Why do people like Gundam 00 and shit on SEED?

no u

>>14792183
no
u

>>14792145
>I had to stop watching after episode 9 just because of how fucking idealistic
Well then I'll spoiler it for you.
The plan was to make themselves an enemy of the entire world by doing those interventions, because that would cause the world to unite against a common enemy (the Gundam meisters) instead of being fragmented into squabbling empires.
They weren't trying to force an end to war, they were picking a fight with the whole world with the intention of losing that fight to a world that was better off for having gained solidarity.

>>14792145
As a fan of both 00 and SEED, I also never understood the unending torrent of shit that SEED gets. I am in the middle of watching 00 for the second time, and after that I will probably start my 3rd viewing of SEED. I actually like the "Gundam MEISTERS" trope because like so many other Gundam series, these pilots are in THE most powerful mobile suits, and its cool that instead of having to be coaxed into fighting they have already accepted that this is their plan, and that they are going to use this huge advantage they have to do their best to change the world.

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>>14792145
>stop watching after episode 9
>crap gets in the movie; that was terrible

So you watched to episode 9 of the first season, and then skipped to the movie?

>>14792239
This.

The sad thing is that there are people who watch the entire show and still don't pick up on that.

>>14792355
Yeah. I mean, OP calls 00's version idealistic yet he's comparing it to SEED. CB, on paper, are no different from what Kira intends to do at the end of Destiny. It's even brought up in-show that they go for disabling shots most of the time. Destiny portrays it as great that Kira is going to stop all fighting regardless of cause, 00 is more what would happen if someone were to give it a shot.

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>>14792309
>I also never understood the unending torrent of shit that SEED gets
>The first quarter of the series is an unoriginal rehash of 0079
>Ugly sameface character designs
>Ugly mecha designs
>bad battle choreography
>stock footage for days
>Unnecessary amount of the runtime is dedicated to pointless flashbacks
>Recap episodes!
>"Pacifist" protagonist gets loads of people killed
>Dead protagonist comes back to life twice
>Most of the script is just characters saying each other's names

There's a lot more problems with the plot and characters but I'm not cunning enough of a linguist to go into detail about it.

>>14792425
I will admit the reuse of footage is annoying, but recap episodes can just be skipped. I never had a problem with the character or mecha design but that is kinda subjective. Most of the other stuff never really bothered me. I would never in a million years say that it is the BEST Gundam but it definitely has a reputation for being the WORST which I think is undeserved.

>>14792145
>whereas 00 I had to stop watching after episode 9
>And don't even get me started on how stupid the whole "Mutual understanding with an alien hivemind" crap gets in the movie

I'm afraid you're retarded.

You know you should actually finish shows before wondering why people like them right?

>>14792425
>>The first quarter of the series is an unoriginal rehash of 0079

These days this is considered praiseworthy because it means SEED didn't try to risk stumbling on its face doing something original.

>>14792418
Yeah, at the end of DESTINY. I hate Destiny for the same reason I hate 00.

>>14792439
>but it definitely has a reputation for being the WORST which I think is undeserved.
No, SEED has a reputation for not being that good. Destiny has the title of worst

>>14792447
I always think of them as one unit.

>>14792440
I finished the movie and it was a massive waste of time, why should I finish 00?

>>14792458
Everything about the series is better than the movie. I said earlier that I am rewatching it rn but I am definitely not going to take the time to watch the movie.

>>14792145
>just because of how fucking idealistic they have to get with their "oh we wanna stop wars and shit" message.

But that didn't work tho

>>14792458
You're supposed to finish the series before watching the movie, you fucking dope.

>>14792342
No, I didn't just immediately skip to the movie. I watched the movie because I had just finished Gundam IBO + rewatched Gundam F91 and was looking for something else to watch. Saw the 00 movie, thought "well the show was unbearable but I suppose I'll give the universe another chance" and it was actually OK until Setsuna decides to become a character comparable to what many SEED detractors would call "Jesus-Yamato".

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>>14792458
>>14792473

>>14792483

>Setsuna spends 50 years using a super advanced computer and Tieria helping him in order to negotiate peace with the ELS
>Comparing those feats to Kira's shit

Wew lad

>>14792473
I don't think you should have to watch supporting material to enjoy a film or series that more or less is a new story and not just a "second season".
You didn't have to know much about Gundam ZZ to watch Unicorn did you?

>>14792483
You're an idiot OP.

Guys can someone answer me, I watched CCA for my first taste of gundam to see if I'd like it and both the main characters died, cool.
So I started watching 0079 and now all of a sudden they're both alive again?!?!?
What kind of crappy writing is this? And the mobile suits looked like toys and couldn't even use funnels or psycho frames, and then Amuro started acting like he had no idea what a newtype was even though he stopped a colony with newtype magic!
I figured maybe it was some weird flashback, so I then watched the third 0079 movie and everyone was still alive and I'm pretty sure they went back to the meteorite that burned in the atmosphere? Can anyone explain what's going on, this is crazy!!!

>>14792525
The movie was the finale. It wasn't a new story, first contact was what the entire TV show was building up to.

>>14792525
Honestly I am super bothered going into something having not seen all the supporting material. I know this makes me a bad boy but I actually haven't watched any UC material because I didn't make it all the way through the original Gundamuuuu

>>14792525
The movie is a direct sequel to the TV series, and wraps up every remaining plot and thematic point. Watching it without finishing the TV series is like skipping straight to Return of the Jedi and complaining about not knowing plot and characters because you didn't even finish A New Hope. Your opinion is invalid without the complete picture.

>>14792529
no u

>>14792546
Well, I think that a lot of the stories don't need any "supporting material" other than a basic understanding of the tech that powers the crap in it.
08th MS Team happens concurrently with the original show but you don't need to know much about original Gundamu to get it.
Even something like Unicorn which goes into stuff relating to Char's Counter Attack manages to give you the basics of what it was supposed to be, and you didn't really need to know about CCA to enjoy Unicorn.
F91 can be watched without watching Unicorn, Crossbone can be read without watching F91, and Victory can be watched without reading Crossbone Ghost.
War in the Pocket also happens concurrently with original Gundamu but again, the story is almost entirely disjointed from it. I think you can take a risk and at least watch some of the stories like Thunderbolt, War in the Pocket since they're not part of the overarching Amuro vs Char crap.

>>14792569
Alright fine jeez, I had a misunderstanding looking at Trailblazer thinking it was like a Destiny-type thing in terms of its relation to the original story. I'll try picking up 00 again just to see it through I suppose.

>>14792487
Out of morbid curiosity what is this from?

>>14792618
Fuck if I know. I just saved it as a reaction image. Sorry bro.

>>14792618
G Gundam, aka the best part of your childhood.

>>14792618
>not recognizing G Gundam

>>14792641
I forgot about G gundam, the only ones I remember from childhood are 08th, SEED, and Wing. I remember watching G but all I really cared about was just watching God gundam do that ring thing.

>>14792445
>Yeah, at the end of DESTINY. I hate Destiny for the same reason I hate 00.
And again, in 00 it becomes clear that Celestial Being are meant to be the bad guys in the scenario. A bunch of terrorists who humanity will unite against, with their corpses serving as the foundation of humanity's future. It's not idealistic, they're sacrifices in the name of the plan..

>>14792659
The only way that would work is if they prolonged the conflict into infinity. If their plan was to be sacrifices in this struggle to unite humanity then the endgame isn't so different from what has happened in human history every single time there has been any kind of unification against a common enemy. The Crusades happened as many Western countries decided it was time to push back against the encroaching middle east. After some time they were right back to fighting amongst each other. It IS idealistic.

>>14792641
>>14792637
The first time I saw G Gundam was when a friend showed me a clip (after finding out I had just started getting into the franchise) where Devil gundam explodes after being defeated and God gundam comes riding out on a robo horse like that somehow makes sense. Later on a saw a clip where a man drop kicks a building to the ground and I sorta realized that it wasn't the series for me.

>00 is based on the cheesy Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz what with the "Preventers" and shit.

So why do people think this? Why hate 00 for wanting to stop wars when the TSA in SEED does the same thing in a less subtle, interesting way?

>>14792145

00 is prettier.

That's literally it.

You guys argue about plot and in two well animated series that might matter, but the fact of the matter is 00 has decent animation and pretty fights, while Seed and especially Destiny has clip shows stock footage and eipsodes of characters standing around doing nothing.

It's people love Unicorn, despite it's total shit plot, because it's so beautifully animated.

This is a visual medium. Good visuals will get praise all the time.

>>14792659
>>14792692
I think you aren't fully understanding Schenberg's plan. He is showing the divided Earth that they can't take their petty disputes into space with them, or they risk a force with vastly superior tech, like the Gundams, coming and annihilating their shit. The series is like their trial run, learning how not to get wrecked, and the movie serves as the payoff, humanity learns its lesson and succeeds. I don't think the idea is that humanity can unite forever without war, but that it must be able to unite when necessary.

>Go here:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/23259/Gundam__G_no_Reconguista/stats&m=all#members
>Go to list of anyone who gave it a low score
>All huge 00 fags

Is it time to admit that 00 is the current biggest cancer within the Western Gundam fanbase?

>>14792716
The TSA only forms late into the story so its importance isn't super over stressed until like, Destiny

>>14792418
>It's even brought up in-show that they go for disabling shots most of the time.
Pretty damn sure that's not accurate. I just rewatched 00 a few months back, they almost always completely destroy whatever suit they attack.

>Destiny portrays it as great that Kira is going to stop all fighting regardless of cause
Also not accurate, Destiny portrays it as a selfish and harmful behavior that gets people killed

>>14792773
He meant that Kira always goes for disabling shots in SEED

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Its seriously amazing how many of the poeple who keep saying Seed is better than 00 have not fucking watched 1/3 of the first fucking season of 00

>>14792773
Season 1 recap. The Trinities bring it up, saying it would be better for CB if they killed pilots before they became skilled enough to pose a threat. They made it sound like CB was only doing it in order to make them look good.

>>14792786
It's seriously amazing how your ears haven't bled from hearing the term "Gundam Meisters" over and over again
>Its seriously amazing how many of the poeple who keep saying Seed is better than 00 have not fucking watched 1/3 of the first fucking season of 00
Pretty sure that only applies to me

>>14792795
>It's seriously amazing how your ears haven't bled from hearing the term "Gundam Meisters" over and over again
I guess you must be already deaf from hearing ASSRAM KIRAAA at full blast during both Seed and Destiny then

>>14792789
You sure they weren't talking about making preemptive strikes on the world's militaries, like the Thrones do?

>>14792798
I watched the dub

>>14792805
>dubfag

>>14792809
>sub-faggeru

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>>14792805

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>>14792805
Seedfags stupidity truly knows no bounds holy fucking shit

>>14792809
>>14792819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWjfbUfcJUM

>>14792825
At least we didn't watch the fucktarded version that had this bullshit >>14792824 you shrieking nigger

>>14792824

says the p00p fag

>>14792824
Who watches the CN version anyways wtf

>>14792804
> In other words, their style's just a little too soft for the job. Besides, I don't like their silly habit of not killing the enemy pilots they fight unless the absolutely have to. It would only help us in the long run if the number of experienced pilots out there were reduced, don't you agree Yohan?

>Don't be so hard on them Michael. They're just more concerned about how the public perceives them.

> That's my point. That's what makes them so soft. First they pick a fight with the whole world then they're worried about hurting everyone's feelings.

>>14792849
You did

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>>14792832
Shit you've got me... If only there were releases out there that had both languages for audio, and used the Japanese video...

Get out of here, you fucking bitch. You used-up slut.

4chan Pass user since February 2015.

>>14792855
No I didn't
>>14792856
I watched the version that looked like this and was also a dub on Kiss animemes or some crap

>>14792856
Do you want to know how I know you're not the same guy?

>>14792853
Still skeptical, sorry anon. They don't seem to be holding back when they cut suits in half, or snipe them right through the cockpit, or use their claw to pierce the cockpit, or completely disintegrate enemy suits with a fuckhuge beam.

Maybe it's like Batman v. Superman, where they say "Oh but nobody died, everybody evacuated the city that just got destroyed". Only this time, the pilots ejected just in time.

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>>14792145

>>14792863
What are you implying

>>14792865
I think the Thrones might have been talking about pilots like Aker and the Bear, CB allowed them to survive when they engaged them

>>14792872
Well, I got some bites so I'm not complaining

>>14792873
He's talking about 4chan pass

>>14792875
But it can be turned on and off at will. Is he a dumb?

4chan Pass user since February 2015.

>>14792876
Oh really?
I don't know much about 4chan pass

>>14792885
I'm referring to this retarded "4chan pass user since" bullshit. I only turned it on for that one post because I thought it would be funny to call somebody else a bitch, but then have that.

>>14792632
>not recognizing G Gundam
Get off my board...

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>>14792309
>Ugly mecha designs

>>14793242
Meant for >>14792425

>>14793242
yeah, totally. I mean, I think the original 5 mobile suits are cool and unique, and the Strike Freedom is just gorgeous.

>>14792694
I can see why it wouldn't be the series for you: only people with GOOD taste enjoy it.

>>14792145
Mostly it's because the mass production suits are cool. Once they ditch them for GN tech it all goes to shit. But until then they were cool enough to hold my interest.

>>14792145
SEED's artstyle is fucking trash that's why.

It also doesn't help when the main protagonist is basically a self-insert for nerds to feel good about themselves.

>>14793395
Yeah, I will say that of the episodes I did watch the grunt suits were pretty cool

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>>14792145
>>14792483

>>14793360
>and the Strike Freedom is just gorgeous.

It's gaudy AF you pleb

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>>14793539

>>14793548
Pffft, noice.

>>14792587
>Supporting material
Sweet good goddamn. A series is not 'supporting material' for a movie that caps it off. It's all one story!

I'm trying to imagine some comparisons here, like watching a few episodes of Evangelion then skipping to the movie and complaining about how everything was completely stupid and made no sense. No fucking shit if you skipped the bulk of it and leapt to conclusions after a quarter of the series.

>>14793568

I already admitted my mistake chill out >>14792594

I enjoy both 00 and SEED/SEED Destiny OP.

>>14793614
Can you tell me why you enjoyed Destiny? It loses cohesion so fast and feels so contrived to me that the only parts about it I liked were Shin yelling "STELLAAAAAAAAA" Streetcar-Named-Desire style and the flyer packs for the Impulse

>>14793627
The gunpla was nice.

>>14793360
>and the Strike Freedom is just gorgeous.
Well at least you're admitting you're just baiting.

>>14793627
>Characters were enjoyable
>Good designs
>Good war setting, basically having the world fighting itself
>Good events (Junius Seven, Berlin)
>Good fights (Freedom/Impulse, Orb)

The first six or so episodes of Destiny were better than all of Seed combined.

Shame that they kept making more.

>>14792145
Never saw 00 because I hate the premise. If I think "IF WE HAVE THE MOST NUKES THERE WILL BE NO WAR" is stupid, is there any way I can enjoy the show? It's the only Gundam series I haven't watched yet.

>>14793684
Yes, because like RL MAD, the show doesn't work that way either.

The OP stopped watching right at the point where the first season started getting interesting, too, so feel free to disregard his opinion.

>>14792145
Oh look, its another false-flagging anti-00 thread again. These never get old.

>>14792145
I dislike both equally but I can think of what makes SEED really annoying
For me it was the ridiculous level if teenage forced drama, like SEED's ed started with words "we used to be so close, but the twilight has already changed its colour" or something like that, and it ALWAYS fits the moment it follows. Which is really retarded as when there is a 50 episodes show you can't have every single episode end with "oh those poor children who used to be a family/friends/whatever are separated with war, this world is so cruel to them" shit.

00 was also full of shitty drama but it was somewhat more various.

SEED was more interesting for me plot wise(probably because it just retells 0079 that is pretty fucking cool) while 00 had better written characters (mostly)

I haven't seen destiny though, SEED itself was too exausting)

>>14793689
>Start getting interesting
>CB got lured into a trap because some "Terrorist" got their hand on a nuke, got their ass whooped so hard they have to be saved by asspull out of nowhere Throne team. All while Sumeragi were prancing around in Bikini because why not ?
>Then Throne got shafted off screen without even doing much, CB got betrayed because of Amuro evil clone out of fucking nowhere.
>Final season battle was good until Setsuna and Graham pierce each other cockpit WITH FUCKING BEAM SABER and got drifted in space unconscious and both survive.
>Second season came, Oh hey, Lock on is popular so we are going to bring him back Mwu style but to justify it, let make it his twin brother instead complete with his role as the sniper. What ? Too unoriginal you said ? Then how about getting a subplot romance that barely got mentioned ? Good ? Perfect !
> 00 RAISER !!!!!!! TA QUANTUM TELEPORT BLAH BLAH BLAH BULLSHIT
>MURIE ! MOTHER ! VEDA ! GUNDAM ! LOUISE !
> Maria is the most useless pacifist princess ever produced.
> All battle reduced to: CB got fuck hard > Setsuna arrived > 00 Raiser went TransArm > 00 Raiser dueled whatever the fuck weeaboo Graham has become and his weeaboo BEAM KATANA wielding bullshit mech he piloted.
>Amuro evil clone produced a lot of Amuro evil clone and use them for kamikaze attack instead of fighting like a professional army because LULZ.
>Th O Gundam is completely ripped off of RX-78-2, down to weapon load out and pain scheme. Got destroyed by a gay Exia refitted even though evil Amuro clone handed Setsuna his ass most of the fight.
>Lock On twin brother turned the table because the enemy suddenly become dumb and throw away his beam rifle to melee him instead
> Louise was not dead.
> TIera was dead but not really.
> Patrick was dead but not really.
> Tiera is able to hack into Veda mainframe when he was killed because of reason.
> Innovator is Newtype but not really.
> Then the movie came. And surprise ! it is Alien in GUNDAM !

For my observation people only interesting action, weapons and technology but not there character role and background story where very familiar rippoff from the original classic. Its plain simple stupid people like that so defended like genius.

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>>14793963
What am I reading?

>>14794109
Google translate's opinion

As a guy who watched 00 long after it was over and SEED as each episode came out, I can't fucking stomach SEED.
> the obvious attempt to be the next gen OG Gundam with a 2000 coat of paint
> that God awful animation, art direction and CG
Unicorn was much better in both categories. 00 tried to be the next gen gundam wing and had some decent animation to boot. I enjoyed it much more.

>>14792425
>Dead protagonist comes back to life twice
more like:
>I was dumb enough to actually believe they really killed the main character halfway through the show and then I was dumb enough to fall for it again in the sequel.

Kira never died, you're just gullible as fuck.

>>14793684
That's not really the idea in 00.
It's like this:
Humanity tends toward being a bunch of self-interested, squabbling regimes each trying to get a bigger piece of the pie than the other guy, because we look at the world as "it's them or us".
Celestial Being isn't really pulling the "peace through superior firepower" card, they're making themselves the common enemy so that the whole world will see each other as "us" next to CB's "them".

You can't force people to cooperate, but you can give them incentive to cooperate in the form of a common enemy that none of them can defeat alone. They basically trick the world into establishing world peace by picking a fight with the entire world.

I prefer G-reco

>>14794154
>comparing TV series with a fucking OVA that had almost entire yearly intervals between episodes
Retard.
>>14793714
>Seed
>interesting
>"It recycles and butchers the original series so that was cool and innovative of it".
What dumb logic.

>>14794708
I didn't mean that SEED is cool , I'm only trying to say that it actually had a plot, even though it is not original
0079's plot was good so even being recycled and butchered it still somewhat works, unlike the nonsense that was happening in 00 and especially Trailblazer

>>14792145
The first season.

>>14792145

Because Setsuna ain't a bitch.

>>14794781
>seeing it being recycled and butchered
>it still somewhat works
Wrong, retard.

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>this entire thread

>>14794407
Did the Ptolemaios team know that though? I remember them being quite surprised when it was revealed that they were sacrificial lambs. The point isn't whether Aeolia's plan was stupid or not. Ptolemaios team acted on what they THOUGHT to be Aeolia's plan, and THAT is what people consider to be stupid. While the plan makes sense when it gets revealed, the entire premise of the first 15 episodes or so is that the protagonists are holier-than-thou extremists who believe superior firepower will let them keep peace forever.

That said, people who whine about "muh peace through superior firepower" forget that the Ptolemaios team are a bunch of borderline psychos. Even Neil, who was the most stable of the bunch, succumbed to a lust for revenge. A person who watches the first few episodes is supposed to get that you're not supposed to sympathize with the Ptolemaios team, but many people don't and complain that "this show is stupid, the good guys are unlikeable". Setsuna & co. don't become the good guys at least until Alejandro's coup. Making a series that doesn't have any good guys for almost 20 episodes was a ballsy move, but one that alienised some of the audience.

>>14795824
Yes, they believed in what they were doing, but it was well established that the Ptolemaios crew (and the Gundam Meisters in particular) weren't exactly the most well-adjusted individuals.

>>14795756
Are you implying that 00 had a more consistent plot, retard?

>>14795921
Anyone would, (you) faggot.

>>14795983
Yeah, pretty much anyone as dumb as (you)

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>>14795991
>>14795921
>>14794781
Why don't you put on that OP name field again?

>>14795824

I'm pretty sure the Ptolemaios team knew the plan was to unite the world through a common enemy all along, just not that they were supposed to lose in the end. I imagine they instead thought they'd be able to disappear once the unite the world part was done. I can't imagine what else they thought the end goal would have been, beyond perhaps taking over the world like Ribbons wanted to. I think they even mention the unite the world part during the first 15 episodes or whatever before they find out they're supposed to lose.

>>14796013
Why don't 00-fags stop being ragetards?

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>>14796075

>>14793746
At least shit was happening. The first 8 episodes were all literally 'the gendums are untouchable and we'll hint at shit but never explain it'.

Season 2 wasn't that great, but the first 7 or so eps were ok.

Scratch the movie being a filter for retards in Gundam, the 00 series itself is now.

>>14792145
because bitches took the backseat where they belong

>>14794109
Better go back to school.

Why do plans for battle in SEED amount to "ok we all attack together from this direction, Archangel you're the flag ship"?

>>14798313
what are you talking about? Archangel was usually alone

the only time it was fighting with other friendly forces was was when the 8th fleet acted as a shield for it so the archangel could escape to earth, or during the battle at JOSH-A when it was lumped together with throwaway eurasian forces as a decoy (still wasn't a flagship)

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>>14792425
>Ugly sameface character designs
Not a valid complaint, seeing as Fafner, MJP and Heroic Age are all enjoyable

Jesus fucking christ you guys are still here?
The bait doesn't taste that good does it?

So I'm trying to stomach the rest of 00 now, starting with episode 10 which is actually the episode I quit in the middle of. It's a bit hard to swallow but I'll just take it one episode at a time.
>If only they would stop saying "Gundam MEISTER"

>>14793697
I wouldn't have made this thread if 00 fanfags weren't always bashing SEED and comparing it to their equally shit show

>>14798365
Look, you're going to reach the hi point of the series at the span of episodes between 16 and the end of the first season.

It's all downhill from there.

>>14798313
Nah, battle plans in SEED usually start with
"Activate CIWS and Wombat missiles, mobile suits prepare to sortie"

>>14798375
Mostly because the majority of SEED is the Archangel being on the defensive and getting chased down by ZAFT

>>14798373
Thanks for the heads up

>>14796013
Gonna be honest none of those were me, and what the fuck is this (you) shit please enlighten me oldfags

>>14798365
Maybe SEED should stop being the shittier show

>>14793746
>> Patrick was dead but not really.
That's literally the fucking joke, you monumental retard

>>14798399
Maybe you should stop being black

>>14798395
(You)

>>14796041
>I can't imagine what else they thought the end goal would have been
Staying as the guardian angels of humanity forever. I'm sure at least Setsuna believed that to be the case, which shows how crazy his obsession with Gundam was. I might be mistaken though.

>>14796041

Pretty sure they were informed that they could get killed because of what they're doing, but they were never told that the end goal was for them to BE killed. One of the main reasons why Ribbons is so butt hurt against Aeolia Schenberg is because he was informed that he was to die as Exia's Gundam Meister. He said fuck that and tampered with Veda in order to force it to select Setsuna as Exia's pilot. He then proceeded to make further modifications to the plan by assisting Alejandro with his coup.

>>14798587

Even that implies disappearing for periods of time once humanity is united and isn't doing anything that needs guarding though. If humanity fragmented again or some new wars broke out they could come back, but if they were being good then the angel doesn't need to appear.

>>14798838

Yea, I've no doubt they knew they could be killed - my point was more that they seemed aware their goal was not "to end all conflict forever by using conflict" but more "give everyone a bigger threat to unite against" and that the shock from the mid season one revelation seemed to come more from the idea they were supposed to lose and not that the goal was to have everyone join up to fight them. The end all conflict forever thing seemed to be more a publicly stated goal, subversion to make the world hate them and unite against them without realizing it, rather than something the people within Celestial Being themselves believed.

I could very well be wrong though, since I haven't seen the show in years. I seem to recall them talking about uniting the world against them even in the first dozen episodes before Aeolia's plan is more fully revealed.