Was Skeptical of Cross-Ange but...

>>14802994
It loses its edge as it goes on and it just becomes plain stupid, right around the time where the literal Kira Yamato expy comes into play is a clear sign of things to come.

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>>14802994
>>>Princess is a whiny cunt
Aha.
AHAHA, you are yet to see the true glory of our lord and saviour Angelise Ikaruga Mitsurugi.
Cross Ange is a stupid show, but you're far more stupid if you actually take it seriously. Cross Ange revels in its sheer campy stupidity.

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>>14802994
enjoy the first half
then it takes a plunge for worse

>>14802994
As said. Those first three episodes are heavy-handed and gory, but 4 onwards things change to a more comedic bent for the most part. It's been compared to Orange Is The New Black but that really only holds true for another 9 or so episodes and then it veers off into Fukuda's Wild Ride with interdimensional hijinks.

Honestly, just stick with it. It's bad, but there's really no way to explain how bad. You just gotta see it to understand.

>>14803373
Second half was better then the first half, mate.

>>14802994
>ecchi shit turns me off
what are you gay?

>>14802994
>ecchi shit turns me off kinda
ewww.... naked women, yuck.

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>>14802994
oh boy quit while your ahead.

>>14803496
Fuck no
>>14803356
>Cross Ange revels in its sheer campy stupidity.
Is that what you call it?

>>14803566
Fuck yes. What does the first half have?

>muh piss fetish
>muh gore
>muh shock factor
>muh fan service

Nope.

>>14803579
While the first have has

>muh Kira Yamato clone
>muh Dragons

And that's it. Its significantly less interesting

First half is funny bad. It has a bunch of stupid shit that is fun to watch. Second half stays stupid but is harder to laugh at and has a lot of boring exposition.
Also the mech fights suck ass.

>>14802994
Ah, Cross Ange. The pinnacle of low hanging fruit.

Nothing but Ecchi, bad jokes, and mindless violence as far as the eye can see.

No really, I wouldn't reccomend Cross Ange to anybody but the most depraved, perverse, unscrupulous watchers.

So naturally I enjoyed the whole thing.

>>14803752
Tusk cucking Embryo and gloating about it to his face automatically makes the second half > the first half.

>>14802994
So yeah I'm already well past the episode that's a literal clone of a Gundam SEED episode, and yeah the gore is kinda lacking now :C

>>14803510
No I just think it's stupid pandering to degenerates when you have a bunch of conveniently lesbian soldier girls in revealing clothing sexually assaulting each other

Yeah, at episode 10 now, it's cheesy as hell but it's fun to watch

Cross Ange is so unabashedly retarded that getting mad at it just exposes you as an idiot. It's like getting upset that Zoolander is stupid.

>>14804242
I gotta say though, I kind of appreciate how they referenced gundam several times what with the RX-78 beam rifle and the Kira Yamato look-alike.

Also anybody else think that the Paramells or whatever the hell those mechs are called look like the Dreads from Vandread? At least Meia Gibson's

>>14804249
>I kind of appreciate how they referenced gundam several times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o30pvk5m0VE

>>14804118
That's like cheering over Kira beating Shinn. Tusk is an incredibly lame character in general.

>>14804242
>Cross Ange is so unabashedly retarded that getting mad at it just exposes you as an idiot
This makes literally no sense. If you're implying that stupid shit can't be bad then you need to get out more.

>>14802994
>mechs impractically designed
Realismcucks fuck off

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>>14804118
>cucking

>>14804264
The joke of this is that Cross Ange isn't stupid, it's a self-aware satire in the same vein as Code Geass, with the main difference being that Cross Ange is even more shameless.

Compare it to Valvrave or Aldnoah Zero which actually take themselves completely seriously, it's a different kind of animal.

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>>14804274
>Valvrave
>actually take themselves completely seriously
No it was just stupid and bad like Cross Ange

>>14804274
If Cross Ange is supposed to be satire, then that almost makes the incredibly slow and boring second half even worse.

>>14802994
>since this ecchi shit turns me off kinda
You're going to love it then because Cross Ange NEVER delivers the goods.

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>>14804274
>The joke of this is that Cross Ange isn't stupid, it's a self-aware satire in the same vein as Code Geass

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>>14804274
>self aware satire

>>14804280
Valvrave season 2 took itself seriously.

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>>14804274
No, it and Valvrave were done by people that had no idea what they were doing.

>>14804302
It and G-Reco, you mean.

>>14804305
G Reco was great though, there's literally not a single thing wrong with it

>Cross Ange thread
>quickly shifts into a "how much can I shitpost about how bad Valvrave is" thread whenever Cross Ange's quality is brought up

At least Valvrave didn't tank Nerima like Fukuda's Fuckup did.

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>>14804274
I don't know about self-aware satire so much as it was Fukuda indulging himself with both eyes open. It wasn't really trying to make a point or anything, just there was stuff he'd always wanted to do that he was getting a chance to, as he said on Twitter. Stuff that even his wife didn't let him do in SEED.

Course he also said "this is about Ange's journey, so the details of how Tusk cheats death aren't important". And more, that it's necessary to handwave it because "In order for her character to evolve, Tusk and Momoka have to be there."

So I'm at the part where Cagali Yula-Ange makes contact with those other people using that song

All you guys are talking about satire and shit and I don't really see it desu

>>14804325
I'll just tell you now, it's about to go full SEED for a bit, and then after that I don't even know what to compare it to.

>>14804328
>Vivian turns out to be a tumblrina Dragon-kin
>Gundam SEED

dude this just went the opposite of SEED wtf

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>>14804329
You'll see.

>>14804263
>That's like cheering over Kira beating Shinn.
No, it isn't.

>>14804329
>Kira is suddenly a newtype
>I don't mean Coordinator with the Seed factor, I mean a newtype ON TOP OF THAT

Oh wait that's Destiny

>>14804344
Wasn't Mu La Flaga clasified as a Newtype in some official gundam material somewhere even though he's from CE and is a Natural?

>>14804302
Clearly you did not understand Cross Ange. It was highly satirical and completely self-aware. Fukuda even gave the Vilkiss the Strike Freedom colors and Salako's ragnamsail Justice's colors, and the blatant mockery of Kira surviving explosions. How could you even think the absurdly hyper-macho women at Arzenal were meant to be taken seriously?

It's not just that you didn't get the joke, you didn't even grasp that it WAS a joke.

>>14804353
Are you implying that Amuro et al were genetically modified?

>>14804353
The G-Gen games do and they're using Gundam Canon to weld things so I'd assume so. Not to mention Seed had Mu and eventually Kira have a few legit Newtype Flashes here and there, with the same sound effect and look.

Interestingly, both Quatre and George de Sand are classified as Newtypes as well.

>>14803869
>First half is funny bad. It has a bunch of stupid shit that is fun to watch. Second half stays stupid but is harder to laugh at and has a lot of boring exposition. Also the mech fights suck ass.


True and true.
But the value of Cross Ange is in the characters. They make the show, and frankly speaking I can't think of any anime character that's as cool as Princess Angelise Ikaruga Mitsurugi.

>>14804397
Yeah she does become pretty badass later but I wish they would have at least shown her training or something because she's suddenly good at combat out of nowhere between the episode where the recruits get killed and she cuts her hair

>>14804378
Lol, Quatre
I honestly can't grasp what Quatre's part in the Gundam Wing story was, even his Sandrock Gundam didn't have anything special about it beyond being made of Gundamium and being conditioned to work in the desert which is a moot feature considering Gundam Wing took place on a global scale

Like, his primary armaments for Sandrock are an SMG and a pair of heat blades which he barely even uses because he's always being a fifth wheel to the rest of the Gundam pilots

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>>14804321
>It wasn't really trying to make a point or anything
Didn't he said that Embryo's character was suppose to be a representation of waifufags?

>>14804397
>But the value of Cross Ange is in the characters
You mean how most of them don't develop and aren't memorable at all?
>and frankly speaking I can't think of any anime character that's as cool as Princess Angelise Ikaruga Mitsurugi.
Then you need to watch more anime.

>>14804418
>even his Sandrock Gundam didn't have anything special about it beyond being made of Gundamium and being conditioned to work in the desert which is a moot feature considering Gundam Wing took place on a global scale

A lot of the crossovers tend to paint Sandrock in a tank-ish light, with larger than average defense stats and support skills despite being very little of both in the show. It's hard to say if this was the intent or it was added later because the devs came to the same conclusion as the fans, but either way it's what they're sticking with now. The Glory of the Defeated manga plays this up more with extra armor.

>>14804540
Hmm, yeah that would make sense then.


HOLY SHIT I'm at the part where the Normies start fighting the empire fleet and the empire is using those rotating disc sawblade drones
THIS IS LITERALLY GUNDAM F91
I FUCKING LOVE GUNDAM F91

>>14804328
Ok now I believe you, they just turned on the lights to some old hotel that was literally named "Mu La Flaga"

>>14805131
CA in a nutshell
>stupid Fukudaisms
>make some sort of shoutout to a Sunrise property
>rinse and repeat until you have an episode

It's like Fukuda's attempt at making Sgt. Frog or some shit.

>>14804353
>some official gundam material somewhere
You mean when the director stated that Mwu and Rau are newtypes?
Or were the repeated newtype noises and really overt newtype flashes and Mwu and Rau sesing each other all the time not enough of a hint for you?
You did watch the show, right?

>>14805131
You didn't believe it when suddenly an evil naval fleet of the world government showed up, under the command of a psychotic prettyboy, and attacks the island our heroes are on, and they had to fight a losing battle for survival, only for the protag to show up in an upgraded (well, unlocked in this case) mech? Or when her best frenemy tried to stop her bullshit, only to get their mech diced and fall in the sea? Or when the island ended up lost anyway, and our hero's allies escaped it on a magical spaceship that can pull submarine duty? Or when the prettyboy gets screwed over by the (Rau-voiced) even bigger bad?

>>14804358
Don't forget the game screen with Haruto and Slaine on it.
It could've been any cameo and it were the characters from the two most recent mecha trainwrecks.

>>14805404
>Slaine

Eyy fuccboi, even if it was it's still proof that Fuckface had to steal from other, better made shows to pad out for the lack of content in his shitfest.

>>14802994
>ecchi shit turns me off kinda
FUCKING NORMAS, GET OFF MY CONTINENT.

>>14805209
Well I noticed but I didn't think that was actually indicative of Newtype-ness, because after all Rau is a clone of Al Da Flaga so I thought that it was some kind of "familial psychic link" that enabled that, and that they were just referencing the newtype stuff from UC because psssh, newtypes in CE? comeon
I still don't believe that they are "canon" newtypes

Cross Ange is literally Gundam Seed, just replace any mention of Tusk with Kira, because, well, he literally is kira, Ange with Cagali and Embryo with Rau and watch cross Ange turn into a gundam incest fantasy.

>>14805801
Nah, Kira is a little shit who thinks he's really badass for the most of the series and a super idealistic tryhard from the end of SEED onwards through Destiny, whereas Tusk just looks like Kira and is awkward around Ange, is very modest and doesn't really have any kind of rage except for the death of his parents who he doesn't whine about all the time

Can someone post the text of the apology letter?

>>14805415
Do you think being a sissy and taking cock up the ass has negatively impacted the way you express yourself on a day to day basis?

So this whole time I've been watching the dub, and at first I thought the girl's boobs were just being drawn in a way that they could get away with not drawing the nipples but the more I watched the more I realized that it was actually drawn out lol

I went over to watch the sub on Kiss Anime and it's even MORE censored lmao

>>14804286
Well actually, Ange and Tusk just consummated and I'm okay with that

>>14802994

>this got into SRW
>not another Gun x Sword

Me mad.

>>14804285
No, I think the second half is where the satire really picks up. It's kind of subtle but you can definitely tell. The most obvious is when Tusk and Momoka appear to have died very definitively in the same episode and manage to come back through plot armor that even the characters seem to acknowledge subtly.
Like when Embryo asks Tusk, "You again? How did you survive?" and Tusk just says "I'M ANGE'S KNIGHT LOL"
It's pretty obvious that it's self aware by this point but they don't tell you outright

>>14803391
>It's bad, but there's really no way to explain how bad
Easy. It's entertainingly bad, which in a way is a quality in itself.

OP Here, welp, I finished it.
It was actually fairly good considering how I initially went into it expecting Holy Knight levels of cringe, there were of course a lot of things that seemed kind of forced but as far as the story goes I can't say I've really ever seen anything like it.
The thing that I liked most about Cross Ange is the folk songs they made for it and wrote into the plot, and how they were also written to be sung on top of one another. It was kind of cheesy to have the actual songs play during the parts where the songs were used instead of just recording the singing by itself but nevertheless, the music's probably what I'm gonna remember about this series.

>>14806548
Also the romance subplot was really good by japanese anime standards, it felt like the relationship was actually BUILT instead of just slapped on because romance, like in Ayashi no Ceres or even 08th MS Team (don't get me wrong I still think 08th is best gundam)

>>14805757
>I still don't believe that they are "canon" newtypes
The director said they are, so....

>>14806588
Well fuck me, what is the "Newtype" anyways in terms of its relevance to the metaseries as a whole

>>14806548
>>14806550
So OP confirmed for having shit taste or for being a retard?
>>>14806550
>Also the romance subplot was really good by japanese anime standards, it felt like the relationship was actually BUILT instead of just slapped on because romance, like in Ayashi no Ceres or even 08th MS Team (don't get me wrong I still think 08th is best gundam)
Both.

>>14806594
nah you're just a nigger

>>14804274
>unironically liking retarded things you believe are ironic
This is why people on this board like Tomino so much. They take horribly written shows as intelligent commentary. Stupidity being good if it's memable enough.

>>14806594
Yeah, what >>14806622 said. You're pretty much a nigger.

>>14806622
>>14806664
Great argument
>>14806662
>Tomino
>ironic
Found the retard

>>14806589
Psychic autists who can feel other peoples souls or some shit like that, basically.

Gundam X had them too you know

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>>14806589
>Newtypes

>>14804313
Valvrave bombed harder than Buddy Complex. Also Ange had better sales.

>>14806799
>Valvrave bombed harder than Buddy Complex.
It didn't

>>14806691
Doesn't require one. You're just a pleb.

>>14806805
It did though. It's sales were terrible, all merchandise was canceled, and everyone dropped it when it finished and never wanted to go back to it.

>>14806831
You mean G-Rekt.

>>14807021
No I mean Valvrape.

>>14804229
there's difference between being turned off and being annoyed

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>>14807031
G-Rekt.

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>>14804274
Code Geass was a drama, the expressions is what gives it away. The second season kinda drops the ball but the ending ties everything up neatly.

A/Z is a sci-fi story with a side of political thriller. It's main problem is that the marketting promised the next gundam and got a decent but hardly exceptional anime.

Valvrave had tried to add an element of horror to the mecha anime formula but not only botched the formula but didn't get the horror right. Instead of a heroic tale of the founding of a great nation we've got the story of a bunch of unlikable brats that are in way over their heads and don't even know it.

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>>14807241
>got a decent but hardly exceptional anime.

Here's your (you)

>>14807304
Okay...

Why?

>>14807696

Because you can't rebel against the hivemind and like things.

>>14807712
But I can turn the hivemind against itself.

Hell, starting a flamewar on 4chan is easy. Just asking nicely.

Anyhow, most of the complaints about A/Z boil down to either not paying attention or not understanding the context. Not surprising since very few people have an interest in medieval politics and physics.

As a result, the valid complaints about undeveloped minor characters and dreary art style are mostly ignored.

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>>14807739

>>14804321
Tusk's survival is easy. The Ragnamail are essentially powered by meme magic right? The Vilkiss pulled him from the explosion into spacetime and reversed his timeline slightly to heal his wounds, then dropped him off for Ange.

>>14807739
>>But I can turn the hivemind against itself.
But you really can't. You can say its decent and at most people will laugh at you for your immense shit taste. You can actually bring up a point and hope nobody destroys it making you look like a jackass for defending a poorly written and poorly done show or you can drop the act of contrarianism now.

>>14807825
Nice fanfiction

>>14807241
>Code Grass was a drama

No it wasn't.

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Didn't they hold a vote with the staff or some shit after killing Tusk to decide whether or not to bring him back?

I can't remember the specifics but I thought it was hilarious when I read it.

Normally to me undoing a death with no foreshadowing is the worst sin you can commit as a writer but when he came back I just couldn't stop laughing, even though I hated the prick and wanted him dead.

He made up for it later with his interactions with Embryo though. That shit was great.

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>>14807939
>It's okay when Cross Ange does it

Jesus Christ if only /m/ was this forgiving towards Gundam SEED Destiny.

>>14807981
>/m/

A few tasteless retards =/= /m/

>>14807981
Nah it's just that by that point I had completely stopped caring about the quality of the story and writing, possibly because I could tell the writer's didn't care either.

>>14804118
>people still fanboying Tusk
They're like self-inserters or something

>>14807712
>>14807696
>>14807739
A/Z has been picked apart to hell from it's terrible characters, it's wish fulfillment protagonist, the irony of it trying to take itself seriously while being mired in ridiculous silly events and inaccuracies, having severe A-1 face and for having really flashy but stupid fight scenes.

You'd have a harder time defending it as being acceptable. Yeah, maybe it's not as bad as the absolute dregs, but for something with a budget and supposedly talented people behind it, it's amazingly unimpressive.

It was so joyless it was actually worse than Argevollen, a flawed but unpretentious show, which aired in the same season.

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>>14802994
Man by the 9th episode it was getting good, but then the second half came and it went FULL Destiny
Also, thanks for reminding me this show exists and Hilda didn't win the Angebowl!
Fuck you Fukuda and your shitty self-insert characters.

>>14807939
I still find it hilarious that basically the world ended, a lot of people were either dead or trapped in post-apocolyptic hell world, and Ange not only ignores all this to open a pretty pretty cafe, -she takes the bridge bunnies ignored almost the entire show- with her, and not a single other person from Arzenal.

>>14810005
>A/Z has been picked apart to hell from it's terrible characters
I think Slaine made a pretty good Count of Monte Cristo expy.

>it's wish fulfillment protagonist
Inaho didn't get the girl. That pretty much disqualifies him as a wish fulfillment protag.

>the irony of it trying to take itself seriously while being mired in ridiculous silly events and inaccuracies

The politics is mostly bog standard for feudal systems and the science is mostly solid if you accept aldnoah drives.

>for having really flashy but stupid fight scenes.
I'd say the fights aren't flashy enough. I mean, nobody is screaming their techniques out loud and the color scheme is mostly whites and greys

> but for something with a budget and supposedly talented people behind it, it's amazingly unimpressive.

Ah, and here's the real issue. The marketing.

>>14807939
>dat fucking dog

>>14810702
>I think Slaine made a pretty good Count of Monte Cristo expy.
There characters have nothing in common nor was that the intention of the creator. So you've pretty much failed the basis of understanding the MC of the show you're defending. Wew lad.

>The politics is mostly bog standard for feudal systems
This isn't even a defense. Forgetting the fact that the politics in place doesn't really get much focus at all and the trials in play are more personal than political based entirly on "he said she said" and to further proof how much this show cares about "politics" the biggest key player shows up out of nowhere in the last two episodes.

>the science is mostly solid
Wind in space. Among other mishaps of science is the mechanism of the Kats and the most blatant disregard towards "how things work" being summarized as "its magic I don't have to explain shit".
>I'd say the fights aren't flashy enough
You say this in a show that has mechs with abilities like duplication and seeing into the future being put into play along with "epic" space battles and a one man army essentially doing what many grunts couldn't do because they were stuck on the ground for whatever reason complete with an obnoxious soundtrack playing in the background. Uh-huh right.
>The marketing.
You can sell anyone a piece of shit but its not gonna change the fact that the product is ultimately just a piece of shit. I mean no marketing campaign is going to be honest about the quality of the show because the whole point is to sucker retards like you into buying it. They did their job so you can't blame the quality of the show based on how it was pushed.

>>14802994
That's the highlight, it is all downhill from here.

>>14807241
>A/Z
>decent.

>>14810818
>There characters have nothing in common
What, somebody using a friend in order to get power to take revenge?

> nor was that the intention of the creator.
Unless there was an interview I didn't know about there's nothing to prove this.

>Wind in space.
Misnomer, actually referred to as gravitational distortion by the smarter characters. Caused by the hyperspace gate collapse. Entirely possible if the gate used dark matter to function.

>You say this in a show that has mechs with abilities like duplication and seeing into the future being put into play along with "epic" space battles and a one man army essentially doing what many grunts couldn't do because they were stuck on the ground for whatever reason complete with an obnoxious soundtrack playing in the background. Uh-huh right.

Hang on, I've got to take a minute to parse this.

>You say this in a show that has mechs with abilities like duplication and seeing into the future being put into play
Yes, and said mecha were defeated by chemically powered fire arms and melee attacks.

> a one man army essentially doing what many grunts couldn't do because they were stuck on the ground for whatever reason

Actually, the OK were one man armies because of the aldnoah drives. Inaho got away with that by being clever at taking advantage of the orbital knight's lack of military prowess.

>with an obnoxious soundtrack playing in the background.
I actually liked the soundtrack. Hell, I still listen to aLIEs. I suppose your entitled to your opinion but that does suggest that the soundtrack is subjective.

>>14810260
Cafe Ange is the best.

Just the best.

>>14810260
isn't Hilda in the one in the bear suit too?

>>14805404
>the game screen with Haruto and Slaine on it.
wait wat,
care to post that one?

>>14810904
I assume so.

She made it pretty clear when she tongue fucked her that her relationship with Tusk didn't mean she was abandoning her.

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>>14810885
>What, somebody using a friend in order to get power to take revenge?
But Slaine wasn't after revenge to begin with so....what exactly is the connection? The Count main goal was to seek revenge to those tgat betrayed him, Slaine wanted to end the war the best way possible knowing the repercussions. Yep totally simular.
>Unless there was an interview I didn't know about there's nothing to prove this.
As much as there's proof of your Monty Cristo wven the original conception of his character was also nothing like The Count so that's really your baseless opinion.
>Entirely possible if the gate used dark matter to function.
Except that wasn't the case also improbable
>Yes, and said mecha were defeated by chemically powered fire arms and melee attacks.

And that doesn't disprove anything I said because essentially to how its dealt witg is considerably more improbably to how its unveiled.
>the OK were one man armies because of the aldnoah drives.
Talking about Inaho here but you've pretty much conceded by writing it off as lol aldnoah drives. So much for science.

>Inaho got away with that by being clever at taking advantage of the orbital knight's lack of military prowess.

Well no because the solutions don't really make much sense and theyre always the result of the enemies own stupidity than being clever. Also they pretty much stopped trying as they went on hence why Inaho was smart enough to make an automated A.I. in his eye...how you may asked? Science, don't have to explain shit.
>I actually liked the soundtrack
Well that's just your shit taste but the music direction here was also bad in itself but that can't really excuse a weak soundtrack that's just a copy pasta of another copy pasta of another with no real identity of its own. Represents the writing quite well.

>>14811154
Wew lad, got enough buzzwords and NO U in there?

>>14810702
>I think Slaine made a pretty good Count of Monte Cristo expy.
He totally isn't. His goal isn't even explicitly revenge, with the exception that he explicitly states revenge against his lord, but is actually doing it for his greater goal, which is simply to create the world his princess wants. Everything he does is for the princess. Unlike Dantes who goes too far for simple personal vengeance and then backtracks slaine goes as far as he can to wreck the martian and earth forces even after the princess gets pissy. So not only are you explicitly wrong, but slaine, while better than inaho, is one of the examples of very bad characterization which might be part of the narrative, but to the audience it makes him hard to be likable. Personally I liked him because his character made it easy for that shitfest plot to spin out of control every episode.
>Inaho didn't get the girl. That pretty much disqualifies him as a wish fulfillment protag.
>I don't know what wish fulfillment means: the post
Inaho is an autist surrounded by cute girls who all like him and everyone praises him for being the most intelligent for knowing basic science facts and being the only person who can fight aliens properly on the entire planet. He's also a super skilled pilot. Even Lelouche's character was tempered by being a shitty pilot.

>The politics is mostly bog standard for feudal systems and the science is mostly solid if you accept aldnoah drives.
I don't remember saying anything about the politics which are so basic they're not worth mentioning (except for the obvious inaccuracy of Martians born on earth and their children somehow believing they are a different race than earthlings, when according to the timeline they themselves are fucking earthlings), but no, the science isn't good.

>>14811520
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For everything we get about rayleigh scattering, superheated explosions underwater, quantum robots, and all sorts of science facts or aldnoah handwaving we also get shit like ray sniping Ms. Fists out of the back of the deucalion (which is bad from a writing standpoint because she shouldn't even be in a mech, she's on record as being untrained, and it should be part of Mr. PTSD's recovery arc instead, which flounders dead in the water), fists are a single molecule (whatever, dude), Deucalion crashing into the orbital fortress barely any worse for the wear, inaho's robotic eye that almost does nothing, the I-don't-know-how-gravity-works space wind BS, and less specifically the entire second season's plot escalation that felt like HAPPENING one-upmanship every other episode.

I'd say the fights aren't flashy enough.
The fucking orbital knights have conceptually ridiculous abilities and are pretty flashy. That aside, the flashines comes from the erratic shitty editing and the belief that lots of purple, green, and orange lights constitute a good fight scene. They are very flashy in a hollywood style. Oh and hack Sawano insert music, gotta have that shitty Sawano music blaring even though there's maybe one good song on the OST and it sounds like his earlier work anyway.

>Ah, and here's the real issue.
No? I don't go into shows with the expectation they will be good. I ignore almost all showrunner hype and marketing. Aldnoah is bad on its own merits. If anything the second season is much more tolerable for being a trainwreck that you can laugh at. The first season was not only bad, but it was pretentious and insulting. It literally angered me. Shows don't usually make me mad, but this one did.