Macross Delta sales

wow it's like i'm really on /a/

>>14541469
*2. *8,742 **8,742 Macross Δ Vol.1 Special Limited Edition
*3. *5,229 **5,229 Kidou Senshi Gundam: Tekketsu no Orphans Vol.8

*8. *1,257 **1,257 Macross Δ Vol.1 Special Limited Edition
15. **,617 ***,617 Kidou Senshi Gundam: Tekketsu no Orphans Vol.8

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>>14541546
>Vol. 1
>Vol. 8

What did he mean by this?

>>14541469

You're just now noticing the massive influx of /a/utismal shitposters that's been going on for the past 2-3 years?

>>14541442
>*2. *8,742 **8,742 Macross Δ Vol.1 Special Limited Edition
>*7. *8,398 **8,398 Kidou Senshi Gundam: Tekketsu no Orphans Vol.1

>*8. *1,257 **1,257 Macross Δ Vol.1 Special Limited Edition
> 25. **,856 ***,856 Kidou Senshi Gundam: Tekketsu no Orphans Vol.1

>>14541442
We /a/ now.

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>>14541442
Do Macrossfags realize that Bandai Visual don't get anything from Music sales and the only one benefiting from those is Flying Dog?

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>>14541642
Wow...a 700 unit difference forgetting the fact that Delta came with a raffle while IBO came with a promo code. And its still not the best selling first volume TV mecha anime of the decade.

>the first Macross since the hype machine that was Frontier barely outsells the yearly Gundam

Damn mecha really is a fading genre.

>>14542170

Pretty sure Satelight see at least some return on it, since the anime is supposed to serve as advertisement for the albums. Even if they don't though, the music wouldn't get produced without the show so it still validates the show to the production companies involved. It's why Symphogear managed to last more than one season despite mediocre reception if I recall. I think Aquarion might have gotten sequels for the same reason.

>>14542236
>the hype machine that was Frontier
Frontier was like 8 years ago though

>>14542272
And the last actually good Gundam was almost 20 years ago but people still eat it up like crazy.

>>14542291
Here's your (you)

>>14541655
/a/ sales autists have been trying to get a foothold on /m/ for a while now

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>>14542193
It's still 700 copies. I would've killed myself if IBO sold more than Delta.

>>14542322
Search it within your heart.

You know it to be true.

Oh of course, everybody loves IBO now. Fuck that shit

>>14542336
So you will kys if Delta V. 1 doesn't end up at around 13k?

I hope you are a man of your word.

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>>14542353
> It's why Symphogear managed to last more than one season despite mediocre reception if I recall.
Nan. 1st Symphogear bd sold 20+k

>>14542353
/m/ is a fickle beast.

>>14542362
It will.

>>14542375
But is it something you want to risk your life over?

I don't know anon.

>>14542371
>1st Symphogear bd sold 20+k
1 6 5,346 2012/03/28 Winter Senki Zesshou Symphogear
2 6 4,662 2012/04/25 Winter Senki Zesshou Symphogear
3 6 4,494 2012/05/30 Winter Senki Zesshou Symphogear
4 6 4,354 2012/06/27 Winter Senki Zesshou Symphogear
5 6 4,653 2012/07/25 Winter Senki Zesshou Symphogear
6 6 6,746 2012/08/29 Winter Senki Zesshou Symphogear

In what reality?

>>14542390
I think anon meant the first GX BD.

>>14542371
>Nan. 1st Symphogear bd sold 20+k
That's GX you're thinking of. Symphogear's first season did just alright. Nobody thought it would get another season at the time but the music sales were incredibly good

>>14542400
>>14542390
Oh yeah, my bad. After that, they've announced 2 new seasons.

>>14542170
>one jew company gets money instead of another jew company
I'm not sure what it changes. Owner of the IP (whoever it is) gets a share anyway from royalties. Also if production companies are happy with their revenues it increases the chance they will be willing to fund movies.

>>>/a/144733143
kek

How long has it been on sale for? I know first week sales are when the vast majority of stock is shifted, but it'll probably shift another thousand or two in the next few weeks if this is just first week sales.

>>14542597
Since the 22nd. But a lot outlets would begin selling them on the 21st.

The wea

>>14542170
It's probably the same faggots that think increased manga sales mean the adaptation was a success.

>>14542715
It belongs to the Macross IP. Macross Delta is an original anime with a new group called Walkure.. Do you get it ?

>>14542631
>>14542597
3-4 days. It's counted as 1 week by oricon anyway and 80% of the sales in the 1st day.

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>>14542766
>It belongs to the Macross IP
Which is split up into various parties. Bandai gets all revenue from the BDs and merchandise since they are distributing them while Flying Dog gets all proceeding from the record sales because they're producing the music, there is not one sole person this money is going to just people who are getting a piece of the pie bit by bit its just that some people will get much larger portions than others or none of all and since Bandai didn't produce or distribute the music for Delta its portion will go as far as ad revenue or share holding which isn't much at all. In short if they were expecting a Love Live size hit with strong BD sales and strong music sales they'll most likely be disappointed (hell they'll be disappointed that it didn't have close to the same impact as Frontier) but since Macross is all about promoting its music it very much did its job and not much else.

Really neither Macrossfags or Gundamfags should be gloating since neither IBO or Delta sold as well as their predecessors from the last decade and pretty much sold the same amount despite having a fixed first volume promotion (IBO half off with a promo code, Delta event raffle ticket) plus they're pretty much owned by the same damn company. So...hooray for Bandai I guess?

>>14542798
>Really neither Macrossfags or Gundamfags should be gloating since neither IBO or Delta sold as well as their predecessors from the last decade
If you know about sales like I am thinking you do, you wouldn't have this as a factor for either franchise as the economic situations are different compared to the 00s, especially something like Macross that has such giant gaps between TV series

Seriously nobody thought Macross would do as well as Frontier as it was a different time, the time where something like blu-rays being a factor at all was considered new and different

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>>14542826
>it was a different time
>economic situations
People are still saying this shit with shows like Love Live! and Osomatsu-san selling over 100k BDs? There is no economic situations preventing these shows from selling big its largely due to the appeal not being there since not that much new people are getting into the franchise compared to 8 years ago. Its obvious that they wanted Delta (with its idol group motfit) and IBO (fujoshi pandering) to be big hits there's nothing you can say to convince me that they scaled back their expectations because Bandai isn't known for doing that and its the main reason Love Live! was such a huge hit because they pandered to EVERYONE. Now this doesn't change the fact that both shows are successful and Japan perusing other ventures beyond buying BDs may have put a dent in their sales but its not a definitive factor given those two outliers exist.

>>14542857
Love live will sell 40-50k this season.

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>>14542872
And that's fucking amazing. The last Gundam TV anime to sell 40k per volume or close to that proximity was the first season 00.It's also making a killing in the music sales better than Delta. This is no big deal at all since Gundam is a 50 billion yen brand and makes most of tits sales through merchandise and Delta is actually doing better than Frontier did in music sales at the same time period so there is profit being made regardless of BD sales not being up to snuff.

>>14542893
>It's also making a killing in the music sales better than Delta.
Aqwhores actually are doing really poor in music so far compared to muses. Their first anime single will probably won't even outsell Delta's.

>>14542910
Not as much as I expected, but I can at least be glad to say that these sales were achieved without any sales doping. So how do these sales compare to the Love Live! Season 2 CD sales (excluding the OP theme which had mobile game serial codes bundled)? In between the 2nd and 3rd insert song singles, so I think Aqours is doing very well considering they only debuted around a year ago.

1st week sales / Cumulative sales / # Weeks Charted / CD Name / Release date
49,099 *63,998 *15 KiRa-KiRa Sensation!/Happy maker! (2期 劇中歌3) 14/07/09
46,069 *67,223 *20 Love wing bell/dancing stars on me! (2期 劇中歌2) 14/06/11
40,710 *61,332 *15 ユメノトビラ (2期 劇中歌1) 14/05/28
45,487 *65,382 *17 どんなときもずっと (2期 ED) 14/05/08

>>14542893
>.It's also making a killing in the music sales better than Delta
Delta is selling more than Love live sunshine for the music sales actually.

>>14542936
I should say "Walkure" and "Aquours."

>>14542857

Why do you keep talking about Bandai like they're the main production company? Bandai are sponsoring the production of Delta, but Satelight are the main studio and the ones who'll be looking to it for profit most, not Bandai.

>>14542952
>Bandai are sponsoring the production of Delta, but Satelight are the main studio and the ones who'll be looking to it for profit most, not Bandai.
Wrong on both accounts dumbass.

>>14542952
Bandai OWNS Macross dumbass. Satelight is just the studio that animates it and they get as much "profits" as Sunrise gets from Gundam; none, They're just a contract studio taking over from Studio Nue they don't actually own the franchise.

>>14542936
>>14542910
Walkure's first single sold 59k. The Aqours single sold 4k7k in its first few days, it'll surpass it since its on track like the other single.

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>>14542952
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandai_Visual
>Macross Delta (マクロスΔ) (April 2016–September 2016) (TV animation) (Satelight) (Broadcaster: Tokyo MX)

>>14542974
Same for Delta and its album >>14541442
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2016-07-25/

>>14542998
>Same for Delta
The Delta single has already dropped off,it'll be at 70k by the end of year at this rate. Aquors is 47k and climbing also its album hasn';t been released yet

>>14541442
Delta is good but not great so I guess the sales make sense.
Don't want to reinforce any poor behavior.

>>14542236
hopefully kawamori either sudokus himself or hands off the franchise to someone else.

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>>14543017
>Delta is good

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>>14543035
>Delta is not good

>>14543029
He'd sooner just have his health deteriorate from all the drugs he smokes.

>>14543017
>Delta is good but not great so I guess the sales make sense.
Delta is good for the musics and the mecha's design of the Draken III, at least for me. Howerver, the story is week. Everything feels kind of empty of interesting twists, simpleton in plot and it's too straightforward, especially for something that's come 8 years later the last one.


>>14543029
He won't, 9999 for the 1st BD is pretty good, especially in this season.

He already planned a TV series of 26 episodes for the next year "Shoji Kawamori's "THE NEXT" Anime Project." Here is the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np0gCP-YNpQ

Full Plot here: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/07/05/preview-teases-shoji-kawamoris-the-next-anime-project

>I am going to challenge to create a piece of entertainment that no one has ever seen by combining the “coolest” forefront technologies and the drive of human’s burning souls, just like how the species evolved.

heh.

>>14543091
I should've add that some characters are actually interesting but the plot revolving around them is meh.

>>14543091
>. Everything feels kind of empty of interesting twists, simpleton in plot and it's too straightforward
Considering some of the mecha that have come out recently that doesn't sound like a negative, especially "empty of interesting twists" because that one in particular has been awful for years now on mecha series

It should be noted that the Walkure Attack album came with an event ticket as well.

its not like macross makes bank from music among other things but no lets just conjecture from BD sales data

>>14543101
And?

>>14542966
That's wrong sunrise owns gundam and big west owns macross. Bandai has to pay sunrise a licensing fee for every gundam product made.

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>>14543007
>The Delta single has already dropped off,it'll be at 70k by the end of year at this rate.
It'll probably do better than Triangular (pic related) which sold 90k at the end.

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>>14543121
>sunrise owns gundam and big west owns macross.

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>>14543135
>sales after 3 years

>>14543121
Sunrise hasn't own Gundam for 25 years now. Bandai bought the franchise around the time Victory came out.

Big West is just a sponsor for the franchise they don't own ot.

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>14543108
And its inflated because of it.

>>14543107
So why boher release it on BD?

>>14543156
>So why boher release it on BD?
This has to be bait

That's like asking why release Gundam on BD when they make money from Gunpla or why release toku on disc when it solely lives on toy sales, or really any toyetic-based production at all

>>14543147
>sales after 3 years
The reason why Frontier's OST1 has 180,000 sales isn't because of it's initial run but because it's the counted sales after a similar 3 years

>>14543135
Where did you get this chart

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>>14543143
>>14543151
Do you know what © means?
I would think /m/ would be the most knowledgeable place.

>>14543166
Toku gets released on Box sets. They don't expect huge profit margins from them on DVD because the audience is too young and only hardcores give a shit. They obvious expected Delta to sell a lot because IT CAME WITH A FUCKING EVENT TICKET

>>14543174
That doesn't have anything to do with the quoted post about how Macross makes bank from things as well BD sales but sure, let's start going in all caps

>>14543151
Sunrise owns gundam.

When namco and bandai merged in the 2000s, sunrise was no longer under bandai, but equal to them. The toy company bandai is just another company within the giant conglomerate now and has no control over the previous companies it may have aquired. Proof is in the merchandise. It says copytight sunrise. Not Bandai.

>>14543173
see
>>14542987
You are fucking wrong. Stop posting. Bandai owns the franchise not Satalight

>>14543168
Wiki sales. Do you need something?


>>14543156
>And its inflated because of it.
Then why the BD haven't sold more? Only 300 of the 2300~2400 capacity of the concert venue are reserved for CD 1st album buyers while the others 2000 are for the BD/dvd. It's kind of weird.

>>14543179
So why bother releasing it on BD if itsmain profits came from music dumbfuck

>>14543174
>They obvious expected Delta to sell a lot because IT CAME WITH A FUCKING EVENT TICKET

1. It's a Raffle ticket, not event ticket
2. Every anime BD has an event ticket nowadays and something bonus to push people to buy them

>>14543173
>>14543180
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=18

>>14543186
>itsmain profits came from music
It's that there's multiple profits not just one source. There's also toys and merchandise too. BDs are just another one

>>14543182
>Then why the BD haven't sold more?
Because the show is shit
>>14543187
>1. It's a Raffle ticket, not event ticket
There's no difference between the two
>2. Every anime BD has an event ticket nowadays and something bonus to push people to buy them
Which is why this season has such shitty sales and huge dropoff afters volume 1

>It's an /m/ tries to talk sales thread

You idiots go through this every season there's a major release. Keep this shit on /a/ where they actually shitpost about it.

>>14543205
>Because the show is shit
Opinion discarded.

You haven't answered my question which was about the lottery ticket.

>>14543181
>List of licensed anime
Are you retarded? It's obvious you don't know what it means and how copyright works.
The fact that Bandai licensed Delta means very little to us. We have zero knowledge about details of that license and how much did they pay, is it fixed price or royalty based, etc. But it's license for Delta anime and probably its merchandise/derivaties, they didn't buy the whole fucking Macross copyright. The owner of IP is still BigWest and Bandai doesn't own fucking Macross.

>>14543194
>Macross Delta (TV) : Production
Do you know what production means? Where does it say Bandai is fucking owner? Please kill yourself.

>>14543220
Okay. I'm not buying several copies of a shit series just to get an application for a raffle.

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>>14543229
>This post

>>14543239
You've more chance with the BD idiot.

Big West/Studio Nue/Bandai own Macross.

>>14543229
What the fuck are you talking about? Bandai didn't license anything sine they already own it. Bandai Visual distributes the BDs and DVDs. Bandai is incharge of pushing the merchandise. THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF THE LICENSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BUY IT.

Okay what the fuck are you people even arguing about anymore? All of you fuckers need to stop. It's not an overwhelming success but it's not a bomb either and the music sales are good. These are facts. None of you even really care who gets the money either because it's not like you ever talk about these production companies outside of shitting on them in the first place.

Oh yeah, the threads about Bandai's business practices and the intricacies of Flying Dog vs. B.V. are totally relevant on this board. Give me a fucking break. You're all embarrassing yourselves.

>>14543270
Read this before you kill yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License

Bandai is basically Japanese Harmony Gold. It can distribute anime because it bought Delta distribution license from BigWest. They can sell merchandise because they bought delta license from BigWest. It's probably DELTA only license. It's LICENSE only. License on its own doesn't give Bandai ownership of IP.
And if tomorrow BigWest decides to make Macross Sigma it wouldn't need to ask any permission from Bandai. Because BigWest owns Macross IP.
Bandai is basically Japanese Harmony Gold for Macross.
The fucking © explicitly specifies who owns the fucking copyright. Seriously, it's like saying Columbia Pictures owns Spiderman because they distributed movies.

I can't believe there are people so fucking retarded in /m/. No, seriously, read at least one fucking article about copyright before shitting this board with your retarded presence.

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>>14543305
>Bandai is basically Japanese Harmony Gold.
Don't even need to read the rest of this post

>>14543314
>I posted another macro so now I don't need to kill myself for my stupidity.
No, seriously this discussion should have ended on >>14543173 image. If someone is too retarded to understand it then there is no hope left for him.

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>>14543305
>Bandai is basically Japanese Harmony Gold

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>>14543329

>>14543329
>>14543266

>>14543363
Studio Nue doesn't exist anymore. So most likely they sold its copyright share to BigWest. That's why BigWest is the only one after © in >>14543173.
And I haven't seen a single link proving that Bandai (co-)owns Macross IP though. Production and distribution license =/= property right. >>14543336 and >>14543340 are fucking imbeciles.

>>14543376
http://www.b-ch.com/ttl/index.php?ttl_c=1104

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>>14543407
So what exactly am I missing? It's says "© 1982 Big West" there too.

No, seriously does anyone here know the difference between copyright and distribution/streaming license?

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>>14543427
Bandai own a part of Macross.

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Like for example here, screenshot from Dark Souls 3 game.
© Banda Namco.
They not only produce/dsitribute the game they also own the fucking copyright. They can make DS4, DS5, turn all characters into little girls, add mechas, rape it to the ground because they own Dark Souls IP.

But in case of Macross Delta they only can sell anime, merchandise, Delta related games and other stuff. And probably it gets majority of profits (if not all) from those sales according to license agreements. But Big West can switch production company to any other for their next Macros instalment.

>>14543441
>part of Macross
Yeah, games. They created the games so they own the game as in their concept, gameplay, and other assets. It could be that Bandai even owns new characters from Macross 30 too.

>>14543460
>But Big West can switch production company to any other for their next Macros installment.
No they can't and they haven't for the past 34 years now. All you've been doing up to this point is spouting bullshit

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>>14543376
>And I haven't seen a single link proving that Bandai (co-)owns Macross IP though
see
>>14543194
>>14542987
We're dealing with a special one today here folks

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>A company that distributions all aspects of the franchise and is apart of the production committee of every entry in the franchise doesn't own it.

>>14543473
>and they haven't for the past 34 years now.
Because why would they?
Again, please give me a single link that says that Bandai owns Macross copyright.
Also do you already forgot that Japanese court in early 2000s which stated that Macross IP belongs to Studio Nue and BigWest? It's all on wiki and Bandai was never mentioned there.

>>14543480
Fucking imbecile. I even gave you links to read >>14543305
License =/= copyright. It's two completely different things.
No seriously, you are the most retarded person I have seen here this month.

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>>14543496

>>14543489
>A company that distributions all aspects of the franchise
Like music, right? Oh wait, that's Flying Dog.
Again, license =/= copyright. People are really illiberal here.

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>>14543499

>>14543498
>Also do you already forgot that Japanese court in early 2000s which stated that Macross IP belongs to Studio Nue and BigWest?
Cool horseshit bro

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>>14543504
>Char in the wrong series

>>14543498
>License =/= copyright
Are you just gonna continue being stupid? Because the Japanese Harmony Gold line is about the dumbest shit I've heard this year.

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>>14543509
>>14543507
not him but BigWest own Macross. Bandai is part of the production and destribute it.

>>14543507
著作権
製作会社のタツノコプロが、広告代理店のビックウエストと企画のスタジオぬえを相手取り、著作権はタツノコプロにあると主張して訴訟を起こした。経済的責任(制作費の支出)を担ったことが評価されて、映画の著作物としての権利はタツノコプロが所有すると認められた[22]。

>>14543515
>BigWest own Macross. Bandai is part of the production and destribute it.
No Bandai owns Macross. Big West doesn't distribute the merchandise and DVDs and music.

>>14543522
>I can't read moon
Just stop

>>14543522
I fucked up with copy paste
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%B6%85%E6%99%82%E7%A9%BA%E8%A6%81%E5%A1%9E%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9#.E6.A8.A9.E5.88.A9.E5.95.8F.E9.A1.8C
>著作権
>製作会社のタツノコプロが、広告代理店のビックウエストと企画のスタジオぬえを相手取り、著作権はタツノコプロにあると主張して訴訟を起こした。経済的責任(制作費の支出)を担ったことが評価されて、映画の著作物としての権利はタツノコプロが所有すると認められた[22]。
>図柄(デザイン)
>本作のキャラクターデザインとメカニックデザインを巡る裁判も起きている。今度は、ビックウエストとスタジオぬえが共同して、タツノコプロを訴えるという攻守が逆転した裁判だった。こちらはタツノコプロが敗訴し、キャラクターデザインとメカニックデザインはビックウエストとスタジオぬえの共有であるとの判決が出た[23]。
For idiots like >>14543530 who can't read moon. Tatsunoko filled lawsuit against Nue and BigWest (and not Bandai) that it owns part of Macross copyright. But they lost. Court said that characters and everything belongs to Nue and Big West.

Bandai doesn't have to re-license an IP they own that makes no fucking sense. If all likeness of a product is being distribute by one sole comnpany then they own its likeness.

>>14543537
>今井科学株式会社
And that settles that.

>>14543524
>Big West doesn't distribute the merchandise and DVDs and music.
Distribution/merchandise license =/= copyright. Read the fucking wiki.
I wonder how many times do I need to repeat it.

I already told this example. Columbia pictures distributes Spiderman movie. Does that mean it owns the fucking Spiderman?

>>14543538
>If all likeness of a product is being distribute by one sole comnpany then they own its likeness.
Yet there is not a single mention of that. Besides why don't they put a single © to protect its property like for example on that screenshot >>14543460.

>>14543550
>Distribution/merchandise license =/= copyright.
You just keep being stupid

>>14543545
Settles what? It's about fucking toys. They fucking bought the fucking license. License =/= copyright.

>>14543550
So according to this retard Disney doesn't own Marvel

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>Delta sold during the first week as much as G-Reco V1 total sales

G-Traiwrecko fags BTFO

Tominofags BTFO

>>14543553
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License

>>14543558
This is the most retarded conclusion I could imagine.

>Columbia Pictures distributes Spiderman movie.
>Columbia Pictures pictures doesn't own Spiderman IP.
>Marvel owns Spiderman.
>Disney is parent company of Marvel and thus owns Spiderman.

>Bandai Visual distributes Macross anime.
>Bandai Visual doesn't own Macross IP.
>Big West owns Macross.
>Bandai is not BigWest's parent company so no analogue here.

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>>14543562
G-Reco sold 10k in its first week retard. And its not even the right number its a guesstimate. Also G-Reco didn't have an event ticket.

>mfw Delta is predicted to drop more than half in the 2nd volume.

Good luck with your cyberpunk bullshit. It'll probably be as well received as Nobunga The Fool

>>14543566
>>14543194
>>14542987

>>14543588
Delta sold 9999 in 3 days.
Also event ticket =/= raffle ticket.

>>14543168
>Where did you get this chart
He got it from Generasia. It's a j-pop wiki, usually posts detailed sales data for some of the bigger artists.

>>14543502
Here's a (you) since I feel sorry for dumb people like you

>>14543588
>G-Reco sold 10k in its first week
It didn't retard, those are total sales.

>>14543591
>he still links list of production
Fucking imbecile.

>本作のキャラクターデザインとメカニックデザインを巡る裁判も起きている。今度は、ビックウエストとスタジオぬえが共同して、タツノコプロを訴えるという攻守が逆転した裁判だった。こちらはタツノコプロが敗訴し、キャラクターデザインとメカニックデザインはビックウエストとスタジオぬえの共有であるとの判決が出た[23]。
It says right here who is the owner of copyright.

>>14543596
>Delta sold 9999 in 3 days.
4. It was solicited on the 21st.

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>>14543608
not this bullshit again.

>>14543604
That says nothing about who owns the copyright dumbass. Learn to read moon

>>14543600
Another retard.
https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/06/understanding-copyright-and-licenses/

>>14543588
>G-Reco sold 10k in its first week
Source or bullshit.

>>14543614
And another retard.
>キャラクターデザインとメカニックデザインはビックウエストとスタジオぬえの共有であるとの判決が出た[23]。
>According to court ruling character and mechanical design belongs to Big West and Nue.

>>14543601
That's not the total sales dumbass that's a guesstimate. We don';t actually know how much G-Reco v1 has sold because oricon never actually fixed its error and somaenathing's number is only based on sound scan number's foirst week sales.

Wrong again dumbass

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>>14543622
>character and mechanical design

>>14543614
>>14543622
Stop this already.

Here is the copyright holders: http://macross.jp/

>©'82,'84,'92,'94,'97,'02 BW ©'07 BW/MFP・M ©'09,'11 BW/MFP ©'12 BW/MFB7P ©'15 BW/MDP

>>14543625
And somaenathing's numbers are more accurate than your 'V1 sold 10k in its first week, source my ass'. So yeah, fuck off. G-Rektard.

>>14543615
Try reading the link next time.

>>14543634
also this: http://www.macross.co.jp/
>Big west

>>14543634
I'm so stupid for not checking main site right from the start. Thank you, anon.
BW = Big West.
MFP = Macross Frontier Production
MDP = Macross Delta Production

At least 3 idiots here got BTFO.

>>14543615
>>14543622
Another retard
http://v-storage.bandaivisual.co.jp/catalog/44441/

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>>14543634
>>14543644
>>14543643
>Bandai Visual

Guess you better shut the fuck up now

>>14543645
That's because they're part of the production and they destribute it. Their website is ont the official website too.

The copyright belogs to bigwest.

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>>14543645
Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>14543644
>MFP = Macross Frontier Production
>MDP = Macross Delta Production
Those are the committee names retard

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>>14543655
>he still don't get it.

>>14543637
>And somaenathing's numbers are more accurate than your 'V1 sold 10k in its first wee
Except people got that number directly from him. That's not the total.

>>14543659
>>14543656
>>14543663
>I-I-I-I-I-I was just pretending to be retarded.

Give it a rest already

>>14543664
BD(DVD) BD(DVD)
01巻 3,864(*,837) 4,487(*,***) 14.12.25 ※合計 5,324枚
02巻 7,322(*,812) 7,990(*,***) 15.01.28 ※合計 8,802枚
03巻 6,105(*,627) 7,464(*,***) 15.02.20 ※合計 8,091枚
04巻 6,401(*,710) 6,981(*,***) 15.03.27 ※合計 7,691枚
05巻 6,179(*,691) 6,903(*,***) 15.04.24 ※合計 7,594枚
06巻 6,293(*,717) 6,631(*,***) 15.05.27 ※合計 7,348枚
07巻 5,890(*,662) 6,444(*,***) 15.06.26 ※合計 7,106枚
08巻 5,658(*,647) 6,328(*,***) 15.07.24 ※合計 6,975枚
09巻 6,300(*,712) 6,694(*,***) 15.08.26 ※合計 7,406枚

sold 4k copies in the 1st week.

>>14543656
>Their website is ont the official website too.
Exceot it is. the Macroo websit leads directly into Bandai Visual. You lose.

>>14543660
Yes, that's the name of production committees. And? Macross Delta one is after the slash in copyright notice in >>14543659 and >>14543173.
We have no idea who actually is part of this entity so we can ignore them.

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>>14543669
Macross is owned by Big west.

Bandai destribute it and is part of the production. Same for Flying dog. Why can't you understand?

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>>14543674
>01巻 3,864(*,837) 4,487(*,***) 14.12.25 ※合計 5,324枚
>02巻 7,322(*,812) 7,990(*,***) 15.01.28 ※合計 8,802枚
Now comes the part where you explain this.

>>14543677
The fact that you don't even know what production committees are is proof enough that you're an idiot.

>>14543685
We don't have numbers for G-Reco for the 1st week, OK?
Let's wait a month and compare 2nd volumes.
Are you happy now?

>>14543685
I don't know buut Gundam G sold like that in the 1st week:
14. *3,864 *3,864 Gundam: G no Reconguista Vol.1 Special Limited Edition
23. *,837 ***,837 Gundam: G no Reconguista Vol.1 Regular Edition

It reached 10k after several weeks.

>>14543679
>Macross is owned by Big west.
Not this shit again

>>14543674
>G Reco v2 sells 7322/812, total 8,134.
That definitely proves the v1 screw-up. Whether it was Amazon or Oricon, someone didn’t report/count the Amazon edition of v1 to Oricon. Soundscan *did* count it, and so the Oricon 3,884 v1wk1 BDs have been replaced with the Soundscan 8,565 v1wk1 BDs. Soundscan is usually higher than Oricon by about 10%, but I figure that’s offset by using the lower Oricon number for wk2+. Should all even out more or less. v1 total is now 10,489. Still waaaaaaaay overestimated but only “waaaaaaaay” instead of “HOLYSHITWHAT”.
www.someanithing.com/2834

>>14543696
Did you miss the whole thread with ton of links and every one says Big West and not a single one says Bandai?

>>14543696
Macross is owned by BIG WEST
Gundam is owned by Sunrise: http://www.gundam.jp/movie/index.html
>© 創通・サンライズ
>© Sotsu Sunrise

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>>14543692
>>14543695
>Jumping from 3k sales to 10k after a month

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>>14543692
>>14543695
see
>>14543705
The numbers didn't come from Oricon and thetital amount is based on Sound scan's first week BD sales and DVD sales togeter. It sold over 10k in its first week.

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>>14543717
Here is the source for >>14543695
: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1333525

>>14543689
I'm sure I know it's better than you. But it's Delta only production committee, it's not realted to Macross IP in general. Its rights doesn't go beyond Delta and Delta's derivatives. And we have no idea what part of Macross Delta they own and how they share it between all members. Bandai isn't sole sponsor of Delta.

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>>14543713
>>14543707

>Bandai Visual

>>14543721
see >>14543724
>: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1333525
>2014/12/30 [Sales Ranking] Oricon Weekly BD/DVD for Dec 22~28 (Update 01/09 - Full List)
>Oricon
>14. *3,864 *3,864 Gundam: G no Reconguista Vol.1 Special Limited Edition
>23. *,837 ***,837 Gundam: G no Reconguista Vol.1 Regular Edition

>>14543721
I was just saying since those are 2 different sources we can't directly compare numbers. Let's just wait a month for vol 2. Or for monthly total sales.

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>>14543724
Yeah that's Oricon's numbers which were proven false here>>14543705 and oricon had fucked up in the past as well. Oriocn never fixed their error and somanithing's number is based on sounscan because it counted the Amazon edition.

>>14543741
Gundam: G no Reconguista never reached 10k in its week.

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>>14543733
>Oricon
>>14543705
>That definitely proves the v1 screw-up. Whether it was Amazon or Oricon, someone didn’t report/count the Amazon edition of v1 to Oricon. Soundscan *did* count it, and so the Oricon 3,884 v1wk1 BDs have been replaced with the Soundscan 8,565 v1wk1 BDs

>>14543748
1st*

>>14543748
It did though. The number Oricon reported is incorrect

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>>14543750
Nice try.

>>14543748
>Gundam: G no Reconguista never reached 10k in its week.
The link he provided just proved that it did. Using oricon as a source isn't going to work because they fucked up.

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>>14543754
Proving you wrong? But yeah I'm sure its plausible for a serious to gain 7k sales in one month

>>14543758
That's because oricon doesn't cover all the sales. It's the same for Delta.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=17762'

>Production:
>Bandai Visual
>Big West

>>14543766
It's not. Delta more or less sold exactly what it was predicted to sell.

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>>14543762
That doesn't mean G reached 10k in its 1st week.

>>14543770
I thought you finally calmed down

>Production
It's embarrassing at this point.

>>14543770

Not that guy, but why are you putting what is essentially a foreign fansite above the copyright notification on the show itself?

>>14543770
BTFO
T
F
O

>>14543776
>Delta more or less sold exactly what it was predicted to sell.
The prediction was 13.8K in its first week so it's not really "more or less."

>Macross Delta The new series is being sponsored by Big West Advertising and Bandai Visual.

>>14543793
>sponsored
Since when does sponsor become owner of copyright?

>>14543787
It links to the same fucking site

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>>14543777
Because we don't know how much it sold in its first week because both sources are fucked.

>>14543770
Do you know what production means? It doesn't necessarily mean you own IP. Reffer to example with Columbia Pictures and Spiderman.

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>>14543809
Vol.2 of Delta is going to drop so G will probably be better.

There is the still the music though.

>>14543803

I don't see any links to external websites on that page. Putting that aside though, even if it linked directly from that page to Bandai Visuals website, that's only a link ANN put on the page themselves. It's not actually proof of anything. A copyright notice on the show itself is proof who owns it, since they put their mark on it when the were making it. And that counts more than any link anywhere, no matter how official you think it is. It's why Sunrise put their mark all over every episode of Gundam.

>>14543838
People say that it will drop hard, but if you check v1 stalker estimates vs v2 stalker estimates then you'll see drop is less than 20%. It's something on the level of other anime shows.

>>14543852
>http://rankstker.net/index2.cgi?smd=title&tn=+%83%7D%83N%83%8D%83X%83%A2+
***,757位 (**1,970pt) [*,**7予約] 2016年08月26日 【Amazon.co.jp限定】 マクロスΔ 02 [Macross Delta 02] (特装限定版) (全巻購入特典:「新規描き下ろしイラスト使用 A4特製フレーム」引換シリアルコード付) [Blu-ray]
*36,474位 (***,217pt) [*,**0予約] 2016年08月26日 【Amazon.co.jp限定】 マクロスΔ 02 (特装限定版) (全巻購入特典:「新規描き下ろしイラスト使用 A4特製フレーム」引換シリアルコード付) [DVD]
***,*98位 (**4,595pt) [*,*13予約] 2016年08月26日 マクロスΔ 02 [Macross Delta 02] (特装限定版) [Blu-ray]
**3,404位 (***,737pt) [*,**1予約] 2016年08月26日 マクロスΔ 02 (特装限定版) [DVD]

6-7k

>>14543888
That's current points, but it has a whole month until release to gain more points. You need to add 最終予測累積ポイント.

2678 + 279 + 7154 + 1106 = 11,217 (this number obviously can increase or decrease every day since it's prediction)
Against volume 1 final estimate of 13,031.
It's 14% drop.

>>14543809
>>Because we don't know how much it sold in its first week
But if you don't know how much it sold in its first week and you keep insisting on that, why are are you so sure it reached 10k? Like maybe it was 8 or 9k? Wouldn't that make just as much sense as a consistent growth toward it's final number? The fact is that there isn't a single actual source that says that it sold 10k in its first week

>>14543441
Publisher doesn't mean they own it you retard.

>>14543905
You're talking out your ass. Also volume 2 has no event ticket offer this time around and the staler estimates for volume 1 were also off.

>>14543833
So Big West doesn't own Macross now. Got ya!
>>14543844
Then you didn't check the link dumbass and you;re still fucking wrong

>>14543989
The first fucking thing I said is that its a guesstimate. I ask you to explain why are you using Oirocn's data when they obviously fucked up since volume 1's sales is 3k lower han volume 2 and since G-Reco didn't have an event ticket offer it makes no sense for that to happen. Someanithing already explained that he added the sound scan numbers to the DVD amount which came out to 10k for the first week.

>>14541442
Only sold 9999 BD? Does it mean only 9.999?

Are those numbers good or bad?

>>14544079

Again, a link on that site even if there is one doesn't prove anything since all it means is that ANN put a link to Bandai Visual's site on the page. Which doesn't mean anything. Why do you think their information is worth more than the copyright notice placed directly on every episode of the show in question?

How much did frontier sell?

>>14544096
>Only sold 9999 BD
That's the combined numbers for BD and DVD
>Are those numbers good or bad?
Frontier sold over 40k in its first week

>>14544103
>It doesn't mean anything because I say so

Okay

>>14544110
マクロスFが強すぎたか

○マクロスF(フロンティア)【全9巻】
巻数 初動 2週計 累計 発売日
DVD(BD) DVD(BD) DVD(BD)
01巻 17,548(**,***) 22,183(**,***) 30,239(34,742) 08.07.25 ※合計 64,981枚
02巻 15,488(**,***) 18,941(**,***) 22,393(27,137) 08.09.26 ※合計 49,530枚
03巻 14,828(**,***) 18,637(**,***) 21,429(25,479) 08.10.24 ※合計 46,908枚
04巻 12,218(**,***) 17,426(**,***) 19,836(22,731) 08.11.21 ※合計 42,567枚
05巻 12,640(**,***) **,***(**,***) 19,654(25,295) 08.12.19 ※合計 44,949枚
06巻 13,657(**,***) 17,261(**,***) 18,907(23,734) 09.01.23 ※合計 42,641枚
07巻 12,368(**,***) 16,846(**,***) 18,255(23,381) 09.02.20 ※合計 41,636枚
08巻 13,655(**,***) 16,068(**,***) 17,575(21,650) 09.03.27 ※合計 39,225枚
09巻 14,349(**,***) 17,477(**,***) 19,305(23,579) 09.04.24 ※合計 42,884枚

>>14544113
9999*60 =~ 600000

Do they pay the japanese animators with peanuts?

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>>14544090
>still trying
G reco didn't reach 10k in its 1st week.

>>14544096
It's good.

>>14544116

> ANN saying something means more than the copyright information in the thing itself

Okay

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>>14544137
>G reco didn't reach 10k in its 1st week.
It did. Fell free to prove me wrong though. Oh wait you can't.

>>14544135
>Macross Delta v1 sells 8742/1257, total 9,999.

>>14544158
You literally can't prove otherwise

>>14544150
>Copyright information links to Bandai Visual
>Ann direct information leads to Bandai Visual
>This means its own by Big West

Okay

>>14544172

And again you're putting their word above the information included in every episode of the show. And I want to know why you think their word on the matter means more than the creators?

>>14544171
Of course I can, its obvious that Oricon fucked up and sound scan reported that its total was over 10k in its first place when adding BD and DVD numbers so I don't get why you;re so adamant about this.

>>14544189
And you;re ignnroing virtually every piece of info that has Bandai Visual next to it.

>>14544227

Because the copyright information included in the episodes of the show itself means more than a game that has Bandai's name on it (which it's reasonable to suppose could be because they made the game) or a family run site saying they do. So again, I want to know why you think the actual show wouldn't include that information if it was true?

>>14544247

> family

Fan even, damn you auto correct.

>>14544247
>than a game
They distrbute the fucking BD/DVDs for the fucking franchise as well as make the fucking merchandise.

>>14544288

And that doesn't mean they own it, only that they're the distributor. They might be more, but distributing the show isn't a way to prove that. Which is why I keep asking why you think they're not included in copyright information within the show itself if they own the show.

>>14544211
I'm adamant because you can't provide a number at all that you either don't think is wrong or fake. You can't give a final number other than the one that has been released so on that note how can you yourself be so adamant about it if you are also saying it was a messup. Like can you even say what the specific final number even endedup being other than the reported 10,536? With your logic it could have been 16k or something since "we just don't know but I know it's this"

>>14544172
Anon ANN no matter how important it thinks itself to be isn't official, and it can be wrong.

Whenever a show is owned by a company that company will put their mark on it. If you don't see the mark on the show itself then that means that they don't own it.

>>14544354
>I'm adamant because you can't provide a number at all
But he did. Soneanithing confirmed that G-Reco sold 8k BDs in its first week through soundscan and he added the DVDs to it. You're fighting a losing battle here

>>14545673
It's really too bad that soundscan no longer exists.

>>14541442
What the fuck is the point of these types of threads?

>>14547476
See >>14541655

>>14547483
I mean even on /a/ though, even after all these years I still don't get the fucking point of sales threads

>>14547496
People like using disc sales to measure a toy centric (or CD centric in this case) success.

Reasons to shitpost in other words.

>>14547496
Lets you know how well something is doing, which I think is nice to know, except most of the time it's MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS BECAUSE YOUR WAIFU A SHIIIIT

>>14542583
Oh lol.

>>14547563
>>14547550
Alright I guess. The only time I ever thought that it would be relevant would be in determining if a show has a chance to have another season or if shit gets fucked (see Legend of Legendary Heroes)

But shitposting makes more sense.

>>14541442
Who cares?

>>14547859

I do...poorfag.

>>14542236
Kawamori is a retard. He should quit directing and stick to designing cool mecha.

>>14543091
Wanna bet THE NEXT will be CGIshit?

>>14543770
Kindly kill yourself. You're a waste of oxygen.

>>14544079
You have to be trolling, because no one can seriously be this fucking stupid.

>>14544288
Good God, kill yourself you fucking idiot. Holy fuck, sales threads really do bring out the dumb in people.

>>14549189
It's made by Satellight, the mecha will be CGI shit.

>>14543504
is that a VF-25?

Game: http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/325/1325728/#eid1325892

>>14553581
Nope, a 27.

>>14554176
so the 27 went into production outside Galaxy then?

>>14541469
OP is probably an /a/ regular.