Macross Δ (25)

Everything is pretty rushed. It baffles me that a whole of armada of NUNS space fleet just got genocide pretty much easily. Furthermore, I don't get why Mr. Berger insist on bringing up Lady M to the plot, he even added it has something to do with Megaroad-01. I'm not sure whether that info is useful or its just for the sake of reminisce.

>>14746003
Glad I dropped this 20 episodes ago.

So we can agree that this is the worst Macross show, right?

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>>14746145
We get kawamored.

>>14746103
>muffled "LONG LIVE BELKA" in the background.

>dumb windies never checked the black box
Call it, still awkward tho.

>>14746092
right?

>>14746071

Lucky...wish mine had a sketch. ;_;

>>14746240
The higher ups probably did. It doesn't change any of their complaints. The stupid thing is that the NUNS didn't consider the enemy would get their hands on it.

>>14746021
Its because right now its only the rest of the staff writing it as they go along because Kawamori has jumped shit after he got bored, he did essentially the same shit with Evol and would have done it to Frontier too if they didn't actually have a competent writer and director in the team

>>14746105
Shes about to win the casket bowl isn't she?

They should have not bothered with episodes 14-20.

>>14746097
It's on par with Zero at the moment. Funny how the show that takes the most from Zero ends up being just as bad.

>>14746349
1. Zero is an OAV. We don't compoare OAV with TV series
2. With the mecha action alone, Zero is much much better and it was better received.

>>14746097
>So we can agree that this is the worst Macross show, right?

Delta-fags will never accept this truth. Their delusion is as cute as the idea Delta can be redeemed by the last episode. Poor little things.
For the rest of us Macross fans, the truth was evident from midway season onwards.

Delta would've been better if the fucking sponsors didn't ask for another 13 episodes. They only had enough plot for 13 episodes, not 26. That's why they had to meander so much for the last 2nd half.
>>14746423
It's still better than Zero and 2.

>>14746473
7 is still the worst.

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>>14746489
>7 is still the worst.

In what universe ?

>>14746508
In a universe where pacing matters.

>>14746513
>In a universe where pacing matters.

Pacing can be dealt with. Absence of quality and no story well it's a lost cause.

>>14746524
It's amazing how so many people like to pretend the first 15 episodes of 7 had nothing going on. If aired today we'd be saying the same things about it as we do with Delta.
>worst macross ever
>macross is ruined
>why is there so much singing
>where are all the missiles?
>there's too much battroid, we need more fighter! (opposite of Delta)
>kawamori needs to be fired

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No matter what happens in episode 26, it's safe to say Delta has been a huge disappointment and safely the worst Macross TV series.

Raw is out and i have seen basically no screencaps or talk about the episode. This is weird

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>>14746591
Because episode was fucking nothing.

>>14746591
It's mostly talking.

>>14746609
Why the fuck there is talking heads when there's 1 episode left?

>>14746591
It's gonna be a fun episode to bitch about once the subs are out.

Did anyone predict this would be worst Macross ever before it aired?

>>14746613
>ep 25
>The truth of 7 years ago is revealed as Reina recovered the flight record of Wright Immelman that the Windermereans didn't bother with to examine. The target was the Sigur Valens all along as NUNS knew how dangerous it is.
>Berger reveals to Chaos Roid's Macross Galaxy hive mind 2.0 plan.
>Speaking of NUNS Colonel Malang leads a fleet equipped with MDE as the situation calls for drastic measures.
>I can't really respect Heinz as the kid has really become evil enslaving Mikumo and intends to enslave the entire galaxy. Tough it is the first time he faced with the horror of what he is doing when the MDEs exploded on the NUNS fleet. Feeling the deaths of the crew.
>At the Hayate and Freyja front. Freyja is hiding her condition. Mirage kinda tells Hayate to go look for Freyja. He finds her. Hayate receives a package from his mom. It was all the stuff and one phrase letters his father sent him. With a picture Freyja realizes the one who gave her player was Hayate's father.
>Heinz use the "Rom mayan" drugs on Mikumo
>Nuns nuke themselves because of the VAR from Mikumo's song.
>the end

>>14746625
Yeah dude Anonymous did. He's never wrong.

>>14746630
Basically NUNS were doing the right thing all along by trying to deny monkeys of dangerous tech. And Satelight showed their laziness by making NUNS fleet scream LONG LIVE BELKA. That's it? Boring.

>>14746638
>And Satelight showed their laziness by making NUNS fleet scream LONG LIVE BELKA.
That didn't even happen. I get you hate this show but don't make shit up to fuel your anger.

>>14746647
Screaming LONG LIVE BELKA means bombing yourself.

>>14746653
Oh right silly me how could I not get that epic reference.

>>14746670
I wish Delta had more dimensional nukes. And some fleets.

Makina died from what happened in ep24?

In the end the show can be renamed Macross No-money.

>>14746692
No.

>>14746692
none of the walkure will die because they have a concert to do. Doing a live concert with a dead walkure is awkward, that's why no one will die from Walkure's side. Someone will probably die in the delta squad.

>>14746692
>Makina died from what happened in ep24?

Of course not. Dead characters can't sing in live concerts.

>>14746591
Because with each week that Delta was getting wrost more poeple dropped it and now in the end there is aberly anyone watching to make actual discussion

>>14746752
Everyone is waiting for subs.

>>14746758
You don't need subs for screencaps. Episode is talking and a bit more talking, that's bad, considering there's 1 episode left.

>>14746758
Except even when there were only raws and gg didn't sub for nearly a week we still had a ton of discussions both here and on /a/, no such thing happens now, threads now on /a/ go for days with the same shit while during the star of the anime you couldn't go for a hour with the same thread.

People really did start dropping this in droves once it became clear that Kawamori just took the plot of Frontier and altered a few points and tried to do a remix of Evol

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At this point I just care about the songs, I doubt even the final battle be interesting and I honestly don't believe they can make a medley song like Macross Frontier did

>>14746763
> People really did start dropping this in droves once it became clear that Kawamori just took the plot of Frontier and altered a few points and tried to do a remix of Evol
It's less of Kawameme and more of writers/directors of Delta being hacks. And overall budget of Delta is shit. WHERE ARE THE FUCKING MISSILES.

>>14746774
I would beleive that if not many of the plot point being lifted directly from both anime AND the director saying he wanted to make characters more instersting like mirage being competent but being told not to because there was already a competent character in the team.

The only thing Delta did better than Frontier was that Freya is actually itnerestingmost of the time when compared to Ranka who was annoying as fuck

How does Delta compare to 7 and Frontier?
I've only seen SDF, Zero, Plus, and delta, and delta is the worst one by far. It's fucking insane how great episode 13 was, but I can't really remember anything else other than that sea cat episode and the birthday episode.
It's been a really forgettable series in general.

>>14746781
Ranka was walking ball of drama, Freyja is marysue. Both are boring, but hey, Ranka was not the only actual character in the show.

>>14746781
>>14746784
What, you faggots don't like the Hayate&Freya show with guest appearences of literally everyone else?

>>14746783
Frontier is a fucking masterpiece compared to this shit since it had a coherent plot progression and actual characters doing shit instead of just the Mery Sue and Gary Stu doing literally everything

>>14746789
>Frontier is a fucking masterpiece compared to this shit since it had a coherent plot progression and actual characters doing shit instead of just the Mery Sue and Gary Stu doing literally everything
This. And fucking NUNS fleet destroying itself, how lazy can Satelight get?

>>14746789
>What, you faggots don't like the Hayate&Freya show with guest appearences of literally everyone else?
That's every Macross ever. All the side characters get shafted for the main couple
>>14746796
Is this your first Macross? This isn't the first time NUNS has killed themselves over their dumb mistakes.

>>14746815
And here comes the Deltafag

>>14746815
>Is this your first Macross? This isn't the first time NUNS has killed themselves over their dumb mistakes.
No, that's called 'Satelight are cheap jews to animate big fleets for battle'.

TERADA-SAN PLEASE KEEP FRONTIER IN SRW GAMES

delta never!

Walküre cover of "Do You Remembe Love?" in the final episode or riot.

>>14746838
Is it too fucking hard for them to use 7, Plus and SDF regularly?

>>14746867
Some of the VAs for SDF are either dead or retired, so this could be tricky.

>>14746326
>Its because right now its only the rest of the staff writing it as they go along because Kawamori has jumped shit after he got bored, he did essentially the same shit with Evol and would have done it to Frontier too if they didn't actually have a competent writer and director in the team

anime production fanfiction is my favorite fanfiction

>>14746923
And what part are you trying trying to imply to being a lie? I can show you the interviews where the director says just that and thing about Kawamori jumping ship comes from the fact that he did just that in Aquarion Evol as the anime started to crash and burn, something that coincided with him announcing a new anime, something that has also happened this time around

>>14746857
Nope, we already got it as a background song this ep.

>>14746926
Post it then.

What did SpaceISIS say about Megaroad and Lady M?

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>>14746973
Here
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B01IUYF6WE/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471749029&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=febri+%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9

>Mirage
>The original Mirage in Kawamori's memos was supposed to be an ace just like Messer, but it was hard to make her distinct from Messer so they made her only slightly better than Hayate

>Triangle
>interviewer is asking about the triangle how it looks like hayate and freyja become suddenly closer in episode 16 and then gradually separate
the scenario writer liked the idea of all three of them standing together without winners and losers, which is why the muddy aspects were kept out in the first cour, then he purposefully threw all these hurdles at them so they can't focus on romance
>Ragna
>The timing when ragna was conquered hadn't been decided too early but as they were talking about it they thought that the end of the first cour would be a good turning point for introducing the drifting in space and galactic arcs
>Yasuda on the romance
>portrayed it as a more gradual and delicate progression rather than going for an all over the place exciting drama. didn't want to go for the afternoon drama type, but something close to the type in real life with the circumstances of there being a war giving them no time to go overdramatic about it

I'mm now eagerly awaiting for you to make excuses and move goal posts

>>14746991
Berger theorizes Lady M is from Megaroad 1. After the Vajra War, Ragna received a transmission from subspace with the same frequency as the missing Megaroad 1 which has been missing for 51 years. Lady M appeared on the scene at that time.

>>14747014
Oh, I see. Thanks.

Well, it feels like they just threw that for the lulz.

>>14747005
>The original Mirage in Kawamori's memos was supposed to be an ace just like Messer, but it was hard to make her distinct from Messer so they made her only slightly better than Hayate

Was it too much to have her dramatically improve after Messer died?

>>14747014

Was that stated this episode?

>>14747022

Yes, because that was Hayate's role. Or Freyjas. Or both. Whichever.

>>14747028
yes, from the newest episode.

>>14747022
They remembered that she was apilot in the 24ep.

>>14746877
>Some of the VAs for SDF are either dead or retired, so this could be tricky.

Hire someone else to do the voice part.
Jesus Christ, japs are really dumb when it comes to voice actors. You'd think those seiyuus married a role for life.

>>14747102
Just wait until Shūichi Ikeda dies, then you will see true insanity

Man, Mirage got Noble Confidant'ed hard

>>14747005
Where does it say Kawamori left the project?

>>14747142
He's a complete idiot that thinks the show is being written week-by-week. Just ignore him.

>>14747142
not him, but episode 26 is already done for Kawamori. He already moved to his new project.

Man, I know it is a remote possibility but, if Delta does not have retcon movies it will stay on history as the shittied Macross ever.

>>14747309

Nah.

>>14746240
It doesn't matter? The NUNS still bombed the place.

>>14746599
Why didn't she eat the leaf?

>>14746630
>The target was the Sigur Valens all along as NUNS knew how dangerous it is.

Stop spreading this misinformation. The target was the fucking capital where the ruins were to get max impact.

Wright, not being a sociopath, bailed from that shit.

NUNS were portrayed as nothing but evil fuckers who love to drop forbidden weapons in planets for their interest. Even Arad calls out their shit. They have no regrets about going to destroy Ragna. And they got their karmatic ending.

>Macross Delta if you ignore the entire second cour

alright, not better than frontier, mediocore entry

>Delta including 2nd cour
absolute shit

>>14747313
Yeah.

>>14747335
You can't just eat another's person memento, that's rude.

>>14747309
>Man, I know it is a remote possibility but, if Delta does not have retcon movies it will stay on history as the shittied Macross ever.

Is this a problem ? I mean, Delta aside, there has to be a best Macross and a worst Macross series. Delta-fags should be proud Delta has won at least something even if it's the worst prize.

All the people shitting on Delta have obviously never sat through 49 episodes of Macross "Wow, fucking nothing happened again" 7.

>>14747376
I did, and it was pretty good. There was one minor arc that show could do without, but everything else was fine.

>>14747376
lol seriously

If people can't deal with Delta's "21-22 episodes of content spread out to 26" I think 7's "25 episodes of content spread out to 52" would literally kill them

Like I dig parts of 7 but that show is padded as fuck. It literally does not reveal it's main plot until a plot-dump in episode *37*

>>14747358
We already have a worst Macross it's called Zero which is fitting. Most of you fags like >>14747346 are overreacting. Delta isn't AMAZING but it's not the worst ever. It's just okay.

plot wise delta has been really really meh.
but i do thank the existence of the drakken.

its cool , ( fagtastic gold trimm paintjob aside)
and the sigfrieds ar not bad eaither ,

>>14746003
>1 episode left
>Implying that will end Delta's story
It'll be a cliffhanger and we'll get an S2 about rebuilding Windemere post-war with Freyja dying and Hayate living on Windemere helping to rebuild the planet with the skills he learned while traveling the galaxy.

>>14747376
Macross 7 didn't shit on humanity and the UN government.

>>14747376
>All the people shitting on Delta have obviously never sat through 49 episodes of Macross "Wow, fucking nothing happened again" 7.

Well I've seen Macross 7 and enjoyed it way more than Delta. Yes, 7 is full of filler episodes, but out of 50 episodes only 15 are bad where nothing happens. The rest, 35 episodes go from good to excellent and most importantly the best 35 episodes are in the later part of the series. Delta had what 26 episodes 60% of which are of the nothing happens category, and the other 40 % (all belonging to the first 13 episodes) have very few combat scenes. Whatever way you want to look at it, Delta sucks royally because it didn't manage to build momentum in the second half of the series, while on the other hand 7 didn't suck because 35 episodes were enough to build freaking momentum ending in Max and Miriya fighting back together again like in the good old SDF days. And it was worth it waiting for that to happen.

>>14747402
>We already have a worst Macross it's called Zero which is fitting. Most of you fags like >>14747346 are overreacting. Delta isn't AMAZING but it's not the worst ever. It's just okay.

Zero is many things, one thing it is not is that of being worse than Delta. At this point Delta is the worst Macross series ever. It's the Seed Destiny of the Macross franchise.

>>14747462
>Freyja dying
>implying bad writing will not give her a human livespan

>>14747376
>All the people shitting on Delta have obviously never sat through 49 episodes of Macross "Wow, fucking nothing happened again" 7.

>better characters
>better MC
>better momentum
>actual character development

try again

>>14747490
>Macross 7 didn't shit on humanity and the UN government.
Yeah it did. Did you forget about how dickish the UN Spacy was in 7?

>>14747532

TRY AGAIN-TRY AGAIN
kinou ni te wo futte
FLY AWAY-FLY AWAY
shinjiru kagiri
TRY AGAIN-TRY AGAIN
ashita wo aiseru sa

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Delta is a failure.

>>14747731
How is it selling compared to the other entries in the franchise? If this shit is super successful I fear idols could be forced into other /m/ franchises

>>14747731
That doesn't even say Macross Delta or Satelight.

>>14747739
Much less than Frontier.

If only Kawamori had copied Love Live and made a slice of life Macross show. But noo, he bent to the suponsors will and create a story with antagonists.

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>>14747747

>>14747739
Much worse than Frontier.

>>14747759
That's not as bad as you made it sound. It's only dropping slightly below the 20k average it was maintaining but it could be much better.

>>14747766
Shouldn't a show approaching its finale be rising?

You can´t even compare Delta with 7. By this point (lets say, 90% covered) 7 was FUCKAWESOME.

>>14747766
Don't listen to /m/ when it comes to this. Macross Delta is doing just fine if not better than expected. /m/ will find anything to try and bash ANY show, they will use anything they can and exaggerate it saying things like its a blunder or a disaster.

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>>14747850
>Macross Delta is doing just fine if not better than expected.

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>>14747739
I already posted this in /a/, but here is a comparison of the Frontier and Delta CD sales numbers.

Delta's been an enjoyable enough ride. I wish they had a third cour to expand the world- and character-building. But I'll be happy if they do DYRL/Frontier-style maximalist compilation movies.

>>14747850
> IBO flashbacks intensifies.

It's so sad. Delta was my first Macross and the first cour was pretty good.

>/m/ is at at it again saying a popular anime is doing bad based on make believe numbers.

Yeah eat shit /m/ You never been right and never will be.

-Sincerely MAHQ

>>14747924
Humpf, a pittyful copy of the original will not be anything other than crap.

-Sincerely ROBOTECHX

>>14747944
AND

>>14747897
Will this kill the Macross franchise?

>>14747490

Only because a pile of shit can't shit on anything.

>>14746062

>dat swept wing VF-25 Durandal

So sexy, and so much better than the VF-31 Seigfried.

>>14747994
>he doesn't know what the YF-29 is
Filthy secondary.

>>14747994
It's YF-29 you negro. And Messiah > Durandal.

>>14747950

WE'RE ALL GORI GORI

>>14746046

>ordered first and second sortie
>arrive between Sept 21 and Oct 17
>waiting for Amazon to populate Third Sortie

I'm so fucking hype for these art books.

>>14748006
TO SAVE MOTHER DELTA

>>14747965

No. I don't think so. Macross is way too big to die so easily. But I think the next Macross they do, will likely be a multi-part OVA similar to Zero, and the Macross following that will be another one similar to Frontier. Then they might try what they attempted with Delta again.

>>14748000
>>14748002

I'll accept my faggotry, VF-29* I stand corrected.

>Messiah > Durandal

Not in disagreement, at all. It's a sexy atmospheric flight plane. Just saying Durandal > Seigfried.

>>14748033
>multi-part OVA similar to Zero
Nah, thats asking for no sales at all.
IMO they are going to continue with the idol group, Delta would've been 10/10 if the pacing and the writing had been better.
They did hit a homerun concerning the entering idol, not even Mylene was as likeable as hoina.

They can fix Delta with the movies if:

1 - Mirage is relevant (much better pilot and actually player in the triangle).

2 - The Walkure and the Knights do something other than TALK.

3 - The War feels like a WAR.

>>14748045
Nah, if they want to push Delta-related stuff they could make windie civil war OVA. They need to lick bamco's anus so clean for them to spare Keiki Kobayashi for OST to make it good.

>>14747760
>Implying Frontier sold badly in the first place
Delta not selling as much as Frontier really isn't saying much. That just means Delta is doing a pretty decent job.

>>14748057
1. Mirage doesn't have to be relevant. She can just be Max with tits. Nobody cares about stupid love triangles anymore, people are only in it for Hayate and Freyja.

2. Windies have raped the shit out of NUNS fleets and garrisons yhroughout the show, anon.

3. Can't argue with that. But to be fair Macross has never had full on galactic warfare. It's usually just one small colony fleet.

>>14748057
They just need to make Windie knight a copy of Yellow Squadron and make Delta not absolute jobbers.

>>14748078
@ 2 I meant Walkure pilots like Arad who does nothing relevant (like piloting lol).

>>14748087
Knights and Delta need to have AC0-tier pilot bantz.

>>14748087
Didn't Arad kick ass last episode?

>>14748110
It was some 30 seconds of him shooting turrets in VF-22. That's not exactly asskicking.

>>14748110
Nah

>>14748045

Max keks. I'll receive Valkyrie Third Sortie before I receive First and Second.

>mention Megaroad-01
>hype
>one episode left

YOU BETTER NOT FUCKING DISAPPOINT KAWAMORI.

>>14748127
I am sorry Anon, but he will.

>>14748083
They need to drop the whole dogfighting shit in general if they don't have the budget and time to pull it off. Non-spess plane mooks like Zentradi and Vajra were more fun to watch because it gave the pilots more opportunities to use Battroid.

>>14748130

Not to mention, whenever the pilots screamed in frustration or anger or with resolve to take down an enemy--or even to escape the Dimension Eater explosion; you could feel it. With Delta, there's tons of screaming--but the payoff isn't very good.

>>14748127
It's hard to tie all the plotlines left in 22 minutes episode.

>>14748117
He also shot a few drones on his VF-31 and scared Bogue away. He's a side character anyways. 30 seconds to a minute is fine.

>>14748140
>scared Bogue

That shit's not difficulty - Reina can do that much.

>>14748145
Kek.
>>14748130
Or they could have tried to make them interesting instead of 2fast2furious plus fold hax.

>>14748146
I'm saying they didn't have the resources, maybe because Satelite is a shit studio. I mean what the fuck, no missiles?

>>14748158
This. NO ITANO CIRCUS IN MACROSS WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK.

>>14747528
Zero is the second worst because everyone is a who and there aren't any good songs. Of course the dogfights are amazing though. 2 is the worst.

>>14748160
We did have itano circus in Delta, anon. We just haven't seen it since episode 15.

>>14748171
Songs are not everything. And Arkan was nice.

>>14748158
I thought they worked on Frontier too

Oh well

>>14748160

I don't understand how they have no money. Frontier literally printed them bags of money. And then all subsequent shows they did, a lot of them were successes. How the fuck did they go from that to Delta where they have no money.

>>14748171

Zero aged really really well, in terms of its dogfights; and the French song at the end is absolutely fantastic.

>>14748175
There's like 3 or 4 scenes with either Keith' Drakken or Messer's Sieggy.

>>14748180
It's less of 'we have no money' and more of 'we want to make it cheap to cash in on idol group hype'.

>>14748183
Those still count though. And they were pretty neat.

>>14748187
We need more, it's Macross. We're going full circle, the series that invented it has almost none in it's latest installment.

>>14748180
Hopefully they've been saving their budget for last episode. Really tho the past 4 episodes have felt like the first cour again so I'm confident the last one will be decent at the very least.

>>14748185

That's retarded. They fucked up, it's not even selling well.

>535mil yen in total cd sales
>average cost of a 13-episode anime series is 250mil yen
>Macross Delta will barely make a 35mil yen profit

I bet an well done anime movie likely costs around 150-175mil yen.

>Frontier made 3.2Bil Yen in sales
>enough to make a 59 episode anime
>instead made 25 episodes
>and two movies
>so they spent approximately 850mil-1Bil yen on making the series and two movies
>and then walked away with 2.2Bil yen in profit

I hope whatever succeeds Delta is more like Frontier & SDF than like Delta.

>>14748206
To be fair, the lifetime sales are better just by Frontier having a longer lifetime and because downloads are excluded, which made up a significant portion of Walkure Attack's sales and didn't become mainstream during Frontier's airing period.
I find it unlikely that Delta will reach anywhere close to what Frontier accomplished, but it is hard to say where it really stands in comparison.

>>14748206
They've yet to sell 2nd album. But yeah, sales are so bad compared to Frontier I can't even laugh.

>>14748206
Frontier was a miracle though. It sold well because it came out at the right time. Nobody cared about its story, or the mechs, or MC Alto. People got in because Ranka and Sheryl, and there weren't any other idols from other anime to compete with anyways.

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>>14748206
You're not even counting other merchandise like figures.

>>14748250
Over 20k purchasers don't just disappear out of nowhere anon.

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>>14748338

It's probably good that I'm not counting merchandise like figures. Because then it would make the difference even more staggering than it already is!

Did the second Walkure album leak yet?

>>14748368
Not really considering you're comparing sales of a show that's 8 years old now that still sells merch compared to a show that isn't even a year old yet.

>>14748339
Of course they do. Especially if a majority of them weren't even Macross fans before Frontier.

>>14748078

I think you over estimate the popularity of Freyja and Hayate. I'm sure some people like them, but not everyone is in it for them, and frankly they're both boring generic characters who could disappear for all I care. And no, Mirage is no better. Most every character in the show is dull really.

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So hear me out. What if Delta gets a 2nd season with no sponsor interfering bullshit so Kawamori and the writers can write a story that actually fits for the amount of episodes they have planned, would you like to see that? Before you answer this try to remember everything you liked from episode 1-14 but more of that.

>>14748679

I'd prefer they just make a new show instead of trying to draw this one out even more, well beyond it's natural end. Then again, I don't think a lot of 1 - 14 is that great either. I'd love to see more of what the first few episodes offered, but beyond 4 or so there was a lot of fairly boring stuff that was either setup or promise, rather than genuinely good on it's own. And while I'd love to see more dancing valkyries, tactical idols, getting good through training and so on I want it with a new cast, because I'm sick of the current one and don't think more of them will cure it.

>>14748206
>>14748185
>>14748180
I don't think you understand how Satelight works. It doesn't have a permanent stable of writers, directors, and animators. It's literally Kawamori and 4 guys in an apartment spitballing ideas and then reaching out to sponsors. They just contract out for everything when it's time to go into production, and for Delta they didn't have the resources from the sponsors to fund a decent anime.

When you make a profit off an anime, what the studio gets isn't reinvested into new shows because what would be the point of that? That's what sponsors are for.

>>14746064
The fuck? The SV-154 is the same vintage as the VF-171?

>>14748700

Just because they're on the same page doesn't make them related. There's no arrow going from one to the other.

>>14748679
>>sponsor bullshit
The sponsors were wrong about the triangle, but they were right that a Macross series needed an enemy. Nobody would have watched GuP in valks.
As for a 2nd season, I don't know. These past few months have only made me feel negative about anything to do with Macross. Try asking this after the last episode.

>>14748679
They just need to make a new Macross from scratch. Like, something that's actually original and not 'frontier rehash, now with five idols'. And some decent budget for it.

>>14748743
I shit on Delta as much as you do but 'frontier rehash, now with five idols' what?

>>14748743
Delta is nothing like Frontier. It's closer to 7 and 2.

>>14748768
>>14748766
It's more or less Frontier plot points mixed with 7 here and there.

I know Delta has it's issues, but really? Worse than Frontier?

Frontier had god-tier fights and songs, but then we had the school hi-jinks, Ranka hi-jinks, half the cast getting little to no screentime or sometimes even dialogue for extended periods, and Alto's hilarious issues with the past that were only shown twice and never resolved or brought up again.

>>14748774
I don't see too many of them.

>>14748778

I'd argue that Delta is fresher in the collective mind, since it is currently airing and flopping in many aspects. Yeah, Frontier was shit and had some really bad moments, but it was at least entertaining in those moments, even if marginally.

Delta just is a slog, and there are times when it feels like episodes serve little to no purpose. Ultimately, I think they are both equally shit in different ways, but Delta had more promise after Frontier.

Actually Frontier was extremely good

>>14748844
Even 7 and SDF had episodes that seemed to serve no purpose but no one ever brings those up. I know Delta isn't perfect but it feels like a lot of anons are coming out of the woodwork just to hate it because it's fun to hate things.

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>>14748855
>Frontier was extremely good

>>14748778

A lot of the complaints you just made about Frontier could be leveled at Delta too. Just without the compliment about fights to boot.

Instead of school hijinks we have idol band camp, instead of Ranka hijinks we have Freyja, half Delta's cast get no screen time and barely appear and Hayate's past only comes up in relation to Wright's bombing - not actually resolving how he feels about his father.

And if you're going to point out that there's barely any idol training I'll just point out that the school barely features in Frontier yet it's on your list of complaints.

>>14748858
7 and SDF episodes at least had fights where people actually died in those episodes where nothing happened. A lot of the 7 episodes also had plot-relevant character development.

>>14748778
Frontier's cast who didn't do much were at least not main characters. They were side characters.

Delta has 14 "main" characters.

>>14748703
The text mentions something about the SV-154 incorporating Fold Quartz and a Fold System similar to what is developed for the VF-171.

>>14748933
No, the text says that just like the VF-171, it doesn't have fold quartz equipment.

>>14748778
>Frontier had god-tier fights and songs, but then we had the school hi-jinks, Ranka hi-jinks, half the cast getting little to no screentime or sometimes even dialogue for extended periods, and Alto's hilarious issues with the past that were only shown twice and never resolved or brought up again

Before spouting this nonsense you should really rewatch Frontier. And then compare to Delta. You'll see then that Delta is shit. Both series have the same number of episodes, a large ensemble cast, but by the second freaking episode of Frontier the triangle was in place, the war was raging, we knew some characters were doing shit behind our backs etc... Delta had what exactly ? Even midseason we were naigating on the high seas with nothing remotely resolved. Even now, with one fucking episode left we are still left with lots of unanswered questions. Freyja and her cuteness can't save the cesspool that's Delta.

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Welp, just finished this episode and despite how shit Delta is, it had a genuinely touching moment between Hayate and Freyja.

Maybe it was just the orchestral version of "Do You Remember Love?" playing that made it work, but shit if that was not the most "Macross" moment this series has ever had.

Damn shame it wasn't more like this.

>>14748957
Jeez dude calm down. Did Delta murder your parents or something?

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Captain Arad, I'm Windermere.

Man it was weirding me the fuck out until I realized Berger's voice actor had been changed

>>14748989

> put down one show so you can raise another up
> someone else responds by putting down one show to raise another up
> act like they're mad and the response is surprising

Not him, but you really have no right to either act surprised or throw around accusations about anger. If you're going to denigrate one show in order to make another then someone else is going to respond in kind and normally by being even harsher. If you don't want to get those responses, then don't make those posts.>>14749013

>>14748997
Uh, you don't get to bring Delta Squadron.

>>14748972
You idiot why do you think there are so many freyjafags out there? This show is full of moments between them.

>>14748926
Only characters who died were Roy and Kakizaki and nobody cared about Kakizaki.

>>14749076
>You idiot why do you think there are so many freyjafags out there? This show is full of moments between them.

The moment was nice no question about it. And yet it feels empty. This is nothing like the scene between Minmay and Hikaru moments before going to fight/sing for what they think is their last day to live. Here we have Freyja who doesn't tell the guy she loves that she's bitting the dust. You'd think it would be quite an important thing to reveal to him. Furthermore why is whole music player gift thing a secret ? Why doesn't she tell Hayate that his father was the one who gifted her with that music player ? It's a nice bit of info to share between them. Except no. No no no. Everything must be kept secret, what the fuck for ? 1 episode left and we're still dealing with secrets. Windermerian secrets, secrets between couples etc... It just feels so fake. And the DYRL music in the background doesn't improve things. Because nothing happens.

>>14749098
>This is nothing like the scene between Minmay and Hikaru moments before going to fight/sing for what they think is their last day to live.

Doesn't really matter because all their other moments together were a pain in the ass to go through. Compare that to Hayate and Freyja moments, they were all very sweet. Plus didn't Hikaru and Minmay have that moment right before the final battle in the same episode? Here in this scene, Haya and Fre aren't even close to the windy fleet yet.

>>14749106

> Compare that to Hayate and Freyja moments, they were all very sweet

Some people would use the word sappy. Personally I'd say they were saccharine and rather forced and boring, coming off more like someone's sweet 16 diary than any kind of real interaction. I preferred Hikaru and Misa's since you named it, given that it felt their interactions felt more full of emotion and problems, like real ones, instead of being all fluffy and sweet.

>>14749106
>Doesn't really matter because all their other moments together were a pain in the ass to go through. Compare that to Hayate and Freyja moments, they were all very sweet. Plus didn't Hikaru and Minmay have that moment right before the final battle in the same episode? Here in this scene, Haya and Fre aren't even close to the windy fleet yet.

Well unfortunately for you, the scene between Freyja and Hayate happened episode 25 not 26. And if the writers can't make it count (a little quiet moment of intimacy between the 2 main characters to come clean about their feelings or share events that connect them like the music player) then it just underscores the fact that they don't fucking know what they're doing. It's like seeing a guy taking 1 step forward and 10 steps backwards. It's simply retarded.
What do you think will happen ? Episode 26 starts and Freyja blurts out of nowhere to Hayate "I'm dying" ? "And by the way your father gifter me that music player. I'm a singer because of him." ? It would make even less sense. The scene between them in episode 25 was the right time and place to tackle these character developments. And the writers (again) fail at their fucking simple task. I guess they've simply left Satelight eh ?

>>14749117
>I preferred Hikaru and Misa's since you named it, given that it felt their interactions felt more full of emotion and problems, like real ones, instead of being all fluffy and sweet

Since when is being fluffy and sweet suddenly a negative? Not every relationship has to be run on problems and all around being failures at love. It's not like these two are lovey dovey anyways, they haven't even held hands like a couple. It's mostly been about embracing each other's dreams which I feel is better. Doesn't help all of Hikaru's development with Misa got trashed by him attempting to date both her and Minmay.

>>14749117
>Episode 26 starts and Freyja blurts out of nowhere to Hayate "I'm dying" ? "And by the way your father gifter me that music player. I'm a singer because of him."

Hikaru did the same exact thing. Telling Minmay he loves her right before the battle. I doubt Freyja would say she's dying so they could allow her to sing.

>>14749176

> Since when is being fluffy and sweet suddenly a negative?

Since forever, because some people don't like what they perceive as something being too sweet and that's always been true. Not every relationship has to be anything, but not everyone has to like every relationship if it's done a particular way either. You like them bumbling along bring completely lovely and nice to each other. That's fine. I don't, and I'm not required to.

>>14749180
>some people don't like what they perceive as something being too sweet and that's always been true

There's always some number of people that don't like a certain kind of relationship. Don't pretend HikaruxMisa is invulnerable to criticism.

You could always do the romance Macross II style where the main couple's interactions are limited to bitching and moaning for five episodes before they confess their love.

>>14749188

I didn't. I literally never said it was perfect, only that I preferred it and why. Anything else is entirely your own addition.

>>14749176

Before the battle Minmay admitted she liked Kaifun and Hikaru told her it had been a mistake to ever think they could have been a thing

>>14749193
Not the same anon but you said they're like a real life couple which kind of implies they are perfectly written. I would agree if the two didn't fail so cartoonishly bad in the last 3rd of SDF.

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Autism is strong in fansubber club... I was just watching Macross Delta relaxed and comfy and at the end, they added this.

>>14749198

That implication was never intended, nor would I ever say hewing to reality means it's perfect. If anything I'd say it's the opposite. If that's your interpretation that's on you.

>>14746097
Worst anime I've seen in a while

>>14746240
It was pretty much broken and the data was corrupted. Reina recovered it. They explained this to you.

>>14746003
delta is fucking terrible and whoever likes it should kill himself

>>14747102
>japs are really dumb when it comes to voice actors
>I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about

They regularly replace voice actors for ones who are dead. They replaced all of Bright's voice actor's roles with different people, like in Unicorn. They replaced Miyu Matsuki's ongoing roles with different people as well when she died last fall.

>>14749302
This tbhfamalamam.
Only good song is When the Rune Sparkles in September.

>>14747897
>6 CD releases versus 15 CD releases at much lower prices (only 1 Frontier release was higher than 4/6 Delta releases, two of which aren't even out yet)

>>14748135
>It's hard to tie all the plotlines left
It really isn't. Delta has been an incredibly straight-forward story from the start, and these last 5 or so ""boring"" episodes have been tying up all of the characters' personal plot lines. Just because it's not flashy and A BWIG EPIC FOIGHT doesn't mean it's not there.

Just name a few plotlines that are unresolved at this point that they won't be able to resolve in an episode.

>>14749309
>>14749302
Kill yourselves.

>>14748774

Delta is Frontier, but with 3 extra idols that do nothing (Mikumo is Sheryl, Freya is Ranka, but Ranka's plot importance ball got passed to Mikumo this time). The Ariel Knights are Brera copy pasted (pretty body enemy pilot with a fancy holographic piloting interface so you can see how pretty they are when they fly, who is not just a superior pilot but dramatically stronger and faster in person as well) and the final plot of the show is literally Grace's galactic music-based mind control weapon plan, just applied to humans directly instead of to the Vajra.

The details are different, but a lot of the major plot beats and themes are obviously similar to Frontier. It almost feels like Delta was written by taking discarded notes from Frontier's writing process and using them to make a new show.

>>14749313

It's not like you're doing any different, ignoring inflation and the fact that Frontier was released at the time the housing market was crashing and taking prices with it while Delta is released years after it's started to recover. More importantly you're ignoring that the highest selling Frontier item is also the most expensive, that Delta's total sales don't even match that one items total sales and that most of its biggest sellers are also it's most expensive. The price isn't really a major deterrent going off those sales.

>>14749358

No.

>>14749386

Yes.

Your move.

This show is pure garbage, probably one of the worst Macross titles ever put out.

It seems they put all their eggs on the idols and forgot this is Macross and not AKB or Symphogear but they had to cash in during the idol craze before it becomes fully stale if not already.

The planes are nothing more than a convenient backdrop and branding while the conflict in this show is pure comedy with the show aggressively portraying the Windermere faction as Zeek wannabes only to backtrack later on to portray them as sympathetic.

>>14749358
>The details are different, but a lot of the major plot beats and themes are obviously similar to Frontier.
And Frontier took a lot of beats and themes from SDF so that means Delta is like SDF too.

>>14749318

Not him and while i agree Delta has been wrapping up storylines and will wrap up all of them by the end since it's a straight forward show, I am curious about one thing. I haven't watched the last two episodes, but have they explained what was up with Hayate reacting to Freyja's song yet? It seems like the kind of thing that was just haphazardly resolved with him declaring he'd never let that happen to himself again - which is a rather boring way to resolve something with so much dramatic possibility.

Having that conflict was the only thing that got me invested in the relationship between Freyja and Hayate, so wrapping it up so simply destroyed any remaining good will I had towards the show I suppose.

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>>14749505
ya I agree, upvoted

>>14749505
This post makes no sense. Did you watch Frontier? Frontier had a much larger emphasis on idols than Delta did. I think you're latching onto something you hated about the show since the beginning to find an excuse to jump on the bandwagon and talk shit about it. Good job parroting everyone elses' opinions.

>>14749526

> Frontier had a much larger emphasis on idols than Delta did.

I suspect you didn't watch if you think it had a bigger focus on it than Delta. They both had a lot of focus on the idols. As did 7 with Fire Bomber.

>>14749505
> It seems they put all their eggs on the idols and forgot this is Macross and not AKB or Symphogear but they had to cash in during the idol craze before it becomes fully stale if not already.

Lynn Minmay. The first idol to every grace the franchise and a pinnacle part of the plot as the other girl that vies for Hikaru's affections.
That alone would put that comment to bed, let alone the simple fact that Minmay is the archetype that others in the franchise would follow to some extent.

You don't like idols, I get that... You want more fighter plain action, I get that. What I don't get is demanding that the franchise be something that it isn't. Idol's are always part of the focus. An Idol group? That is somewhat new but Fire Bomber's existence proves that it's far from unfounded.

Idols have long been a part of Macross and make it what it is. You don't like that? Then WHY are you watching when that is the price of admission.

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>>14749505
We haven't even gotten to the part where they asspull a way to save Ragna and Windemere where nobody important (except Chuck maybe) dies, get some Windie bishies din do nuffin excuses and the love "triangle" gets a provisional winner.

>>14749356
no fuck you
what this guy says >>14749505 is the harsh truth of your shit show

>>14749013
Did they even give a reason for that? Shit was jarring as fuck

>>14749203
epic memes

>>14749715
Don't bother, Deltafags haven't actually watched any other macross, you can see that by how they say that Delta is better than any of them or how all the problems it has have happened in every other macross while forgetting that the others had good points to them,unlike Delta

>>14749796
En yourself faggot. You know nothing of me.

>>14749823
Funny how you can only resort to screaming names instead of having an actual argument to defend yourself, don't you have your symphogear threads to circle jerk you faggot?

>>14749796
>good points
>7
anon, just admit you've only watched Delta

I miss Frontier. Delta is shit.

>>14749796
No one is saying Delta is better than all other Macross shows. Nice job trying to start shit.

>>14746003
SteRoid has some strange hobbies...

>>14749826
I don't watch Symphogears. I might give it a try after your post.

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>>14746003
> dat "do you remember love" piano BGM in Freyja & Hayate scene
yes, OH FUCK YES.

>>14746105
god damn.
let Freya win the bowl first before the casket, please ;_;

>>14749203
I don't get it.
does that mean my autism was not strong enough to understand?

>>14748127
YFW the macross returns in the final battle, possibly through a dimensional fold created by Mikumo and Lady M doing a duet of a fire bomber track

what are your wishes for the last episode of this series?

>>14749893
>what are your wishes for the last episode of this series?

For everything to go up in flames. Windermere blows up, the Macross Battleship blows up, the whole Delta squadron bites the dust. Mikumo is left in a catatonic state cared for by Hayate for the rest of his life. And Freyja dies without ever having won the Hayatebowl.

>>14749858
>I don't get it.

They put a frustrated rant about Re:Zero ending in Macross Delta, that has nothing to do with it.

>>14749926
Or just Ideon end. Or AC4 end with entire knight squadron biting the dust and not-Farbanti getting bombed to shit.

>>14749926
So edgy.

>>14749940
>Or just Ideon end.

Nah that's just too cruel. We need an ending with a little bit of irony. And what can be more ironic than Hayate having to care for Mikumo while losing Freyja (and the elf woman) ?
If Kawamori wants to give us a skewed triangle then he better do it good not half assed.

>>14749949
The only way to make Delta somewhat fun.
>>14749950
Just do AC4 ending, basically it.

>>14749893
Something like episode 01.

>>14749973
>wanting another idolshit

>>14750004
Delta is AKB0048_2, enjoy cute girls and low kill count.

>>14750014
>low kill count.
You are talking about relevant characters?

>>14750031
Only some NUNS mooks and Messer died in battle. Spess war my ass.

Except that AK0048 was actually a good show unlike Delta.

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>>14750037
I think we've reached the summit of shitposting with this post.

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>>14748158
Chaos is poor, missiles cost money to use. Explains why budget bird like VF-31 has a beam armament as well. It's cheap.
>>14746097
Second/movie part is weak. Pacing killed it and now we lack episodes to round whole thing into anything decent. I still like songs and action scenes thou.
>>14748002
Evolution>All.
>>14748041
Oh please.
>>14748117
Nerfed, non transformable VF-22.
>>14748704
>Nobody would have watched GuP
How about a race then? With shooting, backdoor corporate dirty deals, cute cyber lolis and polish nationalism?

>>14750181
>Evolution>All.
Fag.

>>14750181
>Nerfed, non transformable VF-22.
Berger said they fixed it up recently, apparently in anticipation that it was going to be used. I'd wager the studio was too cheap/lazy to bother making a full on working CG model for all three modes of the VF-22 since it would only appear for a few minutes in the episode and then be abandoned.

>>14750181

I still have no idea how you can claim the Evolution is a better design when all that exists is a schematic of it's fighter mode.

>>14750014
You didn't even watch AKB0048.

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YFW HIKARU MAKES A FUCKING COMEBACK NEXT EPISODE

MAKE IT HAPPEN YOU FUCKING CHINK

>>14750501

Wonder if Megaroad-01 colony army's walkirie technology is the same as the Nuns/SMS/Xaos one, I mean they dissapeared 50years ago, without communication, their technology development might be different.

Have you noticed that the voice talking to Wright in the tape is Nakamura aka Alto? I don't know if it's intended to be him, but I find unlikely that they bring him for 5 random lines.

>>14750544
Have you considered they could have found an advanced race and their technology is beyond god-tier?

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>>14748972

>Maybe it was just the orchestral version of "Do You Remember Love?" playing that made it work

Yes is the fucking song and maybe Hayate's father poem.

>>14750566

And hopefully with rejuvenation medicine, because Hikaru, Minmay and Misa are either already dead or very old, that makes me quite sad.

I try to forget that Global, Claudia and the bridge girls already passed away in 206X.

>>14749740
>Did they even give a reason for that? Shit was jarring as fuck

Berger's original VA Keiji Fujiwara is seriously ill and had to be replaced in all his current roles.

Hopefully it's not one of those guy dies at 50 from cancer situations, he's a good VA :(

>14750181 More like Satelight is dirt poor, while the writers won't let the Gary Stu's be seen losing a battle without their Space Anthrax. The poor writing and indie studio level budget also explains why no cyborgs like Brera or Delta Squad are seen in EX-Gear are used against them during ground battle. (The fujoshibait would get bitch slapped harder then Brera was by Ozma.)
Chaos has a Macross Class vessel four times the size of what SMS had. SMS also maintained two squads worth of fighters and a Konig Monster. Than still had enough for the missile spam.(i.e. Can't allow the Gary Stu Knights to be seen losing)

Back to Satalight, Delta's behind the scenes problems reveled just how bad things are for them. It seems between Nobunaga the Fool and during(or because of) M3 they lost a crap ton of money.

>>14750616
Im almost sure we're gonna get some Interstellar shit if they actually come back

Something like "time is relative" so 50 years, for Hikaru, Misa and Minmay only felt like 2-3 years, who knows

Once we actually see who Lady M is we shall know

>>14750293

Berger also mentioned that the leg units weren't installed, we know the VF-22 is able to jettison the arms and legs mid flight. I'm wondering if this was required in order to have enough ground clearance to mount the dimensional bomb.

>>14749893
Someone actually calling out Windemere for mind controlling people and starting this fucking war.

>>14751019
Hayate already said that episodes ago when they were captured on Voldor.

>>14750633
Oh god, I hope he gets better, I don't want to lose another artist I like

>>14750634
>Back to Satalight, Delta's behind the scenes problems reveled just how bad things are for them
Care to shed some light on that? I'm honestly curious at how much they could fuck up and what reasons Since I rather like M3

>>14746087
>dat olive drab VF-31
my dick

>>14750686

hell man that would be awful.

Lady M being Minmay? What?

Even when she left on the Megaroad-01 Minmay was still just a singer, not some kind of commanding or political figure

Also has anybody told the owner of SMS, who was devoted to finding her?

I hope Rick Hunter and the SDF3 appear in episode 26 so we can remove this abomination from continuity.

>>14751898
No one said Lady M was Minmay. All Berger said was that it was somebody from Megaroad-01, so it's probably Misa.

The final episode of Aquarion Logos was salvaged by playing a song everybody likes over a bunch of bullshit nobody cares about.
What song should they play during the final episode of Macross Delta to make this shitshow watchable?

>>14751948
All 5 members of Walküre do a cover of "Do You Remember Love?"

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>>14751958

Hell no. DYRL being played 'ironically' in Frontier's finale was just the icing on that shit cake.

Trying to repeat former glory by lazily shoehorning homages to DYRL instead of actually coming up with something fresh only further exemplifies how shitty Macross has become.

>>14751992

Evil version DYRL was not lazy or shoehorned

It was pretty fuckin' trite for the Freyja and Hayate discussion tho

>>14752025
A Walküre version of DYRL would be pretty hype, and if Lady M turns out to be Misa or Minmay it would be nice throwback.

>>14752056
Im just killing to know if they actually fucking survived the black hole and whet they been up to

>>14752092

At best we'll get a tease.

>>14750885
You see the legs lying on the ground next to the VF-22 when they get to it.

They were removed so they could have space for Reina, Makina, and Kaname

This is why none of the opinions on /m/ mean anything, most of you fucks can't fucking pay attention

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>>14750264
Why, should I have picked Chronos instead? I just am not fan of variable wings in Macross. Shinn's Zero was pure sex,Thunderbolt with boobs was better than grunt variant and Evolution is best looking for me - unless you count pic related. Or, again, Chronos/VF-31A.
>>14750293
He also mentioned that some leg parts were removed and considering Arad belly landed it I stand by my opinion.
>>14750467
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMoaCZYrNnA
And considering it's Messiah with trapezoid wings, it is really that hard to fill any gaps.
Ok. Plane and GEARwalk. Almost any battroid that isn't YF-21/22 look awkward and there is no helping in that.

>14751220
As far as I'm able to find M3 was a huge flop.
Delta is the way it is due both executive meddling and poor sales for years. Which explains the asspulls and the the plot going south after halfway through.

>>14752220

Ysflight isn't actually official, nor is their representation of the Evolution, so again I'm still not sure why you think you know enough about it to rate it.

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It's literally Prophecy with different wings/wing roots and, presumably, head unit.
Let me reiterate - VF-25 with trapezoid/delta wings. kinda like one with Tornado package.
See pic related.

>>14752378

So why not like the YF-25 Prophecy, which you know all the design details of? Or the VF-25 Messiah, which is practically identical?

Or is the little differences in the details that render them less than? Details you have no knowledge of with the YF-24 on that level. You don't even really have a proper view of it's fighter form, since it's just a schematic and that obfuscates lots of details as well as lacking color.

So how long do you guys think we'll have to wait before we get a new Macross series?

>>14752629

We might get a short form entry like an OVA or film in 5 or 6 years, otherwise it'll probably be close to a decade till the next TV show.

>>14752629
We've been getting something every 5 years lately. Unless they want to continue Delta in the form of a movie or OVA in the next couple of years which would push a "new" Macross that much later.

>>14746086

Ladies, the pimp has landed...

>>14752603
Personal preference?

Delta is a fine idolmecha anime.

It is an absolutely horrible Macross anime. You could take Macross out of the title and there would be very little to convince me it is even in the same franchise.

Overall, SDF > F > 7 > Delta

>>14753097

Yea, let's not pretend I'm denying you having a personal preference, or that you're making a remotely informed preference - what I'm asking is how you can claim your preference is for a unit we have little detail on over all the ones we actually know? And why you think the Evolution is better than the Prophecy or the Messiah, which are practically identical but have a lot more available information and images to see all their forms?

Saying you prefer the Evolution sounds less like you prefer what it adds over those two units, since you have no idea what that is, and more like you prefer it because you dislike something about the other two and simply can't see those things in the few details we have of the Evolution so assume they don't exist.

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>>14753172
I prefer Evolution because of what it doesn't have added and what can be seen on later iterations of basic design. It is pure aesthetics, I acknowledge that YF-24 is a prototype in real life definition of that world and it's daughter designs are superior spec wise. I've extrapolated it's looks from what is know, blueprints, planes shown in series and movies, YS, some kitbash designs and pic related. Yes, it is a case of 'Better is the enemy of good'.
Again, with Chronos, Shaher Femail, Kairos, fleshing out missing pieces in Evolution design isn't really hard- yes, some pieces might be missing but it still is probably just VF-25 with Chronos wings.

I implore everyone to re-watch episode 24 of Frontier to see the clear comparison of where we're standing with Delta at the moment.

It's a shame really, the plot/drama in Delta is as deep as a puddle right now.