Aquarion

>>14622383
>Which was worse, Genesis, EVOL or Logos?
Probably Logos, but all three were still good shows.

>Which is the best insert song?
Too many to single one out.

>Who is best girl?
MIX, easily.

>Can this series be declared dead after Logos? Or does the ride never ends?

The ride never ends... hopefully.

>>14622383
>Which was worse, Genesis, EVOL o Logos?
EVOL, it isn't even close.

>Which is the best insert song?
My favorite is OVA's Vector version of Sousei no Aquarion.

>Who is best girl?
Maiya.

>Can this series be declared dead after Logos? Or does the ride never ends?
If EVOL didn't kill it Logos certainly won't. As long as the pachinko machines still make money a sequel is possible.

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>>14622596
Why does everyone shit on EVOL? I thought it was good.

>>14622613
I like titties

>>14622619
Who doesn't?

>>14622613
Mikono and Amata are probably the least interesting characters in all of Aquarion, and I'm counting background characters like Bag-chan. Mikono in particular does absolutely nothing for the entirety of the show.

Middle episodes have no mecha at all.

After Jin's death it gets completely bogged down by forced melodrama that isn't entertaining in the slightest (they turned a quick joke with Andy that MIX should've easily understood was a slip of the tongue into a huge arc that spanned the last third of the show, for example.)

Retroactively makes Fudo into a massive prick for no reason.

And on the subject of retcons, BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

>>14622383
Logos > Genesis > Crap > Evol

>Which is the best insert song?
Go Tight

>Who is best girl?
Zessica or Reika. Maybe OVA Sylvia.

>Can this series be declared dead after Logos?
Japan seems real "meh" about Logos, but who knows.

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>>14622875
Because Logos is fucking bizarre, it has no relation to the other two series other than combining mechs. It could have been its own show.

>>14622875
>Go Tight
Lewd.

Has anyone stopped to ask the important questions, like how does a collar work on a bikini?

>>14622915
Probably by being stiff.

Speaking of stiff, got any more Zessica pics anybody?

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>>14622865
At least Andy was 10 times more interesting in the MIXY arc than Amata ever was in the entire show.

Seriously, at some point Amata is so irrelevant barely anyone remembered he existed. Meanwhile Andy storms through Altair threatening to put holes in people. That was badass.

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>>14622613
Terrible characters, terrible romance, terrible plot, and terrible direction (in the second half).

The main cast is awful, starting with Amata and Mikono. Amata started OK, then his Mikono obsession consumed the little he had of character and turned into a cardboard cutout. He had No Personality and his power was never particularly useful, and has little accomplishments through the show. He's boring and his mommy issues (the ONLY thing about him that wasn't related to Mikono) weren't particularly explored and instead were given a shitty resolution towards the end. Besides, the constant comparison between Alicia and Mikono made it look like he wanted to fuck Mikono only because she looks like his mom.

Then there's Mikono, who looks like she came straight out of a otome game because she Never Does Anything, has No Personality and has to get dragged around by other characters to get her to do something, and even then it never sticks out because other characters have cooler, more useful powers, and towards the middle of the show they don't even need her anymore to do cool shit. When she's not being bland and boring, she's being a bitch by blaming Amata of her bouts of jealousy, protecting Kagura even though he has killed some of her classmates, or doing nothing to sort out the fights between Kagura and Amata.

Zessica started well, but the moment the show starts focusing more and more into melodrama, her character starts goes downhill. She started like a flirt, confident tomboy to be later turned into Angst incarnated just because Amata doesn't like her back. From there on is disaster after disaster because they make her do all sort of dumb things on the basis that she's heartbroken, even getting out of character more than once. By the end she's just pitiful and getting her killed would be the most merciful end.

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Logos started rough but it's 2nd half was great

Maia best girl

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>>14623058
Kagura is barely a character to begin with, and more like a plot device. Beyond being a savage bad boy, he does whatever the plot wants and is just contradiction after contradiction. By the time the second half hits it becomes obvious the writers don't have the intention to give him a real, consistent characterization or real motives. One time he's screaming about how much he's going to fuck Mikono, and then he suddenly cares about Zessica (even though he has never once interacted with Zessica before). Would also have been more merciful to just kill him rather than replace him with a pod clone and pretend those 25 episodes of him being a murderous creep didn't happen.

The romance is simply awful. Mikono and Amata have the most cringe worthy relationship of all, and the two love triangles are terrible by themselves.

Mikono/Amata/Zessica is barely a triangle. Amata's obliviousness of Zessica's existence is so apparent it isn't even funny ("Oh Zessica, you're alive!"), and Mikono barely gives a fuck about her either, even though she should because her power is to connect with people. Amata barely has a solid reason to be so obsessed with Mikono, and even though they will try to convince you that Amata is better than Kagura because he feels true love towards Mikono, unlike Kagura's lust, that is complete bullshit. He's a mindless, obsessed fanboy that crawls for Mikono just because Kawamori demands it, not because there's an actual relationship between them. Mikono either ignores him, gets angry at him when Zessica flirts with him (he never flirts back, by the way), or treats Kagura much better in comparison. They never do something to further the relationship, Mikono never does anything for Amata, and Amata is instead demoted to Mikono's white knight. Is not a good relationship, period. But the show will bend backwards to convince you it's the best shit ever.

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>>14623100
Then there's Kagura/Mikono/Amata. This one takes a good chunk of attention in the second half (when Zessica becomes irrelevant). The official explanation, according to interviews, is that Amata is better than Kagura because he knows Mikono and loves her for who she is, unlike Kagura who only feels lust and keeps thinking of Mikono as Sylvie, and not herself. Mikono only feels pity towards Kagura and does not love him, and loves Amata instead for who he is.

This would be all great if it only was what actually happened.

The truth is, Amata can't possibly love Mikono for who she is because what Mikono is is complete garbage. All his speeches about fighting fate and loving her for who she is become pointless when it becomes apparent that there's nothing valuable or praise worthy about Mikono. Then towards the end of the second half, they come up with a (rather contradictory) sob story about Kagura's past to justify his obsession with Mikono, but by then it becomes clear that he's not going to have any characterization before that. Most of his actions don't make any sense when you think about it, and his train of thought goes unexplained. On Mikono's part, she never shows any inclination to decide who she wants to be with, and flips between blushing around Kagura and protecting him, to get jealous over Amata and Zessica. She spends a good time of the second half around Kagura and for a moment it seems she has settled for him, only for the final episode to confirm her status as a trophy for Amata and Kagura to fight over by not even letting her choose someone, instead they brainwash Kagura into giving her up and go for Zessica in one of the most bizarre moments in the show.

We end up with Amata and Mikono, one of the shows most cringy couples and most boring characters, together against all common sense, and Kagura and Zessica brainwashed to like each other because they were both popular and writers can't kill them without angering the fans even further.

Halfway through the first one so I know what the hell is going on in SRW, can I ignore the other two? Are the casts entirely different?

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>>14623173
In short, it was awful.

The show will try to convince you of many things they don't bother showing, and the writing breaks down in the last episode when it becomes apparent they cornered themselves.

Amata is supposedly fighting against fate when he practically says Fate is Awesome in the last episode, something Kagura has been saying for nearly the entirety of the show and they have been giving him shit for it. Amata supposedly loves Mikono but Mikono is utter shit and treats him like garbage so this is not believable. Zessica does things to get Amata's attention and truly shows that she cares about him, but Amata is forced to act like she doesn't exist because otherwise it would anger Kawamori. Kagura barely has a role other than stirring up shit by trying to kidnap Mikono, and they only make it worse by trying to turn him into a "good guy" and begging people to forget all those times he acted like a psychopath and got people killed. Oh, also while trying to convince you Kagura/Zessica is a legit thing that totally makes sense.

The only saving grace was the fanservice, the music, and budget. But even with all that, if the writing is THIS awful, is not enough to save the show. A pity, because it had a great start and a lot of potential.

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>>14623190

You can. Hell If you liked the first one at all Id recommend skipping Evol.

Logos is it's own thing entirely but Id actually recommend watching it anyways as it is nuts in the best way

>>14623190
>Are the casts entirely different?
Yes, though is still slightly related because reincarnations. Don't bother with EVOL though.

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>>14622924

>>14623214

you're really better off just looking up porn. Zessy's hot but the show goes well out of the way to shit on her

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>>14623214
I really try hard to not get mad at girls I like not winning love triangles and all but I can't stand it when the winning girl is so fucking garbage compared to the other. Zessica didn't deserve any of that shit.

What bothers me the most was that by all intents and purposes, Zessica was literally the girl Amata was looking for who suited all the things he wanted but hurr durr destiny and shit

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>>14623246
She was fan's favorite (second only to Yunoha) and most of the cast liked her. She lost because Kawamori favored Mikono.

>>14623246

On the plus side: she gets to be with a guy who isn't an idiot and can appreciate how great she is.

>>14623274

What really pissed me off is when she tried to emulate Mikono. Usually there's some lesson about how "Hey just be yourself. You didn't win this time, but that's life and sometimes it hurts but you'll get your guy someday."

Instead we got

"Fucking hell, Zessica. What's your problem not being like Mikono. You need to be more like Mikono or just kill yourself"

>>14623222
>but the show goes well out of the way to shit on her
Not only do they cover her in despair, they switch to that stupid dress.

>>14623274
Those fans pair Zessica with themselves rather than with Amata. Nobody really gave a shit about Amata and Japan thought Evol's love triangle was between AmataxMikonoxKagura

>>14623274
She has green hair, she was destined to lose.

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Mikono was so awful she lost to characters who literally have zero lines and only just barely beat out the heroine of the last show who was no doubt a write in.

>>14623280
Shipperfag pls go and stay go.

>>14623292
Nobody gave a shit about Amate because he was bland and uninteresting. Still, Zessica was much more popular than Mikono and even Okada wanted her to win. Kawamori has shit taste.

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>>14623292
Female fans liked her too.

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>>14622383
>Which was worse, Genesis, EVOL o Logos?
All were fantastic, but Logos
>best insert song
Evol's opening
>best girl
Mikono! Zessica is easily worst girl
> Or does the ride never ends?
This

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>>14623288
I'm madder because Mikono has the most beautiful character design out of all female cast and she's worst girl. Is not fair.

>>14623384
>but Logos
Meant to say Evol, whoops

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>>14623290

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>>14623410
So going by this, Zessica does not wear any sort of undergarments?

>>14622383
>Which was worse, Genesis, EVOL o Logos?

Evol by a fucking landslide.

>Which is the best insert song?

The first Genesis opening. Yes it's not technically an insert, but they play it every episode anyway.

>Who is best girl?

Genesis: Reika, OVA Sylvia for the OVA

Evol: MIX but only because the plot dumped all over Zessica. Zessica gets extra sympathy points though.

Logos: Maiya, but to Logos credit all the girls are pretty good, even stutter, although I can't remember her name, but I was pleasantly surprised how not Mikono she turned out to be.

>Can this series be declared dead after Logos? Or does the ride never ends?

Kawamori really wants it to be a thing, so probably not. And they did say there's a bunch of other realities we haven't seen yet. Although if Logos is any indication they won't be directly connected to Genesis anymore, because that would ruin his AmataxMikono end and he'll sink Japan into the ocean before he allows that.

>>14623678
>because that would ruin his AmataxMikono end and he'll sink Japan into the ocean before he allows that.
Why did his ultimate OTP have to be the worst one goddamit

>>14623794
Kawamori is a master troll.

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Did this entire episode have different artstyle?

Also honestly I'm not sure if I'm enjoying this show all that much
>too much monster of the week/character focused episodes with barely any fighting
>all the mecha action is Aquarion jobbing until they suddenly realize something, come up with some new attack and beat the enemy in 1 hit
>repeat

>>14623806
Oh boy this fucking episode

>>14623806
It was a QUALITY episode.

They also make it plot relevant iirc.

>>14623200
Yuurei Busters and Destiny on the Asagaya episodes are both 10/10.

>>14624033

Plus the ending was pretty fantastic.

It really goes to show that a good ending can save a rough start but a shit ending can ruin the entire work.

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>>14626860
Why is Shush such a grump?

>>14623198

And you know what the worst part was. The Altair situation, an actually interest plot development was completely tossed into the trash in the final episodes because who was fucking Mikono and Mikage still being sore over Genesis was more important to Kawamori.

Did all the rest of Altair's population die? Did an entire race go extinct because Fudo and him not stopping this problem thousand's of years ago? Did they somehow save Altair and fix their women problem?

Who cares? Mikono's not involved in that and you will all love Mikono or else Kawamori will personally kill you.

>>14627118

I forget did Altair even try peaceful negotiations?

I mean I can see how they'd be desperate but I bet if they pulled up and said

>"Hey our planet has this problem, we need help and if you lend a hand Im sure we'd be happy to share some of our awesome technology with you."

Im sure scientists who jump at the chance

>>14627128

They never approached any governments or anything, but they did try to get help from single people.

Izumo asked Alicia to come back with him, and it's implied several of the males they abducted willingly joined Altair's army, but no they never tried just asking anyone of authority directly.

>>14627118
I can't recall but I think there was a throwaway line about Altair's over technology being discovered as the cause of the curse so they started to scrap it.

>>14627128
Don't think so. Pretty sure their first instinct was to kidnap women and hope that they'd end up being immune to their atmosphere's effects.

>>14627148

Izumo realizes that their Inathe planet wide engine that was the source of their technology was actually the cause of the curse of Eve somehow and that near a part of it that had totally broken down, female insects were starting to appear again, suggesting that if they dumped the Inathe or at least worked on it, they could have women on their planet again without it killing or gender flipping them.

But then Izumo dies a minute later without telling anyone, and then Mikage drains the entire rest of Altair's energy dry and then starts blowing the fuck out of the place, killing Atlairians enmasse at which point we never hear from the Altair people again.

And Kagura the only Altairian still alive, moves in with Neo Deava.

>>14627136
>Izumo asked Alicia to come back with him,

Right because an actress is gonna be a huge help in this situation.

>>14627186

She was just the first woman from Vega he abducted, and he asked her nicely.

When she started to suffer from the curse though he just put her in that jar rather than send her back, and the obvious solution was to bring more women back and hope maybe someday one of them might survive.

>>14623436
Nope, she just sweats directly onto her clothes. Hot.

>>14627197

Look you don't just go to random people on the street when your planet is in danger. You gotta go to the big shots. It's stupid no matter what angle you look at it from.

>>14623436
>this sexpot somehow lost

i don't know whose call it was, but they should be shot.

>>14627449
Kawamori is a piece of shit, I like his concepts but I can't stand his decisions sometimes.

>>14627460

Maybe he's just an Ai Kayano fanboy.

Like how Baba fucking destroyed Zestria just because he found out a supporting character was cast with seiyu he was a fanboy of and decided to rewrite the whole thing so she was the main character and removed the actual female lead because he wanted no competition for his new waifu.

>>14627517
Ironic considering Kayano voiced Alisha.
Also sad because she was a fan of the series, and she got her role destroyed because of a waifufag with power over the series.

>>14627128
>I forget did Altair even try peaceful negotiations?
I think they said they were running out of resources or energy to supply the portals, and the population was dying so I guess they would soon run out of people to run the planet. Not enough time or resources to make negotiations.

>>14627186
Izumo thought she was powerful enough to resist the curse because of her element powers (that we never get to see).

>>14627413
Alicia was supposedly not a normal woman, but a powerful element, according to Izumo. And she did resist the curse enough to not turn into a man, but instead fell into a coma.

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>>14627517
you're joking right?

>>14627954

That is literally the only logical explaination beyond everyone on staff having a seizure during production.

>>14627995
I'm going to just assume they all watched the porygon episode of pokemon. This is just too much.

>>14627517

Oh..Oh, anon.

Zesteria had WAY more problems than the Alisha thing.

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>>14628004
It is known that Kawamori was biased towards Mikono/Amata and was one of the few people (if not the only one) that wanted Mikono to win.

Okada said in an interview she wanted to write Zessica to win but Kawamori didn't let her.

>>14628064

General reminder that the most important thing to have on your ideas guy is a leash.

Or blackmail, depending on the level of crazy.

>>14622613
>Mikono says she's useless in episode 1
>she's literally useless throughout the show

>>14622613
They're just mad their green hair goddess didn't win.

Mikono was always the better girl, in the end.

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>>14623100
All of this and they made Fudo into a shit. Forget the barking dog, forget the worst parents ever, they turned Fudo into a shit. That's unjustifiable.

>>14628666
>Mikono cancer is literally Satan

Zessica confirmed for the best girl.

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>>14628667
That's because Fudo is Kawamori's self-insert. That's why he's a 24,000 years old asshole and gets away with it. Like when Mikono does stupid shit but all characters say she's awesome and the best.

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>>14628667
> ditch both of your lovers for no explanation whatsoever
> make your dog fuck one of them

>>14628980

The worse part is he steps in and seals away Mikage at the end anyway. He could have done that thousands of years ago and saved everyone the trouble.

>>14622383
Genesis was generally fun, Logos was amazing, fuck EVOL.

>>14623198
>Amata supposedly loves Mikono but Mikono is utter shit and treats him like garbage so this is not believable.

Honestly, that doesn't sound so unbelievable to me.

>>14623173
What I love about that screencap is the face Zessica is making

The weird thing is the character hiccup. Alot of Zessica's words and actions would come off as really bitchy and sinister in certain lights because she's basically trying to muscle in on Amata but because she's portrayed as a sweetheart who's lonely and wants to make Amata happy as well you just feel sorry for her more than anything.

Meanwhile Mikono is outwardly a nice and demure girl, but it's all under a layer of passive aggressive quiet bitchiness that has her constantly giving Amata the cold shoulder. She's honestly abusive to him, but it's not as obvious at first because she's not shrieking like a harpy and punching the crap out of him like a typical tsundere.

But the story seems to ignore that and treat them like you'd expect.

It honestly seems too deliberate to be a conicidence that they were set up like that though.

>>14628064

Some say it's just about story. He made Evol to wrap up the Apollo/Sylvia story left it to the staff, then came back to find out they'd deviated from the show's only actual story purpose and he insisted they fix it because he wanted to wrap up that plot point to do other non connected to Genesis Aquarions like Logos.

But then you have him supposedly geinunely angry that people don't like Mikono as a character and him trying to defend her to them.

And then there's rumors that he's salty that people didn't like Ranka in Frontier instead latching onto Sheryl who wasn't the new idol girl he wanted to promote. So when the fandom again didn't like who he wanted them to he got angry and vegenful.

>>14629528
As that picture explains, the series' director is in charge over what course the story takes. Whatever other mistake the staff did, he should have been there to correct them. It doesn't help Kawamori was also working on AKB at the time and he seemed much more invested in the latter than in EVOL.

I mean, come on, is his own series and he's absent for the most part. If something went wrong, he's mostly responsible for it because as the director, he should have been overlooking what the staff was doing and giving them direction.

He probably did knew what the writing staff was doing but was too busy with AKB. Who knows. But when you're near the end of the show and force the most hated female character to win, can't expect anything but anger from the fans.

>>14629528
>And then there's rumors that he's salty that people didn't like Ranka in Frontier instead latching onto Sheryl who wasn't the new idol girl he wanted to promote. So when the fandom again didn't like who he wanted them to he got angry and vegenful.

Pretty sure that's made up, based off how Sheryl wasn't a main cast character in his initial concept for Frontier

So I'm curious.

Did SRW actually do what we often laud it for and fix... most or anything of EVOL's failings? Or did it just drop the ball like most things in Z3? Evangelion I'm looking at you.

>>14629528
>And then there's rumors that he's salty that people didn't like Ranka in Frontier instead latching onto Sheryl who wasn't the new idol girl he wanted to promote. So when the fandom again didn't like who he wanted them to he got angry and vegenful.
Thats made up though, Alto was always supposed to end with Sheryl in the anime, they only left it up in the air because they were already planning the movies

>>14629775

Part 1 played the actual Evol plot straight Mikono being a saint and all, though it spared Jin which was enough for most of the fans because JinxYunoha was all they really cared about. And they actually gave you proper final fights against both Izumo and Kagura instead of Mikage hijacking the entire finale.

Part 2 though just went into outright parody and mockery of it like Zessica yelling at Amata and Mikono to stop being lovey dovey and pay attention so they don't killed, Apollo showing up and then immediately spending about two minutes talking about how lame Amata is and how Kagura and Apollo are much cooler in comparison and Evol's inferiority to Solar is because Amata is weak (with Amata agreeing on all counts)

And Mikage becoming a parody of himself that simply will not die (even he seems to be annoyed when he keeps reviving that his misery won't end) with an irrational hatred of green hair. He picks on Ranka instead, and if you pick Ranka end for Frontier end Mikage suddenly warps in and steals her away ranting about how this is all wrong because green haired girls are'nt allowed to be happy. Every time Alto fights him he tells him about how green hair sucks and he should pick the other girl instead.

Apparantly Kawamori said they could do whatever they wanted so long as Zessica end wasn't an option in any circumstance, so they did that but gave focus to the fan prefered characters and took the piss out of it in humor whenever they could. Mikage comes off as a parody of Kawamori himself with hatred of green and insisting that everything do according to his genius design.

But they don't actively insult the plot proper and mock the characters meanspiritedly like Seed Destiny, presumably because Kawamori is respected and they want to stay on his good side, unlike Fukuda.

There's also the issue of them retconning it so Solar Aquarion was still sealed since the end of the first game and that them reappearing in Z2 didn't actually happen.

>>14629859
I always did find that retcon really weird.

>>14629859
holy shit back in the day I thought all of the REMOVE GREEN HAIR stuff was just people exaggerating for the lulz

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>>14629859
>And Mikage becoming a parody of himself that simply will not die (even he seems to be annoyed when he keeps reviving that his misery won't end) with an irrational hatred of green hair. He picks on Ranka instead, and if you pick Ranka end for Frontier end Mikage suddenly warps in and steals her away ranting about how this is all wrong because green haired girls are'nt allowed to be happy. Every time Alto fights him he tells him about how green hair sucks and he should pick the other girl instead

>>14629528
>But then you have him supposedly geinunely angry that people don't like Mikono as a character and him trying to defend her to them.

Nothing makes me hate a character more than people trying to push them harder. Fuck even Lucas knew to dial back on The Jar Jar

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>>14629859
This doesn't sound like much of an improvement especially when the plot is still played straight.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3593564&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=88

Jesus Christ Z really was a fluke.

>>14627517
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>>14628022
i wanna hear every problem with this game.

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>>14629859
>Apparantly Kawamori said they could do whatever they wanted so long as Zessica end wasn't an option in any circumstance
How much of a butthurt fanboy you have to be to forbid a Zessica option when Frontier itself has the Ranka option? Doesn't make sense to me.

>>14630568

The worst part is other characters in game act like Zessica has a chance, and Zen Fudo himself implies at one point that Zessica might work just as well at resolving the plot as Mikono, but then nothing comes of it.

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Did a green haired girl killed Kawamori's family or something, someone explain

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>>14629893
The Zessica shit train goes as far as turning her into a man when Mykage posesses her in the manga.

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>>14627214
I would like to see these clothes... for research purposes.

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>>14630477

Uh okay. Here goes.

The combat is a broken mess. Instead of the normal party of 4 you have 2 humans who fuse with your "seraph" party members to create various elemental super forms.

Sounds interesting on paper but it doesn't work with the battle system an AI. Battles either become trivial because of the low cost to just spam fusion attacks or nightmarishly difficult because the AI party members keep running face first into the bosses AoE insta kills resulting in half your fighting capacity being taken out of the fight.

There's a skill slot system that is frankly so idiotically complicated I don't even know where to start explaining it but it's a tremendous pain in the ass.

The characters are all painfully one dimensional with the bulk of the humor coming from cheap puns that honestly make me want to drown everyone.

The main character is especially flat. His whole bag is he's something called "The Shepard" who is suppose to cleans the world of malice. Now the thing is if he lets his emotions get out of hand it will have an effect on the world around him. Sounds interesting right? Too bad. Sorey has no emotions. This isn't a plot element either he's just a human 2x4. He'll come across a pile of dead children and not get bothered in the slightest. One of his party members will just say "don't let it get to you" and he's all smiles and okay.


The plot itself reads like a first draft. There are holes you can drive a truck through and the game seems to have no idea how it's own established plot elements seem to want to work. It will say something works one way one second and then immediately contradict themselves later on and if you're lucky there's an after the fact throwaway explanation.

The later chunk of the game turns into a literal Easter egg hunt where you have to hunt down magic crystals that are just scattered in every nook and cranny across the world.

It needed at least a half year before they even began production.

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>>14630620
And THIS is the Tales that gets a full adaptation.

>>14630620
Wow. I didn't really like Symphonia or whichever one was on the Xbox but that sounds like they doubled down on everything I hated. How is this series popular again? Is it the waifus? It's the waifus, isn't it.

>>14632152
Could've been worse

Could've been Innocence

>>14632188
It wasn't always like that you know? Its an old series going back to 95 with the first game on SNES. Going by sales its mostly only popular in japan, in 2007 sales distribution was 87% in Japan, 8% in North America, 3% in Europe and 2% in mainland Asia.

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>>14632210
Now that I think about it, EVOL is just Innocence with combining jets.

>>14632188
>How is this series popular again? Is it the waifus? It's the waifus, isn't it.
Tales is a fujobait series, so it's actually the husbandos.
Seriously, just look at the yearly popularity polls. Not a girl in sight.

>>14632240
That would explain why the protagonist in the one I played was such an edgelord. Estelle's naïvete was fun, but it didn't stop her (or anyone else) from being pretty flat a characters. The Estelle I like most wields a staff and smacks people around with it.

>>14628977
There was a time when I thought Lacus was the worst character ever. But I can't find myself ever hating a character as much as Mikono. Maybe EVOL Fudo.
>>14628980

>somehow you're super enlightened and wise
>Do the same exact thing to cause 2 wars that nearly destroy mankind
Kawamori/Okada (mostly Kawamori) ruined his character

>>14632251

Yeah, it seems that more often as of late the Tales games have gotten lazy with their plot and characters.

They try to use skits to pad out the plot and character but there's nothing to build off of because it's too easy to just have WACKY JOKES between save points that they forget that you need to actually have a character to build off of.

I never got around to finishing EVOL after Jin died; I take it I picked the right time to get off the crazy train?

>>14632923

Nah it's good. Don't believe the (anti) hype

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>>14632923
Just pretend he never died and everyone got their own happy end. I mean you can still watch for the banana episode but that's like, the last fun episode and even then the show is already going downhill.

>>14629859
Why would Mikage hate green hair when he was cucked twice by blondes? He should hate blondies.

>>14632251

Yuri was the most popular for a good long while specifically because he was such and edgelord when most protagonists are all about love and friendship and stuff.

Though he's not THAT much better really.

>>14635320

the way people talked about Yuri I was expecting worse. He Franks like two guys and then is quickly reprimanded when it all comes out

>>14632460

The Tales game protagonists have always been cliche fests since Phantasia way back on the SNES. It's the antagonists that (at the time) were novel because they usually have a sympathetic backstory and good motivations for their actions, which was more or less unheard of back in the days when Exdeath and Kefka were the standard for a JRPG villain of just being evil because evil. It was geniunely shocking when the evil sorceror demonlord you'd been fighting all game revealed he was just trying to save his own planet and the corrupt human kingdom authorities treated him like an alien invader and attacked him first.

Oh and the active action battle system rather than turn based. That was new at the time as well.

It's not quite as big a deal anymore though.

>>14635329

It's more in comparison to other Tales leads, where when confronted with a corrupt official just shake their fists and hope something unfortunate happens because they have the law on their side and unless they go full world destroying evil their hands are tied.

While Yuri realized he was a sword wielding warrior and they were two physically useless rich guys and murdered them.

On Evol 's second episode after just finishing Aquarion earlier. I know I'm going to be very angry at what they did to Fudou. I feel like after this, F, and Delta someone needs to put a leash on Kawamori. Plus Okada on this show just gives me more ammunition to hate her.

>>14635399
What's wrong with Frontier and Delta? Sure, they're not perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better than Evol.

Besides, Evol aside, Kawamori going full Kawamori can be pretty entertaining. Just look at 0048: the times they tried to put him on a leash were the only dull parts of the series; whenever he was in full crazy mode, the show was fun as all hell.

>>14635922

Delta has the MC going from complete rookie to turbo ace just because of song hax and has been utterly neglecting Mirage

>>14635938
Hayate's development has been more organic than that. Even without song powerups, he's fairly talented. Not the best, but certainly capable of pulling his weight in a dogfight.

And that's not "neglect," that's just a side character getting treated like a side character. Unless you were deluded into thinking that Mirage was actually important, of course.

>>14622383
I haven't seen Logos, yet but I'd say 2nd half of EVOL was a trainwreck. Mikage possessing Zessica made my dick diamonds though.

Genesis OVA/Movie is the best iteration for me out of Genesis TV and EVOL.

>>14635967

>Hur dur side character

I see Frejya fags like to be annoying in non macross threads too

The show dropped the ball with it's cast.

>>14635922
Delta's cast feels one dimensional plus there's too much politics for me, F I found enjoyable but some things annoyed like Michael and Klan should've been flushed out some more and high school in Macross. Though the movies did fix some of my problems. I'll end up giving AKB a shot when I get through my neverending backlog.