What are your thoughs on the co prosperity plan /m/

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I'm confused. How do you change the world without dropping colonies/asteroids?

>>14604475
EVEN SO

It just cements that Unicorn is not only Zeonwank, but also barely veiled Imperial Japan wank as well. For the Zeonwank part, it's a Zeon plan that doesn't involve genocide, mass murder or dropping large objects onto the Earth, which is just bullshit.

For the Imperial Japan part, the fact that the co-prosperity sphere is painted as somthing beneficial to the colonies and how the Spacenoids (Asians) love Zeon (Japan) so much that they'll sign up for it without a moment's hesitation.

>>14604538
> sign up for it without a moments hesitation
Right, that's why FF needed to delay the dissolution of the Republic of Zeon. Because everyone was so on board with his plan and ready to sign up. So ready that four years weren't enough to convince the seven sides.

>>14604229
No, I prefer Char's original plan - a single major military victory with low casualties on spacenoid side and dealing with the remnant fleets later.

>>14604229
It's the best plan Zeon could use really, even before they were so low in numbers / military resources. Anything else is inhumane or just moronic by comparison.

It's a plan that, though cruel, made a lot of sense. It was a logical response to the state of things, though Frontal was simply too detached for it to actually work as things developed.

>>14604538
>For the Zeonwank part, it's a Zeon plan that doesn't involve genocide, mass murder or dropping large objects onto the Earth, which is just bullshit.

Holy shit you feddiefags really are delusional

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>>14604538
>For the Imperial Japan part, the fact that the co-prosperity sphere is painted as somthing beneficial to the colonies and how the Spacenoids (Asians) love Zeon (Japan) so much that they'll sign up for it without a moment's hesitation.

But the whole point of Frontal's plan in the narrative was to point out just how retarded Japan's equivalent was.

I not sure how that makes it Zeonwank so much as a simultaneous critizicm of both Zeon's and Imperial Japan's sheer level of arrogance and ethnocentrism. Frontal's plan, even in the best case scenario, would have buttfucked the Earth Sphere because it assumed that the colonies would be totes cool with the Republic of Zeon helming the entire effort, and lets assume a few colonies didn't cooperate at all. What was the RoZ gonna do? Annex them? With the entire Federation's military resources staring back? Sorry, but in the realm of actual POSSIBILITY, it just isn't gonna fucking happen.

>>14604602

Did you know how long it look for the EU IRL to form? And unlike Zeon, Germany didn't just try throw a fucking asteroid onto earth three years before.

>Frontal's plan, even in the best case scenario, would have buttfucked the Earth Sphere because it assumed that the colonies would be totes cool with the Republic of Zeon helming the entire effort

Because not a single character, in both the novel and the OVA ever called him out on the obvious absurdity of his "plan". Instead they go along with the assumption that it would actaully work and instead complain that it would just reverse the colony-earth dynamics, which is apparently so horrible that he must be stopped.

If Unicorn actaully made sense, every one on Nahel Argama would have laughed at Full Frontal's face and left

>>14605834

The point of "Zeon fanwank works" like Unicorn and Thunderbolt is to completely discredit and delegitimatize Earth. Nobody really cares what happens to Earth because all the politicinas are corrupt and all the citizenry don't give a shit what happens to mankind except for maybe a guy who runs a diner.

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>>14605970
>Because not a single character, in both the novel and the OVA ever called him out on the obvious absurdity of his "plan".

Besides that, their fear of his plan is probably because about three years earlier, the Federation couldn't even mobilize their military for fear of starting a revolt among every one of the colonies.

This isn't some new Zeonwank, this attitude is as old as CCA. I know this sounds CRAZY, but Gundam has never painted the Federation as anything but a cavalcade of shitheads that just happen to have decent folk working for them.

>Instead they go along with the assumption that it would actaully work and instead complain that it would just reverse the colony-earth dynamics, which is apparently so horrible that he must be stopped.

Well yeah, trying to ostracize the largest organization in the Earth Sphere that commands the largest, most well-armed force literally ever might not be the best course of action in the long run, and the colonies never seem to get along very well unless they have a common grudge against an overarching institution, if the Warring Space States era is any indication.

So stopping that ridiculousness is probably in everyone's best interests.

Note; I am talking about the Federation, not the EFSF/EFGF. Those guys are actually pretty cool more often than not.

>>14606026
>The point of "Zeon fanwank works" like Unicorn and Thunderbolt is to completely discredit and delegitimatize Earth.

Putting aside how adorable it is that you're talking about the Federation like it's a real government and not a fictional entity, the Federation does a good enough job of being such a comically awful government that they barely have any legitimacy beyond what their military enables them to hold on to. They suck so bad that even the very planet they're governing from is still a shithole several decades after the OYW. If it weren't for the god-tier fleets and pilots on their payroll, the colonies could easily just tell them to fuck off.

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>>14606163
>the Federation does a good enough job of being such a comically awful government that they barely have any legitimacy beyond what their military enables them to hold on to.

Holy shit, this.
>Char just got finished dropping an asteroid on your FUCKING HEADQUARTERS literally days ago.
>"Lets give Char the biggest asteroid we have left in exchange for his jew gold. That'll satiate him."

Seriously, I do not get /m/ and their worship of the Federation. Sure, I love GMs as much as anybody else but the fact that the EFSF never stages a coup d'etat throughout the entire UC timeline is fucking staggering.

>>14606205
Their brains have been warped by gravity and pollution.

But I also don't get the love for Char.

>>14604538
Nigger, when FF revealed his grand plan everyone called him a naive retard, the majority of the sleeves just wanted a reason to fight and ge ttheir revenge boner going on

>>14606224
Yeah I think anon is just imposing his ideas onto unrelated things.

What's the point of even having an agenda like that on a board about mechas?

>>14606163

>the Federation couldn't even mobilize their military for fear of starting a revolt among every one of the colonies.
>this attitude is as old as CCA. I know this sounds CRAZY

It doesn't really, because Char publicly faked Zeon's disarmament to garner sympathy from the colonies. The same Char that was the AEUG leader who was popular with the colonies. Deploying the military on them of course would anger the colonies. That doesn't mean Republic of Zeon has the same kind of political influence as Char. The real hole in the story is why didn't any information leaked out about his ultimate plan and the attack on Luna II. But that's the kind of problem Gundam had anyway in terms of underestimating the speed information travel.

>>14606163

>Well yeah, trying to ostracize the largest organization in the Earth Sphere that commands the largest, most well-armed force literally ever might not be the best course of action in the long run.

My point is it won't even get there because the colonies will simply ignore the Republic of Zeon. The very fact that the characters' fear predicates on the plan working, without any questioning, just shows Unicorn trying to push the narrative that some how Republic of Zeon is actually popular enough some how, simply because they are Zeon.

>>14606280
>just shows Unicorn trying to push the narrative that some how Republic of Zeon is actually popular enough some how, simply because they are Zeon.

The RoZ isn't popular, but Char is.

Take a wild guess who Full Frontal perfectly emulates.

>>14606436

The OVA didn't mention it, but Full Frontal is just a puppet created by a faction in the RoZ to work as a political leverage against the EF as a sort of controlled opposition . The co prosperity sphere also has to work around the RoZ being a separate entity from the EF. Unless you are suggesting Full Frontal becomes the prime minister of the RoZ, what you suggest makes no sense. Not to mention that people would probably not even believe him to be Char, with the stupid mask and all

>>14606205
whats this from it looks too old to be unicorn but too new to be cca

>>14606679
>Not to mention that people would probably not even believe him to be Char, with the stupid mask and all
people in UC -are- stupid, they call FF the second coming of char and all the zeon remnants on earth are so happy to be contacted by someone who is basically their own celebrity jesus and will travel across the planet to attack where he tells them to

>>14606962
it's a drawing of the meeting where char pretends to sell out neo zeon and give gold to the federation in exchange for axis

you can see cameron looking at the briefcase filled with gold and char in a CCA era NZ uniform

>>14606026
>all the politicinas are corrupt and all the citizenry don't give a shit what happens to mankind except for maybe a guy who runs a diner.

Yet despite these attempts, Earthnoids still come across as being better people in general by virtue of the fact that unlike Spacenoids, they don't try to murder everyone in the Earth Sphere at least once a decade.

>>14604229
It's an awful plan and I'm glad Marida whipped his ass in the novels after it was over.

>>14606224
Yea the Sleeves would fight if the reason was to get FF buying them icecream. They would fight for any reason because they were so desperate to fight for any reason and their revenge boner.

I can't help but think outside the guy who wanted to suck FF's cock the reset of them just nodded and hoped he'd not realize how much of a tard he is.

>>14606259

> Char publicly faked Zeon's disarmament to garner sympathy from the colonies

No, he didn't. Char had the colonies support even after dropping Luna II and before faking disarmament. Sweetwater practically threw a parade for him, and that was a colony primarily composed of people who had lost their homes in the One Year War and had had to be temporarily rehoused. He faked the disarmament to fool the Federation and gain more time and room to enact his plan to drop Axis, not to gain colonial sympathy so he could gain time and room to drop Axis.

>>14607650
>primarily composed of people who had lost their homes in the One Year War and had had to be temporarily rehoused

The population of Sweetwater is stated to be survivors of the 'various wars' not primarily the One Year War. The support Char gets in Sweetwater makes more sense if the people there were survivors of colonies gassed or colony lasered by the Titans.

>>14606983
Whats it from though.
That cant be CCA because again, looks to fucking new.