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Its shit.
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Yeah
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>>14706515
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It's okay
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>>14706527
Nah, its terrible.
0080>>>>>>>>>Everything else>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>Zeta
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It's one of the best.
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>>14706515
It's THE shit.
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>>14706515
Haven't watched it yet but I kinda like the faceplate more than the frowny face that other Gundams have.
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>>14706629
>>14706638
Name three things it did better than 0079 that isn't the animation.
I'll wait.
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It's bait
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It's great.
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>>14706656
The sales numbers, and we all know sales = quality
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>>14706679
*facepalm*
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>>14706656
Soundtrack
Mech designs
More memorable side characters
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>>14706679
>The sales numbers
Source?
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>>14706691
>Mech designs
This is a big one. Zeta and ZZ both shit all over MSG in this department.
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>>14706656
The lead Gundam (both MkII and Zeta)
Hell, almost all the Zeta mobile suits are better than the MSG ones (except Z'Gok).
The Argama and other ships have more sane designs.
Yazan was the actual threat that Char was supposed to have been in MSG. In reality, Char mostly just runs away from the Gundam or lies about his mobile suit malfunctioning so he doesn't have to fight it. Sure, there were times where he actually stood against Amuro, but Yazan killed half the cast of Zeta. The element of Newtypism is much more thoroughly explored and in a less fairy-tale fashion ("Just because you understand someone doesn't mean you can live with them"). The politics are more fleshed out instead of just being "generic federation vs evil space potato". The ethics of the factions are brought into question by people switching sides. Not just Reccoa going all Titanbitch, either. Emma's original point of view shows what the rank-and-file soldier in the Titans believes by showing her reaction to seeing things that conflict with her personal beliefs. Compare this to MSG where we see Zeon soldiers acting like decent people but evidently having no problem with the obliteration of four Sides after the Three Second Warning. Katz's attempt to sway Sarah away from Scirocco shows the zealotry and idealism of Scirocco's faction at justifying everything he has done, while again in MSG we are left to assume that everyone is okay with the colony drop and death of half of humanity because no one ever calls anyone out on it (except maybe for Degwin calling Gihren "Hitler").
Then there's the clear showing of the indifference of the EF leadership by their failure to remove Jamitov from power even after Dekar. And, of course, Haman Karn maintaining the "We're the bad guys" point of view of original Zeon to contrast the more complex motives of AEUG and Titans. Then there's Karaba being another resistance against the Titans but maintaining a separate political identity from AEUG.
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>>14706515
that's your onion man
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>>14706750
(continued)
And then there's the real beast of war, Anaheim Electronics dealing to both sides to profit off the war, and Luio And Company being another example of opposition to the war but not actually being an opposing force to the Titans. This showed the influences of the political situation on the private sector.
And all of this compares to Mobile Suit Gundam's
>The Zeon: THEY'RE EVIL
>The Federation: IT'S THERE
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kamille is a man's name.
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>>14706656
1.It has a better developed cast of characters, Reccoca's betrayal for example had a much better arc than anyone on Whitebase had save Amuro, they developed it fairly subtly over a long period of time and it fundamentality altered the conflict and the other characters. MSG had some of this, but not nearly as much.
2. More threats from the Titans. Almost always the battles were tense and the AEUG struggled allot more than Amuro did fighting against Zeon enemies. Kamille was constantly having to retreat and get bailed out against foes like Yazan and even Jerid at times.
3.The soundtrack was incredibly dark and helped foster Zetas atmosphere. 0079's funky tunes were cool and all, but they didn't have the emotional impact that Zeta's tracks did.
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>Millenials cannot understand classic, older anime
go back to your Moe
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>>14706828
Are you implying Zeta wasn't moe?
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>>14706550
>0080
patrician taste my friend
it really is the best Gundam tale ever told
0083 comes close because of the beautiful animation, but the story faltered near the end with all the lame boyfriend/old lover drama that served no purpose
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>>14706515
so is your waifu m8
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>>14706843
>Not posting the most moe Zeta girl
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>>14706679
>Gundam SEED
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>>14706932
The moe-est.
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>>14706982
Kamille may have killed three of Jerid's girlfriends, but Jerid killed Four.
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>>14706515
Yeah we get it kid you're upset no one likes your gay ass 079 but that doesn't mean you can just hate on something that's factually amazing.
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>>14707006
That's some good shit, anon.
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>>14706982
Why is he so perfect?
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>>14707006
CARLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
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>>14707101
>he
Kamille is a girl's name
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>>14707006
DAMMMIT
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>>14707142
>Kamille is a girls name
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>>14706515
Yeah yeah, hating on Zeta is cool and edgy.
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>>14707737
No, it's just common sense.
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>>14706750
>>14706782
Saved, what a great post
It really sticks it to the underage "shitposter" faggots that come here to beat on an anime they've never seen.
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>>14707793
Keep posting this. Eventually it'll work.
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>>14706515
>Kamille is a godawful MC
>Zeta gundam is a Macross rip-off
>lol Quattro Vagina
Indeed it's shit
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>>14706750
>Hell, almost all the Zeta mobile suits are better than the MSG ones (except Z'Gok).
Hahahahaha no
Zeta's design is all over the place due being a literal competition between designers. The Baund Doc is a good example of this.
>The Argama and other ships have more sane designs.
The only one that was out of place in 0079 was the White Base, and that was because the show still had its Super Robot vibes back then.
>Yazan was the actual threat that Char was supposed to have been in MSG
Oh yes because everyone remembers Yazan for anything more that "I'M GOING TO VIOLATE YOU".
>The element of Newtypism is much more thoroughly explored and in a less fairy-tale fashion
>a literal MS powered by the ghosts of the MC's dead harem
>less fairy-tale
This is why Zetafags are so delusional.
>The politics are more fleshed out instead of just being "generic federation vs evil space potato".
Oh yes because "literal space nazis" vs "muh oppresion" vs "muh zeon" is so much fleshed out than 0079's political conflict that is still talked to this day.
>The ethics of the factions are brought into question by people switching sides.
Oh yes, let's not forget that the only unlikeable character the good guys had went to the bad guys' side, or how the only likeable character the bad guys had went to the good guys' side.
Gee this sure makes the cast completely balanced!
>Compare this to MSG where we see Zeon soldiers acting like decent people but evidently having no problem with the obliteration of four Sides after the Three Second Warning.
You literally have no idea how people really act and you should probably kill yourself because that would be more likely than going outside of your basement.
>MSG we are left to assume that everyone is okay with the colony drop and death of half of humanity because no one ever calls anyone out on it
Except everyone who isn't a zeek moron. Go figure. Just like how germans supported the Third Reich despite all the things they did.
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>>14707737
>edgy
That would be liking it. Only edgy teenagers think Zeta is good because muh grimdark war drama.
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>>14707842
>Oh yes because everyone remembers Yazan for anything more that "I'M GOING TO VIOLATE YOU".
Yeah, we remember him for being a cool competent old type enemy who regularly kills named characters.
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>>14707842
>Oh yes, let's not forget that the only unlikeable character the good guys had went to the bad guys' side, or how the only likeable character the bad guys had went to the good guys' side.
>Gee this sure makes the cast completely balanced!
You think that Katz is likeable and that Mour is unlikeable ? Why ?
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>>14707842
>Zeta's design is all over the place
The only designs you could call bad, much less worse than 0079's are the Baund Doc and maybe the Asshimar. When you've got the Zeta, Messala, Byarlant, Hizack, etc., there's really nothing to complain about.
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>>14706750
>Then there's the clear showing of the indifference of the EF leadership by their failure to remove Jamitov from power even after Dekar.
EF's incompetence and corruption was a thing from 0079 you faggot.
>And, of course, Haman Karn maintaining the "We're the bad guys" point of view of original Zeon to contrast the more complex motives of AEUG and Titans
So you're literally defending the show for making a cardboard faction? Oh my god the delusion goes deeper than I thought.
>Then there's Karaba being another resistance against the Titans but maintaining a separate political identity from AEUG.
Karaba was nothing but "hey look Amuro is alive but you won't see him anymore because fuck having good characters in this show!"
>And then there's the real beast of war, Anaheim Electronics dealing to both sides to profit off the war
Except AE's importance in the show is minimal. Just like you said, their only purporse was to sell weapons. For as much flac as 0083 gets, they put a lot more importance in AE than Zeta did.
>And all of this compares to Mobile Suit Gundam's
>The Zeon: THEY'RE EVIL
>The Federation: IT'S THERE
This is why people hate you. You fags are so up your asses you literally ignore a topic that's been debated for fucking years. What does Zeta gets remember for besides "lool dats a gurrls name"?
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What your favorite opening /m/?
I used to like the first one the most, but Aqueous Star with Love carries so much emotional weight,
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>>14707852
Katz was unlikeable because his character was an fucking brat, not because he was actually a bad character. This is the same shit retards complain about Quess.
And Mour fucking dies, so there's your answer.
>>14707858
I never said the designs were bad by themselves, I said that they're all over the place.
Nagano, Kobayashi and Fujita's styles clash a lot.
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>>14707847
That's it. That's his whole character.
See how many threads that gets you compared to the ones that discuss Char's character.
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>>14707867
Screw opening, I want to bratatatatat all day erryday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfVG-fyMkNU
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>>14707865
Zeta's a direct sequel, so it's only natural that it builds on stuff like the EF's incompetence and the conflict between the ideals of the EF and Zeon through the titans and Neo Zeon.
That other anon worded it poorly, but Haman's faction is a good addition because she's manipulative. Neo Zeon negotiates with both factions and chooses to side with the one that benefits it most before leaving them both at the end of the Gryps war.
Karaba doesn't get much screentime, but it's good to show that AEUG has allies on Earth and gives them more of an excuse to have an arc on Earth.
They did a good job giving Amuro a new arc to work with, considering his conflicting feelings about fighting and his role in the war. And it's for the best that he took a back seat for Kamille to take the lead. Otherwise we'd get another Destiny situation.
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>>14707874
Your claim was that every character in the Titans was unlikable except Emma, who switched sides. And that every AEUG member was likable except Reccoca, who switched sides. And that this showed a bad job in making the cast balanced. That entails that you think that Mour is an unlikable character. Your justification for why she is unlikable is because she dies apparently. But that would mean that every character who dies is unlikable. That entails that every AEUG character who dies is unlikable, including Apolly, who according to your other claim was likable, since all AEUG characters except Reccoca are supposedly likable. So Apolly is both likable and unlikable according to you.
You are retarded.
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>>14707885
Char's character wouldn't be half as interesting to discuss if it wasn't for his roles in Zeta and CCA.
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>>14707885
What about the fact that he refused to take part in the attacks against civilians that the Titans took part in? That shows an interesting dynamic given how brutal he is in battle, while being unwilling to hurt civilians. It is also a clear counterexample to your claim.
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>>14707900
>Zeta's a direct sequel, so it's only natural that it builds on stuff like the EF's incompetence and the conflict between the ideals of the EF and Zeon through the titans and Neo Zeon.
He said this
>Then there's the clear showing of the indifference of the EF leadership
implying Zeta did it, not 0079.
>That other anon worded it poorly, but Haman's faction is a good addition because she's manipulative
So is it good because it's a complex faction or is it good because it's a cardboard faction that """""balances"""""" the other """"complex""""" factions? Make up your goddamn minds.
Also Neo Zeon was literally "muh zeon" and "muh zabi" so there's nothing complex there.
>Karaba doesn't get much screentime, but it's good to show that AEUG has allies on Earth and gives them more of an excuse to have an arc on Earth.
So nothing then. They're like the not!AEUG, now with more Amuro!
>They did a good job giving Amuro a new arc to work with, considering his conflicting feelings about fighting and his role in the war.
Which would've been 10x times more interesting than seeing a kid go "im not a wymen waaaaaaah"
>And it's for the best that he took a back seat for Kamille to take the lead.
It was the show's way of saying "lol you don't get complex character, suck it up and watch this autist kid get war autism"
>Otherwise we'd get another Destiny situation.
I hope you're not implying Destiny had any quality before Kira arrived.
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>>14707924
>I hope you're not implying Destiny had any quality before Kira arrived.
Not him, but Destiny was actually alright. before Kira ruined it all. It wasn't great, but enjoyable. I actually found the colony drop episodes really engaging.
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>>14707924
Incompetence =/= indifference. 0079 Federation were certainly incompetent, the Luna II incident were sticking to rigid protocol in dealing with White Base gave Zeon an opportunity to wreck them, but I would like to see what evidence you can bring forward to suggest that they were ever indifferent in 0079.
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>>14707909
>Your claim was that every character in the Titans was unlikable except Emma, who switched sides. And that every AEUG member was likable except Reccoca, who switched sides. And that this showed a bad job in making the cast balanced. That entails that you think that Mour is an unlikable character.
Both Emma and Reccoa survived a good fraction of the show, something Mour couldn't because "fuck having likeable characters in the bad guys' side!" and "fuck giving Chad his happiness!"
>You are retarded.
>says the guy that defends Zeta
oh the irony.
>>14707916
Except Char's character in Zeta was completely shit compared to his character in 0079 and CCA, and even then he's still more memorable than Violation guy.
>>14707923
>What about the fact that he refused to take part in the attacks against civilians that the Titans took part in? That shows an interesting dynamic given how brutal he is in battle, while being unwilling to hurt civilians.
>then proceeds to say he's going to violate his enemies
Oh yeah some real fucking contrast there.
I find it hard to believe that the same guy who probably ejaculates when killing enemies is also a kind and respectful soldier who despises killing civilians.
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>>14707924
Well, I'm not saying only Zeta did it. It simply built off of it with the titans situation.
Neo Zeon is good because it not only acts as a 3rd party, making the war more complex, but also because it shows what happened to the Zabi loyalists and Zeon remnants. It also makes a good contrast with the AEUG, who fight for the colonies without accepting the ideals of old Zeon.
Just because they're allied with AEUG doesn't mean they're just more AEUG. I don't agree with the other anon that they're an important faction that makes the story that much more interesting, but it's natural for a faction in a war to have an ally or two. And Karaba is serviceable.
Kamille is great. You can try to write him off as just a whiny brat, but he has reasons for being rebellious, like the titans being oppressive on Green Noa, and having awful parents. He finds a role model in Char and actually develops over the series from a brat to a mature soldier.
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>>14707933
>Not him, but Destiny was actually alright.
Nice joke friend.
>>14707935
>Incompetence =/= indifference
I believe you are literally retarded. Why do you think they were indifferent? Because the FUCKING SPACE NAZIS THEY CREATED WERE ACTUALLY IN CHARGE.
Their indifference isn't linked to their incompetenece but to their corruption.
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>>14707947
Explain why the beginning of Destiny is bad then.
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>>14707948
Because it explains that the reason the MC is an angsty brat is because her sister was literally retarded.
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>>14707865
Stop with the memelord "breakdown" posts.
You're not fucking Sherlock Holmes, you're not some witty super-intelligent internet warrior. You're just picking apart literally every sentence so you can achieve maximum strawman while writing very little and contributing minimal original thought beyond "kek delusional" and "kek if I frame it this way I'll look cool"
Past all your retarded little quips is the fact that you never had one single coherent reply to the major theme of his post, which was political diversity and interplay. Instead you decided to do something more akin to a half-baked standup routine and spam "oh my god" on every single sentence without ever putting two together and comprehending the overall message.
Someone like you is evidently too fucking lazy and stupid to read a post properly and reply without looking like an overcaffeinated PMSing squirrel, so you obviously don't deserve a genuine, relevant reply that goes beyond the 'meta' content of this diatribe.
Fuck you.
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>>14707948
Because Y1 made you do a jillion quests before raiding
Also you couldn't get decent gear or coins for gear until almost level 20
The entire beginning is a pointless time-wasting slog
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>>14707959
Moderate kek
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>>14707941
Now you are back peddling. Your claim was that there were no likable Titans except Emma. This is contradicted unless you claim that Mour is unlikable. If you want to claim that not enough of the likable Titans survived long periods of time except Emma then this is an extremely weaker and more vague critique than the one you gave before, and either way, what you said before was wrong.
>Oh yeah some real fucking contrast there.
I find it hard to believe that the same guy who probably ejaculates when killing enemies is also a kind and respectful soldier who despises killing civilians.
Regardless, you still said that his character could be entirely summed up in >>14707847
and "Violate". Even if you don't find it believable that someone could be ruthless on the battlefield but still be unwilling to kill civilians ( maybe look into some war history, this opinion is contradicted by guys like Rommell, who was harsh on the battlefield but wouldn't kill POWs or civilians needlessly like the other Nazis would) this still shows that there is something more to his character, and hence your claim was proven false.
>>14707947
I asked for an example of indifference in 0079. The other anon claimed that Zeta introduced indifference in the federation. You claimed that that was already present in 0079. The example you gave to prove your point was something from Zeta, not 0079 - so you have not proved your point here.
You have clearly claimed that 0079 introduced indifference into the federation before Zeta here
>>14707924 . So I want to see your evidence of 0079 having an indifferent Federation.
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>>14707959
Giggled anon. Gem in a shit thread.
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>>14707006
DELETE THIS
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>>14707990
u have like 1 brain cell
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all of you should kill yourselves desu.
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