Fafner

Suffering, weird mech designs, bro-gay MCs, and pretty good action that gets better as the franchise goes on.
Don't take the first episodes as an indicator, they changed director midway through.
Left & Right is pure concentrated suffering.
Exodus is fantastic.

Also female pilots who are just as competent as their male counterparts.

Except Sakura, but her Father purposefully trained her wrong, as a joke.

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>>14775436
>>14775442
I see.

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>>14775396
>4:30 in there's a line where Maya talks in the BD version I have here with no subtitles showing up.
Is this an encoding fault or a sub error?

>>14775462
And again at 7:23! What the fuck gives?

>>14775462
I download those same subs. I don't remember how I fixed it, but it's not a problem with the subtitles, they're all there. Try fucking around with your video player or codecs or use a different player, I'm not really an expert on this sort of thing.

>>14775522
I'm using CCCP. I'm pretty sure I'm using the most updated version here. Such a strange issue.

>>14775526
>>14775522
Huh, it works fine with shitty VLC player but not CCCP? How do I fix that? I'm not particularly technically minded when it comes to codecs or shit like that, hence leaning on CCCP usually to avoid VLC.

Serously this is weird.

Try using MPC's built-in subtitle renderer, under playback options.

If I remember right that fixed it for other anons in the past.

>>14775542
Which option is this?

>>14775549
View > Options > Playback > Use the built-in subtitle renderer

Don't forget to close and reopen the player after.

>>14775554
That seemed to have done the trick, thank you.

>>14775571
Enjoy the suffering.

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>>14775574
I love despair and suffering.

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Ouch.

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>>14775396
>what am I in for

A pretty shitty first half that seemingly wants to be an Eva-clone, while at the same time actively trying to never explain anything to the audience aside from cryptic hints or asides.

Good thing they fired the first writer.

>>14775602
First episode seems fine so far.

>>14775602

In fairness, the first half of season 1 is deliberately structured so that you only know as much of what's going on as Kazuki does. And since Kazuki knows jack shit, you're left in the dark until a character goes "Oh here's the deal on EVERYTHING"

>>14775542

This. I had a million problems until I found out that CCCP is actually fucking with shit nowadays.

Just use MPC in the newest version, it has built-in codecs that do the same thing that CCCP does, but without CCCP fucking with it. So just delete CCCP.

>>14775647
Err I mean delete MPC and CCCP, then download just on its own the newest version of MPC, so that it's a clean version with no interference.

>>14775396
>what am I in for
Console SRW never ;_;

This is the only franchise I know where the mech animation actually improved in switching to full CG models.

>>14775831
But why would I want assimilation to come to me?

I'm on to you golden fucks.

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>>14775831
Did she die?
>>14775668
Majestic Prince's CGI was pretty great but then again it was CGI from the start. I think TE did CGI action well too; or at least both stood the test of time better then VVV, Gargantia, and especially A/Z's use of it.

>>14775831
もしもし フェスタムちゃん

マークニヒトです

>>14775849
>Did she die?
Yeah.

Poor Kuramae, couldn't even make it to episode 2.

>>14775867
So those singularities the Festum create, are they supposed to be like artificial black holes? Or are they just teleporting people away? Because the chick with her fell head first partway in and you can still hear her screaming despite dimensional or whatever wankery.

Kind of reminds me of the voids and how they were used by the Vong in EU.

>>14775871
>you can still hear her screaming
If anything that might just be an artifact of this being the first episode, and the way things work wasn't fully fleshed out. Never actually occurred to me though.

Otherwise they're called Worm Spheres, and yeah essentially instant black holes. It's implied they're another way for Festum to assimilate targets, you'll hear more about assimilation in a few episodes.

>>14775849
Eh, maybe for AZ and Gargantia unless someone produces interview material explaining otherwise, but with VVV there was one very valid reason CGI was utilized for the mecha, one that was mentioned in at least one interview source (ASSUMING I CAN EVER FIND IT AGAIN; IT'S THE ONE WHERE STAFF ARE SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW WHILE FIDDLING WITH THE MODEL KIT FOR HITO):

CGI in an otherwise traditionally animated work is absurdly good at hijacking the viewer's attention and thus functions as a very efficient tool for controlling the viewer's focus. So even if it isn't the sharpest most fluid liquid diarrhea movement with high end 4k textures, it serves a very meaningful role in visual direction and composition.

Just saying.

A lot of people don't seem to be interested in what makes CGI work (or not) in anime beyond the arbitrary notions of IT SHOULD LOOK SMOOTH or IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE 2D ANIMATION, but it can be a hell of a lot more complex than just the technical aspect.

>>14775871
They create wormholes that will rip apart anything not festum, the festum themselves can use it to teleport along with Sein and Nicht that that one fafner the lion boy pilots that got a watered down version of that power

>>14775871
You soon will learn that Worm Spheres mean death.

>>14776187
Did Sein really do much worm stuff? No doubt it could but I don't remember much, compared to Soushi having a fucking ball with them.

>>14776206
Sein only used it to comeback from Festum kingdom while Nicht used it for everything and the kid used it to teleport everywhere

>>14775871
Basically they're Festums Instant gib against most conventional weapons. A part of the reason why they use Fafners instead of planes is that Fafners can tank them better for reasons that will be explained

>>14775396

You will come to love near every character [that ISN'T fucking Yukie] and then know the pain of watching them struggle.

>>14776397
>every character that isn't fucking Yukie

Wow anon, no need to single out Soushi's dad like that.

Post webms

>>14775522
>>14775526
>>14775530
>>14775542
>>14775554
>>14775648
Wait now that I did this, for any other show I watch if I save a screencap, the subtitles are never in the screenshot. This is frustrating.

>>14775871
They're not black holes. They kill people, but they aren't gravity-based. They more like wormholes to the nothingness dimension, if that makes any sense. Sort of like spheres of annihilation in D&D.

>>14776557
Yep, so messed around with some of the external filters for MPC/CCCP like with VobSub. Either I get a) perfectly working subtitles but nothing saved in my screencaps or b) miss one line in a blue, there was no middle ground.

So I guess I'll just use VLC player for it instead.

>>14775849

I just mean that the actual drawn mechs in Fafner were never animated all that great. At least they were always on-model with CG.

>>14775952
>VVV there was one very valid reason CGI was utilized for the mecha
Because the staff was incapable(not competent enough) to do regular animation. They literally said that 2D was too hard for them. So they made ugly and badly animated cgi instead.

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Maya a cute!

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>>14775396
>Hirai: Muv-Luv
is Hirai: Muv-Luv to Muv-Luv Alternative what Gundam 0079 is to Gundam 00?

or is there any connection at all - cuz they seem connected

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>>14777473
I was going by suffering commentary when I said that.

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>>14777480

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>>14777488
w-well that's helluva climax

>>14777499
>>14777473
What is this thing?

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>>14777510
something you will take responsibility for r-right anon?

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>>14777530

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>>14777392
Maya is for PTSD

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>>14777552
PTSD?

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>>14776831
>At least they were always on-model with CG.

Good usage of CG knows when to deform models depending on camera angles. Good shit from Orange to know to do that.

>>14777392
>>14777552
If I give her the D, will she get better?

>>14775396
An aggressively mediocre first half of a first season that turns into a decent show and a great second season.

>>14777651
I'd believe it if not for the fact that if it were any studio but Orange people would bitch at it to reinforce the FUCK CGI narrative, so nah it's gotta be something else.

I think it's texture shading. Texture shading ties to the art direction and overall look of a show and the look of a show sells harder than the technique of animation utilized.

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>>14777709
For sure.

>>14777651

What I mean is there were no QUALITY moments

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Aww

>>14778270
Welcome to Fafner, where 95% of everyone's parents actually care about their kids.

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>>14778287

>>14778287
Heck the parents were the best thing about the show.

Not asking for spoilers but are there going to be deaths in Fafner season 1 that will upset me?

>>14778372
It's definitely the kind of show that makes character deaths hurt.

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>>14778408
I hope the ones I get emotionally invested in don't suffer that fate.

>>14778372
Anonymous

When the second season of the show aired last year, we made a bingo card of all the characters we thought had a chance of dying.

We got a bingo on it.

>>14778434
I see.

>>14775442
>Except Sakura, but her Father purposefully trained her wrong, as a joke.
Wait wha?

>>14775867
I will never forgive the sheer cruelty in Kuramae's name.

>>14778429
I'm sorry to say this, anon, but you're in for a rough time, no matter who you think you will/won't like. The show is going to get you invested in the characters, and then it'll start cranking up the suffering and despair. And it's going to hurt.

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>>14777552
It feels physically painful looking at this picture

>>14779145
What am I missing?

>>14779143
They're saying she's a shitty pilot, anon.

>>14779177
Kuramae (蔵前) is composed out of the kanji for "warehouse" and "before".
And if you interpret warehouse as hangar, well...

>>14779186
And she was so close too.

Well at least she got one launch in Mark Zwei. With nothing to do.

>>14779186
The beauty of the Japanese language (hell it's probably the whole scope of CJK languages) is that it allows for names that also carry a meaning, which allows for a lot of nuanced wordplay.

Though I dunno if it's as transparently retarded for native speakers as it would be for an English speaker to look at a character named Mason who spends a lot of time punching rocks or some other stoneworkery shit.

>>14779215
Reminder that Kodate Mamoru is straight up "Little shield that protects"

>>14778372

The joke character. You'll know when you see him.

>>14779270
But Kenji hasn't died yet.

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>>14779149

>>14779149
Basically this. Then Exodus comes around and Soushi starts his fucking monologues of doom.

post some webms familia

>>14779215
>The beauty of the Japanese language (hell it's probably the whole scope of CJK languages) is that it allows for names that also carry a meaning

In fairness most languages do, it's just that the asiatic languages haven't forgotten what the meanings of those names are. Go on, google your first name and see where its origin came from. Mine (William) means Resolute Protector in German.

>>14779818
Or rather, the name in its origin is meant to represent that concept, I mean.

>>14779785
This please.

>>14779818
I must've forgotten the other part of my post, which goes something like
>contrast with English which can involve traversing several languages to pin down the etymological origin

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>>14779739
Chuuni Soushi is the best thing from Exodus

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>>14779785
>>14779826

>>14779842
Sure, he was good, but this >>14780124 was Exodus best thing. She's alive and well. No, I don't care abut your "logic." ;_;

>>14780124
>>14779842
Soushi went on HRT?

>>14779842
>chuuni

How did I not notice it? It's so obvious with how he talks when in Nicht.

>>14776187
But how was the one lady still screaming while her upper body was engulfed in it? Was her upper half just teleported into a different location in some meat vaporizing dimension?

>>14782197
Wormspheres are a different form of assimilation. She was screaming because she was being assimilated that's why we could hear it.

>>14782197
You can chalk it up to "we just started and we don't really have a clear idea of how these things work." Sometimes Worm Spheres leave an afterglow that is clearly meant to be molt metal, and sometimes they don't.

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>>14779842
SOON YOU SHALL KNOW THE DESPAIR OF NOT CONVENIENTLY HAVING A VENDING MACHINE DOWN THE CORRIDOR FROM YOUR ROOM!

Even as a chuu2 he was still full on sperg.

>>14779842
Him dropping the Spaghetti in S1 was the cutest shit ever.

>>14779739
Soon you will understand that I'm secretly a hobbo drunk out of my mind

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Cute!

Hey guys, subfag here.
Got swamped with several exams and then projects.
Physics is fun but chaotic.

I will have everything done and uploaded next week. Short couple day break.

Pls forgive me.

>>14784552
Is it about BDs?

>>14785309
Yes.

>>14785486
No spoilers!

>>14789392
No Keiths allowed.

>>14787514

Man, Akira was the official chew toy in Exodus.

I'm watching it too.

Why is Sakura the best girl?

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>>14789701
>Sakura
>best
Don't worry, anon. You'll realize the error of your ways soon enough. Sakura's pretty good, though. Nothing against her, it's just that the competition has her outclassed.

Just started this also after Gundam X. So far 4 episodes in, and watched ep 10 by accident but nothing happens in it so meh.

Can definitely see why people would call it an Evaclone. Hate how shit the character designs are and how cheap and washed out everything looks, the typical early 2000s look for anime. Dislike the angst.

Like the Marx XI, looks sorta mechanical and practical, like the ship thing that carried it in ep4. Really intrigued so far, it does a better job of baiting you into its mysteries than Rahxephon did.

>>14790003
>So far 4 episodes in, and watched ep 10 by accident but nothing happens in it so meh.

Funnily it's right after that, that shit starts happening

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>>14790003

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>>14790003
The show begin to get good at episode 12 since they changed the director there. Just keep going, if the show doesn't click for you around episode 15 then drop it.

>>14790189
They never changed the director. They "changed" the lead writer, but I suspect that a lot of the first half was mostly written by Ubukata anyway.

Feels kinda weird to have people say to stick through the first half, because I liked the show from the start.

>>14790200
It was ok for me but I can see why people would drop it there.

>>14790200
Same here. But large portions of /m/ have pretty consistently shown in recent years that they can't tolerate shows holding back information. If a show doesn't infodump the entire plot and setting within the first few episodes, you can be sure that people will start complaining.

>>14790193
The afterword for the LN does make it seem like Ubukata was brought in from the start, but he also mentions he was a newbie in anime production at the time.

I would guess either he himself or higher-ups didn't feel comfortable with him being lead writer with so little experience, so he probably provided input on the side until he took over completely.

>>14790200
Dude, I love the first half of the show. It has so many subtle things that you'll only realize later on.

Like the fact that Fumihiko being unable to tell Kazuki about the assimilation phenomenon back in episode 2 is basically what makes all the adults decide not to say anything until Sakura actually vegetable out, since he was the Commander and that pretty much made it a Unspoken rule

The problem with the first half is that a lot of people have Eva stuck so far up their ass that anything remotely resembling it in any way is judged to some insane standard. Add with that Hirai's artstyle which is synonymous with Gundam SEED and you've got a show that is a fucking kryptonite to casuals trying to get in.

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>>14790189
just saw this bitch explode, that was nice. I'm having fun so far just not loving yet.

>>14790312
I didn't miss her, she was insufferably pure and too good for this sinful world.

>>14790200

The first half is far better on a rewatch, when you actually know what's going on, then the first time. The first time is mostly just confusing and seemingly aimless.

I love the personality shifts the pilots go through when they are in the Fafners. Maya's especially was kinda hot.

GOUBAIIIIIINNN

OP here, please at least spoiler this stuff.

Not OP but I actually literally just finished the first season just now.

I think it was a total wild ride at like episode 16 or so because did not stop and just went straight through to the end

>>14791767
That's pretty much it.
Once you hit episode 16 you've learned enough about the world to get a kind of feel for the setting and since the Island has enough manpower to properly defend itselfwe're actually able to settle into observing the Island function. And you're tricked into thinking the peace will last, just like everyone on the Island is because they've wanted to ignore the elephant in the room and you remember how fragile everything was, which was what the first part of the series established. That you'd taken the peace in the latter part of the series for granted DESPITE the fact that the series opened up basically telling you that shit was fucked

>>14791767
What was the best episode and why was it 18?

Personally, I'm really fond of episode 24 as well, but that's mostly because I'm a sucker for that particular kind of "uneasy calm before the final battle" kind of episode, and the tone they took for it.

>>14791937
Ah yeah, the I am Spartacus episode. That was pretty great

>>14775602
I found it funny that the moment Fafner stopped being an Eva clone was when it went full Eva in episode 16.

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>>14781365

>4chan is in turmoil and Hiroyuki might just be getting ready to turn this site isn't something unrecognizable

I don't want to lose the only place where I can talk about Fafner

>>14794457
What is going on?

>>14794517
Hiroyuki violated Global Rule 13 to make money and is now pretending that 4chan is "too expensive" to keep going unless he fucks with 4chan more makes 4chan Gold Accounts a non-ironic joke anymore.

It's becoming more evident that everything said about him is true and that his "bad english" is an act he puts on to try and endear us to him and make it so he can pretend he doesn't know what he's doing.

He wants to make a living off 4chan, and is going to bring about the sites self destruction faster by doing so.

He is the Keith of 4chan.

>>14794531
There are always other image boards but I guess it might be hard to get the 40 people from this thread to move all to another one.

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>>14794457
You better ready yourself, its only going to get worse

>>14794517
We trusted the Japanese Jew

It won't matter. No one on this site has any loyalty, he'll kill it quickly if he does what he's thinking of.

>>14794721
I honestly think killing the site quickly would be the best outcome for us the users, its best for it to end fast than to make it a slow and protracted suffering

>>14794736
>>14794721
>>14794692

trust the chink, he will pull through.

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>>14794757
>moot never makes profit off 4chan
>hiro buys it
>tries to make money off 4chan
>doesn't work
>guys I am sorry I have to shut this down

I don't see the chances of hiro closing /m/, or any of the other boards I care about. He has been relatively scandal free, compared to moot, and surprising considering his background, so people might be more willing to contribute and buy 4chan passes especially if he puts them on sale

I miss Exodus

Yo /faf/, should 4chan become kill, I will put the subs in the great mega link.

As for a possible place to discuss Fafner if 4chin becomes kill, what about that wiki that got started last fall? I don't know if it can support a discussion page, but it might be a decent place to have a bulletin of sorts until another avenue is found

Yo /faf/, should 4chan become kill, I will put the subs in the great mega link.

As for a possible place to discuss Fafner if 4chin becomes kill, what about that wiki that got started last fall? I don't know if it can support a discussion page, but it might be a decent place to have a bulletin of sorts until another avenue is found

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I don't think I can keep watching this

>>14796015
>ureshii
STOP

Why aren't you using [Festum]?

>>14795898
>>14795899
It wouldn't work.

Outside of Japan we're a minority of a minority. We discuss Fafner because this is the only place to discuss Fafner and other stuff as well. I couldn't see myself going to a Fafner only board.

All other websites are tainted by userbases filled with casuals and legacy systems that will defend those casuals against actual arguments.

Can't you picture it? You go to some site like MAL and go into a mecha thread and talk about Fafner, and then some fag whose only watched Eva, IBO and Gurren Lagann comes in and shits on you. So you take apart his post and defend Fafner and you insinuate that Fafner does somethings better than that show and then suddenly you've got all these rabid fans with empty arguements dogpiling you until you get a fucking warning from a Mod for causing a "flame war" and the last post in the thread before it's locked is

"I really liked Gundam SEED Destiny so I tried to give this Fafnir show a shot but it just wans't that good"

>>14796026
Well I already saw it. Whoops.

What release should I be using for Heaven and Earth then?

>>14796285
Daman is """ok""", but you'll definitely need the sub file that isn't a pile of horseshit...which I don't have.

>>14795898
Why not just make a /fafner/ vb forum?

>>14796253
Yknow some people are actually open minded and not the embodiment of entrenched opinions like you fear.

Fucking wave the olive branch as hard as you can, coexistence may be a pipe dream but just because there's hostiles out there doesn't mean you should give up and assume failure is the only thing that awaits you.

>>14796285
Daman is fine. Use these subs instead of the ones that comes with it.

https://a.pomf.cat/miumbf.ass

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>>14796341
GEE
WE ALL SAW HOW WELL THAT WORKED OUT DIDN'T WE?

>>14796253
>>14796316
>>14796341
I was throwing something out there.
I don't really have a preference or anything, but if somehow we can keep "the community" together in some small regard might be worthwhile.

>>14796363
What community? I'm already consumed by hate.

You can always have an undying thread on fufufu.

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GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD

>>14801148
>Soushi in the sky
>Kazuki on the earth
>this was the last time they met as friends
It's like pottery

>>14801148
Now you must prepare yourself
To watch Fafner ascend to the NEXT LEVEL

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>>14796357

>That horrible moment whenhis dad finally gets the box

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All you people acting as if this show is good, bitch please only the original was good and the others are alright or not very good

I just started watching as well and I'm on episode 8.

Will Kouyou get better and stop acting like a bitch or will he keep yelling at the MC and Shoushi the entire season?

>>14803179
Give it another episode or so, you're literally right before he gets some development.

>>14803175
I've just started watching Exodus so I can't comment but Heaven and Earth was fucking great, I don't know what you're talking about.

Right of Left was just okay

>>14803179
>Koyou
OH BOY

>>14803231
>I've just started watching Exodus
OH BOY

And clearly not that anon, but honestly if I had to pick HaE would be the closest thing to a "least good" entry the series has. It could've used just a slightly extended runtime to let the pacing breathe a little. But ultimately it's still Fafner so I could sit down right fucking now and enjoy it.

>>14803231
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=686960
By the way if you haven't got it, there's an extended version of the first Exodus episode. It has some extra important plot stuff and more of Soushi being best girl.

The sub anon might have a more manageably-sized version, but I don't have the Mega link handy.

Reminder Soushi's birthday is in 2 months and we might get some announcement

Did they move /m/ in the catalog further down the boards?

>>14775396
OP here, gonna start episode 3 later tonight.

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>>14805375
Wonder why their so afraid of the UN finding and locating them.

>>14806109
Anon, is there any, ANY mecha anime where the UN or the Neo UN are not assholes?

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>>14806109
Some people just don't want share in based Hester's GLORIOUS vision for the future.

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>>14806138
>Anon, is there any, ANY reality where the UN are not assholes?
ftfy

>>14806156
NOTHUNG MODEL

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>>14806109
>>14806138
>>14806156
UN are good guys though.

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>>14806176
kek

>>14806179
Go away dark haired Kei. Izuru is not in this thread.

>>14806184
Kei's chin isn't as pointy.

...s-sup Keifag?

>>14806179
I really do like Sakura and Maya a lot so far though. Maya with that genki spirit and Sakura with that coolness and bro-tier personality.

>>14806194
>Sakura with that coolness and bro-tier personality.
tbqh all of the Fafner girls are pretty solid. Rina is a bitch, but she grows up. It's cool to watch.

>Maya with that genki spirit
Anon, I...

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>>14806203
>these fuckers

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>>14806203
W-what?

>>14806214
SOON™

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>>14806222
No bully the Maya.

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>>14806191
>Keifag
I'm not him and my MJP waifu is Rin.

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>Somebody is getting into EXODUS
Oh boy, I can't wait to see OP's reaction when he see THAT

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2spooky4me

Wait a second, when and how did Soushi's father die? I don't remember seeing it in episode 2.

>>14806282
He launched the railgun to Kazuki's Elf and go worm Sphere'd

I hope Exodus' sequel will have the old cunt being nuked. To say that she deserves it is an understatement.

>>14806436
will there be a new season? the exodus ending was a pretty big letdown for me

>>14807053
We don't know at this point. But some sort of big announcement is happening on December 27th, most people are hoping for a movie.

Exodus' ending did have its downsides, but thankfully nobody's being a baby about it.

>>14806436
Technically she saved the world with her nukes.

>>14806210
Oh boy it's best parents

>>14807129
She was a hero for the wrong reasons. I still want to know what's the deal with her obsession with Maya.

>>14807324
Well, there's no doubt she would've tried to convert anyone else the same way, she needed a Tatsumiya kid for Raison, and Maya was the one that got captured. Maya had also killed NUN soldiers, which Hester at least attempted to use as a shitty excuse for blackmail.

More importantly there was the personal connection too, Hester knew Bartland and probably knew about Maya's piloting aptitude, and the fact that she was the first choice for Nicht. All this in the form of a tortured young girl that Hester apparently sees some of herself in, and here we are.

If we ever get a movie sequel I hope Maya is a MILF.

>>14807369
That won't happen unless Kazuki fucked her, and he's part Festum now. It was a stretch before, now? It's almost impossible.

>>14807371
She has been chasing his dick for years, it's time to move one. She can marry some other guy and start a family.

>>14807373
She didn't move on, anon. That's the point. Now she even has all that guilt and PTSD. She won't be fucking anyone.

Who /shoko/ here?

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>>14808064
Nobody, because she's dead
And her VA is dead too

>>14808144
Why did they never explain what was wrong with her in the anime?

>>14808418
Right of Left mentioned that it was some kind of anemia, if memory serves.

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>>14808064
>>14808144
>>14808418
>>14808501

>>14808501
And in the book they said there's something wrong with her liver, so which one is it?

>>14808549
OP, maybe don't come back until you've finished?

/faf/ usually is pretty spoiler friendly, but well, we do discuss things.

>>14808549
>>14808664
Also, to add, if a work is actually /good/ you should be able to watch it with spoilers.
Shit that relies on tweests and the like aren't very good. Luckily, Fafner avoids that for the most part.

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>>14808664
>>14808676
I mean its fine as long as if you guys kept that stuff spoilered or whatever.

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>>14806191
>...s-sup Keifag?

I actually haven't seen all of Fafner yet

I suppose I should get on that

>>14808676
People like to not know the journey ahead of time.

To this day people still like to pretend the last character you get in Xenoblade is some big ass surprise, but then again I think for that it's more of a meme to not divulge who it is.

Also a twist in of itself isn't bad just because it's a twist. It's a tool, a tool has no nature, it can't be inherently bad, it can only be poorly utilized (a subjective issue in its own right but whatever).

Plus it's a tool that fits into the above issue of knowing the journey ahead of time: a predictable narrative can be detrimental even if it's well written, as the payoff for seeing it through the first time is significantly reduced if you know where it's going.

Long story short, for the first pass through a show it's more enticing to know as little as possible of what the story entails, and for the show to cultivate mystery and attention hooks however it feels. On the second pass, you can invest more time into appreciating the ebb and flow of the journey, stuff like twists and ambiguous writing no longer really existing because you now have the full knowledge of events.

>>14809073
Your essay is boring and pointless and make me want to post the twist to Persona 5 just to upset people

So are there subs for Exodus BDs past 15? Because I have all the episodes but only up to 15 in subs.

>>14809096

Not him but don't you fucking dare. I've managed to stay clean so far.

>>14809096

Don't be a dick

>>14809100
>>14809102
I won't, but his essay reeked so much pretentious it made me want to.

Good shit is good shit regardless of spoilers. That's why I won't post P5's.

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>>14809100
>So are there subs for Exodus BDs past 15?
This week.

>>14809096
>>14809109
Wow rude!

But I agree, spoilers shouldn't break an experience. Say what you will about Nolan, but if you said TWIN about The Prestige, the movie would still be good, imo. Same could be said for The Usual Suspects.
The Village is poop.

>>14809109
>>14809096
Man fuck you, I spent time trying to write something that wouldn't come off as a shitpost and you just go "lawl too long and pretentious" like that?

I'm sorry, did I violate the "you must be this lacking in eloquence" rule or something? Was I supposed to feign retardation here?

>>14809174
Not to mention Fight Club (which, as they say, you don't talk about).

>>14809174
Eh I'd argue the Prestige takes a hit if you knew about how the trick worked before your first watch, what with it being the driving mystery of the film.

The character drama surrounding it is great but like any magic trick once you know how it works it kinda becomes a pile of WOW ITS FUCKING NOTHING, and leaves you with great character drama built up over WOW ITS FUCKING NOTHING.

>>14809178
>I spent my time

I don't care about you. Your words failed to move me or change my time. Your content was inadequate to move me to your viewpoint and was a waste of my time.

Give me back the thirty seconds I wasted reading that slop.

>>14809224
>being team Borden
Who /teamangier/ here?

Honestly the wow the fuck did he frame Borden part, would be much more damaging in my opinion, but that's not really a twist, so much as one reveal.
It's built up and foreshadowed before you even get there. Remember the cat?

>>14809235
It swiftly recontextualizes the chain of events that preceded the revelation. That's a twist by my count.

I'll be honest I can't even remember who is who, I just remember that there's an entire philosophical can of worms opened up by that copy-teleporter that the film doesn't really touch on.

And that explaining the trick makes you realize how far past a point of no return the game of oneupsmanship has gone.

>>14809258
Oh wait shit reading comprehension, the murder thing is... well I don't think it's much in the way of twist or reveal. It's just HERE IS MY PLAN TO RUIN YOUR LIFE AS YOU RUINED MINE antagonist(?) monologing.

Chekov's gun / payoff of foreshadowing, in other words. Twist is in play for the magic trick at the root of it all though.

it's a shame there's no offical art

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>>14810497
Well there's been the occasional magazine spread every now and then.

No Megami-style lewd pinups though. Real lost opportunity desu.

The UN did nothing wrong

>>14775396
A masterpiece, you'll have to sit through the first half of season 1 though

>>14778495
You WILL see and it will hurt

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>>14780471
You are still welcome anon, my failed prophecies saved her life ....... somewhat.
>>14780124

so I started season and it's a bit of a drag so far. Around what point do things kick off?

>>14812907
For that, you're going to need to play the Fafner drinking game.

>>14812907
>season
which season?

>>14812913

season 1

>>14812912

Im already a bit drink but do elaborate

>>14812920
In that case, episode 6. There's a steady tick from there until it really hits overdrive around episode 16.

>>14812907
>>14812924
For reference too, there's a transition to a new writer starting at episode 12, and really cementing at 15.

There's some good stuff before that (10 is a personal favorite), but the plot really gets going halfway through.

>>14778434
You just sold me on watching this.

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>>14813135
Here's the bingo card for when you get to Exodus.

Don't open it until you've finished the first series and the movie.

Then you too can play along while you watch!

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Okay four episodes in and here's my beef.

Im all for a slow burn and taken time to set up your world and establish stakes and the setting. I get you're not gonna explain the mysteries immediately, that's cool.

But can you at least introduce the main characters in a way that establishes a sense of character and their relationships? All I know is that they're classmates and that's it.

I know fuck about the island's normal life, I don't know shit about who Kazuki is or why Shoko might be sweet on him. I get that he's probably an okay guy how he tried to save those UN guys but not being cold enough to let people die doesn't really tell me what his own goals, likes dreams etc are. What's his relationship with his dad like?

It's basically been him and this guy looking at each other quietly. I don't think Kazuki's said a paragraph's worth of lines

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Kondou best boy.

>>14813246
Yep. That's about the gist of it.

Pretty much everyone feels pretty similarly.

>>14813251
There's no best character on Fafner. Only suffering

>>14813264

Yeah, Im not really confused by anything, I follow what's going on fine but Im just not really sure why I should care.

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Here, I was bored. So all you new watches can have something fun.

>>14813246
The thing with Fafner is that it's mostly an ensemble cast. The opening of the series is disorienting because you have no idea who these people are yet.

And that plays into the early theme of Kazuki's character because as things continue on, you'll understand that Kazuki has no idea who he is either.

Basically you've been thrown into a world in just the same way as most of the younger characters are, everything is strange and new and you don't understand the people aren't telling you things because either they can't bring themselves to or would rather you don't know.

It's ironic, the point in the show where everyone says it reaches the real turning point is when Kazuki actually self actualizes who he is because at that point that's when everyone else has.

>What's his relationship with his dad
That's part of Fumihiko character arc, which once again boils down to Fumihiko basically being lost which you'll learn.

The Adults are just as lost as the kids in this show at the start because their best laid plans have fallen apart and they're scrambling to salvage everything while trying to maintain the way of life you'll learn they fought for.

The Island is in a growing phase. It's learning to be a community in this new world.

That's why people like Fafner's first part better on rewatches, because you know who these characters are and what their reasoning's are.

>>14813246
>What's his relationship with his dad like?
All their interactions after the first couple episodes are basically gold, if it's any consolation.

And yeah, sadly for now you'll just have to give it time. Things DO unravel and you get to see how some of the more central relationships work, especially Kazuki and Soushi's history that they're frustratingly cryptic about early on.

In a lot of ways the kids start out as exceedingly average, well, kids. So for now "classmates" is about all they are really, everyone sort of knows eachother sure, but are still mostly split off into smaller groups until things start getting worse.

>>14813329
>Akira
Okay this is pretty good.

>>14813319
You know, you might like watching Right of Left before you carry on.
I wouldn't recommend it, but it could work for you.

The show doesn't really hit its tonal center until like episode 6.

For now just watch it, the caring will come later.

>>14813329
Delet your image and post it with a spoiler!

>>14813336
I'm personally laughing my ass off at a certain column. That cheeky fucker

>>14813342
It's unfilled anon, they specified it's for new viewers.

>>14813246
You're not wrong. The first half is indeed a struggle to get through, which is why Fafner is so underwatched and easily dropped. Just got to power through it, and maybe, maybe rewatch it when you're finished with everything else.

>>14813346
FUCK. I thought the middle one was cruel, but holy shit. That's subtle.

>>14813372
The fake out column is meant to give the new viewer a sense of relief at the lowest point of the show. To increase the optimism and hope.

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My conspiracy theory:

Xebec makes a lot of fan service shows to fund Fafner.

>>14813332
>>14813329
>>14813354

Thanks for the info. Knowing it should eventually click is refreshing to hear.

>>14813420
Fafner SoL spinoff when?
;_;

>>14813420
Moreso their mecha shows in general, but that seems pretty likely.

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>>14813680
But you got your Fafner Sliced on Life anime already

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>>14813680

>>14813246
>Kazuki
You don't know anything about who he is because he doesn't know anything about who he is. That's his first arc. Trying to figure it out
>Shoko
She's just a fairly simple character whose major purpose is that among a lot of the cast who have no idea what to do in the early part of the show, she actually knows who she is, knows what she wants, and will go after it. The learning of the truth of the world didn't shake her at all.
>UN Guys
As you'll progress through the series, you'll see the consequences of this action and depending on how you interpret things might blame a lot of stuff that happens later on Kazuki for saving them and on the Islanders for not properly explaining WHY they intended to do this.
>Kazuki and Fumihiko
Remember episode two where Fumihiko was looking at the picture of his wife and crying? That was him resolving himself because he'd been put into a position of power he didn't want and that because he was the defacto leader of the island, he couldn't do anything to try and stop Kazuki from piloting without compromising his ability to get anyone elses kids to pilot which they needed. So he doesn't feel like he can be a father for Kazuki anymore. His character arc is learning to be a leader in the way that sits well with him

>>14813909
Will Kazuki raise him to not be a turbo autist

>>14813909
>>14814216
Fumihiko is probably wondering how the hell he became a grandpa when Kazuki has never even kissed a girl

>>14814068
>You don't know anything about who he is because he doesn't know anything about who he is.

That's honestly one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

>>14814275
It's true though. At the start of the series Kazuki's aimless, purposeless and hung up on an event in his past that he's not quite ready to face up to.

He's been thrown into a strange new world that looks similar to his old one, told to pilot a giant robot and the only people who'll talk to him are just as clueless as he is.

His Mom's dead.
His Dad has distanced himself from him because he's now in charge of this community and his own nature is warring with the nature he feels he needs to have to keep the island alive.
And Soushi, the one guy with any answers basically just wants him to shut up and do what he's told.

>>14813246
I feel like there was some childhood flashbacks desperately missing from this entire series in general

>>14814068
>You don't know anything about who he is because he doesn't know anything about who he is. That's his first arc. Trying to figure it out

Even if that's the case you need to establish that he's lost and confused about things. As it stands he mostly just walks around mutter "Hmm" "yeah" "okay Soushi" while staring blankly ahead.

The viewer needs to connect with him on some level or at least understand what he's going through. He's completely blank to the point where he barely exists

>>14814988
Once again, it's set up that works perfectly after you get the pay off.

>He's completely blank to the point where he barely exists

That's the POINT. In the context of the series, he's no different than a Festum.

I think I'm getting what you're overlooking or what a lot of people overlook. People think Kazuki is the main character and should be the focus of everything so they're put off that they don't really know him in the early episodes.

But Kazuki isn't the main character. The main character of the show is the Island as a whole. So people who are trying to connect to the show through Kazuki aren't able to because his actual character arc and development doesn't start until a good 8 or 9 episodes in.

>>14815024
>bullshit: the post

I'm not a new viewer, but I don't agree with this notion that Kaz is blank and not supposed to be anything.

He's just a kid that's got some issues. It takes him a pretty good while to work them out.

>>14815024

It doesn't matter what THE POINT is if you don't convey it well. I have no reason to think Kazuki is anything beyond a normal high schooler and at that a very bland uninteresting one main character status or otherwise.

>>14815056
>>14815056
>No arguement the post

>>14815074
>I have no reason to think Kazuki is anything beyond a normal high schooler

He was raised on a floating island ship, is able to pilot a giant robot on his first go, chosen specifically over all the other kids, while not explain, Tomi's mom clearly indicates something is up with him after he pilots and clearly has some issues with Soushi. You're argument doesn't hold water. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it true.

>>14815067
That's not really what I'm saying. I'll try to be more clear. What I meant was that Kazuki early on acts just like a Festum. For the most part he just takes orders and does what he's told. The instances where he doesn't are the instances where his personality shows through and him self actualizing.

>>14779177
Her name means "dies before reaching the hangar"

All the Fafner names have meaning, TE spoiler guy posted all of them before but the dead archives ate up his post.

>>14815109

Expect he didn't know shit about any of that shit either. He didn't know about Fafner, he didn't know about the island he didn't know about the Festum or anything.

For all accounts he's a normal kid thrust into an abnormal situation.

>>14815320
>For all accounts he's a normal kid thrust into an abnormal situation.
This here tbqh. The whole point of Tatsumiyajima was to make sure he (and the other children) didn't know--until of course they had to know.

>>14815320
That's not what you were bitching about. You're were saying you had no indication that Kazuki was special, when the show tells you it is.

Just because Kazuki isn't aware of it doesn't mean it's not true. It's called irony. You as the viewer are aware of things the characters are not. You might not fully understand it but it's there.

You're complaining that we didn't get enough Kazuki focus at the start but Fafner would have been far shittier if it'd dedicated more of it's time in the early arcs to focus more on how Kazuki's feeling and less on the general state of the island.

Kazuki's not proactive at the start of the series, he's reactive. He's passive. He lets Kenji pick a fight with him every day just because he wants to. Kazuki's initial character is self denial. That's spelled out and fits thematically with the show and where his character goes when he can no longer function by ignoring his own feelings.

Think about even what you're saying. He's abnormal because of how WELL he's fucking taking the reveal that aliens exist and he has to fight them.

Compare it to Sakura who wants to murder the Festum for killing her dad or Kouyo who fucking hides in a bathroom because he's shtting his pants at the thought of aliens. He's shoved at the front lines, told he's the only one who can pilot and he just goes "okay" for a fourth of the series.

>>14815488
>You as the viewer are aware of things the characters are not

Except for that first chunk of episodes.

>>14815532
>Except for the first chunk of episodes
If you literally ignore scenes yes.

If you ignore how the kids were all rated on some unknown scale for who gets to pilot.

If you ignore the exhausted reaction of Dr. Tomi after seeing Kazuki and people asking Fumihiko if he "told" Kazuki.

If you ignore Kazuki's "encounter" with the core.

If you ignore Fumihiko looking through his photo album and apologizing for what he has to do.

If you ignore all sorts of other clues and hints that I don't feel like typing out.

>>14815562
And if you ignore that "we only know as much as Kazuki knows" bullshit.

>>14815488
>You're were saying you had no indication that Kazuki was special,

No I said I had no idea who Kazuki was a person. I didn't say shit about him being special. I want to know what his personality is before his life got uprooted.

>>14815562
So far in the first 4 episodes, I have no idea:

a) Why the islanders are avoiding the UN
b) Why the aliens are attacking
c) Much if any in the way of the MC's personality
d) How Japan got wrecked or the status of the rest of the people on the planet

Pretty much in the dark so far in the first four episodes.

>>14815686
>a) Why the islanders are avoiding the UN
Soon™
>b) Why the aliens are attacking
Later™
>c) Much if any in the way of the MC's personality
About right
>d) How Japan got wrecked or the status of the rest of the people on the planet
Episode 12

>>14813204
>neither death nor becoming a festum happens to free space

Oh I'm laffin

>>14815693
>it takes half the entire series at the end of the first cour to explain everything
So how does that defeat the other anon on his point that most of the show starts off with keeping everyone in the dark and avoiding needless exposition?

>>14815702
I don't know? I'm just answering the question fampai.

>>14815562
>If you ignore how the kids were all rated on some unknown scale for who gets to pilot.

and if I knew or cared who any of these kids where it might mean something

>If you ignore the exhausted reaction of Dr. Tomi after seeing Kazuki and people asking Fumihiko if he "told" Kazuki.

Again I need a reason to care about Kazuki or his dad for this to mean something

>If you ignore Kazuki's "encounter" with the core.

don't care about Kazuki and don't care about the core

>If you ignore Fumihiko looking through his photo album and apologizing for what he has to do.

Which is not how you endear a family. It's cheap.

>If you ignore all sorts of other clues and hints that I don't feel like typing out.

The bigger problem than being in the dark is that I simply don't care to get invested into what's going on.

No one talks to each other beyond Maya and Shoko and even then most of their dialogue is "BOY YOU SURE ARE SICK YOU SHOULD COME TO SCHOOL SICK GIRL"

Im perfectly happy to let the mystery pan out slowly but you need to establish character and setting. Take time to show the kids actually acting like kids and being friends. Show them actually going to school or something.

I need an emotional investment into them as people for any of this to matter

>>14815702
Why is it supposed to prove him wrong?

The first half of the series does keep the viewer largely in the dark on a number of key setting details. It'll eventually become clear why that's arguably a good thing, especially if you come back and rewatch the series at some point.

>>14815749
>It eventually
So you concede it doesn't at the start, so that's not my problem because that was the tangent here in the first place.

>>14815727
>I need an emotional investment into them as people for any of this to matter
I never understood this notion.

Why?
I mean, people watch nature documentaries without this. Watch it for the craftmanship first. Everything else is icing on the cake, really.

>>14815792

Failure to invest in characters and setting IS a sign of poor craftsmanship.

>>14815802
Except all the little seeds are sown. It's just not frontloaded.

Fafner's setting is very rich too for what little media exists. To say there's no effort invested is kinda silly.


I don't know what side of any argument I should be on, but the first half of the season is slow. There are a ton of nuggets in it, but they aren't as apparent on a first viewing. As someone suggested in the thread already, watching Right of Left might help center a new viewer's experience. I agree on one hand, but it does spoil the tone the show takes on in episodes 5/6. Later on in the series, it all coalesces into this big WHOA moment. Maybe it takes too long to get there, but most people here think when that moment hits, it does it superbly.

>>14815825
Most people here are also idiots who don't know what they're talking about.

>>14815825

Look no one's asking for a lot. Just saying the show should have taken the time to actually properly introduce the character and given us a reason to care early on.

>>14815829
Fair enough.

Anyways, my message to OP would be:
Stop posting here until you've watched more, you won't know jack unless you keep watching. Posting about what you don't know won't change what you know. watching will. If you wanna drop it, go ahead, but I would encourage you to keep watching.
>>14815839
>a reason to care early on.
Picaresque Island Paradise invaded by Spoopy Aliums and also Giant Robots and some weird mystery
That's quite a bit when you think about it.
Wtf is this island, what's up with the aliens, where'd the robots come from, why is this place prepped for war and why does everyone, but the main character and his classmates know about it, are you there?

As much as I agree with some of the anons here, guys, the show really doesn't need to be vigilantly defended down to every detail from the start.

Most of the new viewers aren't very far in yet, let the show speak for itself first.

>>14815792
For something like Fafner this seems like a strange thing to say. A huge part of the appeal is how likable and sympathetic the entire main cast is.

And even then, for most people that doesn't really hit until the later episodes. If someone isn't at least slightly endeared by DA 18 they might be beyond saving.

>>14815727
>>I need an emotional investment into them as people for any of this to matter

What you're really saying is that you need a fucking self insert so you can be invested.

If you can't get invested into the plight of these islanders and their community, don't pretend it's the shows fault.

>>14816281
>What you're really saying is that you need a fucking self insert so you can be invested.

That's an absolutely retarded extreme to take and you're a phenomenal retard for doing so.

>If you can't get invested into the plight of these islanders and their community

They've shown dick as a community. It is the shows fault for not establishing anyone's personality

>>14816281
I don't think he's saying that at all, honestly, but he could be. I think it's mostly to do with Fafner's presentation.
It's very light on humor early in and that's something a great many works use to help acclimate the viewer to what's going on.
>>14816299
Take other people's advice and go watch the show instead of posting here.

>>14816281
>it's not the show's fault it doesn't give you anything to emotionally invest in early on, you just want a self insert!

Flawless masterpiece of writing.

>>14816299
>>14816311
Yeah honestly maybe watch without /m/ feedback and then see if you like it or not. Some people are being stupidly defensive and that'll only turn you off an otherwise good show.

Frankly I'm amazed people have been so careful about spoilers too.

>>14815839
>To properly introduce the characters
That's what the show is fucking doing.

It's not some fucking slut who front loads you with every god damn characters personality and quirk in the first episode, it's more conservative. You learn about these characters by watching them go about their lives and the choices they make.

You get snippets that pay off in the end.

>>14816299
>They've shown dick as a community

Patently false. You're upset the show doesn't spoonfeed you right away.

Here's a fucking example of showing the community. The fucking scene where Chizuru and Fumihiko go around handing out the pilot candidate cards. You see various parents react to it and it establishes the overall tone. Nearly every parent who gets one is upset, with the one pair who are actually happy standing out.

This establishes
1. That being a pilot is not something parents who care for their children want
2. Koyo's parents likely don't care for Koyo.
3. That this is an absolute order that the parents can't fight against.
4. That nearly all the conscripted kids are from high ranking members of Alvis

All of which establishes the majority of the community cares for it's children and that the situation the community is in is so dire that even the people at the top can't get their children out.

All of which will continue to be relevant and developed further on.

>>14816320
It's not the show fault if you can't fucking invest in a different style of storytelling. Though maybe it's because I read the Dragon Riders of Pern as a kid and adapted to stories with less of a "I NEED PROTAGONIST-KUN" and more of a community struggle story.

Each rewatch I've done shows me more and makes me appreciate it more.

>>14816334
>Though maybe it's because I read the Dragon Riders of Pern as a kid

Any predisposed experience has little to do with the cognitive comprehension of any medium. At least, in regards to the conversation at hand.
It's something of a comprehensive affair not unlike the old "can't see the forest through the trees" maxim.

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well that was episode 6. Actually a pretty decent episode and I did feel a little something at the end there but I got a few points of contention I feel should be addressed.


Why wasn't there an emergency shut down for the launch?

Why couldn't Soushi forcibly make Kazuki ditch the UN guys when the island was in danger?

How come none of the other pilots where being scrambled when the island was in danger? Shoko was able to launch just fine so why not send out one of the other kids?

The "You're not my real mom" shit probably should have been brought up sooner so it actually had a chance to sit with us. I dunno have Shoko's mom try to forbid her from being a pilot but Shoko snap at her about acting like a mom when she's not one.

I actually liked Shoko compared to a lot of the other characters because her crush on Kazuki is actually something to grab onto but it would have actually been nice if she an Kazuki actually where in a room together for more than a second prior to this. Establishing an actual relationship between characters would have made her willingness to go out and fight for him more meaningful.

>>14816530
>Why wasn't there an emergency shut down for the launch?
If there was one, Soushi turned it off.
>Why couldn't Soushi forcibly make Kazuki ditch the UN guys when the island was in danger?
The Fafner that was attacking the NUNs was still a threat to the island.
>How come none of the other pilots where being scrambled when the island was in danger?
There wasn't a Festum attacking the island to begin with.
>Shoko was able to launch just fine so why not send out one of the other kids?
She was closer it seems.

>>14816530
>The "You're not my real mom" shit probably should have been brought up sooner so it actually had a chance to sit with us

I get what you're saying and I'm not arguing against it, but this will be relevant again in the future.

>>14816533
>The Fafner that was attacking the NUN
Festum, whoops

>>14816530
>Why wasn't there an emergency shut down for the launch?

You mean for the Sechs? In the episode itself Soushi agrees to let her pilot because otherwise the Island was going to be destroyed. Soushi basically gambled on her being able to stall for time.

>Why couldn't Soushi forcibly make Kazuki ditch the UN guys
Once you engage a Festum, it targets you. Also the Siegfried system at most allows Soushi to shut down the If Kazuki didn't want to go, he couldn't force him. Also because letting the leader of the NUN die on their doorstep would have likely ended in a REALLY BAD TIME as you'll learn.
>How come none of the other pilots were being scrambled
The training has shown that none of them were combat ready like Kazuki and there was no Festum out when he deployed. The Mark Sechs was also unfinished so by the time they decided that risking the offering they were going to give to the Nuns was necessary. She also be lined for the hangar. If you want to be REAL cynical, you could argue that Soushi knew that the Sechs was at best just gonna buy time for Kazuki to get there and it was better to have one of the lower tier pilot candidates like Shoko or Maya in it so they'd lose the minimum amount of warpower.

The whole "You're not my real Mom" thing was more a way that Shoko knew she could get Mrs. Hazama to get out of her way. It wasn't directly malicious because Shoko regrets it, but she knew her mother well enough that she could shut her down long enough to get out with the Sechs if she said that. It'll also be relevant to Mrs. Hazama's future character arc.

Shoko's a simple character, but at this point in the story she's meant to represent what all the other character need. She wasn't doubting herself. She knew what she could do and she knew what she wanted to do and she did it.

Doubt is what's hampering the majority of the cast into doing what they need to do.

>>14816533

I just feel that with a little more thought from everyone this whole thing could have been avoided with worst case being us down some UN jerks.

>>14816555
>letting Hester die
That would've been a mistake.

>>14816552
Don't forget (as I did in my post) that Sechs, even in it's not-fully-finished state was the "most finished" Nothung Model, and pilots have specific proclivities for specific Fafners.

>>14816555
The Sechs was purposefully under equipped because the Island didn't want to give the Neo UN a single thing more than they had to.

Also letting Hester die would have been the equivalent of Tatsumiya declaring war on the Neo UN. This would mean Tatsumiya would be fighting the Neo UN and Festum at the same time, something that they DO NOT have the manpower for.

This is where Kazuki's little heroics in episode 3 and 4 are going to start biting everyone in the ass more and more, and how you'll begin to learn that when everyone agreed to use those pilots as bait, that WAS the best move they could have made at that point.

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>>14815825
>Fafner's setting is very rich too for what little media exists.
This is why we need multimedia franchises.

Koyo's parents are real shit buckets

I just finished Fafner and wow, that ending is very gay.

Are the movies and Exodus worth watching?

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>tfw bump limit
>>14816728
>Are the movies and Exodus worth watching?
OF COURSH

>>14816728
Yeah, just be sure to watch in release order. It only gets better.

>>14816733
Right of Left, Heaven and Earth, then Exodus, right?

>>14816737
Yep

>>14816737
You got it. Be sure to grab the better [Festum] release of RoL, since you've yet to watch it.

The Dog

>>14816739
>>14816741
Thanks.

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What is his purpose?

>>14819314
To suffer

>>14819361
Takeru level?

>>14819379
No, that's a different character but that characters suffering train only really reaches Takeru levels in the sequel series where life decides to systematically shit on them for the entire series.

Koyo has and will suffer quite a good deal.

>>14819386
Man, if I didn't love suffering I would be unhappy to hear that.

>>14819416
If suffering is your jam, Fafner will deliver

>>14819448
Yep. Muv-Luv, Tekkaman Blade, and so on.

So why was Fafner Zero left unused in the original series when it's so damn powerful in the movie?

>>14819942
It's scary as fuck. More lethal than a Fünf
They only carted it out when Neun and Zehn got rekt.