the only good thing gundam related in the past 15 years. why

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"But isn't Io a girl's name?"

>>14622785
because it was shit

>>14622788
Were those Zeon going to gangrape him? As far as I've head thats right up the ally of the guy who wrote Thundefanfiction.

>>14622785
Actually as you get older and start growing facial hair, making money rather than living off an allowance, and have more human interaction, the peace and understanding messages seem more impactful than "child gets everything he wants"

>>14622785
You are not welcome here, Woolie.

>>14622796
Eh, not when its supposed soldiers in the middle of a battlefield refusing to actually fight properly.

There's a time for diplomacy and mercy, and its not right in the middle of a fight when your teammate's lives are on the line from the other side in their heavily armed robots shooting at you.

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>>14622793
No. Chances are they were just trying to free the trapped prisoners so they wouldn't suffocate and die in the crashed carrier cause Zeeks actually have a conscious unlike Feddies, but Io murdered them all cause he's an edgemaster who would probably be a serial killer if not for the One Year War.

Here comes the REAL brain scratcher though. How did they all get off the ship without getting blow up by a random Feddie GM? They can't go in a lifepod cause Thunderbolt, 08th MS Team and MS IGLOO have shown that Feddies LOVE shooting Zeon lifepods, since lifepods can't fight back. They can't sortie in any left behind MSes cause there's too many of them, plus they'd just get shot by any nearby GMs or Amuro.

>>14622785
What's wrong with build fighters? It wasn't the best ever, but it was really enjoyable.

>>14622834
>but Io murdered them all cause he's an edgemaster
>people destroy your home and your colony
>want to kill you, your family and your dog too
>want to conquer earth out of pure greed
>declared war on you first
>did so by gassing a colony and then using it as a bomb on your planet
>literally the worst and most evil faction in human history since forever

>killing them means being an edgemaster

"No I can't kill them, I'll be like them if I counterattack!"

>>14622796
They stop being impactful when all the argument the MC has going for him is "I am the superior pilot, my robot is stronger than all yours combined and if you don't follow me I can easily kill you because I'm the voice of the writer" which can aptly describe all the MC from SEED, AGE and G-Reco.
00 went into full retard territory so it doesn't count.

>>14622836
it exists to sell toys

>>14622850
>They stop being impactful when all the argument the MC has going for him is "I am the superior pilot, my robot is stronger than all yours combined and if you don't follow me I can easily kill you because I'm the voice of the writer" which can aptly describe all the MC from SEED, AGE and G-Reco.
>SEED, AGE and G-Reco

Nah, even Kira was more bearable as an MC in SEED.

>>14622864
So an honest view of Gendum in general?

>>14622785
What makes it good?

>>14622785
>why can't there be more stuff like this instead of muh ideals, muh peace, muh understanding, and retarded politics?

Because Gundam was always about muh ideals, muh peace, muh understanding, and retarded politics, dumb newfag

>>14622847
>Why couldnt we just kill all the nazi POWs????

Retard

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>>14622887
Even at his most Understanding Amuro still killed the shit out of his enemies in a fight, and he would do so in really underhanded or brutal ways too.
He was certainly not a pacifist when it came to the battlefield.

>>14622872
Ok now I know you're a troll or a retard, good night.

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>>14622785
If only you knew.

>>14622813
>and its not right in the middle of a fight when your teammate's lives are on the line

You say this like Io really cares that much about his brothers in arms.

>>14622952
I really, REALLY want Bandai to adapt the rest now.

Not even because I particularly like it, I just want to watch all the people riding the ONA's dick lose their shit when they see how ridiculous the Earth-side story has gotten.

>>14622894

His maximum understanding was prior to his re-entry into combat during the events of Zeta Gundam. And he re-entered combat by suicide charging a cargo plane into an enemy mecha. The man, the myth, the legend has always been a manslayer.

>>14622999
How are you figuring him in early Zeta was 'understanding'?

He wasn't really stumping for it so much as he was coping with low-grade trauma from the past war combined with paranoia from being under EF house arrest for years.

His attitude isn't 'think about the enemy', it's 'what can a mess of a person like me do?'

>>14622981
You're mistaking one anon for another

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>>14622793
>>14622834
>Animeonly fags

>>14623016

Didn't he partly accept exile because at this time he accepted the viewpoint that humanity was not ready to confront the Newtype question in a civil manner, and that civilization would be better served by his absence from public life?

>>14623027
Goddamn that pistol is fucking powerful if it blows peoples heads apart like that. Also that's pretty edgy.

>>14622864
Thunderbolt is trying to sell toys too

>>14622785
>gundam related in the past 15 years. why can't there be more stuff like this instead of muh ideals, muh peace, muh understanding, and retarded politics?
Thunderbolt had all of that. Did you watch the last episode?

>>14623123

all he saw was grorious pictory for jeon and rape for white feddie piggu

>>14623123
>/m/
>watch something all the way through, even when it's this short

You're a cut-up, you are!

>>14623123

Did it really have that much muh peace and muh understanding though?

Thunderbolt was great because

-no haros
-quickly got to the point
-minimal presence of children
-jazz instead of shitty japanese pop music
-real stakes

>>14622836
>>14622864
Build Fighters is objectively the best.

>>14623207
Thunderbolt was shit because
>garbage dialogue
>no haros
>generic edgelord MC/not!SweetJP
>somehow made freeform jazz sound awful
>no stakes due to uninteresting mannequin cast and no tension

>>14622785
Because it was trash and shits in the face on what Gundam is any good at. I knew /m/ was gonna wank it though.

I knew /m/ was gonna wank this though

>there should be a gundam with killing and no fucks given
>Like real war righe
>and the MC should be an asshole XD

Like hey lets make a Gundam series with no likeable characters, boring mecha design, and an alternative jazz soundtrack to immerse the children and make them think its deep.

If you think Thunderbolt was great than you have fallen for the bait harder than anyone buying BF models EVER could.

>>14623221
you're just mad it wasn't 52 episodes and didnt beat every point into the fucking ground

I can't even tell who's trolling who at this point.

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>>14623234
Maybe if it was 52 episodes and had characters worth caring about it wouldn't be shit. Enjoy your edgemaster ONA and full retard manga.
>mfw atlas design

>>14623207
>no haros
There are no Haros. How this impacts anything I don't know.
>quickly got to the point
You can't get to a point when you don't have one.
>minimal presence of children
the only legit point you made, and technically there were more children in Thunderbolt than there were in other series of UC Gundam.
>jazz instead of shitty japanese pop music
Jazz is cool, but Thunderbolt's is kinda meh. I don't know what you're on about with the J-pop comment.
>real stakes
Like what? They literally say numerous times that it's ONLY people from Side 4 that are operating in that area because they want revenge. There are no stakes because Moa/Moore is a worthless location with no strategic value since the war is literally in it's final days.

>>14622813
>Eh, not when its supposed soldiers in the middle of a battlefield refusing to actually fight properly.

When did this happen recently?

>>14623243
If you think Thunderbolt was edge, your point of reference is embarrassingly small, maybe you'd like to talk about this in /a/

>>14623037
>action in war fiction is now edgy
Is Teletubbies the only /m/ approved show?

Actually I find that Thunderbolt goes in its own rather hamfisted way of exploring how war is hell.

You have on both sides people who don't want to be "that guy," the guy with war crimes on their conscience, and just want to be able to return to that ordinary pre-war life where you didn't put your life on the line every day because you've been told it'll protect those of higher rank than you or whatever bull the brass claims, and yet are constantly abused and taken advantage of by people who have some sort of circumstantial position of authority with which to say "no, fuck you, we're going to commit war crimes because fuck those shits on the other side, they have to die, we've suffered too much to allow for niceties."

It's this story of how war just ruins people, truly brings out the worst in them. The lead characters are an adrenaline junkie who's gradually being corrupted into a war-addicted sociopath, and a career soldier who would gladly accept the unnecessary amputation of additional limbs just so he can fight better.

I like it from a thematic standpoint but at least in the case of the ONA it's about as subtle as a brick to the face: war isn't fun.

Also fuck snipers.

>>14622796

/thread. Thanks anon.

on a side note, what happened recently with so much "I am 12 years old, I am edgy because this new series that I like, overthrown the old series, and you are all idiots for not understanding that" thread?

is summer not over yet?

>>14623296

>I like it from a thematic standpoint but at least in the case of the ONA it's about as subtle as a brick to the face: war isn't fun.

And don't forget those literal fresh off the academy pilots who basically got wasted in the EFSF/Moore Brotherhood's search for more Newtype pilots, how many of them actually survived anyway?

>>14623320
That was pretty damn retarded, the guy who made this manga js a massive hack who shat out something that was basically fanfic-tier

>>14623320
Going by the scene where the Gelgoogs show up, looks like most of them actually made it.

>>14623340
At least it isn't Transformers vs GI JOE
What the fuck was IDW smoking when they made that.

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>>14622864
So, just like the entire franchise since day 1 you mean. Don't even try to kid yourself here bro, you're watching something primarily intended for children and manchildren.

>>14623303
Summer is never over.

>>14623375

>looks like most of them actually made it.

During the resupply scene the manifest was shown to have 4 Guncannons, 20 GM Cannons, 12 Balls, 40 containers and 40 pilots. And then during the scene before Darryl's sneak attack we saw the Zaku took down at least 5~6 Guncannons/GM Cannons and the Rick Dom took down at least another 5 (which is almost half of the MSs). So IFF the remaining half are lucky enough there might be around 10 or so that made up along with any Balls that don't get insta-gib'd

>>14623398

>Manchildren

Considering how most Sunrise's attempts to attract new long term Gundam fans pretty much failed, I sometimes wonder if Gunotas (the Japanese variety that actually grew up with Gundam) are a bunch of old jaded lot that won't be satisfied until Sunrise does nothing but OYW / GBF S1 fanwanks

>>14623150
literally the opposite
>Daryl practically orgasming over how great it is to be so good at killing in such an awesome suit
>torture
>Io knows how good it feels to be so good at killing, and reminds Daryl of it
>credits are the brutal battle of A Baoa Qu

worst ''jazz'' ever

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I really didn't care for it that much. Pretty good mecha porn for sure though. The fatalism aspect was also interesting.

I still prefer shows with more meaningful themes though.

>>14623607
Hah, the Zack thinks its a Leo space type

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>>14622952
I actually prefer this over 1st arc.

>>14622891
In the pacific theater they did kill japanese POWs as the norm.

>>14623037
This is kinda /k/ but would you use a higher or lower caliber round for a pistol in zero g?

>>14623607
Christ, that's the best animation Sunrise can offer in 2016? Awful.

>>14622785
>the only good thing gundam related in the past 15 years. why can't there be more stuff like this instead of muh ideals, muh peace, muh understanding, and retarded politics?

Ha ha ha. Thunderbolt is the shittiest Gundam to have been made since 0083. Graphics alone cannot save it. If Graphics is your only meter of judgement just stare at Gundam pachinko videos all day long. That ought to satisfy you.

>>14625121
>Japanese soldiers are told by crazy ass fanatic officers that they'd be slaughtered if they surrendered to the US, fanatics blow up US corpsmen and medics trying to help them using hidden grenades.
>Angry Marines in isolated incidents don't help matters.
>Russians invade Manchuria and all that entails.
Learn to history anon.

>>14623221
>>somehow made free form jazz sound awful
That's because freef orm jazz is awful

All you have to do is give an tape a saxophone to an epileptic's mouth and put a strobing light in front of him and that's exactly how free from jazz sounds.

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>>14622785

>Only good thing in 15 years

Is Stargazer really that old?

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>>14626762
no it isn't, OP is just making a general statement because he's too much of a fag to bother checking first.

>>14625125

Low, it means less recoil which means your aim will be thrown off less. And god help you if you tried using an automatic weapon. Recoil would potentially have you spinning in midair if you took too many shots.

>>14626762
>>14626774
>Stargazer
>Good
It may be the best thing out of CE, but that still doesn't mean it's anthing above mediocre.

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>>14626807

>Best thing out of CE
>Not Astray

I just wanted to be amused for fourty minutes without an autistic god-child having a spack attack. And I got what I wanted.

>>14625322

The problem was there wasn't enough combat to go with the top quality animation. 0083 is worth watching because it had so many battles and engagements from skirmish to fleet levels. Thunderbolt is basically a series of bumrushes and cripple hunting with one decent showdown. The amount of screentime that the retarded children scene ate up was absolutely criminal.

>>14622785
I totally agree OP. You could actually, potentially, show Gundam Thunderbolt to a normal human being, one that hasn't been innoculated against anime autism by watching it from a young age. That's how solid it is.

It's a short work, sure. Each part was like 18 minutes long or something; and yet when you look at those minutes, they're extremely well organized. Thunderbolt flows like a Guy Ritchie movie where basically every other Gundam series tends to get paced down in meandering philosophical exposition and general anime cringeworthy autistic dialogue.

Beyond that the general sense of direction and music were top notch. Even if you hated the Jazz (it's hit or miss really) the rest of it was pretty much as good as it gets, probably better musical direction than any previous Gundam in terms of how it gets incorporated into the scenes and the general feel of music, although they fucked up by having people sing in Engrish.

I think it's funny some of you try to say that it's not as "deep" as other Gundams. You're basically showing your immaturity in thinking there's anything especially profound about any of the other series. All the central themes relating to how much war sucks are present. The rest of it is presented in such a well-executed fashion that I only wish there was more of it, but clearly there are also budget constraints associated with a production like that.

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Aside from maybe Gundam AGE (which I've never watched), the Gundam franchise has never strictly been about LOL UNDERSTANDING.
While Understanding has either served to elevate the main theme, or served as one of the messages of a Gundam show, it's never been the main focus.

For a large part of the UC series, the message has always been a combination of how war can drag people of any kind into it, how war is waged by the older generation who are blinded by their prejudices. IMO, the main theme has always been that Humanity's future is to be driven by our youth; that it is the job of the older generation to help guide them down the right path, ultimately letting go, and leaving the big decisions up to the discretion of the younger generation.

Even 00, the show the pioneered the UNDERSTANDING meme and had Understanding plastered on the final shot of the series, went over this concept heavily.
How often were Lockon's words repeated?: "Setsuna, it is up to you to change in my place who could not."
Lockon was that "older generation blinded by prejudice", who ultimately led Setsuna into choosing his own fate. Setsuna had to change. Humanity had to change.

Not only that but aside from understanding, another one of the underlying themes is that the mindset of valuing ones own Peace over the whole, while understandable, is the kind of ignorance that allows great evil to act freely. Remember what Tieria said to Saji after the latter inadvertently destroyed the Katharon base?: "I'm different.", "It has nothing to do with me.", "It's all happening in a different world." Turning away from reality like that is just a kind of inadvertent malice...

In the finale, Saji repeats this idea. Admitting that in order for peace to be achieved, everyone has to take part.

>>14626981
And people say IBO brought new retards to the franchise, You make me wish that Space Buddhist gets animated just ti shut you retards up

>>14626841
>Ashtray
no thanks

What volume does the anime end on?

>>14627382
>space buddhist
Wat

>>14622785
>He honestly thinks MUH GRUNTS, MUH DEAD INSIDE OPERATORS, MUH WAR IS HELL, MUH RANDOM BODY HORROR is any better

Ladies and gentleman, the modern Gundam fandom.

>>14627426

The modern Gundam fandom wants more IBO, not more Thunderbolt.

>>14627382
Sorry but I've been a Gundam fan for about 15 years now. I have always, always wanted more material similar to 0080, 0083, 08th MS etc. so TB was a godsend after years of pandering to teenagers with all the shitty, neutered AU series.

Maybe the manga ends up sucking, I haven't read it, but the thing they just animated was superbly well done as far as Gundam goes.

>>14627426
lol, modern Gundam fandom is teenagers and young adults that loved SEED, AGE, 00, IBO, etc. It's only tween/teen shitters that need more giant swords and waifus that bitch about gritty Gundam OVAs.

>>14627580
>I have always, always wanted more material similar to 0080, 0083, 08th MS etc. s
>0083 and 08th MS

So you just have shit taste? Gotcha

>>14623251

Gundam AGE.

>>14627426
>putting "muh" in front of stuff validates my criticism

all of those things are great, especially when they're being used to subvert a genre that's frequently about chosen ones, the power of feelings, completely puerile portrayals of "war" that are resolved by having your cake and eating it too

when you're a babby you watch GI joe. when you're an adult you watch Full Metal Jacket. it isn't hard to understand why. but then again i'm posting on a board full of people that watch toku. maybe some of you take great comfort in the safety and predictability of children's programming. that would make perfect sense.

>>14627677
>when you're a teenager you watch Full Metal Jacket
ftfy

>>14627689
Teenager? I was ten when I saw that movie, the year it came out in theatres.

>>14627689
yeah you're right it was so bad wasn't it? kubrick really fucked it up, what a real stinker it was!

also Band of Brothers, what a bad series; muh gritty grunts amirite? why did they have to be so EDGY and make it about MUH GRUNTS right? why can't they make a show or movie about a teenager and his teenage friends on a carrier staffed entirely by other pretty teens, where he discovers that he's the special one that's going to kill Hitler with the power of friendship? maybe a will they/won't they romance can get resolved by the end so i can pretend to have a girlfuurendo for just a little longer in my brain.

This is the 2nd Gundam first taste plot armor defeat in the series after Kira.

>>14622952
>KSA, Iran, China, India, Vietnam, and part of Australia all in the same blob

>>14622785
Ronald Reagan-other side is amazing

The manga is even better, it's OYW porn done right.
Good writers are gone from Sunrise anyway, and the best Gundam OVA (0080) was written by fucking Yamaga 30 years ago.

Stardust Memory was pretty but a fucking disaster, and 08th MS Team had its high points but a ridiculous ending, might as well go full retard and into Front Mission: dog life territory with good production values, it still beats the boredom of IBO and the 00 pandering of GBF.

I liked it a lot but I can understand some of the sperg out for it being set during the OYW instead of being it's own AU.

I especially appreciate the part where it's made clear that the Zeon side isn't all there by choice which makes sense in a space nazi empire.

Also I admire that they were willing to use free jazz to set against the chaotic battles even though some of it was pretty hard to like.

>>14622894

> Even at his most Understanding Amuro still killed the shit out of his enemies in a fight
> Posts a picture of a fight where Amuro specifically didn't kill his enemy but had a conversation with him after sparing them

>>14628962
>Sparred him

He prevented his escape by grabbing his escape ball and forcibly jamming it into a asteroid colony falling to earth so that if he failed in stopping the drop Char would at least go down with him. How is that sparing him?

>>14628970

Because he could have actually killed him and didn't? Jamming him in to a falling asteroid isn't killing gim, since he wants to stop that asteroid - all he was doing was ensuring Char wouldn't escape and in a worst case scenario would face the consequences if his own actions.

Thunderbolt fags are even worse cancer than G-Reco fags

>>14628996
They're the same people, UCfags and Tominofags. They're delusional fanboys who'll never admit that Seed, 00, and IBO are better than their shit.

>>14629009
>They're delusional fanboys who'll never admit that Seed, 00, and IBO are better than their shit.

Nice false flag, tominocuck

>>14622785
The Good
Japanese rediscover shading
Dark and gritty take on war and combat
Action scenes are generally well done and tense (Zaku 1 vs Io with Sean as bait was particularly intense)
Interesting ideas like the Living Dead division and Thunderbolt sector
Sneaky beam saber death in episode 4
Epilogue Mecha porn and Ronald Reagan

The bad
Mediocre script
Generally unlikeable characters (with the exception of Daryl, Fisher and Sean)
Hit or miss soundtrack
The final battle between Daryl and Io is a clusterfuck of bad CG, choreography and animation.

Hopefully Sunrise will learn from this experience and iron out the kinks for their next production. Something in the vein of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWVE3KWP3dA

>>14627278
Saji fucking up hard and getting Reality'd HARD by Tieria was amazing the first time I watched it.

>>14626762
>Stargazer

It pulled off UNDERSTANDING without NEWTYPE MAGIC really well.

>>14622785
Fuck off, Woolie.

>people always complaining Io is an "unlikeable MC"

do you fucking retards realize that he's basically the antagonist in this particular story? that Daryl is the nice guy who fights for his friends and that Io is kind of a douche? hence the climactic moment of the ONA is Daryl winning?

Io just isn't a mustache-twirling villain though, because the entire point of TB is that these characters are nuanced human beings caught up in war.

>>14628970
>>14628986

Amuro saved Char. Char doomed them both. You can see Amuro's regret written all over his face when he ran every scenario in his head and his only two choices were to survive but being unable to live with himself or to go fuck it this is now a super robot show.

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>>14627796
what does he mean by this?

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This is my experience with Thunderbolt. I enjoyed it.

>>14629839
Io is an uninteresting, edgy faggot.

>>14629385
>>14628918
>Ronald Reagan
Wot?

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>>14630049
I like it

>>14629839
I dunno, Io and Daryl are mirrors of one another, it's disingenuous to say one's the antag and the other the protag just like that.

>>14630049
>>14630056
Likewise. Good stuff.

>>14630053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EbhgOL0XuE

>>14630058
Who would you actually name as the antagonist in the ONA? "War?" At the end of the day, Io is written as being a human being with real relationships with other people and not the worst person ever, but he is easily the closest thing to an antagonist possible. You are not supposed to "like" him.

I mean he literally spends the entire ONA -antagonizing- Daryl about all the friends that he kills and how Daryl is a monster too and on and on, he takes pleasure in administering violence and participates in war for ultimately ignoble selfish reasons. He's a main character because we follow his journey, but he's basically the antagonist too.

>>14630430
>I mean he literally spends the entire ONA -antagonizing- Daryl about all the friends that he kills and how Daryl is a monster too and on and on

Daryl is a fucking sniper, and most of his friends were ALSO snipers who killed most of Io's comrades.

I can totally understand Io antagonizing him.

>>14630452
That's not why Io is doing that anon, he's literally just an asshole.

>>14622834
>MS IGLOO have shown that Feddies LOVE shooting Zeon lifepods
Those were troop transports, and you would note the Zakus climbing out to shoot at the Balls.

>>14630452
Io never shows any anger that his comrades are dying. They even make a point of having him say "Why should I give a shit about these people just because we were born in the same stupid place?" Not once does he ever mention avenging anyone, because Io is a Blood Knight character, he loves battle and adrenaline, to the point of being almost sociopathic. His speech to the child soldiers is probably the closest he gets to some kind of soft emotion, and even then, it's a grim and nihilistic speech... and he never mentions the kids after that.

So yeah I'd understand Io antagonizing him for that reason, if Io ever did anything for that reason. But he doesn't.

>>14629385
45:00 is such a great scene. Excellent use of music and fluid action/choreography
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmSw-JEY9Ag

>>14630380
>Legitimately watching someone from TGWTG

>>14630430
Not that anon, but why must there be a clear cut antagonist? Both character's antagonise each other (some more literally than others), the show goes to some length to humanise both of them. I certainly agree that Darryl's characteristics suit the role of a protagonist more, it's just that I think this is a story about two rivals, and identifying the rivals as the good or bad guy seems irrelevant.

>You are not supposed to "like" him
I have to wonder at that, Gundam has a history of assholes you can love. I don't think that's what you mean by "like", but that doesn't mean it's the only way to actually like a character. Maybe the author had that in mind when writing Io and Darryl, that's just conjecture though.

>>14632932
JUST

>>14622785

In all honesty, I agree.

See, the thing is, I like Gundam. But I have to reluctantly admit that I don't like a lot of Gundamisms - Peace princesses, teenagers, nonlethal KOs, the lack of actual warfare, Tomino's weird dialogue and so on.

I really liked the A Bao Qu sequence of 0079, then 0083 and the concept of the 08th MS Team. Unicorn had great animation, but I felt this sinking thud from Episode 4 onwards when Banagher got religion.

Like, Thunderbolt is basically everything I've wanted from a Gundam series. It's a lot like the 8-minute opening sequence from that Gundam Senki 0081 game stretched out into an OVA. It's pretty good, is what I'm saying.

I really liked that the protagonists on each side were genuinely evenly matched. They even got the same number of lucky breaks!

>>14633185
>Peace princesses, teenagers, nonlethal KOs

These aren't gundamisms, those are Seedisms.

If you want to argue Banana's force push at the end of Unicorn that's more in the camp of newtype nonsense which is a hardcore UCism and ultimately him just trying to smack some sense into people to just shut the fuck up and settle down.

I mean the true Gundamisms are ultimately
>war is not a game
>the youth of a generation bear an unfair burden in dealing with and unfucking the world that adults have left them
>the Earth is precious, but humanity is just as much; death to those who disrespect either.

>>14633199
More like Wingisms. Seed wasn't afraid to kill characters. And Gundam has been all about teenagers since 0079

All of this Buddhist cult things reminds me to Kungfu Boy.

I thought Thunderbolt was pretty good for what it was supposed to be, but I knew as soon as the OVA was announced that we'd be getting a new wave of "Why can't all Gundam be like this?!?!?!?" threads from it.

It's like 08th MS Team but even worse in that regard.

What should i watch for zeon doing zeon stuff? Alternatively what is good for interesting suit designs

>>14632989
If you take my comments back to the thing I'm originally addressing, I'm just trying to explain that you're not necessarily supposed to "like" Io and that if anything he's kind of an antagonist despite this being a "dual MC" kind of story.

There's basically a lot of people bitching about how it's a bad story because it has an "unlikeable MC" when there are two MCs and he's not the one you're really written to like.

>>14633332
I don't see how this is wrong as a sentiment. I want more Gundam like this.

>>14633185
we are of one mind

>>14633332
It's actually sort of funny as pre-ova the manga threads here died quick and most people wrote it off as that zeon wank story with the giant backpacks and thrusters everywhere.

Then it gets some pretty animation and suddenly a bunch of people love it.

>>14633438
MS IGLOO is about a Zeon crew but it's boring and ugly 3DCG

Silly OP, you can't expect a board full of people who like Macross Delta to like something like Thunderbolt.

For all the bitching about Space Buddhists I am still supremely enjoying the manga. You follow a squad of Acguys at first. I just saw a modified Gouf Custom fight two Guntanks. I saw a bunch of scenes actually focusing on the fight between core fighters and dopp pilots. I saw an entire chapter dedicated to two random soldiers sent on a suicide mission that encounter one of the MCs.

The way the author and artist handle the entire feel of the universe is basically everything I can ask for out of a Gundam series. The person that compared it to the 0081 Senki OVA was totally right. It's that and more.

IMO all of the technological and even political retcons do nothing to harm the series except to autismos.

>>14633506

> full of people who like Macross Delta

>>14626721
Its almost as if that's the point

>>14633467
The issue is mostly that that's just not what Gundam is. It's like wanting Kirby to turn into some gritty as fuck horror series; the pieces are there to turn it into one, but the series just fundamentally isn't.

I'm waiting for a newtype MC who gets the religion early on and steadily goes Unholy Avenger on anyone who does have the 'correct feelings', sparing the kids who are just scared and outright stalking down the bitter vets that've developed their various isms to cope with having to kill and kill again alongside the outright nationalist skinheads. Halfway through the MC loses it and kills one of his own for being an -ismist taking out a grudge on a mission-killed enemy unit and has to hide what happened while he meets one of the enemy kids he spared in the beginning of his journey who's become a bitter old fuck with nothing but hate to keep him going and the Main Character just. plain. gives. up. on humanity. and then the psychic conference begins as they broadcast their undying hatred of everything they've seen people become to all sides on the field.

I want to see Newtype Magic ruin an honestly good soul.

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I'm sorry but 00 is the greatest anime of all time

OF ALL TIME

-Cute girls
-Cute boys
-Sexy girls
-Sexy men
-Cute robots
-Thick robots
-Long legged robots
-Action
-Romance
-Space battles
-Conspiracy
-Revolution
-Aliens
-Terrorists
-Global peril
-Important life lessons
-Big guns
-Big swords
-Really big swords
-Really big guns
-Flags

Gundam 00, savior of Gundam, Mecha, and I'd like to think, humanity itself.

Now if you excuse me I'm going to be waiting by the door for Postman-san who's carrying my Metal Build Exia, a.k.a my future wife. The package is due in just three weeks so I better hurry.

>>14633667
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>>14630457
I wish they kept this line in

I think they made Io a bit too sadistic in the anime. In the manga, it's the chase and close brushes with death that get him excited rather than reveling in the torment/deaths of the Zeon forces. He's meant to be an adrenaline junkie

>>14633738
I'm bad at explaining, the concept really sounds that terrible?

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>>14633742
Here's the Full Armor Gundam vs 3 Snipers scene in the manga has some noticeable differences in tone.

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>>14633746
I dunno if it could work or not. I just thought your explanation sounded stupid

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>>14633742
The anime conveys it well enough, hell I swear he outright says that he does it for the rush.

He trolls and goads the enemy because he feels most alive when on the edge, and if he had his way he wouldn't be fighting on the battlefield to get his adrenaline fix (blowing up his home colony really didn't help, where else do you expect him to air race?), but circumstances have him in a situation where the only way to get his rush is to suicidally bumrush the enemy like a nightmare made real.

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>>14633763
Eh, lemme try again, I want to see a newtype character that starts out a peace princess with a slight hate-on for the war junkies, hypernationalists, and admiral rippers and watch that evolve into a fratricide when his buddies commit the atrocities in front of him and eventually turns into full blown psychic malanthropy simply because war turns even the best and brightest examples of humanity into terrible people if it drags on long enough with a heavy enough does of pragmatic brutality and dehumanisation.

Basically a big long-winded and wistful pining after military nobility and wondering where the Red Baron went.

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>>14633788
I want to karla Karla's karlas...

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>>14633789

Not him, but it sounds edgy as hell, because war doesn't usually result in breaking people because they're exposed to the worst in humanity, but in taking away their innocence because of it. It results in people who've done terrible things and sometimes have trouble dealing with it (often after the fact and when they get home, not in the thick of it), not terrible people.

It definitely results in terrible people sometimes, but those people are usually terrible regardless of the war, not because of it.

It basically sounds like you want suffering port as vengeance for all the UNDERSTANDING in Gundam.

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>>14633789
You mean you want someone so unwavering in their beliefs that they become the embodiment of blind justice and attack indiscriminately without recognition of factional allegiance?

I can't say it'd work in that direction, I can't think of how war can crystallize one's convictions, but I can imagine how it shatters the morals and beliefs one starts with in their innocent years as the murkiness of reality conflicts with the absolutism of belief.

Or something.

So how do you go about writing a story about a crusader in reverse?

>>14633824
>sight in on gundam
>it was actually just an unfortunately shaped piece of debris.
I remember doing this a lot in Fallout 4. See what I think is a person in the distance and take a couple shots at him, the run up to realize it was actually just a tree.

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>>14633841
Shawn survives this and somehow his escape pod finds its way to earth

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>>14629385
The only one that's really exceptional there for me is the last con. A lot of Gundam shows have mediocre scripts, and I don't really like a lot of the characters in many of the shows.

And I won't say all the music in a lot of the series was necessarily great, either. Sometimes it was merely adequate, with a few really good pieces. Like, a lot of 08th MS team feels very "generic 90's", and the original Gundam has a few generic, jaunty sounding pieces that are almost deliriously strange when you think about it. They fit the time, but they don't necessarily fit the show, even as goofy as it is sometimes.

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>>14633856
I always like this little bit where Io takes a break to recharge before continuing his hunt

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>>14633866
I also like his use of decoys

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>>14633863
What's that he's inhaling there? Meth?

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>>14633880
Pure Oxygen

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>>14633889

No wonder people thought the OVA was gonna feel rushed. The manga takes two or more entire chapters to cover what was, at best, a three minute fight.

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>>14633817
I just want the counterpoint to UNDERSTANDING, that sometimes looking at the feelings and ideals from all sides of the conflict creates an unruly mess that can make a man throw the baby out with the bathwater or just turn him into an indecisive wreck. There's plenty of room for the ideological commando to UNDERSTAND his enemy and still go ahead and shrug his shoulders after pulling the trigger. Tomino just needs to write more variety into his war is hell and I tend to enjoy extreme counterpoints with my melodrama.

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>>14633825
Clearly it's difficult to do well without careful effort, then again, nothing good is.

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>>14633939
Make that 3 Chapters

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>>14633922

> There's plenty of room for the ideological commando to UNDERSTAND his enemy and still go ahead and shrug his shoulders after pulling the trigger.

That was basically UC, from Amuro to Uso.

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>>14633949
>in the anime Io ignores Fisher cause he's effectively combat noncapable and he knows where Daryl is now.
>in the manga Fisher hides like a sissy faggot coward baby.

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>>14634069
One of the big changes is that Daryl gets away clean here and loses his arm in a different incident that doesn't even involve Io

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>>14634080
End

>>14634080
Oh ho? What incident did he lose his arm?

Please just post the incident. Don't sperg out and post the entire volume it happened in.

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>>14634104
The Zeon crew are ordered into these capsules when the fleet battle starts and Daryl falls asleep. Their ship takes a hit to the crew quarters and then Daryl wakes up missing an arm. They kept part of the scene in the anime which is why Daryl wakes up and a lot of the ship crew around him are also fucked up.

In the manga it seems less personal and more random, but that's war for ya

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>>14633608
I think that's a really silly analogy. Gundam is a series that helped pioneer "real robots" style mecha, it has always been involved in war drama. Many longtime fans of Gundam are old ass men that dig this interpretation of it now. Stuff like TB is not a far stretch.

Honestly I don't care if they keep making "lighter" shows. They kind of have to. I just hope that things like TB continue to be produced alongside them. Frankly it is not nearly as common as the alternative, which is why it makes some of us very excited when they do it. Then sperglords here somehow get mad at that excitement, as if we're only allowed to like the Kirby shit?

>>14633922
Do you actually watch Gundam or do you just read memes?

>>14633846
It feels more like he survived but was recovered by a non-faction group, then went to Earth as a Merc.

>>14633467
There is a difference between people saying "why can't all gundam be like this", and "why can't there be more Gundam like this".

>>14633841
geez. it's way more believable that he survives an off-screen death. similarly way more believable that Daryl's Zaku got away instead of got away after being stabbed next to the cockpit. but these things make for bad TV I suppose

I just watched this, and have 3 thoughts.

1) Dude! Space Heroin!

2) Is this actually a fanfiction? Why are there mass produced Zeongs at the end?!?!!?!

3) I'm glad we finally got to see what a Gundam show would be like if the main character was every bad guy from anime in 1996.

>>14633463
I understand that, but there's another reason people who complain about Io are calling Thunderbolt bad. It suggests to me that they failed to like Darryl as well (I think Darryl is quite boring). I don't think explaining to people that they should like Darryl will actually help them at all like Darryl if they've already made their mind up. Thunderbolt isn't complex, the first impressions of both Darryl and Io will not be subjected to any change.

>>14622785
It's not. Watch try.

>>14622785
>coming from a Turn A hipster

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>>14635620
Not, mass produced they're just part of the same set of Zeong prototypes that Char's is from. Notice how they're numbered 02-04, implying that Char took 01. Since they're complex prototypes, they only managed to completely assemble one of them in time for the Battle

>>14637748

Didn't the original imply that even Char's was only partially assembled due to time, hence the lack of legs?

>>14622785
Because most of us that want to see Gundam shows actually want to see Gundam shows not MD Geist in space you edgelord

>>14637783
Yes, technically none of them were ever fully assembled. They just managed to get Char's combat operational because things were desperate

>>14622796
>the peace and understanding messages seem more impactful
Yeah, we just need to be magic psychics and stop having needs of any kind! We should also just lay down our weapons and pray to every deity under the sun that those other guys with weapons will do the same! We should also, just, y'know, talk to those guys who are killing us in droves. Let's just talk about what they want and what they need, and when they say they want our land, our resources, and the complete eradication of our culture, we should compromise, and surely they will reciprocate because we're magic psychics who are never wrong and no one can disagree with us once we introduce our magic psychic peace ideology to them!

>>14622796
While we're at it, I'd love for you to tell me how achieving "understanding" isn't an example of "child gets everything he wants" when all it amounts to is a magic psychic child saying "I want everyone to stop disagreeing with me!" and then he gets his fucking wish.

>>14639469
>just, y'know, talk to those guys who are killing us in droves.
Really millions of people are dying every day? What planet do you live on anon?

>>14639487
>Really millions of people are dying every day?
No, not at all, no one's ever dying because the magic psychic pacifists saved us all and ended conflict forever with the power of understanding.

>What planet do you live on anon?
Sol 3, colloquially known as "Earth" or "Terra" in my vernacular, which is the third planet in the orbit a yellow star named Sol. Sol 3 possesses one natural satellite called Luna.

>>14639491
>Sol 3, colloquially known as "Earth" or "Terra" in my vernacular, which is the third planet in the orbit a yellow star named Sol. Sol 3 possesses one natural satellite called Luna.

100% pure cringe lol

>>14639517
Wow, I never thought of it that way. Now I truly understand you. SOREDEMO.

>>14639487
>droves = millions
You're a faggot.

>>14634421
If you think people are getting mad at you for liking something, you're the sperglord here.

>>14639529
When there are 7 billion humans, yeah are you dumb?

>>14639469

Actually, if everyone understood each other perfectly, wouldn't that mean everyone would go mad?

Like if you understood an ISIS fighter perfectly, your own worldwide isn't invalid. You would just hate him even more. In fact, you would feel perfectly justified in killing him like an animal, because - "Yeah, I've seen into him. He's a monster. Killing him makes the planet a better place."

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I just want to see giant robots fight each other man. I liked thunderbolt as much as 0079, zeta, 0080, 0083, 08th MS, G Gundam, and Wing. Just give me 60ft tall war machines killing each other with lasers.

>>14639803
This is the kind of attitude that allows banrise to keep vomiting out absolute garbage year after year.

>>14639867

And it's a good attitude to have, because Gundam isn't some high-brow arthouse feature.

>>14635620
>2) Is this actually a fanfiction? Why are there mass produced Zeongs at the end?!?!!?!
The Mass produced Zeongs are actually the least fanfictiony part of Thunderbolt. As >>14637748 pointed out, Char's unit is 01, if the Gunpla decals are any indication. There was never any indication that Zeon didn't plan to mass produce the Zeong.

If anything, he took a simple tiny factlet of the lore and used it to create an easter egg that explains how the Federation got their hands on the Psychommu.

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>>14639929
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>>14639867
And this is the kind of attitude that doesn't let you enjoy a good robot fight.

>>14622785
> the only good thing gundam anime related in the past 15 years
Sounds like bull, let me remember for a minute. In the past fifteen years in regard to Gundam I enjoyed Kidou Senshi Z Gundam: A New Translation if you count that, Kidou Senshi Gundam Unicorn for the animation since the plot was poop, Gundam-san was hilarious, G no Reconguista was most Gundam FUN since G Gundam and it came from Tomino, Kidou Senshi Gundam: The Origin and Kidou Senshi Gundam: Thunderbolt. And these Toyota Char commercials if you count those, again they were stupid and hilarious.

I just finished watching thunderbolt. So they retconned those shield backpacks in. What else is changed? I don't remember side 4 being relevant, or destroyed and covered in space lightning.