Five Star Stories

>>14746228
The moment you said "G Reco" was the moment your bait went to shit.

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>>14746228
>designs that look like they came from some toy commercial

What did he mean by this?

>>14746228
Did you really have to use a Geass reference?

>>14746228
Citizen Kane is fucking garbage, I'm not surprised pretentious pseudo-intellectuals like you would hold it in such high regard. Especially coming from someone who couldn't even follow G-Reco.

This board is a fucking joke. I'd say your opinions are laughable but that would imply I could derive some pleasure from them.

Boring ass movie. Felt like I was watching some sort of half-assed ad for the manga rather than something that genuinely stood up on its own.

>>14746228
1/10 made me reply.

I hate Nagano, I hate his artsy crusade against anything that involves actually making his work known outside Japan, I hate his horrible attitude regarding anything that is NOT his work.

But FSS, and in particular that OVA is most certainly one of the best things ever made in japan during the 80s. Its production quality and soundtrack, its visual narrative and constant attention to details (and let us remember that Nagano only draws details, the rest is just a plaster of flat surfaces with nothing to talk about, including his characters).

Yes, the story is hard to follow because, like anything nagano, is supposed to be part of something bigger, that ova was meant to make people ask what was FSS, and it did so, for years to come.

Seriouslly, stick to your post 2010 anime cuz' you certainly can't watch anything else. Heck, I bet you've never actually seen Citizen Kane, which is, completly overrated.

>>14747019
>who couldn't even follow G-Reco.
ye olde "it's not stupid, YOU'RE stupid" reflex still going, eh?
Any criticism must be decried as the stupidity of the viewer?
This is precisely why everyone outside of its fanbase hates it's fanbase. And to suck Tomino's dick in the same breath as bashing legitimate cinema that's praised by critics and filmmakers alike, no less.

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>>14747071
>He thinks the opinions of critics matter
Hi MAL and ANN user

>>14747080
>it's not shit, it's actually good!

>>14747080
>MAL and ANN user
I'm sorry, what? Are those some substrate of the Motion Picture Academy I wasn't previously aware of?
If they're mecha sites you're shooting WAY off because I only /m/. I don't even /a/, much less any other BBS.

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>tfw the FSS OVA wasn't an adaptation of the Traffics chapters

Those chapters might not have been out yet when they made it, but goddamnit I want to see the Bang Doll and Ashura Temple fight animated

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Would you?

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It's moeshit

>>14747039
>I hate his horrible attitude regarding anything that is NOT his work.

You fall for the meme?

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>>14747168
>JAPAN HAS NOT PRODUCED ANY PORN OF THIS CHARACTER THAT I'VE MANAGED TO FIND

REEEEEEEE

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>>14747207
Do you like guro?

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>>14747219
I completely forgot about that scene.

>>14747219
fuck, now I want to reread that arc

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>>14746228
>It's a "time to copypasta from /a/ to piss everyone off" thread

>>>/a/147368942

>>14747039
>I hate his horrible attitude regarding anything that is NOT his work

Such as?

>>14747570
He generally dislikes anything that he, himself didn't create. It was supposedly a bitch to get even L-Gaim into Super Robot Wars because Nagano hates the idea of his perfect machines being scratched by 'lesser designs'.

>>14748153
>supposedly

This is the keyword here. I hear this shit all the time but there's never a given source.

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>>14748153
>Nagano hates the idea of his perfect machines being scratched by 'lesser designs'.

This is literally bullshit that some assblasted faggot wrote on TV Tropes years ago after seeing Nagano's tongue-in-cheek LED Mirage quote about how it could beat up his favorite SRW characters, and people still think there's some truth to it? Why not actually look up the facts and see that the FSS design was mistakenly used in place of an L-Gaim one and Nagano didn't want FSS to have anything to do with L-Gaim.

I'll bet you also believe that Nagano stole his wife from Tomino too despite the fact that he was the best man at his wedding.

I've never seen so much stupidity and dumb speculation over a single person in the anime industry before.

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>>14748153
>He generally dislikes anything that he, himself didn't create.

Yeah, which is why he wrote a 5 page essay of nothing but praise for 0079 and Yas's the Origin manga, showed up at the Kunio Okawara's design anniversary or whatever last year to thank him for his work (the only Gundam designer to do so), and publicly endorse Linebarrels of Iron along with Yas.

But since he said one bad thing about Turn A, as a joking response to the one time Tomino trashed his L-Gaim designs, you automatically think he doesn't like ANYONE's designs. Get that hateboner out of your ass.

>>14746228
Here's your (you)。

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>>14748191
>publicly endorse Linebarrels of Iron along with Yas

Source? I'd like to know what he said about Okawara too.

>>14747039
>I hate his artsy crusade against anything that involves actually making his work known outside Japan

This I agree with wholeheartedly, though it's not that surprising considering how horribly US publishers fucked up selling FSS's manga here. In his eyes there are no fans outside of Japan, all because Bob McBurgers couldn't be assed to sell FSS in a normal store like B&N where people would actually be able to buy it.

>>14748218
>Source?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-12-12/iron-linebarrel-robot-manga-to-be-animated-in-2008

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>>14748218
>I'd like to know what he said about Okawara too.

If you can understand moon.

http://www.gundam.info/topic/13851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IesG5j60nA

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>>14748219
What's amazing is I've managed to find 2 issues of the Five Star Stories manga at local places over the past few years. It's amazing being able to look at the huge pages of artwork.

>>14748228
Thanks

>>14748243
>I've managed to find 2 issues of the Five Star Stories manga at local places over the past few years.

Good for you, now try finding English volumes 24-26 below $300 and you can get a cookie.

>>14748253
I got vol 1 for 10 bucks which is going for 60 on Amazon.

>>14748260
Volume 1 is the easiest to find because it had the largest quantity published. Good for you, but actually hunting down all 24 English volumes is a fucking nightmare unless you have over a grand to spare.

>>14746245
It was pretty shit bait regardless.

>>14748303
It's not bait, it's what some faggot on /a/ actually believes. >>14747548

That whole thread was painful.

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>>14747039
>Nagano only draws details, the rest is just a plaster of flat surfaces with nothing to talk about, including his characters

>whining about characterization in a manga that consistently switches protagonists and timejumps every other chapter

Wow, it's like, a bunch of stories put together that happen to take place in the same setting or something. I never would have guessed that from the name.

L-Gaim is better

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>>14748414
I think there are a fair number of characters that receive their fair share of character development. Like Kaien, Atropos, Est, Christine, Sopp, Aisha, Decors, and more.

>>14748417
There's actually a story arc that hasn't been fully explored that is pretty much L-Gaim.

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>>14748417
L-Gaim's hobbled by a very plodding second half with a lot of episodes that are just battles. That'd be okay if it wasn't 80's TV anime budget battles.

Was there a Gablet Gablae character in FSS? It's been a while since I read it but I don't recall any analogue to him in it. He was probably my favorite part of L-Gaim

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>>14748784
Not sure, but I'd say Nei Mo Han could be Aisha or Li-ex's daughter.

There's that L-Gaim artwork with artwork by Nagano that pretty much proto-proto-FSS and that has a lot of hints in it, iirc. Daiba and Amandara Kamandara are the most obvious.

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>>14748814
>An indefining work, the Five Star Stories, the main character often uses the pseudonym Ladios Sopp. If you spell this backwards...you get "ppossoidal".


Fake Poseidal could be Aisha or Hind Kill.

>>14748821
Thanks for the wallpaper anon.
I don't even read FFS but it looks neat.

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>>14748784
>Was there a Gablet Gablae character in FSS?

Decors, sort of? The guy who starts out as comic relief but ends up actually being really skilled and competent and one of the most dangerous people in the story, even when you can't take him seriously, and whose motivations for siding with anyone is literally "why the fuck not, could be fun".

And they both pilot the Batshu.

>>14748821
isn't fake poseidal literally uplanda raymu though

>>14748878
Who?

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>Blood Temple is a super heavy metal type robot with two Flosses in its legs to support its immense weight. The battle at Traydetoal(?) Balakoon(?) was over in only eighteen hours.

>This B.Temple is No.8. The first head liner was Duke Falk U.Ronher(!), No.4 of the Temple Knights. The B.Temple No.8 made eight sorties following this battle. In every mission except the last St.War. It is recorded that the formal head liners of B.Temple had been three during the 800 years before Posaydal left Pentagna. It was damaged in the Migun War in 3958 and was modified in the AP.

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>The Fring Court of Oldna Posaydal, Float Temple, floated in the upper air of Gusstugul at a height of 10,000 meters. The Temple Series was born in this temple. The seven towers are Ashura Temple, Blood Temple, Calvary Temple, Destiny Temple, Empirel Temple, Ghost Temple, and the main temple of Posaydal - Lachesis Tower.

>In front is the battleship of Posaydal - Star Ship Trooper "The AP" - 1.3 kilometers in length. At the inlet above it, the cruiser Wheel is anchored.

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>There are three in the Empirel Temple Lachesis, Atropos and Posaydal. Posaydal obtained two of three sisters Cloth, Lachesis and Atropos who are said to be the strongest among the Fatimas, the super computer androids. He is now the strongest head liner in both name and reality. He put Atropos into his Pdeen Auge and Lachesis of his bossom into the newly made Destiny Temple, the strongest heavy metal in Pentagna.

>He was said to be a genius for battle, having a super brain and good apperance, and is able to smash the enemy even if attached by twelve temple knights in a group. Later, Lachesis experienced a tragedy and was thrown to the end of space, but after her death Atropos stayed faithful to the king to his end. It seems that she charmed not only a human being but also a robot. How envious!

>Ironically, the Cloth was put into Ahmesu which was held by the second Pentagna King, Comen VI.

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>The Ghast TEmple is now going to war in Bastogne in Kalmity, the oldest star among the five stars in Pentagna, following steam disinfection. The man leading is John Weinzierl, the head linder of this Ghast Temple. Like this, each heavy metal goes to war after being adapted for the gravity and chemistry of each individual star.

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>During the latter half of the year, the army of Posaydal exploded Kalamity, and using a Planet bomer only just completed, showered missles like hail from the sasellites orbit to the ground of Coremu. The center of city was completely destroyed, and the heavy metal trampled.

>This is the tactics that Posaydal mostly employed, which was impossible without absolute authority over space. The city of Coremu, Depsture, was destroyed in only fifteen minutes.

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>>14750011
>The debris of Kalamity are thrown into the space at an enormous speed. The Destiny Temple and Lachesis are sleeping in these debris. According to the judgement by Lachesis, Posaydal could escape from the Temple, then the Temple and Lachesis sank into the gelafinous marsh.

>Just before the explosion of Kalamity, Posaydal threw the instantaneous hardener into the marsh with the planet bomber, which made it float in the rock in a semi-fossilized state in space.

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>Emper Temple sunk into the sea of Mirus ... This was probably subjected to flee. One buster launcher was completely blown and seems to have burnt up. In the era of the Second St. War, the tactics of Posaydal was known by the King of Mizun, Comen V, accounting for such bitter defeat.

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MK II, Grayon flying over the Marlloon valley in Coremu. It is a heavily equipped bomber with, twelve power launchers and a buster launcher. It is impossible to modify it into a heavy metal.

>With the apperance of the Grayon, heavy metal is now completing its original functions. Fifteen years later, no heavy metal could be seen in Pentagna. The head liner in Gawley Hat. Rassey, Wundersharze. In the head of heavy metal was found the basic part of Blood Temple, No.3 The Coremu where there are lots of karse(?) was most suitable for the basement of the rebel army.

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>The last scene of Posaydal Temple... the heavy metal of rebel army, Intercepter... After one attack by a buster of the MK III Wander Skats (whose head liner, Nel Moo Hann was an ex-officer of the Posaydal army), it disintergrated in mid-air, although F.Temple was already empty by this time. The MKIII was a variable space battleship rather than a heavy metal type, and the main weapon in Pentagna later became one of this type. At the end of the war, only seven units of Heavy Metal existed, and these were sealed and kept in the museum. The age of heavy metal was then over.

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>>14750050
End

>>14747071
>legitimate cinema
Citizen Kane is boring, poorly-written, poorly-directed, poorly-filmed and overall mediocre. The praise it gets was only valid at the time it was made because everything else that came out around then was fucking tripe.

The only people who still say Citizen Kane is good are pretentious hipster shitwads like /tv/. If you're too stupid to follow G-Reco any criticism from you is invalid.

>>14747138
>Motion Picture Academy
Oh, yeah, the same people who gave an Oscar to Gravity, Boyhood and Mad Max. Some of the worst pieces of shit Hollywood has churned out of its asshole. Who gives a fuck what they think? Oh wait, you're stupid enough to take their word as gospel.

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>>14748414
>You will never pee with your fatima
Why live

>>14750357
>Mad Max
Shit taste detected

>>14750346
>everything else that came out around then was fucking tripe.

Stick with your hollywood action blockbusters, anon.

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>>14749899
the fatima that looks exactly like Amaterasu, who replaces him when he retires after conquering everything. He fires the mirage knights, and then gets ass beat by the not-Daba Colus

>>14748173
Man, Nagano is pretty handsome.

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>>14750937
Everyone working in the anime industry during the 80s was a gorgeous hunk at that time.

>>14750957
So you're telling me that Blue Blazes really was about beautiful people doing beautiful animation?

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>>14751021
For the most part yes. But BB didn't include everyone.

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>>14751054

>>14751057
>he even put the scar on

I love Nagano.

>>14750910
Isn't that Hind Kill

>>14746228
Shit bait overall, but claiming FSS designs looks like something from a toy commercial, while comparing it to G Reco, which was literally just a big fucking toy commercial, really, REALLY annoys me.

>>14751057
What a fucking nerd.

>>14748309
Yea, /a/ is full of plebs because the no spoonfeed rule backfired hard and /wsr/ was created too late to fix it. That's why we're here and not there.

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>>14748173
Nagano is an Asian John Romero holy shit

>just recently pick up FSS
>love the first arc with Sopp and Lachesis
>enjoying the way the story establishes itself as a mythos with preordained events while still surprising you fairly often, somewhat in the way that Dune does
>reach the arc with the Motherfucking Demon Alien monsters or whatever the fuck

...Wait, where did that come from? Is this a case of "just keep reading it'll make sense later" or is this shit just going bonkers?

I mean, I'm pretty sure they're Kallen's Posse and just doing some Time Fuckery intervention, but then robot cthulu shows up and what? Huh? What the fuck?

I'm loving this shit, despite the distant sounds of "Acceptable in the 80s" playing on repeat in the back of my mind.

>>14751852
You mean the SATAN?

>>14751852
IIRC

Amaterasu (Sopp) is super powerful and either he or his child is supposed to defeat literally Satan when he tries to enter the FSS Universe. As a result, Sopp spends all of his time building the AKD empire, recruiting the best warriors, and developing the best weapons and mortar headds to prepare for the ultimate battle. Its been a long time since I read FSS so I dont remember

>>14751894
Yes, they literally called it Satan. At the time I thought the whole fairy tale story was going to be a metaphor for how humanity fucked up whatever used to live on the planet they were currently chilling on, but then the very same motherfucking helldemons show up out of nowhere to do...something? And some of the Mirage knights start killing eachother and suddenly there's a little shit cousin of Amaterasu vying for the throne...I think?

After the first few volumes, I was starting to wonder why so many consider FSS to be "impenetrable," but I think I might be scraping against the beginnings of that now.

...Or not, maybe shit will go back to normal and things will be better explained later.

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>>14751852
Satan are really weird and not that relevant to the story. The only reason they even exist is so that the Dragons have a reason to exist as well. They're also the final bosses of the Taika Universe arc with Maximum and Silvis, which we never got to see in-depth either.

>>14751899
Sopp gathers up his best knights and The Will to find Lachesis after she got flung into outer space with KOG after Kallamity Goddarce was blown up IIRC. The SATAN are just one of the enemies he encounters along the way, but not the main reason.

I've been hearing that the new retconned timeline writes SATAN out of existence completely, but I've yet to see proof. If it is true though it just goes to show how unreliable the whole thing is.

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>>14751939
To add to that, something that should be said about FSS is that it uses a lot of visual metaphor. That's how you get to see characters like Joker, who is the god of that universe being created out of thin air, or why Amaterasu's mom turns into a naked angel halfway through a conversation with him, or why Colus's dead spirit talks to Silvis, and most importantly, why Lachesis seems to "shift form" from her normal loli mode to Goddess mode in volume 3. The SATAN are the same, they're just an urban legend that somehow miraculously came to life because of Amaterasu's existence.

The key to it all is Amaterasu/Sopp himself. He's literally God, so he serves as a sort of gatekeeper between the fairy tales and the real world, but just by existing in the real world (with Headdliners and MH and Fatima) he brings in certain aspects of this fairy tale with him that can't be avoided. He's like a European settler bringing his smallpox to the Americas.

It's a neat concept but it doesn't come across as well-integrated because there's so much going on with the FSS universe already, and the SATAN stuff technically isn't even part of the FSS universe.

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>>14751985
The most apt comparison I can think of is with Howl's moving castle, how Sophie shifts from old to young or how Howl shifts from handsome young man to a fucking dinosaur bird- it's not how they literally are, but a visual metaphor of their "true" characters. There's a lot of fairy tales that have a similar premise as this.

Granted, many people don't like Howl's, but it's easily the most fairy-tale like of Miyazaki's movies. I myself wouldn't have appreciated it as much if I hadn't read FSS beforehand and knew what he was trying to do with the story.

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>>14751927
>At the time I thought the whole fairy tale story

The SATAN pretty much travel to different universes fucking shit up, iirc. They're incredibly powerful too.

>>14751985
Remember the scene with the giant indian goddess with a bunch of titties?

>>14751767
>G Reco
>just a big fucking toy commercial
Most of the suits didn't get kits though?

>literally
Oh, you're an idiot. Never mind.

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>>14751939
>The SATAN are just one of the enemies he encounters along the way, but not the main reason.

Actually, Sopp never encounters SATAN in his search for Lachesis. He goes through Stant and encounters something called "Monarch Sacred", which is a time capsule of all the events that took place before the Joker galaxy fucked itself and all its ancient super technology over with nonstop Buster Cannon nuke wars. So the enemies he encounters will be the remnants of the Super Empire. Which means LED Mirage vs Machine Messiah Yen Xing. Too bad Gothicmade changed all their designs before we could see this happen.

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>>14752033
It's also the main reason he decides to bring the Empress Flame (which used Super Empire tech straight from the Yen Xings) with him, along with Fatima Tower (who isn't a Fatima but something of a representative for the Super Empire in a Fatima body)- both are to be used as keys to unlock "Monarch Sacred".

Basically, the situation is the exact same as the one for Nausicaa and the crypt.

>>14752026
>The SATAN pretty much travel to different universes fucking shit up, iirc.

No, that was just in the fairy tale told on the bus. As long as Amaterasu exists the SATAN and all the other otherworldly supernatural entities will always be right behind him.

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>>14752055
Thanks for the info.

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>>14752045
And just before I forget, one thing I remember a lot of people took issue with was how Amaterasu abandoned the AKD for hundreds of years then magically came back one day to help Colus' descendant overthrow his own kingdom for no reason. It's because the AKD itself had become a twisted perverted mess of his original kingdom and was merely using its name. This was a parallel of an earlier scene where Nein (the ruler of the original Super Empire) came back from Stant (also where Amaterasu returned from coincidentally enough) after hundreds of years out of the blue to blow up this corrupt kingdom that was claiming to be the true descendants of her Super Empire. She ends up leaving behind the legacy of the Fatima and Headdliner with Ned Swans for the current FSS universe, much like Amaterasu would later leave behind his legacy of Fortune and Kallen for the Taika universe later on. The tale of FSS is just a cycle of metaphors and repetition (another reason why you get so many "reincarnated" characters that pop up in later arcs), meant to evoke ancient stories like those found in Greek anthologies.

I had to read this whole manga like 4 times over before everything clicked into place. It's an awesome piece of work but you really need to put a lot of time into it to truly understand it.

>>14752130
Was the AKD stuff for the not-l-gaim arc?

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>>14752154
The AKD corruption and return of Amaterasu is the L-Gaim arc. Nagano already drew the most important parts of it so I don't understand why people want to see the full thing in the manga.

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>>14750346
>The only people who still say Citizen Kane is good are pretentious hipster shitwads like /tv/

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>>14752175
>Lie Ex

I guess I was right about her and her ancestors being Nei mo han

What's Citizen Kane? Something to do with wrestling?

>>14754052
>Something to do with wrestling?

How did you know?

>>14751021
>>14751054
How's Blue Blazes? I've never watched a japanese live action series but I've really been meaning to give this one a shot because Anno and manga.

>>14758039
it's funny, I had many laughs! If you like to laugh, than it might be your thing.

But beware - it's very, very Japanese.

>>14748191
>the one time Tomino trashed his L-Gaim designs

Whoa whoa whoa, I heard about the Nagano Turn A thing but what is this?

>>14758039
Watching it I felt that I identified heavily with the MC. Got super depressed and went off to improve myself before watching past episode 6.

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Anyone know what the scene under the Blood Temple is supposed to be? Looks like L-Gaim

>>14759770
>>14762110
Just finished it. Words can't describe how much I loved it.

>>14748243
Where did you buy thosr lil rubber gundam figs?

>>14766016
You can get them at Barns and Noble for a ripoff of 6 dollars

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I've read the translated chapters many times but never understood this scene

>>14767321
Clotho, like her other two sisters, can see the future. Her powers were starting to awaken and she was starting to see/hear pieces of the future. Hence her title as one of the Three Fates.

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Going to post one of my favorite scenes

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>>14767692
I wish more mecha series had as well written emotional scenes as FSS.

I'm working on an L-Gaim/FSS character comparison thing and I'm trying to remember who destroyed the Float Temple in FSS. I know Nei mo Han did in Nagano's L-gaim and I think one of Lie Ex's descendants did it in FSS, but I can't find a source at the moment.

>>14764500
>colus the 26th
Yep, that's L-Gaim story in FSS.

>>14769656
Who is the girl beside him though?

>>14770998
Lie Ex., I think. The Headdliner pilot of the Wunderschätze.

>>14746228
Go back to /tv/, you obviously can't handle the masterpiece that is FSS or even G-Reco for that matter.
>>14747071
Its not a reflex reaction, you ARE stupid.

>>14771050
Found the trainwrecko apologist.

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>>14770998
That's Sharie Rander's descendant and the equivalent of Leccee, behind her is the Amu equivalent. Viewlard's descendent is Kyao. And Arart Ex is Nei.

Silly comparison though considering most of L-Gaim is written like rubbish.

>>14771033
Lie Ex died when the Black Knight went to float temple

>>14771057
Thanks. Does Shaire's descendant have a character profile?

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>>14771205
>Does Shaire's descendant have a character profile?

No, but she did show up at one point in the story with FSS-Kyao.

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>>14771276
Excellent. Think I'll compile all the L-Gaim chapters together when I finish re-reading everything.

>>14771359
I don't think there is a Quasan analogue in FSS. Clotho has similar abilities (I think? I sort of remember Quwasan Olibee being a prototype Cyber Newtype kind of character but I may be totally wrong) and is also a living macguffin, but not in the same way at all, since she's never on the enemy side.

>>14750346
Unironically kill yourself, you sack of shit.

The word 'parody' has become meaningless when you have more and more people like OP who think that it means 'works that a sensible, down to earth person like me can't handle'.

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>>14771703
I put her there because the Amu equivalent is also Not-Daba's sister of royalty. Might remove it, though.

Not sure how to handle Poseidal/Amaterasu since real Amaterasu isn't really a villain like real Poseidal.

Poseidal (Real) ---> Amaterasu (Real)
Poseidal (Fake) ---> Amaterasu (Fake)

Maybe?

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Why does Aisha's fatima "reek of semen"?

>>14772115
tomoe's making assumptions because she's totally racist

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>>14772115
Aisha is a futa?

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>>14747168
You bet his sweet ass I would.

>>14747207
It's disappointing how the characters I like most have little to no fan art, especially R-18 content.

At least there's the official manga.

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>>14775711
scans when

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It's interesting how the Blood Temple's design completely changes between a single volume. The one that shows up for 2 panels pictured on the left looks like something GTM era Nagano would design.

>>14776660
Nagano dislikes looking at his older drawings. He's a perfectionist so he hates going over what he already finished because he can recognize all the old flaws. As a consequence though a lot of his drawings go off model from the original designs and his stories don't follow a linear path, because he ignores the older chapters and what he drew in them.

Ever since Gothicmade though the new chalters of FSS have been a lot more on model. I suppose he's learned to tolerate looking at older art, considering he spent six years looking at the same drawings for one movie.

>>14776861
I don't think those are really comparable to an entire design being changed between such a short period. I really like the Zambot-like crescent on the head.

>>14776861
Sometimes you have to go off model

To be on model

>>14777428
The only big design difference is the head. It's not totally new. A similar thing happened with how the Engage SR3 was drawn with a buster launcher in the lineart but given L-Gaim's wrist launcher in the manga, along with a good number of small details changed. Nagano just forgets.

It seems to be a common trend among monthly mangaka though, like Berserk and Jojo's.

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>When you go from being the strongest to a jobber piloted by a black dude

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>>14777485
Why they gotta be so shit that even a Blue Armour kicks its ass.

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Who was this exactly? A name was given I think but It didn't ring any bells.

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I wonder how many secret Mortar Headd linearts Nagano still hasn't shown to us because of the Gothicmade retcon. Like this one.

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>>14778491
No idea.

>>14778491
>those eyes

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I didn't realize how sad the story to FSS truly was until this 3rd or 4th re-read. The first few times I had a lot of trouble keeping track of characters and all the aliases they use along with the tons of designs present. That wasn't much of a problem this time. Especially with the really weird scenes or time skips into the far future/past.

During the L-Gaim chapter where Colus liberates the universe from Uplanda I was expecting a happy ending...but Queen interrupted the scene saying she was doubtful he was capable, and one quick look at the timeline shows that she was right...

Atropos meets a really sad ending in the future by requesting to be burned by the LED Dragon that she raised along with the planet being obliterated.

All the characters that we're familiar with ultimately meet their death in tragic ways. Civilization goes into a dark age.

Amaterasu goes on a long ass journey just to be reunited with his waifu

What the fuck Nagano. L-Gaim was so hopeful.

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>>14780781
I wouldn't call FSS sad, it's a fairly accurate portrayal of what happens in human history over the course of thousands of years. It's the complete opposite of other mecha stories or even stories in general where the conflict decides the fate of the world/universe/etc. Because in FSS, none of it really matters. Civilizations rise and fall; but the human spirit is eternal. Other than the big battles written in the history books (like the timeline) everything will be forgotten with time. FSS is just a series of small vignettes that fills in those gaps. It will never technically end, because it's not a slave to time. Much like our actual history, the gaps of "what actually happened during these events?" can never be really filled. Once you get past all the characters named and techno jargon and start being aware of where each section goes in the timeline, then you begin to realize how much depth there really is to the way the story is told.

>Amaterasu goes on a long ass journey just to be reunited with his waifu

Not exactly, Amaterasu had basically become the new Noah, complete with his own Arc (The Will)- Lachesis finds him herself and together they create a new civilization in another universe using their god powers.

>L-Gaim was so hopeful.

Being forced to abandon all your friends and disappear from society forever just to take care of your mentally retarded sister is a hopeful ending? Unlike FSS, L-Gaim never took itself seriously where it counted because Tomino has no sense of tone and mood. It's funny moments are just a result of his incompetence as a director in some crucial areas.

>>14782359
I like how the history of the world becomes more and more distorted when characters in the future recount the tales. Even the art for those scenes will show MHs complete different and Fatima's design wise. Like the chapter with the dragon riders

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>>14782411
I think the dragon riders chapter was the only one that really did that. Other chapters just had designs change on the fly because Nagano either forgot what the old designs look like or he just felt like it.

>>14782426
It's still a fucking awesome touch though to be honest.

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>>14776609
Don't bother, it has nothing to do with Sopp or FSS.

>>14782484
Link to scans?

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This pirate looking mecha thing looks cool

>>14750398
>You will never pee in your fatima*

>>14782823
Tfw I don't think he's going to answer

>>14747039
>let us remember that Nagano only draws details, the rest is just a plaster of flat surfaces with nothing to talk about, including his characters

This is one of the dumbest things I've read on this board not related to Gundam.

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Why was this chapter so fucking good? Such entertaining dialogue. I don't know if Nagano's original writing was like this or not but fuck do I love it.

>>14748191

Is it strange that I just want to hug him? He seems like such a nice guy.

>>14771710
>Unironically
Go back to watching more Citizen Kane, you pretentious hipster piece of shit. You are not fit to reproduce.

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>starts off as a troll thread
>turns into a 2 week long FSS thread

Thanks guys, FSS talk is too rare these days.

>tfw volks will never do new kits of the more obscure MHs

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>>14789209
>tfw volks will never do new kits of the more obscure MHs

They did the A-toll, so there is a small chance. What I would give for an Ashura Temple.

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Post underrated MHs

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>>14790812
It's sad so many never saw any action.

Also, seeing single pages like this floating on futaba I can't help but think there's some secret club handing out FSS scans.

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>>14790789
Barunja, Devoncha, Feedorah, Blue Armors, Boowrays, KAN... basically all the bulky Mortar Headds. The skinny stuff sells better and is cheaper to make so we see less of the more roided MHs as kits. Doesn't help that most of them belong to nameless mooks.

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>>14790863
Boowrays are just Sirens, aren't they? Considered one of the top 3 non-AKD MHs.

KAN only ever appeared for like 1 page in vol 12 so I kind of understand.

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>>14790876
They use Siren or A-toll frames, but are totally unique machines. Boowray itself is also a loose term for the MH that belong the Boowray mercs, the name of that MH is actually T-232. This is its successor, the Boowray T-233, which uses a Feedorah frame.

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>>14790889
Was never much of a fan of the mighty series.

>>14790885
Thanks for the clarification.
Patiently waiting for the GTM version of KAN...

The GTMs on the bottom have no MH equivalent If the kana is anything to go by

>>14791027
GTM engage SR1 is actually an improvement IMO. Never liked the engage series much

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>>14791048
He's getting a lot better at designing mecha using the GTM aesthetic, imo

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>>14746228
The FSS movie sucks, but not for OP's nonsense claims. It sucks because it's dull as fuck and half-asses what ended up being adapted. It removes all the humor from the original manga, cuts out a lot of the important details, including the entire beginning and ending of the part it was adapted from. This would be all fine and dandy if it made it work more smoothly as a movie, but all it does is make audiences even more confused. In a lot of ways it's like the old Jojo's Stardust Crusaders OVAs. Dull and poorly adapted, cutting out all aspects of the humor that defined Jojo's as a series, and ultimately not really feeling at all like the original manga. Both are also well-animated with great production values, but that's really all they have going for them. They're lifeless adaptations.

>>14798929
And the part it fucked up the most- the portrayal of Fatima. The manga makes it explicit that they're desired not because they're just pretty, but because they are symbols of social power and wealth. Juba wants them to elevate his social status, just like the Mortar Headd he acquired. In the movie it just makes him a dumb pervert who wants the Fatima only so he can fuck them. And then adds an unnecessary rape scene not from the manga with Lachesis just to drive this point home. It completely destroys the gravitas of the original conflict in the manga.

>>14798943
Juba was a dumb pervert in the manga as well though. I mostly agree with you, the movie is a pretty pale shadow of the first book, but the FSS movie is also mostly just a novelty for people who've already read the manga for the most part. I never see it get recommended to people in a vacuum.

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>>14798967
>Juba was a dumb pervert in the manga as well though

He was a fairly cunning politician who happened to be a pervert, but the objects of his lust were Sopp and Amaterasu, not the Fatima, which he treated more like prized objects. He didn't go from being a merchant to a ruler out of thin air. The movie doesn't show any shred of his competence.

>>14798978
It seemed to me he just wanted to wait until after the fixed debut to get at the fatimas, so as to not have rumours spread about him when everyone is in town. I agree that the extraneous scene in the OVA where he breaks in on laki and then has a stroke or something was a totally pointless addition, but I think the manga makes it pretty clear he wasn't gonna leave them untouched so to speak.

You'd think there'd be more social status to gain if the fatima paired off with headdliners of high esteem like Colus at the ceremony you hosted, rather then just keeping them around, but I'm no expert on Jokerian politics

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>>14798929
The FSS movie had it light compared to the hack job that was Nausicaa.

>>14798996
The main reason he wanted both Clotho and Lachesis was for his Mortar Headds, Devoncha, Barunja, and Helmine, the latter of which is actually pretty fantastic in the right hands and on par with a Siren or A-toll. I'm sure he would probably have his way with the Fatima once they were his but that was not his main goal. Imagine though, if he had actually succeeded and had paired one of them with Decors... he would actually have had a decent chance of crushing almost anyone who opposed him. Plus, he already had Sopp as his meight as the time (even though he was just a temp), and Sopp's own legendary reputation would draw other Headdliners to eventually join Juba as well. I'm sure that was original plan.

Regardless, there wasn't a hint of this in the movie.

>>14798999
Nausicaa at least worked as a cohesive movie. It took a ton of liberties but did a better job tying everything together.

Both it and FSS need full animated adaptations though.

>>14799021
I dunno if a fully animated FSS could be feasible by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd sell certain parts of my body for just the Traffics chapters to get animated

>>14799021
>Nausicaa at least worked as a cohesive movie. It took a ton of liberties but did a better job tying everything together.

Sure, if you think the MC becoming magical Jesus and stopping an entire war just by getting killed and revived in a giant bug stampede is a satisfactory ending.

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>>14798929
Nah, It's a pretty great adaption. The humor in the FSS manga is mostly from lines of dialogue that aren't even bubbled and is more along the lines of Nagano fucking around.

>the important details, including the entire beginning and ending of the part it was adapted from

The aftermath of the Vatshu fight is used to introduce and explain the setting. It worked fine and animating that scene would have been ridiculous.

>>14798943
He does the same thing in the manga. His nephews even imply they fuck around with them.

>>14800474
>The humor in the FSS manga is mostly from lines of dialogue that aren't even bubbled and is more along the lines of Nagano fucking around.

Nope, it skipped entire scenes. The shower scene for example, originally written for laughs, is turned into some sort of unnecessary serious contemplative scene in the movie where Sopp thinks about Lachesis.

>The aftermath of the Vatshu fight is used to introduce and explain the setting. It worked fine and animating that scene would have been ridiculous.

That wasn't even the aftermath of the Vatshu fight. The aftermath of the Vatshu fight is that it's defeated and a long emotional moment where Est decides to "sleep" with it and her dead master. The scene popping up in the beginning doesn't work at all as a piece of an exposition because the characters there never even explain who they are, so the audience has no reason to care about any of them. And given the time period, animating the fight scene would have been easily doable. The only valid excuse is time constraints.

>He does the same thing in the manga.

Juba never attempts to rape the Fatima in the manga, and his purpose was never to keep them around just for sex. See >>14798978
By having him suddenly keep the Fatima just because he wants to have sex with them in, as portrayed in the movie, it makes him look like a complete moron instead of an actual threat. As for his nephews- another aspect the movie did fuck all with, especially when it came to portraying Decor's character.

The movie is just half-assed.

>>14799029
It would be possible, but the amount of effort needed for it would be astronomical. Not to mention how much CGI it would use.

>>14799038
Fair enough.

>>14800608
Now tell me how many minutes the film runs for :^)

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>>14747039
>let us remember that Nagano only draws details, the rest is just a plaster of flat surfaces with nothing to talk about, including his characters

Sounds more like a complaint about Shirow, much as I used to love the guy.

>>14750059

Thanks for the scan, anon! Where are they from? I always assumed that final image was some promotional stuff for the FSS movie.

What's the development timeline on all this? I mean, is this book something Nagano put out meant to be canonical to the L-Gaim TV show or something he released in-between that and FSS? So many questions.

>>14804013
I think after l-gaim ended

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I really can't remember shit about what happened in this manga.

>>14804239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed