Macross Delta (23)

>>14690341
Description of the episode doesn't reveal anything

惑星アルヴヘイムからフォールドゲートを抜け、ついにウィンダミアの地に降り立ったΔ小隊とワルキューレたち。戦術ライブによる共鳴反応でプロトカルチャーシステムを破壊すべく、ウィンダミアの王都ダーウェントを目指す――

They are heading towards the capital, Darwent, to destroy the Protoculture System.

>>14690341

Freyja will end up cozzying to Heinz-sama. And have a lot of little royal babies. Hayate will bang Mirage and end up with a lot of little elves as incompetent as their mother. The Jenius bloodlline will be truly finished. This gentlemen is the grand finale. Prepare the pitchforks.

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>>14690481
Freyja isn't from royality.

Where are the Heinz x Mikumo doujins?

>>14690545
>Freyja isn't from royality.

Doesn't matter. Freyja will do what the writers decide.

>>14690545
He fits right in already. He and Freyja would make a cute Windermeran couple.

>>14690786
>>14690481
You're forgetting Freyja is already engaged to some guy in her time. He's already being NTR'd by Hayate, and you want Heinz to do it too?

>>14690813
Her fiance already found a new wife.

>>14690822
Source?

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>>14690902

I wanna suck Heinz's runes

>>14690813
Her ex - fiance is already married. It's revealed in manga.

With so many animation director, it looks like it's going to be a quality episode.

>>14690919
>>14690902
Well, i expected him to appear in the next episode but with this, the chance are null. I guess Freyja will just think of them (him and the family that adopted her (?)) while going to the imperial capital.

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This always make me laugh.

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the fuck?

DYRL>>SDF>>Movie Frontier>>Frontier = Delta = Macross 7 >>> Plus = Zero.

>>14691478
DYRL= SDF = Movie Frontier = Frontier = Delta = Macross 7 = Plus = Zero.

Does Macross Delta live up to its predecessors in your opinion?
Does the weekly wait for an episode influence your judgement?

>>14690822
>>14690955
Oh. Pity, I was wondering if Freyja'd go back to him at the end due to the aging diferences between her and Hayate.

>>14691534
>Mirage with idol outfit
They're pushing this thing way too hard.

https://gubabablog.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/macross-delta-vol-1-chapter-1.pdf

Is Hayate a stalker?

>>14691556
>It looked like the girl might run, so Hayate quickly seized her arm. That wasn't the complete reason he did so, but he didn’t quite realize that and couldn’t explain why he would do so. He just did it.
>And in holding her slender arm, he felt as if he had stepped out of the darkness and into a blinding ray of light.

Kek. Hayate's feelings are completely one-sided. Freyja thinks he's a weird pervert.

>>14690451
Heinz will become an ally.

>>14691573
No.

>On the monitor from the Workroid’s camera eye, Hayate watched the girl run away from the guards.
>“What’s she gonna do…?”
>It wasn’t like he was stalking her.

>Hayate looked up and found himself staring down the barrel of a gun, which was being held by a young woman.
>Her hair was the color of fire,'and she was terribly beautiful.
>Her eyes looked down on Hayate, burning with rage and flashing white.

Did he get a bonet while watching Mirage holding a gun?

>>14691661
>bonet
boner*

>>14691516
yes.
yes.

>>14691619
>It wasn’t like he was stalking her.

Sure, he wasn't. In retrospect, it makes his following around Freyja to another planet (where Arad got him) kind of obsessive.

Cue to every breath you take.

>>14691667
He was about to fuck Freyja there. Mirage just cockblocked him and preserve Hoina's purity from the stalker rapist-kun.

He even follows Freyja to another planet when she wants nothing to do with him.

>If he wasn’t going to grab her, he needed some kind of alternate plan… and his mind was totally drawing a blank. It’s not like he could suavely hop down from the workroid and try to make a pass at the girl, right…?
So the alternate plan that comes to his mind is hit on Freyja?

>So what he did wasn’t out of any sense of duty. Really, there wasn’t any reason.
>The girl’s words, her'smile, her'eyes…they all made Hayate’s heart beat faster.
>That was all.
>Her eye color was the same as that man’s. That was all.

Alto wanted to fuck his dead mom and now Hayate wants to fuck his dead dad. Yikes, Kawamori.

>>14691704
Does she really want nothing to do with him at that point? He saved her life.

>>14691854
It's called "nips want their waifus to be ''''''''''''pure'''''''''' so they can't fucking make characters fuck each other."

>>14691516
No and no. I actually think I prefer 7 to this, though I haven't watched 7 in two years.

>>14691934
7 is great.

>>14691941
It has shit pacing though. Waiting 20 or so episodes for SOMETHING plot-relevant to happen is absolutely insane.

>>14691722
>>14691556
Who wrote this trash?

>>14691941
There was so much recycled animation though, and a lot of the space battles were just lines of tracers flashing in the background while VFs were dragged on cels against it. The reason why Delta is worse is because it recycles a lot of modern 3D animation for no good reason other than cheapness.

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>>14691943
Its slow, but it makes up for it once it gets past twenty episodes.
I'm sure if it aired today /m/ wuld shit all over it.

>>14691968
/m/ would shit on it for the first 20 episodes of nothing happenning. And most people would drop it anyway. Waiting half a year for plot to actually move is terrific. And missiles are the best.

>>14691943
Just stop and wait it's complete before watching it.

>>14691966
>The reason why Delta is worse is because it recycles a lot of modern 3D animation for no good reason other than cheapness.
Like the previous TV macross?

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>>14691980
>And missiles are the best.
You just don't get his music, do you.

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>>14692043
This beauty > HIS SONG.

>>14691980
Episode 11= The city 7 get separated from the Battle 7 and to enter the hyperdimension.
Episode 16-17-18= Physica death, NTR

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>>14692047

>>14692071
>to enter the hyperdimension.
forced to enter*

>>14692077
YF-29 is shit. 27 is much better though.

>>14692077

That thing looks like raw garbage. There is way too much going on in that design and the forward swept canards are dumb as fuck.

>>14692094
Yeah, two pairs of forward swept wings/canards is overkill.

>>14692109
>>14692094
The only real problem with the design are the in-wing engine and whatever the fuck the additional pod is for.

If the wings were naked it'd be fine.

>>14692122
The additional pod is for missiles, I think.

>>14692122

No there's actually a lot of problems with the YF-29.

>forward canards
>quad pods on wings that ruin its sleek look
>giant fucking Gundam verniers on engines the shape of which is so completely out of line with everything else
>pew pew machineguns over the shoulder in Battroid mode look like a clusterfuck, coupled with the wings makes the battroid look like a SEED design
>even the color scheme is ugly

You could forgive one of these things. But all of them, combined, on a single design? Thing is pug fugly.

>>14692082

They're both shit.

>>14692145
They're both good*

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>>14692438
OOH BABY
Finally the A getting some love

>>14692552
Idolshit was a mistake

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>>14692579

>>14691943
>It has shit pacing though. Waiting 20 or so episodes for SOMETHING plot-relevant to happen is absolutely insane.

Absolutely true, but then out of the 40 something episodes we got 20 episodes which were damn good, with the final 10 or so been fantastic. Delta doesn't have as many episodes as 7, so even if the last 2 episodes are good (which is a very long shot at this point) it's simply too litlle too late to redeem the other fucking 22-24 episodes of nothingness.

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>>14692601
Frontier kept the Idorus back at the ship projecting holograms and fold waves for combat support, just like they did in the original and Macross II. it never had them jumping around on buildings dancing like mahou shoujo causing singing orgasms.

>>14693195
I wish Delta writers were competent enough either to go full Ace Combat, or full 7 with maximum musical magic insanity. Delta is neither and has absolutely horrific pacing issues and shitty antagonists. Why the fuck absolutely sentient hominids from Windermere are more stupid than bugs is a gigantic question.

>>14693231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAWUue_Cf9g

>>14691953
The same author of Frontier novel which had Sheryl endgame revealed early on.

Anyway, Febri magazine has the scriptwriter stating that Hayate is in love with Freyja. But the romance is cockblocked by the plot because muh good feel triangle.

>>14693231
You make it painfully obvious you haven't watched Delta yet because that only happens in the first episode. Singing in a protected battleship does happen quite a few times.

>>14693353
Is there a source to this? I want to believe you bud.

>>14693372
He's obviously never watched Frontier either, since I distinctly remember Ranka being in quite close conatct with hostiles while singing, and Sheryl flying around Frontier with the same underskirt jet pods that Walkure use.

>>14693377
Febri magazine last month. Search /a/ archive. The scenario is like this: Hayate and Freyja grow close together but the war events are obstacles for their romance (they cannot focus on it because important shit happens). This is because they wanted the trio relationship to be portrayed without 'winners' or 'losers'. So either Freyja end after the plot is solved or another unresolved end because they are retards and forgot their audience hates sky ends.

POWER TO THE DREAM
POWER TO THE MUSIC

>>14693547

Sky end isn't particularly ambiguous though, given what had been going on in the show before that point, like the fact Sheryl and Alto are dating. Only shippers see it as ambiguous.

>>14693672

What pissed me off about sky end wasn't the ambiguity, it was that all of Alto's problems basically stemmed from him being an indecisive fuck who can never just say what he wants. To the point where you had other characters like Michael telling him to cut that shit out. And then, at the very end, with the music building and after he's broken through the atmosphere of an unknown alien world and is flying over this new frontier after saving the entire galaxy, he is still a shitter who can't spit it out and gives that crap Hallmark card noncommital answer.

>>14693988

He wasn't all that indecisive. He decided he wanted to be a pilot and left his family and a fortune behind to go get it, then decided that he'd join SMS. Which he also did. The only thing he was maybe indecisive over was romance, and even then he was really all in on Sheryl throughout the TV animation. The "you are both my wings" line comes in a moment where Ranka has just talked about how Sheryl gave her strength and is obviously more about friendship and how people rely on it than romance. He never gives a non-committal answer because he's never asked to make a decision. Ranka has feelings for him but I doubt he ever realizes it since I don't think she ever makes it known. The most obvious moment for her is when she sings with Sheryl at the hospital when Alto is hurt, but I doubt he sees it as a sign of romantic love and competition like Sheryl does because he has none of the context Sheryl does.

>>14694085

Doesn't Sheryl tell Alto at some point that Ranka is head over heels for him? And it was pretty early on too IIRC.

>>14694089

Does she? I don't recall it at least, but it may be there and just something I've forgotten about.

>>14694107

Yeah to be honest I haven't seen Frontier since it aired so I could be mixing it up with something from the movies.

>>14694112

Yea, in the movies her feelings are made explicit and Alto says he can't return them in what I imagine is a move predicated on people thinking the show was too wishy-washy on that front, but I'm not sure he ever knows in the TV show.

>>14694125

I am pretty sure that when Ranka starts singing that Anata no Oto song Sheryl tells him "that song is for you, retard, she's singing about you" and he gets it.

>>14694137

Any idea of the episode? I don't recall it, but I'm curious now if it did happen so I'm happy to go and re-watch the episode if you can recall it.

>>14694142

I think it was episode 19.

Why the fuck people are discussing Frontier in Delta thread? Is Delta that shit?

>>14694149
Read the discussion retard. Delta isn't shit but it might have a shit ending like Frontier.

>>14694232
> Delta isn't shit
Top tier memes my friend.

>>14694240
If you like memes so much you might want to go to 9gag or reddit.

>>14694146

Just watched through it and it's Micheal that tells Alto both Ranka and Sheryl's songs are dedicated to him. Which elicits a few responses. First Alto seems to have no idea what he's talking about. Then he says he doesn't want to hear something like that from a womanizer like Micheal and finally he homes in how Micheal acts because he realizes that Micheal is hiding something about Sheryl. Which I'm assuming is that Micheal knows she's dying and Alto doesn't - though it's been a while since I saw all of Frontier so I could be wrong.

Immediately after which Sheryl comes and interrupts them, with Micheal leaving Alto alone with Sheryl - where she loses balance, prompting Alto to grab her and Ranka running up the stairs to find them embracing. Alto seems like he understands why she'd feel so shocked about seeing that, but is interrupted once again because Ranka runs away before he can say anything. It's also at this point that the Vajra on board the Frontier attack because they sense Ranka feeling despair, so that nothing further can come of it and their next interaction is Alto asking her to sing to calm the Vajra, with Sheryl slapping then hugging her when she says she can't.

All of which leaves Alto a little distracted and probably dismissing Ranka's feelings. I doubt he gives Michael's word on the matter much weight though, because of who that word is coming from. Ranka herself never says anything that I can recall.

>>14693253

Why do fansubbers still put fucking karaoke and moon runes all over screens? Why can't they be classy like Central Anime?

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>>14694232
>People think the ending was the only shit part about Frontier
>People are still denying that Delta is shit despite the blatant retardation the characterization and plot went through after episode 13

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>>14694726
Speak about yourself faggot.

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>>14691556
I wonder how they would alter that scene from Episode 22, the author could make that scene in favor of one of the girls instead of that triangle crap from the anime. He could get something like:

>but suddenly the song began to sound different, I felt all sparkly inside again, and then I could feel Freyja's warm presence once again

or

>but then I hear an angelic voice calling out to me, and there I see Mirage, in tears, embracing me

Your pick, boys.

>>14695151
>but suddently, you're both my wings.

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Macross E volume 01 cover.

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>>14695279
Higher resol*
None of them followed Basara's/Fire Bomber's path in Delta, not even Mirage. Too bad.

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>>14695301
Considering how much of a loser Mirage is and how she dresses up like Walkure, I suddenly want her to poorly sing OP1 like Gamlin did for Seventh Moon.

>>14695279
>>14695301
>they fucked up her tits

*sigh*

>>14694733
>only pilot whose flightsuit features a crotch piece

wtf

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>>14695346
It's the same in the chapters. It's just that the artist can't draw them well.

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>>14695366

>>14695342
She is too shy for that.

>>14695363
no?

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>>14695385

"No" what? None of the other Delta Platoon pilots have a section of flight suit colored differently from the rest of the flight suit, to specifically denote the crotch area. Just Mirage's.

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>>14695385

>>14690341
Checklist:

- Freyja's song must surpass Mikumo or reach same level.
- Romance ending Hayate with Mirage.
- Freyja MUST survive AND be happy loved by the entire galaxy.
- Mikumo must survive and legally be adopted by Freyja
- Windermere short life fixed using the ruins power.
- Kaname dumping Arad and confessing to Messer 's grave.
- Roid dead by Keith's hand or life sentence.
- Isamu's cameo because Myung is lady M
- Le happy merchant fucked with his own pipe.

Simple requirements for Delta's legacy to be secured for 7+ years until the next series.
For once, let everyone win, no KIA/MIA/bittersweet endings like Frontier or Zero please Kawamori, the fans will reward you.

no tragedy end like Mirage on last scene going to Hayate's mother to inform of his death, or she taking care of a fully VAR'd Hayate please no

>>14690341

Wow, they sure did get the previews online pretty early this week. For episode 22 the previews showed up thirty minutes before it aired.

>>14696945
They wanted to hype 22. They failed.

>>14697115
Episode 22 was pretty decent. I don't know why you're so negative.

>>14697119
These shitposters are dedicated.

EP23: 00d 05h 00m

>>14695695
This list is full of shit

>>14697115
or maybe someone didn't do his job for the episode 22.

>>14692369

this feels like so long ago, when the show was still promising...

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>>14697322
>when the show was still promising...
I like it better now desu. Remember how episode 01 was not really like a macross but a full idolshit >>14692552?

I still have faith in the show.

I'm convinced people who didn't like Delta's first episode are people whose only previous exposure to the franchise was Macross Plus webms, it's a logical extension of everything we've seen in this franchise previously.

>>14697393
I'm >>14697327 and i've seen all the macrosses before the 1st episode of Delta. THe 1st of ep Delta was not Macross, it was complete idolshit show with few mecha in the middle.

As for you, i suggest you watch SDF macross 1st then follow the production orders for the next one

>>14697411

So what is Macross, then, if not something heavily predicated on the existence of idols and numbers of CD sales?

>>14697419
Until they get rid of that traditional thing, Macross=
Love Triangle
Music(not mandatory idol)
Mecha (V-F)

Macross Delta would have been too much focused on its idolshit if it was like the 1st episode/Preview episode.

>>14697411
I've watched everything in this franchise and it fits perfectly as something that came after Frontier, and heavily inspired by 7.

>>14697476
Frontier didn't threw the idols in the battlefield. The sound force from 7 didn't go on the battlefield without their Variable fighters. Indeed, it would have been less retarded if the Walkure members were in a VF.

>>14697441
1st episode had more VF action than any other episode.

>idolshit
You seriously picked wrong franchise.

>>14697527
>1st episode had more VF action than any other episode.
You're wrong. This >>14692552 never happened outside episode 01.

>>14697527
Don't bother, he obviously doesn't really believe what he's trying to prove, typing like a SEAmonkey is part of his act.

>>14697532
How is it even related, retard?
You said that Macross should have music and Mecha (VF). And 1st episode had more music and Mecha action than any other episode (well, maybe 13th episode had more).

>>14697327
This

VFs in delta might as well just be planes, most episodes it's like they forgot that the things can transform. I don't think battroids have done anything outside of episode 1 and the fold-jammer episode.

>>14697441
>not mandatory idol

Well then, every single entry in the franchise except Zero and maybe II, since I haven't seen it, would like a word with you.

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>>14697541
>retard
Don't be so mad.

>How is it even related
You said >>14697527
>1st episode had more VF action than any other episode.
and it's wrong. An episode even before episode 13 had more mecha action. (webm related)

>>14697555
There is some battroid here and there sometimes after ep01, you probably forgot.

>>14697558
>would like a word with you.
Why? I said music doesn't mandatory imply Idols.

>>14697558
and 7*
Because Rock band.

>>14697555
Isn't 31A Battroid mode too slow to fight a draken III?

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>>14697555

>>14697604

What if Mirage wins the Freyjabowl?

>>14697584
Without spess magic they are pretty much equal.
>>14697555
Nothing wrong with planes. Too bad all dogfights are pretty much the same.

>>14697604
>Get both tired of the MC
>throw him away and end together
Why this hasn't happened before?

>>14697618
>idolshit
>spess magic
You forgot to mention Isamu-lite. It's so fucking easy to recognize your shitposting and samefagging.

>>14697579

And Macross clearly seems to think it does 90% of the time, so there's that.

>>14697322

I wish we'd gotten that show, rather than Ace Combat Delta.

>>14697629
>>14697558
7 isn't an idolshit show

>>14697633
The only thing separating it from "retarded idolshit" is the genre of music, that's it.

>>14697632
You're getting 2 seasons of Symphogear next year. You can watch the previous season >>14697291 while waiting for the others if you didn't.

>>14697634
>In Japanese pop culture, "idol" (アイドル aidoru?, a Japanese rendering of the English word "idol") is a term typically used to refer to young manufactured stars/starlets marketed to be admired for their cuteness.

>>14697635
>2 seasons of Symphogear next year.

what the fug

>>14697639
If mylene were the front of Fire Bomber you would call it idolshit

>>14697640
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-02-28/symphogear-anime-gets-both-4th-and-5th-seasons-with-game-in-production/.99161

>>14697642
I don't know. Isn't she in the front with Basara?

>>14697640
It makes shitton of money. GX sold more BDs than Delta.

>>14697635

> Symphogear
> dancing VFs
> tactical idols rather than multiple one one one or at most two v one battles

Yea no.

>>14697643

I hope they are better than GX.
In fact Delta kinda reminds me of GX. Started out really strong and then seemed to lose it and rushed towards an unsatisfying conclusion.

Hopefully though Delta pulls itself together.

>>14697651
>I wish we'd gotten that show, rather than Ace Combat Delta.
That's clearly what you want though.

>>14697652

At least Delta had a few complete good episodes together at the start, even if only 2 or 3 and the best part was at the end of episode 1. GX peaked literally in the first minutes of the first episode and was just disappointing after that.

>>14697658
It's not even Ace Combat. No cool music.
>>14697663
That's what happens when you use the same concept n times in a row.

>>14697658

It clearly isn't, and outside episode one barely has the elements I mentioned, but I'm sure that won't stop you shit posting.

Symphogear's problem is that every character is a King Records idol so no one can die or retire, so you have tremendous character bloat. So you get a lot of jabbing or characters standing around uselessly.

>>14697678
Delta is pretty much the same. Half the cast should be dead already, they are pretty much useless. Why the fuck do Arad and three out of five idols ever exist.

>>14697730

That chart is clearly wrong, since all Windermereans should have 20 in strength. Not a pidddly human 10. That, and Freyja managed to beat him using Hayate as a proxy, so he must be with peer in some one of those stats.

>>14697730

Keith's sense of humor should be 0.

live: vaughnlive.tv/neetball

Hayate is with them.

That's a nice truck

>Freyja sing Seikan hikou
RIP

KIRA!~

Flustered Mikumo is a miracle of the universe

Mikumo is strong

Now this is fun!

What's wrong with Roid and Mikumo?

>>14697793
Glasses villain figured out how to trigger her MKULTRA programming

I don't know who is the antagonist anymore.

>>14697802
Roid + Mikumo at this point.

DOUJINS

>>14697813

What happened?

>>14697824
Roid and his little rape dungeon decorated with glasses.

Isn't a bit late to introduce them to that hole?

>>14697859
Bogue bitched AGAIN. He does this for an entire series. Everything is too late.

>>14691478
>X = Macross 7 >>> Y
No.

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>>14697866
why?

>>14697867
Basara mainly, it has many other issues but he's the one that makes it irredeemably bad and bottom of the pile by a long margin.

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Hayate's father had glasses, just like Roid.

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>>14697870
>he's the one that makes it irredeemably bad and bottom of the pile by a long margin.
Basara is the best MC since Isamu.
Macross 7 is pretty good after 10 ep.

I can't see how Delta is going to end with 3 episodes left.

>>14697879
> Macross 7 is pretty good after 10 ep.
After episode 16, actually. Physica getting cucked is pretty rad.

>>14697882
There is that moment where the battle 7 get separated from City 7 with millia coming back as a pilot for one episode around ep10-11 i think.

>>14697885
And then you get another bunch of episodes of Basara singing Planet Dance.

>>14697864
>Bogue bitched AGAIN. He does this for an entire series. Everything is too late.

We're way past the shark. Delta is good, Delta is magnificient. All hail Delta. All hail Delta.
Glory to Kawamori and the Macross-fags. Delta will stand as witness to the greatness of the Macross franchise for all eternity.

>>14697889
Glory to the wind.

Is it confirmed 26 episodes?

>>14697926
Yes. 2nd cour is a literal meme, it was supposed to be a movie.

>>14692131
I like the color scheme.

>>14697881

Poorly, as with most anime, because almost no-one thinks about how to end their shows.

>>14697881
Mikumo fucks the shota king into understanding, both sing a peace duet into the protoculture ruin they have to un-mind control everybody, peace treaty gets written. Freyja and Hayate move to Windmere and start an apple orchard.

>>14697970
This and some 1v1 dogfight between Keith and Hayate over the snowy mountains.

>>14690919

I think he dodged a bullet with not marrying Freyja.

Too much idol baggage

>>14697971

It's funny, that probably should be a big deal but I could care less if they never do it because there's no tension or rivalry there to bring to a climax. What would a duel between them even prove at this point?

Raw out?

>>14697977

Vengeance for Messer or whatever, I dunno.

Not like the show's cared.

>>14697977
Who knows. They killed Messet but left Keith alive. Why the fuck would you leave Keith alive.

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Seikan Hikou by Freyja: https://my.mixtape.moe/iwelcd.webm

Any webm request?

>>14697995
>https://my.mixtape.moe/iwelcd.webm
>Slide show
Why is this allowed?

>>14697987

That was the correct way to do things. However, to capitalise on that Hayate should have built up a rivalry with Keith, not shot him down with little effort on their next encounter and barely interacted with him ever again. They have no rivalry at this point, so I hope they're not going that route.

>>14697995

Can't say as I like her version of that song at all. I haven't heard Ranka's version in years, but it sounds better in my head, even if still not anything great. Their voices can't be that different, but I don't think Freyja's voice suits the song at all, so maybe they are.

>>14698001
>That was the correct way to do things.
For the love of god no. MC is not an ace, he's a fucking nugget.

>>14698008
>ven't heard Ranka's version in years,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAWUue_Cf9g

>>14697970
>Mikumo fucks the shota king into understanding, both sing a peace duet into the protoculture ruin they have to un-mind control everybody, peace treaty gets written. Freyja and Hayate move to Windmere and start an apple orchard.

Replace Mikumo with Freyja, and Freyja with Mirage and you've got the best fucked up ending to Delta anyone could hope for. Kawamori being Kawamori he'll go this shit route.
Shota king and apple girl on one side/ pilot boy and useless elf on the other. Everyone else kind of dies, ot goes back into oblivion or something...

>>14698008
She tried to sing as a child.

>>14698010

The point being he'd have to step up in the sudden absence of a protective mentor figure and handle the problem in his own, unique way. Which should have been with lots of gerwalk/battroid use, plenty of dancing and maybe the occasional song buff to pull his nuts out of the fire until he can fight on that level on his own near the end of the show. Instead Freyja just elevates him to that level in one huge leap and the whole thing is essentially forgotten about ever again. And Messer looks like a fumbling idiot for not being able to do the same despite repeated attempts, undercutting the establishment of his entire character.

>>14698053
tl;dr they wasted Messer on nothing. And dancing kills you.

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Windermerian can fly.

>>14698096
These suits are nothing special. They are not used that way IRL though.

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>>14692122
The Ride have done it correctly for Lucifer.

>>14698096
>why use helicopters and planes when we can jump off a mountain with a wingsuit

>>14698103
That looks great. And paintjow reminds me of Yellow Squadron.

>>14698105
Is there any infantry/vehicle transport in Macross? Something akin to LAATs from SW?

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>>14698103

>>14698108

>>14698112
Rad. Is it cyborg-only too?

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Mikumo is pretty good at hand-to-hand combat . (Slideshow scene though; Satelight can't animate for shit)

>>14698115
Only Bones are competent enough to animate propert hand-to-hand combat now.

>>14698115

Does Mikumo have a Rune on the left of her hair? Also, the freeze frame is probably meant to convey the speed she dealt with them at.

>>14698134
Why doesn't he actually kill them? He hates them with passion.

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>>14698130
Everyone can do it. They just didn't want to there.

>>14698145
No, i mean do it so well, it looks awesome.

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>>14693382
Sheryl's gas jet cluster skirt was added in the movies, it was never part of the series and was used as safety equipment during a concert, not to fly around in combat or everyday use to fight the rival boy band. >>14698115

>>14698096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRqnTODwvEA

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>>14698137
Fake rune

>>14698144
He can't disobey orders i guess.

>>14698144

I'm almost hoping it really is that he shot to kill and just inadvertently shot a perfect circle all around them. It'd be dumb, but it's what I expect at this point.

>>14698175
>inadvertently shot a perfect circle
Windies are not that good of a marksmans.

>>14698114
Well:'Prototype Cyborg-use Black Operations Variable Fighter'
It comes with cute loli thou.

>>14698181
Ah fuck. Cyborgs are faggots. Unless Omnissiah allows that.

>>14698178

Except Keith.

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>>14698189
It was an accident. He's local Jesus Yamato.

>>14698144
>Why doesn't he actually kill them? He hates them with passion.

Nothing in Delta makes sense. Bogue could just as well have said "I want to see you 3 dead, here take these beautiful flowers" and it would make as much sense as what was actually shown in the episode.

Does the fucking love confession about Hayate between Mirage and Freyja make a lick of sense ? Of course not, but at this point who the fuck cares ?

>>14698210
And Windies are the most incompetent soldiers ever, they can't take PoWs properly, NUNS are always here to provide mooks to die despite them having enough drones to rape Windermere in a day.

>>14698209

Yea, there's not a chance that shot was a fluke.

>>14698210

I haven't seen the episode, what happened that didn't make sense?

>>14698215

Nothing, anywhere, ever has suggested NUNs has that many drones. You thinking they should have isn't the same as them actually doing so.

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>good moment just before getting kidnapped
Cliche

>>14698230
> I haven't seen the episode, what happened that didn't make sense?
Bogue shoots main trio. Misses every shot. Does a perfect circle around them.
> Nothing, anywhere, ever has suggested NUNs has that many drones.
They have. They definetly have. They are pretty cheap to produce and require no pilot.

>>14692131
>Waaaaah opinions the post

>>14698232
It's a shounen/Shoujo trope.

>>14698232

> Mikumo is finally becoming a character
> It only took 22 episodes
> Let's kidnap her and make her a villain toy after two episodes of this

>>14698249
The became a moeblob. Not a character. And that Bogue speech was pure fucking trash.

>>14698243

I meant what happened with the confession, since that was what the quoted post mentioned. And cost doesn't mean they'll produce them, since the entire point is that the technology burned them once and has been heavily scaled back and stigmatised because of it.

>>14698232
This only made it much more painfully obvious that Mikumo is just a emotionally underdeveloped child that practically lived in a cage until now. All her SHINPI is just being an autistic kid who doesn't know any better.

>>14698255
> heavily scaled back and stigmatised because of it.
For public. And you don't have to put murderbot in charge of army of drones.

>>14698252

Her joking about her age and interacting with the other members of Walkure on a human level including practical jokes is not really the defining a moeblob. And it's certainly more character than she had before as a mysterious mystery from Mysterious City. I have no idea what Bogue said on the other hand.

>>14698258

No, entirely. Hence why Galaxy was looked down on for pursuing cyborg technology and why a private military contractor like SMS only got the authorization for a tiny number of limited drones. You don't have to put them in charge of other drones, but Sharon wasn't either. She took charge of them, which is the ever present danger, because all drones, no matter how autonomous have some method of communication with base.

>>14698275
> She took charge of them, which is the ever present danger, because all drones, no matter how autonomous have some method of communication with base.
The OG X-9 was a prototype directly linked to Macross City central mainframe. And again, you don't need to put murderbot in charge. NUN definetly have not only drones, but even more exotic weapons developed. We just don't know about any of them because past Plus NUNS exist to provide mooks for killing.

>>14698280

It doesn't matter how the original X-9 was linked because the simple fact is all autonomous drones of any kind are linked to base by some method of communication. And that that method can always be exploited. You thinking NUNs should have lots of drones and better weapons (which they do, like MDEs) isn't the same as them actually having those things.

>>14698286
They do have, there can be no galactic goverment with no ace in the hole for any situation. It's just past Plus NUNS exist to provide mooks to die.

>>14698292

So they have them because you say so despite previous evidence they don't? And they do have ace in the holes, including dimension eaters and their cousins MDEs, and are already developing fold wave defences. Those are in their infancy, but the fact they had them at all after only a few weeks or months is impressive. They also have ISC so humans can out fly Ghosts and make them redundant in all but this one circumstance. Which they had no reason to figure was a real worry.

>>14698304
>they don't use Ghosts because i say so
Okay. Anyway, no one cares about NUNS in any Macross past Plus so we don't know whatever they made since 2040.

>>14698310

Yea, it's not because I say so. It's because the franchise says so, including Plus, Frontier and Delta. No entry has ever said they have lots of them. Which leaves only you saying it. Which is the difference. I can cite things in show saying they're deployed in limited amounts and their development is stunted. You can't cite anything saying NUNs have them in mass production.

>>14698324
>we don't know shit about NUNS since Plus
>but yea, they did not develop any weapons since then
O-kay.

>>14698353

Except we do know things about them. Not knowing a lot isn't the same thing as not knowing anything. We see NUNs in 7, Luca worked for them in Frontier, and Alto did for a few episodes too. They've appeared in Delta as well. Hence why I can quote information about them directly from the shows. And one of the strands we can take from that is limited development and deployment of drones.

>>14698369
In 7/Frontier/Delta the only thing they have actually done was supplying mooks. And that last battle from Frontier. I am talking about NUNS central command mostly.

>>14698371

We've never seen central command. Even in plus we only saw the command on Eden if I recall. And in SDF we saw NUG, not NUNs. We have seen pilots fly for them though, including in Frontier. Including the main cast. And we've seen people like Max who work for them. And people who interact with or represent them. And we can draw conclusions from that. Which supplies the idea they don't use drones at all in 7 or Delta, and in very limited supply and with limited abilities in Frontier. And that the one colony that used them more was socially stigmatised directly for doing so. Now name something that reflects the idea they have them?

>>14698390
We actually saw guys from central comand in Plus. Mind controlled by Sharon no less. And no one fucking knows what NUNS are doing. The only work they were doing in 7/Frontier/Delta is being punching bags for antagonists.

>>14698401

We saw ships being controlled by her and commanders, but I don't believe it's ever specified they were central command. And even if they were, they didn't actually do anything and Isamu had to defy them to defeat something they didn't recognise, meaning they were basically just mooks. And they didn't actually provide any kind of information about Nuns do. We can still draw information from their role though, in Plus and in further entries.

Or are you denying the role of drones in Frontier and Delta, the stigma towards that technology for Galaxy, the stunted abilities of drones in Frontier, that Alto worked for NUNs and so on?

>>14698414
Alto worked for Frontier fleet. Every colony fleet has a high degree of autonomy. No one knows what the fuck central command is doing. If it ever exists.

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>>14690341
"""Preview""" is literally screenshots of a bunch of anime girls.

It's going to be another slow one, boys.

>>14698432
And you're right.

>>14698432
>>14698441
But things are actually happening. It's definitely not an episode 21.

>>14698443
They showed VF-22 aka the last plane and Mikumo was kidnapped. And Bogue went from irrelevant shitter to the most annoying charater in Delta. That's pretty fucking bad, considering there's 3 episodes left.

>>14698420

And the Fronteir fleet was part of NUNs. Also, the entire point of the Ghost project in Plus was that the Ghost would replace VFs as the mainline Colony weapons platform. Which it never has. We've also never seen it on any special forces missions, which we have seen a couple of across various TV animations. Including 7 and Delta. Like the special mission Max and Fire Bomber flew to blow up Gepelnitch's Spirita Farm. And Hayate's fathers special mission. Even the one Colony that went against social conventions didn't do much with them and instead looked in to cyborgs like Grace and Brera.

We don't need to see the commanders of NUNs directly talk about the role of drones to infer something about their role in Macross, even for special forces.

>>14698446
Mikumo's final conflict was teased with Makina telling her to experience things other than singing, HayaFreMira were captured, Roid is going to use Mikumo as the star singer for the Protoculture ship instead of Heinz.

>>14698449
We also don't know what the fuck higher-ups are thinking. It's colony/colony/provincial shithole. We don't know what NUNS were developing for these 27 years sans YF-24 and ISC.
>>14698455
Everything sans Mikumo becoming a little more human was irrelevant. And why didn't they throw main trio into the jail. For some interrogation.

>>14698470

We're not talking about what the daily lives of NUNs command are or the exact lines of every bit of research they're authorising - we're talking about what NUNs is doing with drones. And if they don't even use them on special forces missions and are afraid to use them in general because of social stigma then we can infer they haven't done much with them. Especially when none of the Colonys we do see use them except in limited capacities. Even if higher ups want to use them, they're obviously not doing much with them since they never use them, not even on black ops stuff.

What you're proposing is that maybe they could be and we're just not seeing any mention of it at all and none of the stuff we do so, including black ops missions have any implication of what the command are doing. Which is worthless conjecture. Hence, why I said it's just because you say so, rather than because the franchise says so as per drones being limited in several entries like I'm saying.

>Roid turn his back on Windemerian
>Mikumo is going nut becoming a final boss with Roid
>Keith and co will join Delta squad
>Keith is the one who will kill Roid
>You're both my wings ending for the triangle
Called it.

>>14698498
Ah, well, that was obvious. Delta is nothing new. Except for idols on the battlefield.
>>14698489
We don't know shit about the lore because no one bothered to explain anything in anime or supplemental material. Except some mecha info about SV series of variable fighters.

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>>14698498
and MIkumo will sing DYRL when she will be in that thing inside the ruin.

>>14698498
>Aerial Knights who were hellbent on killing Delta Squad suddenly joins them out of nowhere

When you know when the writing hit rock bottom.

I've never seen a team up ending as forced and contrived as this.

>>14698537
It looks like it since episode 20 because of Keith & Roid relationship.

I couldn't care less about Bogue' sisters being killed because of that dimensional weapon. He's just too annoying and not developped as a character. He is just there.

>>14698537
You forgot
>Bogue who absolutely HATED earthlings and Delta in particular spares them.

>>14698513

Oh good, then there is no high command or NUNs. Or Sharon. Or any TV anime apparently. Just some contextless mechs.

>>14698565
Bogue love Walkire, especially Reina.

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Wasted potential

>>14698582
Maybe in your imagination. So far he tried to ram his jet into walkure. He should be dead already, instead we got him bitching AGAIN. Now for a whole minute or so.

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>>14698589
Not in my imagination. He just can't say it.

>>14698599
>99
A SIGN. WE MUST KILL BOGUE.

>>14698565
>didn't actually watch the episode
Bogue was about to stab Hayate with his sword before Herman stopped him

>>14698607
I mean killing by shooting the damn beam vulcan. Like an actual soldier.

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>>14697881

>>14698609
Mastah Herman was stopping him there too. He was just shooting cause he's mad.

>>14698623
He could have killed them and no one would care. Bogue is an epitome of shitty writing. He spent 23 episodes bitching about walkure/earthling/delta/whatever and killed no one.

>>14698623
He always mad. The whole point of Bogue was to be a mad character.

I think after you get kicked off your planet its time to reopen the X9 factory.

>>14698636
You need blueprints. Where do you get blueprints?

>>14698640

Internet.

>>14698647
Ghosts are rightful NUNS property donutsteel.

>>14698636

The only X-9 factory was probably on Earth.

>>14698677
Galaxy had one. There's probably some more on NUNS military outposts. Too bad the setting is barely used.

>>14698680

Those weren't X-9s, and were mostly remotely operated from Galaxy itself. They could operate without remote instruction, but normally didn't and I think that functionality was limited to one of the upgrades.

>>14698680
>>14698677
X-9 was forbidden due to Sharon Apple incident. They literally just finished developing it in Macross Plus so it probably came out of an R&D lab as opposed to a factory. There was only the one unit in Macross Plus, it was unlikely to have already been mass produced so factories didn't exist yet. Galaxy's version is the V-9, which is based on X-9 but not exactly the same. The generic Ghost drone deployed by Frontier and other NUNS forces began mass production in 2045, so factories for those exist but they have limited programming and will almost never be deployed with AI and performance limiters unlocked.

>>14698714
> Those weren't X-9
Same base airframe. Modified to fit one big beam gun instead of 4 smaller ones.

>>14698723
> deployed with AI and performance limiters unlocked.
We don't know. Careful programming is still a thing. Machines do not go haywire just because.

>>14698725

Yes, but they aren't X-9s and the differnce is in more than their armament - it's in the programming and how limited their autonomy is. Some of them don't even have any and are instead just remotely operated.

>>14698730

Luca unlocks his Ghosts in Frontier specifically to allow them greater freedom to act against the Vajra. The existence of those locks is itself confirmation they're limited.

>>14698744
> The existence of those locks is itself confirmation they're limited.
Considering he made custom OS for his Ghosts, we don't know.

What is your favourite Fire Bomber track

>>14698746

He didn't install the locks though, else he wouldn't have had to be sneaky about unlocking them. Unless you're proposing that he was trying to hide unlocking them from himself.

>>14698730
what are you talking about?

sharon apple was an actual AI and the ghost was intended to be autonomous, they were both given that plot device computer chip that gave them self-preservation tendencies that proved to be the thing that pushed them out of control

on the other hand. we're told from sources like macross chronicle and the show itself that the ghosts that frontier fleet deploys have locks in place (michel has to unlock his drones in order to allow full performance when fighting the galaxy fleet drones) and that under electronic jamming and other ECM, the drones suffer and have to rely on limited programming, as well as lacking the ability to adapt to new situations

also it's highly unlikely that the NUNS drones have the same computer chip that gave sharon and the X-9 new self-preservation "feelings".

>>14698753
He wrote OS from scratch. These locks were certainly made by him.

>>14698757

So you are proposing that he didn't want himself to find out that he'd unlocked the locks that he himself created? Alright then.

>>14698767
He never found out about the locks. He made them himself.

>>14698778

Yea, he did. He unlocked his Ghosts in Frontier's finale.

>>14698778
>>14698757
>>14698746
where is proof that it was custom OS? I cannot find anything mentioning that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG8rLh8arSo

>>14698812

Sheryl > Ranka

>>14698832
Ranka was still young.

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>>14698778

http://deculture.wikia.com/wiki/Judah_System

>>14698310
>don't know whatever they made since 2040
Well, YF-24 and whole Evolution was this little project they've done in the meantime.
Remember that Messiah was pretty much monkey model of original design - Lucifer cheated with four engines and Durandal was one off hackjob. Since then we saw budget conscious fleets like Frontier or really poor regions of colonised space like in Delta. We haven't seen any of 'main' NUNS forces really and last time it was Isamu in VF-11.
>>14698353
Again, The Ride, Frontier novels, VF Files.
>>14698401
>And no one fucking knows what NUNS are doing
Frontlines. Fighting millions of Zentradi.
>>14698449
>Which it never has.
Partially because of Sharon and partially because during trails high end valks were able to actually beat drones, barely. With introduction of ISC and now fold hax, unmaned platform has really lost it's main edge.

>>14699047

Drones should still have a fairly major advantage in reaction time, multi-tasking, aim and a few other areas, but yea, once NUNs developed ISC they prettyuch forgot about drones and made them obsolete.

>>14699047

Messiah isn't really a monkey model of the Evolution, since while Shinsei Industries may have fucked with the schematics they sent out to colony fleets, the fleets could develop successor units based on those schematics however they liked. Which means the VF-25 or VF-27 may improve on the VF-24 in some ways for all we know.

>>14698725
What about engines, flight systems, avionics, AI core or whatever it's used? Luca's V-9's were working in local network at least until unshackled, Galaxy used them as cannon fodder and they were doing okay against Nightmares, while VF-25 plowed through their defenses rather easily.
>>14699141
Oh I agree with you in regard that Evolution derivatives < which include VF-30 and Siegfrieds> are optimized and upgraded.
I need to reread translated files, this whole 'Evolution is superior' is something I've read last week on /m/.
>may improve on the VF-24
Lots and lots of fold quartz for one.
>>14699103
And VF's are flying with advanced AI on board anyway, which does most of that stuff for pilot anyway - targeting is mostly automated, based on how missiles lock in and how gunpods target particular parts of fuselage.
I would say that by this point in timeline drones greatest advantage over modern valkyries is price. They are cheaper to manufacture, maintenance isn't as time consuming, airframe is simpler, as it's non transformable - I dimly recall that even older VF's are reaaaally expensive, which in turn explains why even obsolete Nightmares are still in use.
What surprises me is why nobody is doing what Luca did - one plane with human operator controls swarm of drones locally - sure, against Windermere it might not be best idea with their fancy jamming but it is still cheapest way, next to strapping Ghost to VF, Zero style, of increasing fleet capabilities.

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what the fuck, 40 god damn episodes and Basara casually drops Try Again out of fucking nowhere.

This really pisses me off

>>14699230
?

>>14699265
40 episodes of TOTSUGEKI LOVE HEART SEVENTH MOON and PLANET DANCE, and then he drops the dopest song ever and there is 0 build up to it

>>14699307
Power to the Dream was even more shocking

>>14699189

I wouldn't have thought there was enough information on the Evolution to make a call on whether it was superior or not. I'd imagine it probably is just based on the fact Earth almost assuredly has the best tech, but it's a supposition based on inference and no actual evidence.

I also think it's a little unfair to characterize the VF-27 as cheating or the YF-29 as a one off hackjob, since the VF-27 was simply aiming for different performance than the Messiah and was outfitted as necessary to achieve that, while the Durandal was always meant to be mass produced as a Messiah successor if I recall. The one Alto flew was certainly a one off hackjob made from the remains of his Messiah due to a rush, but it was based on plans for something already in the works and just not complete yet. His one exceeded performance expectations, but there's still a VF-29 of some kind in the works that's more standardized than the one he flew.

Bogue needs that hug. Bogue is super conflicted.

>>14693988
Alto wasn't indecisive. He was autistic. He was telling what he wanted when Sheryl shut him up. In case of Hayate and Freyja, they are both busy with important shit to pursue a relationship right now. But everyone, including Mirage, knows they are in love.

>>14700070
>busy with important shit to pursue a relationship
>no winner or loser
Feel good triangle my ass.

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So have they retconned these guys to be made of Fold Quartz/Fold Carbon yet?

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>>14698324

>>14698230

The Frontier fleet had [;enty of NUNS drones in the first episode, they were the first units to encounter the Vajra; but they proved completely ineffective due to jamming. On the CIC screens you see dozens of AIF-7 flights zooming around. I'd wager they have hundreds of the things, maybe thousands fleet-wide. And why not? They're cheap, they don't get tired, perfect for long range patrols around a fleet.

From that point, the only time you saw them being used was via short-range drone control ships, which I assume makes them somewhat more resilient to the Vajra's jamming.

>>14701256

Also the whole drone argument is reaching critical autism; it reminds me of the 'odd numbered colony fleets' thread on MW that went in circles for like 10 pages.

>>14699047
There were 2 Durandal prototypes. Only one was a hackjob. The VF-27 is based off the original prototype.

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>>14701641
By hackjob I've meant both Alto's being spare parts kitbash and original VF-29 being an ungodly mix of Messiah and Lucifer. It is not a pretty plane. It reminds me of ARX-8 - both are stupidly overpowered designs made with only performance in mind. Those are not bad mecha in any regard - they are just clusterfucks.
>>14701272
Well, considering IRL direction of aerial combat, can one be suprised?

>restored VF-22 sitting in a museum

hayate better jack it

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>>14701256

> dozens

There's 16 of them, not dozens. 4 flights of 4. And they're operating under remote control from the Frontier itself, which is why when they're jammed a few of them just smash in to each other and the rest are shot down without resistance. There was also a reconnaissance VF, an RVF-171 controlling a few that was the first target of the attacking Vajra.

The Drones they do have act as patrol units following simple pre-programmed paths and first defense waves, to take out anything that's simple enough and even then they're monitored and/or controlled. They don't have the AI to enact complex attack patterns or take out anything that uses them and rely instead on instruction and/or remote control for anything complex. Which is why I mentioned stunted development as well as limited deployment.

>>14701934

Is there even pictures or information of any kind on the original planned YF-29 rather than the one Alto flew that Luca and LAI cobbled together on the hop for him?

>>14702267

Redwolf you are autistic and every one of your hypothesis is completely unsubstantiated. Please go back to MW, this is not he place for you.

>>14702287

Anon, I have no idea who Redwolf is, nor would I even know off MW if you hadn't mentioned it. Nor is taking a screencap of something from the episode itself and then pointing out subsequent events unsubstantiated. If you don't like something being posted I'd suggest you leave instead.

>>14702314

you're using the same retard logic.

By your logic, Frontier only has about 12 VF-171's and they replenish the fleet every time they get blown up, because we only see 12 on screen at any given time.

>>14702267
>Is there even pictures or information
I've seen anons citing Chronicle and translated VF-Files and Frontier novels as source. I think it was confirmed by models that production version of Durandal is superior, no hard numbers thou.

>>14702335
>>14702267
>>14701256
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>>14699047
>>14702287
>>14702335
>>14702314

Right from the compendium;

"In many immigration fleets, they active as the primary air force. "

http://macross.anime.net/wiki/AIF-7S_Ghost

2 seconds of googling could have saved you retards a lot of typing.