Why was unicorn so shit ?

(You)

>>14676656
Are you implying that that's a contrarian baity opinion on this board ?

>>14676658
No, which is exactly why he gave you a (You). It's the one circlejerk opinion that /m/ holds that you won't find anywhere else. Hell, /m/'s most disliked shows go in direct relation with how popular they are outside of this site.
Unicorn is largely hailed as the best UC Gundam series by most fans, casual or not. Therefore, we here at /m/, must call it the worst series ever, along with SEED (which, surprise surprise, is also very popular outside of /m/).

>>14676651
It's really not though.

I liked it. It was not the best thing ever, but I was entertained.

I guess I have grown out of that stage that the OP is in, where you stay on your computer all day, going to different boards starting "Why was ________ so shit" threads all the time.

There are shades of grey, When you are 16-24 years old, everything is "ZOMG best evar" or "This is shit". When you get older you realize how pathetic that mindset is.

It's... ok. The story and most of the characters are bland and inoffensive, but not 'shit' outside of I guess Angelo. By the same token, though, few of them are worth writing home about either.

'Bland and inoffensive' sums up Unicorn pretty well outside of the music and mecha porn.

>>14676665
I liked Seed's HG rereleases.

>>14676665
I've never heard anyone anywhere say Unicorn is the best. I've heard a million times that it's the best looking, but most people seem to agree the story is retarded.

>>14676651
I just wish the OVA killed off more side characters like the Novel version. Like the Head Engineer and one of the Tri-Stars

It's canonized fanfiction by someone who openly admitted he didn't know jack shit about Universal Century.

>>14676743
I've definitely seen people say it. Quality of animation and quantity of "epic" moments is what sells a show to a lot of anime fans.

>>14676651
It's good. Definitely worth watching at least for the fights. My only problems with it were that a lot of the characters were average and forgettable, and a lot of the dialogue could've been cut.
The story gets pretty silly in the end, but that can be said about a lot of gundam series. I was pretty much used to it at that point.

>>14677545
Maybe before the last episode.

>>14676651
because it was literally LITERALLY "The Da Vinci Code: IN SPACE"

>>14677539
source? i'd love to read this.

>>14676651

The plot was kind of stupid, and it crosses the line from references and homages to earlier UC plot points into just blatantly stealing them.

Its not a great sign when your Char clone is a literal clone of Char. That's just taking a criticism and mistaking it for encouragement.

On top of that the Unicorn itself is basically walking bullshitium where things just happen around it for space magic reasons, and people give the opinions of Banagher waaaaaaaay too much weight for what is clearly an emotional and completely inexperienced child.

"I have been fighting the federation with acts of terrorism for decades, but now that THIS KID is telling me that war is bad... really makes you think, you know?"

>>14676726
The HG's weren't bad, but they could've been way better

>>14677671
Fuck off, Raikoh.

>>14677712
Literally who?

>>14677716
UC's very own WackyModder84

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>>14677718

... and that is?

>>14677718
Not him but why do you people know about these fags who don't even come to 4chan.

>>14677731
Because unlike Wacky, he's smart enough to stay anon.

>>14677712
>>14677716
>>14677718
Not him but oh fucking christ, I know who he's talking about.

http://raikourambling.blogspot.com/2014/05/over-rainbow-out-of-their-minds.html

>>14677737
If he stays anon, how would you know his name.

>>14677748
>>14677744

>>14677748
He's not very good at being anon.

>>14677744
I don't agree with everything he says becauses he misses some points. But there's no denying that the Unicorn is OP as fuck, and that the plot was ridiculous.
And this coming from a guy who loves Awakening of the Trailblazer.

>>14677761
>>14677756
>>14677744
>Going onto blogspots that aren't strictly about gundam/gunpla news.

>>14677771
To be fair, the RX-0 line is so chock full of a poorly understood material that permits its pilot's will to manifest in physical form that it's inevitably going to make reality shit itself in both abstract or concrete ways.


I don't think Unicorn would be Unicorn without Unicorn going mini-Ideon for a moment at the end.

>>14677817

In a way, Unicorn is the logical end result of the space magic nonsense that UC has been building up for a while. Newtype powers have always been a crutch to enable whatever plot point the writers needs to happen that given episode without any need for a real explanation or consistency, and CCA made the mistake of giving them an explicit power boost into "I literally don't have to explain any of this shit, the Psychoframe is onscreen".

It wouldn't be a proper UC story anymore if it didn't end with poorly explained and previously unforeshadowed space miracles something something human possibility.

>>14676651
because The Unicorn was protected by Plot Armor

instead of giving the MC the handicap of "OH SHIT HOW THE FUCK DO WE EVEN REPAIR A GUNDAM MADE ENTIRELY OUT OF PSYCHO FRAME" they instead made it so it never gets damaged

>>14677867
Where did they keep getting new shields for the thing? I think it was mentioned, but I forget.

>>14677874

Why is the Beam Magnum exclusive to the Unicorn? Surely, given that the Unicorn can use the traditional mobilesuit weapons just fine, the Beam Weapon should be able to be used by any other mobilesuit. Its just a gun, after all, and while the Unicorn had a lot of bullshit upgrades I don't think its power supply was anything noteworthy.

>>14677888
Because it's an incredably wasteful weapon that blows through pretty much an entire E-pack with every shot and even with it carrying several chained together you still only get like 6-9 shots before needing to slot in another chain of e-packs.

And all for an excessively strong shot when a normal beam rifle gets like 6-9 shots per e-pack and each shot is typically enough to kill an ms on its own. Not to mention the beam magnum's slow fire rate.

>>14676651
SEED in the UC with better animation. Said better animation is enough to make people forget problems with it.

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>>14678011

>>14677957
That doesn't explain why they equipped it to the Unicorn at all though. Why does Unicorn in particular have it, when there's nothing special about its reactor and any other mobile suit could use it just as well?

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It's not the greatest Gundam series ever, but it's not total shit either. I thought the characters were pretty bland outside of the usual Gundam character autism and the story was pretty dumb, but it was watchable at the very least.

Its soundtrack is also pretty much Sawano's magnum opus (which is why he basically emulated it for everything afterward) and it's home to a couple of my all-time favorite MS designs, particularly the Kshatriya.

>>14676651
Because you didn't pay attention.

>>14677888
>the Beam Weapon should be able to be used by any other mobilesuit. Its just a gun, after all,
You mean like when Riddhe snatched it out of the Unicorn's hand with his Delta and fired it? It IS usable by any other mobile suit.

>>14678023
The beam magnum produces a fierce amount of recoil that renders it impractical, though technically not impossible, to wield for other mobile suits, such as when the Delta Plus used it to slag the Shamblo.

>>14678060
>>14678074

It still feels like they gave the Unicorn a ridiculously powerful rifle just for the sake of giving it a ridiculously powerful rifle. For an automated scavenger hunt machine, they sure went out of their way to make sure that the Unicorn was the most unnecessarily deadly thing in space for... reasons, I guess?

>>14678350
It was designed to fuck up newtype-use machines, the scavenger hunt mode is Vista Foundation trolling at its finest but the RX-0 was built to hunt down and slaughter newtypes.

Besides, Unicorn itself was under armed compared to Banshee. In fact Unicorn is vanilla as fuck armamentswise, and its FA loadout is literally an improvised hackjob of slapping as much gear as possible to the frame to allow it longterm combat endurance capabilities. It's for the most part just an homage to the original 78-2, right down to having the strongest gun in the firefight relative to its competition.

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>>14678383
the Armed Armors were always part of the Unicorn series' loadout, they were just manufactured by Anaheim later and were sent to the Earth for testing on unit 02 and 03 while unit 01 had a more conventional loadout when the Vist Foundation was testing it.

>>14678383
>loadout is literally an improvised hackjob of slapping as much gear as possible to the frame
This makes me want to build an RX-0DV Unicorn Divider

>>14677614
actually, its more Roman Holiday with Audrey Hepburn in SPACE....

>>14678350
it's also a parallel to the RX-78 having the strongest fuckpowerful weapon when it was first deployed

and the fight between sinanju and unicorn had the more experienced pilot going "power doesn't matter if you can't hit me"

etc, etc

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the FA Unicorn also pretty much gives homage to the old DX Gattai Chokogin set RX 78-2 Gundam by Clover

>>14678350
>It still feels like they gave the Unicorn a ridiculously powerful rifle just for the sake of giving it a ridiculously powerful rifle.

Because that's exactly what they did. Unicorn was built from bleeding edge technology with basically no expensive spared. The Rx-0 series were basically the GP series of their time.

Newtype bullshit is fine, it has always been in UC and it serves its own purpose.

Charter bullshit IS NOT okay, it's clearly Zeonwank and by extension is self-righteous Japmonkey wank.

Someone said Unicorn is UC for SEEDfags and that is revoltingly accurate.

>>14678857
Here's that (You) you're fishing for.

The first two episodes were fucking GOAT then it trailed off.

>Unicorn is shit
The "do i fit in yet guys xD" starter pack.

>>14676651
cause pilot was a dumb kid

Insipid westernshit inspired soundtrack. If you gave it a soundtrack akin to Macross, it would be so much better than bland and uninspired westernshit that Unicorn tries to use and the tone would be so much better and more virile than the drab and "muh serious robot show" that Unicorn falsely masquerades as.

>>14679682
Proving right everyone, thanks.

Because it's an anniversary roller coaster ride that takes itself too seriously.

Just about the only thing it managed to do that wasn't just a "hey remember when Amuro/Kamille/Judau did that well here's Banagher doing that exact same thing with none of the build up or character development" moment was create the only logical Zeon antagonist of the franchise that didn't have a hard on for dropping rocks and colonies on Earth or give a shit about newtype theory.

>>14678821
It's just a reference to the RX-78 having a battle ship class beam rifle.

Just like the super saber scene is just a reference to Kamille's super beam saber moment.

Everything about Unicorn is just taking iconic moments and doing it over again. Hence why the novels originally had Riddhe and Banagher do the Gundam last shooting pose and why Neo-Zeong exists even though it makes no sense for it to exist.

They threw in a loose plot that doesn't explain anything just to get from moment to moment.

Even Industrial 7 existing for the UC project is taken from Side 7 existing for Project V with the secret vist testing facilities being in the colony builder just like the Federation test facilities being in the colony builder.

>>14679682
The soundtrack was literally perfect. 3 years later and I still listen to most of the songs on a regular basis and still get excited to hear them

>>14676651

My main complaint is that the plot feels very unnecessary. Like, Unicorn is one of those stories that become really stupid when you think about it.

Vist has been sitting on Laplace's Box for about a century. He didn't do anything during the OYW. He didn't try to contact Char or Amuro, either of whom would clearly have taken the Box's message to heart. Instead, he basically decides to do nothing.

Now the world is (mostly) peaceful - Banagher and his friends have grown up, inexplicably, never knowing what war means - he decides to hand over the key to the Box to Space ISIS because possibility.

Now, Vist doesn't really want to hand over the Box. What he really wants is for someone with a boundless faith in humanity, a true innocent, to pilot the Unicorn Gundam and bring about something trippy and universal. Basically, he wants a new Amuro Ray, a Kamille, a Judau, to just fall into the cockpit. He's effectively saying 'God will provide'.

But he cheats, because his own grandson is modified to be the ultimate Newtype/the Unicorn's ideal pilot! That's like creating a prophecy YOU YOURSELF fulfill. It's bullshit, basically.

Then Banagher's behavior is equally inexplicable. Like, clearly the Unicorn's pilot is supposed to be a protagonist, but Banagher doesn't really believe in anything. He doesn't even seem to particularly believe that war is bad. He's so easily swayed, he has basically no personality at all. Like, he's all chummy with whomever he ends up being captured by at the moment.

It all felt so unnecessary, basically. This is particularly evident because Vist is on the same colony Banagher left at the beginning of the series.

They basically walked in one giant circle.

(Also, the Banshee is unnecessary. The Banshee's supposed to be an evil Unicorn, but Riddhe isn't really symbolic of anything. He's just a bit crazy then he stops being a dick. And he dislikes Banagher because he's jealous, basically. Truly the stuff epic rivalries are made of.)

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>>14676651

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>>14676651
Because it combined the two most horrid things the gundam franchise has to offer - Newtype hax and preachy whiny little bitch of a main character.

>>14680601
>01/06/16

Mostly unrelated, but what has been with the drop in posting quality this past year? Spelling and grammar have been getting worse for a good while, but this past year it feels like the drop has been extra noticable. It feels like every other post can't go three words without a spelling mistake, incorrect conjugation, or ommited word now.

>>14680652
I'll owe up to whatever fraction I've contributed to: mobile phones have a long way to go in the keyboard input and predictive text department. My phone in particular sometimes likes to delete chunks of a word roughly once a week whenever I use the double-space shortcut for typing a period mark.

I'm thinking of disabling autocorrect so that I don't have to deal with my phone trying to make me look like a grade school dropout.

>>14680652
Fuck grammar
and fuck you

>>14680601
We need more Plinket style reviews for /m/echa anime.

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>>14676651
Good:
>Mook fights.
>Good worldbuilding/scene setting in the background. (Zeon slums, Industrial 7, Banana's classroom, etc.)
>Mech designs (outside of the NT-D activated Unicorn/Banshee).
>Scenes where younger characters talk to older ones about their personal philosophy and views on the world around them.
>Full Frontal, despite being boring, is the most believable and non-insane Zeon antagonist. (at least until the last episode).

Bad:
>Most egregious Newtype hax in UC.
>Almost everyone is retarded for no reason. Common sense is constantly thrown out for convenience's sake.
>Every scene that attempts to portray an extreme emotion is cheesy and hamfisted.
>Mineva is the worst 'Peace Princess' in the series, and she inevitably ends up looking like an asshole for ignoring the very real, very pressing concerns of the Feddies/Spacenoids.
>Laplace's Box is a dumb macguffin during the series and an even dumber one once the contents are revealed. "If humanity evolves in space we'll give them autonomy!" is a jaw-droppingly stupid thing to put on a legal document.
>Almost nothing in the last episode had to happen. Riddhe wilds out for no reason, Full Frontal becomes nihilistic for no reason (He can achieve his goals just as easily if the contents of the box were common knowledge), and opening the box is more likely to cause a war than FF's plan, even though Mineva still hate him for it.

>>14683141
Laplace box was deep.
>Laplace transforms are a math thing
>Unicorn gundam transforms
It's no coincidence

Unicorn is shit for the most pary, but it had some good fights (basically the ones where the Unicorn/Banshee weren't involved in) and bringing back the puru clones and Mineva tied up some plot threads that had been left hanging for decades. I also like how they brought the Nahel Argama back.

So as a sequel to ZZ it's not bad, but Banana, the Unicorn/Banshee, the dialogue, the Sleeves, and the whole idea of Laplace's Box are all shit.

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>>14683215
They even brought back a Pegasus Carrier from 0080 and 0083.

Love it or hate it, Unicorn is canon now

Like, really canon as fuck

Hell, they even made some sort of mockumentary about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh8vEvORPzY

>>14683276
Doesn't matter. 0083 is canon and that's a piece of shit too.

Like all UC side story OVAs the story is shit but the animation and soundtrack is nice.

>>14683279
>Doesn't matter. 0083 is canon and that's a piece of shit too.
fuck out of here gato

>>14683283
Tough shit, 0083 was horrible for anything other than mech fights.

And Gato loves 0083 since it's nonstop Zeon wank.

>>14683288
wtf how was it horrible?
interesting designs
cima
great music
plot wasn't retarded

>>14683311
>plot wasn't retarded

What? The whole 'Titans were behind everything!' plot if 0083 was just as retarded as the Laplace Box.

>>14683279
>0083 is canon and that's a piece of shit too.
What a hot head

>>14683315
0083's biggest flaws were the huuuuuge lapses in logic from the characters. (the /m/ chart says behind-the-scenes quarreling is the reason everyone is so inconsistent and stupid.)

Also don't worry anon, /m/ is UC apologist central.

Literally the only problem with Unicorn is the vagueness of Full Frontal's origins. "Read the novels" is a bullshit retort and I find it hard to believe anyone really thinks this is a good defense.

Other than that, I have never heard a good excuse for why Unicorn is shit. I keep hearing about how "dumb" it is, but all their examples can be compared to something equally or more dumb and illogical that happened earlier in UC.

I mean you know Unicorn follows the events of ZZ, right? Everything that happened in ZZ canonically happened before Unicorn. How can you honestly bitch about Unicorn being dumb when you've watched the rest.

Here's some UC nonsense from the top of my head:
>The Titans, an anti-Zeon force allies with Zeon because lol cool why not, power I guess
>A magical letter T in space glows and makes everyone friends
>Quess barrel rolls through space without a helmet
>Rosamie
>The ghosts of women help Kamille kill a guy with a spaceship
>Glemy Toto
>giant newtype Judau

I mean Unicorn is not a perfect masterpiece but 100 weird or dumb things happened in UC before it came along and I don't know why everyone suddenly expects any different.
And nothing changes the fact that it's actually Unicorn that managed to express Tomino's vague as fuck ideas about war and Newtypes with some clarity, something that UC had failed to do for literally decades.

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>it takes itself too seriously!
>it's dumb and fanfictiony and doesn't take UC seriously!

>>14683405
> taking umbrage with the Titans allying with Haman's Zeon

They lost the civil war and allied with the only strong fighting force around in order to keep their ambitions alive of taking over the Federation. How is that stupid? That shit happens all the time.

The whole "anti-zeon" shit was a pretense from the start of Zeta.

Also lets face it, the only actual ridiculous things you posted are the psychoframe, and Judau and Kamille's power ups.

Quess' trip through space isn't even unrealistic. Humans have survived unprotected longer in a vacuum in real life.

If she were in direct sunlight then she would have developed cancer, sure, but everything else she did was feasible. People don't instantly explode or suffocate in a vacuum.

>>14683567
The point is that those things are silly but didn't ruin UC. But apparently Unicorn ruins UC somehow.

Your post is a perfect example of how /m/ treats classic UC to Unicorn. Everything in the past is forgivable, can be dismissed as "Tomino fun" or "troubled production" or "part of the charm" or whatever, but if Unicorn does anything wrong it's total shit and raped your mothers.

You and I both know that if the Quess space roll happened in Unicorn and not CCA everyone would be using it as a reason for Unicorn being shit.

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Another thing people don't facepalm at enough is that ECOAS is pretty much the Titans. Political bodies in Gundam are all pants-on-head retarded for no reason.

>>14683405
I shit on Zeta/ZZ all the time. They abandon way too much of what makes 0079 special and are "Real Robot" shows in name only.

>It's another Char clone series

Just bring him and Amuro back lol

>>14683611
This. Everything other than 0079 is dogshit. But it can be entertaining dogshit.
And Unicorn is entertaining. It's a hell of a lot better than ZZ and some of Zetas duller arcs. And it's better than Stardust Memory and MS08th Team. (Which is actually pretty shit aside from the infamous Gouf fight)

I just legitimately cannot understand the extreme hate for Unicorn. Especially if you've watched the other UC shows.

>>14683611
They're a titans group actually doing its damn job and not formed just to have an excuse for a cool kids club.

>>14683628
Well. they did use the Nahel Argama to blow up an asteroid colony. That's kinda evil, man

>>14683625
I found Unicorns political aspect to jar heavily with the recurring political aspects of the UC timeline.

I just cannot believe the importance that an incredibly inconvenient promise is given. I also cannot believe that Mineva compared Full Frontal to Char and her takeaway was "At least the man who legitmately tried and almost succeeded in destorying the Earth had passion".

>>14676651
Its basically an OVA version of CCA broken up into 6 or 7 episodes. Banagher brings nothing to the table as a character yet it supposed to be an expy to Amuro and Kamille. He has repeated arguments, yelling matches, and fights with other characters like Daguva and and Zinnerman or even Full Frontal and doesn't actually explain what his stance or points are only that theirs are "wrong", empathetically and repeatedly. Some people might shake their head but the general lack of substance in Unicorn on top of the bland and 1-dimensional protagonist give it all the trademarks of being equitable with Kira in SEED-Destiny forcing his views on others in the same way.

Visual animation, production values, and music aside, it was a pretty boring "conclusion" to follow up CCA with. And I don't even want to get into how awful characters like Mineva were on top of that.

>>14683611
There is literally nothing wrong with the idea of the Titans. Stardust, Dublin and Lhasa show that you need to keep those Zeon scum down. The only problem with the Titans was that Jamitov deliberately staffing them with psychopaths and assholes because he was a closet Zeek and wanted to trigger a civil war.

>>14683638
It was outright stated that they only targeted the miliatary facilities and avoided the civilian blocks

>>14683611
>Another thing people don't facepalm at enough is that ECOAS is pretty much the Titans.
What? They're not mustache twirling losers who pump gas into colonies. They're a tiny elite ops team specializing in infantry and small scale tactics. Instead of having autonomy, they are at the Federation's command.

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>>14683625
>I just legitimately cannot understand the extreme hate for Unicorn.

/m/ hate Unicorn because the show borrowed heavily from Tomino's materials, yet it's very well received among mainstream gundam fans. I don't need to cite any sources but the ridiculous amount of Unicorn gunplas we got should tell you about the show's big success.

And thing got worse after G-reco, a pure Tomino show, only got lukewarm reception from Japanese fans and got shit on by many western fans

So not just Unicorn, /m/ would deliberately shit on non Tomino show like TB, Try or IBO. Unicorn get the most hate though

Just my two cents

Unicorn is only considered bad on /m/ because of the influx of /v/-tier shitposting and loss of debating with points.

Everything is now shit, with no reasons given. Unless it's contrarian to like it. Zeta is shit now, and ZZ is good.
Reasons are no longer provided as proof that something is shit, it just is. And if you say otherwise, you get a (You) or a "this is bait"

This is the kind of low-level shitposting and anti-discussion that now leaves /v/ in the worthless state it's in. Every single day /m/ gets new "why was this so shit??" threads. The OP has no interest in discussing something they like, or hearing why something is good. It's just yet more edgy teenager needing to feel smart by thinking everything is bad and nothing meets his lofty high standards shit.
>tell me why things are bad so I can think they're bad and post about why they're bad and call people who like them stupid even though I needed to be told why something was bad

I fucking hate this shit. It's why all those youtubers who talk about "EVERYTHING WRONG WITH..." "SO YOU THOUGHT ____ WAS A CLASSIC? THINK AGAIN!" "TOP 5 BAD THINGS WHICH ONLY IDIOTS LIKE" get big. As if any of them could actually create something themselves instead of being a nitpicking cynical faggot.

>>14683689
It "borrowed" material without actual excerising a new dimension or depth to using them. It was derivative and mindless, nothing else.

>>14684252
>because of the influx of /v/-tier shitposting
Yeah okay buddy.

>>14683689

> ridiculous amount of Unicorn gunplas

Just because I got myself a MG Sinanju doesn't mean I think Unicorn is a good show. It just has good overall good designs because it recycles god-tier ZZ ones or build on existing great UC designs of that period like the Jesta.

>>14683625
>And Unicorn is entertaining. It's a hell of a lot better than ZZ and some of Zetas duller arcs. And it's better than Stardust Memory and MS08th Team. (Which is actually pretty shit aside from the infamous Gouf fight)

Because the premise is retarded.

In Z and ZZ almost no one liked Zeon and they certainly weren't going to like Zeon after Char tried to drop a rock on Earth and commit mass genocide. Even some of his own guys turned against him after seeing Londo Bell and the GM IIIs of other feddie fleets try to push back Axis.

The very idea that Full Frontal has any real legitimacy, much less enough legitimacy to convince all of the colonies to impose severe trade sanctions on Earth is just batshit insane.

And not only that, no one would believe a bunch of raving lunatic terrorists if they claimed they had the "original" colony charters that just so happens to claim "new types of humans" will get privileged priority in the government while Char himself was a raving lunatic obsessed with Newtypes and MUH FATHER'S DREAM.

In the first place the Federation just had to say, "These people are batshit insane terrorists and their claims are absurd." Even if they did Loni's attack on the city near Torrington was all the fuel they needed to turn everyone against Zeon. Not even side 3 liked Zeon after the OYW and no one's going to like them after they see some Zeon terrorists wearing a zeon crest like it's a religious motif vaporize mothers clutching their infant children.

>>14683625

Moreover, the idea of the Unicorn is retarded. Why is a super-secret MS carrying the map to a secret that could change the world? In UC all the other Gundams are just high-end MS packed with new tech. NT-D system? Okay, I'd believe it. AE likes to pack strange shit into their gundams to use Newtypes are guinea pigs. Laplace's box that will guide the worthy ones to the secret of the Universal Century? It's dumb, it goes against the idea of the Gundam just being another (albeit highend) machine. The central focus of Gundam has always been on the characters but the Unicorn really takes center stage in the plot being basically as important as Banagher. It even survives its final battle completely intact.

And Banagher himself is annoying as shit. In the novels he's forced to kill Loni's family to stop the Shamblo and he resolves himself to murder Full Frontal because the guy's a dangerous lunatic, which is where we get the Unicorn Banshee double Final Shoot artwork from. UC is all about the next generation resisting the world of adults but ultimately being unable to defy it. Amuro, Kamille, and even Judau, who rage against adults and authority figures ultimately become like them because individuals, no matter how special they are, can only struggle against human nature and society. The character who best demonstrates this struggle is Usso, who laments the fact that he was raised like a child - being naive and hopeful - because he's forced to do terrible things, the same things, as the adults and authorities that he fights.

>>14683625

It's cynical but becoming what you hate and struggling against it is what makes the protagonists interesting. Amuro hating and resisting the military authority and responsibilities thrust upon him, only to become a fine soldier; Kamille hating the military and adults for their violence and cruetly tries to become a mature and capable person, only to grow bitter and angry and murderous when he's faced by people like Yazan and Scirocco even going so far as to be completely broken; Judau becoming jaded and running away from society to leave the Earth for itself, even though he was so angry at the AEUG and Federation for turning a blind eye for so long. And Amuro, as an adult, showing that even as a soldier he believes that humanity can still better itself.

But Banagher? He doesn't have any of that growth. He doesn't stop Loni, he doesn't even stop Full Frontal (which he did in the novels), and he only killed Galboa by accident because the moron actually RAN INTO THE BEAM (whereas Banagher legitimately killed him in a fit of rage in the novel). He killed like a few nameless grunts earlier in the show I guess and then proceeded to go right back to the way he was like none of that had any impact on him, just a strange phenomena I guess. Banagher just becomes a newtype god, stops a colony laser, helps Mineva broadcast the charter to everyone, becomes human again, and flies off to go back to his old life. Yeah, I guess he's banging the zeon princess. Besides some minor inconveniences he gets along just fine and everyone that's thrown at him seems to slip off like he's rubber. Daguza's death, Gilboa's death, Marida's death, his father's death don't seem to have any lasting impact on him. What did he take away from their deaths? With other protagonists you at least get a sense that everything that happens has a progressive toll on them which changes them but Banagher I don't really see it.

>>14684298
>>14684303
>>14684308
Now apply the same level of analysis to ZZ

>>14684316
I don't particularly dislike ZZ, I just think it wastes time meandering on strange arcs and one of the strongest themes - that grand ambitions and scheming will amount to nothing because you or society will royally fuck everything up - was introduced very late. It's been a while since I've seen ZZ but that was about the gist of it and it was first brought up in one of the desert episodes around the time Glemmy started getting support to become the "true successor" of Zeon.

>>14684316
You'd be surprised how much you could dig up from ZZ if you take the novels and other works into consideration. The insane Islamic movements commuting ethnic cleansing across Africa under the protection of Axis Zeon, the Federation happily standing by and allowing for huge pockets of the human race to be killed off for political gains, Glemy Toto technically being a defective copy of Gihren Zabi (Not sure if eugenics into existance or was a test tube construct much like the purus were...)

ZZ is interesting enough once you get past the initial 19 episodes, which by all accounts are rather awful to try and watch after finishing up with Zeta.

>>14684308
> he only killed Galboa by accident because the moron actually RAN INTO THE BEAM (whereas Banagher legitimately killed him in a fit of rage in the novel).

I thought he died took that shot it was going to hit Full Frontal?

Too pretentious.
Each OAV was like 1hour 40mins of politics and philosophical "2DEEP4U" bullshit, 20mins of action.

Inb4 "HURR DURR YOU HAVE ADD" hipster contrarians that pretend there's a place for this bullshit in a show about impractical bipedal robots killing each other with laser guns and magic remote weapons.

Nobody enjoyed the story of Unicorn, they either endured it or pretend they did so they can appear smarter and belittle others.

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>Ass Banagher has entered the room

>>14684421
If the shot was meant for Full Frontal it would've hit him. The beam magnum can vaporize suits just by grazing them

Unicorn was shit because it was bad fan-fiction.

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>>14676651
because best girl dies

Because the show is all flash no substance.

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>>14684787
No she didn't.

>>14684918
I hope that's about Zekes, because then she really is Best Girl.

>>14676651
too much talking not enough action

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>>14684991

Of course, dumb feddieposter.

>>14677639

His ass. Putting aside that the story beats were almost certainly dictated to Fukui by committee and he only wrote the surrounding given that it was always intended to be an OVA and he was only hired to write a novel after that decision Fukui himself is a big fan of Tomino.

>>14684795
>>14685008
Which is it, /m/? I keep seeing this.
>not enough action
>no substance
>too much action
>boring scenes where people talk ugh

More and more these Unicorn threads tell me that it really is perfectly fine and the issues people have with it are mostly down to personal taste and aren't objective flaws

>>14684787
I know that the main characterset were all nerds, but I fucking loved her and Zinnerman. That shit made me sad in my soul.

>>14680643
Goddammit! wasn't Kio from AGE torture enough! Why do we need this shit in the main Continuity!?

>>14685032

>Because the show is all flash no substance.
>too much talking not enough action

They are not mutually exclusive. Flashy != Action. Talking != substance.

Unicorn can be full of boring shallow dialogues while the little action it does offer is mostly flashy.And it's true

>>14685032
Never take /m/'s commentary about anything seriously, everyone here is chock full of shit, myself included.

I FEEL YOU BY MY SIDE

I watched the entire gundam franchise just so I could enjoy and understand Unicorn. 4/5. no regrets.

>>14685948
You only have to watch the early UC stuff to understand Unicorn.

>>14685974
I wanted to watch it all. It was worth it to see all the homages to earlier series.

Sooooo just watched the ova. I don't get what was in laplus box and why was it so significant?

>>14686001
Go back and watch it again and this time actually pay attention. The OVA literally spoonfeeds this information to you.

>>14686098
and I still dont get it. Newtypes have rights. wow its nothing

>>14686179
How'd they even know that newtypes would be a thing at the time of the charter?

>>14686183
i guess it was just a theory at the time

>>14686183
It probably wasn't meant as a newtype thing. More to stop dirty feds from claiming that spacenoids are an inferior race that don't deserve rights.

>>14686192
Spacenoids in general != Vaguely defined 'space evolved people' you dumbass.

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>>14685287
/v/
>"This game has one flaw, therefore the whole game is shit."

UCfags on /m/
>"This garbage show does at least one thing well, therefore it is good and everyone who complains about it is a shitposter."

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>>14676743
Hmm, really makes ya stink

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>>14688234
>0079 is just 'good'
>Zeta is a masterpiece

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>>14688395

>>14688234
So judging by this, Z, 00 S2 and Unicorn are the 3 best gundam anime... ANN is garbage.

>>14688234
>SEED and Destiny are better than X
turbo shit taste detected

>>14688429
10\10 does not mean perfect
stop rating your uber drivers and postmates deliveries 4 stars if it was good. 5 is good. 4 is just okay.

>>14688738
Not that guy but get fucked, having 4 stars as okay makes 3 stars meaningless. 3 is still a pass, that's perfect for okay.

>>14684352
>You'd be surprised how much you could dig up from ZZ if you take the novels

Im actually interested. Are they translated?

>>14688805
except if you're an uber driver and you get kicked off because your average falls below 4.7

>>14688974
Uber's system is pretty fucking irrevelevant to rating anime

>>14688999
If you believe this you just proved how flawed universal rating systems are. What 4.7 out of 5 means in regards to uber is totally different to what it means for anime. Number ratings are completely irrelevant.

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>>14688515
>ANN is garbage.
they have problems

>>14689005
oh look it's this butthurt faggot again

>>14689010
no butthurt, only intelligence

>>14689010
you're the one that seems hurt in the rear, anon.

>>14689005
>that image
That's some serious autism at work.

>>14689029
>That's some serious analysis at work
Fixed

>>14689029
were you that pwn'd mod?

>>14689035
>Pawn
>Mod
Those sound similar, I want an episode of Hardcore Pawn with an internet theme now

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>>14689037
/tv/ crossover thread when?

>>14689004
Well yes, the concept of a universal rating system is flawed as everybody has their own definitions. I didn't see that you specifically meant Uber system at first instead of a general 5 star system. Now I don't really see what that has to do with 10/10 not meaning perfect. By someones metric it could mean perfect, who are you to say it doesn't mean perfect?

>/m/ loathes ANN
>guy posts evidence of a mod being a dick
>/m/ whines over autism
>suddenly TruTV's Detroit show gets a Godzilla demot poster

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>the G-Rectals are awake

mods are dead, you know what that means?

>>14689061
Valvrave rape debates? Inb4 numbskulls think Saki was raped

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just a reminder that /m/ really is this divided

>>14689073
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Malal

>>14689005
How can ANN bully an entire group of people away and why can't we do the same?

Outside of calling people spics, before you even start anything, Juan.

>>14689137
>How can ANN bully an entire group of people away
Have you met their mods in the past year?

>>14689005
holy shit that autism

>>14676651
The show is so deep, even autistics can't understand what's going on.

What's the Laplace box anyway? Why Frontal wanted to use it to bargain with feds and make a economic blockage on earth? Does he understand that Earth can survive while they themselves in colonies will suffer soon due to this blockage? Hell humanity on earth survives thousand of years by relying on earth alone.

Why he didn't show the charter instead to people to kick out the feds control over colonies?

Who is full frontal anyway? How come he had Char's soul?

Aside from Mech and Music, this is a bad fanfiction written by a fangirl from tumblr or some cheap website.

>>14689211
tell that to college professors

>>14689302
hahaha it's fucking gamefaqs who even cares about that shit to mark it up like you're a junior high teacher

I finished 0079 and it was pretty good, but not great. Way too much fucking filler. I'm halfway through Zeta now and its basically the same show except without anything that made 0079 interesting.

Are any of the shows actually good or are the good ones only really good in terms of mecha anime standards? If there is one, what is the one show in Gundam that is legitimately great?

>>14689749
0080 has no filler, if that's what you're looking for. If you can't handle filler I'd generally stay away from mecha though.

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>>14689749
>Way too much fucking filler.
There's like 5 real filler episodes in 0079 how dare you.

>Are any of the shows actually good or are the good ones only really good in terms of mecha anime standards?

Most UC series are super-flawed, but do a handful of things well enough to keep dedicated fanbases. I'm partway through the whole series, but I'd recommend these with few reservations:

>0080
Slow with very little action, but the few fights are really good, and it's one of the only series that actually handle subtext well. It's kind of like a cross between E.T. and All Quiet on the Western Front, if that makes sense.

>08th MS Team
Grounded action that pays careful attention to scale. Some of the best action in the series, and character designs from the Cowboy Bebop guy.

>The Origin
Episode 1 is amazing, episode 2 is cheesy, and episode 3 is pretty good. If anything, watch episode 1 and read the manga.

>Thunderbolt
The plot is kind of underdeveloped because it only covers 3 volumes of the manga in under 2 hours, but it's gorgeous, has great music, and can handle tone and subtext really well. The attention to detail in setting designs and the varied character designs are also great.

>>14689240
I don't think Full Frontal intended for the economic blockage to kill the Earth sphere or really starve it, it's just a different method to achieve independence from Earth Sphere. The kind of thinking that economic independence equates to political independence. Not agreeing or disagreeing with his views, that's just what I think they are.

> Does he understand that Earth can survive while they themselves in colonies will suffer soon due to this blockage?

On these kinds of matters, there's two ways of thinking. You can think the character is retarded for not seeing what's obvious, or you can think that we as an audience don't know as much as the character. I generally subscribe to the latter.

>>14689332
cool mouth, does it talk with dialogue?

>>14680430
Vist clearly stated that what made him take action in 0096 instead of before is because Zeon would cease to be in 4 years, and when that happens not the box becomes useless, but the Federation would have unrivaled power and would be able to do whatever they wanted.

About Banagher, was he actually modified or was he simply being tested?

>>14683625
I liked MS08th Team. And I really liked War in a Pocket, I don't consider it dogshit at all.

>>14684252
>Unicorn is only considered bad on /m/ because of the influx of /v/-tier shitposting.
>Reasons are no longer provided as proof that something is shit, it just is.
You're doing the same shitposting you complain about, pal.

Last episode of Unicorn today.

The tiny raptor arms on the giant mobile suit never gets old.

All that gundam technology, and they end up fist fighting in mobile suits.

I forgot what the fuck happened in the end with the dimension hopping.

Zeek pandering

>>14695778
Nothing actually happened, just newtype mindfuckery. They didn't really time travel, that's why you only saw things Full Frontal knew about, not Late UC, Wing, G, etc. If you think about it, showing Banana all of the actual millenia of war that were going to follow regardless of what they did in Unicorn, that would have made his point a whole lot better than the void at the end of the universe.

>>14695813
Very true.

Also I can't get over how retarded fist fighting and judo chopping in giant robots are.

>>14695717
No, one more next week.

>>14695813
So it is basically Full Frontal going, no, you don't understand! If you have seen what I have seen then you would have no faith in man!

Banager: Sora-demo.

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I checked on the series to see if they changed the Banana and Riddhe encounter at the end of OVA 6. That's cool they left in RE:I AM and just made it into the episode's op.

But I don't see a reason to actually watch it. Anyone know if they added anything new?

>>14697132

Other than new OP and ED sequences and previous episode recaps at the beginning of every episode, there's a very very small number of redrawn scenes. I can only think of two, and one of them wasn't an improvement. There's no new scenes at all, not anything added to change the pacing or smooth out the change to tv sized episodes.

Really, it's just a way to watch Unicorn via legit streaming if you don't want to buy the OVAs.

>>14697132
Well, they did extend and made the flashback scene when the RX-0 and the Neo Zeong did time travel look nice, appreciated the details of the reanimations of Axis Shock, Challia Bull's final fight, the White Base's destruction, the Battle of A Baoa Qu, OP: British, and even Dozle's death at the fall of the Big Zam.

>>14695778
>>14695813

I heard from others that in the novel though, in the scene that Banagher and FF did pull it off by themselves without their respective Mobile Weapons, that part of the Vision Time Travel scene also included scenes from F91 and Victory, would have been nice to also have modern animations of the F91 handing the Rafflesia its own ass and what the V2's Wings of Light fire up and look like. But I honestly think that (and perhaps others may share a similar opinion) with how Late UC was handled, I don't think Bandai and Sunrise would want to touch it with an 11-foot pole except when coming up with new HG kits.

So all of Unicorn, all of the earlier gundams, they were meaningless in the end? They only brought a few years of peace?

>>14697588

Thirty years of peace is pretty impressive compared to the state of the world between 79 and 96

And it's a mortal blow to the Federation - it lingers around for decades more, but it's all a steady decline into irrelevance

>>14697596
Good point.

>>14697596
>30 years
Hathaway's Flash, F90, and the implication things had already been falling apart by the time F91 starts sort of eat into this.

>>14697588
No, its like Madoka, the world is a better place but not everything is rosy

Federation gets out of the shackles by AE
AE lost its relevance until producing V Gundam
Legends now depict Gundam as a saviour of spacenoid justice (look at how Chronicle Asher reacted when V Gundam is fighting him)

>>14676651
It had Indian caste system in it

>>14697167
>>14697171
That's good to know then, might just give it a watch if I'm bored.

>>14697596
>>14697608
So in a way, the very provisions of Chapter VII of the actual charter let Late UC to be the FUBAR mess that Sunrise doesn't want to go through again - Feddie power effectively stagnates and wanes, nobody from Mars Zeon gets the memo on what happened with the Third Neo Zeon war, and anyone who allies with or is part of a Jupiter faction basically doesn't give a shit, or at least that's how I see it.