I can't stand cgi in anime!

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>>14572664

It can be done really well

it's just usually not.

You should got watch Etotama. You should all go watch Etotama

That was freaking 2004, they've done some massive progress in over a decade of fucking around with CG

>>14572696
Was that the 2004 one? I thought it looked worse than that

But you're right, the sequels looked nice

Shame about the adaptation of the story

>>14572760
>Shame about the adaptation of the story
>Oi, I know. let's turn Briarios into a pretty Japanese man, that'll go over right.

>>14572779

It probably would, at least with people not too familiar with the manga. I've read some of it and I wouldn't care personally (though I didn't see the movie) since I don't really care what he used to look like so much as what he does look like.

>>14572796

It changes his character quite a bit though. He was an african soldier who got fucked shredded not some pretty boy.

>>14572779
>let's take the arc where Deunan question's Briareos's loyalty and add an unnecessary clone for some weird love triangle bullshit

>>14572696
Yukikaze's first episode rolled out in 2002.

To this day it still shits on the state of broadcast CGI.

For a technology often decried for showing its age too easily, its CGI has stood the test of time brilliantly.

>>14572696
>>14572760
That was actually from the 2011 TV series

>>14572816
iirc the TV series didn't look as good as the movies

>>14572667
I remember some Etotama webms posted back on /a/ to show how truly awful Berserk 2016s CGI is. Should I go watch Etotama, wise one?

>>14572835
Well that is indeed what he appears to have said in that post.

most recent cg movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnkOpknGok

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>>14572835

Yes. Yes you should.

>>14572664
The industry is goona keep shove it down your throat until you change your mind

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>>14572835
I hate like 90% of CGI used in anime and even I thought Etotama was fucking excellent when it came to the CG. Those gooks knew what they were doing.

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>>14573261
>MFW a legitimately entertaining show that uses CGI great tanks hard while terrible hideously animated abominations continue to sell

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>>14573281
Have you seen the latest Berserk CG?
Holy fucking shit, for such a popular series you'd think those fucking kikes would try to get CG that didn't look so awful.

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>>14572664

Apple Seed Ex Machina had the Best cgi imo.

>>14572906
When Japan goes for a realistic style with CG it usually looks fine. Cel-shaded CG tends to be hit or miss.

>>14573344
I find it's more to do with art direction and how it helps to define the world of the work through its look.

Visual representation is its own form of world building.

Unfortunately I feel few others share this sentiment and prefer to go for raw framerate and other technical-level factors.

>>14573296
The Thing 2011 got shafted so hard by executives it wasn't even funny. I still like it though, given what the crew had to put up with.

>>14573391
>I still like it though

You're part of the problem. You can respect the crew without given a pass to the shit movie.

>>14573416
I still think it's mediocre at worst. It's not as good as Carpenter's, but I think given what they had to work with, it's passable.

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Believe in Orange.

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>>14572664
Who the hell is this?
Why does she look all plastic and weird?
Is this one of those newfangled humanoid cyborgs they got in Japan?

>>14573925

Active Raid is wonderful

>>14573823
Do people genuinely dislike this, other than people who unconditionally hate CG no matter what it looks like?

Because this CG looks pretty good and suits Patlabor's weightier mecha.

>>14574192

I dislike it for being a reboot with bad character design that's just scavenging off a long finished series that had a great ending. How's that count.

>>14574192
I hate it for being a 10-minute high-budget short film that isn't assed to be entirely hand-drawn.

CGI is only excusable (I didn't say good or decent, I said excusable) when you have a small budget strained over a lot of episodes and if it looks decent.

I can't stand CGI in anything desu. 2016 and it still looks like video gamey shit.

>b-b-but you don't even notice CG when it's used well, like for background inlays and...!

shut the fuck up that's not what I'm talking about and you know it

>>14574210
It almost always looks like ass when they do the whole thing in CG, character animation included.

>>14574195
It's not like they pointed at the characters and went "this is noa now, this is gotoh now" and somehow ruined Patlabor forever because a bunch of animators wanted to do a Patlabor thing for an expo.

>>14574227

Patlabor pretty much WAS it's characters though. Even if you toss an ingram there and an SV2 uniform it just feels cheap. Even WXIII at least tried to expand the universe but this? This is somebody's fanfic. I don't care about new Ingram pilot or new car driver. It's not SV2

>>14574250
What's wrong with focusing on different characters in the same setting? It doesn't do anything to diminish the value of the rest of the franchise merely by existing.

>>14574260
>What's wrong with focusing on different characters in the same setting?

Because they're not. If they wanted to get away from the core cast and expand the universe we wouldn't be getting SV2 again, we wouldn't be getting ingrams again.

The reuse of these core elements only show how little confidence they have in the new characters. They could easily do some other major metro city police force or the military or anything with new labors and a new group. They didn't.

>>14574437
very symptomatic of the whole rebooting trend and why it mostly sucks:
clumsy attempts to make old IPs appeal to the new generation (with new techniques and character designs) combined with clumsy attempts to appeal to the old fanbase (with superficial, badly-done references to classic material) resulting in something that doesn't really appeal to either.

>>14574210
>2016 and it still looks like video gamey shit.
Not everything look like a video game.

>>14574480
I know but it's the CURRENT YEAR and most animation studios are actually putting out LESS CONVINCING CG than video games

And I think it's because the majority of CG animators just want to make video games, and those who end up in animation are mostly those who weren't good enough for the vidya industry or for fucking Pixar.

But that's just my theory.

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Shut up and post floofy Deunans

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Behold the future.

>>14574260
If they wanted that they would have set it in America

>>14574493
Irrelevant; anime isn't vidya, and vidya does not own exclusive rights to the use of CGI.

No one ever complains whenever anime has less frames of animation than Street Fighter III, why start now with 3d models?

>>14573391
>The Thing 2011 got shafted so hard by executives it wasn't even funny
???

>>14575107
Wait wait wait wait wait.

Did I mention FpS?
I was only complaining about the general visual aspect of a CGI picture compared to the drawing it's trying to imitate, and it happens to be less convincing in anime than in vidya, regardless of the FpS ratio.

If anything having a high FpS ratio makes cell-shaded CG less convincing because drawings aren't supposed to move with absolute fluidity.

>>14575124
it was originally shot almost entirely with practical effects (puppets and whatnot) but executives said "nuuuh! audiences want CGI!" and as a result it looks mediocre.

>>14575128
>exces ruin everything
idontknowwhatiexpected.jpg

>>14574527
Truth be told, if Berserk 2016 did look like that all the time, I wouldn't mind. Well, at least until you start seeing movement again, then it all goes to shit.

>>14575128
There were some things that were CGI, but yeah, it wasn't caked on like the final product.

CGI is a useful tool (John Carpenter has admitted that he would've used CGI if it was available to him), but it requires a good deal of work for it to look good. It's also the same with practical effects, a huge reason why the Carpenter's The Thing looks so good is because Rob Bottin worked himself into a hospital to get it done. And even then, they had to call in Stan Winston to do the Dog-Thing. And the Blair-Thing, as cool as it is, is pretty underwhelming as a climax once you get past the initial SAN loss.

Both '82 Thing and 2011 Thing had underwhelming final encounters. But I'm sure the latter's reason is that the executives cut the Alien pilot-Thing, so they had to use the Sander-Thing and it's accompanying underwhelming scene as a hurried replacement.

>>14575125
>visual aspect of a CGI picture compared to the drawing it's trying to imitate

It's obviously less convincing because CGI is CGI, trying to make it look like something it isn't completely defeats the point of using CGI in the first place.

Like, people love to praise Guilty Gear Xrd's visual aesthetic, but the real trick to why it's good isn't that the models have frames of animation dropped so as to emulate sprite-based animation; it's the use of dynamic camera alongside excellent visual composition in as many opportunities as possible that makes it work. It cultivates a style and doubles down on it.

I think the field of stylish CGI is underexplored in animation, that its utilization is lazier than it should be.

Though, considering that rendering does have a cost attached to it, I wonder if there has been a bottleneck to creativity in anime CGI this entire time; maybe no one can exceed the bottom line effort because it's not financially viable?

>>14573261
This looks like a shitty CGI European children show.

>>14574208
CG needs buget, why do you think it always looks like shit in anime. While there are a few exceptions, Japan's 2d has always been about cutting corners and saving budget to produce the most cost effective animation

https://sakugablog.yshi.org/2016/08/01/embracing-the-3dcg-menace-ambitious-action-girls-und-panzer-the-movie/

What the fuck I love CGI now

>>14575269
And yet somehow it still looks better than RWBY.

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>>14573261
>it's a "let's apply 2D limited animation techniques to CGI" episode
When we will these gook fucks learn that the advantage of CGI is being able to do things that would be almost impossible for 2D animation? Fucking Beast Wars looks better than 99% of the shit Japan shovels out because Mainframe understood this and added a lot of body language to the characters.

>>14575292
>CG needs buget,

Yeah, Voltron Legendary Defender does a good job mixing 3dcgi and 2D. (And has the reverse problem where the 2D looks like shit compared to the 3D in my opinion.)

Berserk looks better than any of the 70s stuff I've watched and enjoyed. Not even mad. Its the only Japanese CG I've watched though. Dropped unicorn.

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>>14576020
>Berserk looks better than any of the 70s stuff I've watched and enjoyed.
Nigger what? I'm not even an anti-3D fag, but NIGGER WHAT?

>>14575694
That CGI is still jarringly obvious compared to the characters themselves, you either go all the way or don't.

>>14576026
it's bait man

>>14572667
Shame the only good thing about it is the CGI

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>>14576525

bitch, you're gonna need some better bait than that.

>>14576600

Dumb /a/spie.

>>14576600
You sold me /m/an, I'm downloading it right now.

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I think one of the issues is when you go CG, you have to change your style and animation to actually match you're now working with another medium. The anime cel shading look just looks jarring, they are not trying to embrace 3D, but find a cheap way to replace 2D animation, where they should be embracing a new "anime style" that works with 3D animation and embraces 3D animation.

If Clone Wars tried to emulate 2D animation with cell shading and low frame rate and such, it probably would have looked very jarring.

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>>14576789
YOU CAN'T CLEAVE THE SHEEV

>>14572911
You got a lame series that's only hyped up by idiots who watched it on Toonami when they were kids? Interesting.... Heh oh wait I meant the exact opposite of that. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!

>>14573925
Hoping we get some more Orange goodness with the rest of Active Raid

>>14572911
It finished downloading. It's pretty rad so far, thanks anon!

>>14573823
I want this to be good.
Still not sure why you'd wheel Patlabor out for an animator expo, though. Backdoor pilot for a reboot OVA or TV series, maybe?

>>14576959

that's some nice bait

>>14573925
Excellent job Orange, you took everything good about S1 and unlearned it in favor of MJP's spazz-o-vision.

Fucking hell why did I expect anything good from these hacks.

>>14576789
offtop: what is that black sword?

>>14576789
>>14579815
yeah I'm digging how the CG handles edgelord darksabers

>>14572807
>Yukikaze looks good
>Look, ma I'm shitposting!!!

No, it doesn't. MJP shits fury all over it.
I don't know why it is that you bring this completely inaccurate 'view' (as you must be the next closest thing to blind to think in the way you do) into these threads.

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>>14579815
An ancient lightsaber stolen by the Mandalorians ages ago. Maul got it after beating the Deathwatch leader in a duel.

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>>14573296

>>14576600
You were right /m/an. Etotama was pretty fun, and the CGI scenes were really good.

>>14579884
>Majestic Vomitcomet
opinion discarded

>>14579884
An opinion as garbage as this should be ban worthy.

Here's your (you), you clearly earned it.

>>14576020
Berserk in general is shit and i'm glad you people are suffering.

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>>14573296

>>14573261
Didn't they redo this scene in the blu-rays?