Gonna post this everyday until you like it

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>>14549873
I am indifferent to it.

Come the fuck on guys, are we really THIS ded?
At least lets discuss our shit rolls on SF or something.

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>>14550512
All the moon readers, spoiler anons, scanners, and anons with contributions left us for /a/.

>>14550547
/m/ doesn't need those faggots. Fuck them.

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>>14550553
Nice cognitive dissonance.

If I make a save at the end of a route in Extra, then finish other routes in Extra, load up that save, skip through to the end, and then start Unlimited, will I still get the extra scenes? And what route do I have to do to get the extra scenes for Mikoto? Common End 1?

>>14549873
>Mikoto route

Nope. Have a fish!

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>>14550512
>are we really THIS ded?

R18 patch never
Alternative never
SM/TE/TDA tls never
SF never
Forefront NEVER
any 3d TSF piloting game NEVER EVER
ded games
ded franchise
ded threads
ded waifus
ded sergeants
ded Valkyries
ded 00 units
ded slav espers
ded Stasi agents
ded artists
postan a bretty good ded by said ded artist ;_;

>>14550512
It's always the dedest before new content.

>>14550804
Found that one by accident, but how does one get the other non-ending?

>>14550547
when does this happen

>>14549873
That sure is a biiig tunafish

>>14549873
Reading Extra for the first time. Every time meiya starts talking I feel funny in my pants. I've never felt like this before with any other character

Has the uncensored patch come out for the kickstarter yet?

>>14551277
It is because she is the best girl.
Trust me in know that feel.

>>14550153
>>14550547
>>14550643
Please keep our threads clean of Shitmarken trash.

Thank you.

which scene is most deserving of a beneficial mini-animation /m/?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10846261

>>14551419
>not a single vote for Surprise BETA attack?
how, it's such a quintessential moment, the first time you see the BETA, it deserves it

>>14550547
>All the moon readers, spoiler anons, scanners, and anons with contributions left us for /a/.
Funny, because /a/ has no moonreading, spoilers, scans, or contributions. It's just SM memes.

>>14551797
>It's just SM memes.
this, i prefer gacha memes

>>14551797
Pretty much. They got nothing of value.

/a/ is, and always has been shit. Figures that they'd like the absolute worse ML spinoff. I was happy to see their moderation staff take a stance against those threads, but what do you know, a couple of days later and they're back with their shit. /a/ threads are like cockroaches. You gotta step on them a couple of times before they get the idea and stay dead.

>>14551822
At least we're discussing new shit instead of regurgitating SM.

>>14551797
/a/ here
>no moonreading
That's false.
>no spoilers
That's false.
>scans
This one's true, but the people who bought stuff are either not scanning it to spite the community or are too retarded to know how to scan.
>or contributions
A subjective criteria thrown in for the sake of it, I see.

why is Kouki not writing Luna and Beyond Muv Luv?

whose dick do I have to suck to go to Mars?!?

>>14551892
Shit a series far off in the future with humans fighting BETA on colonies ala Starship Troopers would be sweet.

>Going for Ayamine's route
>doing all choices favoring her, obviously
>get >>14549873 instead
>check a walkthrough because wtf
>detect the wrong choice
>was a Chizuru line
Yeah, that's fair

>>14551853
>moonreaders
who

>spoilers
what spoilers

All I see is a circlejerk.

>>14551907
you could do so much cool shit with future Alternative, instead of spinning your wheels endlessly on pointless side material.

the fact of the matter is the war isn't over, there is still a story to be told.
Hopefully with a cloned A-01 squad

>>14551853
Weren't a lot of those so called LN readers proven to be false? I'd take anything an anonymous "moonreader" says with a truck load of salt.

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maybe I'm going through Mental Gymnastics here but, what if Meiya, and by association, the rest of squad 207, never actually loved Takeru in Alternative, but instead, received memories/feelings from Extra and Unlimited, and just accepted them.
At that point do they really "lose" the Takerubowl, if they didn't even want in it in the first place?

I just finished Alternative with no idea of what was going to happen. It was one hell of a ride, and I haven't felt this fuzzy since I finished the Castle Brass books.

I need more. Where do I go from here, doc?

>>14553079
Replay extra for all the foreshadowing
Lurk the threads for anons that wish to share their 1st playthroughs
Dl the OST and cry like girl when Carry On plays

>>14549873
I'm trying to remember how I got that. I was going for Sumika's route, but then I chose "Come up with a back up plan" and next thing I know, Shirogane is on a forced bro-venture.

How the hell do you end up with that?

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>>14553079
you go to bed, nothing has, nor ever will come close to capturing the Magic that was Mainline Muv Luv.
also this >>14553085

>>14553051
A-Anon that's exactly what happens, only the girl you focus on actually loves you of her own accord.

>>14553079
play Altered Fable.
or play KGNE as people say.

>>14549873
>Gonna post this everyday until you like it
Hahaha

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>>14553087
>capturing the Magic that was Mainline Muv Luv
For a while I've been trying to recapture that feeling I had when I really dived into weeb hobbies my senior year. It's something that I can best describe as a "honeymoon" period, because everything seems new, wondrous, and a fun ride. Muv-Luv, from Extra to Alternative managed to recapture that feeling I'd been wanting to feel again. I'm almost mad at myself that I'd been putting it off since June 6th 2012 when I saw pic related posted here (or /a/, I can't remember).

>nothing has, nor ever will come close
Really? Are they so bad that it's not worth watching, or just can't compare to the original material? The stuff showing a post-Alternative V world sounds pretty cool. And I'm not ashamed to admit that SM made me want to finally get ahead to reading the original thing.

>>14553155
If you liked SM, then the other spinoffs won't be a problem. SM is considered by many on /m/ to be by far the worse side story in the series.

>>14553164
Why is SM ranked so low? I didn't think the anime was that bad.

>>14553177

SM for me, even with only second-hand knowledge of Muv Luv until watching it made me want to go and read the original material, the ending was hard to fully stomach, because I knew they were all fucked anyways. And sometimes the drama was a bit too much for me.

>>14553164
I liked SM better than TE, but I never finished TE and I might give it another try now that I finished Alternative. I can see why others wouldn't like SM though, but I'm bad at articulating those reasons. What faults do people find with it?

>>14553190
>What faults do people find with it

SM probably has the worst cast in the series. There are a few standouts, but most of them pale in comparison to even TE. Take Irisdina, who I think is supposed to be the main love interest, who barely gets developed. She's never anything but the Captain. She's always cold, professional, and commanding. While this isn't a bad thing, she never really veers from those traits and so comes off as more of a robot then a genuine human being until the very last scene, which comes out of nowhere. She doesn't really banter or joke with any of her men, even when not in mission, and remains a cypher.

Theo is a much more interesting and human character, but his development is even worse as he seems to jump around erratically. Thus, it's difficult to really take satisfaction in him evolving into a strong, courageous leader and hero at the very end.

Katia pretty much spits on most of ML's themes. She doesn't really believe in sacrifice, and has this sort of blind idealism. Despite having the spotlight, she never really seems to reach a major epiphany or anything, and remains the mostly idealist, cute little girl she started the series as. Despite the focus on her in the first half, she becomes more of a plot device then genuine character in the final half.

Gretel is probably one of the best characters. She's got personality, and is likeable/sympathetic while still retaining flaws, like a good character should and an actual character arc.

Lise is pretty much one of the most hateable characters ever. What's insulting is that they tried to shoehorn in audience sympathy by giving her a rape backstory and oh so sad music during her death, like that will make us ignore the fact that she enjoyed being a bitch. Her motives don't make an iota of logic either. I know she's crazy, but even then, she should be internally logical. Helping the people who fucked her over and want to execute her brother because she loves him so much is retarded.

>>14553279


As for the villains, Beatrix is a one-dimensional villain who does evil because she's evil. Seriously, she's the type who if given two choices will pick the most evil choice even if it's the worst one. She's a really unlikeable character and she comes off as even more inhuman then many of the aliens her lips make her look like a baboon too. You can humanize characters with evil traits, like let's say Axmann, but Beatrix is just stupid evil. Axmann is the only villain worth anything, as he has a sort of slimy charm to him. I think he should of been the main antagonist as he actually seems to be somewhat intelligent and charismatic, versus Beatrix who treats even her own horribly. As an antagonist faction, the stasi really drag down the believability of the show.

The other characters don't matter too much. Annete's trauma is in and out of focus and seems to be random. Pham is someone who clearly deserved more screen time, as a glimmer of rationale kindness (unlike Katia) would do a lot to ground SM. I forget the other character's names, but that only shows you how much they don't matter.

I could go on about the edgy, dour, overly serious, humorless plot, or the technical aspects such as animation, but I'll stop with that otherwise I'll have to write a whole essay.

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>MFW completing Unlimited
>Realizing there's nothing more I can do until Alternative
I mean shit after all that Takeru beating himself up, Yashiro clinging to the thinktank and Alternative IV being shut down I feel like there should be some sort of alternate path I could take but it seems as my options are die together with my chosen girl, send her off to make a space baby, or pass out drunk.
I could start Alternative now but fuck I backed this damn thing so I may as well wait for the improved version

>>14553282
I remember there was that one other dude in the squad, who apparently had a thing going on with Sylvia.

>Katia pretty much spits on most of ML's themes

Yeah, in retrospect she kind of feels like a poor man's Takeru in that they both had a blind idealism to it, but are reluctant to do what necessary to achieve those ideals. And in Takeru's case, it was treated for what it was, another extension of his childish naivete, and another obstacle for him to overcome.

And I agree with you on the Stasi. Especially when entered the scene. The Stasi were pretty fucked up, but it seems more like Axmann's evil. Slimy, corrupt, but for the most part reasonable for the sake of self-interest.

Is this just a problem with anime, or with all of SM's media? I'm still not sure if it was originally a VN itself, or a LN.

And yeah, fuck Lise. Anything that involved her was awful since it was so obvious how it was going to go. I was really hoping Sylvia was going to pull the trigger.

>>14553282
Beatrix is literally the best character in the whole franchise.

>>14553302
I couldn't wait, so I went ahead and downloaded it. I'm still going to pay for the actual release, since I feel like they deserve my money.

>>14553315
All of SM. They arguably toned Beatrix down in the anime. In the LN she's apparently a lesbian who wants to rape/kill Irisdina.

>>14553316
Good joke.

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>>14553323
>wants to rape/kill Irisdina

I mean, who doesn't?

>>14549873
Everyday until you Muv Luv it.

>>14553316
She's definitely the hottest looking, but it doesn't change that she's ugly on the inside.

>>14553375
>ugly on the inside
Her pure love for Jurgen is far from ugly.

>>14553381
You know she was probably the one responsible for Iris having to kill him, right?

>>14553395
Let's wait until that is officially confirmed, before we start that blame game.

>>14553395
No, it was 100% Iris fault.

>>14553381
Who was Jurgen? It sounds familiar, but I'm having a difficult time remembering.

>>14553416
Irisdina's brother. Beatrix probably ratted him out because muh state traitor, which is what led to Iris having to shoot him.

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>>14553416
Iris' brother and Beatrix's boyfriend.

>>14553434
Oh, he was the guy she was talking about in the final episode, right? There still seems to be a lot of holes in the story though.

>>14553434
>>14553453
Beatrix's love for Jurgen doesn't make sense. She's shown to be selfish and incapable of empathy for anyone throughout the anime. It would be much more in character for her to have been merely faking it, but they decided to make it "tru luv" instead.

>>14553477
Jürgen was the one person in Beato's whole life that she cared about. When he died it became really bleak for her.

>>14553630
If she showed a little bit of humanity, a little bit of hurt before the finale, then it wouldn't of seemed like such a non-sequitur.

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>Surface Pilot
I thought we had gotten away from this? Or did ixtl insist on using this weird term just because it was in Integral Works, even though Surface Fighter Pilot makes more sense in English while "eishi" makes more sense from a "honorabru japaneeese term" perspective?

>>14553395
>>14553430
>probably
eop pls go

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So, yesterday I finished the trilogy for the second time, and it was even better than the first. Now, how do I cope with >tfw Haruko is not real?

>>14554242
Roll her in SF

>>14553323
>In the LN she's apparently a lesbian who wants to rape/kill Irisdina

How is this rumour still fucking alive?

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>>14553319
dude I'd wait for the release because by all due respect for the guys who did the fan TL, it has so many mistakes in so damn many places.

My god, I never noticed it before but everything after PTSD arc is so god damn frustrating and exhausting.
Not to say its bad writing or even forced drama/suffering, but its just so hard to stomach one misfortune after another.

Like, why did the XG-70B refuse Isumi's input codes?
You could blame alternative V supports but that just seems like a cop out, They're supposed to choose the best possible future yet everyone gets dealt a shit hand

>>14554420
The whole thing comes off as the metaphorical "at least it's not raining", only for a torrential down pour to swell up.

Is there any homosexual stuff in muv luv?

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I want Inia route REEEEE

>>14554521
Yes. Due to the lack of males, in Muv-Luv most females are gay due to lack of options. You either schlick alone using your tears as lube or you bunk up with your buddy cause neither of you are getting dick this year or next.

>>14554420
>why did the XG-70B refuse Isumi's input codes?
I think it's implied that S00mika being unconscious is the cause. I replayed it a couple days ago, and if I recall correctly the codes seemed to be working for a short while when S00mika briefly came to, and then they refused to work again.

>>14554597
So she was basically Psycho Mantis piloting the Sahalanthropis?

>>14550547
>/a/
Those threads are dead and they know that they're on life support. Mods are pissed at them for constant rulebreaking, and with any luck they'll be purged from /a/ once again soon and left to scatter to /vg/ or some other land.

>>14555002
That other land being here I suppose.

>>14555020
We don't need them here. We booted all of them out of /m/ for a reason.

>>14555002
I hope they get rid of the generals on /m/ too. There really isn't any useful discussions in these threads.

>>14554521
Beatrix is a hardcore girl molester.

>>14554357
Not really a rumor. How else would you explain her interest in Katia, obsession with Irisdina, or her groping other females all the time? There's a reason why everyone thought she raped Pham a year ago.

>>14555104
If they come back with the will to stay, only mods will be able to boot them out.

>>14555122
As long as no definite proof gets posted, its only a rumour and the rest is fanservice.

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>>14551335
You seem to think people will listen to you.

>>14555133
So? We got the SM LN and VN spoilerfags banned at one point, we might be able to do it again.

>>14555141
Banned? They left for greener pastures. If they feel that the grass is greener over here, they'll come back.

>>14555151
They were warned/banned for spoilers. It's why they went to /a/

Which Valkyrie death was the hardest to accept?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10864275

>>14555158
You got proof of that?

>>14555104
There is no "we". Fuck off. /m/ threads for Muv Luv have historically been better for translations and news because the board is slower and less insular. Who gives a shit about someone's opinion on Beatrix?

So how is Alternative's setting going to deal with the BETA on Luna or Mars? How much breathing room do will they get once they destroy the other hives on Earth?

Actually, how will the setting post-Operation Cherry Blossom proceed in general?

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>>14552026

Someone from âge lurks the threads in /a/.

Proof of this is already posted in this thread, if you're smart enough to find it

>>14555158
What is /m/ thread opinions on spoilers from Alternative? Don't come in if you don't want to get spoiled?

>>14555205
>So how is Alternative's setting going to deal with the BETA on Luna or Mars?
Nuke/Gbomb the shit out of them.

Colony drop them.

Or ignore them, who cares about them while we're still barely back on our feet on Earth?

>How much breathing room do will they get once they destroy the other hives on Earth?
This all depends on whether they can get their heads out of their asses. And whether we consider Next Answer to be canon.

>Actually, how will the setting post-Operation Cherry Blossom proceed in general?
Everyone starts fighting for Hives and the xenotech they contain, the communist bloc salivates over getting control over so many by simple virtue of "they're in our territory"

>>14555213
You mean >>14550643 ?

>>14555215
Initially (like, in 2011 or 2012) proper use of spoiler tags was observed, then they got more complacent after TE aired and the thread activity dropped off.

>>14555241

I don't know about that one but they're is a picture in this thread that as of yesterday has only ever been posted to 4chan according to Google reverse image search.

>>14554080
Yeah this bugged me, like what the fuck?

>>14555234
Wait what was the canon of Next Answer? I didn't know it had a story.

>>14555293
>I didn't know it had a story.
To be fair it wasn't very much of a story. Just enough to excuse time traveling and people not being dead.

>>14553315
>I'm still not sure if it was originally a VN itself, or a LN.

SM was a series of LNs that got adapted into a VN and then an anime with another VN on the way. Nip and chinese fans all say the show was a butchery of an adaptation but until everything is translated theres really know way for a majority of the western audience to know either way.

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>>14555306
oh ok, then never mind.

Is Altered Fable canon?

>>14555377
Yes

>>14555377
No

>>14555377

Maybe

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>>14555293
From what I gleaned, the BETA unleash a huge g-particle wave in their latest attempt to stave off humanity or something and time gets fucked, so you have a patchwork of different timelines divided along geographic locations getting tossed together (East Germany is screwed for instances as it's now caught between two hives but hey, at least Beatrix and Iris might get their Jurgen back though). It's basically pic related, ML style. The worst thing is the superior from 2001 and his hive get resurrected, with all his knowledge on humans and their tactics, so the BETA are now more then just a mindless alien horde and are actually taking humanity seriously, but then, the humans are mass producing Susanoos and have a much higher population base to draw from with the time break. Finally, Yui becomes a casualty conduit.

>>14555377
Everything is canon in ML because of multiple timeline shenanigans.

>>14555391
>superior from 2001 and his hive get resurrected,
>humans are mass producing Susanoos

This war sounds glorious.

>>14555403
Mass produced Laserforts vs Susanoos. The fluff is way more interesting then the actual game though.

>>14555391
>Yui becomes a casualty conduit.
no fucking way, and? Link me up bro I need to know more.

>>14555408
>The fluff is way more interesting then the actual game though

Perhaps the same could be said of all the non-original VNs.

>>14555409
I second this.

>>14555408
Susanoo would rape a Laserfort though, even with its increased firepower. The Susanoo negates all advantages laser classes have.

>>14555409
I think he's just regurgitating what he heard on /m/ a while back. Most of it sounds reasonable, Yui being a CC would make a lot of sense from gameplay mechanic perspective to explain why you get retries after a game over.

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>>14555403
>>14555408

>>14555391
I think the time shenanigans also meant Yui gets to go back in time to save her friends from getting killed in Kyoto, also she got to go to the H21 operation and prevent things from going south there too.

>>14555403
>humans are mass producing Susanoos
That happens at the end of Alternate too you know.

>>14555424
There is no way to confirm that, or is there?

Will Bratty Savior get a card in SF?

>>14555424
Wouldn't that require a shit ton of G elements?

>>14555424
No, they began producing it's beam weaponry. The Susanoo can only be piloted with S00mika and ultimately kills its pilots, which is why they wouldn't mass produce it.

>>14555391
This sounds like it's so full of shit.

>>14555441
>beam weaponry
Rail gun you mean. And the Susanoo was amazing not because of its offensive capabilities, but because the BETA could not touch it.

>>14555434
Don't they need quantum computers for each XG-70 unit though? Things might be easier for that since it doesn't necessarily have to be a 00 Unit any more.

>>14555452
But only Yuuko has the knowledge to make more of those though. If she didn't write anything down, or at least destroyed what she wrote, then the XG-70 is unpilotable.

And imagine what would happen if the BETA are defeated and there are large numbers of XG-70s around. I think its quite likely that Yuuko decided that they were too dangerous to be rebuild, at least in the post-Alternative timeline.

>>14555468
Yuuko developed the weaponry while Susanoo was mostly an American effort IIRC.

>>14555481
I meant the Quantum computer, the USA can build as many as XG-70s as they want.

>>14555481
The reason XG-70 was abandoned is because no human could pilot it. It's useless without 00 Unit.

>>14555521
>>14555494
technically, I just read this part, it was scrapped due to the constraints of the computers of the era, and the production of the G-bomb.
You don't need the 00 unit, or a quantum computer even to make the XG-70 work, as evidence by the fact it could work on auto-pilot or so Isumi hoped

>>14555552
Well I suppose that any advanced enough computer can be used, but why would they need a quantum computer in to use it in the first place then? Why was Yuuko the first person in what was maybe decades, to try and revive it?

>>14555552
>due to the constraints of the computers of the era
Which were not powerful enough to control the Rutherford field and prevent it from killing the pilot. That was the issue. The 00 unit, being a quantum computer, can do just that, which is why the XG-70d could be manned, on top of having the 00 unit on board.

>You don't need the 00 unit, or a quantum computer even to make the XG-70 work
I guess, but you can't really use it on autopilot to fight the BETA, just like you can't use TSFs on autopilot (well, you can, but they're not nearly as effective).

>>14555573
Yuuko wanted the defense(EG the Rutherford Field).
what killed the Pilots was when it used its attack which shifted the Shifted the field and would ultimately splatter the contents inside because the onboard computers couldn't cope with trying to protect them.

>>14555578
I could be wrong but I don't think the Particle Cannon was dirty(EG didn't have the same effects as a G-bomb), since it used gray11 as energy, instead of a catalyst.

>>14555592
>what killed the Pilots was when it used its attack
No, the test crew got gibbed when the Rutherford field came on, not when it fired or anything else.

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This is making me regret so much I didn't throw 1,5k more at my screen before the end of the BK.

>>14555293
Pardon my ignorance, but what was Next Answer, again? It wasn't the strategy game, that was a different thing, right?

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>>14555104
> booted them out of /m/
you & what army of yours, anon?

>>14555403
> mass producing Susanoo
[REMOVE BETA INTENSIFIES]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T63WnocViSU

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So the Steam release of Muv Luv got me thinking.

Obviously back in like 2011 or so when MLA was first translated it was considered to have very high production values and SFX that push the boundary of the medium among the English-reading translated VN fanbase, for whom probably F/SN was the best they had experienced in terms of production values before MLA.

So my question is among the newer wave of players in recent years, who had their teeth cut on modern HD releases like Grisaia and Live2D marvels like Nekopara rather than on 800x600 slideshows like in olden times, does MLA still hold up in presentation?

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>>14555602
I hope you're happy, you made me go through the entire fucking novel just to prove you wrong

>>14555745
Alright Anon, you got me.

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>>14555679
>spending your jew dough on Beatrix
>spending your jew dough on any SM

>>14555213
>âge
>posting on 4chan

do you realize how stupid that sounds

c'mon, be realistic anon

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>>14555769
>he doesn't have money to buy things he likes
ISHYGDDT

inb4 anime

>>14555758
don't beat yourself up, it could be a wrong translation, I mean in Unlimited they said the snakebite was nothing more than a placebo effect, while in the OFFICIAL® ™ translation they actually say he got a cold prior which crippled Takeru.

>>14555724
Man, that similarity to the Gunbuster March has to be intentional. Other than Gunbuster, what were the other influences for Muv-Luv? The Laser-class remind me of the Bugs from the 1987 Starship Troopers OVA.

>>14553279
>>14553282
So is there an actual reason why /m/ dislikes SM, or is it just "lolz, anime"?

>>14555793
>similarity

it's almost a 1:1 pastiche dude

>>14555793
You forgot about the Klendathu drop homage/pastiche?

>>14555769
Actually I think that for 3,5k, I would have gone with Meiya, true to my luv.

But damn, that Beatrix is so gorgeous. A Meiya/Beatrix combo would have made wonders to my dick.

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>>14555777

The proof is already in this thread. You just need to find it.

>>14555803
>So is there an actual reason why /m/ dislikes SM
the anime was shit and so the rest of the content is "shit" solely from guilt by association

>>14555777
Check the archives of the last few threads on /a/. Be smart and look for yourself before dismissing anything.

>>14555814
Are we really talking about âge or just Degica ?

Because the last is known for ages ( Pun not intended ).

>>14555803
>is it just "lolz, anime"?
Yes.

>>14555811
let's be real now, if the track wasn't associated with a series that drew elements from Starship Troopers, on top of being featured in the first assault landing attack on the enemy base(very similar to the events on Klendathu) I doubt no one could make the connection.

>>14555793
That's not the only Gunbuster homage either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkXlh3G-ECM

>>14555832
I know it might be just me, but it didn't take two seconds for me to think "Oh starship troopers" once I heard assault landing.

I don't think making the connection was that hard, but maybe I am a wrong and you are right.

>>14555811
I didn't, I just feel like the concept was obvious enough to not bother bringing it up. I guess the whole story's theme is similar to Starship Troopers in that it's a coming-of-age story about what it means to be a soldier.

>>14555829

Someone who has access to Martyrs, maybe Degica but I'm not sure they're doing anything with that property now so i don't know why they would be able to access it.

>>14555839
you missed the point, track is supposed to invoke the same emotions as Klendathu drop, it is 100% intentional, but it only works given the proper context.

Composition wise it has very little in common with Klendathu drop, other than having a driving grandiose Militaristic tempo, but when given context it will make the audience feel the same exact thing as Klendathu Drop.

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>>14555744
Well the most modern VNs I've read are Xblaze and Steins;Gate, I haven't even read Alternative yet, I'm waiting for the winter release. Even with all that I can definitely appreciate everything Extra/Unlimited have in terms of their own tech, the audio, use of sprites and even the rare animated scenes are things I'm not particularly used to.
I don't regret backing the Steam versions.
I'm excited about finishing the story, then I'm going to re-read Sumika's route.

>>14555815
I thought the anime was good.

>>14555882
no you don't.

>>14554080
Could have just had Japan call them Eishi and have all other places called the SF Pilots.

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am I crazy or do these guys look kinda familiar? Maybe they just have that "80s mecha side character" look?

>>14555891
Kai Shiden in the middle.

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>>14555891
looks like a spy to me

>>14555887
It had great mecha action and the cast was decent. The heroes were likeable and you couldn't help but cheer on while the baddies were a bunch of scumbags you wanted to see dead, which is what I like to see. Granted, I didn't like how focused it was on freedom fighters vs nazis in the end, but it was still good (and it gave Theo some extremely badass fights). It was at least better then TE.

>>14555890
I think every country should have their own culturally-appropriate "super speshul" name for their TSF pilots.

Japan obviously has the Eishi.
Why can't the USA have, say, Minutemen? Eightminutemen?

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>>14555904
>The heroes were likeable and you couldn't help but cheer on while the baddies were a bunch of scumbags you wanted to see dead, which is what I like to see.
black and white makes for a boring story in most cases
>Granted, I didn't like how focused it was on freedom fighters vs nazis in the end, but it was still good
but i thought you liked likeable heroes fighting the evil nazi's

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Whew

>>14555924
I would have wanted to see the BETA take more focus. The human villains should have been more in the background, but I'm pretty happy with what we got overall.

>black and white makes for a boring story in most cases
Uh not really. Sometimes it needlessly muddles the story. Zeta Gundam is extremely black and white, and it's hailed as one of the best Gundam series for instances.

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Oh cool, they literally re-recorded every Unlimited line where reference to the Imperial household appears to replace them with reference to the Shogunate instead.

>>14555911
>Eightminutemen?
I hate you.

>>14555937
>Sometimes it needlessly muddles the story. Zeta Gundam is extremely black and white, and it's hailed as one of the best Gundam series for instances.
Yeah, but you have to be careful about depicting a real life organization whose members are largely still alive as evil monsters. I doubt most of the real-life Stasi officers were much more than people doing a job.

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>>14555966
>Yeah, but you have to be careful about depicting a real life organization whose members are largely still alive as evil monsters.
If you don't paint them as monsters it is offensive to the victims of that regime.

After reading all of this, so people hate SM for the same reason they hate Sagiri then?

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>>14554521
Homolust has no place in Muv-Luv

>>14555966
I don't actually think SM embellishes the Stasi's cruelty all that much. The Stasi legitimately tortured, raped and murdered people, sometimes at a whim. Evil people like Beatrix, Schmidt, or Axmann did exist in real life. The Stasi really were a bunch of sick fucks, just like every other scumbag in every other Warsaw Pact country that worked for the local regimes.

>>14556006
Sure, while the Germans make tv series with stasi agents as MCs and nobody gives a damn,

>>14556011
They hate Beatrix and the stasi for that reason (CIA manipulated traitors who are using the BETA to work out people issue instead of working out people issues to confront the BETA). Most people are fine with the 666th.

>>14556023
But it's the 666th who are in Sagiri's position, and the Stasi who are in Papa Sakaki's position.

>>14556036
Second this.

>>14556036
>>14556046
I think most people are more sympathetic to a revolt against a communist regime/police state/failed state; than a revolt to overthrow a democratically elected government in favor of restoring power to an unelected Shogunate because of honorabru bullshit.

>>14556056
I second this!

I meant the Humans Vs. Humans with one side being objectively wrong aspect.

>>14556056
Yes, and it was the stasi seeking to subvert their government that kicked off the counter-revolution.

>>14555966
>I doubt most of the real-life Stasi officers were much more than people doing a job.

Anon I don't think anyone in a line of work specializing in trolling people until they've been broken into becoming a nonconscious subordinate of the State and its will sees themselves as "just doing a job."

Those with the conviction to undermine individual agency for the betterment of the nation wouldn't call it a job, they'd call it a responsibility.

>>14556074
>Yes, and it was the moderate rebels seeking to subvert their government that kicked off the counter-revolution.
FTFY

>>14555917
damn I hated the guy at first but then grew on me.

>>14555926
sheeeeeeeet does 300 give something?

>>14555938
Yeah I just finished Ult and could not figure out why some voice tracks sounded different despite coming from the same character a second before.

>>14556090
The Stasi were the ones who disrupted the tripartite balance between Party, Army, and Stasi.

>>14556081
Or they're doing it because they enjoy the feeling of power that comes with bullying or pushing others around.

>>14556101
Well that delves more into Communism itself rather than an intelligence agency.

How are the TSF Kotobukiya kits? Any ones which stand out or are recommended?

>>14556150
There are good ones and some meh ones. I can say for a fact that 1/144 Berkut is easy to build but is not as well articulated. non scale/ 1/100 / 1.5 vary depending on the tsf. 00r and 00F have pretty good articulation but they need to be colored to look cool.

>>14556150
http://www.collectiondx.com/series/muvluv_alternative

>>14549873

I HATE IT

>>14556240
HE HATES IT

>>14556246
KUYASHII

>>14556098
This. The whole rebellion was basically just game between Brehme and Axmann over which power hungry psycho got to rule East Germany in its last days.

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>>14556437
>can't even label the rebellion on the right people

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>>14556437
But Axmann was taking his orders from Beatrix. Beatrix was basically trying to do what Palpatine did in Star Wars by drawing all the dissident elements together to crush them while using it as an excuse to make herself dictator. Axmann was her Dooku, her man who was responsible for kicking over the whole beehive over. It wasn't a power play, Beatrix was in control of both the Moscow and Berlin factions, and nobody figured it out (well, Gretel did, and was shot for it). What she couldn't take into account was Katia drawing Heim into the revolt in the way she did. She probably expected to fight the NVA eventually, but not that soon.

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>>14556474
>But Axmann was taking his orders from Beatrix.

>>14556495
Beatrix basically holding Axmann's hand is something both the old spoilers and the anime agrees upon.

>>14556518
>old spoilers
From years ago? Worthless.
>anime
Also worthless.

Call me when the LN and VN show Axmann taking orders from someone he outranks and hates.

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>>14556523
They seem to be friendly towards one another and work very well together. If anything, there relationship is quite amiable.

>>14556523
You know it could be that he just want's her to be a figurehead.

>>14556548
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

>>14556551
You're on the right track, but not necessarily correct. Axmann is a guy who will do anything to survive.

>>14556523
>hates
Does he?

>orders from someone he outranks
Why would rank matter that much in their conspiracy? Suzy and Katia aren't generals, but they end up being equal in power to one. Maybe Axmann and Brehme started off as partners, but Brehme ended up becoming the mastermind of the whole operation.

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>>14556629

I know, right? When Beatrix found out Axmann forced her best friend to murder the only person she ever loved, she stepped back and said, "Wowie Zowie! There's a real go-getter if I ever saw one!"

>>14556699
That actually tends to happen a lot in Japanese shit and actually happened irl in a few cases in Japan, chalk it up to nips trying to make westerners act like nips.

>>14556752
or he can chalk it up to you being an animeonly grasping for straws since you don't understand the characters you're talking about

>>14556763
I never even watched SM I'm just saying I could totally see some generic anime character doing that.

>>14556773
>I never even watched SM
do you give cooking tips to 5 star chefs?

>>14556781
Not saying anything about SM's quality literally that that anons complaint is seemingly less valid to Japanese.

>>14553279
I never see any factual reasons to hate anime Lise that don't fall apart when you think about it for a minute, its like people stop using their brains when it comes to her. They make it pretty clear that torture and brainwashing were what warped her into whatever she was by the end, and while the whole show could have been done a lot better its not completely nonsensical, there is logic from her perspective if you pay attention.

Don't get me wrong I thought the whole thing was crap and am just waiting around to see if the VN's turn out better but Lise gets more shit than she warrants. Considering her position she's a tricky character to get right and they seem to have dropped the ball, and not just with her. Lets see if Kouki can do Schwarzesmarken better than Liden.

>>14556816
>Lets see if Kouki can do Schwarzesmarken better than Liden.
You're saying that like it'd be difficult. Liden is shit, we've known this for a long time.

>>14556699
If she did have a problem with her commander, she seems to have gotten over it by 1983.

>>14556898
Watanabe had many discussions with age when directing the anime. I believe that what we saw was what Kouki intended us to see.

>>14557315
Depends, there's just certain story telling devices you can use in VN's that you just can't properly use in anime.

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>>14549873

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>>14555793
they have this as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEXATrKzt9M

too bad steam version will replace few pastiche stuff compared to original, because reasons.
just like livin la vida loca pastiche replaced by other bgm.

>tfw you think the Pastiches are actually somewhat better than the actual songs.

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>>14557313
This.

She probably found Axmann to be closer in temperament and ideals (or lack thereof) then Jurgen (who Iris seems to be closer too). She "got" Axmann, could see a sort of kindred spirit in him that she couldn't with anybody else, even if she might not have realized it.

>>14557734
>lack of braid on Ketchup's epaulets

What is he, a 2nd LT?

>>14553279
>>14553282
The problem with this anime, the big problem, is that they treat anything that's not a fight as some plain scene to get over with. ML has its roots in the romance/eroge genre, and always has, and always will be focused intensely on the characters despite what some TSFsexuals might say. ML rests on the shoulders of it's characters and world building. That Watanabe saw this as a chance to do the mecha based "war epic" he always wanted to do doomed SM from the start.

>>14557734
>>14557313

She learned how to get along with him, but to say she liked or sympathized with him is absurd. She probably would have killed him if she found him after his coup

>>14557584
Here is hoping some anon makes a mod/patch to fix that

Yes! I rolled Cryska today.
And now that I finished bragging I want to ask if anyone knows were I can find translation of those 4koma on Strike Frontier page?

>>14558177
Check the archive, the last thread should have them.

4koma translation anon here, just a heads up that you might wanna get those 4koma uplinked to danbooru or something for tagging and translation, as after August 8th, I'm gonna be moving to a region where 4chan has IP block bans.

God damn the new track "A Matter of Pride" is hot as fuck, I certainly hope this track makes its way into Alternative.

>>14558449
Fuck, sorry to hear that anon.

What happened to another anon who said he would scanlate your translation?

>>14557734
>She probably found Axmann to be closer in temperament and ideals (or lack thereof) then Jurgen (who Iris seems to be closer too). She "got" Axmann, could see a sort of kindred spirit in him that she couldn't with anybody else, even if she might not have realized it.
You're an idiot.

>>14558529
Why are you so butthurt over this dude?

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>>14558525
He is ded

>>14558534
How would you feel if people went on a year-long crusade about Yuuko being a sociopathic autist with 0 redeeming features?

>>14558449
Not gonna shell out for Gold?

>>14558540
>year-long
Its been years since it started, get used to it, since I doubt it will cease any time soon.

>>14558550
don't have the cash flow for that, sadly. Plus the location I'm moving into tends to cross IP subnets with Japan, which makes the blanket block all the more likely.

Come on people, does anyone know where I can find the following?

http://02memo.seesaa.net/article/425270605.html

http://www.avdvdrar.com/adult/150041.html

http://www.avdvdrar.com/adult/157591.html

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Bravo, âge.

>>14559079
Leaky roof. Budgets are tight.

>>14559008
I think I have 2 of those somewhere.

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God damn, Gohda-kun is manly as fuck. I wonder what his fate in the Alternative setting was.

>>14559753
Dead.

>>14559381
Nigga I will suck your dick, give me download link.

>>14559753
>>14559770
This is actually interesting. Do we know if he is dead?

>>14559922
I think there is something official on that, but I can't really remember. I'm certain he didn't die in Operation Lucifer though.

That was Bakayuki's lot.

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>>14559753
Isn't he this guy? They're both voiced by Seki Tomokazu. I'm still reading Alternative and I'm planing to read Ayu Mayu after it because I'll probably need something lighthearted.

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I keep hearing how Walken's F22 was sabotaged, was there something I missed in reading, or was it something that was expanded on in other materials, like Irma being subject to CIA hypnotic phrases?

>>14560186
ALTmanga, but goodluck ever reading it because
>translations never

>>14560186
In the alternative manga.

>>14560186
It actually technically makes more sense than a Anti-TSF TSF getting shot down by a mid-tier TSF.

>>14560199
>>14560201
So if you only take VNs as the primary form of canon, then he was just outskilled by Sagiri?

>>14559919
no I mean as a hard copy. sorry. but I don't even know where I've put them.

>>14560211
you can't outskill an f-22

that's like saying a six year old can outskill a grown man in krav maga

>>14558540
People already say that about Yuuko though.

>>14558572
How long has it been going on?

Claptor a shit

>>14560211
the Shiranui is like a Miata, while the Raptor is like a 911

>>14560218
Unless you are Yuuya in a Strike Eagle.

>>14560211
Well if we take VNs as canon then Sagiri couldn't manage anywhere near taking him down in TDA when Walken had a Raptor as usual but Sagiri had a Rafale which is a step up from a Shiranui.

So which protagonist pilot is the most skilled? And who is the most skilled pilot in the Alternative setting?

>>14560301
Takeru excluded right? He technically has possibly hundreds of years of subconscious experience.

>>14560301
Yuuya and Takeru are the top two. I'd argue Takeru is the better of them but I don't really know.

>>14560301
>So which protagonist pilot is the most skilled?
It's a toss up between TDA Takeru and Yuuya, though Theo gets an honourable mention for hunting lasers in a MiG-21 and Hibiki gets credit for his 2FAST2FURIOUS football skills

>And who is the most skilled pilot in the Alternative setting?
Probably Mana.

>>14560307
I wouldn't say hundreds of years, or are you assuming he repeated the same routes in Unlimited (and maybe TDA) more than once?

>>14560308
I'd expect Takeru to win hands-down, thanks to what >>14560307
said. Going off of that, all the accumulated experience from so many time-loops would probably make him one of the best pilots in any media, period. Off the top of my head I can't recall any mecha drivers are that experienced...maybe Eldar (from 40k) or space elf guys in general, since they live long enough (assuming they're good enough in the cockpit) to gain hundreds of years of experience, which a human like Takeru could only gain through dying and looping back over and over.

>>14560323
I always assumed that he only looped the same amount of times that there are routes, with TDA continuing from Meiya's normal end

>>14560323
>>14560338
I don't know to me it implied he didn't repeat routes per say but that there were tons of different variants of him so for example some lived through some alternate version of the events of TDA with the other girls being his love interest rather than Meiya.

>>14560338
>Meiya's normal end

What was the normal end for Unlimited? Takeru and his chosen girl both staying, or him convincing her to leave while he fights in what people presume to be a glorious last stand?

>>14560316
Theo managed to dominate a Mig-27 in his beat up, cobbled together TSF. I think he's better then a lot of people give him credit for.

>>14560369
>dominate
aiyyo
>a MiG-27
Not just "a", one that was already heavily damaged from accumulated combat with rebels. Beatrix began the fight with only one arm.

>>14560369
That TSF pilot wasn't really that good. The only reason why she was so BA was because she had a state of the art machine when everyone else had shit. She's pretty much just a trumped up bully/thug, not a hardened soldier like the 666th.

>>14560365
The normal end is them both staying, the good end is his chosen waifu leaving Earth with his child.

>>14560369
He also raked in the most kills in the show, and was a squad lead by the end unlike the other ML protags who were too stupid to be placed into that position.

>>14560400
well when the other more competent candidates for leadership get killed it kinda narrows it down

>>14560400
>unlike the other ML protags who were too stupid to be placed into that position.
Takeru was squadron leader of 201B by the end of Unlimited, too bad they're probably all dead in TDA unless they're all just hiding or something.

>>14560400
Takeru ended up squad leader in Unlimited's endings. And he would've taken the role in Alt if Chizuru wasn't up for it.

>>14560407
>too bad they're probably all dead in TDA unless they're all just hiding or something.
>the climax of TDA is the harem all riding down alongside a HSST piloted by Takahashi down from orbit to gatecrash an arranged marriage ceremony between "Yuuhi" and Ikaruga after having been hiding in space for years as Takeru's hidden trump card

>>14560406
What if Theo was competent though? Is that really that scary of a thought?

>>14560512
Well that explains why he was the most junior of commissioned officers for his entire military service.

Listen bud, he's a good pilot. He's a master at CQC. He isn't really a superb leader.

It's okay to have faults.

>>14560437
Imagine the absolute horror on everyone's faces when Takeru runs up and kisses the Shogun

>>14560598
If that happens, I'll save the CG as "japanese lancelot elopes with japanese king arthur"

>surpass the 300 roll mark
>not a single ssr

Fuck you cookie and your twisted game.

>>14560333

So wait Takeru is basically Homura?

>>14561201
Takeru is Madoka with Homura's memories, Alt Sumika is Homura with Madoka's memories.

If I want more military mecha that's about fighting off alien invaders, what else should I watch? I've already seen Gunbuster, the Starship Troopers OVA, and I'm going through Blue Gender now.

>>14561377

Macross?
Just watch the whole thing.

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>>14561377
Crest/Banner of the Stars if you want more of Meiya or Yuuhi character types in a sci-fi setting. And how can you miss out on Nadesico you heretic...

>>14561562
>tfw Meiya and Yuuhi will never compete for your cock

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>>14562023

I would make a Yuuhi fightstick if I could find higher resolution artwork of her.

Or if I wasn't completely shit at photoshop

>>14559927
Didn't Bakayuki and his friend end up getting stuck in an eternal loop of death thanks to the G-Bomb, much like Isumi?

>>14562084
That one is pretty nice, is it yours anon?
I've always wanted to build a fightstick.

>>14556699
>But all of that is just the set-up for the real action. While Gretel is being shown the Stasi files by Axmann, Brehme deals with Commander Schmidt, who is revealed to actually be a KGB operative intending to use East Germany as a bulwark for the Soviet Union. Even though Brehme initially looks like she may have overplayed her hand, Schmidt doesn't know that Brehme and Axmann aren't actually rivals but in cahoots with each other. This was all a smoke screen for Brehme's (not Axmann!) power play to come out on top, and Axmann showing Gretel what he's doing with the Stasi files (blowing them up but saving copies on disk) is an attempt to entice Gretel over to their side. This time, though, Axmann isn't as control of the situation as he thinks, as an open comm link allows Gretel to reveal Axmann's actions to the rebels, who come storming in. As Theodor and the remaining 666 Squadron suit up (figuratively speaking) for a final battle against the Werewolf Battalion as Brehme tortures the imprisoned Irisdina.

>Schmidt's real identity being revealed is a mildly unexpected but still quite reasonable twist, given that KGB operatives historically had many “ins” with the East German government, but Axmann revealing that he was double-crossing everyone and actually working for Brehme wasn't; they seemed so cozy early on that I had a hard time believing that they were actually on opposite sides.

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How do I heal this heart ache /m/?

>>14560215
damn, shame.

>>14560301
Like other anons I think it is TDA Kurogane. Followed my Alt version, followed by Top Gun.

>>14560437
>>14560598
>>14560627
Fucking hell, what is taking TDA so long? Have they said anything about when the next part will be out?

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>>14562494
She was taken too soon from us.

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>>14562494
>>14562746

>>14560735
maigo no maigo no(oh lost lost ones)

Eeeeeh!? There's no cats here!?

Pretty much all the wild animals have been driven extinct by the BETA

Currently there's only a few people with enough free time to raise a pet.

<-Likes cats

No way...

Then I will use Shihandai, no sempai...(as a resplacement)

Don't go overboard.

A few days later

Replica Gun

How is it, sempai?

A cat tower has be crafted.

>>14562908
blargh, didn't check grammar or spelling.
*replacement
*has been crafted

>>14562405
>Brehme deals with Commander Schmidt, who is revealed to actually be a KGB operative
anime original

I find it terribly amusing that Alt Shirogane's piloting skill ended up counting for nothing because he ended up in the Susanoo and the girls literally did all the fighting for him.

>>14563090
Well at least it helped out in the earlier battles, specifically in the 20 fort class fight.

>>14563090
Arguably, that skill is the reason why his whole battle harem got so good so fast.

>>14563090
His piloting skill let him survive against an ace on his first mission. It also let him take on 20 Fort-class and whatever accompanied them and win. And he broke through BETA lines twice in Yokohama attack. I do agree that his piloting skill is wasted on the Susano'o, but him being able to stay in contact with 00 Unit is much more important.

But like >>14563194 said. The real strength of his skill is that he was able to raise the overall abilities of the rest of Squad 207 above and beyond what they were ever capable of. If he was able to stick around, he'd be one hell of a Drill Sergeant.

>>14563485
>If he was able to stick around, he'd be one hell of a Drill Sergeant.
I guess the position of lacrosse team manager develops useful transferable skills

So, you know that scene in Alt where Takeru introduces S00mika to the Valkyries? During that scene he keeps having lewd thoughts, and every time both S00mika and the heroine in question blush in embarrassment or something. My question is, are they seeing those too? I mean, S00mika shouldn't be able to by that point, but she also acts flustered.

>>14563549
I think they are, but Yuuko said earlier if they do remember them, they'll just dismiss them as a weird out-of-nowhere thought.

Or it just might've been slightly awkward for Takeru to introduce them to the famous childhood friend, only for him to start spacing out after giving out brief (and sort of embarrassing) descriptions of them to S00mika.

So anyone can explain to me how this coin lottery in Muv-Luv Strike Frontier will work? Will be random and you might not even win anything? Will it be like with pre registering gatcha you'll be choosing between rolled rewards? or you'll eventually get everything if you have enough coins to roll and drain entire pool of possible rewards?

>>14550512
All my three accounts have 2 SSR each. Is there any reason to roll?

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>>14555391
>Yui becomes a casualty conduit
Really Yui? Odd choice.

>>14555926
Damn son

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>>14554521
Munakata

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>>14563699

>>14563699
It's only a ruse. She's saving herself for her childhood friend.

So do TDA timelines last until Takeru dies, whereupon he loops back to October 22nd 2001 again?

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Dammit I wanted the Ruskie

>>14563194
>>14563485
To me, the subtitle of ML, "save in the name of true love" is the real secret to why they got better. The girls fight harder for him because they all loved Takeru that much, through unlimited alternative timelines which all fed back to them through him as the causality conductor.

I bet they all got memories of being combat pros in the same way he did. None of that really has anything to do with his piloting skill, unless you mean the CC ability that makes him a good pilot, in which case I would agree.

That said, I want to see him solo a hive in a Takemi 00R loaner.

>>14556097
>and could not figure out why some voice tracks sounded different despite coming from the same character a second before.
Sorry, what? You mean some of the lines had different styles of delivery from the lines immediately preceding and immediately following them?

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>>14563735
You at least still have chance to roll her and double NTR Bridges guy by fucking with (Not)DeadSlav and Jelly. I have Cryska but no goddess.

>>14563717
The terminator?

>>14563725
Presumably, yes

>>14563725
Unless crushing Sumika in the Tank didn't do anything I think not.

>>14564581
Wasn't Sumika.

>>14564595
You sure?

>>14564598
Fuck off with your despair. It's two seperate locations.

>>14564598
Sumika's brain in located in the Yokohama Hive, and the JFK Hivewas located at the yokosuka Naval Base. So the only possible way that the brain Takeru crushed was Sumika, is that the BETA moved her brainpod between the two locations. And given how the pods need the reactor to survive, that is highly unlikely.

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>>14564595
>>14564611
It's explicitly stated that the JFK was carrying some special cargo from Yokohama, and the brain Takeru crushes AND APOLOGIZES TO was connected to some kind of machinery.

>>14564611
A-A you retarded anon?

>>14564629
>>14564633
I said fuck off with your despair posting. For christs sakes, you faggots all just hate Sumika and this is why you all feel the need to put her in more pain.

>>14564639
>Eternally stuck as a disembodied brain in a Jar is better than death.

>>14564639
>Not realizing AltTakeru was the entire reason for the time looping because his soul wanted someone to save Sumika.

>>14564639
>despair posting
Holy shit, I think I was arguing about ML on youtube with you.

>>14564628
Except that the USS Kennedy was likely drawing BETA to it in the first place because it was carrying a top secret cargo from Yokohama.

>>14564639
Death isn't always worse than being alive.

Was Sadogashima such a clusterfuck because the BEAT knew they were coming and brought in reinforcements?

where would the BETA even get reinforcements on an island to begin with?

>>14565092
Underground, Humans at that point didn't know about those giant worm-like things.

>>14565101
Where were you when Muv Luv and Gears of War took place in the same universe?

>>14565101
but they're separated by close to a 1000miles of ocean. wasn't the worm in TDA only 1500m?
not to mention crossing the sea of japan would be impossible

>>14565114
They burrow through the earth. The giant tunnellers were also spotted in the Original Hive.

>>14565136
wouldn't they have gotten that information from S00mika, They constantly say "oh it'll be easier now that we know where and how many BETA are in any given hive now"
should they have acknowledged the existence of Nydus worms flowing under the crust of the earth

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Muuunnnaaakaaataaa!!!

>>14565156
They didn't have any information on BETA until after Sadogashima. It was one of the reasons S00mika was there.

>>14566105
Even after Sadogashima, nobody knew about the tunnelers until they showed up in the original hive.

>>14566151
>get ALL the info on baters except on superior
>hive structures
>bater deployments by strain and number in hives
>don't get info on worms

Fucken Yuuko.

>>14565156
>>14566105
>>14566151
>>14566722

I'll bet they were focused on combat-capable strains within hives, not transport megaworms between hives.

Because technically speaking the megagates are separate strains of bater too.