Macross Delta (Scramble)

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>>14603781
>[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_19_[A6AD9C99].mkv

Macross Chronicle(new edition) all 80 volumes scanned: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=838873

All the charcters from the previous series are confirmed, even macross 30.
>no gamlin for macross 7

http://macrossds.bn-ent.net/mechanic/

The new special attacks look great.

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>>14603781

Last game I played using this engine was Triangle Frontier and it looks like they added some new tricks to the flying which is really cool.

At the same time though it also looks like they flat out removed the whole Create a Character thing and possibly the painting of suits too which sucks

>>14603871
It's Macross 30's engine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3gTXzsDRBg

>>14603781
The BD covers look too good

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>>14603781

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Kawamori-sama kakkoii!

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>>14604097
Yeah, she looks strong on that cover. too bad that it isn't the case in the anime. I expected her to do a duo with Hatate like it was the case in the OP but it turned out to be just a bait.

Just began waching Macross F.

Ranka is pretty amazing.

>>14604275
>Ranka is pretty amazing.
Movies or TV series?

>>14604292
TV series.

>>14604297
It's only the beginning of you suffering.

>>14604303
Oh boy.

Then I'll need to have other anime with more suffering to cancel it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwrDTOd7PG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGlBDF6vTeE

>>14604275
>Ranka is pretty amazing.
>>14604297
>TV series

Oooooh boy

Maybe I should leave, think I'm getting close to being spoilered

>>14603781
>Macross 7
>Only Totsugeki Love Heart & My friends
>No Gamlin

Shit game.

>>14604407
Stop with your preemptive crying. The game isn't even out yet.

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>>14604458

>>14604407
There is no MAO. It's going to have a sequel for the next 13 ep, maybe they will include it there.

8 eps in Macross F.

I already feel bad for Ranka.

>>14604237

Japs can't write female characters even worse than most people, what else is new.

>>14604725
I don't get it.

>>14604783
He's probably that guy arguing that people can't write female characters because they fail that bullshit test that shitted up another thread.

>>14604261
My dick. Superior grunt version with superior head when?

>>14603781
Hikaru mistook Mikumo with Minmay. Is she a Minmay clone?

>>14604871
What

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>>14603781
>no YF-29
Fuck this

Is there any way I can screen mirror this on a PS4? I might be caving in and getting one soon.

>>14605033
In the gameplay preview, the link in OP >>14603781
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GklUdls0ivE
Hikaru thought that Mikumo was Minmay.

>>14605048
It's a PSvita exlusive.

>>14604791
>>14604783
Its because Mirage just faded to the background without any character development while they tried to force us to care for her in the first few episodes by hinting at her backstory that never materialized

Kawamori should hire good writters for the next macross.

Looks like they're still recycling that PS2 era game engine

>>14605449

He should have done that 15 years ago.

>>14605201
Yes, but I was hoping there was a way to play this on a larger monitor or TV screen using the Vita.

>>14605491
Which macross are you referring to?

>>14605497

Zero, obviously. Although I'd prefer it didn't exist at all. Prequel stories are just such a waste of time.

>>14605504
Zero has the best dogfights. The story is ok.

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>>14605516
Yeah, it did have some gnarly aerial battles...

>>14605604
>>14605516
The story was decent for the 2 first episode then it went to shit. The characters are not well developed because it's only 5 OVA.

>Prequel stories are just such a waste of time.
It works well as a prequel for Frontier but not really a prequel of SDF.

Do VFs really need a runway?
I mean aren't they VTOL?

>>14605625
Literally no reason for mobile suit carriers to have catapults when they can just fly there.

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>>14605958

>>14605625
Fighter form, generally speaking, isn't.

>>14605962
>it aint me camo VF-4's
muh dick

>>14605958
Where did this come from?

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>>14605998
Twit, masterfile.

>>14606016
>>14605958
Are the Masterfile scans in the torrent all just camshots like this? Because that's pretty shit.

Did the full version of Silent Hacker ever get released anywhere?

>>14605962
Why do these look like Variable Glaugs?

This is interesting. I'm looking over the master file and the project leader for the VF-4 was a developer for the SV-51.

>>14606133
Something really wrong with the perspective.

>>14605633
Save on reaction mass as well as let the suit clear the ship while on maneuvers.

>>14605625
VTOLs nowadays will do traditional takeoff to save fuel or if they are carrying a large load. Valkyries are less concerned about the former while the latter may come into play.

It's possible it's probably easier to store, re arm and service in fighter mode. Having your landing platform in constant contact with engine exhaust probably leads to a lot of wear and tear.

>>14606102
>>14606016


Has the VF-4 Master File been scanned?

>>14606102
FUCKING TRAITOR

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>>14603781
Oh hell yes.
>>14604836
It's a cute angry bunny.
>>14605045
And no value was lost.
Ok, seriously, why no Durandal? License hell?
>>14605492
Vita TV. Costs less than new sixaxis pad.
>>14605625
They are. Verniers have enough thrust to lift valk in plane mode under one G but that was shown only in SDF- unless you count Plus and it's brawl, where Isamu is throwing YF-19 around with it's verniers. Something something sustained thrust damages maneuvering nozzles so VTOL is usually performed in GEARwalk.
>>14605633
Reaction mass is still a thing and every little bit saved is a good thing.
>>14606053
Because they are close cousins?
>>14606123
Arad, come on, do something for a change.
>>14607311
Oh come on.

>>14607515
If the designer of the VF-4 was an Anti-UN engineer, then they betrayed their country by joining the UN after Space War I. They should've fought to tear down the UN as it was recovering and was vulnerable.

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>>14605625
>>14607515
They technically do have VTOL abilities in fighter mode albeit limited.

>>14607534
Nightmare is lifting here on verniers, so yeah, that.
Alternatively, Yukikaze liftoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBphxIl37I
>>14607528
Was he a soldier? If yes, I agree. Engineer? Not really, especially post space war.

>>14607285
I haven't found any scanned version

>>14603785
Why is she blushing?

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>>14604237
Ultimate Kawamori troll

>>14607534

She was in a zero-G environment.

>>14606455

Operationally there hasn't ever really been a functional VTOL combat aircraft. The Harrier can't take off vertically with a full fuel load, let alone armaments. The only time you'll see them doing vertical takeoffs is at airshows.

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>>14607885
>>14603785
>>14603781
Why Mirage is so irrelevant?

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>>14608302
Believe in Mirage

>>14608302

Everyone outside Hayate and Freyja is irrelevant, and even hey don't have much going for them.

>>14608353
Who do the plot and the writing for Macross Delta? I wonder what they are thinking while watching this.

>>14608353
>Everyone outside Hayate, Freyja, Mikumo, and Windemere is irrelevant

fixed

>>14608353
messer
kaname

>>14608360
>Who do the plot and the writing for Macross Delta?
https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=1543
https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=152
https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=1126

How would you Fix Delta?

>>14608353
>Everyone outside Hayate and Freyja is irrelevant,
https://my.mixtape.moe/hnxqlw.webm
SUUURE

>>14608621
drop Windermere for a more "faceless" enemy like Macross 7 / Frontier had. Too many knights to give a shit about.

Focus less on Windermere and give more attention to the characters. Have more episodes dedicated to Hayate getting to know his crewmates and building relationships. Seriously, an episode where Hayate learns about Ragnan culture by spending a day with Chuck would do so much for Chuck's character.

Delta focuses way too much on the "political" atmosphere and leaves its characters out to dry. The cast is like 15 different characters and only MAYBE 2 of them have received any real attention/depth.

>>14608621
I would leave Messer alive longer. His presence created some conflict, and forced Hayate and Mirage to react.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-09-27/macross-creator-kawamori-offers-details-on-macross-delta-anime-thunderbirds/.93436
>Kawamori pointed out that the delta symbol in the logo is made of triangular symbols, to symbolize the three main thematic elements of Macross: music, a love triangle, and transforming fighter planes. However, he noted that the two symbols are split, and explained that this is indicative that the three elements will not come together as expected in the new story.

>>14608621
by making 2-3 movies with no filler.

>>14608711

well he only has 7 or so episodes to prove that that's not total bullshit.

>>14608403

> Everyone outside Hayate, Freyja and Roid is irrelevant

Roid is the only one I'd add. Mikumo hasn't really been relevant, just mysterious, which isn't the same thing. The only time she's really been relevant is when she blew up the ruins in episode 18. And if we're counting small instances like that we might as well say Mirage is relevant for training Hayate and saving his life that one time. It didn't even upset Roid's plans going by his reaction.

I also wouldn't count most of the Windermere characters. I certainly wouldn't say Theo, Xeo or Master Hermann are relevant for instance. Or Bogue, since he's barely had more screentime than them and used all of it to shout at Walkure. I wouldn't even say Keith or Heinz have been particularly relevant. All Keith has down is scowl and kill Messer, which hasn't really had much effect on Hayate, never mind the story. They grieved for one episode and then Hayate managed to out do him due to a song buff after refusing to replace him and that was about it. And all Heinz has done is sing. He's about as relevant as Kaname. That just leaves Cassim. He's had more characterization, but it's not actually counted for shit so far.

Roid has been relevant, but again, I wouldn't say he has been particularly noteworthy just like Hayate or Freyja. They're there, but we mostly see them reacting to what's happened and being quite passive. We don't know much about him or his plans even 3/4's of the way through the show for instance, and we probably won't until the last second. He took Gramia's role and renewed the war. That's about the extent of his relevance to the plot so far.

So no, I don't think Mikumo or Windermere are relevant. Not unless you mean Windermere is relevant as a faction instead of it's individual characters. In which case Chaos and Walkure have been relevant too.

>>14608903
Mikumo is relevant, only Keith, Cassim and Roid seems to be relelvant for Windermere.

>>14608796
Hayato will choose harem ending.

>Mikumo
>MIKUmo
>blue-green hair in the first episode
>singing android weapon
Was this Kawa-Kawa's plan all along? Has Makina been focusing on the wrong part of Mikumo's name?
I still think the android thing is a red herring.

>>14608969
*Hayate, obviously.

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>>14608994
>>blue-green hair in the first episode
hologram like the rest of walkure.

>>14608943

Why are they relevant then?

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>>14609018
She looks like Sharon apple

>>14609063
The next episode is dealing with her past and she was a plot device for Freryja since ep01. Keith was always relevant as a vilain in the 1st season and it seems he's going to go against Roid.

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>>14609077
>>14609018

>>14609077

> 1st season

What? And all Keith has ever been is a better fighter, which stopped as soon as he killed Messer. An event which barely affected anyone in the end. I would not call that relevant. Nor would I say Mikumo has been so far since for all the show builds her up the only thing she's done is blow up a rune.

>>14609117
>An event which barely affected anyone in the end
There was a whole episode about it. It affected everyone.

>>14609121

The extent of the effect was them grieving. None of them developed or grew because of it. An episode later Hayate regressed even, since he refused to let anyone fill Messer's spot because he didn't want to replace him. As if getting a new pilot would wipe Messer from memory or something. And Arad let him. There's been no other effect, and grieving isn't really an effect on the plot or even really the characters. And with Freyja's song buff Hayate is now Messers equal so his loss doesn't even matter.

>>14609197

SCANS WHEN?

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>>14609298
I only found cam pic

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>>14609503

Who has rars for the master files?

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>>14609522
That's the last pic he posted: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4724015442

>>14609525
http://www.taghobby.com/9-0/9-2/softbank-creative-2014%E5%B9%B48%E6%9C%8831%E6%97%A5%E7%99%BC%E5%94%AE-%E6%9B%B8-variable-fighter-master-file-vf-4-lightning-iii-3024yen%E9%80%A3%E7%A8%85/

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>>14609719

>>14609472
sexy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwrDTOd7PG4

>>14608621
Replace Walkure with a singular idol.

Pseudo-talented idol groups never sound all that great compared to one talented singer.

>>14610763
>>14610763
An example?

>>14610763
Junna and Minoringo are both really talented and the other three are pretty much background vocals anyways

>>14610925
I think there are way more standout songs in Delta compared to Frontier too.

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ハヤテの感覚拡張は、一歩間違えばヴァール化してしまう可能性と隣あわせの危険なもの。分析のため、フレイアの歌とハヤテの共鳴実験を行うことになった。一方、隔離されたままの美雲を心配するマキナとレイナは、なにやら二人で行動を起こそうとするのだが――

>Hayate's expanded senses are dangerous and may lead to VARing with one wrong step. To analyze it, its decided that they well conduct a resonance test with Freyja's song. On the other side, Makina and Reina who're worried about the isolated Mikumo try to trigger something being done, but --

>>14610963
BUT WHAT?

>>14609077

> The next episode is dealing with her (Mikumos) past
> Next episode preview in the episode shows Keith looking over the dimensional scar
> No hint of backstory or Mikumo in the pictures
> No hint of backstory in the episode summary, only others trying to help her

That aside, those preview pictures are really dull and could be lifted from any episode. They don't even hint at anything, since it's just pictures of single characters.

>>14610963
>Kassim covering his neck.
>That other guy is one leg in the grave already.

I mean, if it means Bogue finds his end by the end of the series...

Don't do protoculture, peбятa Bиндepмиpa.

>>14610987

Master Hermann has looked like that since the start of the show. Also, I wish Bogue would end already. His indignation was fun the first time or two, but it's just tiresome at this point. Get to the point already. Or at least a point.

>>14610963
Screenplay: Touko Machida
>https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=677
Storyboard: Yamato Naomichi
>https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=15640
Director: Yamato Naomichi
Chief Animation Director: Osada Yoshihiro, Hideki Inoue, Majiro
Animation Director: Kazunori Minagawa, Sakai Satoshi, Fukushima Isamu, Satoshi Hata, Kasunori Takada, Nagakawa Momoko, Ito Ayako, Oohashi Sachiko, Yokoyama Sayumi, Nishikawa Masato

What's up with all those animation director for this episode? Is something important is going to happen?

>>14609506
holy shit those super packs

>>14609525
there is an S-variant

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>mikumo - THE MACROSS (on the left)
They replace Mirage with Mikumo because she's pretty pointless.

>>14611023
They should replace*

>>14611026

Mikumo has been just as pointless so far so it's not like it'd make a difference.

>>14611083
Nan, she is getting relelvant, she was a plot device for Freyja and she was mysterious. Mirage is sjust a background character.

>>14611095

> she'll be relevant I know it
> just you wait

You sound like a Mirage fan now. Kaname has been more relevant than Mikumo. So has Mirage really, since at least she trained Hayate.

>>14611103
Are you retarded or you're not following the series? Mikumo is relevant right witch all what i happened and i said that she was a plot devic fro Freyja's character developpement.

Kaname was relevant for one episode thanks to messer and then thrown into the background. Training? You can that a developpement for mirage? Arad or chuck could have replaced her there and nothing would've been changed.

And no, I'm npt a mirage fan, i'm a huge freyjafag.

>>14611110

> Mikumo is relevant

Not really. All she's done since the start is be mysterious. She actually finally did something two episodes ago by blowing up a ruin, but Roid didn't even care, Freyja had already been stopped and beyond stopping her own singing it doesn't seem to have accomplished much. Voldor is free of Various now I guess.

I don't care who you are a fan of, she hasn't actually done much. And no, I didn't call training Hayate a major accomplishment, I only said it had more relevance than Mikumo has had. You can say she was allot device for Freyja all you want, but she hasn't actually done anything for her. Kaname, Makina and Reina have done more really, since they did most of her training and helped her out outside that.

>>14610930
If you don't count the Frontier movies, yeah.

>>14610993
>Implying Bogue will ever score any point.

>>14611083
Mikumo is a main character that they've sidelined while Mirage is a side character that they've advertised as a main character.

They obviously did not want a repeat of Frontier with two idols pining for the MC dick so they coughed up a Jenius in the last minute and split the #2 spot between the two of them. It's tough to market female pilots to otaku so they went with Mikumo even though Kaname has more screentime and meaningful dialogue than her.

The problem with Delta is that they just introduced too many characters and only two of them are relevant. In Walkure there is no real point for Reina and Makina other than the fact to make the idol group a fivepiece, in Delta platoon there is no real reason for Messer to have died since they are shoving the narrative that Windermere aren't bad guys while Arad and Chuck are literal ghosts along with Mirage. Ever since Messer died none of the four pilots ever improved and it takes plot armor to even get them to survive future encounters, not withstanding the plot armor afforded to the Windermere side.

The writing is all over the place and its not going to get better any time soon.

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From comiket

>>14612866

What a cunt.

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Now you can own a constant reminder of when this old hag slew the man who loved her with her lyrical death flag of a song

>>14612913
She's the most overrated and overhyped Walkure

>>14612998

The hell are you talking about? She's not nearly as pretentiously written as Mikumo or Freyja is.

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>Mikumo is an experiment to use singing as a weapon through bio-fold waves
>Sheryl was essentially the same thing
>Sharon Apple could also have been

Was is all of this only just clicking for me? Am I that stupid?

>>14613256
no if it wasn't for episode 19 no one could've realized this.
In one episode literally all of macross has become more intwined that it was already.

I hope we get some action next episode.

>>14614224
Kawamori isn't doing the storyboard so i doubt we will get a lot of Mecha action. There is a lot of animation directors though this time.

>>14613256
You are not alone, thou even as of now all we know that she is, well, shinpi.
She is not protodeviln, nor protoculture - among options that are left her being an experiment that went from Sharon shenanigans seems pretty plausible. Then there are obvious connections to Zero and Mayans.
>>14609719
I shall once again postulate for Nana in Macross, for greater marketable potential.
And Ayahi Takagaki for my own enjoyment.
>>14609525
>Birdman intensifies

>>14615599
>Then there are obvious connections to Zero and Mayans.
What obvious connections?

>>14615599
>I shall once again postulate for Nana in Macross, for greater marketable potential.
>And Ayahi Takagaki for my own enjoyment.
Admit it: you just want geahs in valkyries.

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>>14612642

That Chronicle dump has some incredible artwork in it.

>>14616359
Not him, but I'd be more than fine with that.

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>>14616359
>you just want geahs in valkyries.
Who wouldn't?

>>14617391

I don't since GX was terrible. They would find some way to screw it up.

>>14617406
In which case I want it to happen just to see what Symcrossgear EVOL would be like.

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>>14617380

>>14617413

The alien protoculture responsible for creating the Gears awaken from inside the moon and come at them with waves of mass-produced robotic dubstep idols who can turn into drone planes and BTFO of everyone even with the Dainsleif forms. The only solution is to reverse-engineer the tech and use it to develop transforming robot planes that link to the gears and are both flown from inside and also remotely like Stands or the Rayearth mecha. Only singing little gay girls piloting robot planes can save humanity from the aliens led by their suspiciously-like-the-heroes-but-evil supreme commanders.

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>>14617414

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>>14617548

>>14615827
Compare flying rocks scene to Mikumo's flashbacks. Also, songs activating old ruins, glowing gliphs, thou this time those are carved into a living body and not a flying dildo. Those things.
>>14616359
Yes.
>>14617427
...Strike Witches?

>>14616917
I hadn't realized the robot tits would be visible in plane mode too.

>>14618167
>Compare flying rocks scene to Mikumo's flashbacks. Also, songs activating old ruins, glowing gliphs, thou this time those are carved into a living body and not a flying dildo. Those things.
Also: something something Rom Mayan.

>>14618188
>Rom Mayan.
"lhued jhar rom mayan" means "in the name of the true king", it has pass down to windermere royal family for generations.

>it's a Basara Loses His Voice episode

>Macross F 2nd opening
Sounds like a typical mid 2000s shounen opening like Shana.

Ranka hasn't had that much suffering yet.

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Do people really dislike Ranka?

>>14618605
Childish and too "moe"

>>14618521

mirage telling bitches off?

>>14618692
So basically she's Basara but cute.

>>14618605
>Do people really like Ranka?
ftfy freyjacuck

>>14618695
she acted like a mom for both of them.

Is Freyja the best Macross girl yet?

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>>14618712

>>14618499
For a second I thought he was Grace.

>>14618525
NO KAWAMORI NO! LEAVE GREEN ALONE!

>>14618723
She looks like a man.

>>14616948

Don't suppose you'd do the Battle Frontier ones, anon?

>>14618723
Pretty sure Basara is best girl.

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My favorite shot in this episode. Arad standing in background looks the best.

2nd cour pace is a bit slow. They should make a movie, it would fix that.

>>14619647
>post yfw they already wrote the script to fit a single movie and are now extending some scenes from it to fill out the space on TV.

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>>14619709

>>14619563

he's checkin' out dem makis.

>>14619982
Pretty sure he's not looking there.

It's 2016. Where is the VF-0?

>>14620255
where's the vast majority of humanity dying in an orbital bombardment?

>>14620272
Where's the Ass-One?

So, what happened in today's episode?

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>>14619215

I'll take a stab at storm attacker in a little bit.

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>>14620762

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>>14620988

Battle Frontier's storm attacker is going to require a lot of manual cleanup, going to keep on the easier ones for now.

>>14620998
YF-19 and VF-19 Fire Bomber soon?

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>>14621006

Soon.

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>>14621031

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So, the reason there was never a VF based on the F-18 is that Mospeada already kinda did that?

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>>14621085

>>14621085
>>14621108
Sexiest anything in all of existence.

>>14621107
I'd say too much overlap with the SV-51 actually.

>>14621170
isn't it more of a MiG/Sukhoi though?

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>>14621179

It definitely has some Hornet in it.

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>>14621184

Oops, uploaded draft.

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>>14621110

One more for ya then.

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>>14621311

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>>14621372
Why didn't they make the VF-25 (or a variant thereof) the red shirt VF of Delta?
It has a much more disposable MP look than the VF-171s IMO.

>>14621377
I just finished wathcing Frontier, and I thought I'd hate Alto but he turned out to be a pretty good MC.
>It has a much more disposable MP look than the VF-171s IMO
Isn't it basically an updated VF-1?

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>>14621377

Maybe because it looks little too similar to the VF-31A?

>>14621397
That's what makes it look red shirt-y.
SDF was like if every allied mobile suit was a GM and the only way you had to know if someone isn't going to facelessly die in one scene was their custom colors.

>>14621402
Forward swept wings = instant protagonist mecha, Kawamori himself said so, didn't him?

>>14621406
I actually sorta liked that about SDF.
Everyone flew "normal" VF's instead of flying some speshul snowflake prototype/custom job.

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>>14621406

Yeah, he said something along those lines.

>>14621412

If we ever get another show with UN Spacy pilots, I hope they go back this.

>>14621412
But all the main characters did fly custom paintjobs...

>>14621612
yeah, custom paintjobs, not custom valks.

>>14620300
It's moving slowly.

>>14620988
So what's the justification for storm attacker mode? SDF had a reason for the Macross transformation, but it doesn't apply to later designs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D--eVxaLF6c

>>14621771
>SDF had a reason for the Macross transformation
>it can transform but we don't know what's the purpose of it
>but it also magically fixes our energy problem so who cares

Kawamori should make a serious Macross one day.

The slow pace is slowly killing this show.

>>14621890

Wasn't the transformation a human addition? I imagine Storm Attacker mode is more nimble for a start and a better way to execute a Deadulus Attack if nothing else.

Is there an episode this week?

>>14622365

Yea, but GG dropped it because they found the show boring like everyone else. You can see raw pics upthread.

>>14622082
>Wasn't the transformation a human addition?
no

>>14622375

GG dropped Kuromukuro, no indication that they've stopped working on Delta.

>>14621771

Ability to point the Macross Cannon independently of the current thrust vector, at a bare minimum. Also punching battleships with aircraft carriers is a pretty useful trick.

>>14622517
>GG dropped Kuromukuro
What? Why?

>>14622517
They didn't drop him, he had real life issues get in the way. And they obviously found a replacement, since that was 3 episodes ago.

>>14621890
I wasn't talking about why the ASS was modular from the start, but about why the crew decided to transform the ship later (to reconnect the cannon to its power source after all the energy lines folded away along with the fold system). Even if later designs kept the modularity, I don't see the need for specifically a humanoid shape.

Unless they used the same reasoning as with the valkyries and they expected to fight battleship-sized aliens.

>>14622522
>Also punching battleships with aircraft carriers is a pretty useful trick.
Yeah, but I asume the UN Spacy doesn't make decisions based on the cool factor.

>>14621377
too 'heroic' look for a mook unit. it was used as mass produced unit in both tv series and movies thou, during final battle.
>>14621351
This is still a clusterfuck, performance notwithstanding . Kinda like Laevatein

>>14622661
>I don't see the need for specifically a humanoid shape.
the reasoning was: we don't know what's the purpose of it but it turns out to be convenient
IRL: we need to sell toys of transforming robots

>>14622661
Protoculture had some valid reasons:
-Vajra
-Protodeviln
-rescue operations, as in pushing or catching stuff.
-because we can
-rule of cool
>>14622816
>IRL: we need to sell toys of transforming robots
Thou I can see something Quarter sized to have viable tactical use in combat, as disabling gunship in Frontier or re-entry scene in movies showed.
Other than that, if you already have a modular ship capable of doing it at it has proven useful, why stop using it? Since SDF Plus and Zero were only entries where humanoid form wasn't utilized by ships efficiently.

Maybe it's my fault for being interested in MAL opinions and checking their forum.
But why was Ranka so hated?

>>14622913
Going by there usual tastes, she was more moe than Sheryl so she should've auto won.

>>14622980
Uhh... What?

I mean, how could someone even see Ranka and Alto getting together?
Alto never really showed any interest in the girl and I'd downright say he was treating her more like a sister than a GF...

>>14620300
Mirage got mad at Freyja and Hayate.
Kanade found Mikumo floating in a tube.
Makina and Reina gonna get raped.

>>14622913
>MAL
fuck off

Ranka is childish and an annoying little girl.

>>14623021
>she was more moe

>>14622375
>like everyone else

I am enjoying it.

Delta's love triangle doesn't feel like one. It's only between Freyja and Hayate since ep01.

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What's your favorite VF? And your least favorite?
Need to know for no particular reason.

>>14623925
YF-21, VF-25, YF/VF-19 are my faves.
I don't really have a "least favorite", but it'd probably be the Durandal.

>>14623668
Rooting for someone because her body such as more moe or have a bigger boobs even her personality is suck is ultimate retard.

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>>14623925

VF-171. The 17 is great too, but the upgrade wins out slightly due to having a better color scheme and slick surface detailing.

YF-27 is my least favorite. It looks like an accident that occurred when a YF-21 and Elgerzorene got wasted together one night and ended up shaming both of them with its ugliness.

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>>14623925

I really like the VF-19 family, but the VF-1J is just so damned iconic; probably a tossup between those two.

Least favorite? Probably the Az-130, that thing is hideous in every mode, from every angle; I get that it was supposed to be a badguy VF, but it manages to be less menacing than the Fz-109 and FBz-99 were done so much better.

>>14623925
Favorites would be 25, 171/171EX, 19, and 29, in no particular order. And the 2SS.
Don't really have a least favorite.

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>>14621351
This is the Durandal, right? My favorite VF, although it doesn't look like it has a lot of following.

>>14624822
Not a big fan because of the shape of the engine nacelles on the wings remind me of dicks, and the forward swept wings paired with forward swept canards are a bit too excessive, even for Kawamori.

>>14624833
Yeah is overdesigned and honestly, I liked it more for how the Battleroid mode looks than the plane itself.

Also I really liked the VF25 Messiah at first so that might have something to do, dunno.

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>>14624822

I don't mind it, reminds me of the SW-XA II, but it's not going to win any beauty contests in fighter mode.

Considering it's a VF-25 with a bunch of aux systems and boosters strapped to it, the disheveled appearance makes sense I guess.

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>>14624822

>>14624924
>>14624963
Eeeh, forward-swept canards don't look good in general, it seems to me.

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>>14624983
Maybe if the YF-29 had more conventional wings it wouldn't be so bad.

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>>14621170
>>14621184
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEpheIQwvtc/

kinda like this?

>>14624656
wish they'd give us a proper kit of the Nothung.

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>>14622781

To be fair, it looks a lot nicer without the super parts.

>>14625083
Those nacelles are so weird, in the point they are, on forward swept wings, there's just something off about that.

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>>14623925
Sv-52 and YF-24 Evolution are my favs but I really like them all equally.
Well, except for Durandal, which is a clusterfuck. Awesome, high performance clusterfuck but still.
>>14623989
I have soft spot for EX, for it's underdog status.

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>>14623989
how about YF-27-5 Shaher Femail?

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Just got my copy of Macross 30. Any other anons play it? If so, what did you think?

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Anyone here like drawing VF's?

>>14625110

I think it's the best looking version of the 27 by virtue of livery alone.

>>14625146
Just drawing them, or making your own?
I did a VF-like transforming robot plane based on the Corsair on Blender once, making all the bits click together with the thing looking like a decent plane AND a decent robot was such a pain in the ass. It made me appreciate Kawamori's work better.

>>14625162
Just drawing them.
>making all the bits click together with the thing looking like a decent plane AND a decent robot was such a pain in the ass
And Kawamori starts all his designs with lego's too, what an absolute madman.

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>>14625117
I thought it was pretty great. Manually aiming with the gunpod is awesome and being able to fly freely is cool too. Only complaints I had were the occasional slowdown and low flight ceiling.

>>14625117
Actually just got mine a week ago. Loving it, even its rather gamey in a sense. Quests and such. It's not a super advanced realistic combat simulator with transforming jets, but its gets the job done.

Biggest gripe is the 'ceiling' on the maps. Sometime really want to go higher up. Story is silly crossover antics and whatnot, but that's enjoyable too in a way, and it makes for some pretty cool setpieces late game.

Love the VF-selection, which is perhaps the most important thing in a game like this.

>>14625171
>And Kawamori starts all his designs with lego's too, what an absolute madman.

Kawamori is a mechanical designer, though.
If he wanted, he could have ended up a designer of real vehicles and such.
Drawing stuff and designing stuff are two very, very different fields that simply overlap because you can't make designs without somehow showing them and you can't draw good stuff without designing it first, anyway (just think of how much work goes into every character Disney designs and how manz concepts get thrown away left for fancy art books and documentaries).

More mecha less idolshit next time please.

>>14621397
>flipping through the Macross Chronicle artbook thingie
>suddenly Alto in a goth loli dress
God fucking damn it.
He looks so good in it.

>>14622375
you lie

>>14626693
http://www.ggkthx.org/2016/06/kuromukuro-12/#comments

>>14622439

The original ship was modular, but the implication is that it was never meant to transform. Global and the engineers just took advantage of the ship's modularity to transform it and connect the main cannon to an energy supply when the usual conduit disappeared. Exedol and Britai have no idea what the transformation is or why they'd do it afterwards, and Exedol is an archivist whose job is to know about Protoculture stuff.

Being modular isn't the same as enabling a specific transformation, since modularity just means the various bits are interchangeable. It's presented as the ship's engineers idea to make it transform, not take advantage of an existing transformation.

>>14625103

> Sv-52 and YF-24 Evolution are my favs

Are there even any official pics of the Evolution? I find it weird that someone would list something that barely exists on paper (to my knowledge at least) as their favorite.

>>14627345
>Are there even any official pics of the Evolution?
There was a brief scene of a schematic for the YF-24 in Frontier.

>>14627652
>>14627345
>Are there even any official pics of the Evolution?
Here's what you'll find at best.

http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/yf-24.htm

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>>14627345
>>14627652
>>14627700

http://mudspike.rgr.jp/download/ysfs_mod.html
This package for YSflight includes Evolution, as well as many other valkiries. Fun all around, with multiplayer included.

>>14627724
>MFW some madmen made VB-6 model as well.
http://ysfinder.net/index.php?category=type&keyword=VB-6&search_mode=or&sort_category=aircraft&order_category=ASC&list=true
Holy shit.

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>>14627724
>tfw YSFlight install is exiled in an HD somewhere else
Downloading all the packages and shit again will be such a pain in the ass.
Wait, that reminds me, I uploaded it once for a thread on /m/ a while ago, I remember it had some conflicting models that made YS spawn some annoying dialogs on startup, wonder if one of you guys still have it.

>>14627767
Unless you want to catch them all you really need VFX pack I've linked above and all-in-one compilation of all nippon-mecha-which I admit I've lost over years. Old links aren't working anymore and I'll have to dig through all my old HD to find it - last time I've needed it was during Frontier screening. No conflicts thou, unless I've been messing with performance files of different machines, as stock YF-24 was easily outperformed by Maeve/Yukikaze.

>>14628599
It's because my folder had all those packages and stuff accumulated over the years, including VFX of course, which config files I tweaked so the valks weren't so easy to stall.

[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_20_[FF934D06].mkv

>>14628656
It's real, I repeat, it's legit.

>>14627724

It being in YSFlight doesn't make it official, since that's just the developers interpretation if what it could look like, not the definite Macross version. Kawamori has never designed one, nor has any ever done so with his permission, so the schematic seen in Frontier, which is of fighter mode only is all that there actually is. What you are a fan of is a tan design, not an actual one.

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IT'S OVER HOW CAN SHE EVER RECOVER

>>14628732
>Mirage calling anyone else useless
If she wasn't part of the triangle (in theory at least), she'd have already gone the way of the Kakizaki.

>>14628656
about time

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>>14628732
IT'S OVER HOW CAN HE EVER RECOVER

>>14628824
>>14628732

Does Mirage have any ground to talk shit about anyone?

>>14628911
After watching the episode I got the feeling she was deep down meaning something like "stop this sulking about giving up on your talents, at least you two HAVE talents, for fuck's sake."

>>14628911
at that moment, yeah
it's not like she was talking shit about their abilities

Am I the one who really feels mostly irked by Mirage's scene? Like fucking hell, I hadn't complained before, but at that point it really did feel like it'd be better if she just wasn't there.

>>14628949
Eh, why?

does anyone have that military article about a new prototype missile that can turn on a dime at high speeds, much like macross?

>>14629083
Because it was cringey, it got in the way of something that desperately needed to happen (a talk between Freyja and Hayate) it didn't solve anything, and it was mostly just her venting? I get it sure, she feels she's talentless, they were talking about quitting doing the things they have both have amazing talents for. But what she did accomplished nothing. It solved nothing. It's not like the two couldn't have progressed to the next stage in a dialogue. Heck, there were no more dialogue between the two precisely because Mirage interfered. Literally a foil action.

>>14629222

Mirage is seriously the load of Delta at this point. The show would be so much better had she never existed.

>>14629268
>if she, who is part of the trianlge, has never existed.
Not a macross anymore.

>>14629142
The AIM-9X?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4_jzqBJnA

>>14629439
Kawamori says fuck you, he never wanted a triangle in the first place.