The G Reco of Macross

>>14770212
Yeah, no.
The fact it did nothing at all in the latter half is the problem.
G-Reco's problem is doing far, far too much for most people.

It sucks because I loved the first half... had they not extended the show, it could have been amazing, if short.

>>14770212
G-Reco was good though.

>>14770241
>The fact it did nothing at all
Can you go through each episode in the latter half and GENUINELY TELL ME that it did NOTHING AT ALL?

>>14770212
Surprisingly accurate

>>14770212
The IBO of Macross

>>14770275
Of course it's an exaggeration but those 13 episodes didn't do tenth of what the original 13 had before them.

>>14770212
Pretty much. It's the one most people hated with a burning passion.

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>>14770212
The Aquarion EVOL of Macross.

It all went to shit after best boy died.

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>>14770212
No, this is.

Its gundam x or ibo tier, i.e. Its boring unless you marathon it

>>14770212
>one does too much
>the other does too little

>>14770212
More like IBO. Initial promise, then it meanders around a bit and moves at a snails pace ending with a final conflict that feels the intensity and weight that it should have.

>>14770474

Those two are boring as fuck regardless of how you watch them and I have no plans to ever re-watch them or this show ever again.

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>>14770212
I enjoyed it

And I was a miragefag

>>14770720
>Miragefag
I'm so sorry.

>>14770212
G-reco had 50 episodes.

>>14770474
>>14770687
>Gundam X
>boring

literally no

>>14770720

what's this from?

>>14770862
The new episode. They showed this for no reason.

>>14770852
watch it once a week bub. It's soooo fucking slow.

>>14770852
>literally

Confirmed for underage retard.

>>14770852
use literally if you are referring to a metaphor or over exaggeration as truth.

Otherwise you come of as stupid as "round circle"

>>14770212
Shittiest Macross of all time.

>>14770212
this was absolutely fucking terrible

>>14770968
>>14771152

jeez you guys sure are smart! I had no idea what "literally" even meant! xD Its not like people having been saying "literally no" as a joke for months now or anything!

>>14770275
>Mikumo is a test tube baby
>Mikumo is a protoculture singer weapon thing
>Freiya's singing harms Hayate
>Hayate's dad dropped the bomb

I think that's everything they went through, it wasn't even done well, and the rest of the series was padding. They didn't need 12 more episodes.

>>14770212
>Durr Durr of Hurr Hurr

Can't you guys ever find a way to say a show is bad without memes?

>>14771207
people who didn't like G-Reco are so stupid that they literally have to relate everything to a meme or they just can't comprehend it.

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>>14771203

>They didn't need 12 more episodes.

Delta was actually only one cour + a sequel movie, before they ordered another cour.

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>>14770781
Don't be. I thought she got an 'okay' wrap up by the end.

I think movies could make things better, but I don't really think they're necessary. Delta was a hell of a fun ride, and I enjoyed sitting down to a new episode every week

>>14771244

she was completely pointless. i'm saying this as someone who was on the mirage train.

G-Reco was good but flawed though
I had and still have no hope for modern macross

>>14770212
Is this the first Macross where the Valk squad is irrelevant?

What are they even doing in the story? The war ended on its own without Delta needing to do anything. And the Delta squad didn't even do its job of protecting the singers very well.

The entire story could have been told from Windermere's perspective and it would have made more sense.

>>14771199
just because everyone else is being stupid doesn't give you an excuse to

>>14770720
This scene pissed off me because they could spent a episode or half episode for her past with bunch of Jenius show up, but nope, let's write some shitty fanservice episode.

>keith and his shota bro die
>windies turn good for no reason
>freyja wins and doesnt die and fucks off with hayate to die in like 2 yrs
>no explanation on who lady m is
>understanding ending
>random flashback out of the blue with VF-9 for literally no reason
>messer cuck arad while dead


shit shit shit, thank god its over

>>14770212

I enjoy g-reco way more than this tripe
hell ibo was better

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>You lived to see Macross become idolshit
Just end it now bros

26 EPISODES OF THIS BULLSHIT
NO KISS AT THE END
FUCK YOU

>>14770720
What's that white one in the back? Just a VF-1?

>>14771527
>You lived to see Macross become idolshit
It was idol shit before. What Macross have you been watching?

>>14771527
Even the fucking idolshit was irrelevant

>>14771527
Nah, it's become a husk that executives can fill with anything. The series didn't even get to have much Kawamori nonsense, and he ran off to do his newest IP.

Alright, I deleted Macross Delta off my computer without even watching anything past episode 19.

>>14771505
That's pretty much what I thought...

The ending to the show really was one massive tease. We got a really interesting setup for the reveal of the identity of lady M, but they never addressed it at all after the tease. That really annoyed me and I'm now just going to say that this is probably the worst macross series to date.

I'd call it the G-Reco of Macross, but despite both being equally shit, Delta won't have the rabid hand animation fanboys defending it whenever anyone dares to point out how shit it was.

>>14771721
Good choice. It's possibly the worst /m/ related show I've ever seen, we're talking SEED and SEED Destiny levels of garbage here, the "Let's not resolve anything and have the main antagonists turn good out of the blue"-ending is really the cherry ontop of the shit cake.

>>14771527
>>You lived to see Macross become idolshit

The 1980s?

>>14771726
>I'd call it the G-Reco of Macross, but despite both being equally shit,
And I'll call you a fucking idiot like everyone who hates G-Reco.

>>14771786
>Being a G-Rekt fanboy
>Any point in space and time
I can understand that you feel a need to defend it because of the amount of hand animation and the idea that they'll never make another show with that much hand animation if it goes shat on too much, but sometimes you just need to let go of things like this.

Yes, the animation work was great and so were some of the designs, but no amount of good animation or good designs can save a show when it's got the kind of writing and direction that G-Rekt had.

>>14771786
Typical g-rectal too deluded to accept that his favorite show is garbage

>>14771505
>his shota bro die
Heinz is alive. He ordered peace negotiations. Keith dies taking down Roid and saving the galaxy, though.

>>14771786
Christ, summoning these guys is easier than summoning the Shining Gundam.

Just how fucked up is the macross universe when shit like a madman who tries to mind control everyone is barely considered a threat?

>>14771841
Roid's goal was closer to Instrumentality than Grace's mind control to conquer everything stuff. And it seems to have been Protoculture wishes too, because they wanted everyone to become like the Vajra, a hive mind of sorts.

Roid wanted everyone to live forever in their moment they were the happiest.

I stopped watching after 19. I'm going to try and finish this all in one sitting.

Jesus Christ. At first I was loving the show because of how good the first cour was especially after coming off IBO. Then it got hit hard by all of IBO's problems in it's second half, really hard. This was my first Macross too, and I even got one of those cheap plane models, only for it to go this bad.

>>14771832
Code Geass ending then.

The movie version better fix things up.

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>>14771726
>G-Reco
>shit
This is how I know you're retarded, G-Reco was comfy as fuck.

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I haven't seen the final episode but I just caught up after being on a hiatus from episode 22.
Delta was very disappointing for me.

the first half was amazing and had great build up and every episode came off the last and it felt like it was going somewhere.
Early on the only issues I had was the lack of character development for Mirage and the other Walkure girls, but I assumed this would be handled in the second half.

I kept on hearing the rumors that the show was mean to be a single cour with a movie and I can totally see that angle with how the second half ended up.
we spent at least 7 episodes advancing the plot at the speed of a slug

we had some nice ideas in the second half like giving the knights more character and the explanations behind the antagonists' motivations, but all this felt like it could've been handled way earlier and at a faster pace.

spending 3-4 episodes just to reveal that Mikumo is the star singer, and Hayate's father dropped the bomb was really pointless and just dragged it out.
I would've preferred them to at least fill the gaps with action scenes instead of constant concerts.

The ending also seems like it's gonna be really anti-climactic, I guess this is because the last Macross series I watched was Frontier, but Delta doesn't even make the conflict seem like an actual threat.
I know that Delta is meant to kinda have a more chill feeling than Frontier, but when the galaxy is at risk you can't really do that. In my opinion it'd be better if the series had taken place within 1 or two star systems.

It's weird how I feel about delta, it's not a bad show, but I feel like the way it's presented is very weak

tl;dr: Delta had severe pacing issues in the second half, but it could probably be fixed in a compilation movie.
all you'd have to do is cut the irrelevant material in the second half to make the pace seem faster, it's all already there so I don't see why they wouldn't do it.

>>14770212

It really did die with Messer. Movie or riot, this series is fucking shit. Sucks because the music was fantastic and I liked the characters outside of the garbage story.

Delta was certainly not the best Macross, but why is it hated at >>14771768 >>14771736 tier levels?

Are they Frontierfags? They all seem to be really damn angry in Delta threads, championing Sheryl, Frontier's music and such.

If Frontier was so much better, why is it necessary to be such incessant pissbabies about it?

>>14771807
>>14771824
>>14771835
>Come onnnnnnnn!
>Say its shit
>Come onnnnnnnn!
>I don't want to be left out!
>The only people who hate G-Reco are retards from ANN, MAL and reddit and I don't want to be associated with them.

>>14771533

looks like some variant of it.

>>14771527

being a frogposter is much more shittier than macross will ever be.

>>14771934

Well speaking for myself I absolutely hated how they shafted most of the staff so they could make the MC look good by given him song hax instead of skill.

I simply stopped caring because it quickly became apparent that all that was gonna matter is what special magic powers Hayate was getting.

>>14771993
Just leave it alone man, let the ANN/MAL-tards circlejerk over overrated garbage like Zeta and Turn A.

>>14772039

you can shit on Zeta all you want it's not gonna make reco good

>>14772051
You can shit on G-Reco because you're too dumb to understand it all you want, it's not gonna suck the cum out of your ass from taking the "MUH ZETA" bandwagon cock

>>14772056

You're the one who brought up Zeta.

You can always tell how shit something is by how much it's fans shit on other shows instead of actually defending it's merits.

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>>14772056
Yeah, it's time for your nap.

worst music. worst heroine. third worst hero. literally what story. worse animation than a 15 year old ova. CAN'T USE MISSILES LOL. 'aces' in name only.

complete dog shit.

What's the point of Delta Platoon if they're going to be jobbers for 26 episodes?

They might as well make Windermere as the protagonist faction and remove Chaos entirely since they're useless.

WOW HAYATE SURE HAS A LOT OF SKILL IN BATTROID MODE

BETTER IGNORE IT FOR THE REST OF THE SERIES, AND NOT FIND A WAY TO IMPLEMENT IT INTO THE PLOT

- Delta writers' discussion

>>14771239
Fucking why. It would have been perfect as 12+1.

Any one have the picture with robotech pilots names instead of the across. Kudos Klux klang is one

Is Frejya died?

hello friends,
what is the relationship between japanese pop music and giant robots?

>>14770212
What Macross is the Macross of Macross?

>>14772039
Turn A isn't overrated, it's actually one of the best gundam.

>>14772139
>worst music. worst heroine. third worst hero
shit taste
>worse animation
Nan, it's the standard for Macross.

>>14772642
no but she willl die in 5 years since they didn't fix that bullshit life span.

>>14772742

Walkure had like ONE decent song and even that one Im in no rush to get on my player

>>14772747
Music is subjective.

>>14772642
Heinz and Freyja both are alive.

>>14772743
The protoculture system cannot affect her anymore and that shit was only dangerous if it reached her brain. She'll likely just age as a normal windie.

>>14772756
>She'll likely just age as a normal windie.

which is still shit

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>episode 26

>>14772794
Hayate promised they'll always be together, so he'll pull an hero and kill himself if she dies for sure.

>>14771736
I've never watched Seed Destiny, but thus far Aldnoah/Zero has been the worst /m/ series I've ever watched. And I dropped that at episode 14.

Delta has a lot of problems similar to what happened to Aldnoah/Zero, actually.

>Strong first episode
>Strong first cour finale
>Weak second cour
>Lots of mysteries never get resolved satisfactorily
>Plot developments happen and then are ignored or reversed
>Pacing issues
>Recycled animation
>Shit love story

>>14771841
NUNS considered it a major threat, and everyone and their father said
>How dare you you space racist
>Windies are righteous
>You're evil

>>14772303
I remember hearing how they were "writing" episode 4 and found out that they had another cour to fill.

What the hell kind of production committee was in charge here? They didn't plan anything out at all after the first episode?

>>14771934
They're trying to make Frontier look good by shitting on the new thing, not that Frontier was all that great by itself.

Just look at the gendum threads every time a new series comes out.

>>14772882
Frontier was a good finale indeed and a good triangle indeed.

>>14772957
Frontier had a great finale over the last two episodes.

Frontier's triangle was really good too, it got settled by episode 16 when Ranka decided she wasn't loved by Alto and ran off with her brother.

>>14772751

just sounds like jpop song #30910381

>>14771934
Some people just get overly defensive about their opinions on the internet, that's all.

Most Macross series have their respective groups of excessively defensive fanboys and excessively disgruntled detractors. Frontier and Delta aren't at all unique in that regard; they're just the most visible due to being the most recent entries.

>>14770212
I was about to start this one, seems like times never will be like SDF-Macross.

I want to apologize to the anon who said Delta was just copying Frontier because it really was just copying Frontier.

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>>14771527
You mean like it has been since the begining

are freyjerfags satisfied? are they actually happy that they won, despite the series being awful?

aside from the completely one sided shipping, was this show satisfying to anyone? how did the nips react to it?

>>14773311
>aside from the completely one sided shipping, was this show satisfying to anyone?
I can't even call it shipping, the main pairing had been pushed onto the audience the entire 26 episodes. Mirage is just a hypotentical love interest and never more than that. How are you suppose to ship a couple in that situation? Is it really shipping when that's the main plot?

>>14773434

poor mirage. they literally made her a jenius only so that she can begin to tell hayate about it and have him say 'we know; we don't care'. what was the point?

>>14773311
>how did the nips react to it?
same as there and /a/.

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Would Delta have been better if they didn't kill off Messer?

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>>14773568
>>14772303

>tfw no sword vs knife Battroid mode dance off between Keith and Hayate

What a waste.

>>14773640

Nah, it'd just have been a different flavour of dull since his rivalry with Keith was already staid until he was killed and all him living would have added is 15 more episodes of the same stuff.

>>14773640

No, because then they would have run their paper-thin rivalry into the ground.

>>14771736
Seed actually had the heroes do shit in the ending unlike Delta though

>>14773718
I don't remember Lacus ever doing anything.

>>14773311
I would have been even more mad if they made that part ambiguous, but I'm not at all satisfied with a show that had nothing else to show for itself.

I'm baffled at how everything could have been botched up so poorly.

Honestly, I wanted Mirage to win up until episode 14/15. But the writing of Mirage and her character was so botched that I couldn't consider her a good character, much less a love interest.

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I find it funny how Deltafags are now trying their hardest to shit on Frontier to make Delta looks good, thats just sad

Who got more BTFO NUNS or Mirage?

I get the feeling Macross Delta screwed up because it tried to focus on too many characters and too many issues all at once instead of focusing on only a few main characters.

As such, it just feels really shallow across the board.

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so whats the significance of this symbol thing anyway?

And why did Hayate go back to the VF-31J from the 31F?

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It's time lads.

>>14772957
for the life of me i cant justify how Frontier was any good. I guess it's because Plus and SDF are more up my alley but at least Delta had some charm to it.

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>>14771481

Macross really needs a vignette series, single episodes focusing on the more interesting parts of the universe; Jenius Air, Dancing Skull Team, Firebomber American, The Vanquish Races, the flyoff between the VF-11 and the VF-14.

There are so many things they could do with an online series.

At least we got a VF-9 on screen; I guess that's something.

>>14774947
/a/ is that way

>>14775606
Not even going to bother.

Welp, just watched with subs and it is just as bad as everyone is saying. The worst fucking entry to Macross ever is here. Seriously, don't bother with this shit.

Too little action too late. They needed more of this episode for the past cour. And none of the action this episode is memorable. The least they could have done was properly transform the Macross as it landed in the ocean. One of the worst Macross series, I feel incredibly mislead and baited after how good episode one was. Oh well.

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>>14775634
You're forgetting Frontier and 7

>>14775650
Both better than Delta. Not really a tough call either.

>>14775650

They have flaws, but at least they wrapped up their respective stories in satisfying ways. Delta just ends abruptly with no satisfaction. It is offensively bad.

>next mainstream macross will be in about 8years.

See you all in the future.

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After the disaster of Delta, can we all agree that he needs to takes the reigns on the Macross franchise?

>>14775682
Didn't he say that Frontier was shit in an interview? If he didnt take the reigns back then he's most likely never coming back. Kawamori just needs someone like Ishiguro or Watanabe to keep him on a leash. Either that or just have someone else do the scripting and directing leaving the designs and producing up to him. I would kill to see a Macross more akin to Plus even if it means hiring someone like Urobuchi write the script. After watching Thunderbolt Fantasy, I think the guy definitely has range and it'd be interesting to see his take on a series like this.

>>14775682

Nah, I'd like to see someone new helm the series I wouldn't want it to be Itano. I don't know who, but I certainly wouldn't have him as my first choice. Or any choice really. Being a good animator makes him no more qualified for it than Kawamori being a good mechanical designer qualifies him. And it's not like his few forays at script writing and story creation are any indication he'd be good. Unless you love Blassreiter or Angel Cop I guess.

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>>14775682
Nah, it's time for Girls und Macross.

>>14770212
NOTHING FUCKIN HAPPENS: THE SERIES

The fuck was Lady M
The fuck was up with Mikumo
The fuck was with death by white skins
The fuck was with Makina ignoring a gut shot bullet wound after struggling to even sit up and sign 5 seconds earlier
The fuck was with Mirage yelling I love you and just being cool

Fuck this show man.

Ending I wanted:

Roid goes GALAXY HITLER and forces unification. Aerial Knights and Delta Shotai go full killer on one another - Chuck dies, Mirage is shot down and wounded badly, the twin purple hairs eat it, Bogue also gets shot down, old man and SHIROI KISHI are the only ones up with Hayate and Arad.

Walkure get brain fucked but Freyja sings her balls off, Mirage yelling at her to stop so she can be with Hayate but she goes nah bro that's all you, and the singing accelerates her aging fiercely and causing her to break the mind spell, but be at death's door in the process.

Hayate and Keith realize what's up, Heinz asks the AKs to kill Roid, old man knight finally succumbs to aging and dies, Bogue comes back in Mirage's VF-31 with her in back seat helping him, Arad fends off entire White Draken assault alone.

Roid and Keith have badass fucking sword fight while Mikumo goes full cosmic space horror and starts melting brains, before Walkure all get there and hug her, Freyja telling her that her singing reminds her of rainbows. Keith kills Roid as they fall off the exploding Star Sanctuary (cause of course the Elysion fucked it sideways) and Hayate catches him just in time.

Roid's last rune thought thing to Keith is AI-DESU.

Everyone bails the fuck out, landing on the beach, crying and shit cause dead people. Hayate sees Freyja, tearful farewell as she dies, tells him to be with Mirage.

DONE.

>>14775709
>Didn't he say that Frontier was shit in an interview?
no

>>14775783
Lady M is a plot device for putting Delta Squad and Walkure on different planets when everything they found out and did could have been done on one planet in two episodes.

Mikumo was a plot device intended to give Freyja motivation.

Death by white skin was just the Rune and Quartz leeching out and killing the windemeres.

Makina has plot armor.

Mirage was never treated as a character, but a story element.

This was a terrible show.

>>14775783

> Hayate sees Freyja, tearful farewell as she dies, tells him to be with Mirage

No thanks. I cannot understand why anyone thinks this is a good idea, because it's essentially Freyja making a decision on Hayate's behalf rather than him making a decision himself. Even if he abides by it, it colors the relationship itself and makes it less than since he never actually decided Mirage was who he wanted, just who he was took - which suggests settling. Even if he is happy to do so he was still not the one who made the decision. It's a passive reaction, and the show has too much of that already.

I prefer the dense prick end up alone, and Mirage too for being so reactive and shy. Or better yet, the triangle be resolved early in the show, with time showing the first steps of the relationship and the third wheel having time to move on and show that the triangle doesn't define them.

>>14775650
Frontier and 7 are great, though. Delta is... well, it's certainly better than Zero or II, and there were a lot of things in it that I enjoyed, but I'm not sure I'd call it particularly good.

>>14775868
>Or better yet, the triangle be resolved early in the show, with time showing the first steps of the relationship and the third wheel having time to move on and show that the triangle doesn't define them.
That's more or less what they tried to do, they were just kind of lazy about it.

>>14775869
No, Zero was way better than Delta. It was much better paced, there wasn't a single wasted episode, and it had actual battles.

>>14775875
On the other hand, Delta actually had a handful of characters with more personality than your average rock.

>>14775850
>Makina has plot armor
You know something is wrong when the local green gets to be happy, with her survival.

>>14775887
Whole 1 character? That's not much.
>>14773120
It's okay anon, Frontier was SDF wth some Plus mixed up anyway.

Macross hasn't been good since Plus. Frontier was the nail on the coffin. This series literally regressed with each entry. Kawamori is literally the George Lucas of anime.

>>14775874

I can't say as I agree that's true. For a start, Hayate never began dating Freyja part way through the show, they only hooked up in the finale. Him having a clear favorite isn't the same thing. It's not even unique to that one Macross entry. Mirage was also still declaring feelings for Hayate near the end of the show. So both halves of that statement appear to not apply to Delta in my opinion.

>>14775887

What character anyone had in Delta was fairly quickly neutered and they was none left even by about 15 or so. Not unless you count stock archetypes as character. In which case it still doesn't matter since Zero had those too.

So when will we see fanfics that will "fix" Macross Delta on places like Fanfiction.net and AO3? Are we gonna experience another "SEED Destiny Fixfic"-esque wave?

I'ma say it now; whatever fanfic trash that will likely result from the shitshow that was Delta will be leagues better than the source material.

>>14775897
> George Lucas of anime.
No matter how much of a faggot Lucas was/is, he still funded The Clone Wars.

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>>14770720
Cute. CUTE!

>>14770681
dude, I love gundam and ibo is okay by my book, but that last battle was anything but intense.

>>14771532
>suki
>not aishiteiru
>not even a fucking daisuki

welp, fuck you hard, kawamori.

>>14776106

What's the difference out of interest?

>>14776115
In the simplest terms:
suki - like
aishiteru - love

Delta is the opposite of G Reco but is still bad.

Just like IBO.

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Worse then Macross II

remember how interesting Episode one was?

>Battle concerts that werent just singing on a stage
>Freya being genki and charging into battle
>Hayate fucking dancing in his valk

Where did all that go?

>>14776220
It went where it was supposed to be: into the trashcan. Too bad plot sucks anyway.

Roid and Keith were the greatest love story of all time. Seriously, what was with that? It felt like deeper than friendship.

>>14770212
Basically this show suffers hard from the same problem as Frontier, pandery, creepster fanservice, basically turning Macross into nothing more than fucking Love Live with transforming planes, caring more to pander to waifu creep fucks than write a good sci-fi story.

.....We're never getting another one as progressive as Macross 7 again, it's time to accept that. Just like we're never going to get a Super Robot show as progressive and important as GaoGaiGar ever again.

I marathoned the last four episodes, just now, and it wasn't really too bad. I think that it was, all in all, about as good as Frontier TV. Meaning not good, but watchable and decently fun.

The real problem seems to be that unlike Frontier TV, where a lot of the characters simply were not compelling, in Delta there are just TOO MANY characters so you are bound to have some of them doing fuck all. Arad is Skull Leader and I can't even remember if I saw him do anything in the last battle. In fact the one time Arad did something it was in a flashback.

Delta should have been a lean and focused storyline to fit its edge of the galaxy setting and instead there was tremendous character bloat. They literally had to bring in Space Muslim whose entire purpose was simply dumping exposition because they had wasted so much time there was no other way to explain it all.

At least they remembered the VF-31s have a Battroid mode in Ep 26.

Movies will probably fix everything.

>>14776193
Your point being?

>>14776308

Yeah, that was really fucking gay.

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>>14776324
Hol up

Weren't you just banned

Also
>progressive
>as a positive for GGG

Were we watching the same show?

>>14776473
I dunno, there's nothing on his twitter about it. Looks fake to me but might be real.

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>>14776396
>Space Muslim

>>14776324
the real clawshit wouldn't use such harsh language
and he's too stupid and childish to even pretend to watch a Macross, much less seperate them

cute try though

maybe if you had more dick in your face you'd be able to fake it better

how are they hiring writer for anime?

>>14776324
Fuck off, fagtron.

Mirage lived up to her name

>>14775969
No because Macross was never popular on FF.

>>14771342

Macross is now Gundam, except instead of the whole point being to shill plastic models, it's whole point is to shill music CDs.

Although from what I gathered the Valk's and idols were supposed to be paired closer (with them flying the singers into battle M7 style) but the insistance on tossing a love triangle (which Kawamori didn't actually want this time but the sponsors forced) kind of ruined that.

>>14776473
I dunno, ban expired again, suppose I should try again.

GGG actually shows progressive traits in how it handles it's young male leads, rather than the pro-patriarchy tripe super robot throws at us nowadays.

>>14776479
I just tweeted about it, It's sad you people need me to tweet it to make it believable, because you all can't stop calling each other me when I'm banned.

>>14776636
>>14776644
nobody cares if you figure out his password is "littleboydick"
liquid sagas are shit

stop trying to fake being him
nobody gives a shit

>>14776220

They figured they'd hooked people so they stopped trying.

>Clawshrimpy came back to life because of Delta

Alright, fuck this

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Am I high or did nothing get resolved about this?

Like at all.

>>14776731

If anything NUNS would just go super hard after the windnigs since they demonstrated they are a galactic-level threat.

>>14776731
With their MC equipment gone they are going to negotiate with the UN regularly.

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I'm so confused.

>>14770212

>Macross Delta ended
>Literally nothing was resolved

lol

>>14776748
same

>>14776759

I guess Lady M was actually Minmay.
So somehow Minmay became a shadowy and powerful manipulator who creates clone abominations.

>>14776748
Variable Boobs hypertechnology

>>14776748
I think the bigger question is what happened to her nipples?

>>14776789

She had an accident while singing and song buffed them right off.

>>14776748
Yeah, they lost me too. What the fuck man

>>14776771

Just a huge cop-out not showing her.

>>14776731
It got resolved because Heinz told everyone to go home. Keith's final message was "live the present, fags."

So everyone has to let go of their past to honor the real MC of Delta.

>>14776784
BUST VECTORING OWNS THE SKY!!
MACROSS DELTA STYLE!

>>14770720
dat vf9 tho

>>14770320
the show clearly lost it's momentum As if the writers were fired after about twenty episodes were done so the last half of the scripts had to be stretched out.

I feel like there should be at least another half dozen episodes of solid content that should have been produced.

>>14776220
>>14776676
So much opportunity lost.

>>14776746
>With their MC equipment gone they are going to negotiate with the UN regularly.
You are forgetting that the four planets they conquered are going to want revenge. The entire area is going to turn into the Balkans soon.

>>14776746
> going to negotiate with the UN regularly

After what they pulled I don't see that being an option for them now. The only negotiate they will get is at the end of a Macross cannon

Even though the series as a whole was a disappointment for me, at least there were some scenes I really enjoyed such as this one and the birthday scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4R0JijjR70

>>14776748
all this nudie shit really creeped me out.. she's 14 year's old.... pedo much, japan?

suprised they didn't magically cure her aging

>>14777043
Movies, Lady M etc

>>14776789

This shouldn't come as a surprise but the windy's are an evolutionary joke.

>>14777043
>>14777047
>>14777049

This makes me wonder if Roid isn't an interim villain,and the real issues will be presented in a movie that actually wraps things like the aging, Windermere's political future, Lady M etc up. Berger, Epsilon or the Nuns cabal could all be possible intended final villains, with Roid just diverted in to the role when the show was extended so as to give it a villain as well as the movie.

>>14770212
>The G Reco of Macross

But G-Reco was good

>>14776652
Except it is literally me, unless you want me to do something more than tweet to prove it?

>>14777119
Did you watch Utena yet?

>>14777024
She's middle aged woman by windie standards

>Walkure breaches Ragna
>Koi Halation the War doesn't play

>Mikumo regains her senses
>Ikenai Borderline doesn't play

BUT HOW ABOUT SOME MORE GIRAFFE BLUES

>>14777163
No, because shoujo anime is not my space. The closest thing to shoujo anime I can watch is stuff like that KyoAni anime with genderflipped magical girls, but it treated the concept like a jokey parody when GaoGaiGar took that idea and was absolutely sincere about it years earlier. SUre, they had to change the flavor of it to alien powers, but Mamoru and Kaidou channel those tropes so obviously it's still a wonder how they got away with it.

that KyoAni magical boy show (with an absurdly long title I don't remember.) was kind of a slap in the face in comparison.

>>14777163

ZETTAI

UNMEI

MOKUSHIROKU!

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Utena is /m/.

>>14777242

> I'm not allowed watch anything for girls
> It's perfectly okay for me to watch a show intended for kids as an ostensible adult though!

How's that hypocrisy working out for you?

>>14777242
You said you would never come back, faggot. Nobody called anybody else you after you were most recently banned. You're full of yourself, which is why you come here for attention. Want me to direct you to some hardcore shota rape? I know youre into that stuff and it might even bring back some pleasant memories.

You have garnered enough hate here to last forever. Go somewhere else, start fresh. Stay in tumblr or with whoever is willing to listen to your ideas. But that's not here. Stay off of /m/.

Oh my fucking god you guys, Delta is bad enough, don't drag this thread down further by actually responding to Clawshrimpy.

>>14777279
Age demos is not the same thing as invading a gender space I don't belong into. By that logic no adult can enjoy Star Wars because it exists to sell toys to children despite having some adult themes.

>>14777313
All I'm hearing are excuses.

They aren't even revolutionary excuses.

>>14777291
You might want to get some bandages for all that edge, anon.

I've tried going other places and it ends badly. So when I notice I can return somewhere, I will.

>>14777323
There's a reason why bronies and gemtlemen were things that shouldn't have happened, and reasons why women fans of Madoka or PreCure get a bad rap because of the neckbeardery that surrounds that show.

I don't watch those shows or be nvolved in discussions about those shows because my input isn't fucking wanted.

>>14777343
Excuses.

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>>14777313
>gender space

>Macross Delta ended
>OLD HAG seizes victory!

>>14777343
>women fans of [...] PreCure
You're an idiot

>Drakens have a sword.
>They don't show it until the last episode.
>The kit doesn't come with it.
For fuck's sake.

>>14777313

> Invading an age space isn't the same thing as invading a gender space

They're both invasions of space even by your own words. You've normalised one, but act like the other is sacrosanct for some unfathomable reason. And it's not like age is even the only factor, since it's also a show designed for Japanese kids. You're not Japanese, so why are you watching GGG?

As others have said invading others space, otherwise known as enjoying their work is how culture generally spreads and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. If there wasn't, why do you think the people making GGG just tolled with it when they noticed adults were enjoying their show more than kids? Or why the author of Sailor Moon doesn't mind that it has so many male fans? Or why the Wild Arms guy was perfectly fine with just declaring his works were for girls now when he was told boys didn't like them as much as girls? Or, or, or.

There are hundreds of examples of both genders enjoying works clearly designed with only one gender in mind. The only one getting hung up about it as some kind of violation is you. If you're that unsure about it ask a girl. Not one of the same 5 women you talk to on Twitter all the time, someone in real life. Or just a random person online. See what they say. I guarantee most won't even see why you think it's a problem.

>>14777327
You might want to stop lying about your pedophilliac rape fetish. You were practically drooling through the screen last time you talked about your so-called "rape" experience.

I just realized how fucked the "I can't invade girl's space" comment is.
Last time you were here you complained about men acting like men. Now you're saying men can't like girly things.
You even brought up bronies, and called them out for not acting within gender boundaries.
So you hate men that act like men, and you hate the idea of men taking an interest in "girly things". Like what the fuck man. How do you function with that mindset?

>>14777422

Yea, I was just wondering how he's okay with boys invading girl's space by wearing their clothes or adopting their mannerisms (or women mens for that matter) but thinks they should never enjoy their media. It's funny that he lauds GGG for being progressive, but then thinks the very things that according to him inspired Mamoru should never be watched by men. Despite men having to watch them to see how to do non traditional males.

For someone who's supposedly progressive and wants to see more of it in media, he's awfully regressive in his thinking. Then again, this is the same guy who abhors violence or hate of any kind in media and thinks everything should be positive and nice, but is perfectly okay with killing cops in reality and taking anger out as revenge killings.

>>14777454
Because he just regurgitates things he's heard other people say in a pitiful attempt to fi- wait why am I taking this seriously?

Why the fuck people are discussing fucking tripfag.

>>14777024
How do you watch anime?

At least it was better than Frontier....

>>14777469
Im guessing Delta has nothing to shitpost about, whether it be just cause Delta being boring or otherwise, that the more entertaining thing would be something that isnt Delta

Only reason why G Reco got so far in terms of posting was cause Tomino's name was on it

>>14777373
P-bandai for you. :^)

>>14777373

I assume they never really intended for Drakens to have a sword until sometime after production. Probably wanted to go for beamsaber or a plasma knife or something before they decided on the fold-out knight sword.

Maybe it'll come in the inevitable mass production Draken model kit.

>>14770354
This desu senpai.

>>14770212

> get home from work
> episode is finally out
> watch the finale

What the fuck was that?

What THE FUCK was that?

About 1 minute of the Elysion being radical, Mirage suddenly developing as a character out of NOWHERE with a single line of dialog multiple episodes after Herman said a thing to her, which was literally just repeating something MESSER HAD ALREADY TOLD HER EARLIER IN THE SHOW.

Windies have a fucking awesome sword for their valks, but it never gets used before now.

More than half the episode is spent in really low-hype psychic dream space, killing any sense of tension or momentum since it doesn't seem all that bad in there and we spend so long hanging out, which gets broken by the single least exciting love confession I have ever seen in anime. They didn't even take the opportunity to use this galactic network thing to show us what is going on in the rest of the galaxy.

We didn't get a medley. Okay. I was kind of hoping for one, Frontier's were fucking awesome, but I can understanding if they want to leave that as having been Frontier's thing. But we got NO NEW SONGS AT ALL. Fucking NONE. Talk about a wasted opportunity. We didn't even get a callback to one of the earlier songs in the show that we haven't heard in a while, its all the same shit they have been singing for the last 8 episodes.

No resolution on the Lady M thing. The war with Windmere is left on a giant ??? because they never agreed to stop being assholes and without Mikumo and the song mind control plan the NUN will just fucking roll them with the next fleet. Freya wins the bowl, but we don't get a payoff for all the death flag foreshadowing at all. They never even address the fact that she is fucking dying in dialog, they just show you close shots of her hand over and over.

>>14777517
The weekly show with visuals near Unicorn Gundam and the unique rhythm of Dunbine does not deserve your hate, stop whining about G Reco.

>>14777119
>he doesn't deny that the password is littleboydick

WATCH UTENA

>>14777634

And on top of all that, the protoculture ruin shit grinds my fucking gears into dust because they never got an explanation either. They serve no conceivable purpose other than this one very specific mind control plan, serving as a way to artificially inflate Windemere's threat level for the purpose of Delta's plot. Windmere is left all the tools, the control system for it, and the final stage can only be controlled by a Windmeren (a windemeren male at that, for extra specificity) because it plugs in your runes. So this whole system literally doesn't do jack shit for anyone other than Windemere and its royal family, and can't do anything but what mind control plot Roid was using it for anyway.

Which raises the question: why the FUCK is it only now being used? Everything was perfectly intact and waiting for them. Why on earth did the protoculture build all this shit and set up this weird trail of breadcrumbs system? Why didn't the protoculture use the system when they completed it themselves to SAVE THEIR CIVILIZATION AND SPECIES FROM EXTINCTION?

This is an ancient magic artifact plot device of the worst kind, because they isn't even a half-assed explanation for why it exists in the setting at all independent of pure plot necessity.

Like, holy fuck. This was a tremendously bad final episode. Even Captain Earth's was better, and I don't say that lightly.

The only reason this isn't the worst finale I have ever seen is because the devil made sure that E7:AO exists as a curse upon mankind.

>>14777645
But it was shit. 26 episodes were probably not enough.

>>14775566
Maybe they were planning on making the movie-exclusive VF but decided to just throw it in since they already had it prepared?

>>14777655
You expected a sensible conclusion on a show that drops plotpoints every now and then?

>>14777645

>unique rhythm of Dunbine

Are you retarded?
G-Reco and Dunbine have basically the same "rhythm" of every 80s Tomino show: starts fast, wanders in the middle for a really fucking long time, then hits the finish line at top speed.

>>14777695
I was talking about the episodic rhythm.
It's more action than politics or scenery/character development, since these last 2 things change very little through the show in both cases.

>>14777710

Wtf are you talking about? The action takes a backseat in the middle of G-Reco too, after having one fight per episode in the beginning and then ramping up later on. It's basically the same as Zeta Gundam.

Seriously I know you are one of the five people on /m/ who saw Dunbine all the way through and now you must want to flaunt that knowledge, but don't be an asshole. There is nothing special about G-Reco's fucking rhythm or whatever the fuck. It's standard 80s Tomino.

>>14777717
>The action takes a backseat in the middle of G-Reco too
There's only one episode in G-Reco with no action in it. Seriously do people who criticize G-Reco even know what they're talking about?

>>14777634
>We didn't even get a callback to one of the earlier songs in the show that we haven't heard in a while
There were several. Most notably the OP and ED themes from the first half of the series.

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End of Mirage's character arc
>"I think my flying skills are better now"
>I'm not actually going to demonstrate that by taking down any named enemy
>Flying space fighter jets is actually kinda fun
>Hayate I love you
>OK just ignore me, that's fine

>>14777655
Hey, AO had a thoroughly okay final episode, aside from the rage inducing line about multiple universe adventures

>Mirage got to get rejected in front of the entire galactic TANGmind

absolutely brutal

>>14777373
I miss wen the only melee weapons were a fucking empty gunpod or pinpoint barrier fist.

Frontier fucked everything up.

So the fact that the first half was great and the second half was garbage is the general consensus? Because that's how I feel.

The fact that the ending was so rushed really annoys me the most.

>>14777861
Nigger fuck you AO is so bad it hurts to think about that shit.

>>14777966

It makes sense that they would have some close range option, but I don't know why they don't just do beam sabers. Are they afraid it'd be too much like Gundam? Because in the Macross universe it makes way more sense than fucking anything else.

>>14778007

Beam sabers wouldn't make any sense in Macross. They have weapons that shoot beams, but they don't have anything that would result in a stable energy sword. It would literally just be a gun you held sideways that you only used in melee.

The could make a holographic sword easily, but that's all it would be: a hologram.

The anti-armor knife, at least, builds on established macross tech. Its literally a normal ass knife with a pinpoint field projector. Its a pinpoint barrier punch that you can cut with instead of bludgeon, for greater control and cleaner kills.

We don't even knife if the windemeren valk swords have that tech. They might just be metal.

A Gundam beam Saber is actually an i-field with hot particles inside. Macross could do that.

>>14777976

Pretty much.

Delta had 3 big sins that sunk it:

The first was making enough battles into song buff slow-mo shit that they started to feel samey, and killing the faced paced action that macross does best. Maybe that can be blamed on budget? I know they refrained from spamming missiles because of the cost. So MAYBE this was done out of necessity, but its a weakness regardless because it prevents cool fights from saving the show and covering up other flaws.

The second was saving too much shit for the endgame. If Mikumo had been revealed as a clone earlier, interesting shit could have been done with it as characterization instead of spending 4 episodes building up to a mystery the audience could easily guess, and then having the entire cast sort of brush it off. Its frankly mindboggling that they didn't have Mirage learn to fly 'not by the book' earlier in the show, because it being a last minute thing is sort of baffling as a development and it is ostensibly the reason she never did anything for the previous 25 episodes. I'm also not sure what saving all of those love confessions for the end was worth, because again it forces us to sit through 25 episodes of shit not happening just so that we can get a 'payoff' of fucking nothing.

The third major sin was that none of the characters have any kind of plot agency or impact, but nothing else to do either. There is nothing Hayate does that impacts or moves the plot. Hayate never forces Windemere to change its plans or tactics, he never causes them a defeat that delays them, his big great contribution to the war is being the excuse for why Keith doesn't just murder Walkure as soon as Messer died. He never is a reason a thing happened, he at best is a reason a thing didn't happen. And the same goes for fucking everyone else too. The plot rolls forward at the exact same pace regardless of whether Xaos or the knights win any given battle, even the supposedly important ones.

>>14778032

Could they? Minovksy tech doesn't exist in Macross, and they don't have an equivalent.

The closest thing Macross has to a force field or containment field is the pinpoint barrier, which they already use for melee attacks and its super effective for doing so. Filling the barrier with hot stuff doesn't actually buy them anything, because the indestructible wall of folded up space is what is doing the work, not whatever is behind it.

I'm sure they could make a short plasma blowtorch if they wanted, but just building an equivalently sized plasma gun and putting on their arms so they just shoot you in the face at point blank range and teaching the pilots gun-fu seems like a better use of the technology.

>>14777375
neckbeard fans can actually ruin those sorts of shows by vocal fans that don't get in barging into the discussion, like what bronies put MLP through, they tend to dominate the discussion and force out the people it's supposed to empower.

Similarly, One of the reason I champion GGG is it empowers non-masculine boys and men. where most bad mecha shows are shit power fantasies that are only power fantasies for the masculine majority, and even non-masculine characters are forced to "adapt or die" or "become masculine or die" in those situation. One of the reason GGG trolled EVA so well is it had the complete opposite message. What if non-masculine boys could have power and agency without changing who they are and "manning up".

ANd I could see that my point of view could be harmful to the discussion of those shows, because I'm not that identity and my input on it as someone who is privledged and doesn't understand the show on that basis is detracting from the discussion.

>>14777454
I can't say that I'm not a transphobe (all cis people are to some degree) but trans women are women, and they're not invading spaces by liking "girly things" because they're women, that's how they identify.

I don't, I'm cis, and I have certain privledge,but just like few works give representation to women or transpeople, very, VERY few works give representation to non-masc men/boys the way GGG does.

Until more works come out to give representation to me, I have to either pray for good shows that has stuff I identify with come out like GGG, or watch stright white cis guy stuff and be repeatedly dissappointed when non-masc men are bullied into changing for the sake of pack mentality power structure.

GoodGoyGar

>>14771481
Cry more, cuck.

>>14778200
>I'm cis,
Doesn't cis mean straight? Aren't you a faggot? Or does Cis just mean you don't "identify" as a jellyfish or a space whale or whatever.

>>14778200
It's astounding to witness the level of mental gymnastics you're willing to go through in your attempts to justify your lack of interest in anything that doesn't prominently feature little boys.

I just finished watching Delta.

What happened?

Is there going to be a second season, or sequel movie or something? Because it feels like the story is only half finished.

>>14778250
Cis is supposed mean someone is normal, instead of a tranny. Trannys are pushing it since past groups tricked normal people into calling themselves straight.

>>14777469
Clawshrimpy is like a real-life, modern-day Shinji. It's fun to dig deeper into his psyche and analyze what makes him so fucked up.

>>14778250
cis means you aren't trans.

>>14778289
Well, all the shows that have non-masc teens and adults are fucking gross and are offensive in how they are treated, like EVA, Gurren Lagann, every Tomino show in existance, etc.

>>14778318
That was it. Supposedly, the entire second cour was the one movie split up over 13 episodes.

>>14778319
can you guys cut it out with the anti-LGBT slurs?

>>14778426
No.

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>>14777984
AO only got bad after like episode 12. Before that it was pretty okay. And the finale gave us this, the funniest pair of confessions in anime history.

>>14778200
>>14778412
>where most bad mecha shows are shit power fantasies that are only power fantasies for the masculine majority, and even non-masculine characters are forced to "adapt or die" or "become masculine or die" in those situation. One of the reason GGG trolled EVA so well is it had the complete opposite message. What if non-masculine boys could have power and agency without changing who they are and "manning up".
That's very much not what EVA was, you have no idea what you're complaining about.

>ANd I could see that my point of view could be harmful to the discussion of those shows, because I'm not that identity and my input on it as someone who is privledged and doesn't understand the show on that basis is detracting from the discussion.
Gee. Then why you gotta bag on EVA?

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What do you guys think of the Super Siegfried?

Good design? Shit design?

Seems like its a space-combat only pack as they never have it equipped in atmospheric combat.

>>14778426
Please, PLEASE stop coming back here. You contribute absolutely nothing to this board and lower the quality of any thread you post in. All of your "arguments" start with "it's not GGG so it's shit". All you do is regurgitate the exact same shit, then get upset when people are angy at you. You enjoy ONE mecha anime, and come here to complain about the 768 others you hate. I know I'm not the only one that is pissed off at how much of a dismal, stubborn, moronic drain you are. Not to mention that on your last visit, you revealed yourself to be an ass-backwards lunatic that supported the murder of innocents. GO AWAY, Jesus Christ Clawshrimpy please, please, PLEASE just FUCKING GO AWAY. FUCK YOU.

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>The military are now genocidal villains
Kaifun was right

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>>14778426
I remember when a friend and I followed your twitter for the schadenfreude but then it got dark and depressing and you started talking about suicide and we felt bad and tried to keep you from offing yourself one night

Then you blocked me for being problematic because your boyfriend asked you to after he tried to explain to me that "shota" is a non-sexual term

I'm glad you're still doing well :^)

>>14778486
Good design. All in all, the mecha design was really the only saving grace for this show. The Siegfriend and Draken are both really strong designs. IMO a step up from the Frontier variable fighters, which never really seemed that Macrossy to me.

I'm looking forward to seeing some variant color schemes for both the VF-31 and sv-262 that have a more military flavor than we saw in the show.

Every night Clawshrimpy dreams that he's tied to a chair in a dark room watching Ryoma Nagare and Kamina violently rape Guy Shishioh in the ass as he watches with tears in his eyes and also a boner

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>>14777976
I kinda feel like this too, the problem with the first half it's that they dragged the "Mikumo is mysterious" too much. Second half had some good moments but it felt slow at first and then rushed.

But these moments were particularly too stupid for me
>Don't bring another pilot, I can do the job of two pilots and maintain the aerial formation just fine, just trust me

>Our sister may be dead but, who cares? we have Freyja

>>14778071
>The third major sin was that none of the characters have any kind of plot agency or impact, but nothing else to do either. T
Yep. Basically the Windermere race declared war, had internal disagreements, then started peace talks on their own. Delta Squadron had next to no influence on the war other than supplying Mikumo. You can basically remove Delta Squad entirely or make them faceless grunts, and the plot would stay the same.

>>14778554
Oh man a grey VF-31 sounds hot.

I unironically loved the white and gold Draken though. Time to wait and see if the kit will exist, let alone exist outside of P-Bandai.

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Have people started pretending like they always loved Frontier yet or do I have to wait for the movies?

Why there was no Chaos grunts during final battle? Did writers forget about Alpha/Beta/Gamma squads?

>>14778445

Stop trying to reason with him, he's applying Tumblr and Twitter logic to everything since he spent the last several months talking into an echo chamber.

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>>14778412
What's not to love about this sperglord?

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>>14778620
Yeah I'm holding out on any Delta purchases until Bandai or Hasegawa get to the cannon fodder aircraft.

The inevitable VF-31 edition of Variable Fighter Archives ought to be interesting. The VF-4 edition was really well done.

>>14778636
Huh, it manages to look even more like a Sukhoi in grey. I love it.

>>14778623
They were killed when Ragna was nuked by NUNS. NUNS are evil.

>>14778486
The CG is fugly.

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>>14778759
Here's the Bandai kit. I would have preferred to see the FAST packs moved towards the center of the aircraft rather than attached to the wings, but I imagine Kawamori was constrained by their placement in battroid mode.

>>14778636

Are there scans of the VF-4 VF Master File?

>>14771736
>worse than SEED Destiny
i consider ep34 to be the final episode of destiny, in which case it still isn't worse
>>14772872
A/Z was worse with its stoic version of SEED Destiny Kira and the complete disbelieve of a single kid being intellectually, militarily superior to everyone around him without batting an eye.

when you consider Macross has always been about Valkyries, Idols and the idea that the power of Love and Music can conquer all, the ending is about as i expected it to be.

>first half was better

well they made good on their promise that it would be more valk v. valk in the first half at least. story got kind of wonky afterward.

>>14771505
the whole Lady M thing is a huge middle finger to the fans in spite of everything i've just said in defense of the show. why even bring it up in the context they did if not to tease us? and they even had to throw in 'Do You Remember Love?'

>>14778771
That looks pretty good.

too bad it only was used in 2 episodes.

Which kit would look better though? The VF-31J vanilla or with the super pack?

>>14778771
love those stubby wings. it's like seeing the YF-19 become a VF-19 all over again

just kidding, it's shit.

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>>14778771
There were speakers instead of the gunpod in ep 6. I don't think they'll be in the kit though.

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>VF-31s have lower specs than the VF-29 and VF-30

You already knew delta was going to be shit from that point. Gg

>>14778841
>>14778771
>>14778486
Its kind of unfortunate that the Super Pack only saw use in two episodes

I quite like the angular design of the boosters.

At some point, the writers decided to focus the story on the Evil Empire and give them Reasons for being utterly abhorrent shits to way more people than were ever affected by The Bomb, as opposed to really running with the Jpop Squad's misadventures. The entire narrative is tone deaf as hell, even given Macross' pretty bizarre outlook on war in general. It's honestly a little creepy that Windermere basically gets away scot-free from killing who knows how many people across an entire galaxy, because at the end of the day "they had reasons!" Even the deaths they do suffer in the war THEY started are treated casually and are of no consequence. At best they are explosions in the fore/background while our heroes plow through a generic defensive line nearly effortlessly.

NUNS also had reasons to do their pre-emptive strike, but those are both considered to be bad and also get explored all of like five whole minutes, since the show spent half its run-time trying to drag out the mystery of WHO dropped the bomb and WHY. We are teased constantly with plot threads that end up going nowhere or are outright forgotten. In general, the conflict is just weakly conceived from the ground up, since like it most anime, it exists for the sake of conflict existing to begin with.

(cont.)

Time to kick Kawamori out of Macross.

>>14778902
Neither NUNS or Space Japan Who Didn't Do Anything Wrong feel like governments or organizations staffed by intelligent beings making rational or even irrational decisions. They just exist to have sides in a space war, and events occur between them not for any reasons that follow a logical chain of events, but rather that we need something to spur our protagonists and antagonists to have space battles almost entirely lacking in suspense and consequences up until the very end. A character dies in Delta squad not because This Is War, but rather because in Macross we expect to have a Sempai die for the sake of granting motivation to his comrades/fledgling pilots. And then, his death basically accomplishes nothing beyond that. Hayate clowns the White Knight almost immediately after taking up the mantle, and that's the most Messer gets until his offhand mention at the start of the final battle, and some flashback images.

There are repeated attempts throughout Delta to really up the stakes, and it never fails to feel trite and convenient. There just HAPPENS to be a Protoculture super weapon in all the right locations that just HAPPEN to benefit the silly rune people's/ROID's (I will never tire of laughing at how dumb this name/character ultimately is) ambitions. There just HAPPENS to be a singer to counter our heroes. The windmereans just HAPPEN to have VFs that are perfect compliments to our heroes. Mikumo just HAPPENS to be the Key to the System. The System just HAPPENS to be capable of something akin to Instrumentality, and of course ONE particular Space Gendo just HAPPENS to know everything he needs to know about it so we can have our obligatory multi-song concert/space battle because if Frontier did it then we have to do it.

(cont.)

>>14778907
This all gets capped off by the weakest sequel bait ever. "We'll have to deal with the Un Government someday!" declares the Littlest Emperor. So not only did nothing actually get resolved beyond dealing with some dude's sudden god complex and insecurity over his short lifespan, but Windermere still feels like they are the good guys after, well, everything. It's just so, so very stupid.

I'm a hundred percent willing to accept that I'm expecting something out of Macross that it isn't and never has been willing to provide. However, Frontier, Plus, the Original series, and even ZERO never left me feeling anywhere near this negative about the things Macross uniquely does. I love those shows for what they are, even with the flaws they also possess. Delta inspires no desire to rewatch any single episode, or even relisten to any of the music. It doesn't even begin to approach the crazy awesome stuff Frontier had going on. Hell, that entire final Sheryl/Ranka medley during the last episode of Frontier alone is enough to eclipse the last two episodes of Delta.

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>>14778906
>>14778906
>Get Urobuchi to direct a Macross

>>14778918
i guess he still hang up with zeta gundam

>>14778918

Do you really want to put Urobuchi "the twist is humans" Gen in charge of Macross?

>>14778909
>sayonara no tsubasa medley

That was too good

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>>14778927
yes

>>14778932

I don't know if you realize this but Sayonara no Tsubasa wasn't in the TV show.

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I just felt the entire series left everything half hearted, and only ended up being a "macross" in the most shallowest of forms.

It never dove deep into exploring the main characters or the love triangle.

The whole idol group setup also kinda failed because it just spread attention too thin.

I guess I just go watch the MacrossF movies again to shake this diappointment off.

>>14778934

That's basically Macross Zero.
Is that really what you want, anon?

Honestly from where I sit all of Delta's problems are from a fucked up production, which would kill any show.

>>14777984
Sup E7fag

>>14778937
No but that song by itself blows any of delta's songs out the water.

>>14778946

But no one was talking about that. You are like some kind of drone that just mindlessly repeats Frontierfag memes.

>>14778950
i dunno if you realize this, but sayonara no tsubasa had a medley as well.

and thats what we're talking about.

and since we're talking bout medleys its relevant.

>>14778958

That guy was talking about the medley during the last ep of Frontier, not the one in the movies. It's two different medleys. It's like if someone was talking about Ai wa Nagareru from SDF TV and comparing that to Try Again in 7 and then you started talking about how DYRL was awesome. Well yeah, it was, but no one was talking about it.

>>14770212
But Delturd is bad, slow and void of substance. I doubt people would even give a shit if not for the vanilla kiddy romance.

>>14778939

Honestly, the setup and premise could have given us a good show. 15 characters to give a shit about is a lot, but other anime have done it before.

The problem is that Delta was unwilling to let anything happen until the finale. Mikumo isn't allowed to be anything but generically mysterious until the last couple episodes, just before she gets grabbed and turned into an imprisoned plot device. Mirage isn't allowed to do anything to advance her relationship with Hayate EVER, and isn't allowed to stop sucking as a pilot until the finale for arbitrary reasons. The love 'triangle', which is super super decided early on, is strung along until the finale for nonsensical reasons that lack any payoff.

It just feels all very stale, like someone in a room decided 'these are the big developments that will make the finale cool' but failed to realize that there wasn't anything to do UNTIL THE FINALE under those circumstances.

For fucks sake, our second to last episode is a talking heads episode that completely fails to build any kind of hype going into the ending. They have so little going on that they have to waste 10 minutes on of their 24 runtime introducing a scary NUN fleet so that they can kill it after the credits and remove the only thing added external pressure on the fight to make the finale different from the last 12 fights against windemere.

Given where things ended, I can't even imagine why Bogue is still alive. He is the most killable knigh, and killing him would easily have been a major milestone for Hayate or Mirage, both of which desperately needed it. But he never fucking does anything, and what little he does in the finale is a total non-payoff.

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Was I a food in hoping Mikumo would at least measure up to Sheryl in terms of goddess-ness?

>>14771505
>understanding ending
I miss The Fool guys.

>>14778981

We give a shit because its Macross, which is a damn shame because unlike Gundam which gets a new show once or twice a year? This is likely to be the only Macross we get this decade, and its really underwhelming. So the salt gets rubbed into the wound petty hard.

>>14777854
The hilarious part is that someone was actually paid to write this. Do they accept anyone for anime writing? Is there even a selection of are janitors fine?

>>14778987
>waited years for a new Macross since Frontier
>it's cheap and crappy
Did Kawamori spend all the money they got from Frontier on lifelong stocks of cocaine?

>>14778987
2008 - Macross F
2011 - Macross F Movies
2013 - Macross 30
2016 - Macross Delta
20XX? - Macross Next?!?!?!?!

Hopefully the Macross Delta movies end up being good...

>>14778997
I hope there won't be Macross Delta movie, just skip it to next Macross.

>>14778442
AO was an okay motw show before the midpoint, then they suddenly went for some convoluted idea of a plot they didn't know how to develop so they simply padded the shit out of the show with endless explosions. Then the OVA managed to be even worse.

>>14778993
I really wonder why Macross F was able to catch on in the Jap public so much better than Delta.

Macross F OSTs were literally the top selling CDs for months, and even normies in japan who don't often watch anime like Macross F.

>>14778982

I think the worst part about how they handled Mikumo was how long they stretched out the reveal of who she was, and then while it was suitably crazy, they then wasted more time getting Mikumo back only to have everyone go "ok lol." Nothing was revealed, not even about Lady M. There were two episodes that were half an hour of Burger just explaining everything they couldn't put in the actual show.

Even the finale fell kinda flat. Keith gets his big moment, when after suspecting Roid for half the show and being at odds with him he just let Roid do whatever the fuck he wanted to set up this moment. The only explanation would seriously be that Keith and Roid were homo for each other because otherwise Keith cutting Roid so much slack is nonsense.

Where the fuck were Arad and Chuck at the end, seriously? Arad is probably the worst Skull Squadron leader in the whole franchise.

I think what hurts most is that all these problems were very easily fixable. They could have had the windnigger side be bigger with Hermann's son and Bogue's sister or some other bullshit and then killed them along with one of the fag twins so the windniggers seemed like they could actually lose instead of being this tiny six man band that just tears everyone's asshole uncontested and never gains any kind of development.

They could have killed Arad if they were going to make him such an absolute useless shitter and could have had Chuck ACTUALLY SHOW UP IN THE SHOW holy shit because despite half the action taking place on Chuck's homeworld he is just fucking nowhere.

And Mirage... Mirage was such a nonentity I think they should have just replaced her with Chuck's sister so Delta would have two flying fishmen and then killed Chuck.

How much of this first half was better talk, is really because you thought stuff would go somewhere and were just generally more forgiving?

Cause you really can apply a lot of the same criticisms here to the beginning

>>14778984

Mikumo never had a chance because despite being the most important character in the show, they seemed afraid to make a main character, probably out of fear of her being Sheryl 2.0. So instead she's a side character until the absolute last moment when they could no longer avoid making the show about her.

Contrast this with Sheryl who, since they were actually treating her as a main character, had consistent focus and screentime from episode 1.

>>14777976
I wouldn't really point at the halfway point; it kept going fairly strong for a few episodes past that. It was after the birthday episode, or maybe the next episode after that, that the show really started to lose steam.

>>14779004
>I really wonder why Macross F was able to catch on in the Jap public so much better than Delta
Frontier had effort, much more than any Satelight show that came after it. Frontier was fun and dynamic, the songs gave great energy to the show and it managed to balance action sequences and comfy characters pretty well.

Delta is just a shell of Macross on shoestring budget with no effort whatsoever beyond Kawamori going "look this is Freyja, kyawaii, kyawaii guhuhu".

Also muh wind ad nauseam because writing dialogues is too much trouble.

>>14779016
>>14779008

I'm willing to accept that Macross is always going to have some slot points.

I think the turning point for me was when shit got absolutely insane during episode 19 and then immediately afterwards we got nothing. Just straight up nothing. Episode 19 was basically where the show should have started entering the endgame. Instead it spun its wheels.

>>14779004
It had been a long time since any mainline Macross TV and also there was a lot pandering in it

I don't mean that positively or negatively. Just that it pandered to every group imaginable as best as it could and did it well enough

Also Sheryl

>>14779008
I like the first half because there is much more action episodes, the atmosphere of Ragna and having the story set there was kind of unique and well done, there is a lot more misadventures with Walkure and Delta squad, it just had a lot LOT more energy in general. Like it knew it was going to be this ridiculous show and it knew it but also knew when to be serious so I thought it had an idea of where it was going better

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Personally I'm curious how delicious chocolate was able to spawn a nice white girl.

>>14779040

They are probably only slightly tan and living on a tropical island makes them browner. And then her husband and her daughter's husband gave Sheryl two generations to white it up.

>That feel when you realize we may have just watched the final episodes of the Macross Series, as it might never get a sequel due to how bad it will do in terms of sales.

See you later space cowboy.

>>14779044

If Kawamori has any dignity he will leverage all he has to come out with some movies after that new thing he is working on.

>>14778984
No, it's just Kawamori making sure to nerf the shit out of her fearing that people would only care about her otherwise.

I'm kind of bummed with this to be honest. Self admitting massive Miragefag. Not even bummed that she lost but the fact that Freyja is implied to be on a heavily reduced lifespan makes the ending so much more bittersweat.

As well as that, there was fuck all mecha action the whole show. The one fight on Ragna was excellent, but after that it was kind of lacking. The Immelman dance never really was used, so Battroid mode was hardly every used in favour of dog fighting.

I don't know. I hate to say that I really think I enjoyed Frontier more overall, which is a shame because Delta started off so strong. Hopefully it can be salvaged by some movies.

>>14779058

Sometimes it feels like Macross TV series exist as just big advertisements for movies

>>14779044
>due to how bad it will do in terms of sales.
It's not Frontier level but I'm pretty sure there isn't any other anime that aired other than Re:Zero that matched it in sales from Spring.

Also I mean, I think they could justify a movie based on Walkure's music sales alone

>>14779062

It didn't used to be this way, but I think that maybe Frontier's movies were TOO successful. So maybe they consider Delta: the show to really just be a placeholder for Delta: the movies.

And the worst part is? It will fucking work. I desperately want a version of Delta that isn't shit, and a shorter runtime with more concise storytelling is exactly what delta needs to avoid the vast majority of the problems plaguing it. The movies would have to be pretty bad to not easily fix Deltas problems during the translation. As long as they are not just editted clipshows of footage from the show, we will be good.

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Even the second Walkure Album was shit compared to the first.

what happened!

>>14775566
That Hayate is standing on his own two feet now?
Also, that's a valkirie. Walkuere. Whatever.

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>That feel when the best girl objectively was reduced to being cum-fodder canonically.

>>14779058
>>14779062
>>14779088
I hope the sponsors this time not allowing Kawamori use movie to fix his shit and kick him out then find someone to in charge next Macross TV.