Here's to the sexiest ship in Starfleet!

Enterprise Refit/A > all others

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>Star Trek Online getting a 23rd century fleet holding
>still no Wrath of Khan pulse-style phasers
>still no T5U/T6 Connie refit
Kill me now.

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>>14789547
I love the Refit, but I love the Excelsior just as much

Speaking of I just watched Spock's Brain for the first time last night.

It's dumb, it's silly, but quite frankly it gets way more flak than it deserves. If this is the worst TOS has to offer, then TOS got off easy compared to VOY or ENT.

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I like the original more.

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>>14790473
"And the Children Shall Lead" is the actual worst TOS has to offer.

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Anyone prefer the Miranda-Class?

It always looked like a sleek cruise ship to me.

Also, due to its low profile and compact build, it looks stronger than the Enterprise.

>>14790641

But does it insult my intelligence like Threshold?

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>>14791200
We're supposed to think of the Reliant as Khan's ship. There's a lot of duality symbolism in Wrath of Khan -- Spock is the true reflection of Kirk, Khan is a twisted reflection of Kirk, and Reliant is a twisted reflection of Enterprise.

>>14791214
"I'M... LOSING... MY... ABILITY... TO... COMMAND!!!"
Yeah, I think it does.

>>14791200

Ironically it's really not. The lack of a bigger drive section means that every hit it takes causes critical damage.

Enterprise took many hits in WOK and managed to keep on going, usally because they kept hitting lower drive area and not the bridge or saucer, while both times they scored a hit on Reliant it caused them to have to immediately run off before they got wasted, or actually wasted towards the end.

>>14790641
Fist pump was a fun dumb episode though.

Profoundly dumb but comical thanks to it.

Sword tunnels are 3spoopy5me

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"The hull has been compromised."

"I wonder how bad."

>>14791214
>"As you believe, so shall you do, so shall you do. As you believe, so shall you do, so shall you do."

Yeah.

>>14791865

Eh you can buff that out

>>14791566
>>14791883

Well now I HAVE to watch it.

>>14789477
It's true. I'm a TNG babby, but the ENT-A is the most beautiful ship in the series.

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phase ii ent secret best

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>>14791865
Alter circuit A.

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>>14792652
Good news for you: it's coming back in 2017!

Thank you, Abrams!

fuck you, Abrams!

>>14793400
In the thumbnail this looks like pizzas

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>>14789477
What a magnificent fucking ship

>>14793422

it looks worse in action

>>14791200

miranda class a boss. longest serving class if i remember correctly.

>>14793715
miranda and salamis class are the eternal cannon fodder for the federation.

>>14793733

only because the enemy knows they have to target them first or get blown up before the hero ships have a chance to do anything.

>>14793400
Actually, the Discovery looks better than this, mainly because the nacelles are bigger and balance the big secondary hull.

>>14789918
Actually, it seems the holding has those phasers and there was a t6 connie released recently - as a cashgrab box, err gamble box, err lockbox

>>14789918
>Only 5 people on the ship
>all the room lights in the ship are on

wut

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>>14793787
>it seems the holding has those phasers
Really? Video I saw only had the TOS blue phasers, along with distruptor and plasma beams.
>t6 connie
Was the TOS Connie, not the refit.

>>14793400
McQuarriePrise from Planet of the Titans. Phase II was halfway between TOSprise and TMPprise.

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>>14793736

Because the franchise insisted on nerfing and degrading the Miranda-Class after "Wrath of Khan".

>>14791610

Yet the Reliant gave the Enterprise one massive pounding, and this was with an inexperienced and mentally unstable Captain.

Even when the Reliant engaged the Enterprise without target-lock or shields, it took out a photon torpedo launcher and temporarily wrecked the warp drive.

The mistake Khan made immediately afterward (due to 2-D thinking) was not dropping the Reliant down the Z-axis. The Enteprise's return fire would have missed the bridge.

>>14791566

Speaking of symbolism, note the Reliant is always lit worse than the Enterprise and uses red lights. It's a detail quite a few Reliant depictions get wrong, but oh well.

If you really want to get symbolic, look at the registry number. It's the second-to-last year of the American Civil War (1864).

>>14791610
>Ironically it's really not.

In terms of firepower, the Reliant seemed stronger to me.
Megaphasers - the Enterprise did not have these. Could fire forward and aft. If I remember right, in TWOK, the Reliant is called a "science vessel". Why would a science vessel have megaphasers? Plus it has a Photon torpedo weapons pod capable of firing aft torpedoes, which makes the science vessel idea even more strange.

The Reliant/Miranda class just seemed like a ship built for peacekeeping/battle, in comparison to the Enterprise which had a more exploration role.

The cool thing is that the Reliant didnt fall into the STUPID fucking trope of the more recent Trek films, where the adversary ship is ridiculously more powerful than the Enterprise (Scitimar, Narada, USS Veangance)

>>14794350

Those mega-phasers could really slice into the Enterprise.

>>14794350
>Why would a science vessel have megaphasers?
This kind of sums up Federation ships in a nutshell.
>we're here for science
>but we'll blow you to the next galaxy if you fuck with us

>>14794270

1864 being related to the civil war is a bit of a stretch. Unless you believe that 1701 is a reference to the start of the War of the Spanish Succession.

>>14794350
Well Reliant was just one archetypal Federation ship of the times.

Vengeance is such a curb stomper because that's its job. It's there to give a frame of reference to the world of difference between the Federation following its ideal and the Federation going full warmonger.

It's a reminder of what the Federation could be, shouldn't be, and yet is dangerously close to becoming thanks to the Kelvin divergence: A razor sharp instrument of destruction from which there is no hiding. A gun to hold at the head of the known universe. A Dominion on the wrong side of space.

>>14794350

I mean aft firing weapons makes sense if you think your ship is going to be running away a lot.

>>14794350
>The cool thing is that the Reliant didnt fall into the STUPID fucking trope of the more recent Trek films, where the adversary ship is ridiculously more powerful than the Enterprise (Scitimar, Narada, USS Veangance)
I know this doesn't excuse the size, but at least they're threatening and filled with weapons. The D'deridex is twice the size ofthe Ent-D and what did it have? Two disruptors and a torp launcher?

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>>14794925
>I mean aft firing weapons makes sense if you think your ship is going to be running away a lot.

The Klingons at the beginning of ST TMP would be mad as fuck at you for saying that.

>>14795051
The ones who have an aft-firing launcher too?

>>14794925
The aft tube is for a mix of reasons, such as getting jumped from behind, or to reduce the amount of turning needed to get a valid firing solution.

The ability to raise a ship's weapons to bear on a target in a swift fashion means the difference between life and death. Ship turning speed, weapon traversal, weapon placement - these variables are the key.

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>>14793988
Here's a TOS Excelsior. I wish I could get a 3D print of this one so I could use it in Federation Commander.

>>14794350
>Why would a science vessel have megaphasers? Plus it has a Photon torpedo weapons pod capable of firing aft torpedoes, which makes the science vessel idea even more strange.

Federation ships are largely meant to be jacks of all trades. Science & exploration are always priority missions, but they're meant to be able to hold their own in a fight. One day you might be cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies, the next you might be duking it out with the Cardassians.

>>14797479
For their size I guess Federation ships are "undergunned".

Seeing stuff like that Galaxy class having trouble fighting the small Jem Hadar attack ship or the combat-purposed Defiant fighting an upgraded Excelsior to a standstill kinda reinforces that.

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>>14797479
Why didnt the USS Grissom have Mega-phasers, then? Or any weapons at all?

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To me the USS Lagrange is better looking than the Reliant, but doesnt have the weapons rollbar Reliant has, which sucks.

>>14797636
>nisebird.jpg

>>14797636
>the Federation sucking Romulan cock

>>14797537
>Star Trek The Motion Picture rated G
>children traumatized for life after watching the transporter accident scene

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>>14797689

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>>14797700

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>>14797706

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>>14797713

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>>14797636
>>14797650
>>14797653

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I'll show you sexy.

>>14795051
The Ktinga Class was beautiful!

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>>14797636
>>14797799
Hello, fellow Federation Captain! How goes it, maintaining the false peace through passive aggressive and cowardly tactics?

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>>14790464
>Excelsior

I thought this was pretty badass

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>>14798343

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Are you guys trying to post ships that aren't connies?

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>>14798364
Come on it was bound to become a general Star Trek thread eventually.

Which is fine I've been enjoying the amount of Star Trek thread's we've been having, especially since I've been in a bit of a Trek mood between working though everything again as well as playing STO off and on.

>>14794874

Well look at Khan's history. You can divide it into five periods (mirroring the five years of the Civil War). His rise to power, his exile, his second exile, his return, and his fall.

The number 1864 symbolizes Khan's return, before his fall. The Confederacy had one more year, then it was defeated in 1865.

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*sips coffee*
Happy /m/onday /m/orning, everybody

>>14797636
>>14797799
This thing is pretty cool actually works allot bettr than it should.

The odd thing about Miranda-Class starships is that their critical systems are on the easy-to-hit upper side. A better place would be the underside, which is far less exposed.

>>14799258
There is no up or down in space, anon.

This thread reminded me that I now have a ship guide from the TOS era. I should probably give that a flip through
>>14791200
Now that's how you make a practical looking and sexy space ship
>>14797372
I guess I just like the compact looks, because that one is beautiful too.
>>14797799
>Only looks badass from the front

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>tfw you realize you're a trekkie

>>14797662
Ratings board attitudes (as well as the ratings) have changed quite a bit since the MPA rating system was first created.

The original M/GP/PG rating was more akin to the modern PG13 rating, but ratings drift has pushed G to being for under 13 and PG being general audience.

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>>14799141
always thought it was odd that they snuck a Congo Class in there.

>>14799945
Maybe they mistakenly thought it was the Universe class.

>>14790641
>"And the Children Shall Lead" is the actual worst TOS has to offer.

Spock's Brain.

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>/m/ discussing Star Trek

>>14800171

The backstory of that episode is kind of amazing. Writers were overworked, show's budget had been slashed, morale was bad, disgruntled writer submitted it as a goof thinking it would be outright rejected, and the studio apparently didn't even read it.

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>tfw no daedalus class to haunt for all eternity with your fellow ghostbro prisoners

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>>14800171
Pay attention to the thread. I was responding to someone who was saying "Spock's Brain" wasn't that bad compared to the worst episodes of other Trek series.

>>14793738
It still looks like they glued a saucer on a K'Tinga.

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>>14801142
>you will never be part of a maintenance crew that gets to work on starships in an orbital garage

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>>14802617

I just recently watched Beyond for the first time a few days ago and I have to say, I was pretty shocked at how brutally they took down the Enterprise.

>>14802632
Well it had to be taken down. All that ship did was job horribly. Here's hoping the new -A doesn't job horribly like its predecessor

>>14802632
Hey, me too. the Star Trek curse continues though it really did add to the effect when the Franklin's hull plowed through everything. that was awesome.

Which ship is stronger?

The Enterprise or the Reliant?

>>14802794
I think it's unfair to call "eat shit from a purpose built ship fucker upper" a jobbing.

And the Narada was from the future, so there's that.

Let's just say she had some real shitty luck in this timeline, and that even surviving that many film grade catastrophic events should've earned her the Grey Ghost nickname of her Yorktown-class ancestor.

>>14803489
Mirandas were still being used in combat fleets well into DS9. Didn't see a lot of Constitutions did you?

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>>14803489
The Enterprise took more hits than the Reliant did and won. It's the most direct comparison.

>>14803592

>First hits on Reliant
>Were only able to damage Photon Control and Warp Drive (and thus phasers)

>Second hit
>Lucky as hell (badly working viewscreen, no target lock, firing diagonally) shot to the bridge

>First real set of multiple hits
>Torpedo launcher destroyed
>Then warp nacelle is hit by phaser fire
>Then warp nacelle is cleanly blown off with collateral damage to the bridge

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>>14803666
>Enterprise model had battle damage scars on its warp nacelles but they weren't blown away

The Reliant had its warp core functional for tons of attacks in the first battle. With just a little bit of auxiliary power or barely functioning mains the Enterprise rendered all that carnage in your post. The comparison is clear.

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>>14803533
On the note of Older ships in DS9 (and TNG to a lesser degree) is why were their so many Excelsiors but not a damn Ambassador to be seen hardly?

I mean the more Excelsiors the better but it was a bit weird, aside from the getting millage out of the Excelsior studio model (s?) and not making more Ambassadors.

>>14803758

The one time the Enterprise engaged the Reliant in a point-range battle, it failed to stop it with a hit that caused a bridge explosion.

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>>14803775

It is perplexing the show shafted the Ambassador-Class, considering one of the class was an Enterprise.

>>14803775
TNG didn't make much use of the Ambassador either. Maybe the model was damaged, or the staff didn't like it.

>>14803911

I'm pretty sure the model was either damaged or not a particularly solid kitbash fit for close inspection.

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>>14804667
Here is the Enterprise-C model used in Yesterday's Enterprise. The battle damage added to it for the story made is impossible to reuse it as other Abassadors without major work done to it, so there was a clean Ambassador built the next time it needed to be shown in an episode, but Excelsiors were shown instead to save money.

The same thing with the Bird of Prey, the studio model built for ST3 was used in TNG to save money, the Klingons built a Bird of Prey 3 times the original size and looked exactly like it, fucking lel

This thread reminded me how much I admire these ship designs. I feel like a lot of modern sci-fi ships try to look sleek, or practical, and then you have good old trek with its weird saucer head and engines jutting off the back on stilts and its like, fuck what you think you know about design. Ain't no gravity here, plenty of room to look different and weird.

>>14803533
>Didn't see a lot of Constitutions did you?

They weren't allowed to use it for some asinine reason. I mean, I could see putting an embargo on it while the TOS movies were still being made, but the last of them was in 1991.

>>14805151
Star Trek has fully realized ship designs and various evolutions based on fictional technologies, which really makes them great.

>>14805151

My dream starship aesthetic is one that fuses the futurism of "Star Trek" with the used-future look of "Outland".

Basically designs that began as sleek, but have been operating long past their intended lifespan.

>>14804780

That picture is pretty sexual, so I'm trying to ignore all the inaccuracies with it.

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>>14789477
Hell yeah.

Got lucky and found this at a comic shop recently, too.

>>14804794
Source?

>>14806116
>Enterprise-A
>Classic Kirk on the boxart

I mean, I know why, but still.

>>14806128
Haven't been able to find much beyond the fact that it's a poster released around the time of TMP's premiere (obviously), and it was scanned by a Deviantart user named Willvoy.

>>14804742
Nothing will ever beat the "Everlasting Battlecruiser" dumbasses Berman and Braga used in Enterprise, because animators didn't finished the proper model in time.

>>14806128
Artwork by David Kimble. This page gives the most info on it:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/David_A._Kimble

>>14805151

Trek's starship design aesthetic was really pretty revolutionary. Before it, there were rockets and there were saucers. That was really it (aside from one curious police box). Trek really opened up the possibilities for everything that has come since.

>>14806116
So if I've already got this, is it worth getting the WoK Enterprise? I hear the plastic is kinda translucent.

>>14807125
Explain.

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You didn't see connies in DS9 battles because they needed a good ship for getting blown to bits.

Connies only die like beautiful swans that flew too close to the sun.

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>>14807577
>You didn't see connies in DS9
>read that as cunnies
what has this site done to me

>>14807290
I think he means the Akira, and how the NX class was pretty much just an Akira class flipped upside down and given some vaguely TOS looking Nacelles.

>>14807290
>>14807772
Or he could mean the D7/K'Tinga which was in everything from ENT to even Voyager I think.

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>>14807290
>>14807772
>>14807773
There was actually new Klingon ship designed for the Enterprise, but when they presented it to producers, they demanded it to be reworked, and since the staff was already exhausted from previous work, dumbasses opted to use the K't'inga from Voyager episode in its place.

The class was named D'ama, and there STO decided to fuck the canon even further, when they introduced the very same design as Koro't'inga, that actually doesn't predates the K't'inga, but succeeds it.

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>>14807849
Klingons are a very traditional people.

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>>14807872
Yet, when they wanted new Klingon ships for the second season, they got the D5.

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>>14807849
I mean fuck even the Romulan's used the damn thing the D7 and derivatives really got some fucking mileage out of them.

So did the B'riel DESU.

>>14807888
That was half century ago, when Romulan Bird of Prey actually looked like federation ship with wings.

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>>14807872
Worf is a Klingaboo. He's all about muh honor muh tradition we wuz warriors because he only learned about the culture from the outside like a weeb would study samurai.

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>>14795565
awl betah now

>>14808123
So beautiful, even after so many years.

>>14808123
I kinda like the TOS aesthetics, but it always annoyed me, how every time they wanted to imply that some design is pre-TOS they added fucking spikes to the Bussard collectors.

Im 3 seasons into ent and voy. I get the voy hate, but not the ent hate. What's up with it?

>>14808305
Most of the hate to Ent is that it was a prequel that until Coto took over didn't care fuck all about continuity. And the fan service rub downs

It has some good stuff though and the fanwankery continuity fixers in season 4 are fun too. And Shran is the greatest addition to Trek in years

Still hate Berman's finale though

>>14808521
>Still hate Berman's finale though
I still can't fathom why they thought handing the finale back to those two clowns was a good idea.

>>14808555
They wanted to make sure that there would be no fucking way for anybody to even consider making another season for it.

>>14808521
What exactly is wrong about the continuity? I know they fucked up and called a bird of prey a warbird. Besides little shit like that what else was there? Still only on season 3 so if it's later sorry

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>we will never see the Enterprise-E ever again

oh man

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>>14808658
>Star Trek Online is finally adding a T6 Sovereign
>it's only available from some cross-promotion giveaway with Attack Wing miniatures
>also only available through in-store purchases, so fuck you if you don't live near any stores that stock that shit

>>14808054

No one ever seems to get this; Worf is arguably the biggest fucking dork on TNG, even beyond Geordi or Data.

>>14808658
I really see the Excelsior influence in this pic.

does anyone here play STO?

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I agree, OP

>>14794350
It's fun to have a movie where the tension comes from the bad guy being an even match with the protagonist rather than being a wildly overpowered big bad and just meandering around until a plot device to resolve it is found.

>>14808686
Oh yeah he is.

>>14808658
Now that's how you design a cool spaceship. I love the size and streamlining

>>14808686
Seriously. It's rather jarring to realize during my rewatch of TNG. Case in point, the episode that introduced K'Ehleyr. Spends half the episode ignoring her like a disgruntled teenager, then after they give into hatesex he tries to get her to do the Klingon mating vows. And afterwards it's implied the reason they originally broke up is because Worf did the exact same shit after a few dates, and K'Ehleyr wasn't ready for that either time.

I didn't think Worf of all characters would cause me to experience second-hand embarrassment, but there you go.

Someone post the God-tier/Shit-tier race map.

>>14808658
Well after Nemesis, yea one can see why they sound want too.

Least it's first appearance in First Contact was a good one.,

>>14808954
I do, though on console. Played it on PCbut because of where my PC is compared to the router the shitty wireless card keeps dropping connection on it so I switched.

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It ain't nothing special, but twas crued by the best Starfleet captain.

>>14810750
>Janeway
>Best Starfleet captain

What the fuck is this weak bait?

>>14798349
Frankly, I liked the Vengeance. It's not an explorer, it's a straight-up battleship in a setting where the the enemies are even meaner than they were in the Prime timeline, due to Narada fragments all being reverse engineered.

I kind of hope it returns as a Galaxy-analogue in the Kelvin timeline; just fill in the saucer and replace the weapons with more science facilities and aircraft facilities.

Still, it's nice that the KT sidestory manga shows that the design was not quite abandoned; but reused by S31 for their covert ops with cloaking devices.

>>14810812
>manga
Fuck, meant comic. Reminder to not post without coffee first.

>>14810756
>Implying Sisko is better
Kek

>>14810994

Sisko was a supreme war commander, the best the Federation ever produced. In terms of both strategy and tactics, he showed himself to grasp military situations brilliantly.

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>>14810994
Who isn't better than Janeway? Kirk, Picard, and Sisko are all vastly superior. I haven't seen ENT, so I can't comment on that.

>>14811012
>that moment when Sisko, Martok and Admiral Ross stand in the ruins of conquered Cardassia Prime

>>14811136
not like the Cardassians didnt have it coming.

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>>14811838

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>>14810994
I never said anything about Sisko. But like >>14811136 said, who isn't better than Janway.

Anyways pic related is best and everyone knows it.

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>>14811842

>>14811842
Pure sex.

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>>14811845
Wrong.
Pic Related Is the best.

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>>14812192
Okay anon, you got me.

For real though Galaxy quest was fucking great.

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>>14812025

I'm envious of the employees of Blue Origin. She's sitting in their headquarters' lobby.

>>14812205
I would be terrified of it getting knocked over, honestly.

>>14808658

:'(

>>14808658
Honestly I hate the Enterprise-E. It's too fat in the wrong places, too elongated and too busy.

>>14810812
I can agree with those points. I just wish they went with a design more interesting than "It's the Constitution-class, but EVIL". It was a little too on-the-nose for a thematic point.

>>14812205
>No display case
YOU ANIMALS.

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>>14789918
Where did all that damage come from???????
pic on the left is after Reliant has been defeated

This isnt /m/ related at all

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>>14810812
I don't know...it's just so...I don't know how to put it.

Frankly I don't like the hollow part of the saycer really, and it's hull near the Deflector either, as well as the weapons arrays to the sides, if those were more intigrated into it, then maybe.

I wish, like the other anon said they did more than 'CONSITUTION BUT EEEVVIIILLLL' because there's plenty of things they could of done if they wanted a warship. Especially since in prime most warships/escorts the federation puts out don't really follow their standard configuration.

That said what makes me the maddest about it, is that as far as we know for now, is that it's the Excelsior stand in of that universe. Which annoys me because I like Abrams verse ships well enough, but I was hoping to see an Abrahams Excelsior.

>>14810812
The "Teh evul enterprise" thing is what annoyed me the most. A full on warship built for radically different goals yet looks almost the same as the regular connie. Well at least when you
could see the ships in the few times they wern't coverd in bloom effects.

That being said if it was used for anything other than enterprise for bad guys. I wouldent have minded as much save for the retarded hole with huge transparent bit that acts like a ' Shoot here' Sign.

>>14799945
I really hate these things . So flat it looks like they took a 3d model of a normal saucer and just flattened it till it only has one deck if that even and call it 'Futuristic.

Still this does look slightly better than the abortion that is the J.

I never understood the appeal of Star trek ship.

It's futile to ask for something functional but they all look the same to me, you don't have any visual clue to what the ship is meant to do, you can't tell if a ship is anything better or faster, since combat is laser and shield you need to be told what happen.
And when you look at enemy ship, they are just the same but completely angular

I know, lot of that is because of budget, no 3D and this series is more cultural than BSG gritty fight, I'm not judging. I'm just saying I can't get behind.

> bumping your thread

>>14813710
>Shit taste: The post

>>14789918
>>still no Wrath of Khan pulse-style phasers

What?
Pulse phasers have been in the game since beta.

>>14813388
>Where did all that damage come from???????
The director must've wanted more damage to justify the ship being decomissioned. If you want an in-universe explanation, there's a novel that justifies it by having the crew getting into some other batte between TWoK and TSFS, because novels have to justify even the smallest details.

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>Original Constitution Class used to be my favourite
>Dude who designed the new JJ Enterprise-A seen at the end of Beyond, said in an interview how he noticed how fucked up the neck was on the original connie and how it's "upside down"
>Now cannot unsee.

Honestly the original Connie just has a shitty side profile anyway, where the dish and neck connect as well feels like it's slightly off.

The one thing I still like on the original connie though is the gold dish and the disco buzzards.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lQH9kHyP_g

The film is probably going to suck balls (the live action shots so far look very College film school low budget/green, heavy after effects, screen production) but holy shit Pacific 201 has probably the single sexiest redesigns of Trek ships and Pacific 201 is just one hell of a good looking ship itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzWMOi5tyQs

>>14797528

that ship always pissed me off, how do you get from one section to another!? through the nacelle pylons? why!?

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>>14794350
>The Reliant/Miranda class just seemed like a ship built for peacekeeping/battle, in comparison to the Enterprise which had a more exploration role.

It's original name was the Avenger class, Miranda came later.

It was a battle ship, along the same lines as the Defiant sort of.

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>>14813971
Pacific 201 Daedalus is sex.

>>14810812

my problem is that its just retardedly big, for no fucking reason

>>14811845

this

>>14813984
>Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage. But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two

>>14813984
So where does the proton torpedo go?

>>14813975

Always figured the Oberth's lower section was just sensors/equipment and totally unmanned.

>>14813388

The damage application to the model(s) was only temporary (the same models were used for the -A, after all), so someone probably just overdid it putting it back on for TSFS.

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>>14813388
Doesn't that damage on the right match up with the damage it takes on the other side in the previous film? Because I'm sure that damage under the neck is from the phaser barrage when Scotty's nephew gets killed.
Maybe someone cocked up and put it on the wrong side for the next film.

Where's the center of mass on these ships? Isn't that important when applying thrust? Also isn't it a bother if you want to go from one end to the other you have to go up and down all those decks?
I like The way they look, don't get me wrong, but it seems rather impractical

>>14814003
All of the ships in the reboot are retardedly big.

>>14813388
If you look at the damage readout on the bridge during Khans first attack you can see hits on both sides of the engineering hull.

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>>14814381
This the connie is nearly fucking Galaxy sized from what I remember, or at least approching Ambassador sized.

Connie's and Conie refits in the prime universe were pretty tiny all things considered. It's why Scotty and Chekov (may of been Sulu) were amazed at how big the Excelsior was, when it was rolling out it was a big ass ship.

>>14794350
>Plus it has a Photon torpedo weapons pod capable of firing aft torpedoes, which makes the science vessel idea even more strange.

Aren't probes launched with the same systems as torpedoes? Being able to fire a probe out your ass seems handy for a science vessel.

>>14799807
It's treker.

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>>14814845
>treker

>>14814845
I still find it funny, that fans of TOS, and the movies, call themselves trekkers (similar to rockers), while fans of TNG are trekkies (like hippies).

>>14814852
I like it all (I admit TNG as my intro so maybe that explains it) but Trekker sounds just...stupid, like some some fucking hiker tourist fucker.

You know the types who drive Rav4's go on vacation to Moab, eat nothing but Granola, and spend more times in kayak than O'Brein did in DS9, and have more GreenPeace bumper stickers than they do money.

>>14806567
That's from the movie with the klingon ship that can fire while cloaked right? Was that tech ever recreated? And just what was the issue preventing ships from firing while cloaked, was it simply the engines not being able to provide enough power for both the cloak and weapon systems at the same time or something else?

>>14808609
There are cloaked ships in ENT. While in TOS no one had ever head of a cloaked ship and the idea was considered impossible until the Enterprise ran into a Romulan bird of prey around/in the Neutral Zone.

>>14807872
>>14808054
>>14808686
worf spend the entire TNG getting his ass kicked like a nerd too. Even worst than geordi.

>>14814869
>>was it simply the engines not being able to provide enough power for both the cloak and weapon systems at the same time or something else?

something like that. a powerful engine produce a detectable signature, so it become a catch-22 in having a cloak good enough to cover its own power source.

>>14814869
It was done again in Nemesis the Scimitar could fire while cloaked.

Don't know if they did the same exact thing to get it done, but it was done ages later.

>>14814170
>Always figured the Oberth's lower section was just sensors/equipment and totally unmanned.
What if something kinda useful breaks up down there?
It's stylish but a bit silly nonetheless.

>>14814907
Transporter.

>>14814909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro_QpDJX-Sk

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>>14789477
Still kicking.

>>14814915
The Exeter class is so fucking good looking.

Honestly I like allot of the STO ships the White and Black thing works pretty well on most of them. I don't really like their update Defiant stuff though.

>>14813282
But if it was not "The Enterprise but EVIIIIL" then how would the average movie goer understand it's supposed to be a dark reflection of both the Enterprise and what the Federation should be as a whole?

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>>14814925
But Sao Paulo is the best Defiant.

I actually liked the design way before we got it in STO, back when it was just early draft of Valiant class.

>>14814915
I really like this, but I think it would look vastly better without the "cuffs" on its nacelles.

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>>14815011
Sao Paulo is okay I'm talking about the other two you get with the Normal Defiant before paying.

>TFW I want the T6 or Even the cloaking one but I don't want to shill out money
>Makes it worse because I'm nearly done with DS9 rewatch and ever single episode that passes with the Defiant in it I want it more

Feels bad

>>14815045
I know that people got allergic on the "cuffs" thanks to JJ-prise. But I remember making something similar for my TNG refit of Excelsior, and it definitely looks better than trying to force the Sovereign-like nacelles, like the other Connie refit did.

>>14815071
I've never seen the JJ Trek movies, I just hate those bulky cuffs that destroy the nacelles sleek lines.

>>14815069
The totally wrong impulse engine placement in this diagram triggers me every time

>>14813971
>>14813984
You know, I never really end up watching any of the fan films, but allot of them do have some good ship designs, as well as just other fanart ships IMO.

I don't know what it is but with Trek I tend to like more of the OC donut steel ships than in other works/vehicles in them.

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>>14815069
I know what are you talking about now. Such a shame, indeed. Not even the redesign really helped the case.

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>>14815069
Speaking of the Valiant, it's easily the cutest tactical escort ever made.
The cutest Starfleet ship ever made.

>>14815662
Yeah it doesn't look that bad either, it's mostly the vigilant and the gallant that are bad.

Defiant, Valiant, and Sao Paulo are a best.

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I like it when they draw the 1701 with fwoosh rockets shooting out the back.

>>14815757
And the shuttlebay for some reason.

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Kirk felt threatened by Spock and McCoy's questioning his decision to jettison the back half of the Enterprise.
Now his plan to eliminate them went into play.

>>14789477
Scotty plz go, it's not even in the top ten.

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>>14797867
Bonaventure works pretty well as a missing link between the NX and Constitution.

>>14816611
do ships that existed 80 years apart need to have a missing link?

>>14815757
>>14815838
I feel like I should be offended, but I'm thoroughly intrigued by these alternate interpretations.

>>14815391
I think it's because Star Trek has such established rules on the basic design of ships for some races (mainly Feds and Klingons) and so many designs already following that format that it's easier to accept new ones.

>>14814195
>Maybe someone cocked up and put it on the wrong side for the next film.

Enterprise has really obvious damage on both sides in ST3, I don't think it's mirrored though. I think they wanted it so the Enterprise looked beat no matter which side they shot it from, a lot of the beauty shots show it from starboard.

>>14816613
If you handed somebody that doesn't know what planes are a combat biplane and then an F-22 Raptor they'd probably wonder what happened between.

>>14816613

Things usually have a design linage, or a visible evolution of concepts that aren't stark jumps from one thing to one that shares little resemblance.

Without anything in between, a Miranda is probably a more natural evolution of what the NX class was rather than the Constitution.

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>>14815838
60s comics: the Enterprise had rockets, used lasers as weapons, and Uhura was white.

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>>14817250
The Incredible Spock

Where does the "fact" that the Miranda class/Reliant have mega-phasers come from? In STII the graphic for the phasers is the same as that used by the Enterprise, it's not mentioned in the film nor the novelisation that the ship has megaphasers. The only difference is that the weapons are mounted in side pods as opposed to standard fire arcs.

So in my opinion, the Reliant has less weapons than the Enterprise - 2 phaser banks as opposed to the Enterprise 3 but it does have forward and after torpedoes.

So where did this all start and why?

>>14818246
Feels like one of those things that came from old RPG stuff, or fan theory.

I've never seen it referenced even in EU based wikis.

>>14799807
Say what you will about trekkies, they're pretty great

>pop culture holds that star trek is nerdy and stupid, and anyone who likes it is a basement-dwelling degenerate, no exceptions
>trekkies give no fucks, and do enjoy doing what they like

Being a trekkie is a good thing
Feels good, nigga

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>tfw you feel like a pleb because the enterprise D is your favorite

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>>14818793

>>14817634
To be fair, Vulcans are supposed to be greenish and spock does have a green hue to his makeup.

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You know what still kinda surprises me?

The saucer section on fed ships are generally considered the habitation areas, right? Where all the crew quarters are and so forth.

And the Enterprise D had families aboard, and was basically a big, floating city.

So it surprises the hell out of me that no one, not even fans have yet taken that concept to it's inevitable conclusion, and had an Enterprise with a full-on dome city for a saucer section. I totally think it could work

>>14819231
As my gal pal said (she studied writing btw), one of the biggest missed opportunities of Star Trek is that you have these essentially giant floating cities in space, yet, it barely tells any of the stories of the people who live on the Starships beyond the command crew.

Also I personally feel they rely on the Holodeck too much, why do you need Holodeck for murder mystery episode? Why not just do murder mysteries with the crew, like the babel episode in TOS?

>>14819231
Oh also, if you can find the "final concept art" for the Romulan War Bird, you'll see the original "hollow" space was supposed to have buildings and shit in it. It was quite literally a flying city in space. Which makes sense for how huge a War Bird is, those things could probably have crews upwards of 50,000 Romulans already.

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>>14789477
>the sexiest ship in Starfleet
Kirk/Spock is the sexiest ship

>>14815757
>>14815790
>>14815838
It always amazes me that Star Trek was this horrendous flop in the 60s when it came out, yet a decade later out of nowhere it became a global phenomenon.

>>14819338
Moon Landings, son.

>>14799945
It's not flat though, that's the thing, this thing is so fucking huge that "flat" disk is probably like 100 decks. Drexler said it had a crew probably near a million people.

What makes it look fucking dog shit though is the stretched texture, that' looks retarded.

>>14799807
I know everything about Star Trek, but I wouldn't call myself a Trekkie/Trekker though. Largely because I associate that more with the con-culture than people who are fans of the show and lore.

You wouldn't see me dead at a pop culture convention these days.

>>14819355
So it's basically the same problem the Enterprise-E has, where the saucer becomes completely two-dimensional at 3/4th's perspective, but on a larger scale? Good to know.

>>14819355
And then you see its canon size in STO and realize it's not even bigger than a star destroyer.

>>14816613
That's pretty much literally what the Ambassador class is for the Excelsior and Galaxy.

>>14819478
whats it called in STO?

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>>14819604
In STO it's a NPC ship in some of the new Agents of Yesterday missions. It's the Enterprise J

>>14819355
>Million people.
This pos doesn't look like it could fit 50k nvm a million people especially as Starfleet like roomie crew quarters.

>>14819756
>Okay Okay so we take the E and put a giant roller over it without changing the texture then glue the ugliest deflector we can to the front.

Why did anyone think using this design for anything was a good idea.

>>14819231
>>14819300
Most federation ships have a few hundred crew max so why the fuck would they stick a city on it especially after they realised how fucking stupid putting familes on ships that go into danger all the time was.

>>14814899
Scimitar could not only fire while cloaked but keep it's shields up. A few years earlier a Romulan cloak struggled with cloaking the Defiant because it had such a huge ass
power signiture for such a small ship.

Romulan's must have given the Defiant an older cloak or made a huge leap techwise.

>>14819231
>>14819318
Ultimately too risky, I'd imagine. It's a bad enough idea for exploration vessels that routinely get into fire fights with hostile aggressors to try it, but an actual war ship? You know exactly where an enemy would aim after the shields went offline.

>>14820059
I swear I recognize this texture from a Bridge Commander mod.

>>14819338

Trek was never a flop, it's just that it was too expensive for its apparent level of success (as measured by Neilsen ratings, which suck). It had a dedicated following that NBC didn't have the tools to measure properly.

I hae a pre beta account.

Its corporation owned now.

the 230$ I paid is now "Perks" totally bullshit..

Dont trust em

>>14820312
I liked STO but yeah it's been going down hill for awhile now.

>>14820213
>It had a dedicated following that NBC didn't have the tools to measure properly.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Lincoln_Enterprises
it also helped that Gene had his under-the-table employee Bjo Trimble organize the "fan" response

I recently deleted my google account honest.

They pushed to hard.

>>14819866
It would be entirely in-character for the Romulans to give the Federation one of their obsolete models.

>>14819756
Oh ok thanks! I've always liked the look of the J

>>14797528

From the top, the new Nautilus class in STO looks a lot like a new-gen Oberth. Not sure if I hate it or like the sense of continuity. Or both.

>>14814838

>tfw Starfleet Corps of Engineers builds their ships 5x the size because a Romulan mining vessel noms one of your explorers and then EATS an entire KDF border fleet
>We're going to need a bigger boat
>Vengeance class slightly bigger than refitted Odyssey

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Picked all these up from a comic shop the other day. I'm now addicted to Eaglemoss' Starship Collection line.

Already ordered NX-01 online since it wasn't at the shop.

Enterprise A best ship.

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>>14793285
Going strictly from my memory of the scene since I haven't watched it in years and not I'm not going to cheat by looking it up. Good way to test longer term memorial through visualization Wasn't it.

'The all has been compromised'
'I wonder how bad?'
'Connect Echo Bars'
'Alter Circuit A'
'Sensor'
'I'm as constant as the northern star!'
'I'd give real money if he'd shut up'
'plate please'
'plate'
'we got a heartbeat'
'Key please'
'key'
'Where's that damn torpedo!?'
'She's ready Jim! Lock and load!'
'Fire!'
'To be, or not. To be...'

>>14794270
>>14793733
>>14793736
That's because they only introduced the ship in the original movies and the next series was the TNG. Which took place at least 80 years afterwards and by then, they were obsolete like the Excelsior, so they were relegated to being transport ships. The Excelsiors got a bit more luck since they were still used as flagships for Admirals. Or because the budget didn't allow them to build a different ship and they reused the Excelsior model whenever an Admiral showed up

>>14794270
To be fair, the Reliant only had the upper hand early on because Khan was able to catch Kirk with his pants down and target all of the Enterprise's engineering section which knocked out its main and impulse power before managing to find a way out.

I think a good comparison in terms of ship types would be to say the Miranada class would be classified as a destroyer or light cruiser and the Constitution refit is a heavy cruiser.

>>14794350
The best way to describe the Miranda class is that it's a jack of all trades ship. To note, the roll bar with the photon torpedo launcher and the phaser banks (They are just normal phases, nothing upgraded) could be removed and replaced with something else. (Like ungraded sensor pods.) Also all of Star Fleet's ships were science vessels. It's just you'd be a damn fool not to have some weapons to defend yourself if things go south.

>>14800343
This is a constant for almost every board, even those like /v/, As long as you don't try to do really stupid things like defend Voyager or say the JJ Abrams movies were good.

>>14803592
>>14803666
>>14803758
>>14803896
Like in real life, it's not how many times a ship gets hit, but where it gets hit. A few things to note in regards to where the Reliant took damage. They were specifically aiming for that area. (I never knew what the window section that exploded was, it's deflector dish?) so that they could take out the Reliant's weapons, which they did. The second shot with the phasers didn't hit the bridge, but the area behind it. Which still caused a massive explosion on it. If the bridge took a direct hit, the hull breech would have sucked Khan and his bridge crew out into the nebula. Furthermore the phaser fire that hit the warp nacelle hit the inner part which caused the chain reaction to occur, where most times you see a warp nacelle take a hit, it's on the outer part section. Also to note, no matter where you hit a ship, it somehow causes parts of the bridge to and command consoles to explode. (See how the Enterprise's bridge burst into flames when they got hit by the torpedo)

As for the damage the Reliant did to the Enterprise in the Nebula. It only took out one of the torpedo bays, and caused a radiation leak in main engineering where (maybe it undid some of the short notice repairs from the previous battle?) Scotty had to take the mains and warp drive offline.

>>14814869
>>14814894
It wasn't the power source they were able to find. But Spoke and McCoy were able to use equipment meant to catalog gasses anomalies to modify a torpedo to detect the emissions the Bird of Prey was giving off As Uruaha said, 'the thing's gotta have a tail pipe' So it didn't lock onto the Bird of Prey's engine, but was following the engine exhaust which made it the heat seeking missile from hell.

Fuck i just got depressed in the /tg/ space ships thread because it reminded me of my dreams of ye olde ChapterMaster being modded into a Rogue Trader sim and now i see /m/ enjoying space too.

DAMMIT.

>>14822981
I love that the trend continues into STO.
over 110 years into the miranda base frame's useful lifespan it's now been relegated to something you can hand to Jr.grade Lts on the command track as "babby's first starships", utterly filled to the skeleton-crew level with utterly nameless redshirts.

Given the things are like 30 years beyond their maximum useful life, it's totally to the federation's advantage to do this, as best-case-scenario some promotions deserve a real ship, and more often than not, nothing of value was lost.

I imagine that's why the B'rel are still fielded en-mass in the klingon empire.

>>14805205
The lack of use of the Enterprise refit model was due to it's rig being unwieldy to use while filming something fixed with the later ILM models. The screen Ent-C was also altered from the probert version used on the first observation lounge wall that looked like an Excelsior class with Galaxy class features.as an midway point and an model was planned to be built as the "guest" ship model but to save costs they opted to just reuse the Film models and make the Fleet workhorse be Excelsior Class ships causing an apperence of an stagnated star-fleet.

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Who wants to be the guy that scratches the name Enterprise off this model?

>>14808264
The enterprise has those spikes in some of the stock shots made for the first pilot that they kept reusing because they were lazy.

>>14819355
A million people seems like a too many cooks in a kitchen scenario unless it was meant to be a colony ship.

Plus like others said looks nowhere near big enough to hold that many.

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>>14790464
>>14800686
>>14806567
>>14807367
>>14814532
My niggaz

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>>14824112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBmmlHR1Bwg

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>>14824165

>>14824232
What sort of life does this man live? He clearly destroys his pants and belt doing that so there is no way he can keep them up and have to walk around in his boxers now. Plus it was part of a matching suit so that is ruined too.

How does he intend to get home with no belt and a pants with a broken button and zipper? Cars are expensive in Japan and he's on the roof of a school.

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>>14824239
IIRC, he's a Golden Boy, so he'll be ok.

>>14824112
Fun fact: the squares added on both sides of the impulse engines were suposed to be shuttle bays, then turned into bigger impulse engines that now vent directly into the new bussard collectors.

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No love for the franklin?
Yeah the movie wasnt that good, but this ship was awesome.

>>14824363
That would be better.

>>14824328
Naw, I don't know what >>14824232 is from, but I'm 99% certain it's not Golden Boy

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>>14799141
>Lunar Lander
>no Space Shuttle Enterprise

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>>14804780

>>14808658
Good. Starships don't need to be sleek.

>>14824382
>movie wasn't that god

What are you talking about Beyond was great

>>14820312
You too? I thought I was the only one that got fucked like this.

>>14815838
>>14817250

One of the technical manuals does say that the TOS Connies have emergency ion thrusters in the nacelles, so the engineering hull can be used as a lifeboat in case of saucer separation.

>>14825020
Need, perhaps not.
But once your tech allows you to go with form without the cost of function, why not make it look good?

>>14824985
The Enterprise was the only Orbiter to never fly in space.
Also, the Lunar Landers are still the only manned vehicle to actually explore another astral body.

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>All speeds available through Transwarp drive

What an incredible machine.

>>14825020
May not serve any real practical purpose, but it looks great

>>14825020
>Good. Starships don't need to be sleek.

*pushes glasses up nose*

Well actually, ships equipped with the Slipstream Drive do need to be sleek

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>>14825262
but can that fatty do Warp 9.99?

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>>14825507
Sometimes substance is better than style and flashy gimmicks.

>>14825196
no shit. but with all those enterprises on screen, it would stand to reason to throw in the space shuttle

>>14825507
If i remember right that gimmick was dropped because it was easier to just build 3 small ships or one big one rather than screw around.

>>14813764
Where? You mean the turrets? Those are not the same.

>>14826446
STO has had fixed rapid fire pulse weapons since beta. Cannons have narrow firing arcs compaired to beam arrays in exchange for higher DPS.

Turrets fire pulses too but they have the lowest DPS with a 360 firing arc.

>>14826459
No they don't, I have been playing for three years, and the only time I have ever seen pulse style WOK phaser blasts was when they recently did their Kelvin Timeline Phaser Emitter Array with the Kelvin Timeline Lockbox.

>>14819231
If you go by the concept arts of Rich Sternback, there are areas of the ship that resemble a large shopping center very similar to the Promenade in DS9.

>>14819863
Tell that to the Vikings, they brought their families along with them when they were conquering entire empires.

>>14826573
>If you go by the concept arts of Rich Sternback, there are areas of the ship that resemble a large shopping center very similar to the Promenade in DS9.
And bowling alleys, and big water tanks for the whales.

>>14825705
>Style

But the Excelsior has that in spades anyways so it's moot.

>>14824382
>No love for the franklin?

As much as I want Jaylah serving on the Enterprise in the next movie, I'd love for the Franklin to be patched up and given back to her. It is her house after all.

>>14823122

There were multiple Constitution refit models. The "Hero" model, about 7 or 8 feet long, may have been awkward, but there was a smaller 2' model as well (actually, at least two smaller models, one disappeared without a trace after TMP, so a second one was built for TWoK and used through the rest of the film series, ultimately being auctioned off at the same time as the larger one a decade ago). And they weren't afraid to use retail model kits as shooting models when the need arose, not to mention that by the time DS9 got into its large-scale fleet battles they were transitioning to CGI and had to make meshes for everything anyhow, so making a Connie would hardly be beyond the pale (in fact, one was made for the TMP Director's Cut). So, no, the lack of use was purely an arbitrary administrative decision, nothing technical about it.

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>>14823024
>(I never knew what the window section that exploded was, it's deflector dish?)
Supposedly, this is an "impulse deflector crystal". It redirects plasma from the warp drive to power the impulse engines.