Wait, are you equating happenstance to space magic? And declaring that any non-military use of mechs is degrading to the mechs in some fashion? That certainly seems to be the implication.

Hikaru was a civilian pilot since he was a child and mostly used the fighter mode the first time he got in a VF, only changing to battroid mode to help survive a fall. Even after he'd fallen in to the cockpit he didn't really do anything until he'd joined the military and received training.

Alto similarly had been in a pilot school for several years, all through high school and was familiar with the cockpit mostly because the EX-Gear he'd been training to use for years was the cockpit of VFs as well as the ejection system. And he still got training in combat piloting before he really did anything in battle.

And Hayate was a destroid worker for an unknown time before using a VF, and used to the controls of the battroid mode because they were identical to the controls of a destroid. When he switched to fighter mode he was almost useless and obviously scared as hell. He needed training just to do anything beyond fly in a straight line and even then as soon as the computer aids were switched off he fell out of the sky.

Of them all only Hayate had space magic on his side to learn to pilot and that wasn't involved in getting in the seat of a VF. Like Hikaru and Alto he got in to save a girl, mostly fumbled through the experience despite extended familiarity with part of the operation of a VF and needed training to do more. It was only the part he was experienced with, destroid piloting, that he didn't fumble. The space magic only came in to help him survive and pass the training aspect later, not the initial fight. Which was all training and experience in destroids.

>>14805948
Macross Dynamite 7 at least establishes there are other humanoid races besides Terrans and Zentradi. Zolans having evolved from marsupials. Their planet though Zola is in the middle of nowhere. They don't even have a UN Spacy presence but a militia in the Zola Galaxy Patrol corps.

Kawamori went for an anti-whaling message in this with Galactic Whales being hunted illegally sold to the black market as they can be used as material for space engines.

Plot devices recycled in Macross Frontier with the Vajra and in Macross Delta with Windermereans, Ragnans, and Voldorians. Differences are Vajra aren't passive like the Whales and unlike those races in the Brisingr Globular Cluster the Zolans were at least early 20th century level of technology when the Terrans made first contact with them.

>>14811588
>In 7, it was never really explained how Ray came to privately own a VF-19
Actually it did. Ray was part of Project M. A program trying to repeat the success of Minmay. Hence him saluting to Max. The Project being secret at the time when Gamlin snooped about how Basara got a VF-19 which was new and cutting edge his hard drive was wiped off as a consequence.

At the time UN Spacy though Minmay was a fluke that can't be repeated. Standing orders for uncultured Zentradi fleets were blow them up before they tell anybody else about humans.

Basara's accomplishments were save Protodevlin victims and made the Protodevlin a non-hostile force, tamed a uncultured female Zentradi fleet, and finally made contact with the Galactic Whales proving they are sentient.

>>14805310
I liked it

I actually really like the characters. They feel very real and adult. Their imperfections is what makes them so likable. I can't decide if I like the OVA or movie version more though.

>>14805752
I'm honestly surprised /m/ didn't fall for such obvious bait.

>>14807660
>All he does is throw fits like a two-year old, over and over and over and over.

Real life pilots are prima donnas. At least Isamu has some redeeming qualities unlike them.

>>14805736

Screw you dude, I liked Delta.

>>14820178

The wording suggests he's criticising it less as a basis show and more as a bad entry for the franchise. Though it could be both.

>>14820183

Yeah, I figured.

>>14820178
It's a bad Macross.

>>14820190

Guess I am the only one that takes anime I watch at face value regardless of what series it comes from.

Sad/10.

>>14819989
Movie when?

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>>14805310
like a DC comics "Else-Worlds" graphic novel.
Macross 7 also was kind of like that...

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Is this the best Macross?

>>14820248
>Roboshit
Leave.

>>14805310

Required watching.

>>14820248
>Robotech
I don't know why people shitting on it so much, but i love that kantai'd SDF-1 Minmey.

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>>14820248
>>14822637
why the fuck don't they use newer stuffs for anything?

it's always SDF-1 era

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>>14822679
Because they only have the rights to the original SDF designs.

I actually don't know, but that's my guess.

Seiggy-chan a cute

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>>14822679
They only have the rights for SDF and DYRL designs.

>>14822679

They legally have no rights to anything that wasn't in SDF, and they have no actual artists that can create anything

They revealed a new comic at NYCC. Their art turned out to be 100% traced from Macross sources.

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>>14822637
Not KanColle style, but here's something less objectionable.

>>14805310

Everytime I lose contrMANEUVER TO PREVENT OVERHEATING when re-entering the atmosphere with my SSTOs in KSP, I get an info high!

Dat morphing wing geometry and thrust vectoring on the YF-21 ... Makes me all hot and bothered just thinking about it!

Mac+ is fantastic!

>>14820023
>I'm honestly surprised /m/ didn't fall for such obvious bait.

I posted that, and I assure you it's not bait in the slightest.

>Isamu showing up in Frontier is actually the only reason I finished it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGEJvW6Y6D8

>>14823038
What a spiteful man-child you are.

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>>14823053

>>14823038

I hope you didn't finish the TV show for that. Not that I dislike the TV anime personally, but it'd be pointless if you only cared for the Isamu cameo.

>>14805340
Yes.
>>14805414
Another yes.
>>14806003
Yukikaze then?
>>14807188
There is fanart of SS with VF-1 like transformation. Maeve thou, no luck.
>>14805974
>>14805989
Inertia storage systems plus jamming actually leveled field in Frontier and Delta showed us that modern valkiries eat drones easily. Now, proper full AI wouldn't be vulnerable to jamming at least but still, modern plane, good pilot with some fold hax AND song buffs is still higher spec combination than drones.

>>14822813
>Not Minmey, Misa, Shammy or Global

Dropped

>>14805310
It had maybe two good songs, and villains who just did stuff for no reason other than to force conflict.
Animation was pretty spiffy though

>>14822877
8:05, eh?

>>14823298

The villains were a nerd who just wanted to see how far he could take science and a runaway AI. They did not need extreme depth.

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>>14820248
>>14822679
>>14822805
Its pretty ironic that Macross is their best selling product in their entire production line, but its also what they're most afraid of. Since they only have distribution rights to the outdated footage they purchased from Tatsunoko in the 80s, the most they can get out of it is through merchandising with toys, clothes, and comics. When it comes to actual visual projects (the few that make it as far as the conceptual stage), they completely do a 180 and try to make everything Mospeada related and ignore everything else like nothing's wrong.

When Shadow Chronicles was coming out, there was a heavy concentration on making everything Mospeada including actual toys, and a prequel comic to the movie that pretty much wrote anything remotely Macross out of the story; not just killing off/disappearing characters, but changing the timeline to speed 'decades' ahead so that everyone was aged enough to change their designs. Everyone except Minmay who, despite being a character of interest in the whole book, they wouldn't show her face at all. They even added a Char visor under Breetai's bucket helmet to insure that nobody could recognize him. They even changed up designs that Tatsunoko owns just so they wouldn't have to pay them royalties. It was really hilariously awkward.

>>14824160
>Judge Breetai
Okay, I giggled.