Shin Godzilla #double 7: OST of despair edition

>>14577023
>a shaft of light is all I need to cease the darkness killing me
Godzilla sure has a fancy way of saying "I shoot planes with my lasers"

>>14577023
http://pastebin.com/pW30aaHq

>Godzilla the opera

>>14577023
>Literally a song from Godzilla's perspective, in this movie
God bless this movie.

After all these years, Godzilla got his own villain song.

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I believe this image adequately sums up the movie's reception.

>>14577023
Sounds like the death scene of burning godzilla.

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>>14577286

>>14577286
Anno strikes again, for the glory of Japan.

So Shin came out? How was it, how are people reacting to it?

>>14577286
>>14577313
>>14577319
Post every smug Anno picture you have, shin Godzilla related or otherwise.

>>14577161
Shin is a right tiny-armed pretentious schmuck.

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>>14577339
How can you shit talk a man with such a positive attitude?

>>14577345
Just sayin' he can be a bit of a drama queen at times is all.

>>14577364
He's under a lot of pressure with his debut being the first movie in over a decade, anyone would be melodramatic with that weight on their shoulders.

>>14577345
Godzilla confirmed for John Cena

Is there a link to the ost?

I got the Biollante BD the other day, finally got around to watching it. There's that scene in the esper school where she asks the kids to hold up pictures showing their dreams, and sure enough a few of em look like Shin. Can't cap it, but I'm sure someone here can. One picture has the tiny arms, and another is of his head with the crazy eyes.

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>>14577433
Cena wishes he were Godzilla--the hack isn't even Gabara tier.

>>14577465
#!Q0dmUIyZ!QwcjXiS1nCJn5FuZXxZN2Ko5xII6D7Uf3QPPDNI79Uw

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>>>14577885

from what i said last thread


am i the only one put off from this DARK DEEP N' EDGY version of big G?

>>14577957
>Wahhhh this movie I haven't watched in the worst movie ever

Fuck off and die, shitposter.

>>14577957
I have to seem him in motion (or lack there of) for a final verdict,but I'm lukewarm on it.

I do like the bandai vinyl though.

>>14577957
i like the idea that toho will do dark destroyer godzilla, and legendary will do the more heroic godzilla

Childhoodis when you idolize Godzilla
Adulthood is when you realize that Gabara makes more sense

>>14577957
It's disruptive, but it's being disruptive in a good way.
The Godzilla franchise needed a kick start, and this is the best way of doing so:
>Over the top and disturbing design.
>New abilities that open up new possibilities for Godzilla.
>Mystery to what Godzilla actually is.
>Deliberately making brash choices in order to get people talking.

Now that a "Fully" CG Toho Godzilla has been made, Toho/Friends can understand what works and didn't work, tie loose ends, and work towards other monsters in the future.

>>14577328
Japanese critic and public reception has been really good so far and it was #1 at the box office this weekend.

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>>14577957

Fuck off. Godzilla was an antagonist from 1954 to 1964. Then in 1984 and 2001. Otherwise he's been either a super hero or anti-hero.

I'm glad Toho went this direction.

So what are y'all's prediction on the anime?

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>>14578685
Slice of life moments with various Godzilla incarnations and other kaiju

>>14578685
Do we know if it's an actual Anime Series, and just a OVA styled one off?

>>14577172
Just a correction to the selfie-phone stuff, that's only in the first five minutes of the movie. People standing on docks to take photos of the waterspout, and there's a niconico stream inside the tunnel during evacuation, but after that there's zero 'selfie' stuff in the movie to the best of my knowledge.

>>14577957
We're getting two cakes now. Murrican Godzilla is our hero, Shin Godzilla gets to be the great destroyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgDR_8pkLN8&feature=youtu.be

>>14578990
Yeah I saw that too. Apparently pieced together from the variety show footage.

Dat wide shot looks awkward as fuck. That last close-up though... :o

>>14579014
I wonder what he's thinking about during this constant ineffective bombing.

>>14578990
*bonk*

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>>14579025
>I should buy a boat

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>>14578990
Neato

>>14579038
When the 1st/2nd form is coming onto land they first swim through a canal and boats just pile up and spill into the streets.

>>14578699
>it's a gigan and megalon episode

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>>14579049

>>14579051
>tfw no hands

>>14577909
Thanks. I hope a flac rip gets release eventually.

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>>14577957
Go fucking watch capeshit.

>>14579464
Please, capeshit is too highbrow for his taste; bayformers are much more suitable for plebs that can't handle a little horror.

>>14578766
>>14578685
It won't be as cool as the one from 1993 where Toho asked AIC to do it?

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>>14577023
So do these lyrics mean that Godzilla gets a temporary joy from shooting his ray?
>inb4 the atomic breath is actually jizz

>>14579626

Dunno, from what I see it's like blowing his load. Comes out of his mouth, back and tail. But leaves him extremely tired.

The song is most likely about his motives. We just don't know it. Only he does.

>>14579675
>Kaneko makes Godzilla a mean cruel sonuvabitch that elicits no sympathy
>Anno makes Godzilla both scary and sad
>just like the original
Anno knows what's up.

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For those who've seen Shin Godzilla, how does it compare to Gojira? Does Shin even come close?

And what's the consensus on the quality of the CGI? Most say it's solid and others call it outright terrible.

>>14579690
That's why no matter what criticism you can have of Anno he definitley loves Godzilla and wanted above all else to do right by the original. People are getting their opinions too mixed up with what he did with Eva.

>>14579713
>>14579690

Well he is the master, anons.

>>14579044
Yeah, cool little detail.

>>14579555
>implying Godzilla isn't even shittier dreck than capeshit

Just because you like camp, doesn't mean it's not camp.

>>14579044
What am I looking at?

>>14578990
...The effects are awful.

>>14579728
Just because something is "camp" (whatever that actually means) doesn't mean it can't be well-made.

>>14579728
Even the shittiest Godzilla has more thought, talent and passion put into it than capeshit.

>>14579730
When the military bombs him, at the last second as a bomb hits his face, a membrane covers his eye. Like when a shark rolls it's eyes back to protect them when biting/attacking.

>>14579751
I've seen other people say it's just the reflection of the bomb.

>>14579748
I'm not a massive capeshitter either anon, but don't try to claim that something like VS. Megalon had any passion involved in it. I love it, but not because it's anything more than a meme movie.

>>14579762

I thought that too, until watching it in slow-mo. It covers his eye.

>>14579764
Watch that dam destruction scene and tell me there isn't heart put into that.

>>14579766
Well fuck.

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>>14579772

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Time to dump, pls come translator anon

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>>14579794

I assume from this he transformed into the previous good Showa incarnation before reverting back

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>>14579795

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>>14579797

>>14579790
>I can be your angel or yuor devil

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>>14579808
>>14579836

>>14579772
>mr. "I don't know how to live anymore" had any passion

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>>14579848

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>>14579862

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>>14578685
My hope is that it's the exact same as Godzilla Island, but with anime instead of puppets. I need more cool Gigan.

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>>14579862
>>14579869
>original goji is the smallest and uses kiryu as his custom suit
>>14579989
Same, I love the idea of all the kaiju just hanging out and getting into shit

>>14579989
https://youtu.be/6E6t37NRfN8
Hope we get this scene remade

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So allegedly JR Lipartito, Jim Ballard, and Norman England hate Shin Godzilla. Ballard went as far as to call it the worst Godzilla film. He and Lipartito uploaded a lengthy video about it. I guess everyone's favorite insiders dislike Anno's work on the franchise. But unlike Final Wars, where England wasn't thrilled either, Shin Godzilla has done great business and most opinions are quite positive.

>>14580029
>caring about literally whos

>>14580029
Who?

>>14580029
I watched Ballards' whole review and it's actually not as scathing as it's made out to be. There are things that bugs him that won't bug others. And Norman England is a psychotic delusional motherfucker. Who cares what he thinks.

>>14580029
who

>>14578990

those bouncing missiles. kek.

>>14580029
The only Godzilla fans opinion I tend to care about is Steve Ryfle

>>14580046
It's rather harsh, anon. They dislike the visuals (save a few scenes) and said it looked terrible. Laughable actually. They didn't like the audio effects or the soundtrack. And they described the characters and story as ineffective and flat. Ultimately, one of the worst, if not the worst, Godzilla films and a bad film in general. How is that not scathing?

>>14580029
>I didn't understand the story because it's in FUCKING GOOK!!!!!!!!!!! 0/10 worst movie ever not enough action

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>>14580029
>Norman England

if it ain't august ran-goonie then it aint shit

>>14580061
But at the end he pretty much says there were lots of things he liked we well, and said overall it wasn't the worst by any means and that his opinion was completely subjective.

>>14580085
>August
People need to quit worshiping fandom celebrities. They may have done a lot for the subculture but not everything they say is gospel.

>>14579728
>Anno
>Camp
Pick one and only one you cum-guzzling disney loving /co/cksucker.

>>14580115
DCuck detected.

>>14580115
Did your mother drop you on your head as a kid? Anno's work is campy as fuck.

>>14580090
I don't know. They sounded thoroughly dissatisfied, saying they don't understand how people could be so positive about it and in the comment section they said it was in the bottom three of the franchise. And people usually place Godzilla vs Megalon, Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla, and Godzilla's Revenge down there. Someone who is supposedly in touch with them said they consider it their least favorite Gflick. Bad story and lackluster characters + terrible visuals + inappropriate sound/score = Not that scathing?

What really took the cake is that they praise the story and characters of G14. Even many of those who like that film aren't bold enough to go that far. Most just take the opportunity to bash the franchise. Honestly, I think Ballard just strongly dislikes Anno. Seems that way at least, especially since he isn't fond of Evangelion either.

>>14580138
>Anon provides a flaccid rebuttal, fumbles the execution, and offers no evidence to support his whimpers

Try harder next time little boy.

>>14580061
So they watched a Godzilla film. They just described EVERY fucking Godzilla film. Holy shit.

>>14580139
That's them being crabby. And Ballard is a crabby fellow. At least in the video itself they seem to stress that it just want their taste.

As for personally disliking Anno, that makes sense. Similar to August and Norman England's apparent negative media campaign against Final Wars because of Kitamura, or J.D Lees' outright personal vendetta against Kaneko (he refused to think of GMK as a Godzilla film)

>>14580139
>Praise
>Calling it a flawed good movie.
Alright.
Can't make a call on the characters, cuz I didn't see Shin yet.

They even said watch the film to form your own opinions.

>>14580148
Outside Shiki-Jitsu the guy has only directed B-films and you think they're not campy? Yeah, you're retarded. You should get certified, since you probably pose a danger to yourself.

>>14580163
This. That whole review was hilarious.

>>14580139

>>14580078

>>14580229
Why are you shilling for e-celebs?

>>14580163
Eh. The early Godzilla films had acceptable effects work for the time. And the characters, while usually not developed much, were likeable and balance between human and monster was solid. I'm tired of the "all Godzilla human characters suck."

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>>14580230
>Gets btfo'd, responds with middle school ad hominen
Wanna know how I know you're new?

>>14580195
Does JD lees not like the holy Gamera trilogy either, or does he just not like zombie zilla?

>>14579848
Is it me, or does the 2 godzillas complement each other.

https://youtu.be/2BoE9__99hs

>>14580300
Tall and fat meets short and skinny?

>>14580303
More like:
Less Godzilla like: more screen time.
More Godzilla like: less screen time.

>>14580139

>Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla

What was so bad about it?

I watched it a couple weeks back and I thought it was pretty enjoyable

I liked the defence minister, pity she got killed by Godzilla. The bits with her barking "WE'RE GONNA SHOOT IT LET US SHOOT IT WOOHOO LET'S SHOOT IT" at the PM were fun.

>>14580029
I want to know what the AVGN's opinion on it; especially when it comes to both the metamorphosis, exposition, and attacks of Shin Godzilla.

>>14580326
He'll most likely be disappointed that traditional effects were only used sparingly. But there's still a chance that he'll have a positive opinion on the story, characters, music, and action.

Does anyone what his favorite Godzilla movies are? Maybe we can narrow things down.

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>>14580318

I liked it, too. Dad Goji is best.

>>14580295
I don't know about the first two, but he HATES Gamera 3. Granted, it's a dark as fuck movie about the friend of all children. It made the original Gamera director sad. But still.

The main thing that set him off was the almost-tentacle-rape scene.

>>14580344
Eh, sounds like it's more "Not muh childhood" than legitimate criticism.

Godzilla is 62 years old, it's natural for older fans not to like newer iterations, especially if they arent already familiar with Anno's style.

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>>14580344
> It made the original Gamera director sad.
Can I get the sauce on this? Sounds interesting.

> J.D Lees upset about tentacle scene
It was a brief and merely suggestive moment. Dude needs to get over himself.

>>14580357
It is, but JD is too much of a manchild to separate "bad movie" from "it didn't meet my personal checklist of arbitrary expectations." Film was literally 2deep for him.

>>14580357
That makes no sense considering this movie is not only made by "older fans" like Anno but evokes the original movie.
I'm going to assume you're one of /krg/'s very special people who call all Showa Rider fans nostalgiafags.

>>14580364
I'm at work and on my phone right now so I can't easily look it up. Shouldn't be too hard to find, though.

>>14580326
He comes off to me as a generic American kaiju fan, not hardcore-deep into the stuff, but not that much of a casual either. He has a lot of fondness for old-school stuff he knew as a kid, so I wouldn't be surprised if he found the changes they made to Godzilla off-putting, even if he likes the film overall. Maybe he'll react a similar way as to G14: like it at first because it's Japanese, then get second thoughts on it.

What does it matter, though?

>>14580391
James hates generic American monsters, it's why he didn't like the MUTOS

>>14580376
Read my post again Billy, you and I are in agreement.
>>14580372 spells it out better.

Not all, but certainly most old folks fucking hate any kind of change done to what they precieve as "they're" movies.

>>14580381
Closest thing I found was this:

Interviewer: What do you think of GAMERA - THE GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE and GAMERA 2 - LEGION ATTACK?
Noriaki Yuasa: They are movies for older fans of monster films rather than children. I'd prefer them to be children's movies.
The two films are too dramatic. For example, there is no need for Asagi's cheek to be cut in GAMERA - THE GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE. There's also no need for Gamera to be the guardian of the universe. (Ayako Fujitani plays Asagi Kusanagi, a young woman who has a telepathic link to Gamera, in both GAMERA - THE GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE and GAMERA 2 - LEGION ATTACK.)
They're just Gamera movies. They're not art films.

>>14580418
For Yuada, making children smile was art.

>>14580426
Fucking phone. Yuasa.

>>14580284
Yes bro, yelling "Inazuma Lightning Kick" is not campy at all. You're the newfriend here. Fuck off.

>>14580588
>lightning lightning kick

>>14580252
No they didn't, which is a major reason why the franchise swiftly turned away from the more terrifying, serious tone of the first film. Read up on it; people were laughing in the cinemas, even back in 1954. And others felt bad for Godzilla.

It can't have been that convincingly monstrous then, could it?

>>14580604
You were supposed to feel bad for him because we just fucked his shit up. Honda maintained that notion forever.

>>14580598
Nice comeback, faggot. Why are you still here, again? Evageeks want you back.

>>14580620
>Honda maintained that notion forever.

Only after he saw in what manner people received the film.

>>14580604
Ishiro Honda wanted to keep an air of seriousness about his films. Shinichi Sekizawa and Eiji Tsuburaya were the ones more interested in targeting younger audiences. As the competition increased (Gamera and other monsters) and the ticket sales decreased (Japanese film industry was on the decline) Toho mandated the change in order to secure said younger audiences.

Honda's early films (G54, Mothra vs Godzilla, Ghidorah, Monster Zero) have the best human characters. Fukuda could deliver too.

>>14580643
Ghidorah had the worst human cast in the entire franchise, literally every single human was an unlikable cunt who took over the whole movie with the retarded expionage garbage that felt like it came out of another movie.

>>14580604
>>14580643

And it took Toho ten years to notice people were laughing at their films, huh? Aside from King Kong vs Godzilla, things didn't really get light-hearted until Ghidorah.

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>>14580655
> Ghidorah had the worst human cast in the entire franchise
Yeah. You're done. Ghidorah's cast is better than anything in the Heisei Era, most of the Millennium films, and wipes the floor with G14.

>>14580655
Get out.

>>14580666
>Muh Showa

Let me guess, Riders 1 & 2 are the best Riders right?

>>14580666
Devilman is right, Ghidorah has one of the best casts in the series. The /krg/ contamination is strong in this thread.

>>14580666
Glen and Tetsuo alone are superior to every screeching faggot in Ghidorah. The fucking aliens in Astro Monster were more likable.

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>>14580682
They are though, Stronger too. But I doubt this faggot thinks so anyway.

>>14580702
Implying the Controller wasn't an interesting or likeable character on his own accord

>>14580733
Wasn't his accent supposed to mimic a kappa or something similar?

>>14580666
Son of Godzilla had a better cast despite the issues the movie itself had. Monster Zero definitely did. Destroy all Monsters, MechaGodzilla, I don't know why you're lauding Ghidorah.

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>>14580780
Because the cast of Ghidorah is good and the film itself is one of the best in the series.

>>14580808
Stop responding to flaccid bait.

>>14580730
All Kamen Rider is shit for babies and retards regardless of era. The Showa vs Heisei issue with the fans makes me laugh when the franchise is garbage from start to finish.

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>>14580835

>>14580835
>All Kamen Rider is shit for babies and retards regardless of era
You're going to pull that card? On "Children's Toy Commercials: The Board"? Accept that you're a manchild like the rest of us and move the fuck on.

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>>14580835
You're being unfair, anon. Showa Rider was indeed awful, until Black and RX, but Heisei is legit great and did what more long-running franchises need to do if they want to last by challenging the cliches and tropes the series had fallen into. This is why Rider thrives while Ultraman stagnates; same boring moralfag protags, same monsters, same recurring characters, etc.

>>14580928
>Showa Rider was indeed awful, until Black and RX
(you)

>>14580974
Nice argument. You really showed me.

>>14580981

nice face.

>>14580928
But you're fucking retarded

>>14580928
>Rider Thrives
>it also uses the same shitty suits.

>>14581144
Another great argument.

>>14581147
What do you even mean?

>>14580981
>>14581163
>M-muh manchild entertainment is better than YOUR manchild entertainment
Oh, summer~

>>14581183

Is English honestly your second language?
What are you even talking about? Actually try addressing what I said.

>>14579794

This one makes me want a "you aren't yourself till you've had a snickers" comic with Shin goji being given one and turning into cute as fuck zilla jr.

Anyone have pics of the face on the tail?

>>14577957
Godzilla has always been an allegory for nuclear power. The original was about the atomic bomb, this time it's about nuclear disaster and how inept the Japanese government is against it. If anything, it's return to its original form.

>>14578986
I hope they fight next decade anniversary.
That'd be cool.

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>>14581967
Anno took the same approach (using the monster to address the anxieties of the time) without settling simply for a straight-forward remake or something else safe in nature. Gojira was shocking for its day, though I'm not so sure an updated replica would be enough. So Anno, using his unique visionary direction, made a more grotesque product. It's very familiar, yet very different at the same time. And if the positive reception is any indication, it seems like he managed to breathe new life into a stagnant series.

>>14582408
What do you think Eiji Tsuburaya would think?

>>14582473
Doesn't matter. He was the special effects guy. We should ask what Sekizawa would think.

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>>14582473
Ishiro Honda said this in the 90s:
"Godzilla was a product of the times. There previously had been no monster like him. So, people were frightened, and shocked, by him. Now, when Godzilla appears in a city, most of the buildings are even taller than he is!

The image of what a monster is shouldn't stay the same. It should be different so that people will be shocked and surprised, just as they were by GODZILLA - KING OF THE MONSTERS in 1954. Something new, and strange, must be created."

And speaking of Tsuburaya, how do you anons feel about pic related? Is this the bold vision the Ultra series needs now?

>>14580053

Not missiles, but GP bombs, probably 2000lb Mark 84s by the size of the blasts. Due to the delayed fuse and Godzilla's super-tough skin, it's not that farfetched that they'd act like that.

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>>14582523
Ragone would piledrive you into the pavement for saying that.

>>14582582
I want Japan's economic coma to end so company's don't have to suck the otaku dick quite as much just to get by.

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>>14582615
Ragone can suck my dick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv-llkDxeb4

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>>14582623
>Wanting a 50+yo man anywhere near your junk
Christ you nu-male summerfags are hopeless.

Sekizawa is a communist so none of his opinions actually matter, but even if he werent Tsuburaya is still more important as he over saw the every stage of the monster's life until All Monsters Attack and was one of the original three who brought him to life in the first place.

>>14582679
>implying 50+yo doesn't know how to suck a dick the best

>Sekizawa is a communist so none of his opinions actually matter
Nice strawman.
>was one of the original three who brought him to life in the first place.
Four. Honda, Tsuburaya, Kayama and Tanaka.

>>14582679
Didn't Sekizawa play a significant role in pushing the series into a more light-hearted direction? Tsuburaya didn't mind, he had noticed that children loved the monsters and wanted to entertain them. Honda didn't exactly approve of too much silliness. I wonder how Toho convinced him to direct Godzilla's Revenge.

>>14582696
Whimpering strawman isn't an argument, nor is failing to provide any reason the fat ass should be held in the same esteem as the real fathers of Godzilla.

The burden of proof is in your hands and you've got butter fingers lad. Do you have the clout to back up your claims, or are you just going to sit on your ass and mumble some ad homine like a cuck?

>>14582709
Not significantly; Tsuburaya was in full grandpa mode by the time Mothra was in production, and you can see it in all of his work past that sans Matango. He's even quoted during Ultra Q's production as advising his writing staff not to write anything too graphic because the tykes will be watching.

>>14582709
Sekizawa wrote most of Showa, essentially making Godzilla what he was during that era.

>>14582718
>Whimpering strawman isn't an argument,
Neither is ignoring someone's opinion because he may or may not be a communist. You'd need to cite a source for that.

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I just want Toho to do shot for shot re-makes of the old movies with the godzilla from the space godzilla movie, and use Little Godzilla instead of Minya. Just crank out like 15 or 20 of the old ones with all newer suits. The scripts are done, the cinematography is done, hell the music is done. Just get some new suits, sets and actors.

>>14582718
Burden of proof goes both ways, you might want to cite your own shit before calling others out on them.

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>>14582724
Surely you jest...

Somewhat relevant, Honda's thoughts on the early Heisei films:
Interviewer: What do you think of the most recent Godzilla movies? (They include GODZILLA VS. BIOLLANTE (1989), GODZILLA VS. GHIDRAH (1991), and GODZILLA VS. MOTHRA (1992).)
Honda: That's a very difficult question to answer. I don't really have a positive or negative opinion about them. The special effects technically are very sophisticated, but the films lack imagination. It seems as if all Toho is trying to do is show things being destroyed. I don't fault the members of the production department, though, because I know that that is what Toho's executives are demanding.

>>14582752
I mean, ultimately, I'd settle for the old stories with modern effects. Terror of Mechagodzilla redone would be amazing. Hell, just re-do both of the Mechagodzilla movies with modern technology, and keep the older design mentality with modern effects. I'd be happy. Throw in the Megalon movie and maybe Godzilla vs the Sea Monster...

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>>14582719
>>14582729
>Gets called out, resorts to samefagging, crying muh opinions, and still salty over a communist crack

Your first fallacy is trying to flip the burden of proof when it's already been cast on you. That shit didn't fly in Greece and you're not about to change that here. Instead, you failed and made your claim look even flimsier.
Your second fuck up was expecting people to give a shit about your opinion as if you're someone of importance.

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>>14582756
Although the Showa Era is my favorite era, I'd rather Toho create new stories. And definitely leave the immobile, obese Heisei designs in the 90s. Not sure what happened after BioGoji, but it wasn't good.

>>14582767
We've reached the nadir of fatzilla in '14, he can only get thinner from there. Shin's thighs are massive from pulling that tail.

>>14582758
>implying implications
Dude, show your own proof before you call other out on whatever bullshit they're spouting.

>>14582724
Straight up remaking Godzilla would be disastrous.

>>14582767
They probably wanted to build AC units into the suits for the actors or something. Obviously whatever the problem was ended after Destroyah cleared the way for the 2000 design (which I also liked, but didn't like the head.) If I could get the mobility of the 2000 suit with a head more like bioGoji's, it'd be better.

And you're definitely right, we need some new stories in the mix. I'd just be happy to see some of my favorites re-imagined with perhaps a bit tighter of a story.

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>>14582776
>fatzilla

Stop using 2ch memes

In any case, 2014 wasn't fat, he's swole as fuck

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>>14582791
Stop defending this, anon

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>>14582777
Honda, Tsuburaya, and Tanaka's influence on the direction of Godzilla's career is well documented and defined as the tone of the film, the limitations and strengths of the effects team, and the man footing the bill and keeping the dinosaur alive.
You've done nothing to prove Sekizawa is anywhere near their level, and you won't in your response either.

>>14582791
No, that's just fat.

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>>14582795
>using a statue as evidence

>>14582799
No its not.

>>14582795
>All that goddamn back fat like a river bass
Has anyone else noticed Edwards looks exactly like Brendon Frasier? He's probably in the same mental state as well.

>>14582798
I see no citing, just that it's been documented. Same as any, you can refer yourself towards movie credits with Sekizawa being the writer. You can start with this. http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/person/p0066260.htm

>>14582622
You're going to have to wait decades. The economic slump was centrally planned. Much like in Europe, they're using monetary policy to slowly choke the life out of the population.

It's a slow boiled genocide, as revenge for WW2.

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>>14582795
Now I see why they kept the movie so black. 2014 Godzilla looks more like a bad brodude parody of Godzilla than a real Godzilla.

>>14582801
> Looks like an overweight, bipedal terror dog
Bravo Edwards. And that darkness is ridiculous.

>>14582696
>strawman
It's called ad hominem, junior.

>>14582776
And yet, it was the most he's moved in years, save Final Wars.
He was like the Chris Farley of giant monsters.

>>14582801
I don't remember the movie being this dark in the theatre, was there some kind of screw up with the dvds like what happened to the Aliens vs Predator sequel?

>>14582946
Yup. No joke.

>>14582956
Source on that?

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>>14582946
Maybe. I dont think it's too terribly dark though

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>>14582946
If I remember correctly, it was that dark in the theaters. Or pretty darn close. But to answer your question, yes there was a screwup with the hone video release. Or so I heard.

People whine about G98 for hiding its effects when G14 does the same and gets a free pass.

And ShinGoji doesn't look too bad.

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>>14582965
That's almost pitch black.

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>>14582974
Maybe your screen brightness settings are wrong

>>14582971
Obviously the answer is this: if you show your character breathing fire, nobody will care.

>>14582984
No, the movie's just way too black.

>>14582985
Godzilla shouldn't breathe fire. That's a misconception and G14 failed miserably in this regard.

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>>14582984
I remember it looking more like this during the premiere.

>>14583002
Go to bed, Roland Emmerich.

>>14583009
>what is atomic breath
It's not fire.

>>14583019
Yes, but concentrated radioactive steam doesn't have quite the rhetorical weight to describe it.

>>14582946
iirc, they darkened the blu-ray release a shitload. I think the japanese blu-ray has original undarkened quality?

>>14582971
Do Shin's arms always stay like that it looks really weird.

>>14583144
>what is visual allegory for atomic bomb victims

>>14583144
>>14583156
Do a google image search.

It's not the atom bombs but the victims of a reactor accident (the one that made Millenium Godzilla's breath change colour to orange for some time).

Google image search 東海村JCO核燃料加工施設臨界事故.

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>>14583144
It's almost like people haven't seen the original film... Anno repeatedly referenced it throughout production.

>>14583732
I've seen the hands a sign of "Being sinful" and needing to be "Cleansed".

>>14583771
does that mean when Tylor Perry makes a Godzilla he'll be played by Seal?

>>14583771
Or it could be to highlight his godly status as the most complex lifeform on earth.

>>14582810
(((They))) seem to have gone into full panic mode recently, and the nationalistic streak Japan's recently seen could lead to some very interesting and beneficial changes in the country's future. At least they don't have to worry about getting eaten by the chinese with that country beginning to flat-line.

>>14583771
Godzilla died for your sins

>>14583771
You've seen them wrong.

>>14583823
>Only after taking down this mighty beast, we realized that humans are covered in Sin.

>>14583820
>the nationalistic streak Japan's recently
Is a controlled, preemptive fire. Abe is a complete puppet, and he will absorb all that rage and channel it against the rest of the population.

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Only noticed recently but Godzilla films have some pretty attractive girls in them. Who would your Godzilla waifu be?

>>14583849
Mothra.
take your waifufaggotry elsewhere

>>14583833
Abe being a puppet might be true, but it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle when you've already riled up the people. Same if, say, Trump was also a puppet, you've still got a very focused and angry white middle class that wants the government to start focusing on them instead of non-citizens and various shitskins.

Getting back to Shin, that Ballard "review" had my sides in orbit, and I can only hope a truck load of salt pours out of G-fan issues in the near future. Apparently a giant dinosaur really can be 2deep for some people.

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>>14583853
> Apparently a giant dinosaur really can be 2deep for some people.
Is that really surprising? Almost everything major Anno has done since NGE has proven divisive. The man's work just inspires passionate reactions.

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>>14583872
>Ultra Anno teaches people to read.
>Japanese Jontron is absorbed in his on adventure.

>>14583872
Not really, just I had hoped the people who took umbrage with the film to have legitimate issues, and not just bitch that he looks different or his origin has been changed.
That Honda quote about monsters needing to change with the times some where in this thread needs to be hammered into them, but I know it won't do any good.

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>>14583851
But even Honda had his waifu:
"The best actress was Kumi Mizuno. She always seemed genuine. Whenever she worked on a movie, she would just step right into her role. All of the other better actors were like that as well."

>>14583895
>Not really, just I had hoped the people who took umbrage with the film to have legitimate issues

Let me shatter your reality for a second:

This is pretty much the fundamental nature of critique in general for as long as the masses are able to make their voices heard.

If you want an assessment of the technical/historical/some other quantifiable evaluative merit of a work, you need to find yourself an academic. Otherwise you're just running headfirst into people's incredibly subjective opinions.

>>14583853
>Apparently a giant dinosaur really can be 2deep for some people.
Welcome to 1954.

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>>14583912
It's not that I'm some teary-eyed idealist who wants everyone to be positive all the time, it's just that I expected a little better from the senior members of the fandom.

Let me put it this way: Godzilla has changed dozens of times throughout his history to the point he may as well be a dc character. If these older fans could weather the change from grumpy dinosaur to superheroic dinosaur to animalistic dinosaur, then deal with constant reboots of the Millennium series, why should a bad case of ichthyosis and purpledrank breath be considered sacrilegious?

TL;DR: these old fucks know Godzilla never stays the same, and should stop acting like /v/irgins when the series takes a new direction.

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>>14583895
The moment Anno was announced this was destined to happen. Look at how hostile some people were towards Godzilla's depiction in GMK. But honestly, Kaneko and Anno didn't go that far.

>>14583943
>woah get this kid away from me

>>14583943
People have always been hostile towards new depiction of Godzilla.

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>>14583950
Kaneko's interpretation (Banno before him) seemed to attract special attention for the longest time. But looks like he can rest easy now, Anno is the new target. And the Heisei/most of Millennium versions seemed to be received well by the majority of the fanbase.

>>14583849
Akane.
Try to watch those scenes where she leans in close to Sara and smiles and try not to fall in love/want to be dominated by her.

>>14583943
>>14583948
MORE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Honestly it seems like the only people angry about this movie are buttblasted westerners who haven't seen it yet. Anno doesn't need to worry so long as he doesn't read Toho Kingdom.

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>>14583989
If Anno cared what his critics thought, he would have changed his ways a long time ago. People should let him be himself, at the very least it always generates interesting discussion and imagery.

Now Tsuburaya needs to let him take a swing at Ultraman.

>>14584025

True, but I bet he's pretty happy with how the film's gone over as a fan himself.

Also damn that's cute.

>>14584025
Anno cared about his critics, considering Shinji is based on himself and he looks awkward as fuck on the interviews. It's just that Anno musn't run away., just like Shinji get into the damn robot and he receive shit in-universe and out-universe for it

>/tv/ says it's laughably bad, on the same level as The Room or Troll 2
>/m/ says it's great, one of the best in the franchise
who should I listen to?

>>14584104
On one end, shitposters.
On the other, shit taste.

I guess you have to go see it for yourself and make up your own damn mind!

>>14584104
>listening to /tv/
>ever

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>>14584104
Most of /tv/ hasn't even seen it . Probably not even the trailer, which doesn't tell you much. /m/ has more credibility in this case. And if it means anything, most people who've seen it seem to love it.

>>14584104
Neither. Make your own damn decision after watching it.

>>>/tv/72821715

The current thread is an absolute trainwreck, admittedly.

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>>14584138
OP's literal argument: it's slightly different than what I remember and similar to Evangelion = garbage

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>>14583849
Kumi Mizuno, most specifically her character in Ebirah Terror from the Deep

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>>14584196
>>14583899
Either her or Pilotfu.

>>14584104
>/meme.v/

>>14584134
>Most of /tv/ hasn't even seen it
No one from /tv/ you mean.

Aside from the guy writing the detailed spoilers and discussing some of the political/social satire stuff I don't recall if anyone else from here have. Maybe one other poster?

The Japanese are loving it.

>>14584128
Has /tv/ ever had good taste or sense at any point, or is it basically the 4chan version of the tvtropes crowd?

>>14584237
more like the tvtards version of 4chan

>>14584237
>is it basically the 4chan version of the tvtropes crowd?

Yes. Only /mu/ is worse.

>>14584221
Shin Godzilla has a lot of political/social satire stuff that foreginers fail to understand, but keynote is bright and positive.
Considering Anno's depression recentry he confessed, it was surprise for us and we're happy to see that.
It's like Godzilla 1.0: You Are (Not) Alone.

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>>14584263
>>14584266
Jesusfuck, do they still worship youtube celebrities instead of forming their own opinions?

>>14584237
>is it basically the 4chan version of the tvtropes crowd

I though that was /tg/.

>>14584285
Political/social satire?
So it's somewhat similar to a Quentin Tarantino film? Dialogue heavy and stuff.

>>14584321
Kinda, but without the autisim, SJW-isims, and foot fetish.

>>14584332
I thought SJWs hate Tarantino

>>14584321
I don't think Taratino film is satire.
Those are cinéphile jerk off.
And yes, SG is heavy political and military dialogue stuff, but unlike evangelion it was not
pedantry.

>>14584339
>SJWs hate SJWs
You are correct.

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>>14584345
I meant more along the lines of the eccentric nature of the cinematography, exaggerated acting, and text covering the screen I keep hearing about. And Tarantino has somewhat comedic undertone to his work at times.

>>14584384
It's not like Tarantino at all.
Protagonist is a politician and whole movie is about how to conquer the crisis in this japanese society.

>>14584138
how can one group of people be THIS RETARDED

>>14584138
That thread is a goddamn mess, but as Godzilla discussions go, not just on 4chan but in general, it's hardly the worst I had the misfortune of peeking into.

>>14584206
She legit looked like she was going to cry in this scene A+ acting.

>>14580139
>Godzilla vs Megalon, Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla, and Godzilla's Revenge
>no All Monsters Attack

>>14584560
Godzilla's Revenge IS All Monsters Attack.

How many of you have seen Godzilla Raids Again? It's probably the most forgettable of the franchise, nobody ever talks about it.

>>14584576
> It's probably the most forgettable of the franchise, nobody ever talks about it.
Solved your own problem, anon. Most people simply forgets it exists. Not even a bad film. Just unmemorable.

>>14584584
Like the Heisei vs Mothra movie.

Anybody got a screencap of the skeletons on the tail?

>>14584590
Althouth I consider it one of the most G films, unadjusted for inflation, it's the most successful Japanese film in the franchise. Adjusted, King Kong vs Godzilla is on top. I think Shin Godzilla has a chance at dethroning both.

Has Steve Ryfle, August Ragone, or AVGN shared their thoughts about SG yet?

>>14584610
There is only a drawing. There's no screencaps of that.

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>>14584611
"One of the worst G films "

>>14584610
Probably the best we're getting until it opens in Taiwan or China.

>>14584590
>Godzilla and Mothra
>not even a bad film
Like almost every other Godzilla movie made after 1989, it was half baked and thoroughly underwhelming with an uninteresting cast. It was too low energy.

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Anyone here really like KingGoji's side profile?

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>>14582582
> Now, when Godzilla appears in a city, most of the buildings are even taller than he is!
Could pic related still be threatening?

>>14584649
It still could be if you attach a gimmick that makes him an inescapable terror.

like anything within 100 meters gets lethal radiation poisoning that causes their skin to fall off their bones.

Otherwise you wind up with 99' Zilla who was fast enough and small enough compared to the NY skyline that you could lose sight of it easily and thermals didn't pick it up.

>>14584649
Pulses like this maybe
0:26
https://youtu.be/0G7RpGjE6Q4
Nothing much else he could do

>>14584649
I think smaller monsters work better when they're fighting other monsters. Then you can have the buildings to use as cover or set an arena.

>>14584649
Your image incorrectly depicts what its size would be. Those building are in the 200-300m range, so Godzilla should be close to a quarter their height, not 5% of their heigh.

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>>14584795
If so. Could you whip up a more accurate image, anon? Pls and thank you.

>>14584104

hahhaa bane sheev hahaha haha frogs pepes xD dindu kek haha

>>14584649
Imagine him climbing buildings

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>>14584851

>>14584834

Not that anon and being lazy at the moment but a "floor" is like 4-5m so if you compare him to that white with blue windows building in the bottom picture he should probably be about 10-12 windows tall not 6-7.

>>14584560

>No Invasion of Astro Monster

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>>14584994

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>>14583849
I only have one Kaiju Waifu

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>>14585073

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>>14583849
Are Asuka and Rei officially Godzilla girls now?

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>>14584910
Fuck, I can't stand that Lion King-style jaw on it. That design is so shit.

>>14585189
>Asuka in the Squad Kiryu gear
Muh dick.

>>14585223
You're shit.

>>14585189
Rei deserves better.

>>14585296
You too.

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Shin Godzilla is critical and commercial success. Godzilla vs Evangelion merchandise selling like hotcakes. So when can we expect pic related? Would Toho and Studio khara really let this opportunity go by?

>>14584584
It'll always have banana oil

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>>14584851

>>14585308
It'll be a short in front of 3.0+1.0 like God Warrior.

In 2026

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HEY ANGILA

>>14585308
I predict a movie of a series of SD gag shorts, then in the finale about five minutes of totally amazing animation of crazy shit, then when the Mass Produced Kaworu Dummy Plug Mecha King Ghidorahs start descending they cut to the Mothra twins singing Tamashii no Rufuran.
Then the sd monsters dance.

>>14585369
>Anno takes the chance to go nuts over U̶l̶t̶r̶a̶m̶a̶nJet Jaguar

>>14580022
>anguirus breakdancing
>baragon head banging
what is this and where can I watch it

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>>14585337
>>14585605

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>>14585622
Godzilla is a pretty chill dude

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>>14585639
Indeed, anon

>>14585337
I never got this. Was that line a flub, is the audio (or my ears) that bad that I can't make out the "-s", or is Godzilla just a retard who can't pronounce his friend's name right?

>>14582791
I always felt the angular designs of the mutos were such a mistake for a film thats mostly CG

>>14580022
They did a good job at dubbing that white guy.

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>>14585746
I like it

>>14585605
It's Godzilla Island. All the videos can be found on dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/dm_51da1f5231e41

>>14585714
Dub team fucked up and couldn't read the Anguirus' name right, including the 's'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPTy3OMIYc

>>14586233
Dude that's the Godzilla Island theme

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>>14580139
Their criticisms are mostly autistic nitpicking to justify their dislike of the film when the real reason is Anno's approach not being to their personal taste.

>>14585622
>>14585676
Lol. I wonder what Anguirus is saying in the first one?

>>14585639
>framing the shot so copyright is right in focus
I like it.

>>14585639
>Pebsi
oh fug

>>14580139
>bad story
Most Westerners don't even understand it, least know of the references it makes culturally.

>>14585639

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqbbRj3ekCo

>>14588239

>>14582209
>My dream