22 years apart. What happened?

>>14649000
Kawamori was influenced by modern anime trends, just like he was back when he made plus

>>14649013
It's more than that.

The pacing and writing has also declined in quality.

Put short, Kawamori(the ideas guy)'s supporting team (which is responsible for the execution) is not as strong in Delta as it was in SDF, DYRL, Plus and Frontier. Can't speak for 7, but based on the similarity of the problems, I imagine it's basically in the same position as Delta.

This can still be fixed in the movies, but it will be very difficult.

Are we actually pretending Plus is good for anything other than mecha porn

>>14649050
interesting characters
great soundtrack
animation quality

You baiting or you really so retarded you comparing 2-cour tv anime with 4-episode OVA.

>>14649050
Why else would you watch a show about transforming planes?

Did you watch Gundam 0083 for anything other than the mecha porn?

>>14649084
Kickass openings.

>>14649081
I much rather have recycled animation from SDF Macross than the incoherent mess that are battles are in Delta.

>>14649000
Budget. Delta has the lowest animation budget relative to competing anime in Macross history; even 7 had a budget higher than other anime airing at the time.

Delta also has a bunch of shitty animation directors who have no idea how to shoot a battle scene and make it impactful. All they know to do is show shots of things happening, and not how to use camera angles effectively or position scene elements well.

>>14649000
not a full time macross fan, from what I remembered Macross 7 was the trash back then IMO.

>>14649000
What do you mean what happened? 22 years happened, and the shows are about completely different things. The whole plot of Plus is the competition between YF-19 and the YF-21 to see which one gets picked for mass production. Delta is about the Protoculture and music as a weapon. Of course the battle scenes are going to be different based on the priorities of the show.

>>14649109
I actually believe this, but can you source any of this budget stuff. A quick google search has no real hits.

>>14649084
No I didn't. I just won't pretend it was particularly well written or compelling like Plus and Zerofags.

>>14649137
Reading between the lines, Kawamori had a harder time getting sponsors for Delta and he had to get more companies together, which means people were much less willing to fork over cash for the project.

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>>14649219
>Reading between the lines,
So you're just pulling this shit outta your ass

>>14649109
>>14649219
>source: my ass
Nice try, OP.

Frontier was a lot better.

Frontier had Sheryl that was a really strong lead female character. Ranka and Alto were shit though.

Delta was good until episode 10, then Kawamori forgot about developing the characters afterwards and gave way too much screen time to the guys from wind planet and their war. Which was VERY boring, I still don't care about any of those characters.

Instead would have been better if Mirage and Freyja openly challenged each other to see who would win Hayate and this way would give some good excuses to further develop them. So far Hayate likes no one and would be weird if he choose Mirage or Freyja.

Seems next episode we will see some interaction between Hayate and Mikumo. I can't imagine the level of trolling if Kawamori developed Hayate and Mikumo as a romantic pairing.

>>14652524
>Ranka and Alto were shit though.
they were great you nerd.

>>14652530
>>14652524
Yeah I liked Alto and Ranka :(
Alto is a million times better than Hikaru and Hayate at any rate. Freyja is pretty much an upgrade to Ranka though.

Also I don't think Kawamori is in charge of actually writing any of this stuff. He's just an ideas man, and ideas can only get you so far in animation.

>>14649043
>The pacing and writing has also declined in quality.
I'll give you this,its second half's pacing is trash also Mirage is one of the worst ways I've seen a character get treated.
>Have her be a literal background character and occasional jobber for 17 epiosdes
>give her awkward characterization out of nowhere
Kawamori seriously needs to go read a book about how to write characters or something.

Hayate's been pretty decent for an MC though,he's not bad at all imo just nothing spectacular since it feels like they slowly stripped away his defining attribute.
He was supposed to be all about dancing yet he hasn't danced since like episode 3 or 4

>>14649084
I watched it because I could pretend it was UC top gun

>>14652524
>Kawamori forgot about developing the characters afterwards
You guys are so fucking autistically blind and stupid if you can't see the development in Freyja, Hayate and Mirage

>>14652554
>its second half's pacing is trash
The pacing is perfectly fine you ADHD autist. You're expecting tons of things to happen while there's no need for the show to go any faster. You've been fucking spoiled by Frontier, it seems.

>awkward characterization out of nowhere
>out of nowhere
PLEASE JUST WATCHING THE FUCKING SHOW. PAY ATTENTION.
Again, you Frontier babbies think the """triangle"" is a major part of Delta like it was in Frontier, and when you don't get that you yell "SHIT WRITING SHIT WRITING WTF WHY ISN'T MIRAGE GOING ON DATES WITH HAYATE WHY AREN'T THEY FIGHTING OVER HIM WTF SHITTY TRIANGLE KAWAMORI"

>>14649073
dont forget unlikable charters and a paper thin plot Im not saying delta is a masterpease but we need to be honest hear guys nether of this shows are the best things in the world I even argue for all the batshit insanaty and reused animation macross 7 is better then bolth plue and delta

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>>14652596

>>14652596
>>14652604
>What happened?
Nothing.

>>14649000
Thanks for that, OP.
From the premise and the pre-release threads I was pretty sure I wasn't going to like Delta.
Nice to see I was right.
Well...actually I'd have rather been wrong, but whatev...

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>>14652664
What makes it different from the other macross?

>>14652604
THE IDOLS ARE MULTIPLYING

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>>14652573
>Freyja, Hayate and Mirage

I'll give you the character development on Freyate, but Mirage? C'mon aside from her outburst what character development has she had?

Freyja and Hayate are the main focus of the story, with Mikumo and Protoculture serving as the supporting elements.

>>14652694
I'm disappointed they haven't used that high speed mode again.

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>>14652707
They're saving budget for the last battle. We're going to get some new action scene in the next episode too.

>>14652674
>that awful framerate
If theres anything Delta has over the other cgi macross shows is that the cgi is the best it's ever been.

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>>14652787
Yeah, its smooth.

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>>14652787

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>>14652805
That's from the movie.

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>>14652787
I really like this one.

>>14652573
>PLEASE JUST WATCHING THE FUCKING SHOW. PAY ATTENTION.
don't pull this Reco shit with me, the second half of Delta has been crap and you know it and Mirage was a nonexistent entity for the first half,
all she got was a few scenes where she blushed and that was it we barely know her motivations.

I haven't given a shit about the triangle since Kawamori said it wouldn't fit together properly, mirage is just a badly written character.
I mean fuck, even Hayate has barely gotten development since Messer's death and everyone else has been ignored.

How does chuck feel about his sister's disappearance? we don't know that they fucking dropped that subplot after going out of their way creating it
What's the deal with Makina and Rei? we don't know, all they did is give us a one liner of how they used to hate each other and how now they're BFFs
Why did Roid go from Loyal subject to Keikaku man? We don't know and all we get is that he wants to take over the galaxy because "muh heritage"
Who is lady M? why does she have to gain from being involved? we don't know
Until one or two episodes ago we had no Idea what Mikumo was and now they'll shove that all in over the next 1-5 episodes with all these sideplots left over.
Unless they announce Delta's getting a OVA,S2, or movie ending I doubt they can wrap it up properly

>>14653014
>Hayate has barely gotten development since Messer's death

Hayate fucking REGRESSED since Messer died. Him refusing a replacement pilot and actually getting that wish granted was such a load of childish horseshit.

Especially since he winds up getting a convenient plot magic power up to make up for the loss instead of you know, a fucking new recruit and a "man up" punch like any other properly written show would go with.

>>14653073
>and a "man up" punch like any other properly written show would go with.
>punching someone in the face is considered "well written" to you
lol

>>14652744
Why is he the leader again? He barely does anything useful during the battle.

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>>14653091
>Disciplining whiny little shits in an environment where disobedience could very easily spell death is a bad thing

I bet you're the type of retard who thinks ZZ is good.

Either way, enjoy your (You), you dense shitposter.

I remember seeing Macross Plus and Gundam 0083 back in the 90s at a anime/RPG convention. I had never been to one, and I wasn't expecting the audience to be so into it, laughing and having a good time. I dont think I will ever have a Macross experience that great again. It really felt like this new shift in animation.

>>14653126
I guess you forgot the 2nd episode where Mirage punches Hayate in the face for stealing a valkyrie. You can shut the fuck up now Gundam babbie.

>>14649095
I'VE GOT A BURNING HEART

I feel like hand drawn animation just has better overall look and feel


i wish anime was still like this. Hard rock soundtrack. Male characters that didn't give a fuck and were stone cold hardcore. Blood n guts all over the place just because, and explosions just to have explosions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XH6FiuGEbs

>>14653257
I think its the film grain, honestly. It gives it a grittier look, whereas new stuff usually looks sterile.

>>14653257
>Blood n guts all over the place just because, and explosions just to have explosions
this still exists

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>>14653257
My ears. Could you choose a worse video for your example?

Macross is still the same. It's the US fanbase that's gotten older and uppity. Get off my lawn.

>>14653427
Actaully, I think its just a super vocal minority who try to force this "le worst macross ever!!!" meme.
Even on Macrossworld, there's more people enjoying Delta then disliking it, although their complaints are pretty much the same as ours (Mirage isn't doing anything, Bogue is annoying, etc).

>>14653437
I've watched every Macross bar II and Delta is the absolute worst Macross. It's only "good" if you don't think there can be good action scenes and bad action scenes, and if you like boring-ass cliches.

>>14653451
So SDF is the worse Macross too.

>>14653451
>never watched 7
>never watched plus
>never watched zero

>>14653437
I think I'm being fair and leveling legitimate criticism of Delta. I actually liked frontier, and I'm not even close to being old, and I have seen all of the Macross franchise within the last year, so no 'muh nostalgia" here.

Delta is suffering from serious pacing and character issues, which lots of anime do, but it doesn't invalidate the fact that compared to other Macross there is a significant drop in quality, not to mention weird animations and some rough choreography at times.

TLDR: Mediocre yet enjoyable anime, poor quality Macross.

>>14653517
I agree that its not the best Macross series, but some people are making this out to be the end of Macross and that Kawamori should commit sudoku.
There are legitimate criticisms to be made, but its overshadowed by the extreme shitposting.

>>14653451
Delta is the worst. I feel sorry for the new girls for being involved with Kawamori at his worst. Rip Macross.

>>14653517
>>14653562
I think we should wait to see how it ends before passing judgement and sentencing Kawamori to his death. The final five episodes might be amazing. Or terrible. We'll see. Well, I will. Most of you probably don't care.

>>14653520
>There are legitimate criticisms to be made, but its overshadowed by the extreme shitposting.

The most common type of shitposting I've seen in Delta threads come from childish 'NO U' type posts made in response to properly thought out criticisms like these:
>>14653506
>>14653509

No one is exaggerating when they say it's the worst and that's ridiculous that you people expect everyone to agree with you on some other entry being the actual worst instead.

>>14653603
It's like people have different opinions or something.

>>14653601
No, I actually am waiting it out, since I know Macross endings are generally pretty good.

I'm just going to wait for the movie version though. I honestly don't know if 5 episodes can do what it needs to do, unless some serious shit goes down.

>>14652573
Agreed 100%

>>14652696

Mirage relegating herself to be a support character, and not the love interest, and also putting those two in their place when they talk about giving up singing/flying for each other. It was actually a really major and mature development for her, considering how she reacted to any hint of their relationship before that like child.

>>14653014
It is'nt really fair to judge it for plot points not being developed when there is still a chance for them to be developed. A character going MIA isn't really a plot thread that needs developing, nor is Makina and Rei's back story. The rest of that stuff and the whole deal with Hayate's father can be dealt with in 5 episodes if they give us no filler and only a few battles.

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>>14653616

Exactly the point I was making in that post. Except when it comes to negative opinions on the show, you twats have a horrible habit of disregarding it as 'shitposting' even when someone actually takes the time to explain why it's such a horrible watch.

>>14653649
Your reasons are terrible.

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>>14653257
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>>14649000
People finally figured out that American voice actors are fucking garbage?

>>14649000
Budget mostly. Also, 22 years mean lots of new trends, so Kawamori adapted.
Also
>OAV
>>14649043
>This can still be fixed in the movies, but it will be very difficult.
So, Escaflowne 2.0?
>>14649050
It's Top Gun, the animation. It have no need to be deep, only entertaining. And as much as I agree it's romance was week, everything else was grin inducing.
>>14649105
You mean planes with actually working control surfaces and somewhat obeying laws of physics?
>>14652596
Macross class is awesome as usual.
>>14652604
Idols are idoru as usual.
>>14652744
In Frontier we have had what, episode seven, fourteen, and eighteen filled with action with some little bits here and there plus final battle. Delta was wild ride up until Keith was shot down. by that pattern we get lots of plot now and maybe three last episodes of action.
>mfw black and white picture show.
>>14653437
Because we've got lots to digest lore wise. Protoculture, new hardware, Anti-UN remnants, how it all fits with previous iterations - Delta is much more than just love story. It's kinda like UC, every new series adds to it.

>>14649000
Blame Harmony Gold.
Things would have probably been different if Macross was releasing worldwide with BD and on Youtube like gundam. Shoji Kawamori wanted that and is planing to do that with his next new series next year.

>>14649073
>interesting characters
>great soundtrack
>animation quality

Interesting characters ? Nope.
Great soundtrack ? Yes and no.
Animation quality ? Top notch because it was an ova made during the golden years. Money and talent galore. And it shows.

>>14653506
>So SDF is the worse Macross too.

Yes but it has Minmay, Misa, Claudia and Fokker.
Delta has neither a good story nor good characters.

>>14654063
for u.

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>>14654063
>Minmé and Foker
>Good characters

Oh, come on man. His only character comes from an episode of exposition at the tail end of the series, long after his death.
Likewise, Lynn is by far the least interesting of the idols. Even Freyja has already had her character fleshed out more than she ever did during the course of 36 episodes.
Claudia only played a second note to the characters and her character only becomes a character during the last moments of Macross when she pushes for MisaXIchijo.
Like, he height of her character is making a pineapple salad for 30-something odd episodes.

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>>14654092
>Lynn is by far the least interesting of the idols

Strongly disagree. She's the only real instance of a tragic heroine in the series, in the sense that her own terrible decision making winds up with her fairly miserable in the end despite being a big part of what ended the war.

Everyone else comes across as far too idealistic given that they have no genuine flaws that exemplifies their failure, which makes love triangle drama feel incredibly superfluous given there's no reason to feel sorry for someone who was simply told "I prefer her instead".

>>14654162
No, she's terrible compared to other idols. We never even learn her reasons for singing. It never even really seemed like she wanted to and she's a very selfish person.
>>14654092
This. I find it funny that people in the Delta threads are complaining Arad barely does anything when the same is true of Focker who everyone jerks off. I'm not even bullshitting, Focker barely does anything after the first few episodes of SDF. He's supposed to be this really skillful ace and leader of Skull Squadron but in SDF we don't see him fight at all after the first 5 episodes. He just fades into the background until his death.

Perfect example, when Millia and her forces are attacking the Macross, Focker is NOWHERE during that entire battle. You don't see him fight at all during this huge battle. For an important character he sure is absent a lot.

>>14655058
The issue is that it's a HUGE battle.

When Delta fights, it's almost always just the four members of Delta versus the five members of Windemere's Aerial Knights, and you only ever see what Hayate is doing and Mirage shouting "Hayate!"

Focker could've been anywhere fighting off battlepods or whatever, but that fight was specifically focused on Max fighting Milia. That's like if it was an episode where Mirage was taking on Bogue. Or you could compare that episode to the Ragna invasion episode, where you can at least assume that while Mirage, Hayate, and Chuck are fighting Keith Arad is coordinating other squadrons fighting Windemere.

>>14655058

> We never even learn her reasons for singing

So what? It's not like it's important, since it basically comes down to 'because I want to/it makes me happy/it makes other people happy'. You don't need to make that explicit to have a good character.

> For an important character he sure is absent a lot.

He's not important to the plot, he's important to Hikaru. He's the person who Hikaru goes to for advice for a good chunk of the show, asking about women and his role in the military and commanding others. He establishes his character strongly in the first few episodes, much more than Arad because we see him both more and in more varied situations and expressions. In the first few episodes he talks and jokes a lot with Hikaru, establishing his history and personality in doing so. Arad establishes those too, but he's not a big presence and we don't really get to see him in the same variety of situations because of it.

That seems more like Mirage's role, but she's mostly kind of sad rather than joking or what have you. Hayate does seek her advice a few times, and talks to her about first kills, whether he has feelings for Freyja and so on though.

>>14649073
>interesting characters
Isamu and Guld act like dicks the whole way through till the end. Nobody likes Myung.
>great soundtrack
Background music is nice but Info High is the only good song in the entire OVA.
>animation quality
Agreed but it's an OVA. A fully 2D animated OVA. It has a bigger budget.

>>14654009
But Kawori likes idols and is a shoujo fag. He's not gonna take away music and romance in a series that's all about that with spess planes as a backdrop. He was never into military stories. The OVAs are different because they're gifts for pure mecha fans. Why do you think Plus and Zero have the worst songs in all of Macross?

>>14655145
>He's not gonna take away music and romance in a series that's all about that
No you fucking retard, original SDF was your fucking space opera with romance and songs to make it somewhat original. It was not about shoving idols into every fucking episode to sell fucking CDs. Kawamori is mad old bastard, he should just desighn mechs. If they would make Delta movies they should hire competent director and a whole truck of competent writers.

>>14655133
>A fully 2D animated OVA

It isn't. There's actually quite a few instances of CGI being used.

Music being a weapon was a cute twist in the original Macross. I never thought there was any fucking reason whatsoever to make it central in any of the other series going forward, but that's anime autism for you; some fucking loser thought it'd make for a great show and a bunch of other sweaty-palmed hikkikomoris gave them the money to keep doing it.

>>14655191
CDs sell. Idolshit sells. Do the math.

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>>14655133
>Agreed but it's an OVA. A fully 2D animated OVA.
But it's not. Plus was the first Macross series to use CGI.

>>14655164
>It was not about shoving idols into every fucking episode to sell fucking CDs.
That's so fucking wrong. Did you not notice almost every episode had a Minmay song playing even in the background? If you seriously think SDF wasn't trying to sell CDs too then you're just a blind fanboy.

>>14655224
SDF was still a space opera with something besides idols, mc and his waifu (which is also an idol, what a coincidence). Delta is AKB0048 with some valks thrown here and there and then called Macross.

>>14655164
>not about shoving idols into every fucking episode

But we got a shit ton of Minmay screentime and nobody likes her, only her songs. Delta's almost the same case except Freyja, Kaname, and Mikumo are either more likable or easier to sympathize with than Minmay. But Macross was never fully about mechs which is something you kind of proved.

>>14655234
It was also not about 90% idolshit, which is Delta. I watch Macross for cool setting and even cooler mechs, not for fucking idolshit, considering there are shitton of other idol shows on the market. Aka idolshit sells, PREASU BUY ZE BRURAYS.

>>14655234
>He's an idolshit waifufag
kys and gb2/a/

>>14655230
No it wasn't. The entire focus was about MC, his terrible idol waifu, and his space commander waifu. Delta is just about MC and his better idol waifu. They're both primarily love stories with lots of music. Only difference is Delta lacks a triangle, but nobody likes triangles.

>>14655247
Delta also lacks background characters, mechs, ships, meaninful plot and pacing and common sense.

>>14655253
>Delta lacks background characters, mechs, ships, meaningful plot...

You fucking retard.

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>>14655245
>It was also not about 90% idolshit, which is Delta.
And this is where I learned arguing with you is a complete waste of time because you seriously believe this. You actually think 90% of the fucking show is about idols and there is next to nothing else to this show. Yeah, because you know most of the episodes are about Walkure sitting around doing their makeup and entering Miss Macross pageants and being flighty bitches to each other. Oh wait no that's SDF. You should go to Robotechx.com, you'd fit right in there.

>>14655246
/a/ thread died so they came here.

>A story about a space pilot fighting for his idol waifu who literally saves the day with the power of love and music isn't about idols

That said, the incidental music in the original is way better than the idol songs, which are lame.

>>14655253
lol you literally have blind rage that you can only see the idols and nothing else.

>>14655246
Thread in /a/ died so they came here.

>>14655245
If you watch Macross for only mevhs and not the other 2 elements, then you're a newfag. Macross has always been best at selling CDs and waifu merch.

http://www.macrossworld.com/macross-voted-most-popular-idol-anime/
>SDF fags will ignore this

>>14655267
>unironically watching fiction for shitty romance and jpop/jrock/idolshit
My sides.

>>14655276
>expects full on mech stories from shoujofag Kawamori

You're dumb

>>14655283
And thats fucking why he should not be fucking director. The only thing old geezer still does well is mech designs. Macross need some fresh start. With competent director.

>>14655286
Macross doesn't need fresh start. Just like Mazinger. Just like Gundam. They don't need some smartanon to tell them what they have to do. It is what it is because it is Macross.

>>14655286
By fresh start you mean no music or romance and just mechs like Plus. Shit won't sell sorry.

I absolutely adore Delta defence force. But they need to get back to their cancerous generals in /a/.

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>>14655230
>Delta is AKB0048 with some valks thrown here and there and then called Macross.

Ignoring the mechs, I think I enjoyed AKB0048 more than Delta. It does the moeshit far better.

>>14655332
Because it's fucking idolshit being idolshit. Delta is idolshit pretending to be Macross. And generally Delta being a mess plot and character -wise.

>>14655334
>Delta is 90% idolshit! Is a shit!

Still pretending we haven't got mechs I see. Btw every Macross is idolshit. They all sold a shit ton of albums.

>>14655359
Yes yes now get back to your generals in /a/.

VAs are being sold as idols nowadays, and it is part of the package.
No company will sponsor anything that won't generate extra cash from side merchandise.
Sorry anon. You were born in the wrong decade.

>>14655368
It's not even about fucking idols, it's about Delta being directionless mess with shitty illogical writing. Literally EVERYONE is retarded in Delta.

>>14655381
Yeah, and you are the only sane anon in this world.

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>>14655406
Yes.

>>14655412
Well that's too bad.
Enjoy your loneliness and sanity till the end of the days then.

>>14655381
But no one isn't in say Plus? Isamu and Guld's final dogfight is epic but they have the most childish and retarded dialogue ever. To add to that, the two end up destorying part of a city and for what? Some unlikable cunt like Myung? Please.

Delta isn't Idolshit. Aside from Freyja none of the other idols have gotten real character growth or development. Delta just happens to have some superfluous idols in it aside from the main one. It's basically the equivalent of Pink Pecker from 7 showing up in every episode to sing alongside little girl Basara.

>>14655427
I also adore Delta's defence force stance towards Plus. No one is saying anything about Plus.

>>14655428
It IS idolshit. Idols are doing everything from combat singing to covert ops missions behind enemy lines.

>>14655431
Plus is half of the thread's topic you autistic fuck.

>>14655444
Yes-yes a few webms are Plus discussion no gb2/a/, please.

>>14655452
Not my fault you can't defend anything about the OVA except the fact it's got planes.

>>14655479
Okay, now get back to your generals on /a/ and do whatever you do there.

>>14655452
The fucking OP pic and link is about comparing Plus with Delta. Holy shit no one is this retarded.

>>14655527
(you)

>>14655528
You proved himself that you're retarded.

>>14655545
(you)

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>>14655334
>idolshit pretending to be Macross
But isn't Macross 1/3 idolshit?

>>14655553
Delta is 4/5 idolshit tho.

>>14655550
What do you trying to achieve by replying to me and him with (you) without argument?

>>14655555
Delta is 1.5/3 Idolshit.

>>14655557
(you).

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>>14655271
SDF has an idol for your information. Its fanbases are just retarded.

>>14655559
Nah, at least 2/3 idolshit. Soon the characters won't even shit their pants without walkure singing.

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>>14655332
>It does the moeshit far better.
There is no Freyja therefore it does not for me.

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>>14655576
Kawamori pls.

>>14655571
They're songstress and songstress play a big part in Macross.

It's still 1.5/3 music (idol) for me.
0.5/3 love triangle and 1/3 mecha.

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>>14655592

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Anyone noticed that in the last episode?

>>14655599
>anon still care about the plot.

>>14655611

Not him, but the characters are boring and the setting isn't really doing anything for me or changing up the Macross universe in any way so the plot is about all that's left.

>>14655633
Ploot feels like some kind of Niven fanwank. Without Niven-tier worldbuilding.

>>14655639
Plot is dragged.

>>14655641
And has insane logical flaws and plot armor everywhere.

>>14655644
Live every macross and gundam.

>>14655647
Delta has too much of them and nothing to compensate for that.

>>14655663
not really. Delta's 2nd cour is dragged. It's too slow.

>>14655669
Delta generally is meh. Windies are basically whos, delta are basically whos, Xaos are literal retards, NUNS are doing nothing except dying to glorious windermere might 6 planes raping entire fleets. Frodo the show.

>>14655700
http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2016/06/30/020000

>>14655761
Now that's DEEP. More DEEP than the actual Delta's writing.

>>14655700
>NUNS are doing nothing except dying to glorious windermere might 6 planes raping entire fleets. Frodo the show.
If this was any other show that'd be a problem but when you have a space song that can brainwash your opposition into submission why is this bad? They're not so much soloing entire fleets as destroying their own puppets.

>>14655912
They still wiped Al Shahal defence fleet without any effort in the first episode. And super special snowflake song does not allow you to dodge some twenty valks shooting at you at any given time. But who cares windies are Jesus Yamato-tier faggots.

>>14655930
>Max and Isamu do this all the time
>no one bitches
Is this your first Macross?

>>14655962
They shot down fucking grunts, not entire fleets. And Isamu shot a bunch of satelites. That's it.

Macross E chapter 01 raw: http://imgur.com/a/J6Tza

Translation: http://pastebin.com/C8kaigwU

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>>14655974
Fleets have grunts. What are you on about. And Isamu destroyed more than a bunch of fucking satelites unless you only watched the movie.

yes ova have better animation quality so that is the reason why plus and zero look better but they could have better writing and more interesting fights toning down the idol group crap.

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>>14656003
She's trying to imitate Basara. The MC is lame.

>>14656040
she doesn't look as autistic.

>>14655224
>>14655247
>How to spot retards that skipped SDF and only saw DYRL: The posts

>>14656239
That's called 'incursion from /a/'.

>>14656008

I imagine he's referring to when Isamu penetrated the Earth defence net, in which case he's still wrong since Isamu doesn't even shoot down any satellites. He says he's going to destroy a few and hide in one, but we never actually see him do so. At least in the OVA. The movie may include him doing so.

>>14656524
It does. He shoots a bunch of missles and then goes straight into atmosphere.

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>>14656524
>but we never actually see him do so.
That doesn't make any sense. Why is there falling debris if he didn't destroy any? Who fired the missiles that did blow up the satellites, then?

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>>14656454

It would only really be an incursion if it was a semi-brief occurrence, no?

Something needs to be done about that Shitphogear General, and fast. That off topic cesspool is clearly acting as a gateway for new shitposters to come in from /a/utism land.

Even [gg] has gotten so disgusted with Delta they've dropped the series. How can Deltafags defend this?

>>14656874
/m/ needs its own Gryps 2 to shoot down f/a/ggots.

>>14656008
The VF-11 was pretty swell. Shame that it was made out to be the worst of fodder in 7.

>>14656874
It used to be decent, but that thread went WAY downhill around the time GX started airing.

>>14657018
Now its a literal concl/a/ve.

>>14653257
>flying an F-20
>tfw the F-20 lost to the F-16

[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_21_[CE962E66].mkv

>>14656889
They dropped Murokuromu not Delta you idiot.

Been avoiding Delta and threads until I can get to it but watched the video and
holy FUCK
her voice took me by surprised. Not too often it isn't higher range singer.

>>14655599
Yes, among other things that tie Delta to Zero.
Notice fishes as well - those that swim and those that fly.
Also, dreams.
>>14655611
Worldbuilding really.
>>14655644
>reminder about this being in universe adaptation of real events
>>14655647
Macross has above greentext in it's defense and considering how production of Zero went in Frontier, inaccuracies are acceptable. Gundam is straight up story with now defensive explanations of said plotholes. Okay, Newtypes but we all know how well that works.

>>14649073
>interesting characters
It still amazes me that people can hate Dyson and Guld, They are lovable hotheads.

>>14657978
It was Top Gun the anime, and most people from /a/ never watched it. And you can't self-insert into either of them.

I hope this isn't the nostalgia goggles talking but I feel like Macross Plus is a hell of a lot better than.
I know Plus is an OVA and Delta is a series but it feels like Plus is just better overall.

>>14658003
Because it is. Delta is a mess, they'd better made it into another AKB shit.

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>>14655145

>Plus
>Worst songs

I really enjoyed everything Sharon Apple put out.

How could you insult best idol like that, anon?

>>14658000
Wait, wasn't 0083 Top Gun the anime? It even had its own version of Danger Zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvZ0BIDekmg

>>14658044
Her concert was absolutely bizarre in terms of style and animation, and i liked it.
>>14658048
They both are.

>>14655145
I'm sorry but it might be the old man in me talking but these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnHFwSRhvnY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw3aAXOt9L0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY05EItRfKQ

are way better than this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4R0JijjR70

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwMYLzePzgk

>>14658067
The best thing about Sharon concert is absolutely bizarre visual style.

>>14658077
That and I honestly think it was the highest point for the entire Macross franchise. Sharp animation, great music, good story.

>>14658103
7 was fine. It was G Gundam of Macross but it was fun.

>>14658003
Plus is better than everything else period.

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>All those anon saying that Plus better than Delta for the character developpement and Story
>All those people comparing Oav series with a TV series
>all those people defending Macross 7's pace while shitting on Delta's pace
WEW LAD
E
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L
A
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>>14658133
/a/ get out. 7 had 50 episodes to do whatever it wants.

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>>14658139
20 episodes of fuking nothing like KILL ME NOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM WATCHING AND LOSING MY TIME ON..

>>14658156
Welcome to 90s.

>>14658077

I just wish we could have seen more of her performances.

What would've perfected Plus for me would have been if they had played Information High in its entirety, extending the reentry scene and adding in more of her city-wide appearances to do so.

>>14655145
Who fukin care if Kawamori likes idol or not? Macross is only done for the japanese audience because they can't sell shit outside it. Blame Harmony Gold for that.

>>14658207
Macross is not insaly popular in the west tho.

>>14658224
Why do you think it isn't? Simulcast alone can bring a lot of people to it.

>>14658279
No one would still buy the BDs/CDs.

>>14658306
You don't know shit about it. People are actually buying CD and BD even now that it's isn't licensed in the west because of shit like Harmony gold.

>>14658325
>even now that it's isn't
even if it isn't licensed now*

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>>14655133
> Info High is the only good song in the entire OVA.

Still better than anything from Delta.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMczRJh_OeI

>>14658339
I like this better desu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSrhAxHZYM

Plus is shit. Only nostalgiafags like it.

>>14658392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK5yMWHfqBk

I'm getting tired of Plus & Delta comparison.

There is no point of comparison.
Different make time, different mind set, different market frame, different sponsors.

>>14658553
And different writer and director.

>>14658198
>Information High in its entirety
8:05 minutes of reentry
Stop it, I can only get this hard.
>>14658306
I live in Europe and would buy music on the spot if it was available. Hell, for Macross, I'll buy Bluerays.
>>14658392
>>14658401
>>14658339
Why not all of them?
>>14658003
Maybe because Plus told it's story in a one take and has great pacing?

>>14655306

plus is my favorite music. just because it isn't jpop trash doesn't mean it's not likeable.

>>14658746
Plus music was trash to me though.

>>14652694
Man, that action so fast I can't even enjoy it, dayum Kawamori slow down

>>14658781
Studio Orange is worse than this. Have you ever watched Frontier or any of there show like Majestic prince?

>>14658790
I watched Frontier, I remember it having this kind of action direction too. Just way too fast.

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>>14658780
>Plus music was trash

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>>14658806
Dumb Frogposter.

>>14658139
At this point I'm almost certain it's just one anon that's butthurt over Delta.

>>14658832
Make that two, I just dropped the series. I want my 20x22mins back.

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>>14658835
>I want my 20x22mins back.
get fucked

>>14658835
>no new ip
It's the same one.

>>14658849
Yea I think you might be right, I sometimes forget about my split personality. Do we count for one, or do we count for two? I can never tell. Whatever the answer, this show was a waste of time.

>>14658852
You're a funny guy.

>>14658835

Make that three, though I don't hate it. I just think it's kind of boring. I'm still keeping an eye on it and still watching the episodes, though at this point it normally takes me several days after release to do so and I pause it several times an episode if the melodrama gets tedious because I want to parcel it out. I'm hoping it has a strong finish though. I think it's wasted some of the more interesting and fun parts of the first episode already regardless, and even if they come back at this point it'll still have done nothing with them for most of the show. I know that the anons that hate it don't agree with lack of battlefield idols and dancing battroids being an issue though. They're not the only ones, but certainly the more obvious ones to me.

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>>14658874
>>14658852
>>14658835
>being this mad
fukin kek

>>14658882

You seem pretty mad yourself.

> not even mad though

If you're going to make wild accusations off little and would almost certainly take any refutation as evidence of even more mad, why shouldn't I do the same?

>>14658896
Don't enable that fag, just some braindead loser looking for attention

>>14658882
I'm kind of with them. I don't post in macroas threads anymore because I'm a month or so behind in the show but it's just not doing it for me. Took me a few episodes to get past the idol group thing but I was having fun in the middle, and now it's just boring.

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>>14658896
>You seem pretty mad yourself.
I'm not, I'm just entertained by you guys after passing by for the subs and see the reaction. I'm not 24/7 on delta thread on /m/

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>>14658910
It's kind of funny to see people that just show Delta for Muh completion.

>>14658925
>show
See. fuck, forgive me that.

>>14658928
I'm not seeing it for completion. I was entertained for a while so I kept watching. Now I'm not being entertained, so I'm behind on the series. Is that hard to understand?

>>14658922

That's nice. You imply any of us are, which is just as humorous.

This series is like a fap that just goes on and on but wont let you cum. - Anon No.(Whatever digits I get) Feel free to use it Shoji

>>14649000
What the actual, literal, non-ironic FUCK? THIS is what passes for a "battle scene" in Macross nowadays? It's just the autistic characters showing autism and a flashback no one gives a fuck about. Am I glad I didn't watch this piece of shit.

I'm glad that /m/'s finally come around on Plus. Turns out they just needed something else to be contrarian about.

>>14662369
How contrarian is not liking Delta? Most people have been shit posting, but I think that Delta is highly criticizable, but I'm going to wait until it's all finished before I write anything extensive about it.

>>14662361
Nah, good action was in previous episodes, with proper flying and even better asteroid hoping than what Unicorn has gave us with Sinanju.
Also, budget might be pretty low this time around. Key battles are pretty good and actually slow enough that you can follow action.

>>14662759
> with proper flying and even better asteroid hoping
That was before magical super buffs were introduced. And before MC was drained of any sort of personality he had.

>>14662772
>drained of any sort of personality he ha
Well, him being Freya's puppet is kind of a point here, really.

>>14662867
More-like he's basically your mold for japs to self-insert into.

>>14662872
With tragic past (tm), yes.
But stereotypes aren't bad and at this point in the story it still works later on. Hell, Alto did.Mostly.

>>14662890
Alto fucked Sheryl by now. That was at least fucking SOMETHING. I mean, as long as it sells, but it sucks.

>>14662872
He's not Hikaru though. He was the most bland blatant self-insert MC of them all. There are harem VN main characters that have more personality than Hikaru.

>>14663121
At least Hayate was Isamu-lite in the beginning. Hikaru was a faggot from start.

>>14663131

Hikaru started by flying in to Roy's aerial demonstration and mucking it up, making everyone, himself and Roy included, then made a joke of the whole show by his presence before joking around with Roy and reminiscing about the old days. Which is a good start to me. Then again, I like Hikaru.

>>14663139
And from there his entire personality was defined by which girl he wanted to fuck. He had nothing else outside of that.

>>14663327
Same as Delta.

>>14663345
Not even close. Hayate isn't interested in fucking Mirage. And at least he has something with his father being a supposed traitor. Hikaru is a wet piece of cardboard.

>>14663466
Hayate is almost as cardboard-y now. He literally screams WAIFU! during battles and runs to protect her no matter what. Probably ignoring orders or something. Literally prime self-insert material. He started nice, though. Who am i kidding where was the last time we hard Arad doing something during fights.

>>14663471
Why do you keep posting your final thoughts in spoiler brackets?

>>14655145
Based Plus Eurobeat>Your shitty forgettable Jpop made by 15 years old sex slaves under slavery
Idols were a mistake

>>14663492
For fun.

>>14663493
>15 years old
And then i remember JUNNA is literally fifteen. And then i remember how actually fucked up is idol industry. Poor girl.

>>14663493
I don't remember a single Plus songs.

>>14663493
Junna shit on every Plus singer and she's only 15 years old. HOLSTHIST.

>>14663471
Hayate is the best Macross MC.

>>14663509
Because they were not used for every fucking battle sequence.

>>14663493
>Plus songs
>Eurobeat
Are you retarded.

>>14663466
The issue is that his father being a supposed character feels like something attached to him, instead of part of his character. It doesn't seem to be motivating his behavior at all, which IS bad writing.

>>14663517
That would be Isamu. Hayate is cardboard cutout-tier now for nips to self-insert into.

>>14663518
What a mistake that was.
It just aint Macross if there isn't a pop song playing in the fight sequences.

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>>14663493
>Plus Eurobeat
>Eurobeat

>>14663526
0/10 bait, son.

>>14663525
Hayate is hardly a self-insert in my oppinion.

>>14663528
Were the threads this awfull and full of butthurt when Frontier was airing?

>>14663533
Than you're oh-so-wrong. He's literally every fucking otaku projection: he fight and protects his waifu no matter what. Not garystu enough to be next coming of Jesus Yamato though. That would be Keith.

>>14663536
It was even worse.
All those people pitching an utter shitfit because muh highschool setting ruining anime forever.

>>14663541
He isn't in my opinion and i think you're the one who is "oh-so-wrong."

>>14663536
Threads are always awful and full of butthurt no matter the show which is airing.

>>14663546
Yea, he just happens to be a huge waifufag in show. During war. He started pretty nice. Too bad they dropped his character into trashcan.

>>14663544
Not to mention the shippers.

I've never quite understood the people who delude themselves into thinking there will be a genuine love triangle out of some misguided hope that their favorite girl will "win" the protagonist, despite Kawamori having said numerous times that he wants to take the love triangles out of Macross.

>>14663558
It's called 'autists will always find a way to sperg out'.

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>>14649000

>>14663557
I don't understand. What is a "Waifufag?"

>>14663565
Take a wild guess.

>>14652604
eh... lets be honest, Minmei's songs were that great, either. for a show about the power of pop music, the music was extremely weak.

>>14663541
Otaku self inserts are cardboard cutouts who are passive to the extreme and will never choose a girl regardless of said girls obvious affection for him.

>>14663579
How do you explain Jesus Yamato then?

>>14663578
Minmay has a good range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALJRek80zXw

SDF had few songs compared to Delta/Frontier/7

>>14663584
Kira was more of a power fantasy self-insert than a romantic self-insert.

>>14663565
>>14663577
urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Waifu

It doesn't make sense.

>>14663591
Considering Hayate is also boosted by Freyja into super-powerful-ace state, it's close.

>>14663591
Not an otaku thing.
More of a fujoshi thing.

>>14663611
Actually both. Japanon explained it somewhere on /m/.

>>14663600
>Hayate is also boosted by Freyja into super-powerful-ace state
Hayate gets "boosted" into soulless brainwashed mutant state. Not quite the same thing

SDF: Great show that overstays its welcome and misses its own themes in favor of "muh love triangle". Still good.

Everything since: mediocre at best, horrible on average.

Macross II: fanfic
Macross 7: tumblr-tier fanfic
Macross plus: gorgeous animation, mediocre plot
Macross Zero: same as plus, but with CG
Macross Frontier: muh love triangle and little else until the finale
Macross Delta: literally tumblr

I had to watch all these shitty show to realize Macross grazes space opera once and then just shits all over the genre.

>>14663626
That was once. And he wasn't actually fucking 'zerking, for fucks sake.

Delta has some good track:
https://my.mixtape.moe/rlcbzh.mp3
https://my.mixtape.moe/gvsttq.mp3

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>>14663629
>This entire post

>>14663631
Is the first track a Scinfaxi theme? Because it's literally it mashed up with Hrimfaxi one.

>>14663636
fuck off back to /aceg/ you insufferable shit.

>>14663639
Literally triggered, little /a/spie. 2nd one is pretty legic though.

>>14663636
The first one is "Dog Fight" & the 2nd is Rhapsody in C Minor.

>>14663643
2nd one is good i guess. Too bad they use the same idolshit every fucking dogfight.

>>14663631
Why does it feel like i've never listen them in the show? I only remember the 1st one from the 1st trailer.

>>14663658
Knights theme is also pretty good.
>Why does it feel like i've never listen them in the show?
Because you usually don't. Its idolshit almost every fucking action moment that matters.

>>14663600

He also has no negative traits, has two girls hanging off him that he's completely oblivious to and hasn't displayed any personality besides a desire to help Freyja in multiple episodes. He seems like prime self insert material to me. The only flash of personality he's had in a good while was getting mad at Arad.

>>14663663
And he did not change after Messer's death.

>>14663658
Most of them are the background music they use for the vocal songs.

>>14663663
>that he's completely oblivious to
Are we watching the same show?

>>14663676
They should have fucked LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ago.

>>14663670

I'm still annoyed he shot down Keith with no real fan fare or consequence the next time they fought.

>>14663681
Keith is not even reacting to him, like he did to Messer. And MC insead of getting good is literally buffed.

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>>14663631
>https://my.mixtape.moe/gvsttq.mp3
>that instrumental version of the opening
Pretty good.

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>>14663663
>this entire post

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>>14663690
>implying

>>14663676

I don't know, are you watching the one where he's only ever treated Freyja like a friend despite obvious signs of attraction on her part and when asked about his feelings for her said she wasn't a friend but that partner and so on didn't sound right either? He's made no sign he even realises her feelings even if he almost certainly reciprocated them despite himself. He's as dense as a black hole and even characters in the show joke about it.

>>14663697
Why can't we have second coming of Isamu who actualyl fucks everything that moves?

>>14663690

> I have no point so I'll post a reaction face and hope that's enough

>>14663696
>>14663696
You're all so wrong.

>>14663715
>>14663704

>>14663629
Blame the producers. They went from 40something to "no, it's going to be 27 episodes" to "scratch that, it's 36" once the ratings for the first batch of episodes arrived. They screwed all the pacing of the series and forced to outsource animation that looked like shit.
I do like Plus even besides the gorgeous animation. I agree with everything else.

>>14664306
I can't imagine Delta being even MORE dragged out. They spent a whole episode doing nothing but showing a Windermerean speech that amounted to "NUNS are dicks and we're fighting them" and another whole episode just saying that music is important in Macross-verse and now apparently even MINMAY was literally magic in contrast to the entire point of "Do You Remember Love?"

Also did you know Windermereans have short lifespans? Because if you forgot we'll remind you at least two or three times each episode.

>>14664731
Delta is aimed at otaku crowd, but fuck, sometimes it feels they think their audience are literal retards.

>>14649000
Frontier is where it's at. Delta sucks SERIOUS dick.

>>14667030
Frontier was SDF 2.0 with bugs, hence why it was decent to good.