Top 20 Best Sci-Fi Anime of All Time

>>14619920
>Persona 4: the Animation
Okay.

>>14619920
> 3. One Punch Man

Are you fucking kidding me?

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I don't see anything wrong with that list, a bit vanilla maybe but-

>One Punch Man

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>>14619920
>MAL

cool story but check this shit out

http://myanimelist.net/featured/1378/The_Space_Opera_that_Gave_Rise_to_the_OVA

Why would you link one of fucking MAL's toplists. Couldn't I make a toplist for "best mecha" and have it filled with just Seed Destiny and it'd be accepted no problem because it's random people making random lists with no venting.

>>14619920
>myanimelist
funny joke

>>14619972
To laugh

>>14619970
The title is a little misleading since it doesnt imply that LoGH was the first OVA and they're certainly misinformed if they think it popularized the format.

For a real laugh riot have this.

http://myanimelist.net/featured/1473/The_10_Strongest_Gundams__Saviors_of_Space

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>>14619920
>http://myanimelist.net/featured/1704/Top_20_Best_Sci-Fi_Anime_of_All_Time
>>14620157
>http://myanimelist.net/featured/1473/The_10_Strongest_Gundams__Saviors_of_Space

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>>14620157
>mfw that list
He tried to seem objective, but three Wing suits in a row at the end reveals his true nature as a rabid Wing fanboy

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>>14619920
>Persona 4
>Sci Fi
>on any list that has the word Best

>>14620487
The thing that fucking gets me is the RX 78-2, isn't that one of the weakest gundams short of the ground gundam?
Not only that no Turn A, Unicorn, Victory M2, or even the F91, but it includes the Zeta.

>>14620978
Zeta can channel the souls of the dead, anon.

>>14621003
No, Camille can. He'd do the same Newtype bullshit if he was piloting a Zaku. Zeta Gundam is just a mobile suit.
Remember: the Biosensor is something some daft toymaker dreamed up and has no bearing on the story.

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>>14620157
>Saviors_of_Space

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>>14619920
> +30 years of anime
> Pick 1/2 the list from shows released in the last 5 years.
> Logh isn't even mentioned

>>14621073
Nigga, one of his choices for "Sci-Fi" is Persona. I honestly don't think he even knows what Sci-Fi is.

>>14621073
That's how any mainstream anime websites usually work, anything pre 2007 HD era is considered "old" and pre 2000 prehistoric except for Wing, Eva & Bebop.

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>>14621078

You know it was bad enough that FANTASY became an impossible genre term to search for these days and now SCI FI is getting ruined?

How do you even fuck up this term?

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>Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu vs.... ? I don't know of any other show, TV or OVA, that does what Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu does and at the level and quality of Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu. Neon Genesis Evangelion maybe?

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>>14619920
Outlaw Star saves it from being completely disgusting at least.

>>14621385

Outlaw Star is like Star Wars. It's cool but everybody knows it and even listing it makes you look like a twat

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>>14621585
>I'm too cool to like Star Wars
George Lucas is possibly the most unappreciated artist of his time. I'd rather be utterly forgotten than reduced to a joke. And to add sting to it his work is just as popular as ever, if not more. But still, nobody loves him.

>>14621761
I feel torn about this. On the one hand, he hasn't made a good movie decades and the special editions were never a good idea.

On the other, Star Wars fans are complete cunts 90 percent of the time and overreact to everything.

>>14621788
I think that the Star Wars prequels were quite good and will be looked back on quite nicely, and much sooner than I earlier expected now that we have Disney to show people how you REALLY miss what made Star Wars great.

The special editions I see as just a run-up to start making The Prequels. I think that Lucas cared just as much if not more about pushing effects forward with those movies as he did about finishing Star Wars. Think of how long the advances made in The Prequels would have taken if handled by other directors over the course of several projects rather than all at once by one driven and exceptionally wealthy director.

Even if you despise all of his movies I think that it's undeniable that Lucas and Industrial Light & Magic have been an incredible driving force behind technology in film. Really not much like Outlaw Star at all. Outlaw Star wasn't really pushing boundaries, just handling familiar stuff really well.

I'm honestly amazed Texhnolyze is on the list.

It's a great show, but it can be a difficult watch if you're not willing to sit through a mix of mysticism and harder-than-usual scifi elements for anime.

More importantly, aren't these lists basically working on the same platform as imgur? Anyone can submit and whoever gets the most "upvotes" gets put in the featured list, right?

Also if you didn't get it yet, go watch Texhnolyze.

>>14621833
Texhnolyze only appears because it looks cool, after all anime doesn't need to make any sense to the average viewer because most of them are style over substance anyway

It's the same reason tons of plebs are drawn to Lain but don't even slightly get what it is about. It's absolutely depressing when any other board but /m/ and /a/ try to have a discussion about anime. It's sad because at one point the average age on 4chan was actually increasing but it seems to have totally dropped off and we're filled with 13 year old retards again

>>14620978
Well are the being judged against each other? or relative to the other mobile suits available in their respective series?

>>14621078
if an anime was based on the main SMT series I'd feel you could argue for it's inclusion, but not persona

>>14621847
>Texhnolyze only appears because it looks cool,
After reading what he says about it, I'd say you're probably right.

He only provides a rough summary for the first episode without any indicators of watching anything else.

>>14621847
> It's sad because at one point the average age on 4chan was actually increasing but it seems to have totally dropped off and we're filled with 13 year old retards again
It usually happens when a mainstream anime airs, each season bring an influx of newfags because of the meme culture that leak from 4chan.

/m/ is less affected than /a/, unlike them we have less mainstream mecha anime per season.
A/Z & IBO was trashed here, once the anime ends and there's no more thread, they leave.
/a/ has all the popular manga adaptation, any anime by Aniplex, Shaft, KyoAni or Ufotable.
Newfags tend to stay after coming there, waiting for the new season.

But they also try to initiate discussions on /m/, easily spottable with their Gurren Lagann threads.

>>14621865
Texhnolyze also has a cool name and a plot that is "mature"(no ecchi/no moe/no harem), of course he had to put mature anime for mature viewers like himself in his list.
>by madokamage
>135 anime completed
>plan to watch Texhnolyze

>>14621892
Even with that in mind, /a/ is still much better than other boards for anime discussion. Everywhere else is just obsessed with the same Berserk, NGE, Bebop, Champloo shit. You always see the same 20 or so shows mentioned and the big link is either they are edgy or they'd look cool if you showed your 13 year old friends what you're watching

>>14621901
I stopped going on /a/ years ago but can you have a thread that isn't pruned after 50 replies about a non mainstream, nor currently airing anime without baiting them?
All I see is a mix of /jp/, /v/, a fuck ton of /c/ and ITT threads.

Manga threads are cool though, you can easily discuss about the last chapter of a few manga since they are translated there.
Same goes for the rare LN threads.

>>14621833
>I'm honestly amazed Texhnolyze is on the list.
I'm not. It has the usual "2deep4u" style which is very popular among MAL users.

>>14621847
>>It's the same reason tons of plebs are drawn to Lain but don't even slightly get what it is about.
Please, stop reminding me. It is so sad that 90% of the references to hacker and cyberpunk culture are so overlooked.

>>14621917
You can if people see it

/a/'s biggest problem now is all the 'general' thread garbage cluttering the place, they push all good content off the board so all that's left is general threads and shitposting. That said its still possible to get a good thread going, so

I'd make the same complaint of /m/ which is totally plagued by general thread garbage as well. At least this place is slow so threads don't just auto die but it's disconcerting to see a 1/4 of all maximum threads hidden away

>>14619920
>Psycho-Pass
>Steins;Gate

I really can't understand the huge hype for these shows. Steins;Gate is not bad, but it's also not great. Psycho-Pass on the other hand is completely retarded, especially the Sibyll-system (or whatever its name was). What's really cringy are the fanboys that actually defend this system as something they'd want to live in.

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>>14619920

>No Ryvius
>No Gunbuster

>>14622040
MAL would eat anything with time travel in it, look how they loved the shitty Erased anime.
It was retarded as hell yet high ranked.

Buddy Complex doesn't count because it had mecha in it, MAL auto cancels them.

>>14622190
>MAL would eat anything with time travel in it

As we can see with Re: Zero, which is total dogshit, but hyped up by the MAL and Reddit crowd as 'the next Evangelion'

>>14622207
I like RE:Zero but what the fuck makes it the "next Evangelion" to these people?

>>14622211
Because it's 'deconstructing the Genre' and the writer is shitting on NEETs.

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>>14619920
>>14619970
>>14620157
Has australian shitposting invading weeabos?

>>14622215
>deconstructing the Genre
I wish I knew what people meant by this because simply exposing or being critical doesn't mean something is a deconstruction.

>>14621852

Does it matter? Every Gundam has an opposing suit that roughly matches it. The V2 has the Gottrlatan, the Double X has the Virsago Chest Break (especially when using the Satellite Cannon) and the Turn-A has the Turn-X. They're more powerful than the grunts in their series (with the original as an exception by late show), but they never outclass everything,ain villain included. Some of them, like the God are outclassed by the villain suit even. The closest to a suit that outclasses the villain's analogue is probably the 00 Raiser to the Reborns Gundam, and even then the difference is only in the nature of the drives they use and how long they can operate, not how much power they can access at once or what capabilities they have.

>>14622220
Well, Wikipedia says that a deconstruction is a 'a critical outlook concerned with the relationship between text and meaning.'
I can see how Evangelion, Utena or even Ideon, Zanbot 3 and Turn A Gundam fit in that description, but Re: Zero? Not really.

>>14622331
That's not how it works here, it's a deconstruction when Xanime is different from others anime in the same genre.

""Shingeki no Kyojin is a deconstruction of the shonen nekketsu genre because it's mature, has blood and people dying""

""Re:Zero is a deconstruction because unlike other isekai anime who give mary sue power and a harem to the MC, Subaru is left powerless, suffers a lot to save one girl and only has rem who loves him""

>>14622406
>""Shingeki no Kyojin is a deconstruction of the shonen nekketsu genre because it's mature, has blood and people dying""
But it's literally not a shonen series though.

>>14621761
>George Lucas is possibly the most unappreciated artist of his time.

he's also George Lucas and it's been common knowledge for A LONG time it's the editor who saved star wars

>>14623140
>it's the editor who saved Star Wars
Have you seen the deleted scenes from Star Wars? Was the movie really a disaster waiting to happen before the editor stepped in? Did the editor create all of those sequences which are burned into popular culture? Substantiate what you mean by this. It should be easy if it's common knowledge.

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>>14619920
Dont get me wrong i love OPM but they are just pandering at this point

>>14624671
George didn't know how to begin the movie properly, which led to unnecessary scenes like the one inside the Toshe Station or Luke seeing the star destroyer through his binoculars. This stuff has been cut out by the editor. But everything after the meeting of Ben and Luke is basically George Lucas at his best.

>>14624683
People who make lists in general are retarded, all I can think of is that stupid "Dark Souls of every genre" list

>>14624671
C'mon anon, this is common knowledge, while George Lucas did have this boner for special effects his editors and writers made it actually work in the original trilogy

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>>14625858
>his editors and writers made it actually work in the original trilogy
Define 'it' keeping in mind that they have original trilogy writers working on the new trilogy. Do those movies still have the 'it' element now that Lucas' insidious influence is gone?

The core of Star Wars story or conflict or whatever you want to call it is and always was intended to be a fantasy story about the world being thrown into chaos by the passions of a troubled warrior and being restored once he's able to find peace within himself. That's what Star Wars is and that's what Lucas contributed on the story front.

What did those writers and editors do that was so incredible?

>>14625461
I don't see what's inherently wrong with those scenes. Sure people might not have liked them during pre-production, but nothing looks good while you're working on it. Sylvester Stallone and his agent tried to destroy First Blood before it could get into theatres because they were certain that it would destroy his career.

>>14625870

Lucas is mostly great for ideas on the writing front. He wrote the ideas for the classic trilogy and first draft scripts, which he then handed off to others, mostly to clean up the dialogue. They did add in new stuff, but they mostly redid the dialogue to make it more natural sounding and add humor by my understanding.

He was responsible for a lot of the better ideas in Indiana Jones too. With Star Wars he often did several versions of scripts before handing them off so they were technically not first drafts, but he got the flow of events and characterization down and then let others clean them up. He didn't write any of the Indies as far as I know, just came up with the character and scenarios, but let others develop them. He did do production work on those though.

>>14625895
That's the thing. Lucas' writers only really ever had to un-autist the dialogue. The story was there, they filled in the blanks and smoothed it out. If you listened to a lot of the critics of Lucas' work you'd get the impression that he was always a clueless idiot blundering around behind the camera getting a boner every time someone mentioned special effects while a few unsung heroes did all the real work.

Lucas is one of Hollywood's great artists and it tears me apart to see him treated so poorly. What really makes it sting is that many of these critics claim to be fans of his work too. The fate of Star Wars is heartbreaking.

>>14625902

The funny thing is people dismiss his obsession with effects, but Hollywood would be poorer without him since he was one of the main driving forces behind ILM and he wouldn't let cinemas that didn't have the right sound setup have Star Wars, even when he thought it'd be this small film and before it became a juggernaut. And as soon as it did become big (i.e. as soon as it came out) the first thing he wanted to do was make a new film in a completely different genre (Indiana Jones) with his friend Spielberg but take a backseat on it since making Star Wars was a massive headache for him. Lucas is basically the most mainstream auteur in Hollywood, since he made Star Wars despite all the big wigs saying no one would like it and had to fight tooth and nail to do so, then made Indiana Jones despite them again saying that'd be unpopular too. He was a critically acclaimed director for stuff like THX and American Graffiti before Star Wars too.

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>>14624683

My girl.

>>14625856

Worse, they're people who have pretty much already made up their minds before starting and are just looking for an excuse to gush about their favorite shit regardless of where it fits or not.

>>14624683
How the fuck can you like the garbage that is OPM? kill yourself

>>14627131
>>>/a/

>>14627802

gee, you really told him

>>14625895
He is an ideas man alright.
>He wrote the ideas for the classic trilogy and first draft scripts, which he then handed off to others, mostly to clean up the dialogue.
But this is not strictly true. 'Star Wars Episode 2: The Empire Strikes Back' was not to be a Lucas original. The original writer kicked the bucket and Lucas did rewrites, the very last of which were Vader's heritage and the change to being 'episode 5' rather than 2.

>>14627919


I don't think he personally directed any of the OT movies except the first one

Shit thread with shit tastes. You all need to be gassed by Zeon.

>>14622929
>not a shonen
>published in Bessatsu Shonen Magazine

>>14619920
>P4
>OPM
>Not even one Gundam
Damn I always knew they were stupid but not this stupid. Though about OPM it does have some sci fi elements but I wouldn't consider it one.

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>>14621073
Wait a minute. I thought MAL jack off to LoGH. What happened? Why isn't it even mentioned.

>>14619920
Wow, just your usual MAL shitfest again. What did you expect? Zambot 3 and Votoms?

>>14629456
I was expecting Captain harlock and Dougram

>>14629456
I was expecting Sci-fi anime

Not even going to look at a mainstream, US market based, ageist (5 years old is "ancient d00d!"), normie list of supposed "sci fi" shows. Leijiverse (Yamato, 999, Harlock, Queen Millennia) is godlike in Japanese rankings but snubbed by ageism and racism against Leiji's "potato heads". Landmarks like VOTOMS, Ideon, Dirty Pair, all MIA. Shit, Tenchi fuckin' Muyo is more SF than "Persona" with all the space action.

Cowboy Bebop was decent enough, but largely flopped in Japan and was only significant in the western market for it's status as a normie "gateway drug" and "lookit how un-anime this anime is!", and endless Cartoon Network reruns for like 15 years.

The golden age of anime was the 70s-90s, but these ageists don't even know any of it exists, other than when enough fedora tipping pushes something like LOGH (a great show, BTW) on their radar. Then, their still fucked up and think it's the first SF OVA "evar"-"Dallos? wot's that? a city in Texas?".

I'll consider JP rankings like the Animage top 100 and such a much better look at the big picture.

>>14630068
Generally /m/ shouldn't care too much about western rankings. Most of the stuff that people on this board watch are classics in Japan as you already said, but treated like trash in the west.

I also can't understand why people think that an anime looks like shit because of its age. I mean, there are Honneamise, Akira and Agel's Egg to prove them wrong, but no one acknowledges this (except for the sakuga crowd).

>>14629456

I wouldn't classify Zambot 3 or VOTOMs as sci-fi either. Maybe space opera, but not sci-fi. They don't explore any concepts or technology to be sci-fi.

>>14630083
Yeah, the attitude toward theatrical anime is another pet peeve. Movies like Patlabor 2 and those you mention are like relics from a lost civilization that can't be replicated-the apex of ultra detailed, hand drawn art-yet are often overlooked. Nothing like that is made anymore, with occasion exception like a Redline, and older really is better with movies.

The 80's saw Miyazaki's sci-fi period, with Nausicaa and Laputa. At least Miyazaki's name recognition get's those films more mainstream respect, but his later films are still more recognized outside Japan. Nausicaa has long been considered an ultimate masterpiece in Japan, based on the Animage rankings etc. but all the other Ghibli hype seems to eclipse it in the West at times. Ditto for Laputa.

>>14619920
Jesus, does this idiot even know that anime didn't start in the 90s?

>>14630068
>this entire post
>lookit how un-anime this anime is!
The fuck?

>>14630091
>Maybe space opera, but not sci-fi.


eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, this just opens up a very murky issue.

I for one do prefer sci-fi to be true to its speculative fiction nature and do the "ok let's imagine things worked this way, now let's watch the crazy shit ensue" thing more than "do this thing, BUT IN SPACE" but it's rather unfair to exclude the latter from the sci fi genre just because it relegates the speculative aspect to the backdrop instead of making it central to the narrative.

Sci-fi is a microcosm of entertainment, and entertainment tends to have two pillars to it:
1) to have fun
2) to provoke thought

Noein is better sci-fi.

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Is Towards Terra the most underrated space opera anime?

>Had the misfortune of originally airing same season as TTGL and Code Geass

>>14621221
>Fantasyfags complained about endless Tolkien ripoffs
>Now they complain about endless paranormal romance and edgy as fuck "dark fantasy"

Genre fiction was a mistake

What bullshit did they use to justify Persona? Some bull about having ONE robot stage?

>>14631914
>Based on a game universe comprised of multiple franchise spin-offs, this sci-fi anime explores the concept of inter-dimensional travel through television sets. In a small Japanese town set in the country, a group of high school students encounter this alternate dimension, overrun with dark entities called “Shadows”. In order to combat this threat, physical manifestations of their “true selves” called “Personas” help them in the fight
So the shadow realm or whatever.

>>14631922

I was expecting it to be stupid but they managed to exceed my expectations

>>14631375
Simple-Cowboy bebop's westernized setting and themes clicked better with a mainstream audience of the time than the typical anime laden with tropes and clichés unfamiliar to the average westerner in a time when anime was still unfamiliar (i.e. sweatdrops, magical girls, SD character designs).

CB was an anime the schizoidally "anime hating" hipsters at Adult Swim fucking loved, and thus played the shit out of for the next decade and a half. On the other hand, the Japanese never really took to the show because of such qualities.

Simple enough explanation?

>>14628638
Btfo

>>14632804
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Witch
So this is Shonen then?

>>14632004
also Bebop's pretty damn good

>>14631644
Blame this on the misfortune of your birth

>>14631644
Well, it also had a movie in the 80s, so the manga was kind of popular, right?

>>14619930
>>14619937
I like the OPM anime but how is it "sci-fi" on any level? How could anyone even convince themselves that it can fall under that category?

I can kinda get some of the things people wrongfully tag that way but OPM? HOW?

So when is the game against /an/ exactly?

>>14634758
Capeshit is apparently scifi?

>>14619970
>LOGH started OVAs

Are MAL trying to beat the ANN & middle aged anglosphere "anime scholar" crowd at sheer idiocy & made-up bullshit? Because somehow they're succeeding.

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>was on Spill.com years ago (2010)
>one of the guest contributors made a article saying the reason why anime is in the shit right now is because of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z
>saying it killed any creativity after that and the only good animes to come out since were Cowboy Bebop

>>14634763
I hate how capeshit became so popular. I don't hate superhero comics and their adaptions, but the whole merket is just oversaturated.

>>14634764
They've got a long way to go if they want to dethrone us, at least.

You can't spell misinformation without /m/.

>>14634776
Oversaturated my ass, it stabilized once the MCU was conceived (and when Fox/Sony ran all their licenses into the ground) only for DC to fuck everything up and try to get in on that filmverse cash.

>>14634565
If it's published in a Shonen magazine then yes it is.
Also if Watamote is considered shonen then anything can be

>>14634573
Indeed, and it was one of the last gasps of the old school aesthetic that didn't pander to a certain demographic that has doomed current output largely to a certain aesthetic offputting to most. A rare piece with normie appeal and old school street cred-influenced by everything from Lupin III to Sunrise's space legacy of stuff like Dirty Pair.

>>14634764
They haven't surpassed you yet, diebuster.

>>14634784

It's not just marvel. Even star wars is planning on just flooding the cinema

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>>14619970
Oshii should outfit his Basset hound with that dog armor on the cover of the first OVA ever he made and sic him on these scoundrels. It's the only way to save face.

>>14634784
Found the fanboy.

>>14634817
>star wars
>capeshit

>>14620970
>Implying it wouldn't make list of best video game adaptation anime with an high school setting featuring demon summoning made in the past decade

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>>14634844
>The Point
>You

We're talking about over saturation of the medium, shit head. A movie a year is too much too fast. Frankly Im already sick of it

>>14635131
Stupid fuck that's not what we were talking about.

>>14635149

>>14634776
>I hate how capeshit became so popular. I don't hate superhero comics and their adaptions, but the whole merket is just oversaturated.
>over saturated

>>14635154
>the market

HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CAPESHIT MARKET, NOT THIS "OH NOES THEY'RE MAKING TOO MANY MOVIES WOE IS ME" RETARDATION YOU'RE PUSHING.

LEARN TO READ.

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>capeshit
That word makes me think of this guy in Urusei Yatsura, "Super-delicious-planet-golden-special-reserve-gorgeous-aftercare-kit". Poor Ten-Chan, lol.

this thread makes me angry

>>14635164

It's the same fucking market.

>>14619920
Haha

>>14635280
tell me more...

>>14634758
It's got aliens and space ships. I wouldn't place it in the sci-fi section of the video shop but it's obviously got sci-fi elements. Calm down and accept that people make shit lists.