>the EFF are the good guys.

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>>14625665
>the zeeks are the good guys
Reminder that the Titans did nothing wrong.

zeek wank

>>14625665
Titans aren't EFF, any more than the AEUG is. You saw tons of people on the Argama in EFF uniforms.

the only ones that did no wrong, was Londo Bell, AEUG, Karaba, and League Militaire

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>>14625665
>Defending humanity and Earth against a Space Terrorist every decade for the past 75 years
>Willing to broker peace for the sake of human perservation
>Goes broke and inept due to constant fighting against said Space Terrorist and some Jovian Bastard but still manage to hold on for sake of humanity
>When some Feminist Empire from space wanted to mind wipe everyone on Earth, EF throw everything they got including the Newtype Sink into the fold.
>Finally folded after nearly 200 years of holding the line
>get called the "Evil Empire' by some bloke on the net


Being EF officer is hard

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>>14625665
Well, yeah, they really are. They're the thin brown (beige? khaki? not too good with colors) line that protects humanity from Crazy Genocidal Spacenoids.

>>14625744
But they're supported by the EF for the majority of the show.

>>14625746
>Londo Bell
>Regular EFF show up to save the day and help push back Axis

>AEUG, Karaba
>Literally founded and lead by former EFF officers. Most of their troops are defectors from the EFF.

>League Militaire
>EFF gives them warships and supplies
>EFF constantly bail out their asses throughout the series
>At the end EFF fleet shows up to do most of the fighting against Zanscare

Literally none of those factions would have gotten anything done if it wasn't for the EFF.

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>>14625728
>>14625665

There never was a "good guy". There is no "good guy" in war.

>>14625972
>Lazy shit ass Feds are natural cowards
>WE HELPED THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DID THINGS

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>>14625900
Fixed

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>>14625665
Has anyone ever shooped Basque's head onto Krang's body? The fucker looks identical.

>>14626552
>EF
>Cowards

Out of all things you have can said, you choose Cowards to associate with EF.

They could have surrendered when Zanscare drop their motorad squad on Earth but instead they choose to fight to the last man

>>14625834
>Goes broke and inept due to constant fighting against said space terrorist
Oh please, the Federation always had a greater production capability than whatever version of Zeon they were facing, and they were inept at the start of it all too. They were being inept when they allowed the Principlaity/Republic of Zeon to develop an actual army.

>>14625972
The AEUG and Karaba wouldn't have had to get things done if the Titans didn't exist. The Titans are actually a part of the EFF, unlike people who defect from the EFF.

>>14626709
Wasn't the Dublin drop allowed by the EF? I'm pretty sure the leadership was in Holland.

>>14627938
Aeug and Karaba are also part of the federation. That's why Blex went to earth, to lobby against the Titans. They're all different "political parties". Zeta was basically a civil war until Haman got involved.

>>14627938
USA have greate production capability in the world but their little war in Iraq and Afghanistan nearly destroy their economy.

EF was being attack numerous time,

0079-Zeon
0083-Operation Stardust
0087-Gryps Conflict
0088-First Neo Zeon War
0093-2nd Neo Zeon War
0096-The Sleeves
0115=Cosmo Babylonian war

In the span of only 36 years the EF have fought 7 times and 3 of them can be considered a major conflict. Imagine USA had to fought China 3 times and have some normal skirmishes with taliban,ISIS or any other terrorist group for 36 years.

>>14625955
Who then supports AEUG, did you watch the show? Even at the start AEUG is mostly made up of EFF who are against the Titans and Zeon remnants.

>>14628433
All very well and good, but you forget something. In your scenario, where do the various Zeonic movements get their weapons?

Operation Stardust used leftovers and Axis supplies (I think).

Gryps Conflict involved Anaheim and Axis, 2nd Neo Zeon War was also Anaheim and Axis, the Sleeves were yet again made up of Anaheim suits, as well as leftovers from (assumedly) alt-unverse A Baua Qu falling through a wormhole.

All that raises the question of just how much space nazi gold was floating around the colonies in order to bankroll 3 whole campaigns, or how just how much money the federation is giving Anaheim to give Neo/NeoNeo/NeoNeoNeo Zeon mobile suits.

>>14628780
The answer is directly out of their ass.

There is still no decent reason for how the hell Zeon keeps getting new weapons. There have been some handwavery "Anaheim supplies them" or "M'Quve just got THAT much gold", but the more Zeon uprisings that get retconned in, the more absurd the logistics get.

Gundam has never cared that hard about the details. There is another Zeon uprising, just roll with it.

>>14628788
Well I know that, hopefully we all know that, but i'm just trying to fix this guy's analogy.

Knowing that your average spacenoid patriot is capable of pulling 2 Zaku-equivalents out of their ass on command, the only in-setting reason the Federation isn't capable of the same is because their either incredibley inept, or incredibley inept and broke. And if they are broke, it's seemingly their own fault. What kind of idiot pays Anaheim for suits.

>>14628804

> What kind of idiot pays Anaheim for suits.

You mean what kind of idiot pays an arms manufacturer for the manufacture of weapons? To which the answer is most countries since the birth of arms manufacturers. I'm not even sure why you think it's a bad thing. Like, do you think they should just take them by force? Which would result in a load of sub standard weapons since the manufacturer has no incentive to make them good when money is removed from the equation. Or maybe you mean they shouldn't deal with AE at all, which is even more silly, since they're the industry leaders and even if they make their own they're still going to have to pay an equal out, even if it's in research, development and manufacturing instead of a single payment for a finished product.

>>14629307
The joke was that Anaheim is apparently willing to just hand MS out like candy to whatever Zeon uprising happens to be fighting this week.

>>14628780
Remember Odessa? Zeon mine that place so deep it's enough to feed the Zeon war machine for another decade or 2

Zeon Apologia is basically the sort of shit you read on Free Republic regarding Conservatism.

"ZEON CANNOT FAIL, IT CAN ONLY BE FAILED"

Coincidentally, much like modern day conservatives, Zeon doesn't give a single rotten fuck about actual human rights or emancipation from a supposedly corrupt system. It just wants to be on top, and it has never cared about how many corpses it needs to climb to do so.

>>14625955
and if you tell a Titan they're EF, you can look forward to them smacking you in the face and spitting on you when you're down for daring to equate them to the lowly rank and file.

They serve the same government, but they don't see themselves as the same group. The show makes this distinction clear several times early on (things like Bright getting beaten for speaking out of turn and forgetting his place with Bask, Lila's disdain for the elitist attitudes of the Titans, etc.)

>>14628780
>Operation Stardust used leftovers and Axis supplies (I think).

Also some handouts from Anaheim.

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>>14629405
From some dialogue in CCA it SEEMS that char made some deals and paid out the Ass for AE to make his MS

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>>14629895
Char traded the sweet Ideon-tech he acquired to AE for all the MS he could ever want.

>>14629895it

It wouldn't be surprising, he paid a literal case of gold for Axis after all. Which the Federation accepted because while he/Zeon had free cash they needed his gold just to pay welfare costs.

>>14629609
>accurately describes neo-liberalism
>projects it onto cuckservatives
>cue muh brand of zeon dot bmp

I'm sure your infallible brand of liberalism has never been tried before, and only conservatives are to blame if it fails.

Oh wait, that's fucking retarded.

>>14629956
>poor people
>on earth

They already shipped those peasants up to the colonies. They're Zeon's problem now.

In reality, the feds just ran out of gold to melt down for all their bitchin parachutes.

I mean, have you ever even seen a golden parachute, anon?

If you did, you'd know exactly why gold gives corrupt Feddies those raging hardons.

There's no way they'd spend that gold on anything else, especially not an underclass.

>>14629609
Seeing as the only thing every iteration of Zeon shares are the people base, are you saying it's the people who desire to be on top?

If you meant the leadership of each iteration (in which case I can agree with you), to amalgamate each government into a singular Zeon is misleading.

The EFF really have never been portrayed as good guys. They're always been depicted as various combinations of oppressive, corrupt, shortsighted, selfish, incompetent, cowardly, etc. The Zeon types are just worse, generally. And only a little.

>>14632753
Literally murdered six billion people vs Letting people murder a few million and two gassings by elements that weren't even under the authority of proper military or political bodies.

>>14625665
Zeon is worse

>>14632693
>Conservative faced with criticism can only resort to deflecting to MUH LIBERALS

>>14632753
No, that's the EF government. The EFF is uniformly shown to be, aside from a few incompetent officers here and there, made up of good, brave dedicated people who will do what's right, be it forming the AEUG to fight the Titans, hurling their GM III's towards Axis, or fighting against Zanscare despite the orders of their government.

>>14636761
With the death of Revil the government was transferred to a feeble civilian rule, weak and useless.

We have a glimpse light of hope when Stern Mubarak comes into play but sadly he died.

>>14627863
Did you forget the times most of the top of the EF goverment either made deals with Zeon or having a nice feast while they were about to be attacked?